Have you ever interacted with someone you know is a child molester

[Jude]

I have

At my internship this guy molested some kid, maybe more, anyways my internship is a community mental health center and there's people in there who have killed people but that is way less disturbing to me somehow esp. since the killer guy is like the nicest dude ever but the molester guy is creepy still

Anyways it's weird

Discuss rehabilitation and treatment of molesters

[deadinholywood]

Fairly frequently, I am a police officer in a town with the highest rape/incest occurrence of my state. They are very vey strange people and i have little to no trust when dealing with them, I have interacted with many murderers and they are not nearly as weird.

[Surgicalgod]

A friend of my friend was caught molesting a 6 year old girl. I saw him 2-3 times after that and I was just disgusted tbh. I wasn't mean to him or anything, I just avoided talking to him because his face started looking 'paedophilic'. He always looked like a paedophile tbh. idk they have this face.....

[ThePalaceOfWisdom]

My physics teacher at my old highschool was jailed a week or two ago for having sex with 12-13 year old girls.

[Meatplow]

I can't say any that I know of, but I have a friend who had kiddy pr0n on his comp claiming he keeps it cause it's "funny" to show people and who cracks jokes about having sex with 12 year olds when we out at the pubs and sh't. I belted him once cause he wouldn't shut up about it, when I was over his place I deleted that folder on his comp after he attempted to show this vid of all this brazilian kids being raped or something. ****ing dickhead.

I've met older men before who have gotten in "trouble", for one reason or another. Mostly it was for something to do with 16-17 year old girls, a 40 year old alcoholic teacher I knew had an affair with a female student once and a friend of a friends 30 yr old or so "uncle" who lent us some PA gear once I later found had had some kind of sexual thing happening with a friends daughter. It seems awfully common for this kind of thing to happen, it seems more of a grey area then pure pedophilia though which is something I don't think many people could be forgived for.

[Jude]

I'm trying to figure out why people are so much more revolted by child molesters than plain old murderers

I mean in a lot of cultures banging little kids is the norm

[Aklerc]

Because at least if you murder someone the pain stops there.

[JohnXDoe3]

I'm trying to figure out why people are so much more revolted by child molesters than plain old murderers

I mean in a lot of cultures banging little kids is the norm
well i'm not sure this is true. but i would think its because murderers have a certain kind of motive, usually. sometimes even one that can be somewhat understood. molesters are hard to understand. or at least their motives

many molesters were "victims" themselves so its sort of a chain of victimization. which is kind of sad. and i would think others are just depraved perverts. which is not as sad. i know their is a difference between a pedophile and a child molester, however. a pedophile being one who is attracted to prepubescent children in a variety of ways, even emotional, and a child molester is one who simply molests children out of sexual motives or depravity. its said many pedo's would never hurt a child. or at least don't want to. child molesters wouldn't give it a second thought. although if a pedo crosses the line the crime is the same, the results just as devastating, and they can be labeled a molester. because they are

its very sad and somewhat disgusting for the reasons that Herbert stated. children have to live with it the rest of their lives and it can affect them in very negative ways throughout that life. i have known people (more then a few, some close to me) who have been molested, raped, and violated as children. have had some close friends and have dated girls / women who were victims as children. they are functioning adults, but it is obvious in their attitude about relationships and sex they have been affected. and some had much to work through to break off some old chains

thats why i think some view it as really horrible. its unfortunate society lets it turn to blind fear and vast generalization, but people are stupid. and people are also hypocrites, so they judge. but if someone victimizes a child in a sexual way, they may have it coming in some way. no one is going to weep for them

i should point out i don't consider adults who have sex with teens (people who are past puberty) child molesters. because they are not. nor are they pedophiles. and this is where the judgment bothers me the most in society. we need not blur the lines like that, and i believe the age of consent (nationwide) should be 16. it would help us relax and put a new perspective and draw sharper focus on the real problem. however, that will never happen, so this issue will remain one that is somewhat tawdry when it should be taken seriously

Chris Hanson ftl. somehow we love watching men get busted for trying to meet teens for sex, call them "predators" and maybe they are. but they aren't molesters or pedo's. it surely wouldn't be so entertaining to most if they were watching a man walking into a TV show where they thought they were meeting an 8 year old for a blow job rather then a 14 year old :/

[Castillo]

My best friend was raped when she was six years old. The man who raped and beat her played the "I served in the military and this has affected me terribly" card and got off with simply registering as a pedophile and being sent to get "counseling." Meanwhile, 12 years later, she has become a sex addict, has dreams about what happened, and goes through depressive stages frequently. But he still gets sympathy back in his town and is doing quite well for himself these days. People suck.

[Knifeboy]

My physics teacher at my old highschool was jailed a week or two ago for having sex with 12-13 year old girls.

twelve thirteen year olds?

awesome

[VomitStainedCretin]

i should point out i don't consider adults who have sex with teens (people who are past puberty) child molesters. because they are not. nor are they pedophiles. and this is where the judgment bothers me the most in society. we need not blur the lines like that, and i believe the age of consent (nationwide) should be 16. it would help us relax and put a new perspective and draw sharper focus on the real problem. however, that will never happen, so this issue will remain one that is somewhat tawdry when it should be taken seriously

Chris Hanson ftl. somehow we love watching men get busted for trying to meet teens for sex, call them "predators" and maybe they are. but they aren't molesters or pedo's. it surely wouldn't be so entertaining to most if they were watching a man walking into a TV show where they thought they were meeting an 8 year old for a blow job rather then a 14 year old :/Thank you, someone who shares my attitude; I get seriously irritated when I hear people misuse the word 'paedophile'. The Age of Consent is purely a matter of law; it may be statutory rape, but it certainly isn't paedophilia. After all, it would make paedophilia a horribly fuzzy term if the definition varied from country to country purely on the basis of often arbitrary legislation.

[Mr. Ron]

Yeah, my band teacher back in 9th grade was a pedo I guess. He moved out of an apartment, and the new people who moved into it found a shoe box fully of CP or something, and he got arrested. Not sure how he was punished, though. You wouldn't expect it from him though, he was a really nice guy, loved his job and made our band very very good.

Personally, I don't think there should be any sort of prison time a punishment for poesssing having CP. A fine or community service would do, maybe restrcited internet access.

[Moon Flavor]

I agree mr ronald CP is just another fetish like feet or piss. Now, if you're involved in taking little boys and girls against their will and making CP that's another story

[JohnXDoe3]

the thing about CP is a child was victimized for profit and that profit was motivated by the desire of those who wish to possess it. even if you didn't pay for it, it has trickled down to the person who possesses it. so its a slippery slope

but also, the legal definition of CP is somewhat outrageous. at least here in america, where simply a teen (under 18) posed "provocatively" in a bathing suit or bikini or ""sexy" under garments can be considered CP. that is a bit much

also, a lot of CP as i understand was produced before 1975 in which case why should it be against the law to possess it if the victims are not current, so to speak? because they claim "protecting children" is why its against the law. but in that case who are you protecting? it was over 30 years ago

CP was not against the law in this country before '75. frowned upon, disgusting, but from what i have read it was kept "behind the counter" at adult book stores for purchase :/

[Iskandar]

Pedophilia is a fetish like any other from a strictly medical standpoint, but it's different because actually acting on those desires is harmful. It should definitely not be encouraged.

[Moon Flavor]

Well yeah this is true

[Jude]

I don't think charges for possessing child porn should be anywhere near as harsh as for making it

I'm not even sure a case can be made for making possession of child porn any more illegal than regular porn. It FEELS like CP should be punished more harshly but what's the legal basis for it?

[Moon Flavor]

I don't think charges for possessing child animal photographs should be anywhere near as harsh as for making it

I'm not even sure a case can be made for making possession of child animal photographs any more illegal than regular animal photographs. It FEELS like CP should be punished more harshly but what's the legal basis for it?

If someone's making CP it's probably against the child's will and also the child is probably getting molested

edit: read your post wrong...Yeah I agree there is no real basis behind it besides the high-and-mighty American moral code. Not that I'm pro-CP or anything.

[Iskandar]

I don't think charges for possessing child animal photographs should be anywhere near as harsh as for making it

I'm not even sure a case can be made for making possession of child animal photographs any more illegal than regular animal photographs. It FEELS like CP should be punished more harshly but what's the legal basis for it?I want to say it would encourage behaviour like child molestation but then when you apply that argument to a different, less controversial fetish it doesn't seem to hold up.

[JohnXDoe3]

but Iskander i was under the impression pedophilia is a legit psychiatric disorder....not just something you can choose as a fetish. or become accustomed to as one

i mean i have an outrageous foot fetish. a fetish such as that certainly cannot be equated mentally / emotionally / physically the same as someone who wants sex with children

can it? :(

[Moon Flavor]

but Iskander i was under the impression pedophilia is a legit psychiatric disorder....not just something you can choose as a fetish. or become accustomed to as one

i mean i have an outrageous foot fetish. a fetish such as that certainly cannot be equated mentally / emotionally / physically the same as someone who wants sex with children

can it? :(

A fetish is just an attraction to something that most people aren't attracted to. Homosexuality could be considered a fetish of sorts. But yeah, it's essentially the same thing.

I'm sure we'd like to call pedophilia a psychiatric disorder cuz we're a bunch of overly christian douches but don't forget that homosexuality was considered a psychiatric disorder until the 70's or some ****.

[Jude]

A disorder is something interferes with the person's functioning and causes significant distress or problems for them or something else (this is, roughly, the DSM definition). I think pedophilia, if acted on, counts as a disorder quite easily.

I wasn't saying that MAKERS of child porn shouldn't be prosecuted and jailed. They definitely should. But I said it's hard to make a case for CONSUMERS of child porn to be prosecuted.

[Moon Flavor]

Idk I'd have to see the DSM myself to make that decision but I'm too lazy tbh :p

Although I guess you're right; taking away the right to look at something, whatever it may be, is pretty chinese communism-ish

[Jude]

Idk I'd have to see the DSM myself to make that decision but I'm too lazy tbh :p



Take my word for it. I'm a psychology major. Although it's been a while since I've studied anything relating to abnormal psych...

[Aaron]

A fetish is just an attraction to something that most people aren't attracted to. Homosexuality could be considered a fetish of sorts. But yeah, it's essentially the same thing.

I'm sure we'd like to call pedophilia a psychiatric disorder cuz we're a bunch of overly christian douches but don't forget that homosexuality was considered a psychiatric disorder until the 70's or some ****.

Until '84. DSM III was phased out '84/'85.

[DJ Karl Marx]

I wasn't saying that MAKERS of child animal photographs shouldn't be prosecuted and jailed. They definitely should. But I said it's hard to make a case for CONSUMERS of child animal photographs to be prosecuted.
yeah, although it is possible that the people who possess child animal photographsografy had produced it themselves.
A fetish is just an attraction to something that most people aren't attracted to. Homosexuality could be considered a fetish of sorts. But yeah, it's essentially the same thing.
haha, no, that'd be ridiculous, ha ha.

[Det_Nosnip]

I worked at a treatment center for a while and there was a kid there who was himself a child molester.

That one throws you for a loop...

[Jude]

I don't think kids fooling around with each other's **** can be considered molesting

[Already_Taken]

I love people who hate the police, they are always the biggest whingers when they get assaulted or their houses get burgled.

so would you say you you've saved more lives or written more speeding tickets in your career?

[Knifeboy]

speeding tickets save lives

[SugarCoatedSour]

I don't think kids fooling around with each other's **** can be considered molesting

Unless they have ill-defined morals and don't mind hurting each other. We're going down the brave new world paths.

[Jude]

Well with kids how do you separate "ill-defined morals" from "kids fool around with each other's **** all the time and it doesn't seem to affect them negatively"

[SugarCoatedSour]

Well, I don't know there are plenty of parameters that best not be crossed. Like playing with your little sisters stuff or etc...Generally kids are not in the know about certain complexities in life...but my point isn't a great one. I guess everyone has differences in there conception of sex and it would be blandly boring if we all shared it, but it would derail us if everyone was to engage in overtly devious behavior.

[Jude]

I'm pretty sure that since kids are essentially asexual it doesn't matter what they do

They always like to get naked and fool around and experiment and since they generally don't know what sex is and it happens all the time, I wouldn't be real worried about it

Of course an older kid who does know what's up, taking advantage of this in a younger kid, would be different and maybe a sign of pathology but it's still not the same as an adult molesting a kid

[SugarCoatedSour]

Agreeable. But it seems like normality to be expectant of bigger problems...it seems like the longer we as humans exist the more we define boundaries and the more we cross them.

[deadinholywood]

so would you say you you've saved more lives or written more speeding tickets in your career?

Honestly I have only ever written two speeding fines, they don't really interest me. I've done CPR at many assaults and car crashes not to mention dealing with suicidal people which now occurs on almost a daily basis.

[Iscariot]

the thing about CP is a child was victimized

That's not always true. As you've said yourself, here in America a child wearing a swimsuit standing in a "provocative pose" is considered CP. And a quick, disturbing, browse through 7chan will reveal a ton of photo spreads of children and teenagers at nudist colonies.

There's a pretty big difference between dangerous CP and victimless CP. I agree with Ron though that possession of either should result in a fine, community service, or restricted/monitored access to the internet.

[JohnXDoe]

^ yeah thats also the thing. i don't consider the swimsuit stuff, "teen / preteen" model stuff (Becky model, Brenda Model or w/e. the whole "Non Nude" thing) to be CP and think its ridiculous it can be categorized that way. i mean its not my cup of tea, but hey who said teenage boys (or girls, for that matter) don't enjoy it. and if an adult does, hey, the photo shoots were signed off on by parents and everything is out in the open. however, some producers of such material have been prosecuted for it now, and i can only think some people who possess it might not be far behind. although it disturbs me to think someone can be put behind bars or labled a sex offender for viewing pics of 12 or 13+ year old girls wearing something perceived to be "provocative."

"eye of the beholder" as they say....

when i say CP i mean adults fuking children / minors and sexually explicit material of said minors, period

[Moon Flavor]

I don't think that really exists, nobody's stupid enough to actually make evidence of them doin little kids

[JohnXDoe]

i just saw a local special report last night on TV (in Los Angeles) and L.A. has a special squad just for that reason. and yeah, what they showed goes to show people are that stupid. homeless kids, drugged out teens, one site was all lit up and said "Children From Shelters"

apparently it exists. how, where, and who idk. but i suppose if you want it and web search the right way you can find it :/

link:

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Fastest-Growing-Crime-Against-Children.html

[Iscariot]

I don't think that really exists, nobody's stupid enough to actually make evidence of them doin little kids

You'd be surprised.

The most nauseating thing I've ever seen was a video I downloaded on Kazaa that was titled as a music video I was looking for, and upon opening it I found out it was a video of a fat, middle-aged man, having sex with a 5-year old girl.

[huxtaposition]

my brother checked some website where you can look up people with child molesting criminal records and in our neighborhood there are quite a few.

i don't give a **** because i don't have any children.

if i did though i would keep an extra eye on them.

[Dimmu Burger]

I do everyday at work.

[JohnXDoe3]

serious question Dimmu

the stereotype is every guy in prison gets raped or succumbs somehow to "prison sex"

in your experience as a garud is this true? i mean i know it happens, but how much of it is the rule or how much is the exception, so to speak?

i don't remember if you work a prison or jail 'tho. so maybe you don't know? i would think its a lower occurrence in jails

[Dimmu Burger]

Well I'm in an County Detention Facility, so it's not as bad, cause there isn't anyone here sentenced to more than 18 months, and the others are pretrial. People do get raped here on occasion and we here about it once in a blue moon. There has been one case that we know about in the past 2 years I think, and it was a protective custody dorm. A dude that acts like a female was getting nailed like every night by multiple guys from what I hear.

In a prison, meaning a state run facility or federal, that is a part of prison society, it's not that they're gay, it's that they have complete control of an individual. That person does everything for their "Daddy" or whatever and belongs to them. The "b*tch" or "punk" gets raped but also protected from everybody else there. It's a very complicated society they have.

[Det_Nosnip]

idk doing guys in the butt and/or being done in the butt by guys...sounds awfully gay to me. :rolleyes:

[Shadows Within]

Well I'm in an County Detention Facility, so it's not as bad, cause there isn't anyone here sentenced to more than 18 months, and the others are pretrial. People do get raped here on occasion and we here about it once in a blue moon. There has been one case that we know about in the past 2 years I think, and it was a protective custody dorm. A dude that acts like a female was getting nailed like every night by multiple guys from what I hear.

In a prison, meaning a state run facility or federal, that is a part of prison society, it's not that they're gay, it's that they have complete control of an individual. That person does everything for their "Daddy" or whatever and belongs to them. The "b*tch" or "punk" gets raped but also protected from everybody else there. It's a very complicated society they have.

rofl as i read this im finishing up OZ :lol:

do they actually use the term prag in prisons?

[hismajestythepope]

A friend of my friend was caught molesting a 6 year old girl. I saw him 2-3 times after that and I was just disgusted tbh. I wasn't mean to him or anything, I just avoided talking to him because his face started looking 'paedophilic'. He always looked like a paedophile tbh. idk they have this face.....

yeah, my one 'friend' got caught with kiddie porno, and idk, stopped talking to him right and there

[Dimmu Burger]

rofl as i read this im finishing up OZ :lol:

do they actually use the term prag in prisons?

I'm not familiar with that term, so I don't think they use it around here. What does it mean?

idk doing guys in the butt and/or being done in the butt by guys...sounds awfully gay to me. :rolleyes:

Well the term we hear a lot is "Gay for the stay" so they're gay while in prison, but not on the outside.

[Swill_Merchant]

yea

[BridgeToSolace]

Personally, I don't think there should be any sort of prison time a punishment for poesssing having CP. A fine or community service would do, maybe restrcited internet access.

As far as I know it's illegal to own a snuff film, right?

I would think CP is the same thing.

We're talking about Cartoon Porn, right?

[1338 h4x0r]

What about loli pix

If those are illegal, I'm in deep doo-doo

[Mr. Ron]

As far as I know it's illegal to own a snuff film, right?

I would think CP is the same thing.

We're talking about Cartoon animal photographs, right?
They're....not the same thing.

What about loli pix

If those are illegal, I'm in deep doo-doo
what are loli pix?

[Patrick O)))]

The store I work in borders onto a couple of pretty lovely estates. I see lots of jailbird tattoos in and amongst the more normal retail park customers. That might just be this area though, lots of bus drivers have them.

Still, I don't know what they mean to the people that have them. This occurred to me the other week, that I've no idea how many murderers/rapists etc I might have served at work. Not given it much thought though since

[Light Fantastic]

yeah, my one 'friend' got caught with kiddie animal photographso, and idk, stopped talking to him right and therethis act alone has saved five children

[Already_Taken]

my friend showed me a snuff film once of a girl getting raped and mauled to death by a tiger. dude, just..... dude.

[Meatplow]

what are loli pix?

the hentai variation

As far as I know it's illegal to own a snuff film, right?

I don't want to get technical, but the term "snuff film" indicates a black market for trade of murder tapes, there has never been evidence of this uncovered.

This is not to say premeditated murder has never been filmed.

[Light Fantastic]

loli is just a young girl it doesnt need to be hentai

lolicon is the manga stuff

[Knifeboy]

chad - resident cp expert

[Light Fantastic]

im also an expert on trains

[Already_Taken]

you must really like that show "Extreme Trains". personally the title always turned me off, as i don't really see how extreme a train can be, but hey.

[Light Fantastic]

im sorry i dont watch brutish american train documentaries im a man of refined taste

[DemonicRubberDucky]

I went to a preschool as a kid, and recently my mother told me that the teacher's husband had been convicted of child pron and molestation charges. Never had any contact with him that I remember, but my mother said that he was a rather quiet dude.

I have a neighbor, and although it'd certainly be a controversial theory to "put out there," he certainly seems to have a murderer-type air to him. Just something about the way he conducts himself, I dunno.

[Seafroggys]

To answer the original question, yes, one of my friends in high school was a child molester, but I did not know this until about a year or two after he was put into prison (he came back Senior year).

[808]

The assistant coach for the boys freshmen basketball team at my high school was kicked out after a bunch of the players complained about him grabbing them in places. He always seemed a little bit weird to me.

[Meatplow]

loli is just a young girl it doesnt need to be hentai

lolicon is the manga stuff

oh right

once upon a time I visited some hentai boards "loli" was just the standard abbreviation I guess

[Swill_Merchant]

Nah