Presidential Pardons

[TheDarkHorse]

I hope Bush Pardons Michael Vick that would be cool.

Discuss the commutations which occurred today, and the 'what-ifs' that you would like to see.

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[Badmoon]

Lets pardon everyone on deathrow

[Mr. Ron]

I'm glad he commuted the sentences those border patrol agents.

[TheDarkHorse]

That seems to be the general consensus. Maybe not on dailyKos and the other far-left media like NBC news.

[siva_chair]

Free Leonard Peltier

[Aaron]

The presidential pardon is a stupid power-abusive concept.

[mph4ever]

he should pre-emptively pardon cheney, rumsfeld and most of his cabinets

[Already_Taken]

The presidential pardon is a stupid power-abusive concept.

it's necessary; and if there is one man in the land to pardon somebody it should be the president.

[Aaron]

Why is it?

[Already_Taken]

it's too much for me to explain. i feel it has to do with national security, and mainly cases that cannot be outlined in hard lines. therefore it is left to the president.

[JohnXDoe3]

I'm glad he commuted the sentences those border patrol agents.
i'm not. they tried to cover up what they did because they knew they were guilty of something. so, while the judgment against them still stands i think they should have been allowed to serve their time

its not about who the person was they shot or w/e, its about their action. which was apparently unlawful and criminal. so...serve the time

water under the bridge....

[Aaron]

it's too much for me to explain. i feel it has to do with national security, and mainly cases that cannot be outlined in hard lines. therefore it is left to the president.
That's a stupid excuse. Let's sweep it under the rug and label it 'national-security'. There should be transparency and documentation of every decision made in government, and everyone should be accountable. There's an appeal process that exists, that should be sufficient.

[Iskandar]

the other far-left media like NBC news.... ???

I don't think you know what far left is.

[TheDarkHorse]

I was doing my best Bill-O'reilly impression

[Iskandar]

Well, you're wrong! You know that? You're wrong!

[AA-12]

Well, you're wrong! You know that? You're wrong!

Excuse me bu*mic cut*

[YellowRoseofTexas]

I'm glad he commuted the sentences those border patrol agents.

Oh he pardoned the Mexicans? Gee, that is one swell guy!

[Foehammer]

I hope Bush Pardons Michael Vick that would be cool.


I hope bush pardons my posts that would be cool.

[Der Übermensch]

i'm not. they tried to cover up what they did because they knew they were guilty of something. so, while the judgment against them still stands i think they should have been allowed to serve their time

its not about who the person was they shot or w/e, its about their action. which was apparently unlawful and criminal. so...serve the time

water under the bridge....

They didn't cover up anything illegal though from what I've read. They shot at the guy and hit him, but weren't sure. They didn't report the shooting is all. If they had said "we shot at him, maybe hit him, maybe not" they would have been fine. And it's not like they shot at some poor schmuck trying to come work as a gardener. They shot at a drug smuggler who CONTINUED TO SMUGGLE while a protected witness for their trial...

[JohnXDoe3]

yes but did THEY know he was a drug smuggler when they shot him? i am familiar with the incident up to a certain point, but perhaps some new facts have been found? i'll have to brush up if so

if they shot at someone and thought they may have hit him they should have reported it imo. immediately. its a shooting incident which is pretty serious. and if they shot at someone who very well could have been a gardener it makes the whloe thing even more shady

i don't think they're bad guys. and maybe the sentence was too stiff. but for me this is a matter of the officers actions, plain and simple. and their presence of mind when they took such action

i support law enforcement. believe officers do a great job. but when they are wrong they are wrong and must pay same as anyone. perhaps especially because they are sworn to uphold the law

maybe they will never work in law enforcment again. i assume they won't. that may have to be good enough. if so, fine

[Der Übermensch]

I haven't read into details on the case, but I believe he attacked them, and fled, and that was when they shot him. He tried drowning one of them or something if I recall right. I'm not certain about it though, so don't take it as fact. I do know for fact they knew he was a drug runner from the start.

maybe they will never work in law enforcment again
They had sentence commuted. Not pardoned. They are still convicted felons.

[TheDarkHorse]

They had sentence commuted. Not pardoned. They are still convicted felons.
which is precisely why they may never work in law enforcement

[Der Übermensch]

...no sh!t...

I don't see why you need to reiterate my point...

[TheDarkHorse]

I don't see why you had to show you knew the difference between 'pardon' and 'commutation' when it was entirely irrelevant.

[Jude]

Who else did he pardon

I haven't heard of any besides these two border patrol dudes

[Der Übermensch]

I don't see why you had to show you knew the difference between 'pardon' and 'commutation' when it was entirely irrelevant.

I'm pretty sure the context of my point was quite clear in relation to the post it was in reply too.

[JohnXDoe3]

Who else did he pardon

I haven't heard of any besides these two border patrol dudes
a bunch of folks before them. they were the last ones and he did it under petition / pressure from some congressman / senators. not sure if he really wanted to, but apparently he was swayed

others were some corporate people, political people, and criminals, of course. one a notorious drug dealer who has turned his life around and done good work. he did his time, but i guess his record was wiped clean. or at least can now be excused somehow

not really sure how all that works

anyway its a really loooong list:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_by_George_W._Bush

[Kucinichism]

Free Leonard Peltier

I second this motion.

[Mr. Ron]

i'm not. they tried to cover up what they did because they knew they were guilty of something. so, while the judgment against them still stands i think they should have been allowed to serve their time

its not about who the person was they shot or w/e, its about their action. which was apparently unlawful and criminal. so...serve the time

water under the bridge....
frankly i don't really care if they tried to cover it up.

[JohnXDoe]

its funny because i get the feeling you support law enforcement from some of your posts. at least that is my impression

unless law enforcement break the law you seem to respect so much :confused:

i may be wrong but w/e

[Mr. Ron]

I was being facetious. However, I do not think they did anything worth the sentence that was prescribed. They thought he pulled a gun, they responded. They didn't report anything because they didn't think they even hit him.

[JohnXDoe]

understood. water under the bridge like i said. i'm sure they're good guys, they lost much, and no one died

the border is a hard place. i live just 120m away and have seen it first hand on several occasions. its not easy out there