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PunkItUp
04-29-2009, 09:27 PM
This is something I hear said time and time again. Yet having never been to another country (except Mexico and thats a swine flu infested sewer) i wouldn't really know

I learned about other countries in school, have seen them on tv and movies, read about them in the papers, hear about them in the news, and have known few people from other countries. Hell, I even work with a couple. And while they still say they love their own country and its the best place...well... they live HERE. So go figure...

We have people from all over the world in this forum. And people who have traveled. In your estimation is American the BEST country in the world...and if not why not and which is better?

http://i42.tinypic.com/10xf3pd.jpg

Ok then

GorgeousGabe
04-29-2009, 09:27 PM
What a stupid ****ing question

horseypie
04-29-2009, 09:28 PM
australia is

PunkItUp
04-29-2009, 09:29 PM
Australia is so far down under its hardly on the map. may as well be Mars

Pastorius
04-29-2009, 09:30 PM
america is not the best country because of excessive greed and inbred retards

and loads of fat people

and an unhealthy consumer lifestyle

and wars for oil

and unwanted world policing

and the fat thing again

Cesar
04-29-2009, 09:46 PM
America is composed of 35 sovereign countries and some territories belonging to European countries and USA.

NortherlyNanook
04-29-2009, 10:00 PM
you know what he meant stfu

Smokey D
04-29-2009, 10:02 PM
America is composed of 35 sovereign countries and some territories belonging to European countries and USA.

In America we speak American and America means the USA.

Gattsu347
04-29-2009, 10:04 PM
my weiner is a sovereign nation and it is the best


lots of resources and space

my nuts succeeded fro mthe union and formed their own country where being harry is cool

horseypie
04-29-2009, 10:07 PM
Australia is so far down under its hardly on the map. may as well be Mars

did your government just give everyone $900 spending money? i dont think so

gmoneyguy
04-29-2009, 10:09 PM
america is not the best country because of excessive greed and inbred retards

whoa buddy we're not austria

die of starvation
04-29-2009, 10:15 PM
of course america is the greatest country in the world wat a dumb question

RouteOne
04-29-2009, 10:24 PM
Tell me, threadstarter, does any other country have

http://i41.tinypic.com/eg3bt4.jpg




I rest my case.

die of starvation
04-29-2009, 10:31 PM
mr ron dont be a cunt

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-29-2009, 10:41 PM
america is the greatest best country god has ever given man on the face of the earth

OzzyTornadoII
04-29-2009, 10:53 PM
http://i43.tinypic.com/16a7jmh.jpg

Doop
04-29-2009, 10:54 PM
short answer: no, and if there's any justice in the world the global Islamist movement will bring amerikkka to it's knees.

die of starvation
04-29-2009, 10:56 PM
lol idiot euros so jealous theyre being driven to support islam

die of starvation
04-29-2009, 11:00 PM
on average living conditions in america are worse than some eurocommie countries
but who cares about average
you have to be average or below average for that to matter to you

gmoneyguy
04-29-2009, 11:01 PM
America only sucks because we let the gays be too gay

Doop
04-29-2009, 11:06 PM
lol idiot euros so jealous theyre being driven to support islam

joke's on you, i'm canadian bro.

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-29-2009, 11:06 PM
Their culture just seems a bit more sophisticated to me and more interesting. american cultures way more interesting have you seen the office

gmoneyguy
04-29-2009, 11:07 PM
you still look to the queen as your monarch, so you are by default.

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-29-2009, 11:09 PM
you still look to the queen as your monarch, so you are by default.
uh no

Iskandar
04-29-2009, 11:09 PM
you still look to the queen as your monarch, so you are by default.No.

Doop
04-29-2009, 11:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKbEaZ-Jnws&feature=related
hating amerikkka is a good thing.

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-29-2009, 11:11 PM
short answer: no, and if there's any justice in the world the global Islamist movement will bring amerikkka to it's knees.
not to mention you too

gmoneyguy
04-29-2009, 11:17 PM
yes

JohnXDoe3
04-29-2009, 11:24 PM
did your government just give everyone $900 spending money? i dont think so
oh i think yes, my good man

in the form of tax relief

and every person who is old, blind, or disabled and poor is getting $250!

http://www.ssa.gov/payment/

Chu
04-30-2009, 02:06 AM
I would love to be at MIT or Berkeley. So in that sense yes.

But outside the intellectual community in the US (and even then, I'm only interested in a select few of that community), I've lost touch and don't really know what America offers anymore...

GorgeousGabe
04-30-2009, 02:15 AM
land of the free*, home of the brave1
with an asterix and a footnote
"as long as you behave"

die of starvation
04-30-2009, 02:47 AM
america only sucks because a crackhead hasnt slit guitrguy's throat

Iskandar
04-30-2009, 02:48 AM
The Tway is up at 5 AM. What could this possibly mean.

die of starvation
04-30-2009, 02:49 AM
feel free to speculate the dropper

Iskandar
04-30-2009, 02:51 AM
1) You're an insomniac.
2) You're staying up late because you're bored and would rather post on MX and listen to Lady Gaga than sleep.
3) You're cyberstalking me.

Iskandar
04-30-2009, 03:02 AM
Not incompatible with my suggestions.

die of starvation
04-30-2009, 03:02 AM
well im about to go to sleep ill dream about u the dropper

hismajestythepope
04-30-2009, 03:11 AM
Tell me, threadstarter, does any other country have

http://i41.tinypic.com/eg3bt4.jpg




I rest my case.
mr ron continue winning

you rule

Iskandar
04-30-2009, 03:23 AM
well im about to go to sleep ill dream about u the dropperHot.

Crapdragoon
04-30-2009, 03:37 AM
america america ur so fine , ur so fine u blow my mind, america!!

hismajestythepope
04-30-2009, 03:56 AM
everyone who voted against america is a jealous piece of third world country ****

JohnXDoe3
04-30-2009, 04:05 AM
yeah and in 5 minutes they'll all have swine flu! :lol:

horseypie
04-30-2009, 04:07 AM
oh i think yes, my good man

in the form of tax relief

and every person who is old, blind, or disabled and poor is getting $250!

http://www.ssa.gov/payment/

but everyone (that payed tax) gets $900! not $250 for being old blind or disabled

JohnXDoe3
04-30-2009, 04:10 AM
no i mean everyone who works gets a tax break. 95% of our workforce, at least. the other 5% don't need a tax break :evil:

and as it is the earned income tax credit means our lowest wage workers don't pay income tax, period

plus we are GIVING AWAY $250 to the least among us!

AMERICA, I SING YOUR PRAISES

burning through money just like we always have :smoke:

mph4ever
04-30-2009, 04:28 AM
america is a great country with great people in it

its just that they have leaders who pay no respect to the rest of the world when devising foreign policy but you would want to be an idiot to blame the average american on that

Black Ink
04-30-2009, 04:54 AM
America.

**** yeah.

http://www.foxnews.com/images/root_images/041309_PirateRescue2TXT.jpg

mph4ever
04-30-2009, 05:17 AM
to blame that on the average american

k, thanks

SkaRobotArmy
04-30-2009, 05:58 AM
I don't know about the inbred retard comments... lol. While there are some pockets of idiots in the US, its not like you don't find the same ratio in other countries.
There are definitely some good things about the US, there is a good deal of diversity,democracy(kind of good), and of course the entertainment industry!
Really i would just say california and new york are some of the nicest places to live.
.

yea, but we don't vote those retards into public office.

there are some great things about America but equally as many shitty ones. number one being the arrogance.

better places to live:
canada
new zealand
scandinavia
germany

SkaRobotArmy
04-30-2009, 06:01 AM
better places to live:
canada
new zealand
scandinavia
germany

qft

DBoons Ghost
04-30-2009, 06:14 AM
Arrogant thing is a poor stereotype.

I work off 5th Ave in the "tourist capitol of the world" here in NYC where there are more Euro tourists than anywhere.

I'm tired of the stereotype in which Americans are the most arrogant. It's not true. It's just that Euros are whiny smelly bitches living light years behind other people. They are rude, intolerable and annoying.

I can name and cite many interactions in which I can back up this opinion. Most if not all interactions with eurofags ends up in an obnoxious comment. Some Canadians also fall into this category but I think people aer "standoffish" when they come to NYC because they expect us all to be rude here but we're pretty far from it. Just short, because we don't have time for idiot tourists and their retarded questions. If you cannot figure out NYC in minutes, you're stupid and should go someplace else.

SkaRobotArmy
04-30-2009, 06:22 AM
wtf that whole post was arrogant dickery

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irony

DBoons Ghost
04-30-2009, 06:22 AM
Go to hell dirty Brit.

DBoons Ghost
04-30-2009, 06:23 AM
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irony

Pretty sure he's jokin.

Charlie Chaplin
04-30-2009, 06:40 AM
Marry you for about $20 p/hour I hear is about rock bottom rates... that's a for a used model though =-/

mph4ever
04-30-2009, 06:54 AM
Arrogant thing is a poor stereotype.

I work off 5th Ave in the "tourist capitol of the world" here in NYC where there are more Euro tourists than anywhere.

I'm tired of the stereotype in which Americans are the most arrogant. It's not true. It's just that Euros are whiny smelly bitches living light years behind other people. They are rude, intolerable and annoying.

I can name and cite many interactions in which I can back up this opinion. Most if not all interactions with eurofags ends up in an obnoxious comment. Some Canadians also fall into this category but I think people aer "standoffish" when they come to NYC because they expect us all to be rude here but we're pretty far from it. Just short, because we don't have time for idiot tourists and their retarded questions. If you cannot figure out NYC in minutes, you're stupid and should go someplace else.


you were smoking until late last night, right

any time i have been to nyc they have been the most helpful people ever. wonderful friendly people who couldn't do enough

mph4ever
04-30-2009, 07:01 AM
a dollars a dollar, don't matter what currency you used to buy it

RouteOne
04-30-2009, 07:03 AM
America is awesome mainly because we're awesome

Pastorius
04-30-2009, 07:04 AM
america doesn't have democracy, it has democrublicans and the doomed rest of politics

america sucks

pour your scorn on me, idiotic americans

RouteOne
04-30-2009, 07:09 AM
America is awesome because we have chix

Pastorius
04-30-2009, 07:11 AM
i'm a neo-conservative anarcho-communist

Pastorius
04-30-2009, 07:26 AM
it's the most sensible way to be

it's only the world that causes problems

no world, no problem

DBoons Ghost
04-30-2009, 07:39 AM
I believe everyone is entitled to their opinions about other nations, so long as they are properly informed opinions.

I never comment on life in other countries because how could I? "yeah I was there for a week it sucked, lol" doesn't qualify you to speak on it. I meet all kinds of people and work with all kinds of people from all over the world and a douche is a douche and their country of origin has little to do with it. Either you're a dick or not. It's pretty simple.

PunkItUp
04-30-2009, 07:42 AM
new country: Dicktopia

Pastorius
04-30-2009, 07:48 AM
I believe everyone is entitled to their opinions about other nations, so long as they are properly informed opinions.

I never comment on life in other countries because how could I? "yeah I was there for a week it sucked, lol" doesn't qualify you to speak on it. I meet all kinds of people and work with all kinds of people from all over the world and a douche is a douche and their country of origin has little to do with it. Either you're a dick or not. It's pretty simple.

yeah but be honest, americans are douches to the last

i mean, look at your news networks

DBoons Ghost
04-30-2009, 07:48 AM
you were smoking until late last night, right

any time i have been to nyc they have been the most helpful people ever. wonderful friendly people who couldn't do enough

Sarcasm is dripping from this post! I actually didn't even smoke last night.

mph4ever
04-30-2009, 07:49 AM
Sarcasm is dripping from this post! I actually didn't even smoke last night.


the first line was sarky, the second was from the heart man

DBoons Ghost
04-30-2009, 07:50 AM
yeah but be honest, americans are douches to the last

i mean, look at your news networks

So you're going to judge 300 million people based on newsies?

And you want me to validate the opinion you hold, yet you'd judge us all based on.. news anchors?

I have to say that's pretty funny man. I think you're trolling. If we reverse this it's no different from our perspectives in judgement of anyone else.

spitfirejunky
04-30-2009, 07:52 AM
everyone who voted against america is a jealous piece of third world country ****

1 2 fucking 3

Pastorius
04-30-2009, 08:06 AM
So you're going to judge 300 million people based on newsies?

And you want me to validate the opinion you hold, yet you'd judge us all based on.. news anchors?

I have to say that's pretty funny man. I think you're trolling. If we reverse this it's no different from our perspectives in judgement of anyone else.

bill o'reilly

case closed dboon

Smokey D
04-30-2009, 08:11 AM
yea, but we don't vote those retards into public office.

there are some great things about America but equally as many poopty ones. number one being the arrogance.

better places to live:
canada
new zealand
scandinavia
germany

Why NZ?

Pastorius
04-30-2009, 08:13 AM
I'd live in NZ for the unrivalled natural beauty alone.

Pastorius
04-30-2009, 08:28 AM
not in the same amount of space

SugarCoatedSour
04-30-2009, 08:32 AM
Wow, I know I'm gonna love your posting^

Here's my expert upinion.

America is like an awesome stoner crash pad, it's got everything. It's as if a billion stoners have sat on its couches and lost their pocket lint, bits of change, some cheesies. You sweep your hand over the carpet, and bam there's an old piece of weed. America is the ghost of those who attempted to escape their european obligations.

Too bad you can't escape the taxman, and so instead of settling their own land they share it with the talon nosed claw fisted curly haired little taxman.

Pastorius
04-30-2009, 08:35 AM
thats not how it works

dude you've seen lord of the rings

all NZ

how does it work

Pastorius
04-30-2009, 08:48 AM
clearly false

we don't have snow capped mighty mountains and hot springs and lush dense forests growing on impossible slopes and all that all crammed into the space of a small tent

what about deserts, they have 1 geographical feature for hundreds of thousands of miles - desert

Pastorius
04-30-2009, 09:24 AM
what about the antarctic, that has nothing but snow for ages

i can't believe you're actually trying to argue that new zealand is no more naturally beautiful than anywhere else

that's basically all they've got

RouteOne
04-30-2009, 09:41 AM
bill o'reilly

case closed dboon
bnp lol!

SkaRobotArmy
04-30-2009, 09:44 AM
Why NZ?

i know a bunch of people who have lived there for a time and it sounds generally awesome. i don't have any numbers or anything, just everyone loves it.

Already_Taken
04-30-2009, 09:49 AM
america is not the best country because of excessive greed and inbred retards

and loads of fat people

and an unhealthy consumer lifestyle

and wars for oil

and unwanted world policing

and the fat thing again

funny i've seen a picture of you and you're twice as fat as i am.

SugarCoatedSour
04-30-2009, 09:51 AM
I say don't base yourself off of a stigma. Light Fantastic is a monochromatic retard. New Zealand is beautiful, so is this earth (mostly).

Pastorius
04-30-2009, 09:56 AM
funny i've seen a picture of you and you're twice as fat as i am.

yeah but i'm really quite fat over here, you guyses fat people are absolutely ridiculous

SugarCoatedSour
04-30-2009, 10:06 AM
yeah but i'm really quite fat over here, you guyses fat people are absolutely ridiculous

Hey hey hey!! They're not fat, they're diseased.

Pastorius
04-30-2009, 10:10 AM
i know, they're american

hyuck hyuck hyuck

SugarCoatedSour
04-30-2009, 10:34 AM
Don't remind me of the horrors!

ridethelib
04-30-2009, 10:34 AM
http://manintheceiling.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/eagle_cry_bld.jpg

i lol'd

DBoons Ghost
04-30-2009, 10:59 AM
Gice please God blessed America not your shitty country fat people or not even fatties go to heaven and God is clearly American.

guitarded_chuck
04-30-2009, 11:03 AM
http://westnoble.k12.in.us/hs/website/_notes/CanadianFlag.jpg

Pastorius
04-30-2009, 11:22 AM
http://www.royrowbotham.co.uk/images/welsh_flag.png

We totally win the flag competition.

guitarded_chuck
04-30-2009, 11:23 AM
hey lets choose something to represent our country it should convey how we are as people oh hey man i know how about a ****ing leaf


It's just a flag. We don't give a **** if a flag represents the people or some patriotic bullpoop like the American flag.

uncus_my_son
04-30-2009, 11:25 AM
http://xnepali.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/national_flag_of_nepal.jpg

Led_Zep_Bonham
04-30-2009, 11:44 AM
http://www.purplemoon.com/Stickers/rasta-lion-flag.jpg

RouteOne
04-30-2009, 11:45 AM
A jewish africa lion

Pastorius
04-30-2009, 11:47 AM
ya i mean why not just write we suck dicks on the flag then

cuz thats what you do

that would be the greatest flag ever

welcome to the island of cheap whores - we suck dicks

DBoons Ghost
04-30-2009, 11:48 AM
It's just a flag. We don't give a **** if a flag represents the people or some patriotic bullpoop like the American flag.

How is it patriotic bullshit? 50 stars to represent the states in the union and the 13 stripes representing the first colonies. Seems to make sense to me. I have nothing bad to say about Canada or the flag which represents your country, but I am hard pressed to understand why any comparison would make you insult our flag.

Led_Zep_Bonham
04-30-2009, 11:49 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Flag_of_Czechoslovakia_(bordered).svg/800px-Flag_of_Czechoslovakia_(bordered).svg.png

RouteOne
04-30-2009, 11:49 AM
Europeans have bad hair

RetiredAt21
04-30-2009, 11:51 AM
If you don't like America then you can just geeeeet out.

RouteOne
04-30-2009, 11:52 AM
Europeans are inherently cowards and welfare queens

RouteOne
04-30-2009, 11:52 AM
Europeans are always late with their rent

Pastorius
04-30-2009, 11:53 AM
http://www.royrowbotham.co.uk/images/welsh_flag.png

eat it ron

Led_Zep_Bonham
04-30-2009, 11:55 AM
(Mr. Ron is a euro)

tee




hee

RouteOne
04-30-2009, 11:55 AM
Europeans always forget to clean the hair trap in the shower

DBoons Ghost
04-30-2009, 11:55 AM
The Albanian flag is the best one to me but I cannot find a decent pic of it.

RouteOne
04-30-2009, 11:55 AM
Europeans rip the tags off of mattresses

DBoons Ghost
04-30-2009, 11:56 AM
http://albanianmusic.wikispaces.com/file/view/albania-flag.gif

Led_Zep_Bonham
04-30-2009, 11:56 AM
http://www.freewebs.com/flladi/albanian%20flag.jpg

RouteOne
04-30-2009, 11:57 AM
People in England have coarse manners and are lousy tippers

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-30-2009, 12:02 PM
patriotism is unfounded arrogance

nationalism should only be something that is barely tolerated

by every person

RouteOne
04-30-2009, 12:03 PM
Jordan are you or have you ever been a member of the lolmmunist party

DBoons Ghost
04-30-2009, 12:05 PM
patriotism is unfounded arrogance

nationalism should only be something that is barely tolerated

by every person


Did you get that quote from your libfag college professor?

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-30-2009, 12:05 PM
nah but i am a card carrying memebr of the Paratheo-Anametamystikhood Of Eris Esoteric

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-30-2009, 12:06 PM
Did you get that quote from your libfag college professor?
no i write my posts

RouteOne
04-30-2009, 12:07 PM
nah but i am a card carrying memebr of the Paratheo-Anametamystikhood Of Eris Esoteric
that must be one fancy card

Pastorius
04-30-2009, 12:08 PM
wales is the fattest country in the uk you probably ate all your dragons anyway

there's only 4 though

and we're not as fat as america, so we win

DBoons Ghost
04-30-2009, 12:10 PM
You're not as fat because you guys chase sheep around the fields all day trying to bang them in their humanlike vag.

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-30-2009, 12:10 PM
that must be one fancy card
it's a non-prophet irreligious disorganisation

RouteOne
04-30-2009, 12:13 PM
****ing sheep?

that sounds pretty BAAAAAAAAd! LOL!

Pastorius
04-30-2009, 12:14 PM
better than chasing our cousins round and succeeding in banging them, thereby creating the next generation of sub-human retarded genetic freaks to pour their affection towards a flag

now where's that sheep

Also, I'm on board with the patriotism is retarded thing. Like George Carlin said, "Being proud of being American is like being proud of being 6 foot tall."

Pastorius
04-30-2009, 12:20 PM
that's kind of the point

RouteOne
04-30-2009, 12:21 PM
no patriotism is ok in certain amounts

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-30-2009, 12:23 PM
most people don't allege out of choice and when they do it's pretty much for geographic or economic reasons

george carlin was an american comedian
he wasn't doing a lecture, though he was telling the truth

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-30-2009, 12:24 PM
no patriotism is ok in certain amounts
for what purpose

RouteOne
04-30-2009, 12:25 PM
for what purpose
Sometimes it is needed for unification purposes, and to rally people to a cause. Common identity and so on.

Pastorius
04-30-2009, 12:27 PM
how do you choose to be born in america or have american parents

you can choose to live in america but you can't choose to be american

cue some bullshit definition of nationality that totally makes me look like a dick

RouteOne
04-30-2009, 12:29 PM
patriotism and nationalism sometimes bleed into each other though.

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-30-2009, 12:30 PM
Sometimes it is needed for unification purposes, and to rally people to a cause. Common identity and so on.
social and political action should be done with thought not allegiance
you can give up your nationality whenever you want

and you can gain it without having been born theremissing or ignoring the point

Pastorius
04-30-2009, 12:31 PM
you can give up your nationality whenever you want

and you can gain it without having been born there

i don't equate citizenship with nationality

RouteOne
04-30-2009, 12:32 PM
social and political action should be done with thought not allegiance
politics and political organizations need allegiances in order to function in the first place. A people without a common goal and or identity are lost.

SkaRobotArmy
04-30-2009, 12:35 PM
stick the ****ing flag up your goddamn ***!

guitarded_chuck
04-30-2009, 12:36 PM
patriotism is idiotic arogance

RouteOne
04-30-2009, 12:36 PM
Well yeah, political allegiances can be shaky. I don't really identify with the right or the left, but I do identify with others of the same mindset as I.

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-30-2009, 12:37 PM
politics and political organizations need allegiances in order to function in the first place. A people without a common goal and or identity are lost.
politics and political organizations do not function
A people without a common goal and or identity are lost.the idea of 'a people' or a nation should only be pragmatic to the effect of macro-political economies ie financial economics, technological, and information ecomomies etc. having no faith in the process (the nation) but only the product

guitarded_chuck
04-30-2009, 12:38 PM
i'm not a patriot. my country has flaws in it's politics, as does all others. i have my own politics and beliefs which are seperate from my country's.

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-30-2009, 12:39 PM
like, pride means there is a bias in decision making

Led_Zep_Bonham
04-30-2009, 12:40 PM
Not having a bias also means somebody is telling you what to do, as opposed to having a stern belief to be biased.

Pastorius
04-30-2009, 12:40 PM
well i dont think emmental is a cheese but it still is

if you're born in england, to english parents, but move to america, you're an english person living in america

if you get a green card and pass the citizenship test, you're an english person with american citizenship

anywhere else than the US, people chanting "USA! USA! USA!" is a figure of hate and ridicule

RouteOne
04-30-2009, 12:41 PM
politics and political organizations do not function
the idea of 'a people' or a nation should only be pragmatic to the effect of macro-political economies ie financial economics, technological, and information ecomomies etc. having no faith in the process (the nation) but only the product
How do they not function? They get things done (hopefully). In this they function.


I think you're missing my point. If there is a civilization, and they are united in some sort of identity or cause, they will most likely be more successful than a group of people that have no unifying cause or identity. Once a people are so fractured to the point where they cannot relate to each other then there is either a slow or rapid decline.

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-30-2009, 12:41 PM
i support no beliefs

RouteOne
04-30-2009, 12:42 PM
i support no beliefs
that is a belief in itself.

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-30-2009, 12:43 PM
that is a belief in itself.
exactly

Pastorius
04-30-2009, 12:43 PM
no you're then equally american and english

well that's where we differ in thinking

i bid you farewell on this mental journey

guitarded_chuck
04-30-2009, 12:44 PM
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j288/miller2348/myspace/comments/American_Military_Pride/images/america-military-pride-6.gif

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-30-2009, 12:44 PM
if the american dream is achievement through ability and perspiration then the canadian dream is being lazy and getting free stuff you filthy socialist scum
theres like no difference between americans and canadians

Pastorius
04-30-2009, 12:49 PM
i don't care about laws created to resolve rubbish arguments

in my head, your nationality is where you were born, all else is vanity

guitarded_chuck
04-30-2009, 12:50 PM
if the american dream is achievement through ability and perspiration then the canadian dream is being lazy and getting free stuff you filthy socialist scum

ahhh the american dream

*fantasizes**drools*

Yeah we're just a bunch of lazy, "free stuff" getting socialists up here. Our prime minister is a conservative and we have the 2nd largest oil reserves in the world after Saudi Arabia, and are getting rich off it very fast.

We mostly just sit around talking about Marxism and awaiting that next welfare check, though.

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-30-2009, 12:50 PM
i am saying that nationalism, nations are becoming obsolete technological, cultural, globalist convergance should ideally take precedence over any nationalist hegemony
How do they not function? They get things done (hopefully). In this they function.



its was quick jab ill tell you, but they don't function as much as react
I think you're missing my point. If there is a civilization, and they are united in some sort of identity or cause, they will most likely be more successful than a group of people that have no unifying cause or identity. Once a people are so fractured to the point where they cannot relate to each other then there is either a slow or rapid decline.well my thoughts are just ideas that i think should shape a global consciousness, borders are funny

RouteOne
04-30-2009, 12:53 PM
i am saying that nationalism, nations are becoming obsolete technological, cultural, globalist convergance should ideally take precedence over any nationalist hegemony

its was quick jab ill tell you, but they don't function as much as react
well my thoughts are just ideas that i think should shape a global consciousness, borders are funny
I think it is human nature to erect borders tbh. People like their stuff and they want to keep it safe.

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-30-2009, 12:53 PM
theres like a lot of difference though
hell no not on any significant scale

everything i do is basically american and vice versa

sure for example healthcare is different but theres no difference in effective purpose- on any significant scale

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-30-2009, 12:54 PM
I think it is human nature to erect borders tbh. People like their stuff and they want to keep it safe.
i am saying that nationalism, nations are becoming obsolete technological, cultural, globalist convergance should ideally take precedence over any nationalist hegemony

people can have the same social culture and the same property still

guitarded_chuck
04-30-2009, 12:55 PM
http://www.datejesus.com/patriotism.jpg

RouteOne
04-30-2009, 12:57 PM
i am saying that nationalism, nations are becoming obsolete technological, cultural, globalist convergance should ideally take precedence over any nationalist hegemony

people can have the same social culture and the same property still
Globalism is ultimately bad (IMO) because it homogenizes things too much and puts profit before everything else more so than now. There is some interesting studies on how the increase in Globalization is harming thrid world countries and 1st world alike.


Difference is good.

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-30-2009, 12:58 PM
no because my thinking is how nationality law actually works and yours is just made up
ugh you didnt get the quote

of course you don't choose to be 6 feet tall but there would be no point of being proud even if you did

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-30-2009, 01:00 PM
Globalism is ultimately bad (IMO) because it homogenizes things too much and puts profit before everything else more so than now. There is some interesting studies on how the increase in Globalization is harming thrid world countries and 1st world alike.

Difference is good.well yeah but im not just talking about globalism

i am saying that nationalism, nations are becoming obsolete technological, cultural, globalist etc convergence should ideally take precedence over any nationalist hegemony

these things are naturally unfolding ideas

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-30-2009, 01:03 PM
everything you do is basically westernthats what i said?

guitarded_chuck
04-30-2009, 01:03 PM
healthcare is a miniature example of the difference in ideals though

give some examples

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-30-2009, 01:04 PM
no i got the quote the quote is just stupid
well then respond to what it meant like i explained it to you

guitarded_chuck
04-30-2009, 01:05 PM
What Canadian values do believe are distinctly seperate from American values?

And you said it was a small example so I'm asking for more, if that is the case.

RouteOne
04-30-2009, 01:05 PM
well yeah but im not just talking about globalism

i am saying that nationalism, nations are becoming obsolete technological, cultural, globalist etc convergence should ideally take precedence over any nationalist hegemony

these things are naturally unfolding ideas
How are nations becoming obsolete?

Are you suggesting that cultures combine?

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-30-2009, 01:06 PM
you said everything you do is american

just because the ends are the same doesnt mean the means are the same

just because you live similarly in practice doesnt mean you hold the same valuesi said "and vice versa"

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-30-2009, 01:08 PM
How are nations becoming obsolete?

Are you suggesting that cultures combine?
no the world is changing

no one suggested that colonialism would go out to combine cultures it was just a product of it
and colonialism was a product of technology

RouteOne
04-30-2009, 01:10 PM
no the world is changing

no one suggested that colonialism would go out to combine cultures it was just a product of it
and colonialism was a product of technology
I agree that the world is changing, however I do not think that borders are going anywhere. There's too much to lose by various nations to do that.

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-30-2009, 01:12 PM
I agree that the world is changing, however I do not think that borders are going anywhere. There's too much to lose by various nations to do that.
i mean my idea should just be a possible awareness remember i dont believe stuff?

no, nothing will be lost or can be because it's just a perspective

Pastorius
04-30-2009, 01:13 PM
respond to what

its an invalid comparison

being tall is not something you can take pride in

a culture you actively take part in and contribute to is

being proud of the culture is different to being proud of being american

specifically talking about the people who are proud to have been born in america, to spare us your pedantic citizenship arguments

DBoons Ghost
04-30-2009, 01:14 PM
better than chasing our cousins round and succeeding in banging them, thereby creating the next generation of sub-human retarded genetic freaks to pour their affection towards a flag

now where's that sheep

Also, I'm on board with the patriotism is retarded thing. Like George Carlin said, "Being proud of being American is like being proud of being 6 foot tall."

American inbreeding being tossed as an insult by someone from the UK is the purest definition of irony I have ever seen.

Maybe you should learn a little bit about your nations history eh?

I'm proud of what this country has accomplished in the short time it's been around regardless of the growing pains.. we're on our way to becoming a more mature teenager as opposed to the spoiled brat. I think an adult came along and gave the kid a good talking to and some of it stuck.

I take a great deal of pride because of what I have been able to attain and not in superficial material crap. I am well respected in the field in which I work and loved by my family and my daughter worships me. Many friends trust in my advice and wisdom. These things you cannot buy. My mom is proud of me and takes great pride in the things I am able to do with my child, especially given how we grew up. By all counts I should be dead or in jail, or at the least a terrible abusive father.

Anyways I don't want to get all serious because this is a fun thread. None of which makes me not proud to be human or alive or anything so arbitrary. In any other country I would not have been able to accomplish these things.

Pastorius
04-30-2009, 01:16 PM
tl;dr

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-30-2009, 01:16 PM
respond to what

its an invalid comparison

being tall is not something you can take pride in

a culture you actively take part in and contribute to is
not on a national scale

i love american culture though i dont agree with calling it that because it denotes a country, a country is a government, a law, borders, not culture

all culture is human as are things to be proud of


i said at the beginning patriotism is retarded because it is defined by nationalism

and nationalism isn't necessary to social progress and culture

in an ideal way

i am saying that nationalism, nations are becoming obsolete technological, cultural, globalist etc convergence should ideally take precedence over any nationalist hegemony

these things are naturally unfolding ideas

DBoons Ghost
04-30-2009, 01:17 PM
specifically talking about the people who are proud to have been born in america, to spare us your pedantic citizenship arguments


I am very proud to have been born in America. I am glad my family chose to leave Sicily and come here, as we all have better lives as a result.

I am very grateful.

DBoons Ghost
04-30-2009, 01:18 PM
tl;dr

To sum it up your people have been inbreeding for generations and generations beyond that.. If our rednecks do it now it's a fairly new thing.

Thanks for watching youtube and cops and making generalizations. I would expect more from a worldly educated sort.

Pastorius
04-30-2009, 01:18 PM
how can you take pride in having been born in america, you didn't do a thing towards it

To sum it up your people have been inbreeding for generations and generations beyond that.. If our rednecks do it now it's a fairly new thing.

Thanks for watching youtube and cops and making generalizations. I would expect more from a worldly educated sort.

i actually did read it, i just couldn't give a damn because i was being facetious

RouteOne
04-30-2009, 01:20 PM
not on a national scale

i love american culture though i dont agree with calling it that because it denotes a country, a country is a government, a law, borders, not culture

all culture is human as are things to be proud of


i said at the beginning patriotism is retarded because it is defined by nationalism

and nationalism isn't necessary to social progress and culture
Cultures develop partly due to their artificial or natural borders though. Their neighbors might share a lot of the same culture however there will be differences. Like Canadians and Americans, they both share a lot in common but there are obvious political and cultural differences.

DBoons Ghost
04-30-2009, 01:20 PM
how can you take pride in having been born in america, you didn't do a thing towards it

I was raised and educated in this country. I was poor but being poor here is like being rich anywhere else. I take pride in what this country provided me and my fammily versus being farmers in Sicily. I take pride in what my family before me sacrificed so I could accomplish what I have.

I'm sorry you fail to identify with such things. Maybe you take too much for granted.

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-30-2009, 01:20 PM
I am very proud to have been born in America. I am glad my family chose to leave Sicily and come here, as we all have better lives as a result.

I am very grateful.
yes that's a geographic economic and cultural movement that is something to be proud of

RouteOne
04-30-2009, 01:20 PM
how can you take pride in having been born in america, you didn't do a thing towards it



i actually did read it, i just couldn't give a damn because i was being facetious
Yes I have. Every day I work I put my time, money and taxes to it.

DBoons Ghost
04-30-2009, 01:21 PM
i actually did read it, i just couldn't give a damn because i was being facetious

I figured. I just don't want people coming along and reading it and failing sarcasm meters.

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-30-2009, 01:22 PM
Cultures develop partly due to their artificial or natural borders though. Their neighbors might share a lot of the same culture however there will be differences. Like Canadians and Americans, they both share a lot in common but there are obvious political and cultural differences.
naw my life would be exactly the same in either country

DBoons Ghost
04-30-2009, 01:22 PM
yes that's a geographic economic and cultural movement that is something to be proud of

What does your libfag college professor tell you to feel? Better yet read it word for word out of your college textbook for me.

RouteOne
04-30-2009, 01:22 PM
naw my life would be exactly the same in either country
You'd most likely be a different person if you were born here. The macro and micro cultural differences would change you. it may not be a big difference, but different all the same. Diversity is good.

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-30-2009, 01:23 PM
What does your libfag college professor tell you to feel? Better yet read it word for word out of your college textbook for me.
what no one told me **** about anything like this in school

Pastorius
04-30-2009, 01:23 PM
I was raised and educated in this country. I was poor but being poor here is like being rich anywhere else. I take pride in what this country provided me and my fammily versus being farmers in Sicily. I take pride in what my family before me sacrificed so I could accomplish what I have.

I'm sorry you fail to identify with such things. Maybe you take too much for granted.

why do you take pride in it though

you can be glad to have been born in america, you can prefer living in america than anywhere else, but why take pride in it

i'm proud of pursuing a physics degree, i'm glad i live in the uk

gmoneyguy
04-30-2009, 01:24 PM
Americas has more guns thus we win

DBoons Ghost
04-30-2009, 01:25 PM
why do you take pride in it though

you can be glad to have been born in america, you can prefer living in america than anywhere else, but why take pride in it

i'm proud of pursuing a physics degree, i'm glad i live in the uk

OK well, honestly I know we're all half joking but if pride is not what I should feel, even though I do, and maybe it's borne of ignorance for lack of a better term, what should I feel? How should I define the gratitude I have for a nation who allowed some poor stupid wops to come make lives for themselves? Even when my folks split, I had welfare and food stamps and WIC and the kindness of a loving community.

Would I have had the same in Italy? It makes me proud, not glad. Should I not feel proud?

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-30-2009, 01:26 PM
You'd most likely be a different person if you were born here. The macro and micro cultural differences would change you. it may not be a big difference, but different all the same. Diversity is good.
well ya id be slightly different, i was telling chad on any significant scale \

and this isnt what im talking about ill try to explain

DBoons Ghost
04-30-2009, 01:27 PM
he chooses to remain in america thats why he takes pride in it jesus why is this so hard why do we need to get into meta arguments about countries and nationalities i hate you guys

These dang intellectuals and their desire to quell emotions since you cannot quantify or define them.

I hate you douchebags. (not really you guys know I'm kidding)

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-30-2009, 01:28 PM
What does your libfag college professor tell you to feel? Better yet read it word for word out of your college textbook for me.
okay ill stop patronising you

you're fucking off base and have no idea what you're even responding to

Pastorius
04-30-2009, 01:28 PM
You just said it perfectly, gratitude.

I don't think you should feel proud because you didn't do anything towards it at all. You can be proud of carrying on the virtues that you hold dear that you believe being American taught you, not proud for having been born somewhere.

he chooses to remain in america thats why he takes pride in it jesus why is this so hard why do we need to get into meta arguments about countries and nationalities i hate you guys

what about people who are proud to be american who don't remain in america

edit: in all honesty, i think we just have different definitions of pride

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-30-2009, 01:29 PM
he chooses to remain in america thats why he takes pride in it jesus why is this so hard why do we need to get into meta arguments about countries and nationalities i hate you guys
i have no idea why you chose to since thats exactly what it started out as

gmoneyguy
04-30-2009, 01:31 PM
You just said it perfectly, gratitude.

I don't think you should feel proud because you didn't do anything towards it at all. You can be proud of carrying on the virtues that you hold dear that you believe being American taught you, not proud for having been born somewhere.

why should he stop having pride because you feel he shouldn't? The argument is great for you, but not everyone else.

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-30-2009, 01:31 PM
what about them

you can be proud of your old netball team after leaving
its kinda like

even if you weren't proud of them you can still like being on a team and playing netball

Pastorius
04-30-2009, 01:31 PM
but you're nothing to do with that netball team's achievements once you leave

proud to have been part of that team, proud to support that team, not proud of that team

Pastorius
04-30-2009, 01:32 PM
why should he stop having pride because you feel he shouldn't? The argument is great for you, but not everyone else.

i'm not saying he shouldn't have pride, just saying i think it's stupid

i'm proud of having five fingers
i'm proud of being american
same stupidity factor

you can be proud of your friends while having no part in their accomplishments

well that's stupid, why have pride in something you had no part in, even though you would have a part in a friend's accomplishments, emotional support etc

i'm proud of beethoven's fifth

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-30-2009, 01:33 PM
why should he stop having pride because you feel he shouldn't? The argument is great for you, but not everyone else.
the problem is he can be proud that his parents moved to america but that emotional, not thoughtful response can't have anything to with political decisions

patriotism is the thing that connects them

gmoneyguy
04-30-2009, 01:34 PM
I choose everyday to not cut one off, so you're damn right I am proud to have five

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-30-2009, 01:34 PM
everything said, i love america

Pastorius
04-30-2009, 01:35 PM
you can be proud of living in america maybe, but not of being american

you can live in a penguin enclosure but it doesn't make you a penguin

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-30-2009, 01:37 PM
chad never finds any use of metaphors allusions and analogies and ignores them if they dont agree with what he said even if he should anyways to discuss something more clearly

Pastorius
04-30-2009, 01:37 PM
living in america is not, not being american

other than your stupid living in america makes you an american rubbish

DBoons Ghost
04-30-2009, 01:40 PM
okay ill stop patronising you

you're fucking off base and have no idea what you're even responding to

Now you know how I feel when I read just about all of your posts. :thumb:

RouteOne
04-30-2009, 01:42 PM
we all live in America yo'

Pastorius
04-30-2009, 01:44 PM
i dont even know what pastorius is trying to say basically hes trying to say his made up nationality definition trumps the state that actually gives the status

i just think that it's bull that you can call yourself nationality A when you weren't born there or have heritage there

all the rest is just for legal purposes

SugarCoatedSour
04-30-2009, 01:45 PM
Why do I have to be at work when I can be arguing with you guys in this cesspool.

guitarded_chuck
04-30-2009, 01:45 PM
i just think that it's bull that you can call yourself nationality A when you weren't born there or have heritage there

ya this 100%

DBoons Ghost
04-30-2009, 01:45 PM
well that's stupid, why have pride in something you had no part in, even though you would have a part in a friend's accomplishments, emotional support etc

Well, that's just it. My forefathers, meaning my family's generations prior to my birth helped build this city with their bare hands. They paid taxes and contributed to the system we all live in. It's slightly foolish not to take some pride in what my family accomplished before I was born, as we as Americans all contribute to the American way of life which is why being poor here is not like being poor someplace else for example. I understand why some might view that as "stupid" especially from afar, and I understand that. I take pride in being able to contribute to the greater good of this country. I wish I had more say in where my tax money goes, especially the billions the Federal Government rapes the middle class for, but maybe someday.

Does that make more sense? I think once you guys get out and work and contribute to your communities you'll understand more. Maybe not though.

Pastorius
04-30-2009, 01:46 PM
this argument is born of boredom on both sides i'm fairly sure

i can vouch for my side anyway

Well, that's just it. My forefathers, meaning my family's generations prior to my birth helped build this city with their bare hands. They paid taxes and contributed to the system we all live in. It's slightly foolish not to take some pride in what my family accomplished before I was born, as we as Americans all contribute to the American way of life which is why being poor here is not like being poor someplace else for example. I understand why some might view that as "stupid" especially from afar, and I understand that. I take pride in being able to contribute to the greater good of this country. I wish I had more say in where my tax money goes, especially the billions the Federal Government rapes the middle class for, but maybe someday.

Does that make more sense? I think once you guys get out and work and contribute to your communities you'll understand more. Maybe not though.

i honestly don't see how you can take pride in something you had no contribution to

i can see you being proud of upholding the values of your family, but not of your family having those values in the first place

taking pride in contributing to the greater good is perfectly understandable

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-30-2009, 01:48 PM
Now you know how I feel when I read just about all of your posts. :thumb:
what are you talking about i am an amazing poster

DBoons Ghost
04-30-2009, 01:48 PM
Yes its true. I am only here because I'm bored and it's very slow here at work. Not to say I don't enjoy discussing stuff with you guys but I'd rather be swamped so time moves faster so I can go home. My wife is making turkey meatloaf not to mention she's off the rag so I have a lot to look forward to tonight.

DBoons Ghost
04-30-2009, 01:49 PM
what are you talking about i am an amazing poster

Half man half amazing!

I don't think you like me at all dude. I mean it's ok but we've never interacted in a nice manner.

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-30-2009, 01:50 PM
Well, that's just it. My forefathers, meaning my family's generations prior to my birth helped build this city with their bare hands. They paid taxes and contributed to the system we all live in. It's slightly foolish not to take some pride in what my family accomplished before I was born, as we as Americans all contribute to the American way of life which is why being poor here is not like being poor someplace else for example. I understand why some might view that as "stupid" especially from afar, and I understand that. I take pride in being able to contribute to the greater good of this country. I wish I had more say in where my tax money goes, especially the billions the Federal Government rapes the middle class for, but maybe someday.

Does that make more sense? I think once you guys get out and work and contribute to your communities you'll understand more. Maybe not though.i have volunteered hundreds of hours working with inner city youth programs since i was 15, it wasn't community service either lol

that doesnt even matter tho

it wasnt like i was HELPING CANADA HOORAY

Pastorius
04-30-2009, 01:50 PM
Half man half amazing!

I don't think you like me at all dude. I mean it's ok but we've never interacted in a nice manner.

it's like when a boy pulls a girls hair in primary school, he's just saying he likes you in his own way

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-30-2009, 01:52 PM
Half man half amazing!

I don't think you like me at all dude. I mean it's ok but we've never interacted in a nice manner.nah ur cool, i like mx too much to actually dislike anyone on here ill be honest, and i dont show it because i only want my posting to be incomprehensible as much as possible

RouteOne
04-30-2009, 01:52 PM
i have volunteered hundreds of hours working with inner city youth programs since i was 15, it wasn't community service either lol

that doesnt even matter tho

it wasnt like i was HELPING CANADA HOORAY
you were ultimately helping Canada by bettering it's youth. Net worth.

guitarded_chuck
04-30-2009, 01:53 PM
...as we as Americans all contribute to the American way of life which is why being poor here is not like being poor someplace else for example.


I certainly understand and respect your post, but I don't really understand this: Being poor in America is not the same as being poor someplace else?

Just a side note, I'm also proud of my families contributions to the way of life I enjoy today. It's more so being proud of their contributions to my life and my families life today, and the people around them, rather than my country's general lifestyle.

However, I do not feel obligated to always support p.o.v.'s and values of the country I live in, or my family's that have come before me.

It is one thing to be proud, and another to take it pride too seriously and deny your own beliefs. In doing so you're denying social progress. It's important to educate yourself and build your own beliefs, and if that goes against your country's our family's or whatever, that is just a part of progression and to feel "bad" about it is wrong.

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-30-2009, 01:53 PM
you were ultimately helping Canada by bettering it's youth. Net worth.
ya maybe but 'canada' exists only on a national level that has little to do with every day life and the real feelings i feel, the things i love and, community, people i connect with

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-30-2009, 01:55 PM
if there was greatest country in the world i would say americas for now

DBoons Ghost
04-30-2009, 01:59 PM
i have volunteered hundreds of hours working with inner city youth programs since i was 15, it wasn't community service either lol

that doesnt even matter tho

it wasnt like i was HELPING CANADA HOORAY

But you were. In my teens we used to volunteer in soup kitchens all the time. After hardcore shows every Sunday matter of fact. I took pride in that. It made me feel good. In my 20s I toko up mentoring young people and being a "Big Brother" and I took pride in the results. I took pride in some of those kids who's lives I might have changed in some small way. Of course you were helping Canada. If one of those inner city youths grows up to create some new usable source of energy, if he or she was to cite you as an influence, wouldn't you feel pride? Wouldn't you take even mroe pride in the fact that Canada is a better place because of you?

Pastorius
04-30-2009, 02:03 PM
no im afraid nationality is still defined by the state and not by you

by definition you are incorrect if you say they are incorrect since nationality can only be given by a state in the first place so what the state says goes no matter what you think is right or wrong

what if the state said that thinking about america made you american

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-30-2009, 02:03 PM
dboon

ya maybe but 'canada' exists only on a national level that has little to do with every day life and the real feelings i feel, the things i love and, community, people i connect with

DBoons Ghost
04-30-2009, 02:03 PM
I certainly understand and respect your post, but I don't really understand this: Being poor in America is not the same as being poor someplace else?

Just a side note, I'm also proud of my families contributions to the way of life I enjoy today. It's more so being proud of their contributions to my life and my families life today, and the people around them, rather than my country's general lifestyle.

However, I do not feel obligated to always support p.o.v.'s and values of the country I live in, or my family's that have come before me.

It is one thing to be proud, and another to take it pride too seriously and deny your own beliefs. In doing so you're denying social progress. It's important to educate yourself and build your own beliefs, and if that goes against your country's our family's or whatever, that is just a part of progression and to feel "bad" about it is wrong.

America has welfare and plenty of social programs which is made possible by our fellow citizens, like it or not. The fact that those systems saves lives is something we should all be proud of. I grew up in a different America than the one you guys know though, so maybe that's why you are confused as to why I would take pride in what it's become.

But you see, it's one place for us who live here and another for those who don't. I appreciate that. My pride doesn't allow me to see past my beliefs. That's something else entirely. I've never agreed with the policies of any administration since I have been alive, but that doesn't mean they don't do what's in the best interest of my fellow countrymen. Agree or disagree. Obama is a perfect example. I love the man. I enjoy him. I barely agree with him on anything. However, I support him. I don't know what's best for America. I know what's best for me, but I am not my country. The fact I can live my life and play some small part in what goes on in my community makes me feel pride. I dunno how else to explain it.

guitarded_chuck
04-30-2009, 02:04 PM
In that situation I'd feel better that the global community is a better place perhaps due in part to my influences.

It is important for people to be open minded and think in terms of the global community versus Canada or the USA or whatever country.

RouteOne
04-30-2009, 02:06 PM
America has welfare and plenty of social programs which is made possible by our fellow citizens, like it or not. The fact that those systems saves lives is something we should all be proud of. I grew up in a different America than the one you guys know though, so maybe that's why you are confused as to why I would take pride in what it's become.

But you see, it's one place for us who live here and another for those who don't. I appreciate that. My pride doesn't allow me to see past my beliefs. That's something else entirely. I've never agreed with the policies of any administration since I have been alive, but that doesn't mean they don't do what's in the best interest of my fellow countrymen. Agree or disagree. Obama is a perfect example. I love the man. I enjoy him. I barely agree with him on anything. However, I support him. I don't know what's best for America. I know what's best for me, but I am not my country. The fact I can live my life and play some small part in what goes on in my community makes me feel pride. I dunno how else to explain it.
Yeah NY is basically a small socialist country tbh.

DBoons Ghost
04-30-2009, 02:07 PM
dboon

ya maybe but 'canada' exists only on a national level that has little to do with every day life and the real feelings i feel, the things i love and, community, people i connect with

Well, that's not a bad thing. I have never felt "worldly". I have never felt like a global citizen. I'm old school in that I rarely see past a greater world over a greater America. I am sure that's short sighted but what can I tell y ou. I am also sure this pisses some people off and only solidifies what you may view as arrogance, but there's nothing I can do to deny that.

My values come from a place that doesn't necesarrily exist anymore, and I don't say that to dismiss any of this discussion or explani it away with that, but most of the youth in this country didn't grow up like me. A lot of us forget where we came from and that makes it worse. I have no sense of privilige. I am owed nothing I cannot provide for myself. I rely on no one but myself. If I fail, it's on me, not society.

(*The Noonward Race*)
04-30-2009, 02:15 PM
For better or worse I agree, times are changing, I choose to be moderately optimistic in that life is continually getting better period which means that the idea of failure is an aside compared to the betterment and making life easier for every human through technology and communication.

ANDYTHENEVERSTOPPINGMACHINE
04-30-2009, 02:35 PM
yes, yes it is

mph4ever
04-30-2009, 02:52 PM
Yes its true. I am only here because I'm bored and it's very slow here at work. Not to say I don't enjoy discussing stuff with you guys but I'd rather be swamped so time moves faster so I can go home. My wife is making turkey meatloaf not to mention she's off the rag so I have a lot to look forward to tonight.

thats mad, so is mine, and i don't mean she is making turkey meatloaf. sync'ing up, we could holiday together and both enjoy ourselves

and get real here, the lot of you. there is only one flag that deserves respect. hang it over every door and think for yourself

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj315/myndebeaner/anarchist_flag.png

Iskandar
04-30-2009, 02:55 PM
No Gods No Masters.

FattyKnee
04-30-2009, 02:59 PM
pooty

mph4ever
04-30-2009, 03:05 PM
No Gods No Masters.

oh yes

no gods no managers is actually a better one but deserved of a different name

jcober
04-30-2009, 03:15 PM
Iceland is a beautiful country and I am quite convinced that it is the best. Albeit, they are rather primitive in many parts of the country, I love the whole vibe it gives.

RouteOne
04-30-2009, 03:17 PM
Iceland is a beautiful country and I am quite convinced that it is the best. Albeit, they are rather primitive in many parts of the country, I love the whole vibe it gives.
Iceland has a fascinating folk culture with nice myths.

Iskandar
04-30-2009, 03:22 PM
Iceland is beautiful but it's pretty much the same as Sweden or Norway only with far less people.

Already_Taken
04-30-2009, 03:25 PM
instead of a mac-10 he tried scrappin'
slugs in his back and that's what the **** happens
when u sleep on tha streets
little motha ****as with heat
wanna leave a nigga 6 feet deep!!!

welcome to america

die of starvation
04-30-2009, 03:27 PM
on average living conditions in america are worse than some eurocommie countries
but who cares about average
you have to be average or below average for that to matter to you

good point

RouteOne
04-30-2009, 03:31 PM
it sort of sucks that European countries tax their people so high.

Already_Taken
04-30-2009, 03:31 PM
yeah i bet they also have alternative means of transportation. it's probably a good thing considering how many retarded middle aged women i see driving SUV's around here.

Iskandar
04-30-2009, 03:32 PM
They wanted a welfare state so they have to pay for it.

Iskandar
04-30-2009, 03:33 PM
Rich people have it so hard, I know.

Pastorius
04-30-2009, 03:33 PM
then i'd be american

what if the state said you only had to be born anywhere to be american

RouteOne
04-30-2009, 03:34 PM
yeah i bet they also have alternative means of transportation. it's probably a good thing considering how many retarded middle aged women i see driving SUV's around here.
SUV's are retarded unless you're a farmer, contractor or live in rough country. Otherwise you're a yuppie

Iskandar
04-30-2009, 03:35 PM
Minivans are equally retarded and everyone drives them. Seriously, have less kids.

Already_Taken
04-30-2009, 03:37 PM
Minivans are equally retarded and everyone drives them. Seriously, have less kids.

um minivans are way less retarded. they have a realistic practical use for civilians whereas SUV's most assuredly do not.

(being in a band comes to mind)

Already_Taken
04-30-2009, 03:40 PM
shut up you tway wannabe. that means they reward crap driving while putting people like me who drive practical compact cars at a higher risk

RouteOne
04-30-2009, 03:40 PM
suvs are awesome you can crash into people and you wont die
rollova's bro

die of starvation
04-30-2009, 03:42 PM
SUV's are retarded unless you're a farmer, contractor or live in rough country. Otherwise you're a yuppie

mr ron yuppies dont have suvs i dont think you know what yuppies are

Already_Taken
04-30-2009, 03:43 PM
who said they were they just take extra precautions since almost everyone will have an accident at one point no matter how smart they are

so why not protect yourself from death

by buying an suv

smart people avoid accidents idiot

RouteOne
04-30-2009, 03:44 PM
mr ron yuppies dont have suvs i dont think you know what yuppies are
young urban professionals


there are diff kinds. Some wear burks and drive geos and the others read home living and drive SUVz

die of starvation
04-30-2009, 03:45 PM
the ones who drive suvs are no longer young or urban
they may have been former yuppies

RouteOne
04-30-2009, 03:46 PM
your avatar makes me want to watch wall-e for the billionth time

Already_Taken
04-30-2009, 03:47 PM
it's mostly middle aged women toting their kids around in the suv their husband bought them. my sister is about to buy a chevy tahoe which is ridiculous considering she had 3 accidents in a fuking chevy cavalier. (all trying to park or back out) :rolleyes:

oh that's not how it works lightfagtastic??? how does someone who doesn't even own a car know how driving works?

Iskandar
04-30-2009, 03:48 PM
It's mostly middle-aged women toting their kids around in minivans too.

die of starvation
04-30-2009, 03:49 PM
wall e is so good

Already_Taken
04-30-2009, 03:49 PM
It's mostly middle-aged women toting their kids around in minivans too.

i've known more males that own minivans. i would drive one. they are slower, more efficient, and have more space inside and provide a better ride.