Holocaust™ discussion

[Fish Wanker]

Continuation for Mr. Ron

Why did Auschwitz have a swimming pool?
brothel?
library?
orchestra?
musical theatre?
marriages?
camp money?
prisoner infirmaries?
postal office?
mug shots?

[Mr. Ron]

Continuation for Mr. Ron

Why did Auschwitz have a swimming pool?
brothel?
library?
orchestra?
musical theatre?
marriages?
camp money?
prisoner infirmaries?
postal office?
mug shots?
you tell me

really, where is your reputable source of data for all of this? Reveal your sources that come from reputable origin and I will continue.

[sweboy]

Reveal your sources!!!!!

[Fish Wanker]

Camp orchestra, prisoners are shown with their uniforms:
http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/3/1/6/f_Orchestram_54b34ce.jpg&srv=img33

Auschwitz theatre;
http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/3/1/6/f_Theaterm_a410d09.jpg&srv=img32
http://www.theatrehistory.com/german/holocaust001.html

Prisoner infirmaries used to treat diseased Jews!
http://isurvived.org/Pictures_iSurvived-3/AUSCHWITZ-1_Map.GIF

Swimming pool near inmates barracks:
http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/3/12/28/f_AuschwitzPom_e5bf1b2.jpg
http://i32.tinypic.com/72cb35.jpg

Brothel and upstairs library:
http://img34.picoodle.com/img/img34/3/1/9/f_brotausm_a25c46f.jpg
http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/3/1/6/f_brothm_cd9e38b.jpg&srv=img33
Info: http://www.auschwitz.org.pl/new/index.php?id=1334&tryb=news_big&language=EN

Camp currency printed by the Germans:
http://www.historama.com/online-resources/history-collecting-resources/fakes/Auschwitz_50_Pfennig_pramienschein_paper_token.jpg

Postal office letter for an Auschwitz laborer: http://img37.picoodle.com/img/img37/3/1/16/f_letterm_0cf934d.jpg

Name: Josef Novy
Date of Birth: 27th April 1911
Prisoner Number: 73,034. Block 9a, Concentration Camp Auschwitz, Post Office II

translation: My dear ones!

I’m in good health, and I’m alright - I hope the same applies to you. I’ve received 3 letters and 6 parcels from you recently - all in good shape. Letters and parcels may not be sent registered, just send the parcels as per the first ones. The first parcels made me very happy - particularly the chocolate honey and the many sweets - please send more like that. My brother Jarde and aunt Milka could also send me packages - I would be very grateful. Send the money as I previously asked you, i.e., RM 40.- per month.

From now on I shall only be allowed to write once a month. Your lovely letters are a source of great happiness, and I look forward to receiving more. Please don’t forget to send me garlic, onions, and enough sugar. I thank you for everything you have done for me, and I hope that you will not forget about me. I’m always with you in my thoughts, and am looking forward to seeing you again. Please give my regards to all friends and relations, especially the Faila family.

Your thankful son, Josef

PS. You can send parcels frequently.

Allied soldiers and a group of deloused inmate clothing:
http://i40.tinypic.com/2ebe1eg.jpg
Clothing was still being gassed until the end of the war

Auschwitz laborers, yes Jews were needed for labor and considered valuable.
http://www.ushmm.org/lcmedia/photo/lc/image/19/19319a.jpg
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Brobrek.jpg

Why make mugshots of prisoners if you are going to gas them to death and keep everything a secret?
http://www.ushmm.org/lcmedia/photo/lc/image/90/90354.jpg


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Here are pictures usually used in holocaust websites with labels citing Jewish deaths by Nazis. They are shrunk down so detail would be harder to distinguish and reality could be twisted as these show Soviet uniformed, Soviet sub-machine gun wielding soldiers killing in Ukraine.

http://i42.tinypic.com/2ykndle.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/2ykndle.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/6qjog8.jpg

Example of Allied fabrications:
Here is an outside view of a homicidal gas chamber:
http://i40.tinypic.com/6oiefb.jpg

Funny how it looks just like an air raid shelter and it is located directly across the street from the camp commandants office.It would have been funny if the camp had an air raid and the commandant ran into it for cover and was accidently gassed to death.
Ha, ha,..the jokes on you commandant! It's a gas chamber!
The big chimney behind it was built after the war to give it that gas chamber look.

It isn't attached to the building, it has no function at all other than to give the "gas chamber" an ominous look.
It must have been a bitch getting all those dead people out through that little door too, especially manuvering around the tight entry way.

[Mr. Ron]

congrats, you proved nothing at all besides linking us to pics with no reputable sources.

[Fish Wanker]

Lulz dude, look I gave you actual photographs of the inmate pool, orchestra, theatre, and also information and pics of the brothel and a postal record. Holocaust memorial websites agree that such things exist and confirm the brothels took place among other things.

[Mr. Ron]

the existence of those only shows their existence, nothing else, and in no way proves that the holocaust never happened.

By your logic: "The jews had latrines AND BEDS!? THE HOLOCAUST IS A LIE!11!!"

[Surtr]

So what's your over all point? I didn't get to see the other thread or whatever.

I also I lol'd.

[Fish Wanker]

Look dumbarze, Why would a death camp need all those things? Can you ever finally answer the simple arse question? Why give your pure hated enemies for death all those privileges? Why is the pool always omitted in an Auschwitz tour?

Also don't put words in my mouth and gj on your own logic cause it sucks.

Latrines and beds were obviously needed so the Jews could continue to ya know, live and labor?

Look at the chimney that was placed atop an air-raid shelter. False info for a fake gas chamber, there you go for an example. tnx for ignorin dat 2

[Linkinbassist]

Because it wasn't converted to a deathcamp till mid 1942.

All that stuff there that 'proves' it wasn't a death camp only proves one thing: that it wasn't a prupose-built death camp to start. Treblinka, for example, was purpose-built from the start for the prupose of extermination..

[Mr. Ron]

Look dumbarze, Why would a death camp need all those things? Can you ever finally answer the simple arse question? Why give your pure hated enemies for death all those privileges? Why is the pool always omitted in an Auschwitz tour?

Also don't put words in my mouth and gj on your own logic cause it sucks.

Latrines and beds were obviously needed so the Jews could continue to ya know, live and labor?

Look at the chimney that was placed atop an air-raid shelter. False info for a fake gas chamber, there you go for an example. tnx for ignorin dat 2
Ok, lets say the pools were for the jews. However, who says all jews had access to it? You do know that there were jews hired by the nazis in the camps to work as both informants and lackies, right? Maybe they were the only ones who could use it due to their slightly higher position in order to keep them happy? This is all speculation, but that could easily explain it.

The orchestra and theatre houses were purely for the entertainment of the nazi personelle

you have no proof that is an air raid shelter




again, you're providing no reputable links to anyhting. You lose the game.

[FakePlasticTrees]

wow. Just wow.

[Fish Wanker]

Because it wasn't converted to a deathcamp till mid 1942.

All that stuff there that 'proves' it wasn't a death camp only proves one thing: that it wasn't a prupose-built death camp to start. Treblinka, for example, was purpose-built from the start for the prupose of extermination..

No it doesn't because all those things were active until the end of the war.

[FakePlasticTrees]

How do you know that?

[Fish Wanker]

Ok, lets say the pools were for the jews. However, who says all jews had access to it? You do know that there were jews hired by the nazis in the camps to work as both informants and lackies, right? Maybe they were the only ones who could use it due to their slightly higher position in order to keep them happy? This is all speculation, but that could easily explain it.

The orchestra and theatre houses were purely for the entertainment of the nazi personelle

you have no proof that is an air raid shelter




again, you're providing no reputable links to anyhting. You lose the game.
No, I don't lose you already lost from the start with your reluctance towards everything and one sentence wonder rebuttals. I don't care for your lousy speculation. had you read outside this forum and you would realize major holocaust memorial websites do not deny these things but try to cover it up. For instance, the pool was apparently a fire brigade reservoir disguised as a pool build in the end of 1944. lulz!!!!!111!!!!0 You have no proof that orchestra is for jewz its actually so nazis could hev fun! lol

[Mr. Ron]

No, I don't lose you already lost from the start with your reluctance towards everything and one sentence wonder rebuttals. I don't care for your lousy speculation. had you read outside this forum and you would realize major holocaust memorial websites do not deny these things but try to cover it up. For instance, the pool was apparently a fire brigade reservoir disguised as a pool build in the end of 1944. lulz!!!!!111!!!!0 You have no proof that orchestra is for jewz its actually so nazis could hev fun! lol
no see you still can't provide us with ANY reputable links. At all. So until you do that instead of posting pics we have no reason to take anything that you say seriously.

[griftadan]

do we really have to link picture to starving and dead people in these camps? they're literally everywhere on the net

[Linkinbassist]

No it doesn't because all those things were active until the end of the war.

Yes, they were used by prisoners untill the end of the war. However, they had to earn the use of the pool/whorehouse etc.

Jewish/prisoner orchestras were used to play in guests and dignitaries. I'm not exaggerating when i say knowing an instrument saved your life during the holocaust.

The infirmary was converted for Joseph Mengele's work when it was fully converted into a death camp. So yes, technically it was in operation, but not as an infirmary like you and i would be accustom to.

That 'Air-raid shelter' is a gas chamber. Maps, oral histories and photographic evidence backs me up on this.

I don't get it, does this ****face really think the Holocaust never happened? As a History Degree student, this actually boils my blood.

[Fish Wanker]

no see you still can't provide us with ANY reputable links. At all. So until you do that instead of posting pics we have no reason to take anything that you say seriously.

I already ****ing did you moron, go back and check and look at something outside this forum do your google search stop being a lazy person.

Yes, they were used by prisoners untill the end of the war. However, they had to earn the use of the pool/whorehouse etc.

Jewish/prisoner orchestras were used to play in guests and dignitaries. I'm not exaggerating when i say knowing an instrument saved your life during the holocaust.

The infirmary was converted for Joseph Mengele's work when it was fully converted into a death camp. So yes, technically it was in operation, but not as an infirmary like you and i would be accustom to.

That 'Air-raid shelter' is a gas chamber. Maps, oral histories and photographic evidence backs me up on this.

I don't get it, does this ****face really think the Holocaust never happened? As a History Degree student, this actually boils my blood. Nah dick head now I'll use captain Ron's faggorific logic and demand you to prove all your ****. P.s. the chimney was made much later for that shelter.

[Mr. Ron]

I already ****ing did you moron, go back and check and look at something outside this forum do your google search stop being a lazy person.
No, no you didn't. You posted some pictures with no reputable source. Holy **** have you ever typed a research paper before? You should know how to cite reliable sources.



Nah dick head now I'll use captain Ron's faggorific logic and demand you to prove all your ****. P.s. the chimney was made much later for that shelter.
lol ironic


P.S. show us your source that says that about the chimney. Come on if you so readily know all of this then you should have a vast host of links and sources.

[Linkinbassist]

I already ****ing did you moron, go back and check and look at something outside this forum do your google search stop being a lazy person.

Those links are not reputable. A picture of aprisoners orchestra only shows me that there were some prisoners somewhere around the time of the concentrations camps. It doesn't imply death camps, it doesn't imply jews. Not only that, but it's on a photobucket-type account and that's not reputable in the slightest.

[Fish Wanker]

No, no you didn't. You posted some pictures with no reputable source. Holy **** have you ever typed a research paper before? You should know how to cite reliable sources.

Then you didn't look at everything captain Moron, go back and look. The Holocaust memorial museum confirms these things but tries to cover it up. I didn't only post pictures.

[Linkinbassist]

Nah dick head now I'll use captain Ron's faggorific logic and demand you to prove all your ****. P.s. the chimney was made much later for that shelter.

Okay, Order this:-

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Auschwitz-Nazis-Solution-Dominic-Sutherland/dp/B0006FNXNA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1232238094&sr=8-1

Watch it. It was overseen by the worlds leading Historian on WWII and Hitler, Proffesor Sir Ian Kershaw, and advised also by Lawrence Rees.

And the chimney was made later because the crematoria were built later on in the camps life.

Seriously, what are you trying to get at?

[Fish Wanker]

^^ You ****ing idiot read the links I posted, this has been confirmed. I'm not going to spoon feed you every single link to everything. The pool was tried for a cover up, one that sucks. The brothel was confirmed, so has the theatre. Go read before you post.

edit: to guy above you.


As for you, Amazon linking doesn't work for me as some kind of proof.


Seriously, what are you trying to get at? It was a friggin air raid shelter. gas chambers don't have glass windows or small wooden doors and big misplaced chimneys slapped ontop.

[Mr. Ron]

^^ You ****ing idiot read the links I posted, this has been confirmed. I'm not going to spoon feed you every single link to everything. The pool was tried for a cover up, one that sucks. The brothel was confirmed, so has the theatre. Go read before you post.

edit: to guy above you.


As for you, Amazon linking doesn't work for me as some kind of proof.

It was a friggin air raid shelter. gas chambers don't have glass windows or small wooden doors and big misplaced chimneys slapped ontop.
http://i43.tinypic.com/11izqx1.jpg

[griftadan]

It was a friggin air raid shelter. gas chambers don't have glass windows or small wooden doors and big misplaced chimneys slapped ontop.

what do gas chambers look like

[Linkinbassist]

^^ You ****ing idiot read the links I posted, this has been confirmed. I'm not going to spoon feed you every single link to everything. The pool was tried for a cover up, one that sucks. The brothel was confirmed, so has the theatre. Go read before you post.

edit: to guy above you.


As for you, Amazon linking doesn't work for me as some kind of proof.

The Brothel was confirmed, yes. I know this. I have Articles on the existance of the Brothel, and of the Theatre and subsequent theatre company. The pool has similar relevance to the Brothel, i.e. it existed and was for rewards of good behaviour for prisoners, usually those who worked in the 'Canada' section of the camp where the sorting depots were, but were also rewards for those in the main camp.

Buy the DVD i linked you to. that was the point.

Can somebody explain to me what this guy is about, please? I just have no idea what his goal in this thread is...

[Fish Wanker]

what do gas chambers look like

Like this:
http://progressiveworldreview.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/gas-chamber.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2104/2188548836_d394aea12e.jpg

Not like this alleged gassing room;
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/2005Photos/GasChamberDoor03.jpg

The Brothel was confirmed, yes. I know this. I have Articles on the existance of the Brothel, and of the Theatre and subsequent theatre company. The pool has similar relevance to the Brothel, i.e. it existed and was for rewards of good behaviour for prisoners, usually those who worked in the 'Canada' section of the camp where the sorting depots were, but were also rewards for those in the main camp.

Buy the DVD i linked you to. that was the point.

Can somebody explain to me what this guy is about, please? I just have no idea what his goal in this thread is... You have to prove it to me, this thread is now dubbed faggorific Ron's thread, you have to rpove and label everything carefully! Don't link pics to a real Missouri gas chamber for humans to die in, cause it might have been completely made up. I probably made these in my home and took picz rai now.

[Mr. Ron]

hahahahahahaha

[Iskandar]

Okay, this thread is degenerating fast, as I assumed it would, so unless it turns rapidly into a civil and informative discussion on the Holocaust I'm going to close it.

[Linkinbassist]

The missouri gas chamber and that other gas chamber (that looks reminiscent of, if not excalty like, the russian compression chambers used to test the effects of altitude pressures on humans pre-manned space flights) were designed after the gas chambers of German Death Camps. ergo, they will be smaller and more advanced.

There's a Guardian Article online about the Brothels. I have it photocopied somewhere in my files...Still, i don't know what you're trying to prove other than privilidged prisoners were allowed nice things :/ Mostly political prisoners.

[thedeadwalk!]

I'm not sure what Fish Wanker is trying to get at, but I don't think even his sources back him up.

Auschwitz theatre;
http://www.theatrehistory.com/german/holocaust001.html
That article is about Dachau. Auschwitz isn't even mentioned. Also, this quote isn't exactly a resounding endorsement by the SS officers:
Performances in Dachau were, in the nature of things, extremely undercover, being carried out by the prisoners at great personal risk. There were no specific camp orders forbidding this form of entertainment but its discovery would have so infuriated the S.S. camp guards that torture and death would have followed automatically.

Moving on to the brothels:
Brothel:
http://www.auschwitz.org.pl/new/index.php?id=1334&tryb=news_big&language=EN
So:
The women were recruited from among the prisoners. Some of them did so under compulsion, while others, mostly professional prostitutes, volunteered. “It was a choice between the house of prostitution or death,” explains Robert Sommer, a German historian who is working on a book on the subject. “Many of these women would have been sentenced to immediate extermination if they had not decided on the assignment.”

Furthermore:
Professor Józef Szajna, camp number 18729, says that “this was no accident or exception to the rule. The brothels were an element in the German plan to torment the prisoners. Anyone who regards Block no. 24 as some kind of luxury provided for the prisoners is simply ignorant about Auschwitz. This was a matter of degrading people. This was another example of German cynicism and perfidy. The camp brothels are no sensation, but only another of the crimes of National Socialism.”

The post message:
Name: Josef Novy
Date of Birth: 27th April 1911
Prisoner Number: 73,034. Block 9a, Concentration Camp Auschwitz, Post Office II

translation: My dear ones!

I’m in good health, and I’m alright - I hope the same applies to you. I’ve received 3 letters and 6 parcels from you recently - all in good shape. Letters and parcels may not be sent registered, just send the parcels as per the first ones. The first parcels made me very happy - particularly the chocolate honey and the many sweets - please send more like that. My brother Jarde and aunt Milka could also send me packages - I would be very grateful. Send the money as I previously asked you, i.e., RM 40.- per month.

From now on I shall only be allowed to write once a month. Your lovely letters are a source of great happiness, and I look forward to receiving more. Please don’t forget to send me garlic, onions, and enough sugar. I thank you for everything you have done for me, and I hope that you will not forget about me. I’m always with you in my thoughts, and am looking forward to seeing you again. Please give my regards to all friends and relations, especially the Faila family.

Your thankful son, Josef

PS. You can send parcels frequently.
I'm just going to hypothesize here that outside communication was heavily monitored and, indeed, limited, if not entirely fabricated in certain instances.

[Linkinbassist]

Interesting to know: The women in the brothels were douched daily with Hydrochloric acid. Also, if they fell pregnant, they were exterminated.

Also, if you got to go to the brothel at all, you had 2 minutes and there would be two S.S. guards watching over you whilst you performed your act.

[Surtr]

Halocost like $60 bucks when it first came out.

[Jude]

Guys you can't convince a holocaust denier that it happened anymore than you can convince a new age hippy that those energy crystals are bullshit

whyyyyyyyyyy bother

[TheDarkHorse]

Look dumbarze, Why would a death camp need all those things? Can you ever finally answer the simple arse question? Why give your pure hated enemies for death all those privileges? Why is the pool always omitted in an Auschwitz tour?

Guantanamo Bay has free healthcare (and gasmasks)

[Iskandar]

Gee, Auschwitz inmates must've had a real blast when they weren't being starved, tortured and gassed to death. They even got to work productive jobs as forced labourers in Nazi munitions factories. What a life!

[GnRguitarist]

Gee, Auschwitz inmates must've had a real blast when they weren't being starved, tortured and gassed to death. They even got to work productive jobs as forced labourers in Nazi munitions factories. What a life!

People like you will never understand people like me and Fish Wanker. Stop watching your CNN and think with your head. Stop thinking out your ***, and think with your head. Just once. Maybe you'll like it. People like you have given the jews too much power as it is, stop giving them even more. They don't deserve it.

[Iskandar]

If you're a Holocaust denier, you're an idiot. Sorry.

[GnRguitarist]

Not really we just like to think for ourselves. We aren't sheep. We don't just roll over on command.

[Iskandar]

If you could really think for yourselves you wouldn't deny an important historical event for political reasons.

[GnRguitarist]

It's not important because it's not real. There's evidence.

[Iskandar]

Evidence that it's real? Yes, plenty.

[Angmar]

There's way more evidence to prove it happened, the only "evidence" to prove it didn't ever happen is mostly just speculation on random findings.

Being a denier doesn't make you special, independent or smart, it makes you retarded, end of story.

[shadowswithin]

even if the Jews were given all those things, they where still prisoners in a camp JUST because they where Jews, thats more than enough reason to condemn it. Let alone the fact that all the things that happened, did indeed happen.

[Iskandar]

It's obvious that Holocaust deniers are motivated by anti-Semitism when you consider that Jews actually made about half of the 11 million victims.

[Angmar]

Well it's obvious, many people who hold strong anti-semitic values are deniers, see: Stormfront.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

Even if it was faked, we wouldn't know the difference.

[Angmar]

I just don't understand how something so detrimental and huge in history could be faked, doesn't seem humanly possible.

[Knifeboy]

Not really we just like to think for ourselves. We aren't sheep. We don't just roll over on command.

Eeh, try actually reading what you're writing, if you were discussing a subject and someone replied with this, wouldn't you think him a complete and utter moron?

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

I just don't understand how something so detrimental and huge in history could be faked, doesn't seem humanly possible.

Exactly. How can you fake 6 million people ever exisiting?

[Pop music sucks]

I just don't understand how something so detrimental and huge in history could be faked, doesn't seem humanly possible.It's shocking. Some of the Allied soldiers that happened upon those camps still can't get the smell of burning flesh out of their minds.

[Iskandar]

Given that it's been studied by historians for over 60 years I think we'd know by now if it didn't happen. Of course the vast majority of historians were hoodwinked by a global Jewish conspiracy that only a small group of white supremacist survivalists know about. Heil Hitler 14/88.

[Angmar]

Blame the ZOG

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

And, of course, you can't use any mainstream historian's evidence when arguing against a white nationalist because all historians are just a bunch of jews.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

they control our medias do0d.

[Against Miik!]

Jews did the holocaust

[mph4ever]

in 60 years time there will be videos showing george bush climbing into the cockpit of united airlines flight 175 and jumping out with a parachute just before impact. the version of bush listening to the kids saying their poems will be considered fake because he looks like he is paying attention and there will be secret videos hidden in video shops by people wanting to go to cambodia for a lobster dinner

here, fish tosser, i think you might in the wrong hotel, maybe you got off on the wrong bus, its the 46A that goes to http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=354283

[Jude]

It's obvious that Holocaust deniers are motivated by anti-Semitism when you consider that Jews actually made about half of the 11 million victims.

Or they could just be genuine tinfoil hatters :\

[Iskandar]

I don't think so. They always pepper their denial and revisionism with ranting about the Jews controlling the media, the highest levels of government and world finance.

[Jude]

I mean, theoretically they could.

[Iskandar]

In theory, Communism works. In theory.

[Surgicalgod]

I think what's worse is how some people still feel bad or guilty about it.

Like in Germany, everyone is so uptight about the holocaust that you can't even talk about it without them getting all weird and trying to avoid the conversation. They teach it in school every year in history classes (wtf) and keep repeating how bad it was every single second so it's sort of like brainwashing. Oh and the German government still pays Israel money every single year.

GET THE **** OVER IT ALREADY.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

It's illegal to deny the holocaust in Germany, is it not?

[Jude]

It's illegal to deny the holocaust in Germany, is it not?

Yup.

The fact that there are still people alive who remember the ethnic cleansing of Germany makes the fact that the people who got ethnically cleansed then, are doing it now, that much worse.

[Surgicalgod]

It's illegal to deny the holocaust in Germany, is it not?

5 years in jail and a huge fine

[Iskandar]

That couldn't possibly be any stupider.

Well, maybe if it were ten years.

[Surgicalgod]

so what are you in for? theft? murder? CHILD MOLESTATION?

no, i denied the holocaust

WELL THATS JUST DISGUSTING!!!!

[Iskandar]

I denied the Nakba.

[Jude]

I (and my whole group I went to the middle east with) use "nakba" for refer to anything bad that happens, originally it meant the explosive traveller's diarrhea we were all afflicted with, then it came to mean anything bad, such as "This day was just a nakba" or "Damn! I spilled my beer! Nakba!" or "The Athens Nakba" (referred to something really bad that happened toward the end of our trip in Athens)

We had a few debates about whether that was insensitive or not but we went right on using it anyway. it's now become part of some of my friends' vocabulary that didn't even go on the trip.

[Iskandar]

That's called shilshul.

The diarrhea, I mean.

[Surtr]

Being arrested for denying the holocaust isn't really stupid, its being arrested for being retarded stupid. Its just that now we need to implement laws to be arrested for believing or saying other retarded stupid things.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

Being arrested for denying the holocaust isn't really stupid, its being arrested for being retarded stupid. Its just that now we need to implement laws to be arrested for believing or saying other retarded stupid things.

:confused:

[Surtr]

Well, such as when you're at a basketball game, and the guy beside you goes "I can't believe they're winning!!".... Its like "Look at the scoreboard buddy, they're winning, now shut up before I get your holocaust-denying *** arrested!"

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

What are you even talking about?

[Knifeboy]

outlawing holocaust deniers/nazism in general was, sadly, a necessary evil in germany. I don't think it's still needed, but you can't really fault them for putting it in place when your entire countries reputation will need atleast half a century to be repaired

[PerpetualBurn]

It's never necessary to outlaw a thought.

[Knifeboy]

That's all fine and dandy in theory, but having nazi political parties right after your country killed 6 million jews doesn't really work in real life

[PerpetualBurn]

Post-war reparation is obviously always going to be tough.

But I have no idea why it would need to involve crippling personal freedoms for the people of the country from then on.

[Mr. Ron]

5 years in jail and a huge fine
are you ****ing joking? Thats absurd.


I wonder if they'll send you to jail if you discuss the black plague


Being arrested for denying the holocaust isn't really stupid, its being arrested for being retarded stupid. Its just that now we need to implement laws to be arrested for believing or saying other retarded stupid things.
no thats retarded. People should be allowed to say retarded things as long as it doesn't threaten anyone. if you support arresting people for stupid theories then you're worse than them.


That's all fine and dandy in theory, but having nazi political parties right after your country killed 6 million jews doesn't really work in real life
wait whats wrong with a nazi party existing in the political arena? They're always going to be marginalized and not taken seriously.


freedom of speech is more important than feelings being hurt

[shadowswithin]

Only reason i would keep them is to lighten up tension by having a good laugh at them.

[Meatplow]

I was watching a documentary how Noam Chomsky got in trouble with the french because he wrote an article about free speech for some guy who ended up writing a book saying the holocaust never happened and using it as a preface.

Those type of epic bitchfights are really funny.

[Mr. Ron]

how much does Germany pay to Israel?

[mph4ever]

after the war ended something like 70% of the nazi party returned to their normal everyday civil service roles. i'd imagine any law that banned discussing such events as the holocaust, whether denying or supporting, were greatly appreciated

and whats this about germany still paying israel money? is that true?

[Knifeboy]

Wait whats wrong with a nazi party existing in the political arena? They're always going to be marginalized and not taken seriously.


You don't think it was hard enough already for germany to be taken seriously again after WWII?
I can't see how you can be so naive to believe that any countries would have ever dealt with germany back then if they had something like a nazi party.

[Mr. Ron]

You don't think it was hard enough already for germany to be taken seriously again after WWII?
I can't see how you can be so naive to believe that any countries would have ever dealt with germany back then if they had something like a nazi party.
they would have dealt with them seriously because they were a strategic country in many ways, especially in the cold war. I see that a nazi party would be bad for that time period, but who the **** cares now? They'd be a bunch of nutters that people laugh at. I'm just saying that freedom of speech is very important and if people want to form a nazi party they should be able to currently.

[Knifeboy]

outlawing holocaust deniers/nazism in general was, sadly, a necessary evil in germany. I don't think it's still needed

oh hi

[Mr. Ron]

I overlooked that by accident. My bad.

[PerpetualBurn]

You don't think it was hard enough already for germany to be taken seriously again after WWII?
I can't see how you can be so naive to believe that any countries would have ever dealt with germany back then if they had something like a nazi party.

I don't see how you've leaped from banning individuals from having a belief to formation of certain political parties.

Not that either should be banned.

[Linkinbassist]

Sadly, a banning of the nazi party was a necessary precaution taken by German statesmen, and rightly so. Neo-Nazism, even as an underground movement, has its followers and it's pretty horrifying that people can seriously believe that the Holocaust was either a good thing or a lie. There are marginalised people who will, after exhausting all political options, join these extremist parties and so political regulation, however anti-free speech it is, is sometimes necessary.

GnrGuitarist is clearly in the same boat as the majority of anti-zionists, in that the holocaust was utilised as political agency to promote the jewish lobby around the world, and some go insofar as to say it never happened/was fabricated. To make that jump is just insane, especially to someone who's seen film evidence, photographic evidence, historical writings/papers/journal articles and oral accounts and has studied around this specific area of history.

I still think that TS and GnrGuitarist are anti-semitic and, to sum it up, retarded. Just...no, shut up.

[Murdererer]

zeig hail

[Meatplow]

There are marginalised people who will, after exhausting all political options, join these extremist parties and so political regulation, however anti-free speech it is, is sometimes necessary.

Free speech should NEVER be regulated.

Even if there is a controversial and potentially dangerous viewpoint being thrown around there are other sources available to the public which give people the right to make up their own minds on the matter.

Give the government the right to restrict "intolerable" people from speaking and who knows how far it will go. Hello China.

[Linkinbassist]

Free speech should NEVER be regulated.

Even if there is a controversial and potentially dangerous viewpoint being thrown around there are other sources available to the public which give people the right to make up their own minds on the matter.

Give the government the right to restrict "intolerable" people from speaking and who knows how far it will go. Hello China.

Look at modern history, and you'll see that Free Speech as you and I would envisige has never existed. People are forever being marginalised and silenced and you only have to look at revolutionary states for examples, like France and The Terror.

I am an advocate of Free Speech. Hell, my career path requires free viewpoints and freedom to write based on what i find. However, it simply does not exist as you or I would like it to and is still a primary goal for the free-thinking people of the world.

[Jude]

To make that jump is just insane,

Pretty much

Just because it got exploited for their purposes doesn't mean they made it up

But still it was kind of scummy to use it that way

[Fish Wanker]

Gee, Auschwitz inmates must've had a real blast when they weren't being starved, tortured and gassed to death. They even got to work productive jobs as forced labourers in Nazi munitions factories. What a life!

Jews were obviously enemies of the state, and enemies were sent to concentration camps for labor. Thus were the hardships of war, just like for Japanese in America and everyone else in the Soviet Gulags. My whole point was, why kill valuable laborers and minimize resources with all of Germany's enemies? Also the idea that the pool was used for priveleged Jews is ruled out. It was officially covered up as a fire brygade reservoir disguised as a pool, built in 1944. This means the holohoax fundation doesn't want us to know the evil Nazis let the Jews use the pool on those hot days. Stupid idea, but too late to change.

Not to mention the Auschwitz was declared 4mil deaths at first, later changed to 1.5 when Soviets lost control. Wow how could ANYONE mistake a 2.5 mil body count?

Starved? Like you see in all those dead body pictures? No the evil Nazis waited until each Jew was starved for torture and maximum pain! Then they would be gassed and an extra 5 Jews could fit in also! Ridiculous. The truth is resources and food dwindled down. I guess Allies were too busy bombing everything to realize no food could be transported through all the bombardment.

Torture? You mean evil cultist nazi doctors injecting blue ink into Jews' eyes to see if the iris color could be changed? They might aswell have used crayola crayons or paint if they stooped to such a retarded level. No but the ink might have made some magical chemical reaction! With such technology and intelect Germany decided to waste time on making wierd eye colors with ink. I've heard more ridiculous crap like masturbation machines attached to Jews for whatever reason... Skin lamps for possibly a new fashion fad.

The Soviets and Allies were capable of manipulating everything they had their hands on post-war. Like Soviet NKVD Katyn Massacre Propaganda blamed on Germans. Though forensics were made with clear bullet holes in the skulls. What forensics were make for the alleged gassed bodies? Nope, no forensics, but we have shoes and hair though!

Germany paid fully for WW1, and unjustly so. Why would WW2 be any easier on them if you could control, manipulate and force confessions?

[Shadows Within]

if they stooped to such a retarded level. again....there Nazis, so it's not out of the question.

honestly dude it doesn't matter what you say, your always going to be wrong.

[Fish Wanker]

Stfu answer my entire post or gtfo.

Saying ur wrong dude, doesn't suffice.

[Shadows Within]

right and making things up are :rolleyes:

you still haven't really provided links to reputable sources to back up what your saying.

[Fish Wanker]

Nothing I'm saying is hard to google and find on an official holohoax website, do it yourself anstop beign a jackass. Unles you've been living on one of Jupiter's moons forever don't expect a ****ing lecture from me. You can continue with your special "ur wrong im rite" bullpoop and I'll just ignore you.

[Angmar]

I read your whole post, I think it's pretty easy to say you're just regurgitating bullshit you've seen on stormfront that are a bunch of possible ways that the holocaust could be faked. The bottom line is, you're wrong, there is far more evidence and logic to prove it happened than you could ever put up to "prove" it was a hoax. Radical anti-Semites like you of course won't open up your mind but the point is that you probably know you're wrong you just like to lie to yourself and never admit fault.

[Fish Wanker]

I read your post too, I think it was bullpoop. Bye.

[Angmar]

Yeah, thought so.

[Fish Wanker]

Your post didn't prove ****. Unless you are going to directly respond I don't give a ****. This is ridiculous responses I'm getting. What a lame forum. If you think a professor is wrong in a lecture do you just say "Professor! you're WROOOOONG!" end.

[Shadows Within]

the only difference it that you actually are. you tell me too google up your point on google and go to a holohoax site....thats not reputable.

[Iskandar]

Okay, this has gone on long enough.

[Fish Wanker]

Okay, this has gone on long enough.

That post was for you, don't say youre gonna ignore it

[Angmar]

Don't bother reading it, probably best to close the thread anyway.

[Iskandar]

I tend to ignore attempts to rewrite history. I suggest you start with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust

[Fish Wanker]

I tend to ignore attempts to rewrite history. I suggest you start with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust

no dude stop with this lame form of debate, what is this pre-school? I want a debate directly.

btw, wiki can be edited by anyone. tnx

[McP3000]

fish wanker is a good troll

[Iskandar]

I don't think this is the forum for him. I recommend www.stormfront.org. Unless he already has an account there.

[Fish Wanker]

I want a serious and intelectual form of debate and replies to my post. I don't want 2 lamers and another one for the bonus.

[Angmar]

He seems too into it to be a troll but who knows.