cpr training

[Babble]

simple question:

Does a person with cpr certification have a legal duty to perform cpr if cpr is possible like that of a first responder or EMT in the case of an emergency

[Aaron]

My understanding of the concept is that people who have professional training also have a moral obligation to do no harm, and that includes not treating people that they can within their "duty of care", however the legal implications are not black in white and it depends on the relationship between the people [ie if they're the injured person's carer or parent] and the circumstances to the injury and environment [is there a perceived treat to the person at the scene]. Context is the key I guess.

[Shell]

If you happen upon an emergency situation, you are not legally required to perform CPR. However, if you do, there are good samaritan laws that protect you from law suit. Unless you do something completely negligent, in which case you would be at risk.

I find that I get pretty jumpy any time I'm in a restaurant and a kid or old person starts coughing, and think to myself, "that little bastard better not choke" :upset:

[WhoDidTheElf]

As long as they don't have oral herpes idc.

[BridgeToSolace]

As long as they don't have oral herpes idc.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001ANL31Q?smid=A3FTKNZ9RHYKG2&tag=nextag-hpc-delta-20&linkCode=asn

They're like condoms.

For but saving lives rather than saving yourself for having to take care of a new life.

Or pay to get rid of one.

[ridethelib]

One is protected by laws as long as they act within their level of training.

So say you have a cpr card, and while giving cpr you break the person's ribs. Since you were acting within your training level, you are safe.

But, if you decide to give someone a tracheotomy to help them breathe, you miss the right area and their trachea collapses, and only have a cpr card, your gonna get bent over, as the tracheotomy procedure is not taught in cpr classes.

[Shell]

If you don't break their ribs, you aren't doing it correctly.

[Murdererer]

im choking shell i think i need assistance

[ridethelib]

If you don't break their ribs, you aren't doing it correctly.

I was using broken ribs to demonstrate my point.

[Dimmu Burger]

I would think if you got the training you would want to do it anyways. =)

[Mr. Ron]

CPR: A way to meet chix

[Berner]

CPR: A way to meet chix

and chix with dix

[ridethelib]

if thats what ur into

[Berner]

if thats what ur into

isn't everyone?

[ridethelib]

meh not really me personally but then again i guess i wouldn't mind some jerkin while im plunderin

[Berner]

meh not really me personally but then again i guess i wouldn't mind some jerkin while im plunderin

:lol:

[GreyHam]

If you happen upon an emergency situation, you are not legally required to perform CPR. However, if you do, there are good samaritan laws that protect you from law suit. Unless you do something completely negligent, in which case you would be at risk.

I find that I get pretty jumpy any time I'm in a restaurant and a kid or old person starts coughing, and think to myself, "that little bastard better not choke" :upset:

thats the way i understand it, at least in the UK. Im a member of St John Ambulance as well, so if someone sues me im insured (up to £1m legal fees i think. good peace of mind that)

rules are different in some countries. in france, first aid trained peeps DO have a legal obligation to stop and administer aid.

If you don't break their ribs, you aren't doing it correctly.

the connotations of misunderstanding that are amusing

'Damnit, his hearts stopped. You break his ribs, ill start CPR...'

[Shell]

lol

[free_thinkers_are_dangerous]

It depends where. A lot of places have Good Samaritan laws which state that as long as you're doing your best you cannot face consequences (i.e.: if you tried your best and did it wrong, you can't be sued).

Some places also have laws stating that you must step in to help someone to the extent that your own life is not in danger (meaning at the bare minimum you can almost always call 911). Some places have both these kinds of laws, some places have one or the other, some have neither. It's unlikely that you could do CPR badly enough to do more harm than good to someone who's in cardiac arrest with no other help around though. Almost impossible, really. Unless you're so bad that you're worse than brain damage in 4 minutes and near-certain death in 6.

If you're worried you should look up the laws or ask an up-to-date CPR instructor. They'll know.

[GreyHam]

the damage is more likely for someone who hasnt been trained in CPR and is potentially unable to identify whether a persons heart has stopped