NFL '09 Season

[Pariah]

Discuss off-season, the draft, preseason, regular season, postseason, etc here.

[curseworship]

TO is gone. Titans fans (such as myself) dream for a signing that will not happen.

[Pariah]

Why would you want that *** on your team?

[curseworship]

because I want ANY receiver on my team. Unless Justin Gage finally has that breakout year

[Crapdragoon]

I'm somewhat indifferent to this.

[Pariah]

I personally think it's good for them to get rid of his ego.

[Pariah]

Warner is staying with the Cards.

[MattSharpIsCool]

I don't know how I feel about TO being a free agent. On one hand I can't stand him. But on the other hand, he may have lost a step but he's still a damn good receiver.

Jamarcus to Owens could be a good connection....

[Crapdragoon]

Mannnnn don't even go there!!

[Shell]

Now if they can only get rid of Jones.

[Understanding In a Crash]

I don't know how I feel about TO being a free agent. On one hand I can't stand him. But on the other hand, he may have lost a step but he's still a damn good receiver.

Jamarcus to Owens could be a good connection....
And when was the last time the Raiders had good team chemistry? I feel like many of the seasons if they did they could of been atleast a .500 team.

[Apostle7]

TO is dead to me.

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

I love what KC is doing so far

They got Cassell, so there set at QB, they got LJ and Dwayne Bowe on offense so that's a solid group. Plus Tony. On D they got Vrabel which is awesome cuz if we get Curry in the draft, then he could mentor Curry.

hell yea

[Pariah]

Oh yeah I'll get to listen to my supervisor and some coworkers talk about the Chiefs tomorrow night. Hooray.

[Shell]

wow and now we let Williams go

what a waste

[MattSharpIsCool]

And when was the last time the Raiders had good team chemistry? I feel like many of the seasons if they did they could of been atleast a .500 team.

I was mainly being a douche when I said that. I would never want TO on the Raiders. They already experimented with a prima donna receiver a couple years ago and that didn't work out very well.

[Rams]

I personally think it's good for them to get rid of his ego.

Teams historically get so much better after dropping T.O.

Team chemistry is the most bullshit thing in football.

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

no it's not

ill play much harder and try much harder if im trying to catch a ball from my buddy. If i don't like the guy, i'll try and see what happens. either way, i get paid.

[Guerrilla Soldier]

Teams historically get so much better after dropping T.O.


so much better? no way. sure the eagles went from 6-10 in owens' last year to 10-6 after he left (they also went 13-3 2 years before he left), and the niners went from 7-9 to 2-14.

[Understanding In a Crash]

LMAO T.O. single handedly killed the 49ers by calling Jeff Garcia a homo. Almost as classic as Jeremy Shockey calling Bill Parcells a homo too. And the Eagles have been a one N out playoff team since like 2002 :D

[Rams]

so much better? no way. sure the eagles went from 6-10 in owens' last year to 10-6 after he left (they also went 13-3 2 years before he left), and the niners went from 7-9 to 2-14.

I was being sarcastic. People claim TO was the reason those teams sucked, but in reality they didn't get much better (if at all) after he left than when he was there. The guy was a great receiver, a bit of an ***, but he always played hard, never got in trouble with the law, and wanted to win. For people to find that as a critical character flaw is a joke.

no it's not

ill play much harder and try much harder if im trying to catch a ball from my buddy. If i don't like the guy, i'll try and see what happens. either way, i get paid.

You sound like the problem player then if you can't get adequately motivated unless you like everyone on your team. And if you are like that, why bother keeping them in the league? There are plenty of teams out there that play fine even though players don't like each other.

[Guerrilla Soldier]

I was being sarcastic. People claim TO was the reason those teams sucked, but in reality they didn't get much better (if at all) after he left than when he was there. The guy was a great receiver, a bit of an ***, but he always played hard, never got in trouble with the law, and wanted to win. For people to find that as a critical character flaw is a joke.


lol my bad. didn't detect any sarcasm.

[Nosferatu]

I was being sarcastic. People claim TO was the reason those teams sucked, but in reality they didn't get much better (if at all) after he left than when he was there. The guy was a great receiver, a bit of an ***, but he always played hard, never got in trouble with the law, and wanted to win. For people to find that as a critical character flaw is a joke.

qft. TO seemed like the only person on the Cowboys team this past year who actually cared about winning. Everyone else took on the "ho-hum" attitude of Wade Phillips. in all honestly, i kinda feel bad for TO. all he wants to do is when a Super Bowl. And all the media wants to do is destroy his goal and his reputation. you can just see all of the espn reporters smirk whenever they talk about him being released.

no it's not

ill play much harder and try much harder if im trying to catch a ball from my buddy. If i don't like the guy, i'll try and see what happens. either way, i get paid.

thank you for that. that is what the problem is. it's not TO and his "ego"(seriously, what big time reciever has never had an ego?) but its players that would be like you. they don't care about winning, just as long as they get paid at the end of every week.

[YDload]

LMAO T.O. single handedly killed the 49ers by calling Jeff Garcia a homo. Almost as classic as Jeremy Shockey calling Bill Parcells a homo too. And the Eagles have been a one N out playoff team since like 2002 :D

the eagles have never lost an opening-round playoff game since Reid's been the coach.

i dont really care about TO drama cause its not like my team's gonna sign him or anything. i do think it's ridiculous that players who break the law and are generally bad people off the field get less villainized than characters like TO and chad johnson.

[Black Ink]

As a Cowboy fan I've got mixed feelings about TO leaving. Production wise there's no one who can replace him, even if his stats are diminishing. From everything I've read (from the Dallas website, not ESPN) it seems he really did divide the locker room there and if Jerry Jones, his once most fervent defender, finally gave up on him then you know something was up.

I'm glad Roy Williams (FS) is gone though. That guy was nothing but a liabilty in coverage and a cry baby.

[Nosferatu]

I'm glad Roy Williams (FS) is gone though. That guy was nothing but a liabilty in coverage and a cry baby.

so true. me being a huge Cowboy fan, i say it's about time with safety Roy Williams being released. but TO, i'm not sure. i mean, he's the second all time leading touchdown reciever in history, second only to Jerry Rice. say what you want about ego(like Rice never had an ego? please...), but TO was productive. simple as that. i just hope Roy Williams(reciever) will step up, along with Crayton.

edit: to the guy i quoted: Roy Williams is strong safety, btw. Ken Hamlin is the free safety.

[Crapdragoon]

t.o. signs one year deal with bills for 6.5 mill.

[Pariah]

lol for them

[beso negro]

instant favorites to win the division good signing

[Jamais_Vu]

The Bills are the only team I really like out of the entire AFC. I hope he doesn't cause trouble with them as well.

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

lol Bills

[hXcPLISIT]

Owens playing a regular season game in Canada next yr lolzzz =)

[MattSharpIsCool]

i mean, he's the second all time leading touchdown reciever in history, second only to Jerry Rice. say what you want about ego(like Rice never had an ego? please...), but TO was productive. simple as that.

But Rice didn't call his QB a homo or destroy every relationship he ever had with his pro bowl caliber QBs by running his mouth. He's got a big mouth and it rubs a lot of people the wrong way. Can't deny that he's one of the best receivers in NFL history, the way he can dominate a game, but he's just a headache.

[Nosferatu]

But Rice didn't call his QB a homo or destroy every relationship he ever had with his pro bowl caliber QBs by running his mouth.

TO called Romo a homosexual? and where did you hear this? ESPN? Ed Werder? please...

the media blows things out of proportion. what wouldn't make a great story other than TO once again "destroying" a team? give me a break. the Cowboys didn't fold this past season because of TO. if you believe that, then, well, i don't what to tell you.

oh, and who was that last year who started crying in a post game press conference? because he didn't think it was fair that everyone was going to blame Romo(HIS QUARTERBACK) for losing that first playoff game? who was that? OH YEA!! TO. he said it very clearly: "We lost as a team." but now, since the Cowboys folded this past season, i guess TO is the reason, right? i mean, he's the easiest scapegoat, am i wrong? what would be easier than to say TO was the problem?

[MattSharpIsCool]

TO called Romo a homosexual? and where did you hear this? ESPN? Ed Werder? please...

No he called Jeff Garcia a homo. This is a fact. And then he refused his trade to Baltimore. Then he talked smack about McNabb in the media. Then he talked smack about Romo in the media.

the media blows things out of proportion. what wouldn't make a great story other than TO once again "destroying" a team? give me a break. the Cowboys didn't fold this past season because of TO. if you believe that, then, well, i don't what to tell you.

oh, and who was that last year who started crying in a post game press conference? because he didn't think it was fair that everyone was going to blame Romo(HIS QUARTERBACK) for losing that first playoff game? who was that? OH YEA!! TO. he said it very clearly: "We lost as a team." but now, since the Cowboys folded this past season, i guess TO is the reason, right? i mean, he's the easiest scapegoat, am i wrong? what would be easier than to say TO was the problem?

I never said TO was the reason the Cowboys fell apart this season. I said he was a headache to have on your team, and he is a primadonna.

Apparently most other teams in the NFL feel the same way, seeing as a vast majority of them didn't even attempt to go after TO when he was a free agent.

[Shell]

it's not like TO tries to avoid the media anyway, so who's to blame them for pointing out what a jackass he is

such as his interview with Deion Sanders this season where he criticized the offensive coaches because they weren't running plays to get him the ball and he can run his lines and he can catch anything blah blah blah

[Nosferatu]

um, if you guys actually watched the Cowboys this past season, than you would know he had every right to call out the offensive scheme. Jason Garrett was a f*ckin joke this past season. his playcalling was absolutely elementary. so i have a question: who's the bigger man here? the guy who sees that something is wrong, and is not afraid to stand up and say that something needs to change, KNOWING that he will be criticized and flamed? Or is it the guy who knows something is wrong but won't stand up and say anything because he's too afraid it'll hurt his image? think about it. TO absolutely positively without a doubt knew he would be looked down upon if he stood up and said something, but you see, all he cares about is winning. he doesn't care how the media looks at him.

how many off-the-field issues has TO been involved in?

so a hall of fame wide reciever wants the ball? what else is knew? how many times do you think a running back goes into the huddle and says "hey, hand me the ball and i'll get those three yards for you." probably every freakin time its a short yardage down. Jerry Rice never wanted the ball? Michael Jordan never wanted the ball? Kobe Bryant doesn't want the ball? give me a f*ckin break. TO helps teams WIN because he's productive. last i heard over half of the locker room in Dallas was on his side. but then again, thats the media for you, always looking for a story.

[MattSharpIsCool]

A team where only half the guys are on your side isn't much of a team.

[Zmev]

wow and now we let Williams go

what a waste

You should be happy.

so a hall of fame wide reciever wants the ball?

He got the ball, he just kept dropping it in key moments/most of the time.

[burtonbassist_101]

i can't believe that there are people here actually defending t.o.

[Shell]

um, if you guys actually watched the Cowboys this past season, than you would know he had every right to call out the offensive scheme. Jason Garrett was a f*ckin joke this past season. his playcalling was absolutely elementary. so i have a question: who's the bigger man here? the guy who sees that something is wrong, and is not afraid to stand up and say that something needs to change, KNOWING that he will be criticized and flamed? Or is it the guy who knows something is wrong but won't stand up and say anything because he's too afraid it'll hurt his image? think about it. TO absolutely positively without a doubt knew he would be looked down upon if he stood up and said something, but you see, all he cares about is winning. he doesn't care how the media looks at him.

how many off-the-field issues has TO been involved in?

so a hall of fame wide reciever wants the ball? what else is knew? how many times do you think a running back goes into the huddle and says "hey, hand me the ball and i'll get those three yards for you." probably every freakin time its a short yardage down. Jerry Rice never wanted the ball? Michael Jordan never wanted the ball? Kobe Bryant doesn't want the ball? give me a f*ckin break. TO helps teams WIN because he's productive. last i heard over half of the locker room in Dallas was on his side. but then again, thats the media for you, always looking for a story.

what good does it do to bitch to the media if you're unhappy with the team's direction? clearly none

if you have a problem, take it to the people who are going to change it, not just try to stir up ****

[Black Ink]

um, if you guys actually watched the Cowboys this past season, than you would know he had every right to call out the offensive scheme. Jason Garrett was a f*ckin joke this past season. his playcalling was absolutely elementary. so i have a question: who's the bigger man here? the guy who sees that something is wrong, and is not afraid to stand up and say that something needs to change, KNOWING that he will be criticized and flamed? Or is it the guy who knows something is wrong but won't stand up and say anything because he's too afraid it'll hurt his image? think about it. TO absolutely positively without a doubt knew he would be looked down upon if he stood up and said something, but you see, all he cares about is winning. he doesn't care how the media looks at him.

how many off-the-field issues has TO been involved in?

so a hall of fame wide reciever wants the ball? what else is knew? how many times do you think a running back goes into the huddle and says "hey, hand me the ball and i'll get those three yards for you." probably every freakin time its a short yardage down. Jerry Rice never wanted the ball? Michael Jordan never wanted the ball? Kobe Bryant doesn't want the ball? give me a f*ckin break. TO helps teams WIN because he's productive. last i heard over half of the locker room in Dallas was on his side. but then again, thats the media for you, always looking for a story.
The scheme wouldn't have to be so simple if T.O or any of the other receivers actually knew how to run crisp routes. When your tight end is your best route runner that's an issue.

Jerry Rice and Michael Jordan always kept things in house not immediately went to the media and started blaming other people. Every time there was an issue he'd throw someone else under the bus.

Having the Defense on your side when you're an offensive player is really a problem.

[freddune]

im a TO fan (as unpopular as they may be)... i think it's a loss for the cowboys, he cared about that team. now with the bills?! he's not making the playoffs with them...

[Reaganista]

the eagles have like 4 guys left

[Black Ink]

the eagles have like 4 guys left

And Andy Reid doubles up as coach and long snapper.

[Mute Requiem]

i think if reid just sat down he'd be a pretty solid offensive line

[Understanding In a Crash]

im a TO fan (as unpopular as they may be)... i think it's a loss for the cowboys, he cared about that team. now with the bills?! he's not making the playoffs with them...
I'm pretty sure any team in Tom Brady's conference knows they are probably a long shot for the playoffs. :thumb:

[Nosferatu]

what good does it do to bitch to the media if you're unhappy with the team's direction? clearly none

if you have a problem, take it to the people who are going to change it, not just try to stir up ****

and that's exactly what TO did. he didn't go to the media and "just try to stir up sh*t". he took it up with his offensive coordinator. not the media. but guess what? the media gets wind, or should i say Ed Werder?, and automatically says "TO IS DESTROYING THE COWBOYS." why? because he went to his coordinator? thinking that something was wrong? (which he was correct). b/c he goes and says, "hey, maybe we should try new things." that automatically means that TO is a f*ckin cancer, right? try thinking for yourself once, and not what ESPN feeds you.

it's not TO's fault here. its the media. they are the people who blow things out of proportion. they are the ones who cream themselves whenever they get a story about TO and so-called "distraction".

like i said, "how many times do you think a running back goes into the huddle and says: hand me the ball and i'll get those two yards for you." TO is a cancer b/c he thinks he can help his team get better and win? its pretty f*ckin obvious that: IF YOU GET T.O. THE BALL THINGS HAPPEN. i don't care if he's arrogant, Jerry Rice never was? Michael Irvin never was? stfu. he helps teams win.

[Shell]

he has the option to turn down a TV interview, which he didn't - so you can't blame the media for it anymore than you can blame him

[YDload]

TO is a cancer b/c he thinks he can help his team get better and win? its pretty f*ckin obvious that: IF YOU GET T.O. THE BALL THINGS HAPPEN.

like drops, or interceptions because romo was tryin to force the ball to owens when he shouldnt have

[apple pie]

Well with Buffalo, they have a huge deep threat in Moulds and a better RB in Lynch. Also Edwards is a clutch QB, or as big of a clutch QB as you can be in Buffalo, so they should have a terrific team with TO, and he should have a 1100 yard 10 touchdown season

[beso negro]

You forgot Lee Evans

[Rogue Six]

, i don't care if he's arrogant, Jerry Rice never was? Michael Irvin never was? stfu. he helps teams win.

You want to know the difference between Jerry Rice, Michael Irvin and T.O.? Super Bowl Rings. T.O Helps the team he is on as long as it suits him. If a team can win without getting him the ball, by all means do it. T. O drops to many easy passes. He whines and screams like a baby, and has hurt every team he has ever Been on.

[Rams]

Well with Buffalo, they have a huge deep threat in Moulds and a better RB in Lynch. Also Edwards is a clutch QB, or as big of a clutch QB as you can be in Buffalo, so they should have a terrific team with TO, and he should have a 1100 yard 10 touchdown season

Eric Moulds is still in the league? He's got to be twice as old as me.

[apple pie]

yah aha I meant Lee Evens wow I feel like such a douche bag

[Illmatic]

im a TO fan (as unpopular as they may be)... i think it's a loss for the cowboys, he cared about that team. now with the bills?! he's not making the playoffs with them...
I'm pretty sure any team in Tom Brady's conference knows they are probably a long shot for the playoffs. :thumb:

just like how the dolphins had no chance at the playoffs last year

[Rams]

Stallworth should be out of the league with Goodell's bullshit conduct rule.

[g°®†]

I'm becoming a Broncos fan this year.


F the eagles :ugh:

[g°®†]

And Andy Reid doubles up as coach and long snapper.



I don't think he could hike the ball past his FUPA

[Reaganista]

I'm becoming a Broncos fan this year.


F the eagles :ugh:

ur such a fakeass cunt my god i cant stand u

[g°®†]

Dawkins is my boy, son ... you don't understand

[Reaganista]

ur such a fakeass squirrel my god i cant stand u

[g°®†]

:wave:

[YDload]

no player is more important than the team, dont u know

[Reaganista]

they could get rid of every player
they almost did

[g°®†]

they might as well have.



meh ... I'm so tired of the Eagles' executives ignoring the Philadelphia fan-base. :(

[Reaganista]

fake
***

[g°®†]

meh ... the eagles are fake. They're not a real team.

[Reaganista]

Philadelphia E A G L E S

[g°®†]

yah .... I'll be dual supporting both the Broncos and the Birds

[Reaganista]

omg i hope u flip ur car over in the mall parking lot

[g°®†]

ooh ... you should've posted this a half hour ago. I was at the mall buying that hideous polo shirt. ;)

[MattSharpIsCool]

Any big name players getting cut lately? I can't go on nfl.com because it destroys my computer.

[YDload]

jay cutler is asking to be traded cause he doesnt like his new coach and thinks he was seriously on the trading block for matt cassel or something. its kind of a big mess and cutler's bein a baby about it, but it could be interesting!

[MattSharpIsCool]

Well ya he plays for the Broncos of course he's a big baby.

[Zmev]

"I went in there with every intention of solving the issue, being a Bronco, moving forward as a Bronco," Cutler said. "We weren't in there but about 20 minutes, [McDaniels] did most of the talking and as far as I'm concerned, he made it clear he wants his own guy. He admitted he wanted Matt Cassel because he said he has raised him up from the ground as a quarterback. He said he wasn't sorry about it. He made it clear that he could still entertain trading me because, as he put it, he'll do whatever he feels is in the best interest of the organization.

"At the end of the meeting, he wasn't like, 'Jay, I want you as our quarterback, you're our guy.' It felt like the opposite. He basically said that I needed to tell him if we can't work this out, to let him know," Cutler added. "I thought he was antagonizing me and that was disappointing because I was ready to move on, committed as a Bronco. Really, I figured we'd hash things out, shake hands, laugh a little and move forward. What happened [Saturday] was the last thing I expected. If I didn't think it could be fixed, I never would have come back to Denver. It was painfully obvious to me and Bus [Cook, his agent] it's not something they want to fix."

McDaniels didn't help his own cause but Cutler is a huge bitch.

[Guerrilla Soldier]

well, i would argue Mcdaniel's cause is to make cutler gtfo, so i would say he helped his own cause greatly. might have damaged his trade value by making him go all pissy to the public like that though.

[Understanding In a Crash]

Any big name players getting cut lately? I can't go on nfl.com because it destroys my computer.

The Rams cut like their whole team.

[Rams]

Any big name players getting cut lately? I can't go on nfl.com because it destroys my computer.

Matt Jones got cut for being a drug addict.

[beso negro]

a mistake by the jags I think. he was on his way to becoming a pro-bowler.

they cut porter, they cut jones, and didn't resign williams. now they have northcut and that's it.

[burtonbassist_101]

what do you guys think is gonna happen to dante stallworth?

[Mute Requiem]

probably nothing because he's famous

i think it was leonard little who killed someone a couple years ago drunk driving and nothing really happened to him

[Jamais_Vu]

So, I've heard that Julius Peppers might be going to the Patriots. That makes me hate them even more now.

[YDload]

a mistake by the jags I think. he was on his way to becoming a pro-bowler.

no.

[guitarded_chuck]

Joey Galloway signed with the Pats.

And I think Stallworth is in ****. It seems pretty clear what happened. They said he was speeding toward the intersection to try to beat the red light, hit the person and they died. That won't be easy to walk away from.

[burtonbassist_101]

So, I've heard that Julius Peppers might be going to the Patriots. That makes me hate them even more now.

i think it's awesome. i'm not really that much of a pats fan, although i did love watching them kick everybody's (well, ALMOST everybody's) asses in the '07 season.

i just don't understand why people hate teams just because they win all the time. now, if they're a rival team, i can understand.

[Understanding In a Crash]

And I think Stallworth is in ****. It seems pretty clear what happened. They said he was speeding toward the intersection to try to beat the red light, hit the person and they died. That won't be easy to walk away from.
That honestly could of happened to anyone. And I don't know what roads those are but NY "walking signals" basically make it impossible for that to happen since alot of people speed to beat the light here. I'm not trying to say he was right but still usually I wouldn't start walking into a cross walk when its yellow either.

[MattSharpIsCool]

So, I've heard that Julius Peppers might be going to the Patriots. That makes me hate them even more now.

And for a 2nd round pick.....that's it. How do the Pats keep getting elite players for trash draft picks? First they got Randy Moss for a 4th rounder, now maybe Julius Peppers for a 2nd rounder.

This is why the Patriots are always winning guys. They know how to run a team.

[YDload]

they only have $7 million worth of cap space left, they cant sign Peppers and still have draft picks. they would have to release more guys, in order to sign a guy who wants to be more one-dimensional, on a team whose coach preaches versatility... it reeeeaaaallly does not make sense at all

[g°®†]

someone explain to me the why we got rid of Dawkins?

[YDload]

he was a free agent and another team made a better offer. plus he's old i guess

[g°®†]

dumb ****in' eagles :mad:

[Understanding In a Crash]

Can someone explain to me what the stipulations are when you're declared a "franchise player"...

[Rams]

Can someone explain to me what the stipulations are when you're declared a "franchise player"...

There are exclusive and non-exclusive franchise players. Exclusive franchise players get a one-year offer from their team and can't get offers from other teams. The contract is worth either the average of the top 5 highest contracts at their respective position or 120% their previous contract, whichever is higher. With a non-exclusive franchise player, other teams are allowed to bid for them. If the player tries to sign with another team, the current team is allowed to match the contract. If the current team loses the player, the new team compensates the old team by sending two first round picks.

[Guerrilla Soldier]

and the players hate it!

i'm reading peppers to the cowboys. i think jones has lost his marbles. gotta fill that shiny new stadium, i guess.

[beso negro]

dawkins is done gort he had a good career though

[Black Ink]

and the players hate it!

i'm reading peppers to the cowboys. i think jones has lost his marbles. gotta fill that shiny new stadium, i guess.

Just like people read Ray Lewis to the Cowboys. Why would the Cowboys even consider Peppers when they have to resign D-Ware?

[Guerrilla Soldier]

well what if they can't resign ware? they'll be interested to say the least.

and people 'read' lewis to the cowboys because he wouldn't shutup about wanting to go there.

[Black Ink]

well what if they can't resign ware? they'll be interested to say the least.

and people 'read' lewis to the cowboys because he wouldn't shutup about wanting to go there.

He has another year on his contract. They just want it done sooner than later.

[Pariah]

Why would Ray Lewis want to be a Cowboy? Because TO is gone?

[YDload]

he actually did say he wanted to be a cowboy, but whatever. its pointless cause he just resigned with the ravens

[Pariah]

Did he say he wanted to be a cowboy, or that he wanted to sign with the Cowboys?

Anyway, I'm glad LT is still our back, and the Chargers better not lose Sproles.

[ThePatient]

Ray Lewis's public cry to be a Cowboy and Jet was nothing more than a PR stunt he conjured up to try to start a bidding war. If he'd have gone anywhere else he would've been made to look like nothing more than an average linebacker. At this point in his career, he can thank Haloti Ngata and whichever other DT they have in on any given play for every big-time, show stopping tackle he makes. I love him and I'm glad he's back, but the only place he'd put up his big numbers is here behind the d-line that the Ravens have.

[YDload]

you dont think Jay Ratliff or Kris Jenkins could have helped him out just like Ngata does?

[g°®†]

dawkins is done gort he had a good career though


:upset:

[Guerrilla Soldier]

He has another year on his contract. They just want it done sooner than later.

fair enough.

[ThePatient]

you dont think Jay Ratliff or Kris Jenkins could have helped him out just like Ngata does?

Individually yes. But while I think the Ravens secondary is going to be barelly NCAA worthy now, their D-line is probably the best in the league. Things have definitely shifted on the team over the last couple of years.

[Black Ink]

NFL's having it's annual meeting on Sunday. Apparently they're not going to be touching or fiddling with the current process of overtime (thank god). Any rule changes are mostly concerning player safety.

» A defender who hits a defenseless receiver in the head with his helmet or any part of his body will draw a 15-yard unsportsmanlike-conduct penalty and be subject to a fine from the NFL. Call this "The Anquan Boldin Rule." The Arizona Cardinals receiver suffered a fracture of a facial bone that required surgery after a vicious helmet-to-helmet hit from New York Jets safety Eric Smith last season. Smith wasn't penalized, but he did draw a $50,000 fine and one-game suspension from the league.

» If a pass rusher, who is blocked into the quarterback's legs or into the ground on the way to the quarterback, continues to run or drives forcefully into the quarterback's legs, he'll draw a 15-yard unsportsmanlike-conduct penalty and be subject to a fine. Call this the "Tom Brady Rule." The New England Patriots' quarterback suffered a season-ending knee injury during the 2008 regular-season opener against Kansas City from a hit by Chiefs safety Bernard Pollard, who claimed the contact happened by "accident" after he was blocked into Brady's leg. Pats receiver Randy Moss disagreed, saying after the game the hit looked "dirty" to him.

» The outlawing of the "wedge," typically formed by the middle blockers on kickoff returns, because it has a long history of causing injuries.

In addition, the committee is recommending that instant replay -- which currently covers certain fumbles -- be expanded to include all fumble plays, including the "tuck rule," whereby a quarterback is deemed to have thrown an incomplete pass rather than fumbled if his arm is moving forward.

They're also gonna start talks about a new CBA. Hopefully the owners and the NFLPA can get something worked out so the cap stays in place and there's football in 2011.

[ThePatient]

Isn't the "wedge" a standard part of kickoffs...?

[guitarded_chuck]

That honestly could of happened to anyone. And I don't know what roads those are but NY "walking signals" basically make it impossible for that to happen since alot of people speed to beat the light here. I'm not trying to say he was right but still usually I wouldn't start walking into a cross walk when its yellow either.

Doesn't matter at all. The pedestrian always has the right-of-way according to the law, and he is therefore in **** just like anyone else would be.

[Black Ink]

Isn't the "wedge" a standard part of kickoffs...?

Yeah. I really hope they don't get rid of it cause then they'd be taking away one of the basics of the game.

[burtonbassist_101]

Yeah. I really hope they don't get rid of it cause then they'd be taking away one of the basics of the game.

yeah, really. they teach the wedge in pop warner and high school ball.

[ThePatient]

Doesn't matter at all. The pedestrian always has the right-of-way according to the law, and he is therefore in **** just like anyone else would be.

The pedestrian does not always have the right of way. They have the right of way only if they are in the cross walk. And that doesn't count if the signal says don't walk, then its the same as getting hit in a car when you run a red light. From my understanding the light was yellow, or had just turned red in Stallworth's direction, which would have meant that there was no way that the person had the "go ahead" to start walking, because there's a delay between "red light" > "walk signal".

And as a pedestrian you can't just step out in moving traffic. Say its a crosswalk over a roadway that isn't controlled by a traffic signal. A pedestrian can't just step out, even in a crosswalk, if traffic is unreasonably close/heavy. Its unreasonable to expect a car doing 30 miles an hour 50 feet out from a crosswalk to stop in the time it takes the pedestrian to get into its path.

[Understanding In a Crash]

Doesn't matter at all. The pedestrian always has the right-of-way according to the law, and he is therefore in **** just like anyone else would be.
I personally think that law is ridiculous too. Pedestrians should have the right of way according to the traffic situation. I mean people who walk right into the middle of the intersection on a yellow light is basically asking to be hit.

[MattSharpIsCool]

Seriously getting rid of the wedge on kickoffs would be a really dumb idea. It's like the most basic formation in all of football.

[Mute Requiem]

Goodell seems to have this weird fascination with absolutely ruining football

[Black Ink]

I'm hoping the idea is shot down. I dunno about the "Tom Brady" rule either. Yeah that particular hit looked dirty but as a pass rusher apparently now if you're getting knocked down you're out of the play unless you get back up again. There's protecting the QB and then there's babying them.

[MattSharpIsCool]

I don't know. If you're a pass rusher and you get pushed down by the lineman and your only option is driving your shoulder into the quarterback's knee, maybe you should pull up.

That right there is where logic and football don't mix though. You can't tell a guy to pull up and not hit someone, especially if he's getting paid specifically to sack the QB.

[Black Ink]

I don't know. If you're a pass rusher and you get pushed down by the lineman and your only option is driving your shoulder into the quarterback's knee, maybe you should pull up.

That right there is where logic and football don't mix though. You can't tell a guy to pull up and not hit someone, especially if he's getting paid specifically to sack the QB.

How do you pull up if you're falling down? You're only option is to just fall down and give up until you get back on your feet.

[Rams]

How do you pull up if you're falling down? You're only option is to just fall down and give up until you get back on your feet.

See Vince Wilfork's and Kimo von Oelhoffen's cheap shots in recent years. For starters they could not be cheap and not hurt the QB.

I personally think that law is ridiculous too. Pedestrians should have the right of way according to the traffic situation. I mean people who walk right into the middle of the intersection on a yellow light is basically asking to be hit.

A yellow lasts what, 1~2s? How far into the road is the pedestrian going to be, and why the hell is a car speeding through a yellow at 50mph? It's not the pedestrian's fault that Stallworth was drunk and ran through him. Stallworth killed a guy and should rot in jail for the rest of his life.

[burtonbassist_101]

and why the hell is a car speeding through a yellow at 50mph?

haven't you heard of people trying to beat a light before?

[Understanding In a Crash]

A yellow lasts what, 1~2s? How far into the road is the pedestrian going to be, and why the hell is a car speeding through a yellow at 50mph? It's not the pedestrian's fault that Stallworth was drunk and ran through him. Stallworth killed a guy and should rot in jail for the rest of his life.
Um last I heard he wasn't drunk and willingly took a breathealizer. And he's not going to jail because no charges were filed aka the guy probably wasn't crossing legally.

And speeding 50mph through a yellow light is just as legal as going 25 mph through a yellow light. If he tried to brake he could of caused an accident. And if he was speeding to catch a yellow light, than who hasn't done that before.

[Illmatic]

Goodell seems to have this weird fascination with absolutely ruining football

the NFL is turning into a goddamn joke. in 5 years it's going to turn into two-hand touch football. I hear Goodell is very impressed with the "no hitting" rule in women's hockey.


See Vince Wilfork's and Kimo von Oelhoffen's cheap shots in recent years. For starters they could not be cheap and not hurt the QB.

how was von Oelhoffen's hit on Palmer a "cheap shot"? when an o-lineman shoves a defender into a quarterback's legs there's not a whole lot he can do.

[Rams]

Um last I heard he wasn't drunk and willingly took a breathealizer. And he's not going to jail because no charges were filed aka the guy probably wasn't crossing legally.

And speeding 50mph through a yellow light is just as legal as going 25 mph through a yellow light. If he tried to brake he could of caused an accident. And if he was speeding to catch a yellow light, than who hasn't done that before.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/breaking-news/story/958061.html

Not many people speed to beat a yellow and kill a man in the process.

Why people forgive drunk driving and manslaughter but want Bonds put away for life is beyond me.


how was von Oelhoffen's hit on Palmer a "cheap shot"? when an o-lineman shoves a defender into a quarterback's legs there's not a whole lot he can do.

Uhh, they made the Kimo rule because he took a cheap shot on Plamer. Wrapped up his leg so he couldn't move it and rolled into his knee.

[Black Ink]

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/breaking-news/story/958061.html

Not that I doubt it but that report isn't confirmed yet. Believe me when I say just cause a TV station reported it doesn't mean its true. I'm surprised by the wording of the article, its very poor writing. First paragraph basically said that he was drunk. Second one says they have no confirmation on it wtf. The station I work at always makes sure to be careful of its writing.

[Understanding In a Crash]

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/breaking-news/story/958061.html

Not many people speed to beat a yellow and kill a man in the process.

Why people forgive drunk driving and manslaughter but want Bonds put away for life is beyond me.

Yeah it came out that he was drunk so automatic nono.. but still not many people cross an intersection when the light is YELLOW... I don't know where you live but any state in America I'm pretty sure will not show a walking symbol when the light is yellow.

[Shell]

it's not any worse for the pedestrian to try crossing the street when his do not walk sign is starting to flash than it is for the motorist to race to cross the intersection as the light is turning yellow

rushing to beat a yellow light is not legal

[Pariah]

Where I live, when the light turns yellow, the walk signal changes from "DON'T WALK" to "C'MON NO ONE IS CLOSE ENOUGH TO HIT YOU :wink:"

[apple pie]

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/breaking-news/story/958061.html





Uhh, they made the Kimo rule because he took a cheap shot on Plamer. Wrapped up his leg so he couldn't move it and rolled into his knee.

Didnt Palmer fall back a little as well?

[MattSharpIsCool]

And speeding 50mph through a yellow light is just as legal as going 25 mph through a yellow light.

It's not legal if the speed limit is under 50mph. And, since this happened inside the city, I'm fairly positive the speed limit was not 50mph.

Although I have no clue why the guy was crossing the street before the light turned red. Pretty dumb on his part.

[Understanding In a Crash]

It's not legal if the speed limit is under 50mph. And, since this happened inside the city, I'm fairly positive the speed limit was not 50mph.

Although I have no clue why the guy was crossing the street before the light turned red. Pretty dumb on his part.
I wonder why it came out days later that he was driving under the influence... It'd be insane not to file charges.

[Reaganista]

suburbanites plz take note that no one waits for the light to change you just cross the street

[Rams]

Yeah it came out that he was drunk so automatic nono.. but still not many people cross an intersection when the light is YELLOW... I don't know where you live but any state in America I'm pretty sure will not show a walking symbol when the light is yellow.

I live in Boston where all traffic signals are optional. And yet, we don't go around killing pedestrians.

[Mute Requiem]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4012307

I'm being completely honest when I say this, but if it keeps going down this road I will absolutely give up watching the NFL. This isn't about keeping the players safe, it's about protecting the owner's assets. If they cared so much about the players' well-being they wouldn't be thinking about adding 2 more games to the schedule. **** Goodell, I hope something horrible happens to him.

[Reaganista]

another rule that will only be enforced for white qbs

[beso negro]

yea this is really getting out of hand

[MattSharpIsCool]

I don't really see anything wrong with the last two about blows to the head. It's hard to penalize someone for something that is accidental 99% of the time, but that's the direction the NFL has been going since before Goodell so at least it's consistent.

The one about the wedge and the onside kicks are stupid.

[Rams]

http://i41.tinypic.com/165ls9.gif

Someone should make this my avatar.

[MattSharpIsCool]

Now I'm Done.

[YDload]

i thought he was saying cowpie

[Pariah]

Kinda what those things taste like.

[Black Ink]

How the hell could they approve getting rid of the wedge. That's just bull ****.

[Jamais_Vu]

I am so pissed off about that "Tom Brady Rule" BS that they came up with. So you're telling me that when a defensive player is trying to sack the QB and falls down, but is close to his legs, he has to physically get up and then try to tackle him again? Why don't you just eliminate the whole defensive line while you're at it? Football is a physical contact sport and was meant to be brutal. Stop trying to make it into a pussy sport. You don't see hockey changing the rules about checking do you?

[Reaganista]

hockey has had tons of rule changes

[burtonbassist_101]

yeah well.... nobody really cares about hockey.

seriously though. no wedge? WTF? @@!(#@$@(!@$ !^@^@^@%$~!$~$!

goodell must be out to ruin football.

[Guerrilla Soldier]

hockey has had tons of rule changes

and the nhl was very upfront about the rule changes being motivated by making the game more entertaining for fans, since the strike hit them hard. the nfl's motivation is different.

and for the record, i'm in favor of the ban on more than 2 man wedges (it's not a ban on all wedges, for those who don't like to read). this isn't pee wee football here, these are human elephants running top speed. you'd **** your pants, and don't tell me otherwise.

here's a good first person perspective on what that job is like (long read but well worth it):
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/09/02/tucker/


It was in the back of my mind, however, as I lined up for my first action of the night as the "wedge-setter'' on the kickoff-return team. The collisions between the wedge and the wedge breakers are some of the most vicious in football, and it takes a special person to want to perform these duties. And I don't mean "special" in a good way, either. You have to either crave physical contact, be a little crazy, or maybe a combination of both. I looked at No. 54 for the Ravens, a rookie linebacker from Michigan named Prescott Burgess, and knew he was my likely target. As always, there was a little fear, but that fear is a good thing. I have always tried to harness that fear and use it to my advantage. Someone is going to get the better of the collision, and you are either the hitter or the hittee.

I pulled my shoulder pads forward so that my neck roll was tight against the back of my helmet, still somewhat mindful of the stinger from pre-game. I put my mouthpiece in and decided it was time. It was either going to be him or me.

The ball was kicked and I hurried to set the four-man wedge, the group of players who stay close together and run toward the opposition like a moving wall. Burgess was running down the field at me. Not many people in the world know what it is like to see a 240-pound man who probably runs a 4.6 40-yard dash bearing down at you on a 50-yard dead sprint. I got as low as possible right before impact as Burgess attempted to split the gap between myself and a fellow wedge member.

Upon impact, it was one of the best bad feelings I have ever had. The painful stinging sensation from the pinched nerve was offset by the fact that we crushed our guy and did our job to perfection. The three or four seconds of pain were worth the small victory that had just occurred. Burgess lay on the field. He hurt worse than I did. I found out the next day that he had a shoulder injury and a concussion. I take no pride in the fact that he was hurt on the play, though one thought did cross my mind. Better him than me.

[Reaganista]

except the special qb rules are never applied when dealing with black quarterbacks

[MattSharpIsCool]

I am so pissed off about that "Tom Brady Rule" BS that they came up with. So you're telling me that when a defensive player is trying to sack the QB and falls down, but is close to his legs, he has to physically get up and then try to tackle him again? Why don't you just eliminate the whole defensive line while you're at it? Football is a physical contact sport and was meant to be brutal. Stop trying to make it into a pussy sport. You don't see hockey changing the rules about checking do you?

Actually hockey has been making rule changes about hockey. Same deal, they're trying to get rid of hits to the head.

And you talk tough about how football is becoming a pussy sport, but it's easy to say that from behind a computer screen. I know I wouldn't want a 300 pound man landing his fat *** on my knee.

[Reaganista]

especially if you were white!

[Understanding In a Crash]

hockey has had tons of rule changes
MOST FOR THE BETTER though... I mean not being able to tackle someone while on the ground just because one superstar went out for the season? It happens... I'm sure he didn't mean to break his leg off.

[MattSharpIsCool]

It wasn't just because of Brady. His injury was just the most recent example of that happening to a QB.

[YDload]

except the special qb rules are never applied when dealing with black quarterbacks

because everyone knows the black quarterback is just gonna run as soon as he gets the chance :rolleyes:

[Rogue Six]

We all also know that most black QB's are actually a third running back and occasionaly they might throw the ball. and if they throw the ball it's usualy a piss poor decision.....

[Pariah]

And occasionally they hold dog fights. Doug Williams did it, too. He and Warren Moon and Randall Cunningham tore **** up.

So Goodell wants to lengthen the season to 17 or 18 games...

[Mute Requiem]

That will cause far more injuries than the things made illegal by these new rules. The rule changes are bad enough, but when Goodell says they are in the name of protecting the players and he goes and supports a longer season, it shows me he's nothing but a lying prick.

Edit: hey you deleted your post about goodell wanting to make the season longer now this looks very out of nowhere

[Pariah]

Gah I had to edit that back in because I took it out because I didn't see you mentioned it before!

He needs more money coming in apparently.

[Mute Requiem]

haha yea, but i can never get enough of bashing goodell, so i appreciate you reminding me how much of an *** he is

[Pariah]

I love watching football and would not mind an extra one or two games in regular season, but, as you said, he needs to not contradict himself regarding player safety if he's making them play more. The longer they're on the field, the more chance they have to get injured.

[Jamais_Vu]

Actually hockey has been making rule changes about hockey. Same deal, they're trying to get rid of hits to the head.

And you talk tough about how football is becoming a slightly confuzzled sea lion sport, but it's easy to say that from behind a computer screen. I know I wouldn't want a 300 pound man landing his fat *** on my knee.

I think you've missed my point.

[Understanding In a Crash]

The number of games in a season won't change... He's just saying replace 2 preseason games as 2 regular season games and only have 2 regular season games. Well atleast that will cause players to get injuried in a game that actually counts :thumb:

Still I think the NFL babies the QB's now. Some of the roughing the passer calls have been horrendous for the past 2 years.

[Black Ink]

And you talk tough about how football is becoming a slightly confuzzled sea lion sport, but it's easy to say that from behind a computer screen. I know I wouldn't want a 300 pound man landing his fat *** on my knee.

Then again if that was you, you'd be making at the least a few hundred thousand dollars just to play a game and get hurt. Lord knows no one could give a **** if the same happened to me playing a game of back yard football.

This isn't about protecting players. It's about protecting the owners investments.

[Reaganista]

white qbs

[Black Ink]

I'd agree but the Horse collar and the new Boldin rules came after black WR's went down.

[Reaganista]

wtf does boldin have to do with quarterback rules nothing

[Black Ink]

I'm not talking about just quarterback rules.

[Reaganista]

white ppl gave up wide receiver a while ago qb is the only position white ppl still have a vested racial interest in

[Black Ink]

That and kickers.

[Jamais_Vu]

Do some of you guys not understand what football is all about? Defenders thrive on tackling and nailing the QB. Like Mike Golic said, "Stop it. People get hurt. That's life." I hate you Roger Goddell. I ****ing hate you. Who gives a **** about the owners investments? You're ruining the game and making it a flag fest now. No one wants to see a game filled with flags because of stupid *** new rules. Play the game the way it was meant to be played.

[Rams]

Do some of you guys not understand what football is all about? Defenders thrive on tackling and nailing the QB. Like Mike Golic said, "Stop it. People get hurt. That's life." I hate you Roger Goddell. I ****ing hate you. Who gives a **** about the owners investments? You're ruining the game and making it a flag fest now. No one wants to see a game filled with flags because of stupid *** new rules. Play the game the way it was meant to be played.

When football was original created it was 15 on 15, 3 downs, 5 yard first downs, no quarterbacks, no helmets, players were allowed to punch and gouge each other but there was no tackling below the waist.

[Black Ink]

When football was original created it was 15 on 15, 3 downs, 5 yard first downs, no quarterbacks, no helmets, players were allowed to punch and gouge each other but there was no tackling below the waist.

That sounds awesome.

[Jamais_Vu]

That's ridiculous. So are you guys saying that you like this new rule?

[Reaganista]

That and kickers.

white people dont care about kickers white people get a sense of racial superiority from having white qbs

[Mute Requiem]

When football was original created it was 15 on 15, 3 downs, 5 yard first downs, no quarterbacks, no helmets, players were allowed to punch and gouge each other but there was no tackling below the waist.

I know it came from rugby origins so the 15 on 15 thing makes sense, but when/why did no tackling below the waist become a rule?

[Illmatic]

We all also know that most black QB's are actually a third running back and occasionaly they might throw the ball. and if they throw the ball it's usualy a piss poor decision.....

unlike white quarterbacks like brett favre and jake delhomme, who never make bad decisions.

And you talk tough about how football is becoming a slightly confuzzled sea lion sport, but it's easy to say that from behind a computer screen. I know I wouldn't want a 300 pound man landing his fat *** on my knee.

until we start seeing fines and suspensions for chop blocks there's no way this is anything other than a ridiculous double standard for babying the quarterback.

[YDload]

i dont like the idea of extending the season, i think 16 games is a nice even number. plus it will become far easier to break season records now. brady's 50 TDs, LT's 31 TDs, moss's 23 TDs... these records will become even more meaningless and fleeting than usual

[Black Ink]

Extending the season can't happen until 2011 at the soonest. Can't be done before a new CBA is nailed out and the owners haven't even consulted the players yet about it.

[Pariah]

What about that UFL? Maybe Goodell is trying to compete with it because those four teams are gonna take over, much like the XFL did.

[MattSharpIsCool]

Who gives a **** about the owners investments?

Well, the owners do. And they're the ones paying those players millions of dollars per year. So I think they should have a say in how those players are treated.

until we start seeing fines and suspensions for chop blocks there's no way this is anything other than a ridiculous double standard for babying the quarterback.

I'm not denying they baby quarterbacks. And I actually think it's a dumb rule, so I agree with you and Jamais. But it's just dumb to say "they're making it a pussy sport blah blah" when there are still 300 pound men running around at full speed knocking the crap out of each other.

[Pariah]

when there are still 300 pound men running around at full speed knocking the crap out of each other.

I saw some of the scouting combine. Some of those ~300 lb. guys can run pretty fast.

[Understanding In a Crash]

So Jay Cutler went AWOL... lol

Is he really good enough to be acting the way he has?

[Pariah]

Probably not.

I recall just like a week and a half ago when McDaniels said, "Cutler is our quarterback".

[MattSharpIsCool]

Cutler is just a whiny baby which makes sense being Mike Shanahan's protege or whatever.

[Black Ink]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090402/sp_nm/us_crime_nfl_stallworth_1

Stallworth charged with manslaughter over crash
Reuters
Wed Apr 1, 8:50 pm ET

MIAMI (Reuters) – National Football League player Donte Stallworth was charged with manslaughter on Wednesday for killing a pedestrian last month while driving after a night out at a club on Miami Beach, local media reported.

Blood tests showed Stallworth had a blood alcohol level of 0.126, well above Florida's legal limit of .08, when he hit and killed 59-year-old Mario Reyes on March 14, according to court documents made public on Wednesday.

The wide receiver with the Cleveland Browns has been charged with driving under the influence and vehicular manslaughter, the Miami Herald reported, saying he faces a maximum of 15 years in prison if convicted.

Stallworth, 28, has cooperated with authorities since the crash and was expected to surrender to authorities on Thursday morning, the newspaper said.

Stallworth was drinking at a club in the Fontainebleau hotel on Miami Beach before plowing his late-model black Bentley GT coupe into Reyes, police said.

His conversation with officers at the scene was outlined in an arrest warrant filed by a Miami Beach police detective.

[Reaganista]

.126 that's like barely drunk let him go

[YDload]

cutler has been traded to the bears for this years first and third-round picks, next year's first, and kyle orton. chicago also receives a fifth-round pick

okay...

[kingsoby1]

CHI gets: Cutler

DEN gets: Orton, 1st round 09, 1st round 09

it's official

damn, beat me

[Black Ink]

Chicago is screwed.

[Rams]

Chicago actually has someone that they can legitimately put a "QB" next to? Holy **** yes.

[hXcPLISIT]

yay the afc west gets weaker

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

hell yea

Bear down...Chicago bears!!!!

im stoked

[MattSharpIsCool]

Damn it was nice having that little girl playing for Denver so I had someone else to talk smack about when they played the Raiders.

[Crapdragoon]

lol gg afc west

[Jamais_Vu]

I think that's actually a pretty sweet deal for both teams. Bears really need a QB and Cutler can deliver seeing as how he threw for 4500 + yards and 25 TD's, while the Bronco's will end up with a great draft.

[YDload]

i dont think Cutler's going to be throwing the ball 600 times a year in Chicago though. i guess we'll see if the Bears receivers are really bad or if their QBs have just been holding them back

[Black Ink]

i dont think Cutler's going to be throwing the ball 600 times a year in Chicago though. i guess we'll see if the Bears receivers are really bad or if their QBs have just been holding them back

That's what I was thinking. Cutler may have a rocket arm but its not gonna do him any good if they can't get open and he ends up on his back all the time. I don't know much of Chicago's o-line quality.

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

Our O-line is alright. We just signed Pace so that beefs it up. The only receiver we have is Hester, who can catch and is only gonna get better, other than that Orton consistently threw to the tight ends and Matt Forte. We need another good receiver besides Hester

[ikikdababy]

Greg Olsen is a solid dude.

Not a WR, obviously, but he's a quality pass catcher.

It's too bad you guys let Bernard Berrian slip away.

[Zmev]

Bears got fleeced.

[Rams]

i dont think Cutler's going to be throwing the ball 600 times a year in Chicago though. i guess we'll see if the Bears receivers are really bad or if their QBs have just been holding them back

If McNabb can look good with Touchdown Reggie Brown, Todd Stinkston, and James Thrash, how could any quarterback ever use the excuse that their receivers make them look bad?

[Reaganista]

also mcnabb has to play with black qb rules

[YDload]

If McNabb can look good with Touchdown Reggie Brown, Todd Stinkston, and James Thrash, how could any quarterback ever use the excuse that their receivers make them look bad?

the quarterbacks themselves never say that, of course (although they will sometimes beg their GMs to draft new wideouts). it's just that not everyone can work with what they have like McNabb, so sometimes they DO need better receivers

[Rams]

also mcnabb has to play under Andy Reid

true.

[Reaganista]

that's also true but black qb rules are real

[beso negro]

mcnabb has to play with black qb rules

never heard of them did the nfl just add them wtf nothing is wrong with the game stop adding rules. the refs have more of an impact on the game every season.

[Reaganista]

the most obvious black qb rule is that late hits are allowed on black qbs

[beso negro]

wow what a dumb rule

[MattSharpIsCool]

Another black qb rule they just added is if more than 1 defender gets into the backfield, the black qb has to run the ball. If he throws the ball it's a 15 yard penalty.

[Pariah]

More AFC West news: Jeff Garcia is a Raider and Larry Johnson is probably going to be released soon...

[MattSharpIsCool]

Jeff Garcia a Raider? I like that signing.

[Pariah]

What about JaMarcus Russell?

[MattSharpIsCool]

Never hurts to have a solid backup. Let Russell start but just in case something goes bad at least now they have Garcia to back him up instead of Andrew Walter.

[Pariah]

And if they have to bring him in, hope he doesn't get too injured, since he is rather aged.

[Jaymz Hetfield]

I figured Leftwich would have made more sense for the Raiders as a backup....as he has similar arm strength and size(and blackness) to Russell.

Garcia still has some game....but I don't see him as much of an Al Davis QB. He needs to be in a WCO.

[Reaganista]

Another black qb rule they just added is if more than 1 defender gets into the backfield, the black qb has to run the ball. If he throws the ball it's a 15 yard penalty.

intentional grounding is 10 yards and loss of down but ur right it is called more often and enforced more strictly against black qbs

[hXcPLISIT]

wtf is KC gonna do, have an even WORSE yr this yr?

[MattSharpIsCool]

intentional grounding is 10 yards and loss of down but ur right it is called more often and enforced more strictly against black qbs

It's actually a new rule called "intentional passing". If a black QB is under pressure and throws the ball to a receiver it's a 15 yard penalty.

Second time he does it he's framed for a dog fighting ring and is sent to jail for 18 months.

[Reaganista]

ya w/e

[YDload]

I’ve been trying to figure out how to get back in, and it just amazes me that I’m not on somebody’s roster. I’ve been throwing two or three times a week, and every time I go out there to throw, I can’t believe I’m not a backup somewhere. I know it’s a young man’s game, but you can’t tell me I’m not better than some of the quarterbacks that are out there. I look at teams like Minnesota or Chicago, and I want to scream at the people in charge, ‘What are you thinking?’ ”

-jeff george

[Pariah]

Hahahaha. He has to be kidding.

[MattSharpIsCool]

I don't know I think he has a point. I think Jeff George could outplay some of the 2nd and 3rd stringers that are in the league right now.

[Rams]

I'd rather have someone who's unproven than someone who's proven to be Jeff George.

[Jaymz Hetfield]

Jeff George should join the UFL.

[Reaganista]

jeff george should join the UFCW

[Guerrilla Soldier]

09 season scheduled released.... i think patriots could go undefeated again. though their division is tougher now than it was in 07.

[burtonbassist_101]

i wish they would've in '07. **** the giants and anybody who looks like them.

i'm wondering how my packers will handle the 3-4 conversion. and excited.

[Against Miik!]

3-4 seems to fail more often than not. The Patriots just had the right personnel that fit perfectly into the system. It's not for every team.

[YDload]

yeah 3-4 is not some magical solution to all your defensive problems. for one things, its hard to find 3-4 D-linemen coming out of college because so few schools run anything like it. true nose tackles are the toughest to get, and there's only one good one coming out this year (Raji) and he's gonna have a bunch of potential 3-4 teams trying to get him

[ikikdababy]

Ron Brace and Sammie Lee Hill also have the size and power to play NT.

[Understanding In a Crash]

John Madden is officially done... I'm pretty sad about this after all the rules changes in all. Some of his quotes were the funniest and best things probably said in a sporting event...

"When he comes... he comes HARD"
And who else is going to be able to explain wtf a turduckett really is? AND THEN CUT IT WITH HIS HAND.

P.S. - and who is going to fell me to run a FB Blast everytime it's 4th and goal when I hit X and "ASK MADDEN"?

[Crapdragoon]

my boys play the afc west in the regular season? ahahahah easy games.

[Black Ink]

my boys play the afc west in the regular season? ahahahah easy games.

I'm seeing the Cowboys play the Redskins Nov. 22nd in Texas. :cool:

http://www.cowboysportstours.com/home-washington-redskins.htm

That's the pack we've booked.

[YDload]

my boys play the afc west in the regular season? ahahahah easy games.

you played the NFC west last year and went 2-2

[Pariah]

Maybe Romo will go down quickly and you can have Jon Kitna start. :)

[Black Ink]

Maybe Romo will go down quickly and you can have Jon Kitna start. :)

Why the first half of the season is when he's at his best.

[Crapdragoon]

I'm seeing the Cowboys play the Redskins Nov. 22nd in Texas. :cool:

http://www.cowboysportstours.com/home-washington-redskins.htm

That's the pack we've booked.


nice!


i might go up to oakland to see the preseason game against the raiders....

thats only if my bro is still living up in the bay though, hes planning on coming back down to so cal.


eventually i'd like to go to dallas and check out the new stadium.

[ikikdababy]

you played the NFC west last year and went 2-2

lol. burn.

[hXcPLISIT]

yeah dont hate on the afc west dallas fagboy

[guitrguy]

I wonder how high the Jets are going to trade up to draft Mark Sanchez

[Pariah]

Brian!!!

[ikikdababy]

I wonder how high the Jets are going to trade up to draft Mark Sanchez

Hopefully to the #3. 1st, 2nd, 3rd and next years first...

Come on Jets... Pay the Chiefs a king's ransom. I demand it.

[MattSharpIsCool]

Why would the Chiefs trade down though? Aren't they pretty set on taking Aaron Curry?

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

that's what i thought, it makes sense but you never know

[guitrguy]

Hopefully to the #3. 1st, 2nd, 3rd and next years first...

Come on Jets... Pay the Chiefs a king's ransom. I demand it.

I'm kind of hoping they trade Allan Faneca to the Rams. Long shot I know, but I can still wish.

[MattSharpIsCool]

I'm kind of hoping they trade Allan Faneca to the Rams. Long shot I know, but I can still wish.

Allan Faneca to the Rams for the #2 overall pick?

Keep wishing man. Faneca is a good guard but no one's trading that high of a pick to get him.

[guitrguy]

draft pick that high all that valuable due to guaranteed money tied to it. If they swaped picks and faneca it could work. The Rams have a high second rounder to fall back on. This won't happen though.

[Against Miik!]

I wonder how high the Jets are going to trade up to draft Mark Sanchez

Theres talk about Cleveland taking Sanchez at five because Mangini basically wants to clean house and start over.

Apparently, Quinn and Edwards are each worth a first round pick, so trading both of them would give the Browns 3 first rounders. If the Jets couldn't get Sanchez, would they settle for taking Quinn for their first round pick? I mean certainly Quinn is better than Josh Freeman, even though he only has a handful of games under his belt.

Best case scenario, Browns trade Quinn to Washington and take Aaron Maybin at 13, and trade Edwards to New York and hopefully snag Jeremy Maclin, although he may not drop that low. Edwards, also, is probably worth more than just a first round.

It is pretty tempting to not trade Edwards though, and just trade Quinn, take Crabtree at 5 and Moreno or Wells at 13 with Washingtons pick or something. Of course they have defensive needs too, but that would be a pretty fun offense to watch, assuming Anderson can play like a pro bowler again.

[guitrguy]

I think cleveland would be better suited taking wells or moreno. Lewis is definitely on the back end of his career. Supposedly cleveland is pretty close to making a deal with giants for edwards. They should also get rid of one the QBs,. they could possibly pick up a draft pick to cover the loss of edwards.

[Against Miik!]

You don't mean Wells or Moreno at 5, do you? That is another option Cleveland has, is trading away that number 5 pick. Unfortunately, that 5 pick isn't that attractive because the only person teams would trade that far up to get is Sanchez, and if he isn't going at 5, he isn't going at 6 or 7 either. So the only thing the Browns can do is make it seem as if they WILL take Sanchez unless they can get a deal. So trading down the 5th pick, trading Quinn, trading Edwards, would give them a slew of mid range 1st round picks, which is perfect, I think, and at least 2 good second round picks.

The only thing that sucks is that with Edwards gone, they would have NO recievers. Luckily though the reciever class is pretty deep this year even after Crabtree and Maclin. There aren't any dominating superstars, but there is some quality.

[ikikdababy]

Why would the Chiefs trade down though? Aren't they pretty set on taking Aaron Curry?


I don't think the Chiefs are set on Curry.

He'll definitely be in the discussion, but if the Jets ante up, Pioli isn't afraid to trade down. He'll get value or he'll take the best player on his board.

That could well be Curry. If we stay at three, we get Jason Smith, Aaron Curry, or Michael Crabtree and we win because those are the three best players in the draft, in my opinion.

That said, if anyone wants to overpay for the #3 pick, we'll likely pull the trigger. Two starters is better than one for the Chiefs who are several players away from being competitive.

[ikikdababy]

You don't mean Wells or Moreno at 5, do you? That is another option Cleveland has, is trading away that number 5 pick. Unfortunately, that 5 pick isn't that attractive because the only person teams would trade that far up to get is Sanchez, and if he isn't going at 5, he isn't going at 6 or 7 either. So the only thing the Browns can do is make it seem as if they WILL take Sanchez unless they can get a deal. So trading down the 5th pick, trading Quinn, trading Edwards, would give them a slew of mid range 1st round picks, which is perfect, I think, and at least 2 good second round picks.

The only thing that sucks is that with Edwards gone, they would have NO recievers. Luckily though the reciever class is pretty deep this year even after Crabtree and Maclin. There aren't any dominating superstars, but there is some quality.

The Browns will have a shot at LeSean McCoy or Shonn Greene at #5 in the second round. Possibly Donald Brown too. I can't imagine they would reach for Wells or Moreno with all that DL talent on the board at 5 overall.