Somalia

[1338 h4x0r]

Has anarchy benefited Somalia?

I reserve strong doubts. If Somalia has benefited at all under anarchism, it's only because the gubbermint it had earlier totally sucked and attempted a total command economy. I'm still not convinced slight improvements in certain quality of life factors are statistically significant because no one's given me any evidence that they are. Sadly, the one proponent of anarchy on this forum doesn't understand statistics and is thus unable to provide this kind of evidence.

Also, this question remains unresolved

http://mathildasanthropologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/somali-girls.jpg

"Which one would you do?"

Black chix aren't my thing but I'd probably hit the one all the way on your right

[Iskandar]

I don't think anyone knows exactly what's going on in Somalia anymore. The territory and the capital have changed hands so many times I'm not even sure who's winning.

This is the only reliable political map I could find and it's from Wikipedia: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/Somalia_map_states_regions_districts.png

Regardless of that, I essentially agree with you. Siad Barre was terrible, but anarchy is not much better. And to that I'd add that I'm not even sure if the country would be better off under the Islamic Courts Union or the government. Both have committed tons of atrocities.

I do think Somaliland, a territory in the north which was once British, should be independent. I mean it pretty much is already and it's the only stable part of the country. Essentially Somalia's Kurdistan.

[Mr. Ron]

one all the way to the right

oh my, I feel like I'm a feisty Portuguese sailor profiteering from the Atlantic slave trade!

[Iskandar]

Italian morelike. They were the ones who colonized Somalia. They don't seem to have left much behind except a local taste for noodles though.

[Mr. Ron]

Eh, should have known that, actually. I'm taking an African history course right now. My professor is straight from Ghana. He has a lion king voice.

[pooble]

well i have seen statistics that since the end of the civil war somalia has indeed improved and been improving in life expectancy, mortality rates, access to hospitals, access to immunizations, etc. so the statistics certainly are there.

edit: not to mention that increase in personal civil rights that has occurred with the collapse of the government as well as the end of economic trouble like inflation, taxation, massive government spending on military domination etc.

[Iskandar]

It has improved somewhat but it's still in a state of war and if the government doesn't come out on top the Islamic Courts Union will. Somalia's problems are far from over.

[pooble]

war has decreased substantially. apparently largely kept to specific areas in the country if what I have heard is correct, far better than the state of all out war that existed before.

[JohnXDoe]

imo no, it has not benefited them. and if it has its only because the previous government was poopty

i like government when just and reasonably fair to all its citizens. or it attempts to be. the opinions of whether or not it is will vary from citizen to citizen. i find mine (U.S.) to be fair and just to the best of its ability. although the republicans are pesky, we remain balanced somehow

and the one in the middle, yeah :D

[1338 h4x0r]

one all the way to the right

oh my, I feel like I'm a feisty Portuguese sailor profiteering from the Atlantic slave trade!

Yeah that was my pick, too.

Personally, I would prefer to feel like I'm a stiff Teutonic university student profiteering from the global push to promote English as a lingua franca oh shi nvm

Italian morelike. They were the ones who colonized Somalia. They don't seem to have left much behind except a local taste for noodles though.

Somalis have a fairly significant Eurasian component to their background; it's probably from long time ago. More recently they have had some Semitic admixture. Arabs and Berbers I guess

Eh, should have known that, actually. I'm taking an African history course right now. My professor is straight from Ghana. He has a lion king voice.

Yo, I told you I'd pay you fifty dollars for a tape of him saying "The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force.". Where's my tape?

[Iskandar]

war has decreased substantially. apparently largely kept to specific areas in the country if what I have heard is correct, far better than the state of all out war that existed before.Yes but this isn't because of anarchy. And piracy off the coast has seen a dramatic increase.
Somalis have a fairly significant Eurasian component to their background; it's probably from long time ago. More recently they have had some Semitic admixture. Arabs and Berbers I guess The Arabic influence is strong. The people of Ethiopia are Semites too though.
Yo, I told you I'd pay you fifty dollars for a tape of him saying "The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force.". Where's my tape?I think it's an entire planet. Not completely sure though.

[Mr. Ron]

Yeah that was my pick, too.

Personally, I would prefer to feel like I'm a stiff Teutonic university student profiteering from the global push to promote English as a lingua franca oh shi nvm



Somalis have a fairly significant Eurasian component to their background; it's probably from long time ago. More recently they have had some Semitic admixture. Arabs and Berbers I guess



Yo, I told you I'd pay you fifty dollars for a tape of him saying "The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force.". Where's my tape?
haha I'll get on that

[1338 h4x0r]

Yes but this isn't because of anarchy. And piracy off the coast has seen a dramatic increase.

'Piracy' is such a strong word ... 'increased free trade' sounds more appropriate in this context

[Iskandar]

Oh yes. A complete lack of government - a totally free market at last. And don't forget those private defense agencies (clan militias). They are doing an excellent job of providing polycentric law (in that each seems to have a different interpretation of what the law should be and they are competing over it, notably with rifles and rocket launchers).

[Aaron]

The piracy is an interesting issue, isn't it. I'm not sure morally I find it a bad thing, as they need resources so badly.

[Iskandar]

They do but piracy is keeping out foreign investment and and contributing to the instability of the region.

[1338 h4x0r]

Yes but the magic of the market will produce appropriate equilibrium quantities and prices for pirate booty on the black market

It's like you never see the good in anything, Alex

[Iskandar]

We've just got to see those warring factions as an extension of the market. They're just competing, and competition is always good.

[1338 h4x0r]

I can't wait until siva sees this thread

[Iskandar]

He'll probably take us completely seriously and write up a 8000-word essay on how we're all evil totalitarian state socialists.

[sLarkin20]

Wait, can we talk about Somalian Girls Gone Wild here?

[1338 h4x0r]

Why not; the title of the thread is 'Somalia' after all.

[hismajestythepope]

The piracy is an interesting issue, isn't it. I'm not sure morally I find it a bad thing, as they need resources so badly.

this, also, it totally gives me a hard on

[siva_chair]

From other thread:

Yeah, because the government collapsed fairly recently after all. Maybe Somalia life expectancy will be 37.4 after a full generation under anarchy, but I guess you didn't consider that.

Yeah almost two decades. Fairly recently. :rolleyes:

To put into perspecive: in the US, the life expectancy has only risen 2 years in the last 20 years as well.

You still haven't shown that these changes are statistically significant.

And you haven't addressed anything in the paper. Especially the part that shows how your original assertion is wrong.

Has anarchy benefited Somalia?

I reserve strong doubts. If Somalia has benefited at all under anarchism, it's only because the gubbermint it had earlier totally sucked and attempted a total command economy. I'm still not convinced slight improvements in certain quality of life factors are statistically significant because no one's given me any evidence that they are. Sadly, the one proponent of anarchy on this forum doesn't understand statistics and is thus unable to provide this kind of evidence.

Yes, only slight improvements like vastly improved infrastructure, civil rights, access to healthcare, more schools, etc. But those had to have come about by a state, right?!?!?

How many times are you going to avoid the fact that your original assertion was wrong? Even IF the slight raise in average life expectancy is only some natural deviation, it is a FACT that they are still significantly better off than they were.

Yes but this isn't because of anarchy. And piracy off the coast has seen a dramatic increase.

Yeah I suppose it was due to humanitarian efforts by the UN going in there with their guns and stirring **** up on multiple occasions in the last two decades, right?

There is an easy way to get rid of piracy in the region, and it doesn't involve a state.

Oh yes. A complete lack of government - a totally free market at last. And don't forget those private defense agencies (clan militias). They are doing an excellent job of providing polycentric law (in that each seems to have a different interpretation of what the law should be and they are competing over it, notably with rifles and rocket launchers).

It appears they are doing far better at providing security than their previous state did.

[hismajestythepope]

I don't see much of a difference...

[1338 h4x0r]

Yeah I suppose it was due to humanitarian efforts by the UN going in there with their guns and stirring **** up on multiple occasions in the last two decades, right?

There is an easy way to get rid of piracy in the region, and it doesn't involve a state.

More guuuuuuns I'll bet

[siva_chair]

More guuuuuuns I'll bet

People shipping things through the region need to hire Blackwater or something similar.

[1338 h4x0r]

Everyone just hire their own private thug army. Problem solved!

[hismajestythepope]

I support this idea!

[siva_chair]

Everyone just hire their own private thug army. Problem solved!

Defense firm.

[hismajestythepope]

Or we could just go in, in force and wreck face.

[1338 h4x0r]

Defense firm.

'Mercenaries'

[siva_chair]

'Mercenaries'

And?

[1338 h4x0r]

http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=mercenary+abuse

[siva_chair]

Oh wow because we all know states, state militaries, police, and the like have NEVER done anything that could be considered abuse, amirite?

[1338 h4x0r]

I agree, but they're still better than everyone having his own thug army.

Also, the military and police wings of social democracies tend to be near ideal.

[siva_chair]

I agree, but they're still better than everyone having his own thug army.

Hardly.

Also, the military and police wings of social democracies tend to be near ideal.

Lol.

[1338 h4x0r]

What rife abuses are being committed by the military and police of Sweden, for example?

[siva_chair]

What rife abuses are being committed by the military and police of Sweden, for example?

Probably none worth noting.

It still doesn't follow that "social democracy" is benign. But that's ok, you go move to Sweden.

[1338 h4x0r]

Anywhere far enough from Bum****, Kansas would be decent tbh

Electricity and indoor plumbing are pluses too

[siva_chair]

Anywhere far enough from Bum****, Kansas would be decent tbh

It's ok, no one wants you here anyway.

Electricity and indoor plumbing are pluses too

Yeah, they are nice. Have had them all my life.

[1338 h4x0r]

It's ok, no one wants you here anyway.

That's cool

Why would I want to go anywhere near Bum****, KS, anyway? Even Fuzhou sounds more exciting.

Yeah, they are nice. Have had them all my life.

When I said 'electricity' and 'indoor plumbing', I didn't have a light bulb powered by a potato and a chamber pot in mind. These do not count. And don't tell me you have utilities like the H. sapiens-inhabited world cuz I know you're lying.

[siva_chair]

That's cool

Why would I want to go anywhere near Bum****, KS, anyway? Even Fuzhou sounds more exciting.

You should go there then.

When I said 'electricity' and 'indoor plumbing', I didn't have a light bulb powered by a potato and a chamber pot in mind. These do not count. And don't tell me you have utilities like the H. sapiens-inhabited world cuz I know you're lying.

Yeah because this computer I am on is really running on a potato.

How do we ever run our aircraft industry!?!?

[1338 h4x0r]

You should go there then.

Actually, Fuzhou is pretty decent in the scheme of things, but the problem is that it's the capital of a mudhole area. That's still better than Kansas tho.

Yeah because this computer I am on is really running on a potato.

Via hardware is getting awfully efficient these days. Go Taiwan

How much do they charge for tin can-and-string Internet connections out in Bum**** by the way?

How do we ever run our aircraft industry!?!?

That means diddly. The transistor was invented in my hometown, and look at what a piece of **** that place is.

I'll bet Bum****, KS doesn't even have its own Billy Joel song.

[siva_chair]

Actually, Fuzhou is pretty decent in the scheme of things, but the problem is that it's the capital of a mudhole area. That's still better than Kansas tho.

Yes because it is obvious you have been here.

Via hardware is getting awfully efficient these days. Go Taiwan

How much do they charge for tin can-and-string Internet connections out in Bum**** by the way?

$20 a month for broadband.

That means diddly. The transistor was invented in my hometown, and look at what a piece of **** that place is.

Hey I'm not the one that is trying desperately to start some sort of pissing contest based on location.

I'll bet Bum****, KS doesn't even have its own Billy Joel song.

Nope we have a platinum selling band named after our state.

[1338 h4x0r]

Yes because it is obvious you have been here.

I flew over it once.

That was enough.

$20 a month for broadband.

By broadband I guess you mean the string connecting the tin cans is really thick?

Hey I'm not the one that is trying desperately to start some sort of pissing contest based on location.

LOL INTERNETS SRS BUSINESS

Nope we have a platinum selling band named after our state.

...and they suck even harder than Billy Joel

[siva_chair]

I flew over it once.

That was enough.

Probably in a plane that was built in Kansas. Awesome.

By broadband I guess you mean the string connecting the tin cans is really thick?

I don't know we would be pretty magic if we could produce internet connection through a simple string and tin can configuration.

LOL INTERNETS SRS BUSINESS

So says the idiot that creates a thread on an internet forum asking strangers what he should be when he grows up.

...and they suck even harder than Billy Joel

Lol black metal.

[hismajestythepope]

#1. chris doesn't listen to black metal anymore
#2. grow some balls, both of you, ****ing inelite kikelings

[siva_chair]

#1. chris doesn't listen to black metal anymore

He seems to be quite the indecisive little **** doesn't he?

[1338 h4x0r]

Probably in a plane that was built in Kansas. Awesome.

Airbuses are built in Europe AFAIK

I don't know we would be pretty magic if we could produce internet connection through a simple string and tin can configuration.

And yet it must be that way

So says the idiot that creates a thread on an internet forum asking strangers what he should be when he grows up.

And they've given me good ideas, sucker

Lol black metal.

I very rarely listen to black metal anymore, more electronic: Triarii, Jean-Michel Jarre, Arditi, Celestial, etc.

But I wonder why someone who prides himself on being a rugged individualist listens to a crappy commercial arena rock band

He seems to be quite the indecisive little **** doesn't he?

Changing tastes is fairly normal

There again you are at the wrong end of the bell curve in more ways than one, so I wouldn't expect you to understand that

[siva_chair]

Airbuses are built in Europe AFAIK

Lol one of Airbus' largest design and engineering centers is in KS. I don't know what model of Airbus you flew on, but chances are if it was a A340 or A380 it was designed in "Bum****" KS.

And yet it must be that way

Sounds like we are much more at utilizing our resources than you are, then.

And they've given me good ideas, sucker

It's ok you will just change your mind in about a month or two.

I very rarely listen to black metal anymore, more electronic: Triarii, Jean-Michel Jarre, Arditi, Celestial, etc.

But I wonder why someone who prides himself on being a rugged individualist listens to a crappy commercial arena rock band

I wonder why someone who claims to be so very intelligent keeps assuming lots and lots of things about people he doesn't know.

[Iskandar]

Okay your pissing matches are very entertaining but can you guys take it elsewhere? Please?

[1338 h4x0r]

Lol one of Airbus' largest design and engineering centers is in KS. I don't know what model of Airbus you flew on, but chances are if it was a A340 or A380 it was designed in "Bum****" KS.

No, this one wasn't falling apart in the sky

Also, their facility is in Wichita, not Bum****. I imagine low cost has something to do with that, as no one really wants to be in Kansas for any other reason.

Sounds like we are much more at utilizing our resources than you are, then.

Is English your first language?

It's ok you will just change your mind in about a month or two.

Half of all college students change their major at least once.

And as it so happens, I only changed it once.

So this is unusual how?

I wonder why someone who claims to be so very intelligent

Where did I claim that

It seems I've struck a nerve with you

Nice try, Corporal Assburgers

[Iskandar]

Guys, they invented AIM for a reason. Don't make me close this thread.

[Knifeboy]

an aim convo between those two would end up in hot steaming man e-sex

[siva_chair]

No, this one wasn't falling apart in the sky

Also, their facility is in Wichita, not Bum****. I imagine low cost has something to do with that, as no one really wants to be in Kansas for any other reason.

That is hilarious because I live in Wichita. Do you feel like an *** yet?

Is English your first language?

Indeed.

Half of all college students change their major at least once.

And as it so happens, I only changed it once.

So this is unusual how?

I'm sure half of all college students feel the need to ask strangers on the internet what they should do when they grow up, too.

Where did I claim that

It seems I've struck a nerve with you

Nice try, Corporal Assburgers

OMG I know statistics I am an authority on them. I read lots of mathematics books and the like so it's clear that I know more about all these things than anyone else on these forums.

If you don't think yourself intelligent, you sure as hell have a large ego-centric personality that gives off that impression.

[1338 h4x0r]

Guys, they invented AIM for a reason. Don't make me close this thread.

I hit 'quote post' before you posted that warning. That being said, I have to get in a few more words edgewise before I retire this ****

I'm sure half of all college students feel the need to ask strangers on the internet what they should do when they grow up, too.

http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/

bada bing

[siva_chair]

Guys, they invented AIM for a reason. Don't make me close this thread.

Close it. Go ahead.

[1338 h4x0r]

:lol:

[Mr. Ron]

Defense firm.
hired guns are people of questionable morality tbh

[Iskandar]

They already have private defense contractors in Somalia. They're called warlords.

[1338 h4x0r]

Yeah who would have guessed that people who accept money to gun down people they don't know might have loose morals

[Mr. Ron]

js!

[Iskandar]

Guys having militias compete over territory is a brilliant solution to Somalia's problems. It worked so well for Lebanon, Afghanistan and Iraq too. If only the big bad state hadn't been trying to restore order in those countries.

[1338 h4x0r]

I think the market, not the government, should determine the equilibrium quantity and price of bullet-riddled corpses

[Iskandar]

No see leaving Somalia to the warlords is the only way we can secure liberty for its people.

[siva_chair]

hired guns are people of questionable morality tbh

Then what do you call people who join a state military?

No see leaving Somalia to the warlords is the only way we can secure liberty for its people.

No, you're right, the UN should take it's humanitarian goal and intervene as soon as possible. It isn't like that hasn't ever gone wrong. The UN needs to pick out a ruler for these various tribal entities and democracy must prevail in this country. Fighting between the various sects will magically stop once there is a democracy with divided political factions all vying for total control of the state apparatus. That can't go wrong at all!

[Iskandar]

divided political factions all vying for total control of the state apparatus.

Oh you mean exactly what's going on right now?

[1338 h4x0r]

Then what do you call people who join a state military?

People who join the military usually have some kind of ideal, right or wrong, and don't just want money

[siva_chair]

Oh you mean exactly what's going on right now?

Oh you mean except for the fact that in absence of a democracy they don't possess the means to do so?

People who join the military usually have some kind of ideal, right or wrong, and don't just want money

People who join mercenary groups typically have an ideal. It's called making money.

It is clear that ships could benefit greatly from hiring such people for defense of their vessels in this region.

[Iskandar]

Oh you mean except for the fact that in absence of a democracy they don't possess the means to do so?
Oh you mean except for when the Islamic Courts Union defeats the government and establishes a theocracy?
It is clear that ships could benefit greatly from hiring such people for defense of their vessels in this region.Oh you mean from the rampant piracy in the region caused by the total breakdown of social order?

[siva_chair]

Oh you mean except for when the Islamic Courts Union defeats the government and establishes a theocracy?

Oh you mean that hypothetical situation you have no way of accurately predicting?

In your precious UN imposed democracy, the Islamic Courts would probably have even more power than they do now. Unfortunately, due to UN and Ethiopian involvement in the area, the Islamic factions have GAINED in popular support.

Oh you mean from the rampant piracy in the region caused by the total breakdown of social order?

Oh you mean the fact that is a perfectly viable solution. People only engage in piracy because it is profitable. Once they start getting the **** kicked out of them there will be a large disincentive for them to stop, as it will become economically unsustainable.

[Iskandar]

(we'll ignore how the value of currency is kept stable for simplicity)Gold, my friend. Nazi gold.
Unfortunately, due to UN and Ethiopian involvement in the area, the Islamic factions have GAINED in popular support.Oh yes and by that logic the Ethiopian withdrawal means their support will dwindle.

Wait, nope, sorry, they're even more powerful because of that.

[siva_chair]

Gold, my friend. Nazi gold.

Does the job much better than paper fiat money.

Unless you call rampant inflation stable money.

[Angmar]

People only engage in piracy because it is profitable. Once they start getting the **** kicked out of them there will be a large disincentive for them to stop, as it will become economically unsustainable.

Yeah because that has definitely happened already in places like China with tons of piracy, isn't speculation AWESOME?

[1338 h4x0r]

Yes let's ignore the fact that this is a blatant aggression against the property of another. Good try though.

If you don't do it, someone else will

Let the market decide ethics

[Iskandar]

I wonder if he realizes we're all trolling him yet.

Internets is serious business.

[siva_chair]

Yeah because that has definitely happened already in places like China with tons of piracy, isn't speculation AWESOME?

It isn't speculation though, it is fact.

[Angmar]

It hasn't happened yet, but it is fact.

[siva_chair]

If you don't do it, someone else will

Let the market decide ethics

The free market is derived from ethics.

I wonder if he realizes we're all trolling him yet.

Internets is serious business.

I wonder if you are going to ever start being a good moderator.

[siva_chair]

It hasn't happened yet, but it is fact.

A priori.

[Iskandar]

Tu quoque, Brute?

[1338 h4x0r]

Well, A = A

Therefore the market should decide everything

I learned it when I read Atlas Shrugged

[Angmar]

I think the lesson to be learned here can be summed up quicky:

-Somalia is a anarchist paradise without any of those horrid communist policies like welfare or public education, you live a short life but a happy one because you won't be under control of der evil dictatorship ov democracy, and, no fat chicks.

[Angmar]

More like heil no communist pigdogs!

[Iskandar]

I think the lesson to be learned here can be summed up quicky:

-Somalia is a anarchist paradise without any of those horrid communist policies like welfare or public education, you live a short life but a happy one because you won't be under control of der evil dictatorship ov democracy, and, no fat chicks.I mean, life expectancy went from 46 to 48, and GDP per capita went from $300 to $500. Clearly they're doing something right.
Therefore the market should decide everythingYeah, like who controls which territories! I hear there's a burgeoning market for real estate in Mogadishu.

[1338 h4x0r]

More like heil no communist pigdogs!

Auf das somalische Volk SIEG HEIL!

[unending stormy chorus of Sieg Heils]

[1338 h4x0r]

Because nobody has the right to initiate aggression against another's person or property.

Who's to say that?

Let the market decide

[mph4ever]

Because nobody has the right to initiate aggression against another's person or property.

and if they all respect this then the world would be a better place

its a fundamental, its required, its anarchy

[Mr. Ron]

I always wondered what a modern feudal society would look like

[siva_chair]

and if they all respect this then the world would be a better place

its a fundamental, its required, its anarchy

All it takes is the courts to uphold this.

Yes, private courts.

[mph4ever]

I always wondered what a modern feudal society would look like


super****ingbowl - don't ya know

[1338 h4x0r]

All it takes is the courts to uphold this.

Yes, private courts.

AHAHAHAHAHA

I guess you want fire companies to be private too

Like they were in Roman times

That worked out so well

[Mr. Ron]

private courts? You're just asking for corruption

[Angmar]

Private courts:

"If you wanna show up that's cool, if not well nothing we can do."

[Iskandar]

Guys I won't rest until we've privatized the sky itself. I'm sick of Big Atmosphere having a monopoly on oxygen.

[1338 h4x0r]

This thread has jumped the shark

[Mr. Ron]

"The jury of the private court of Albany NY find you, Ron, guilty of trespassing on private property, and are sentenced to death by firing squad."

[Angmar]

Guys I won't rest until we've privatized the sky itself. I'm sick of Big Atmosphere having a monopoly on oxygen.

Abolish public oxygen.

[Knifeboy]

"The jury of the private court of Albany NY find you, Ron, guilty of trespassing on private property, and are sentenced to death by firing squad."

No the legal system works on restitution so they get to trespass on your property

[Iskandar]

Hahaha.

Okay, votes to close this thread or keep it open? I am a mod of the people after all.

[1338 h4x0r]

Just ****ing shoot it in the head

[siva_chair]

http://mises.org/books/chaostheory.pdf

[Iskandar]

I can't speak for others but I know I never read those.

That's one vote to close. I will if it gets three. Any others?

[siva_chair]

I can't speak for others but I know I never read those.

That's one vote to close. I will if it gets three. Any others?

Which is why you consistently misrepresent my views when discussing things with me.

[Iskandar]

I am familiar with libertarian thought. It goes like this: "Markets good, government bad."

[1338 h4x0r]

So, Chaos Theory, huh? Yeah, it’s not actually about chaos theory, but it is a really cool title. And the book itself—may be the most important to date on anarchist theory and its possible application to the “real world.”

Glib, misapplied reference to trendy field of information theory, followed by shameless self-promotion

I stopped reading there

[siva_chair]

Glib, misapplied reference to trendy field of information theory, followed by shameless self-promotion

I stopped reading there

Except the author didn't write that, that was an introduction. But since you stopped reading I can see how you would jump to that retarded and ignorant conclusion.

[1338 h4x0r]

siva_chair, you know about economics, right? The opportunity cost of reading 59 pages of **** is 59 pages of the actually good micro text I am reading

[Angmar]

private courts

[1338 h4x0r]

private courts

That's the punchline ... and there's nothing else

[Iskandar]

Do I hear two more votes for close?

[Angmar]

No, voting is a tool of the state, abolish voting.

[1338 h4x0r]

Let's settle this dispute in the Somali way

With RPG-7's and AK's

[Mr. Ron]

Let's settle this dispute in the Somali way

With RPG-7's and AK's
I'd be up for that, I'm bored

[Angmar]

I'm game

[siva_chair]

siva_chair, you know about economics, right? The opportunity cost of reading 59 pages of **** is 59 pages of the actually good micro text I am reading

ITT people comment about things they haven't read.

[Mr. Ron]

the funny thing is I'm probably buying an AK soon >_>

[Angmar]

Definitely worth the time to read all 59 pages ya.

Ron: isn't that, illegal? :amaze:

[siva_chair]

Definitely worth the time to read all 59 pages ya.

Ron: isn't that, illegal? :amaze:

Well it certainly keeps you from looking like a total *** if you read it before you comment on it.

[Mr. Ron]

Definitely worth the time to read all 59 pages ya.

Ron: isn't that, illegal? :amaze:
no as long as it is semi-automatic and meets certain requirements. Its totally legal.

http://www.arsenalinc.com/slr107f.htm

[1338 h4x0r]

ITT people comment about things they haven't read.

I haven't read Bill O'Reilly's novel but I'm willing to bet that it sucks

Definitely worth the time to read all 59 pages ya.

Ron: isn't that, illegal? :amaze:

Not anymore

[siva_chair]

I haven't read Bill O'Reilly's novel but I'm willing to bet that it sucks

Good thing that wasn't written by Bill O'Reilly.

[1338 h4x0r]

Bad thing it's on mises.org

That's like linking us to a Stormfront post and saying, "Hey guys, check this out! It's 100% true!"

[Angmar]

no as long as it is semi-automatic and meets certain requirements. Its totally legal.

http://www.arsenalinc.com/slr107f.htm

word

[siva_chair]

Bad thing it's on mises.org

That's like linking us to a Stormfront post and saying, "Hey guys, check this out! It's 100% true!"

Oh so you don't know what you are talking about. I see.

[1338 h4x0r]

siva_chair does not sleep. He lies awake in regret.

[IbanezArtist]

don't know what mises.org is but it doesn't look very credible. Looks like some dipshit from alabama with a bachelors degree in jerking off made a website about *** raping his cousin and why it's ok as long as you mark out the part in the bible that says not to with a MAGIC marker.

[siva_chair]

ITT people make assertions about things they have no clue of.

[1338 h4x0r]

siva_chair jacks off to Pottery Barn.

[IbanezArtist]

Actually I read it and it sounds like a bunch of bullshit from some Alabama college student who has no clue what he's talking about and lives in a dream world where capitalism is actually a good idea.

[IbanezArtist]

siva_chair jacks off to Pottery Barn.

Big lol'd.

[IbanezArtist]

Actually I read it and it sounds like a bunch of bullpoop from some Alabama college students who has no clue what he's talking about and lives in a dream world where capitalism is actually a good idea.

Bump.

[siva_chair]

Actually I read it and it sounds like a bunch of bullpoop from some Alabama college student who has no clue what he's talking about and lives in a dream world where capitalism is actually a good idea.

Yeah human progress is definitely a bad idea.

[IbanezArtist]

True socialism would be human progress, capitalism would be selfish individual progress.

[1338 h4x0r]

I'm not in favor in socialism, myself, but not this anarcho-capitalist bullpoop either

Also:

siva_chair orders the "side salad with low-fat dressing" at a BBQ joint.

[siva_chair]

True socialism would be human progress, capitalism would be selfish individual progress.

Oh wow someone doesn't understand **** about economics.

Socialism has just done wonders for the past century hasn't it? True human progress there, I tell ya.

[IbanezArtist]

As one who has family who have benefited firsthand from the development of socialized medicine and healthcare in Germany, I can't argue against it, it makes life good.

No I don't know much about economics but my grandma says her hospital trips cost her gas only and they did a really good job at finding and eradicating her cancer for free.

TBH you can't argue with that.


Whereas my American grandfather had cancer and experienced health care in America WITH insurance and died leaving my grandmother with over 100,000$ in hospital bills.

Pretty sure socialism wins.

Also my cousins in Germany who go to college for next to nothing without third party or institutional scholarships.

Not only that, but the German public education system, which is socialized and evil, ranks consistently above ours.

[1338 h4x0r]

Oh wow someone doesn't understand **** about economics.

Few economists believe there should not be some state intervention in the economy.

[siva_chair]

Few economists believe there should not be some state intervention in the economy.

And?

People can be wrong, you know.

[IbanezArtist]

You yourself are a prime example.

Go jack off to Pottery Barn, jeez.

[Already_Taken]

somalia is paradise. with no one to tell you what to do, or anyone else, think of the possibilities.

[1338 h4x0r]

And?

People can be wrong, you know.

It's harder to yell "argumentum ad populum" when we're focusing on a group of people with relevant expertise and experience.

[siva_chair]

It's harder to yell "argumentum ad populum" when we're focusing on a group of people with relevant expertise and experience.

It's also pretty clear that orthodox economists have a long track record of epic fail when it comes to predicting and preventing economic crisis.

[IbanezArtist]

Not really. Everyone knows that our current system works on boom and bust.

Also everyone knows you've never had a girlfriend and will spend the rest of your life alone in your parents basement wearing a long black trenchcoat organizing underground movements of 16 year old AP Government students who think they have the ability to lead an American rebellion into anarchy by overthrowing the government, then just stopping doing anything whatsoever.

[1338 h4x0r]

siva_chair sucks dick for cab fare and then walks home.

[IbanezArtist]

...and jacks off to Pottery Barn

[1338 h4x0r]

Combo insult

[IbanezArtist]

He jacks off to pottery barn WHILE walking home.

After he takes it in the *** from the '97 Denver Broncos.

[1338 h4x0r]

siva_chair was once trapped in a paper bag for three days.

[IbanezArtist]

Was it wet?

[1338 h4x0r]

It was as wet as the hummer he gave to Samwell just last week.

Maybe he's wrong about anarcho-capitalism, but he sure does know how to pleasure men.

[IbanezArtist]

Very true :D

[utstarcom]

Not really. Everyone knows that our current system works on boom and bust.