This is pure LOL: The UN hates United Nations

[hismajestythepope]

taken from hardcore and emo:
"The actual international organization, United Nations, for which the band is named after, discovered that a musical group had formed under the name of United Nations, and ordered Facebook to remove their official page.[13] After deleting their page, Facebook informed the band about the removal and also stated, "The use of the name 'United Nations' by the Band and the use of its Logo which resembles the UN emblem has not been authorized and violates international and United States laws..."[14] The band's record label comically responded the situation stating, "The United Nations, an international organization of some kind, has been taking issue with the band that shares it's name. Who had the name first remains open to debate, but the problem exists nonetheless."[13] Their label also hinted at the possibility of no longer being able to release their debut album. In December 2008, a little over a month after the band's Facebook was deleted, their MySpace page was also deleted."

from wikipedia

last time i checked, the UN wasn't founded to censor artists based off of such petty things as a ****ing emblem and name.

does anybody else think this is retarded?

[Mister_Che]

Is it really censorship? I might not be understanding this properly, but they're not actually stopping them from releasing music, they just can't use their name/logo.

[Prince of Darkness]

The band had to know this would happen

[siva_chair]

They were way too "hardcore" to care....

[hismajestythepope]

Is it really censorship? I might not be understanding this properly, but they're not actually stopping them from releasing music, they just can't use their name/logo.

They forced Facebook to delete their page because they used their name and a logo SIMILAR to the UN emblem.

How is that not censorship?

The band had to know this would happen

explain? where was it ever mentioned in the founding of the united nations that no others can use the term for their uses?

last time i checked, the UN was supposed to be an organization founded to bring the western and eastern hemispheres together and protect such liberties as to being able to name your band whatever the hell you want.

last time i checked, a screamo band being named after an event or organization didnt really effect personal liberties in any way shape or form...

[hismajestythepope]

is the UN gonna lose sales now that United Nations stole their name and ripped off their emblem?

[sweboy]

the UN does not recognize the right to emo

[Prince of Darkness]

explain? where was it ever mentioned in the founding of the united nations that no others can use the term for their uses?

last time i checked, the UN was supposed to be an organization founded to bring the western and eastern hemispheres together and protect such liberties as to being able to name your band whatever the hell you want.

last time i checked, a screamo band being named after an event or organization didnt really effect personal liberties in any way shape or form...

well, using the name must be a violation of copyright, so there you go.

[DBoons Ghost]

The real UN has every right to sue them and order them to cease and desist in the same way Howlin' Wolf had every right to sue Led Zeppelin for stealing his music.

I can't just decide to make new chocolate coffee called "Hershey's Coffee" without first lawfully getting permission from Hershey's.

I cannot believe you're claiming "censorship" here. In all honesty that's really ignorant. The band is stupid for thinking they can pull this off without issue.

Although I am curious if the UN has a copyright on the name, United Nations or if they have a patent on the UN symbol, which the band shouldn't be allowed to use lest they misrepresent the real United Nations.

[siva_chair]

The real UN has every right to sue them and order them to cease and desist in the same way Howlin' Wolf had every right to sue Led Zeppelin for stealing his music.

I can't just decide to make new chocolate coffee called "Hershey's Coffee" without first lawfully getting permission from Hershey's.

I cannot believe you're claiming "censorship" here. In all honesty that's really ignorant. The band is stupid for thinking they can pull this off without issue.

Although I am curious if the UN has a copyright on the name, United Nations or if they have a patent on the UN symbol, which the band shouldn't be allowed to use lest they misrepresent the real United Nations.

Yes but copyright claims like this usually only apply within the same industry.

For instance: Delta is the name of both an airline and a hotel chain. There is no copyright violation by either of them, as neither "owns" the word on its own, only in context.

Last I checked the United Nations wasn't in the business of making crappy music, and these clowns don't seem to be in the business of making crappy global policy, so I don't see what the big fuss is.

[DBoons Ghost]

You make a fair point there siva. I don't know the laws well enough to make a case either way.

Censorship is far from the word I would use to describe this situation though. Stupid punks and their empty causes. Where do they get this crap from?

[siva_chair]

You make a fair point there siva. I don't know the laws well enough to make a case either way.

Censorship is far from the word I would use to describe this situation though. Stupid punks and their empty causes. Where do they get this crap from?

Idk the stupid punks that came before them? :p

[hismajestythepope]

You make a fair point there siva. I don't know the laws well enough to make a case either way.

Censorship is far from the word I would use to describe this situation though. Stupid punks and their empty causes. Where do they get this crap from?

yes forcefully deleting a band page on a networking site isnt censorship in any way, shape, or form.

[Pete]

yeah, thats just bullsh!t

[hismajestythepope]

you are one deep mother****er.

[DBoons Ghost]

yes forcefully deleting a band page on a networking site isnt censorship in any way, shape, or form.

Well, in this case, no. It's abuse of authority maybe. Censorship? No.

I think you're overreacting. Depending on the laws the UN might have a pretty good case to stop a band who is trying to mock them from misrepresenting them.

I am curious if the band, United Nations, secured any legal ground by which they chose to name the band what they did as well. You seem to be forgetting that part.

[Foehammer]

Rename to Nations United.
PROBLAM SALVED.


Edit:
Almost sounds like a bank.

[Der Übermensch]

Yes but copyright claims like this usually only apply within the same industry.

For instance: Delta is the name of both an airline and a hotel chain. There is no copyright violation by either of them, as neither "owns" the word on its own, only in context.

Last I checked the United Nations wasn't in the business of making crappy music, and these clowns don't seem to be in the business of making crappy global policy, so I don't see what the big fuss is.

The name usage I agree with you on, but I think the UN probably CAN order a cease and desist for usage of the logo.

[siva_chair]

Probably.

[Surgicalgod]

just change the name you ***** ****** ******. god i hate screamo and emo and w/e **** teeangers come up with

[McP3000]

wow you're edgy

[hismajestythepope]

just change the name you ***** ****** ******. god i hate screamo and emo and w/e **** teeangers come up with

i am deeply offended.

in other news from what i've gathered you listen to boring poopy.

[Surgicalgod]

you'll grow out of it when you're older (older in the head). enjoy it while you can.

[wartomods]

Unnited Nathions, will be their new name

[Seafroggys]

Yes but copyright claims like this usually only apply within the same industry.

For instance: Delta is the name of both an airline and a hotel chain. There is no copyright violation by either of them, as neither "owns" the word on its own, only in context.

Last I checked the United Nations wasn't in the business of making crappy music, and these clowns don't seem to be in the business of making crappy global policy, so I don't see what the big fuss is.

Delta is a common word/phrase though. Its the fourth letter in the Greek alphabet. You can't copyright it.

[mph4ever]

punk is the only meaningful music on the planet. anyone who thinks otherwise is entitled to their opinion. thats what punk is all about

and united nations, the band, its only shock and very well done too. they could be five lads from different native american tribes for all anyone knows. fair play to them and shame on the un. although, i don't think the emblem should be abused.

[switched]

hey whats going on in this thread

[Iscariot]

censorship

:lol:

punk is the only meaningful music on the planet.

:lol: !!!

[Der Übermensch]

punk is the only meaningful music on the planet. anyone who thinks otherwise is entitled to their opinion. thats what punk is all about

I don't even know what to say...

[TheDarkHorse]

taken from hardcore and emo:


last time i checked, the UN wasn't founded to censor artists based off of such petty things as a ****ing emblem and name.

does anybody else think this is retarded?

um thats infringement you can't name your band the 'Department of Justice' and use their label thats illegal.

[hismajestythepope]

who the **** cares? it has no bearing whatsoever on the purpose of the organization, and it in fact kinda goes against what theyre supposed to represent.

stop denying that this is lame based off of bogus legal technicalities, because bogus legal technicalities are the bane of any society with balls.
:lol:



:lol: !!!

lol indie

[Iscariot]

um thats infringement you can't name your band the 'Department of Justice' and use their label thats illegal.

Nah man it's CENSORSHIP! It's THE MAN trying to BRING US DOWN! We've gotta Rise Against, wave our Black Flag in the air, scream 108 angry curses, and deliver them a fistful of Death By Stereo!

[mph4ever]

:lol: !!!

whats to lol at, its true

I don't even know what to say...

thats a first. try true

[Iscariot]

lol indie

lol bogus legal technicalities

[Iscariot]

whats to lol at, its true

You've got to be trolling. If you're not, I will personally come over there and euthanize you.

[Giga]

what is this i don't even

[TheDarkHorse]

who the **** cares? it has no bearing whatsoever on the purpose of the organization, and it in fact kinda goes against what theyre supposed to represent.

stop denying that this is lame based off of bogus legal technicalities, because bogus legal technicalities are the bane of any society with balls.

ROFL

nah Man It's Censorship! It's The Man Trying To Bring Us Down! We've Gotta rise Against, Wave Our black Flag In The Air, Scream 108 Angry Curses, And Deliver Them A Fistful Of death By Stereo!

Lolololoololol

[Der Übermensch]

thats a first. try true

Well I was being semi-sarcastic, I think I already ripped you a new one on this awhile back.

[mph4ever]

You've got to be trolling. If you're not, I will personally come over there and euthanize you.

what is it that you do not agree with?

Well I was being semi-sarcastic, I think I already ripped you a new one on this awhile back.

i know, in which case you being stuck for words, regardless of the context, is sweet

[Iscariot]

what is it that you do not agree with?

Umm

punk is the only meaningful music on the planet.

[Der Übermensch]

i know, in which case you being stuck for words, regardless of the context, is sweet

I'm not, I just don't feel like pounding you over the head again for the inanity (and irony) of your mindless devotion to punk rock.

[mph4ever]

Umm
oh that.

I'm not, I just don't feel like pounding you over the head again for the inanity (and irony) of your mindless devotion to punk rock.

we all have our weaknesses.

and its punk, not punk rock.

[Der Übermensch]

and its punk, not punk rock.

It is punk rock. Punk rock is a musical genre, while punk is the accompanying lifestyle (or someone who takes it up the *** in prison).

Trust me though, the proper term is punk rock, even if it is often shorted to punk. Dave Marsh coined the term and he wrote out "punk rock."

[Giga]

what do you know you're just a government sheep

[mph4ever]

It is punk rock. Punk rock is a musical genre, while punk is the accompanying lifestyle (or someone who takes it up the *** in prison).

Trust me though, the proper term is punk rock, even if it is often shorted to punk. Dave Marsh coined the term and he wrote out "punk rock."



where did he write that for?

[Der Übermensch]

1971 in Creem magazine I think it was.

[mph4ever]

1971 in Creem magazine I think it was.

i was more into british punk music. very seldom did i hear anyone say punk rock and when it was said it was usually corrected. i guess he coined it so people could categorise the different music, nice little umbrella term

[Der Übermensch]

Brit is certainly the way to go, but it was an American made genre despite what McLaren would like to have us think.

[DBoons Ghost]

I thought elitist punk genre corrections was my job.

Now I feel useless. :upset:

[Der Übermensch]

I thought elitist punk genre corrections was my job.

Now I feel useless. :upset:

Sorry!!!!!

I'll let you take over

[DBoons Ghost]

Lol nah man you doin' just fine.

I was kidding brother.

[switched]

i'm punker than all of u tbh

[Aaron]

I'm going to Start the Barack Obama Trio. Who wants to play bass?

[mph4ever]

Brit is certainly the way to go, but it was an American made genre despite what McLaren would like to have us think.
We never got american punk over here when it was happening. We got The Ramones or DKs but little else. Black Flag too. Mclaren fools no one. Never did.

[hismajestythepope]

Nah man it's CENSORSHIP! It's THE MAN trying to BRING US DOWN! We've gotta Rise Against, wave our Black Flag in the air, scream 108 angry curses, and deliver them a fistful of Death By Stereo!

denying a group their right to advertise on any medium is a form of censorship.

and mad namedrops. nice. :lol:

[Iskandar]

It's only censorship if you legally have a right to use the name and image.

[siva_chair]

Bah, screw copyrights.

[Iskandar]

Use Linux.

[siva_chair]

Hooray Linux.

[hismajestythepope]

It's only censorship if you legally have a right to use the name and image.

Technicalities and so forth, their music is still being censored.

[siva_chair]

Technicalities and so forth, their music is still being censored.

No, it really isn't. They are free to release it under a different name.

[hismajestythepope]

So it's censored until they change their name...

[siva_chair]

So it's censored until they change their name...

Ok but the music itself isn't being censored. They are just prohibited from marketing and releasing it under that name.

[Iskandar]

Hooray Linux.Do you use it? I installed it a few months ago. Don't know why I didn't sooner.
Technicalities and so forth, their music is still being censored.No it's not. They are being told to cease and desist. It would be censorship if they were forbidden to by a court of law. Besides, isn't this about their name and image, not their music?

[siva_chair]

Do you use it? I installed it a few months ago. Don't know why I didn't sooner.

I've used it before. Right now I'm still using Mac OSX, though, because I'm lazy.

Plus, I haven't had any problems with Mac's stuff yet, so I don't have much of a reason to switch on that computer. If I ever buy another PC I'll probably put Linux on it, though.

[hismajestythepope]

Ok but the music itself isn't being censored. They are just prohibited from marketing and releasing it under that name.

okay, then thats even worse.

Do you use it? I installed it a few months ago. Don't know why I didn't sooner.
No it's not. They are being told to cease and desist. It would be censorship if they were forbidden to by a court of law. Besides, isn't this about their name and image, not their music?

isnt the point that the UN was founded to protect the liberties of peoples of the western world, and here they go saying you cant name your band whatever the hell you want because they got the name first.

it doesn't effect the UN in any way, shape, or form. I guess my point is that that organization is a joke, and has really lost sight of its purpose.

[siva_chair]

okay, then thats even worse.

What? How is that worse?

[Iskandar]

The UN was formed to encourage international cooperation and promote human rights, not to permit copyright infringement.

(Yes Siva I know you hate the UN but bear with me.)

[siva_chair]

The UN was formed to encourage international cooperation and promote human rights, not to permit copyright infringement.

(Yes Siva I know you hate the UN but bear with me.)

No I don't really disagree with you in this context.

[Chu]

I've used it before. Right now I'm still using Mac OSX, though, because I'm lazy.

Plus, I haven't had any problems with Mac's stuff yet, so I don't have much of a reason to switch on that computer. If I ever buy another PC I'll probably put Linux on it, though.
Being essentially the same operating system (MacOS X and Linux, in the sense they're both derivations from Unix), you'll find what's compatible with Linux, is usually compatible with MacOS X too (might require you to compile your own binaries, but that's pretty straightforward).

I'm not discouraging you to try Linux again, but really, you pretty much are using Linux.

Somewhat on-topic, if anyone is interested in the subject of copyright laws, there's a compilation of rms essays titled "free software, free society", it's published under GPL if I recall, so it is available free online.
Goes into some detail about his "Copyleft" system, and of course information regarding the GPL/LGPL/BSD etc. licensing.

I have a feeling it might really be of interest only to people in software-engineering/computer science.
But maybe not, content-wise, it really has very little to do with computer science.

[siva_chair]

Being essentially the same operating system (MacOS X and Linux, in the sense they're both derivations from Unix), you'll find what's compatible with Linux, is usually compatible with MacOS X too (might require you to compile your own binaries, but that's pretty straightforward).

I'm not discouraging you to try Linux again, but really, you pretty much are using Linux.

Yes, I know this, which is really one of the reasons why I haven't switched. I don't have much of a reason to.

Like I said, if I bought another PC, I'd definitely use it.

Somewhat on-topic, if anyone is interested in the subject of copyright laws, there's a compilation of rms essays titled "free software, free society", it's published under GPL if I recall, so it is available free online.
Goes into some detail about his "Copyleft" system, and of course information regarding the GPL/LGPL/BSD etc. licensing.

I have a feeling it might really be of interest only to people in software-engineering/computer science.
But maybe not, content-wise, it really has very little to do with computer science.

The "free software" movement certainly is a fascinating topic concerning copyright and patents. It most definitely flies in the face of the face of several of the arguments in defense of copyrights and patents.

The book Against Intellectual Monopoly by Michele Boldrin and David Levine is, in the opinion of this reader, a completely awesome book on the subject of copyrights and patents. Plus, it doesn't just focus on the computer science aspect of it, but tackles the subject as a whole.

[Chu]

In my own observations, I swear GNU is a functional communist state.

If you could view them as a state on their own (which, considering their size, I would say so). Of course, this has very little to do with the topic at hand :)

I will keep a lookout for this book siva, thanks.

[siva_chair]

In my own observations, I swear GNU is a communist state.

If you could view them as a state on their own (which, considering their size, I would say so). Of course, this has very little to do with the topic at hand :)

Nah, they don't have a monopoly on legitimate use of force, so they don't really qualify as a state. ;)

I will keep a lookout for this book siva, thanks.

It's a good one.

http://levine.sscnet.ucla.edu/papers/anew.all.pdf

There it is in .pdf, but I'm not sure if it exactly the same or has every part of the book (I have the hard copy, haven't read the .pdf).

[Iskandar]

They have a monopoly on the legitimate use of penguins. And beards.

[Chu]

Actually, the Penguin is the symbol of Linux, the wildebeest (aka the gnu) is the symbol of GNU.

It just happens that rms couldn't get Hurd up and running in time, so Linux became the GNU kernel.

Although the system is more commonly known as Linux, it's correct title is GNU/Linux, as the majority of software that makes Linux possible, is GNU.

That said, they definitely have a monopoly on beards :cool:

[Iskandar]

It just happens that rms couldn't get Hurd up and running in time, so Linux became the GNU kernel.I did not know that.

I wish I knew more about programming sometime. I'm a passive user and fan of open-source software, but I don't know much about its inner workings.

[siva_chair]

Beards rule.

[Iscariot]

My beard represents freedom.

[Iskandar]

I have a beard.

[mph4ever]

yup

[TheNoonwardRace]

this is just funny nothing else

[Giga]

Is it so surprising that the UN doesn't want to have any association with a punk band?

[Iscariot]

I have a beard.

Beard bros 4 lyfe.

[mph4ever]

altho i'm against women with beards anywhere

[siva_chair]

My beard represents freedom.

Beards ARE freedom.

Freedom from the tyranny of razors.

[Chu]

I did not know that.

I wish I knew more about programming sometime. I'm a passive user and fan of open-source software, but I don't know much about its inner workings.
Well, if you are ever interested in getting involved, there are so many ways you can help, without ever even touching code.

The only reason I know so much about it, is because Richard Stallman is a personal hero of mine, anything he touches I have to know about.

There's a cool little bio called "Just For Fun", which is basically an autobiography by Linus Torvalds about creating Linux, it's not really about programming, but it does talk a lot about the "hacker" culture.

There is a paper titled "The Cathedral and the Bazaar", by Eric S. Raymond, which basically describes the model behind GNU/Linux from an outsider's perspective, it's available free download (link: http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/), kinda interesting, but again, probably only because of my interest in CS.

Actually, Eric S Raymond is also a pretty interesting person.

[siva_chair]

I have a computer question:

Why does the SAP ERP program at work frequently piss me off? :P

[Iscariot]

Beards ARE freedom.

Freedom from the tyranny of razors.

In all honesty, I believe that beards in the working society are a fantastic representation of out of the box thinking. I almost consider it a privilege to be denied from fistfuls of jobs because of my giant beard because I don't fit the 1950's standard of professionalism.

It almost guarantees that wherever I do get employment, will be full of awesome people.

[siva_chair]

I work at a corporation that has lots of people with beards. The manager of our service center sports a beard frequently and there are plenty of ZZ Top looking mofos around here.

[mph4ever]

I have a computer question:

Why does the SAP ERP program at work frequently piss me off? :P

because you spend more time on the internet than meeting the needs of the enterprise

[siva_chair]

because you spend more time on the internet than meeting the needs of the enterprise

No sorry. The correct answer is that it frequently freezes up and does strange things.

[mph4ever]

No sorry. The correct answer is that it frequently freezes up and does strange things.

sounds like my woman!

what platform is it running on?

[Iscariot]

I work at a corporation that has lots of people with beards. The manager of our service center sports a beard frequently and there are plenty of ZZ Top looking mofos around here.

Damn. I've been turned away from like 99.9% of the jobs I've applied for because I have a beard. And not just a short, manageable beard, I have a srs fkn beard. Even the liquor store turned me down because my beard and tattoos would "intimidate the older customers".

[siva_chair]

sounds like my woman!

Well, everyone knows women are irrational and cold-blooded.

what platform is it running on?

It's probably not the system itself, it may be our network. I just posted that because the last transaction code I executed on it took forever so I just felt like cursing it on here since we were discussing computer stuff.

Usually it works fine, I was just talking ****.

[siva_chair]

Damn. I've been turned away from like 99.9% of the jobs I've applied for because I have a beard. And not just a short, manageable beard, I have a srs fkn beard. Even the liquor store turned me down because my beard and tattoos would "intimidate the older customers".

Well, where are your tats? That could be a big part of it.

[hismajestythepope]

The UN was formed to encourage international cooperation and promote human rights, not to permit copyright infringement.

(Yes Siva I know you hate the UN but bear with me.)

copyright infringement should only be persued when its with something that matters, like taking credit for something you didnt make. using the same name as an organization should be a non-issue. can you not see that this is a pointless legality, or do you think that constantly restating that its copyright infringement will change the fact that there's too many stupid laws and organizations like that have too much power.

[mph4ever]

It's probably not the system itself, it may be our network. I just posted that because the last transaction code I executed on it took forever so I just felt like cursing it on here since we were discussing computer stuff.

Usually it works fine, I was just talking ****.

its not supposed to do that. it usually down to people connecting things to or installing things on the network without proper controls or mis people not doing their job properly.

[hismajestythepope]

so yeah wanna post on topic, or is there nothing to debate here because OMG THEY BROKE A SILLY LAW.

its pretty ****ing lame that i can get banned for posting off topic in this section, but then a ****ing mod derails my thread being an arrogant prick because he cant see that sometimes laws are retarded.

[Iscariot]

Well, where are your tats? That could be a big part of it.

My forearms. I have a big tribal scorpion on my right forearm which everyone always mistakes for a Scorpio symbol when it actually represents strength and power, which pisses me off, and I have kanji lettering for "cannibas" on the underside of my right forearm.

so yeah wanna post on topic, or is there nothing to debate here because OMG THEY BROKE A SILLY LAW.

There isn't really anything to discuss because they infringed copyright laws and no one honestly gives a crap about some lame *** band that's whining because they were trying to be "hardcore" and used the name United Nations and got **** blocked by the UN.

[mph4ever]

My forearms. I have a big tribal scorpion on my right forearm which everyone always mistakes for a Scorpio symbol when it actually represents strength and power, which pisses me off, and I have kanji lettering for "cannibas" on the underside of my right forearm.


and a big beard, and you listen to?

[AA-12]

Actually, the Penguin is the symbol of Linux, the wildebeest (aka the gnu) is the symbol of GNU.

It just happens that rms couldn't get Hurd up and running in time, so Linux became the GNU kernel.

Although the system is more commonly known as Linux, it's correct title is GNU/Linux, as the majority of software that makes Linux possible, is GNU.

That said, they definitely have a monopoly on beards :cool:

is there still a programming thread around?

[hismajestythepope]

There isn't really anything to discuss because they infringed copyright laws and no one honestly gives a crap about some lame *** band that's whining because they were trying to be "hardcore" and used the name United Nations and got **** blocked by the UN.

I get it Jared, you don't like hardcore because you think it makes you smart. If it was a pretentious indie band you'd get e. cred for liking you'd suddenly realize the point I'm making.

How the hell is a band being named United Nations in any way shape or form relevant to the organization at all?

[Chu]

I think the band are ****ing stupid for using United Nations as a name in the first place.

[hismajestythepope]

Why? Because what a band names themselves is suddenly a big deal?

[siva_chair]

its not supposed to do that. it usually down to people connecting things to or installing things on the network without proper controls or mis people not doing their job properly.

Idk it does it randomly throughout the day. Oh well whatever.

My forearms. I have a big tribal scorpion on my right forearm which everyone always mistakes for a Scorpio symbol when it actually represents strength and power, which pisses me off, and I have kanji lettering for "cannibas" on the underside of my right forearm.

Yeah I bet the tattoos have more to do with it than the beard, tbh.

[Chu]

is there still a programming thread around?
Yeah there is (although it is somewhat dead), there are a few programmers on MX, and with the next school semester starting soon, there was some discussion over what courses are being taken, but it's pretty slow.

I actually read an article today and programmer's being musicians (and quite possibly vice versa), which makes me really surprised there aren't more programmers at MX.

Edit: Here it is: http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=443420&page=26

[hismajestythepope]

siva. go to the community thread. i know its horrifying that you cant copy and paste from a really bad blog in regards to this topic.

seriously guys COMMUNITY THREAD.

[siva_chair]

I get it Jared, you don't like hardcore because you think it makes you smart. If it was a pretentious indie band you'd get e. cred for liking you'd suddenly realize the point I'm making.

How the hell is a band being named United Nations in any way shape or form relevant to the organization at all?

I don't like "hardcore" not because it makes me feel smart, but because it sounds like noise and **** mixed in a big pot of annoying.

[AA-12]

Yeah there is (although it is somewhat dead), there are a few programmers on MX, and with the next school semester starting soon, there was some discussion over what courses are being taken, but it's pretty slow.

I actually read an article today and programmer's being musicians (and quite possibly vice versa), which makes me really surprised there aren't more programmers at MX.

Anyway, I'll edit this post and paste link when I find it.

sounds pretty interesting. i'm going to take some programming courses in the fall to get a cert and then slowly move into software development. i want to do game design but that's pretty far off and unlikely.

[hismajestythepope]

so because you dont get the music, the bands name suddenly has some sort of bearing on the UN itself how?

also, your names not jared.

[siva_chair]

siva. go to the community thread. i know its horrifying that you cant copy and paste from a really bad blog in regards to this topic.

seriously guys COMMUNITY THREAD.

Aww look someone is crying.

That is so hardcore dude.

[hismajestythepope]

nice dude. i mustve hit a nerve.

[Chu]

Not really, but I don't see any humour or wiliness in calling a band United Nations, if anything it's asking to be **** blocked.

It's obvious they're not going to let a band use their name, simply because the band could get famous and then associations to UN could start, or whatever.

I don't know, I see it as a pretty obvious conclusion though.

[hismajestythepope]

Not really, but I don't see any humour or wiliness in calling a band United Nations
thats not the point of the name

if anything it's asking to be **** blocked.
no its not, because like i said, screamo has no relevence to the UN whatsoever

It's obvious they're not going to let a band use their name, simply because the band could get famous and then associations to UN could start, or whatever.
thats not the point. its retarded that the un is supported in every single thing they do, even when its something as absurd as harming a bands ability to promote themselves on the internet because their logo looks too similar to the "emblem" of an organization thats supposed to protect freedoms.

blah the point is: why the **** is the UN involved in such petty bullshit?

[siva_chair]

nice dude. i mustve hit a nerve.

Not really it is just funny how seriously butthurt you are getting over this whole thing.

[Chu]

sounds pretty interesting. i'm going to take some programming courses in the fall to get a cert and then slowly move into software development. i want to do game design but that's pretty far off and unlikely.
There is actually at least one professional game developer at MX! (Or was...)

Yeah, there's definitely interest in game development, if you ever need help, I may be able to answer some questions (I'm very interested in game development as a hobby).

[Chu]

thats not the point of the name


no its not, because like i said, screamo has no relevence to the UN whatsoever


thats not the point. its retarded that the un is supported in every single thing they do, even when its something as absurd as harming a bands ability to promote themselves on the internet because their logo looks too similar to the "emblem" of an organization thats supposed to protect freedoms.
I don't know, I think your fanboyism is defending something you know to be right here.

[hismajestythepope]

Not really it is just funny how seriously butthurt you are getting over this whole thing.

no i just think its annoying that as soon as you cant copy and paste bad points from a blog you just go out of your way to post off topic.

[AA-12]

There is actually at least one professional game developer at MX! (Or was...)

Yeah, there's definitely interest in game development, if you ever need help, I may be able to answer some questions (I'm very interested in game development as a hobby).

awesome :) i'm gonna bump the thread soon and post up my interests to see if anyone has comments.

[hismajestythepope]

I don't know, I think your fanboyism is defending something you know to be right here.

it has nothing to do with fanboyism, im not even that into the band, i just think its stupid that the un gets involved in such pointless idiocy.

[Iscariot]

and a big beard, and you listen to?

Indie music. And folk.

I get it Jared, you don't like hardcore because you think it makes you smart. If it was a pretentious indie band you'd get e. cred for liking you'd suddenly realize the point I'm making.

How the hell is a band being named United Nations in any way shape or form relevant to the organization at all?

Yes, I don't like hardcore music because I think it makes me smart. You hit the nail on the head.

It can't be because hardcore music is an image based institution where the music doesn't actually matter, and the "messages" portrayed by the bands are shallow and uninteresting, and anyone who wears tight jeans and dyes their hair black is allowed into the club.

Never mind the purely aesthetic foundation that this genre sits on, let's call me pretentious and bathe in an unending fountain of irony.

Why? Because what a band names themselves is suddenly a big deal?

It is when they name themselves after an international organization without attaining permissions from that organization.

Yeah I bet the tattoos have more to do with it than the beard, tbh.

Gay. It's not like any white person that doesn't watch anime and spend all of their time on the internet can read my kanji anyway.

I don't like "hardcore" not because it makes me feel smart, but because it sounds like noise and **** mixed in a big pot of annoying.

This is another thing I hate about hardcore.

[siva_chair]

no i just think its annoying that as soon as you cant copy and paste bad points from a blog you just go out of your way to post off topic.

The topic was retarded to begin with. There was nothing more to discuss about it, so it moved to copyrights and patents in the software field.

You know what you should do though, cry about this some more. It will really help your case.

[mph4ever]

There is actually at least one professional game developer at MX! (Or was...)

Yeah, there's definitely interest in game development, if you ever need help, I may be able to answer some questions (I'm very interested in game development as a hobby).

we are developing some apps for android and lbs technology thats pretty smart, just wouldn't know where to post on mx

[siva_chair]

Gay. It's not like any white person that doesn't watch anime and spend all of their time on the internet can read my kanji anyway.

Well visible tattoos are still somewhat taboo in the "business" world for the most part.

Wear long sleeves I guess, idk.

[Iscariot]

The topic was retarded to begin with. There was nothing more to discuss about it, so it moved to copyrights and patents in the software field.

You know what you should do though, cry about this some more. It will really help your case.

Punks don't cry, they throw their fists in the air, get really drunk, and whine about the government.

[hismajestythepope]

lol
The topic was retarded to begin with. There was nothing more to discuss about it, so it moved to copyrights and patents in the software field.
explain how theres nothing to discuss? im not talking whether or not they broke a copy right law, im discussing the absurdity of the legal institutions in our modern day. like, maybe if you actually would pay attention to what im saying, rather than arguing a point that im not talking about...

[siva_chair]

Punks don't cry, they throw their fists in the air, get really drunk, and whine about the government.

Don't forget the "hardcore" dancing.

[Chu]

You could try the programming thread (re: http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=443420&page=26).

I'd like to hear what you're developing for Android, unless of course you have signed a non-disclosure agreement or something (given the nature of Android, I will say not?).

Edit: Mappy, you're the only one (well, you and the hardcore community obviously) who see it as an absurd issue. To everyone else it's blatantly obvious.

[Iscariot]

lol

explain how theres nothing to discuss? im not talking whether or not they broke a copy right law, im discussing the absurdity of the legal institutions in our modern day. like, maybe if you actually would pay attention to what im saying, rather than arguing a point that im not talking about...

:lol: GTFO of this forum please.

[siva_chair]

explain how theres nothing to discuss? im not talking whether or not they broke a copy right law, im discussing the absurdity of the legal institutions in our modern day. like, maybe if you actually would pay attention to what im saying, rather than arguing a point that im not talking about...

Yeah copyright laws suck, ok we get it. What else is there to discuss?

Are we suppose to discuss the "finer points" of your particular opinion? On the details of how some crappy band made a obviously stupid decision to use a name that would probably lead to this kind of thing?

[hismajestythepope]

It can't be because hardcore music is an image based institution
WHAT? looooooooooooooooool

you might as well just say "I have no clue what I'm talking about" right there and then.

where the music doesn't actually matter, and the "messages" portrayed by the bands are shallow and uninteresting,
first: the music you listen to is as simplistic, its just softer.
second: you dont even listen to the music, you dont know what the lyrical topics are for half the time

and anyone who wears tight jeans and dyes their hair black is allowed into the club.
not hardcore.

Never mind the purely aesthetic foundation that this genre sits on, let's call me pretentious and bathe in an unending fountain of irony.
see your points completely proved me right, because youre mocking a genre based off of things that have nothing to do with the genre. hot toppicore =/= hardcore.

It is when they name themselves after an international organization without attaining permissions from that organization.
and how does this effect the UN at all? still not answering that question.

This is another thing I hate about hardcore.

you dont even know what hardcore is lol

[hismajestythepope]

Are we suppose to discuss the "finer points" of your particular opinion? On the details of how some crappy band made a obviously stupid decision to use a name that would probably lead to this kind of thing?
in all honesty, you are not one at all to discuss what is and isn't stupid. honestly. HONESTLY.

[hismajestythepope]

:lol: GTFO of this forum please.

whine more that you cant get a job because you dont want to shave and then blame it on the republicans

[siva_chair]

Omg I thought you said this wasn't about a genre of music. Weren't you just complaining about people going offtopic? And here you are sadly defending a shitty genre of music in a thread that supposedly has nothing to do with a specific music type but "the absurdity of modern legislation."

I think you are just pissed because your brand of noise doesn't get to keep a stupid name they wanted, and that's it.

[siva_chair]

in all honesty, you are not one at all to discuss what is and isn't stupid. honestly. HONESTLY.

Yes because repeating the word honestly a few time (and even once in capital letters oh noes!!) really validates your point. Genius I say.

[hismajestythepope]

i realized it was pointless and hypocritical of me, so now im just going to point out that you kids think that hot topic mall metal is hardcore and lol about it.

[hismajestythepope]

Yes because repeating the word honestly a few time (and even once in capital letters oh noes!!) really validates your point. Genius I say.

http://facepalm.org/img.php

[Iscariot]

WHAT? looooooooooooooooool

Yeah that proved me wrong.

you might as well just say "I have no clue what I'm talking about" right there and then.

That's definitely refuting what I said. Good job. I am totally stumped now.


first: the music you listen to is as simplistic, its just softer.

You don't even listen to the music. You don't know what the lyrical topics are for half the time.

not hardcore.

Well I can't argue that evidence.

see your points completely proved me right, because youre mocking a genre based off of things that have nothing to do with the genre. hot toppicore =/= hardcore.

That's cute how you invent sub-labels when you're attacked so that you can pretend you know more than the person you're arguing with. If I were gay I'd probably bone you for that.

and how does this effect the UN at all? still not answering that question.

It defamation. A horrible band like The United Nations should not be allowed to have that name because they make the UN look worse than they already make themselves look.

you dont even know what hardcore is lol

You apparently don't know what anything outside of Mappyworld is.

in all honesty, you are not one at all to discuss what is and isn't stupid. honestly. HONESTLY.

You're really not in a position to mock Siva's intelligence when your entire "argument" consists of 14-year old insults and argumentative comments.

whine more that you cant get a job because you dont want to shave and then blame it on the republicans

Whine more about some nobody band being harassed by the UN for being retards.

[Chu]

Mappy, you're the only one (well, you and the hardcore community obviously) who see it as an absurd issue. To everyone else it's blatantly obvious.
Sorry dude, this is how it is.

You're just digging deeper...

[hismajestythepope]

Yeah that proved me wrong.
no but your post going on about why you hate hardcore, and then describing things that have nothing to do with hardcore did.



That's definitely refuting what I said. Good job. I am totally stumped now.
no just pointing out that youre way off here.

That's cute how you invent sub-labels when you're attacked so that you can pretend you know more than the person you're arguing with. If I were gay I'd probably bone you for that.
yes because i invented the term hot-topic-core. when in reality its just a term that everybody uses to mock the same **** youre confusing for hardcore.

It defamation. A horrible band like The United Nations should not be allowed to have that name because they make the UN look worse than they already make themselves look.
:lol:



You apparently don't know what anything outside of Mappyworld is.
ooooohhh ****

still doesnt change the fact that you tried to mock something to offend me and ended up looking ignorant and making me lol.


You're really not in a position to mock Siva's intelligence when your entire "argument" consists of 14-year old insults and argumentative comments.
You're right, copy and pasting posts off of blogs that make bad points is ****ing intellectual supremacy.

Whine more about some nobody band being harassed by the UN for being retards.

sorry, i thought id point out that the UN is a really petty organization, i completely forgot that you kids act like government institutions can do no wrongs.

[hismajestythepope]

Sorry dude, this is how it is.

You're just digging deeper...

i dont even care for the band, if it was a group of any sort id still have posted this thread.

its a stupid issue and the united nations shouldnt be getting involved in such petty affairs. i personally think this is a wake-up call for the people to note how stupid the issues our governments persue really are.

[Iscariot]

no but your post going on about why you hate hardcore, and then describing things that have nothing to do with hardcore did.

Show me a picture of a real hXc kid then. Prove me wrong. Let's see it.


no just pointing out that youre way off here.

And you're failing miserably.


yes because i invented the term hot-topic-core. when in reality its just a term that everybody uses to mock the same **** youre confusing for hardcore.

How does this little tid-bit make you less of a child?

"OMG no d00d it's hot-topic-core this **** isn't hXc OMG don't u no ur ****?! GOD get INFORMED!"

still doesnt change the fact that you tried to mock something to offend me and ended up looking ignorant and making me lol.

I care this much |-----------|. And oh noes I am ignorant because you disagree. The fact that you're arguing the point at all proves that I did, in fact, offend you. So goal accomplished I guess. Stand back while I pat myself on the back.

You're right, copy and pasting posts off of blogs that make bad points is ****ing intellectual supremacy.

Oh look. Unintelligent, baseless accusations towards other people that validate your own personal opinion. This is not at all characteristic of you, Mappy.

sorry, i thought id point out that the UN is a really petty organization, i completely forgot that you kids act like government institutions can do no wrongs.

Yeah sorry, I thought I'd point out that your hardcore bands are really petty organizations. I completely forgot that you hardcore kids act like hXc bands can do no wrong.

[Chu]

But it's honestly a moot point.

There is no discussions to be had here, unless you're in the mindset of a 14 real-old rebellious hardcore punk.

[hismajestythepope]

or if you dont agree with how petty and uppity humanity has become. example: toilets, and toilets with urinals.

that has nothing to do with being immature, in all honesty.
Show me a picture of a real hXc kid then. Prove me wrong. Let's see it.
http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v272/26/0/1148313151/n1148313151_99235_9039.jpg


http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1600/202/24/660264213/n660264213_1051778_6135.jpg
(in the sunglasses)

i go to shows with both of these kids, and i dont dress like either of them

And you're failing miserably.
for loling at your failed attempt to offend me because you were way off?

How does this little tid-bit make you less of a child?

"OMG no d00d it's hot-topic-core this **** isn't hXc OMG don't u no ur ****?! GOD get INFORMED!"
because its just a silly tongue and cheek term that a lot of kids use, sorry if you never heard it before

I care this much |-----------|. And oh noes I am ignorant because you disagree. The fact that you're arguing the point at all proves that I did, in fact, offend you. So goal accomplished I guess. Stand back while I pat myself on the back.
no im just laughing at you and pointing out that youre way off lol

Oh look. Unintelligent, baseless accusations towards other people that validate your own personal opinion. This is not at all characteristic of you, Mappy.
not trying to validate my opinion in any way, just making fun of the kid

Yeah sorry, I thought I'd point out that your hardcore bands are really petty organizations. I completely forgot that you hardcore kids act like hXc bands can do no wrong.
you dont seem like your pissy here or anything, just trolling really hard right?

[mph4ever]

But it's honestly a moot point.

There is no discussions to be had here, unless you're in the mindset of a 14 real-old rebellious hardcore punk.


in that case i better get involved

the united nations's, the band and the organisation are both seemingly pointless. one because the americans won't support them properly in their efforts to make athe world a better place and the other because they thought it would be an easy way to attract attention by calling themselves after such a pointless organisation

if they are hardcore then whey didn't they call themselves something like "death to all pigs in the nypd" instead of some neutral non aggressive orgainsation who has the betterment of humainty at its core. surely mappy can see this. the inpact of a gig in brooklyn by the united nations is nothing, try doing a gig there with a band called "death to all pigs in the nypd"

[hismajestythepope]

well no because hardcore is just a style of punk, its called hardcore because the musics heavy and raw, nothing to do with tuffguy ethos, although jersey and new york kids really really want it to.

[siva_chair]

Hardcore would be having a band that is called "**** Muhammad" and doing a tour in the middle east, kicking things off in Mecca.

[hismajestythepope]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63EZos7VhgU

[mph4ever]

well no because hardcore is just a style of punk, its called hardcore because the musics heavy and raw, nothing to do with tuffguy ethos, although jersey and new york kids really really want it to.

ok. so why bother picking the name of a humanitarian organisation in the knowledge that you are going to attract attention

[hismajestythepope]

im not really sure what their reasoning behind their name choice was, but theyre definitely not a meathead band by any means.

[mph4ever]

im not really sure what their reasoning behind their name choice was, but theyre definitely not a meathead band by any means.


perhaps they just chose two random words and an emblem that just happened to be almost identical to that of the united nations

[Chu]

in that case i better get involved

the united nations's, the band and the organisation are both seemingly pointless. one because the americans won't support them properly in their efforts to make athe world a better place and the other because they thought it would be an easy way to attract attention by calling themselves after such a pointless organisation

if they are hardcore then whey didn't they call themselves something like "death to all pigs in the nypd" instead of some neutral non aggressive orgainsation who has the betterment of humainty at its core. surely mappy can see this. the inpact of a gig in brooklyn by the united nations is nothing, try doing a gig there with a band called "death to all pigs in the nypd"
Yes, yes, I don't really know what a hardcore band is, I was assuming a hardcore band, but yeah fair point.
I assumed the name choice was an attempt at humour, but backfired (maybe they didn't realise how offensive the UN would find it).

I got a bit raged up, apologies Mappy.

[mph4ever]

anyway, i read their wiki page. looks like it may be a very old idea gone wrong

words like supergroup, and mystery around who is in the band. more like slipknot meets deep purple

someone needs to tell us why they chose the name.

[hismajestythepope]

nah, they kept their identities hush hush (except the singers) until their first show
perhaps they just chose two random words and an emblem that just happened to be almost identical to that of the united nations

that has to be it!

[mph4ever]

word

[DBoons Ghost]

Mappy you killed yourself in this thread.

I understand your perspective but you've got your issues all wrong plus you apparently don't know much about hardcore and the violent connotations it carries, not because of NY and NJ kids, but because of the genre as a whole.

I dunno anything about this band. I do know no one is censoring anyone. If a band like Anal Cunt can exist and thrive, it's obvious there is no censorship in hardcore music.

These dudes who named their band after an international organization in an effort to mock or discredit them are really stupid for not checking international patent laws before using their name and logo. The logo is apparently protected by copyright laws and if it isn't then we can all agree the UN is abusing it's power and bullying this band. Neither has anything to do with censorship.

Take your head out of your *** and fess up. I doubt the UN is telling them they can't sing what they want. criticize who they want etc etc.. they just can't do it using the likeness of the United Nations.

[hismajestythepope]

I'm saying that in my area, at shows, fights are generally started by NY and NJ kids, with their wigger crews and Earth Crisis hoodies.

And I admit, I miss-used the word, "censorship," but they're still denying the band a large medium of advertisement over a petty issue.

[sweboy]

Mappy you killed yourself in this thread.

I understand your perspective but you've got your issues all wrong plus you apparently don't know much about hardcore and the violent connotations it carries, not because of NY and NJ kids, but because of the genre as a whole.

I dunno anything about this band. I do know no one is censoring anyone. If a band like Anal Cunt can exist and thrive, it's obvious there is no censorship in hardcore music.

These dudes who named their band after an international organization in an effort to mock or discredit them are really stupid for not checking international patent laws before using their name and logo. The logo is apparently protected by copyright laws and if it isn't then we can all agree the UN is abusing it's power and bullying this band. Neither has anything to do with censorship.

Take your head out of your *** and fess up. I doubt the UN is telling them they can't sing what they want. criticize who they want etc etc.. they just can't do it using the likeness of the United Nations.

i thought you were punk man ):

[hismajestythepope]

dboon is a moral sellout

[DBoons Ghost]

i thought you were punk man ):

I'm as punk as **** when it applies to the music, the music industry or the defense of DIY ideals but this is a legal matter. It doesn't count.

[hismajestythepope]

a legal matter based on petty idiocy !!!

[DBoons Ghost]

dboon is a moral sellout

Big time. That's besides the point.

I will defend the music and their right to play it. I will respect them for pouring their hearts into it if that's indeed what they do. For me punk will always be about the music and my stance on being anti music industry because that's the punk I grew up with.

That's where it ends though.

[DBoons Ghost]

a legal matter based on petty idiocy !!!

It's petty to you and a small collection of youth.

It's not petty to the United Nations and all they strive to accomplish, even if it's laughable.

I dunno. I never heard this band and I never heard of them before this thread. Not that I would anyway. I mean, I don't dig this kind of music anymore.

What the PMRC did to the DKs back in the day (forcing them to change their album, cover) was censorship. Even Jello was smart enough to back off and change the stupid album cover. Ya dig?

What this band tried to pull off was stupidity. There's a solid difference.

[hismajestythepope]

how is it not petty in the scale of what the UN strives to accomplish? this should be a non-issue to that organization.

[sweboy]

Jello is a sellout

[hismajestythepope]

jello is bad because crushed up animal bonerz

[DBoons Ghost]

how is it not petty in the scale of what the UN strives to accomplish? this should be a non-issue to that organization.

I'm not going to argue with your opinion. I respect it. You're totally entitled to it. You backed off calling it censorship. That was the only point I really wanted to make.

Anything after I can't really argue because I'm not sure the UN has legal grounds to force this band to do anything.

[hismajestythepope]

important news: my tummy hurts

[FIGHTCRIMEALLTHETIME]

i have to agree i think it is pretty stupid i can understand the logo but nobody made the presidents of the united states change their band name

[Der Übermensch]

Because it isn't a copyrighted term I imagine.

[mph4ever]

hey, leave jello the **** out of this. it has nothing to do with him

[hismajestythepope]

on the topic of jello:
jello and other gelatin based products are gross.

gelatin comes from animal bones.

also, extra-calcium products? ground up animal bones.

=c

[Iscariot]

Yum.

[siva_chair]

Wait wtf is wrong with eating animal bones?

[Iscariot]

itz liek murdor n stuff u shud all eet plantz and green tings becuz they dun feel pain

[siva_chair]

The steak I ate the other day was once a vegetarian.....it seemed to work out well for it....

[Iscariot]

:lol:

You pretty much just determined what I'm going to eat at Shari's this week. I'll probably get the 16oz. t-bone with mashed potatoes and a side of onion rings.

OMG YES!

[Iskandar]

Get fries instead if you can. Mashed potatoes suck.

[siva_chair]

That sounds delicious.

EDIT: OMG fuk u Iskandar mashed potatoes are awesome.

[Iscariot]

Get fries instead if you can. Mashed potatoes suck.

Well, their mashed potatoes do kind of suck TBH. They're all lumpy and shi, but their fries aren't that great either, so I'd probably go the way of the mashed taters.

That sounds delicious.

It is. It really, really is.

[Iscariot]

EDIT: OMG fuk u Iskandar mashed potatoes are awesome.

When I make mashed potatoes they're so dope. I whip them until they're completely smooth and then slather them with cheese, bacon, and gravy.

/jerks off

[siva_chair]

Well, nothing beats a twice baked potato, but mashed potatoes are still teh awesome.

[Iscariot]

Twice baked potatoes make me cum.

[Iskandar]

EDIT: OMG fuk u Iskandar mashed potatoes are awesome.Garlic mashed potatoes are. Plain is just bland.
When I make mashed potatoes they're so dope. I whip them until they're completely smooth and then slather them with cheese, bacon, and gravy.

/jerks offI think I could do without the cheese, bacon and gravy. I mean, I plan to live past 30.

Plus it's not kosher.

[Iscariot]

Who cares about kosher? And lol @ planning to live past 30.

Having mashed potatoes loaded with delicious and unhealthy things once or twice a year will not kill you.

You're more likely to die from breathing in the noxious fumes we call oxygen every day.

[Iskandar]

Who cares about kosher?Who's yehudi?

I am yehudi.

[siva_chair]

Garlic mashed potatoes are. Plain is just bland.

You must have shitty potatoes in Canada or something idk.

[Iskandar]

You must have poopty potatoes in Canada or something idk.Actually PEI has killer russet potatoes. That's about the only thing they're good at. They're essentially Canada's Delaware.

Yukon potatoes are good too. Also the only thing they're good at since the gold ran out.

[siva_chair]

Well then I don't see what your problem is. :p

I can't say if they are good or not, as I've never had Cantatoes as far as i know.

[Iskandar]

All this talk of potatoes is making me want to walk to the corner and get a bag of kettle chips. The store isn't open yet though.

[hismajestythepope]

itz liek murdor n stuff u shud all eet plantz and green tings becuz they dun feel pain

oh wow that is like so mature bro

[Iscariot]

oh wow that is like so mature bro

It's about as mature as the Vegan belief system is logical.

[Iskandar]

I'm a level five vegan. I don't eat anything that casts a shadow.

[siva_chair]

I'm a level 15 carnivore. I'll eat a fukkin person if I have to.

[fingers mccoy]

Garlic mashed potatoes are. Plain is just bland.

That's the point you add butter make em proper milky maybe add chives and that then they soak up the juices from whatever else you're eating it's a textural thing but do not underestimate the taste of the potato especially if you boil them up along with the peelings in like a muslin bag or something it's great and

on the topic of jello:
jello and other gelatin based products are gross.

gelatin comes from animal bones.


i'm a vegetarian but i make allowances for jelly call me a hypocrite but in the case of jelly i think the animals are dying for a higher cause and jelly is a quivering ectoplasmic lump of holy sacrifice plus you can get vegetarian jelly not the same it comes in sheets it's good you have to flavour it yourself for me this is not the jelly experience but that's because jelly takes me back to those times you know you got your racing car mould and your layers of blackcurrant and raspberry there's really a lot to be said for it

[hismajestythepope]

you want people digging up your bones, grinding them up, and throwing them in some trailor trash's nesquick for extra calcium?

[fingers mccoy]

you want people digging up your bones, grinding them up, and throwing them in some trailor trash's nesquick for extra calcium?

i dont give a **** do i how can you respect an inanimate object

why do i care how nutrients from my body are processed after death? decomposition is always gonna happen, unless i request for my body to be sealed in a vacuum after i die. Is that your chosen method of burial? or are you gonna be launched into the sun? dissolved in acid? melted down and used to bind a bible? really wanting everyone who dies to be fossilised or preserved in a box isnt the reason i became a vegetarian.

[siva_chair]

you want people digging up your bones, grinding them up, and throwing them in some trailor trash's nesquick for extra calcium?

Why would you care, you don't need them anymore.

[gregulus]

you want people digging up your bones, grinding them up, and throwing them in some trailor trash's nesquick for extra calcium?

It's arguments like this that make the vegetarian/vegan ethos look utterly ridiculous.

This whole thread is a mind****. This isn't really a big deal at all. The band probably sucked anyway. Also, lol at the punk is the only music with meaning comment. Also, the average hardcore kid is just another mindless goon who's ultimately no better than the jock down the street. Collecting 10 different colors of the same 7'' is more important than actually standing for something. ITT blind idealism makes me lol.

[honourosis]

band sux dix

[siva_chair]

It's arguments like this that make the vegetarian/vegan ethos look utterly ridiculous.

This whole thread is a mind****. This isn't really a big deal at all. The band probably sucked anyway. Also, lol at the punk is the only music with meaning comment. Also, the average hardcore kid is just another mindless goon who's ultimately no better than the jock down the street. Collecting 10 different colors of the same 7'' is more important than actually standing for something. ITT blind idealism makes me lol.

Hey man did you get the rest of those files?

[gregulus]

Hey man did you get the rest of those files?

Yes. Sorry I didn't e-mail you back saying that I did. I completely forgot about it. I haven't had time to listen yet, as school has started up and I've been busy, but the anticipation is great. Thanks again.

[hismajestythepope]

It's arguments like this that make the vegetarian/vegan ethos look utterly ridiculous.
nice supports there.

This whole thread is a mind****. This isn't really a big deal at all. [/quote]
its not a big deal by any means, i was just trying to get a discussion going on how much **** the powers that be get into that doesn't really matter at all.

The band probably sucked anyway.
band's pretty tight, if they weren't so generic i'd probably be obsessed.

Also, lol at the punk is the only music with meaning comment.
nicely done, what with getting jokes.

Also, the average hardcore kid is just another mindless goon who's ultimately no better than the jock down the street.
thats' not hardcore kids, that's meatheads obsessed with bands like fury of five.

Collecting 10 different colors of the same 7'' is more important than actually standing for something.
okay?

ITT blind idealism makes me lol.
okay?

[gregulus]

thats' not hardcore kids, that's meatheads obsessed with bands like fury of five.
No, that's also the average kid obsessed with bands like Have Heart, Trash Talk and the Mongoloids. Looking the part takes precedent over actually standing for something.

[Luc214]

taken from hardcore and emo:


last time i checked, the UN wasn't founded to censor artists based off of such petty things as a ****ing emblem and name.

does anybody else think this is retarded?

pretty ridiculous

[Against Miik!]

Yeah people might get the two confused so I think Geoff Rickley and crew should cease and desist immediately.

[ThePalaceOfWisdom]

No, that's also the average kid obsessed with bands like Have Heart, Trash Talk and the Mongoloids. Looking the part takes precedent over actually standing for something.

Yeah you really don't know what you're talking about. Despite what you think there isn't a wardrobe for hardcore.

[gregulus]

Yeah you really don't know what you're talking about. Despite what you think there isn't a wardrobe for hardcore.

If you're saying that hardcore is immune to fashion trends, then you couldn't be more wrong. The "look" is what a lot of kids identify most with.

[ThePalaceOfWisdom]

If you're saying that hardcore is immune to fashion trends, then you couldn't be more wrong. The "look" is what a lot of kids identify most with.

Describe this "look" assoicated with hardcore. The tough guys you were describing before aren't part of hardcore. They're just run of the mill douches who a few years ago would've been doing the same **** to Slipknot. Douchey tough guys aren't representative of the genre of music or it's fans.

[gregulus]

Describe this "look" assoicated with hardcore. The tough guys you were describing before aren't part of hardcore. They're just run of the mill douches who a few years ago would've been doing the same **** to Slipknot. Douchey tough guys aren't representative of the genre of music or it's fans.

Currently, it seems to be flannel or a band shirt, tight jeans, a sock cap hanging off of your head and old-school Vans. Of course this is liable to change some, depending on the season, the region, etc. but the general idea is still the same. This isn't the "tough guy" image. This is a re-hash of an earlier, more "classic" hardcore look. Tough guy hardcore is complete bullshit, but that's not what I'm describing. Bands like Biohazard, Fury of Five, Crown of Thornz, etc. are (fortunately) not what's in right now. Anyway, the fashion or look that I'm talking about I don't mean to peg as the problem. There has always been that aesthetic factor in hardcore and that will never change. The problem that I'm concerned with is how it seems like that aesthetic now is the only thing that identifies someone as being a part of the hardcore scene. The latest band shirts, the latest record on multiple colored vinyls, the biggest fests to meet this Bridge 9 poster or that one, etc have all seemed to take precedent over actively living a lifestyle outside of what is considered "typical."

[DJ Karl Marx]

the worst thing about the hardcore scene is their dance moves, not their fasion, ha ha ha

[siva_chair]

Yes. Sorry I didn't e-mail you back saying that I did. I completely forgot about it. I haven't had time to listen yet, as school has started up and I've been busy, but the anticipation is great. Thanks again.

That's good. I was just hoping they uploaded properly because I had been having trouble with them earlier. Let me know what you think once you get a chance to listen. :thumb: