legalize marijuana?

[K oko]

do you wanna see it legalized or not discuss ill try to attach a poal

[Meatplow]

you should search use search this has been done a lot of times

i'm all for legalising

[K oko]

yeh i know but people change opinions its still a debatable topic isnt it who cares

[Meatplow]

everyone who would have entered this thread bitching about how this topic has been done to death if I didn't intervene but probably still will

[mph4ever]

it should be called the pastorious thread. i just love his opinions on this

[GnRguitarist]

We shouldn't legalize marijuana. It will make Americans bad drivers and we will become an even more secular state than we already are. Also, it's really bad for you're health. They did studies on monkeys and the monkeys got sick and died. And it makes you lazy. You shouldn't be lazy you should get a f*cking job.

[big80smullet]

Well actually its less bad for you than either alcohol or cigarettes when used in moderation. Also it has proven health benefits for certain groups of people and studdies have shown that THC can prevent and regress certain types of cancer but were supressed by the US government.

Im all for legalisation as long as it comes with controls and taxation and a governing body etc. should most definetly not be available to under 18's and it should have definite quality controls to stop people getting screwed.

[DBoons Ghost]

I dunno if I am for legalization, but I am all for decriminalization, whereby we can outright empty all prisons of anyone accused of a crime involving marijuana.

[GnRguitarist]

But what if it makes people stop going to church?

[Prince of Darkness]

marlize legajuana

[Castillo]

We should legalize marijuana because it would be really good for the economy.

[big80smullet]

yes i am in agreeance with Dboon on this one. Marijuana is a plant that is natural to the earth and is "gods creation" therefore it must be good right.

[someguest]

awesome sarcasm GnR

[siva_chair]

But...pot funds terrorism!!!

[big80smullet]

well to be more accurate opium and heroin fund terrorism. and even thats a tenuous link

[GnRguitarist]

awesome sarcasm GnR

I'm not being sarcastic it's true. Marijuana shouldn't be legalized. It's illegal for a reason.

[Shadius]

yeah, decriminalise it. its not exactly immoral or anything. i don't think i'd be too pissed off if it was legalised either, it could do both good and bad things as a result of being legalised.

[someguest]

But what if it makes people stop going to church?

If that is not sarcasm, epic lulz

[GnRguitarist]

People will become more secular, and more sinful, and America will lose all of its morals in 10 years if marijuana is legalized.

[someguest]

Churches are already dying because of the simple fact that they do absolutely nothing to draw in anyone of the current generation. Where does it say that you have to go to church to be religious anyway?

[GnRguitarist]

It says it in the Bible.

[siva_chair]

In the Bible of Jah it says you are supposed to smoke weed, though.

[someguest]

It does not say in the Bible that you have to attend church to be a Christian.

[GnRguitarist]

Yeah it does.

[GnRguitarist]

In the Bible of Jah it says you are supposed to smoke weed, though.

That's a metaphor.

[TheDarkHorse]

nope.

[K oko]

everyone who would have entered this thread bitching about how this topic has been done to death if I didn't intervene but probably still will

listen old timer go chew ur baccy an complain about the younger generation on yer own time we got serious bidness to discuss here

[mph4ever]

if the church embraced weed then i am sure everyone would embrace the church

[TheDarkHorse]

listen old timer go chew ur baccy an complain about the younger generation on yer own time we got serious bidness to discuss here

um he's totally right you would;ve got it from me

[siva_chair]

if the church embraced weed then i am sure everyone would embrace the church

If this were true there would be far more Rastas.

[K oko]

idk itd be weird to smoke blunts at church and listen to the preacher talk about noahs ark id probly bust a nut laughing at him tbh

[TheDarkHorse]

about 1.5 billion more to be accurate

[K oko]

um he's totally right you would;ve got it from me

i wouldnt care cuz you suck you should make another thread about getting more mods in PNWI cuz someone made a thread that has been done before or w/e

[TheDarkHorse]

i wouldnt care cuz you suck you should make another thread about getting more mods in PNWI cuz someone made a thread that has been done before or w/e

I should so tools as yourself can receive a lengthy ban.

[McP3000]

i agree with Dboon. I'm not close to be convinced for legalization, but im more than convinced on decriminalization.

[mph4ever]

If this were true there would be far more Rastas.



i mean everyone who ever smoked listened to a bob marley song once whilst stoned. if that isn't rasta baptism then what is?

and anyway, all the blunt smokers are non practising rastas, its the biggest church in the world

[wartomods]

leglazie

[McP3000]

leglazie
good case for it to be illegal :lol:

[Pastorius]

I didn't think I had particularly radical opinions on this :(

I think it should be legalised yeah.

[TheDarkHorse]

good case for it to be illegal :lol:

:lol:

its not everyday you make me laugh, you know. I'll enjoy this one time

[mph4ever]

I didn't think I had particularly radical opinions on this :(

I think it should be legalised yeah.

not radical, just unwaivering

[AFragileHope]

Marijuana should be legalised. It really isn't all that bad a drug.

[siva_chair]

i mean everyone who ever smoked listened to a bob marley song once whilst stoned. if that isn't rasta baptism then what is?

I think you have to dance the little Reggae jigg too for it to count, but I may be wrong.

and anyway, all the blunt smokers are non practising rastas, its the biggest church in the world

By the same token (oh snap), everyone who has ever eaten a Nabisco cracker and drank some wine/grapejuice is a non-practicing Catholic, I suppose.

[Mr. Ron]

Legalize it, but regulate it to a small extent.

[siva_chair]

Boo regulation.

[Mr. Ron]

:p.

[Pastorius]

not radical, just unwaivering

Well no-one has presented me with a real reason to shift my standpoint!

I can't see why it shouldn't be legalised, in a review of drugs by some Uk government board, marijuana came in 15th, 10 places behind alcohol and below cigarettes even.

It should have an age limit on it for sure, I saw too many stupid kids throw away their education to get stoned.

But used in moderation (and by that I just mean don't be a stupid stoner who tokes up every day when he wakes up) there is no reason you can't function in society easily. I hate the way it's demonised as this devil drug by ignorant people looking to garner popularity with hyper-conservative parents.

[Iskandar]

It should absolutely be legal. It doesn't make any sense to criminalize it while alcohol is legal.

Regulation is probably a good idea though. Look at how the Netherlands dealt with the issue.

[Already_Taken]

(and by that I just mean don't be a stupid stoner who tokes up every day when he wakes up)

there is nothing wrong with that.

[Pastorius]

Regulation is a good idea, and I think Holland got it spot on really. Their hard drug usage problem has not risen in 10 years, whilst the UK's is rising year on year.

[Mr. Ron]

It all has to do with tradition, really. Beer, wine and what have you have had a much stronger cultural tradition in the American colonies and countries where the settlers came from.

[Pastorius]

there is nothing wrong with that.

Well, not if you've got nothing to do, but if you've got a job it would be irresponsible towards your employer to be stoned on the job.

[Iskandar]

Recently the Netherlands has been backing off on its very liberal drug policies, for example ordering head shops within 500 metres of a school to move or close. Since their aim is to discourage children from using drugs rather than just outlawing them, I don't have a problem with that.
there is nothing wrong with that.It's unhealthy, but an adult should be able to choose to do that.

[siva_chair]

Boo regulation.

[Pastorius]

Absolutely people should be able to choose that, but I still think if you've got something important to do (such as a job) then being stoned is irresponsible. The job thing is what I go to because you're being paid to do a job, and being stoned prevents you from doing that to the best of your ability, whether you like it or not. Same as drinking at work really.

[Iskandar]

Yeah it is irresponsible but that's between you and your employer, not the state.

Hmm, I'm sounding like a libertarian now.

[Pastorius]

Well yes obviously, I never said it should be illegal to wake and bake, just stupid to do it every day.

[siva_chair]

Yeah it is irresponsible but that's between you and your employer, not the state.

Hmm, I'm sounding like a libertarian now.

Hooray beer!

[DBoons Ghost]

It's important to note that the UK and US have different needs in regards to where the arguement goes from legalize to decriminalize and all the same with regulations.

I mean, from any logical perspective the same arguement which applies to the legalizaing of weed can apply to the legalization of cocaine and heroin, and thats what frightens me a little.

Also, given how much money is being spent on anti marijuana campaigns in the US right now, it's unlikely any progress will ever be made.

I am a big time pothead too guys so it's not like I'm not there. I just don't think it should be fully legal in the US.

[Iskandar]

Hooray beer!I don't like beer which suits me fine because I'd have to purchase it from the state liquor monopoly and that ****'s expensive.

[P13]

bath tub gin

[Pastorius]

It's important to note that the UK and US have different needs in regards to where the arguement goes from legalize to decriminalize and all the same with regulations.

I mean, from any logical perspective the same arguement which applies to the legalizaing of weed can apply to the legalization of cocaine and heroin, and thats what frightens me a little.

Also, given how much money is being spent on anti marijuana campaigns in the US right now, it's unlikely any progress will ever be made.

I am a big time pothead too guys so it's not like I'm not there. I just don't think it should be fully legal in the US.

Heroin and cocaine are possible to overdose on.
Heroin can be addictive after a single dose.
Heroin and cocaine are physically addictive.

You can't OD on weed and it's not physically addictive, there's 2 major differences that would prevent coke and scag from getting legalised where weed might.

[siva_chair]

I don't like beer which suits me fine because I'd have to purchase it from the state liquor monopoly and that ****'s expensive.

The state has a liquor monopoly in Canada?

Omg you poor thing...

The hooray beer thing wasn't really about beer, but I like Redstripe's little slogan fo sho.

[Iskandar]

The state has a liquor monopoly in Canada?

Omg you poor thing...Actually it's not as bad as it sounds. The products are expensive, but it's used as a source of revenue. Essentially when you choose to buy liquor you're choosing to pay the taxes and duties on it, so it functions as a sort of voluntary tax. That way the fed can keep income taxes down. Same thing with the Goods and Services taxes.

Of course if Canadians really want cheap liquor all they have to do is go across the border and get a 40 of vodka for $10.

Incidentally, I just got a check for $160 for my tax rebate. How that's for big government!

[siva_chair]

Actually it's not as bad as it sounds. The products are expensive, but it's used as a source of revenue. Essentially when you choose to buy liquor you're choosing to pay the taxes and duties on it, so it functions as a sort of voluntary tax. That way the fed can keep income taxes down. Same thing with the Goods and Services taxes.

Actually that sounds really bad, tbh. There is a liquor tax here in most states, so it's not that different, although at least it isn't a crappy state monopoly.

Of course if Canadians really want cheap liquor all they have to do is go across the border and get a 40 of vodka for $10.

It's kind of like when they want really high quality healthcare, huh? :p

Incidentally, I just got a check for $160 for my tax rebate. How that's for big government!

And that $160 is what compared to how much you put in? :p

[Iskandar]

Actually that sounds really bad, tbh. There is a liquor tax here in most states, so it's not that different, although at least it isn't a crappy state monopoly.Monopoly it may be but it's not crappy. The stores are well-stocked and maintained in convenient locations. The only downside is the price, really.
It's kind of like when they want really high quality healthcare, huh? :pI can't speak for other Canadians because I personally have always used public healthcare 'cause it's free and good quality.
And that $160 is what compared to how much you put in? :pI put in nothing. Starving student and all.

[sweboy]

i will advertise it

[siva_chair]

Monopoly it may be but it's not crappy. The stores are well-stocked and maintained in convenient locations. The only downside is the price, really.

That is a significant downside if you ask me. Here, you get all of the above sans the high prices.

I can't speak for other Canadians because I personally have always used public healthcare 'cause it's free and good quality.

Except for when you have the retarded waiting lines, amirite?

It was a joke anyhow.

I put in nothing. Starving student and all.

And so they subsidized you with a check?

Fukkin mooch.:p

[Iskandar]

That is a significant downside if you ask me. Here, you get all of the above sans the high prices.Yeah but the tax goes to things I and most people want so I don't really care.

Except for when you have the retarded waiting lines, amirite?

It was a joke anyhow. Wait times have never been a problem for me, actually. At least no more of a problem than at private clinics like my dentist.
And so they subsidized you with a check?

Fukkin mooch.:pGovernment cheese.:)

[siva_chair]

Yeah but the tax goes to things I and most people want so I don't really care.

Yeah I'll keep my cheap booze thank you.

Wait times have never been a problem for me, actually. At least no more of a problem than at private clinics like my dentist.

Well I'm happy for you. I do know, however, that your experience isn't universal by any means.

Government cheese.:)

Bread and circuses, goddamn bread and circuses.

[DBoons Ghost]

Heroin and cocaine are possible to overdose on.
Heroin can be addictive after a single dose.
Heroin and cocaine are physically addictive.

You can't OD on weed and it's not physically addictive, there's 2 major differences that would prevent coke and scag from getting legalised where weed might.

Valid points right there, but OD'ing isn't the only issue to consider. The gateway drug arguement will never be played down, and I'm not the one you would ever have to convince.

I fear the legislation and potential regulation would ruin it. Look what they allowed MADD to accomplish. I just don't ever see it working out to anyone's favor but the government. I mean, they're doing all they can to make tobacco illegal because of the healthcare costs but an easy solution there is THC pills I suppose. I dunno. It still can be dangerous even if we've never overdone it, people out there have and will.

[siva_chair]

Aspirin is a gateway drug, tbh.

[DBoons Ghost]

Aspirin is a gateway drug, tbh.

As is sugar and caffieine and a whole slew of others. I'm not gonna disagree there.

[Iskandar]

Yeah I'll keep my cheap booze thank you.I'd rather have healthcare than cheap booze.
Well I'm happy for you. I do know, however, that your experience isn't universal by any means.Probably not. But the majority of Canadians support our healthcare system and don't want to see it privatized. They'd much rather pay with taxes in good times than with cash in bad times.
Bread and circuses, goddamn bread and circuses.Lol, this isn't ancient Rome.

[siva_chair]

I'd rather have healthcare than cheap booze.

Cheap booze is a form of healthcare, tbh. When you are drunk enough, you really don't realize you are sick.

Probably not. But the majority of Canadians support our healthcare system and don't want to see it privatized. They'd much rather pay with taxes in good times than with cash in bad times.

Ok but when the system is in flames and you wonder what happened, just know that someone told you so.

Lol, this isn't ancient Rome.

Really?

[Iskandar]

Cheap booze is a form of healthcare, tbh. When you are drunk enough, you really don't realize you are sick.Then you get to pay for the health impacts of drinking down the road.
Ok but when the system is in flames and you wonder what happened, just know that someone told you so.Given that the system has been able to sustain itself for decades so far I'm about as concerned as if some anarcho-communist were talking about "when the revolution comes."

[siva_chair]

Then you get to pay for the health impacts of drinking down the road.

Or die before it even matters.

Given that the system has been able to sustain itself for decades so far I'm about as concerned as if some anarcho-communist were talking about "when the revolution comes."

Oh no not decades!

The Soviet Union also lasted for decades.

[Surtr]

If it were to be legalized, it would cost more due to taxation, and the age limit wouldn't stop anything at all. Its no different than cigarettes. They cost an arm and a leg, and kids under the legal age to buy them still smoke all the time.

Legalizing it would change nothing on it, except for those dumb enough to get caught.

[Iskandar]

Or die before it even matters.Huh?
Oh no not decades!

The Soviet Union also lasted for decades.Yeah except the Soviet Union was a pile of **** with zero political representation, extreme poverty and inequality and an unsustainable foreign policy. No wonder liberal democracy beat them.

Incidentally, can you name an anarchy that's lasted for a single decade?

[siva_chair]

Huh?

If I drink myself to death I hardly have to worry about health problems further down the line. :chug:

Yeah except the Soviet Union was a pile of **** with zero political representation, extreme poverty and inequality and an unsustainable foreign policy. No wonder liberal democracy beat them.

And all of that stems from their nationalized and centralized economic policies. Your national healthcare system is bound to face the same problems, it is only a matter of time. In fact, most national healthcare systems around the world are facing really bad budget crisis' if you hadn't noticed.

Incidentally, can you name an anarchy that's lasted for a single decade?

Nope.

But I can point to the multitude of failures that socialist economics has historically offered.

[Murdererer]

obama was talking about de-criminalizing it

i think it will be legal in our lifetime

[Reductio]

I don't think there's any good reason for criminalizing marijuana.

[K oko]

It's important to note that the UK and US have different needs in regards to where the arguement goes from legalize to decriminalize and all the same with regulations.

I mean, from any logical perspective the same arguement which applies to the legalizaing of weed can apply to the legalization of cocaine and heroin, and thats what frightens me a little.

Also, given how much money is being spent on anti marijuana campaigns in the US right now, it's unlikely any progress will ever be made.

I am a big time pothead too guys so it's not like I'm not there. I just don't think it should be fully legal in the US.

hmm im not for legalizing drugs however i dont think weed is a drug it doesnt hit dopamine and serotonin receptors which coke heroin and all addictive and other drugs screw with

the thing about cannabis is that our brains are wired specifically for it, we have cannabanoid receptors in our brain. It took them over 20 years to find them because cannabis does not work like any other 'drug' that hits serotonin and dopamine receptors

why do we have cannabis receptors at all? Why did we evolve or w/e with them? It's strange.

i dont think legalizing weed would lead to legalizing coke or heroin or anything else why should it? Cannabis isnt addictive, it doesnt perma **** with your brain chemistry once it wears off your back to normal altho some people get psychology hooked to the feeling it hasnt fuked your brain chemistry like coke or heroin does where you gotta have it or else you withdrawal and feel like crap and can die

hell i just had an acquaintance die from trying to get off heroin, i wasnt close to him but you've never seen anyone die after a month long binge smoking weed have you? I dont think anyways that making cannabis legal should lead to dangerous shi being legalized at all thats crazy. Its not dangerous.

[fatkidzonmopedz]

nowadays theres barely any people who dont wanna legalize marijuana. weed is a great medicine, and recreational activity. if not abused, weed is very useful, keeps ppl who are on medications that cause loss of appetite hungry and eating, improves vision, kills headaches and nauseousness, and not to mention the other many uses like food, paper, rope, and oils.

if sold in pharmacies, the crimerate would go down due to the cancelation of drug dealers, or lowering of the drug dealers around, and there will be less robberies and killings involving people stealing weed from other people in order to make their own profit without trying, which i've seen a lot of where i grow up.

[mph4ever]

nowadays theres barely any people who dont wanna legalize marijuana. weed is a great medicine, and recreational activity. if not abused, weed is very useful, keeps ppl who are on medications that cause loss of appetite hungry and eating, improves vision, kills headaches and nauseousness, and not to mention the other many uses like food, paper, rope, and oils.

if sold in pharmacies, the crimerate would go down due to the cancelation of drug dealers, or lowering of the drug dealers around, and there will be less robberies and killings involving people stealing weed from other people in order to make their own profit without trying, which i've seen a lot of where i grow up.

yes and they are excellent reasons.

but how do you regulate it? do you limit strength and portions like alcohol or what

[fatkidzonmopedz]

well of course. marijuana can be dangerous if abused as i said, like if you get really stoned and then choose to drive for example. there should just be laws like no driving while under the influence and only smoke in designated areas, like at home or maybe at a weed bar or something of the sort. if they can do it with alcohol, which is a more addictive and dangerous to health drug, then they need to with weed. people say itd cause drug dealers to riot, then why dont they just keep sellin their coke?

[mph4ever]

well of course. marijuana can be dangerous if abused as i said, like if you get really stoned and then choose to drive for example. there should just be laws like no driving while under the influence and only smoke in designated areas, like at home or maybe at a weed bar or something of the sort. if they can do it with alcohol, which is a more addictive and dangerous to health drug, then they need to with weed. people say itd cause drug dealers to riot, then why dont they just keep sellin their coke?
this is just a ramble as i am trying to figure the implcations of legalisation and then the practicalities of how it could actually work.

the thing about alcohol is that it is ok in a social environment, mostly. some people can have one or two and hardly feel an affect. it takes times to get into your system and it is usually watered down sufficiently that it takes time to build up enough to get drunk in social environments. also, once drunk you usually stop and don't do it again until the next day or the next week.

weed on the other hand gets you stoned instantly. so you say to the lads lets go for a joint instead of a pint, you get to the weed bar and each have a joint, all hands are as stoned as a rabbit, as matter of fact the whole bar is stoned as a rabbit, walk out on the streets and everyone is stoned as a rabbit. that doesn't tend to happen with alcohol.

and say if you are drunk in a bar then the barman says you have had enough for now then that usually means come back tomorrow. with weed that could mean come back in a hour /js

[fatkidzonmopedz]

do you smoke weed? if not once you smoke for a while, it takes a lot to get you stoned, or at least in me and my friends' cases. and the people that drink a couple of beers and dont get drunk have a tolerance. im an occasional drinker and get drunk off just 3 or 4 beers. also when you compare a drunk guy to a stoned guy, the drunk guy is more dangerous. ive never seen anyone who becomes violent from marijuana, nobody. when your stoned the last thing you do is cause harm to people. and if you are a violent person then you shouldnt be doing it in the first place now should you? i guess i can see the complications on taxing weed, but its not impossible, it just takes determination that nobody really cares about bc its easier to just confiscate weed and put people in jail and not give a crap.

im sorry if it all sounds like ramble, im not very good at expressing myself. =\

[mph4ever]

do you smoke weed?
sure

if not once you smoke for a while, it takes a lot to get you stoned, or at least in me and my friends' cases. and the people that drink a couple of beers and dont get drunk have a tolerance. im an occasional drinker and get drunk off just 3 or 4 beers.

see this is where i was talking about regulation. beer is 5%, wine 10 to 15%, hard liquer 40% in most bars. so do we need different strgths of weed and how do you regulate that. you say it takes more tolerance but all you have to do is up the grade of what you are smoking and you'll get a hit first drag.

also when you compare a drunk guy to a stoned guy, the drunk guy is more dangerous.

you have lesss inhibitions with alcohol, you get more animated and sure it comes with some side effects that mean there are a few out there that should never touch a drop. but i think thats the same for most drugs. side effect of everybody being stoned is sitting in a bar like a bunch of goldfish.

ive never seen anyone who becomes violent from marijuana, nobody. when your stoned the last thing you do is cause harm to people. and if you are a violent person then you shouldnt be doing it in the first place now should you? i guess i can see the complications on taxing weed, but its not impossible, it just takes determination that nobody really cares about bc its easier to just confiscate weed and put people in jail and not give a crap.

like i said its not the taxation that bothers me. its the quality control and how you regulate it. like you can't say things like half a blunt and you are over the limit for driving. and what do we do about homebrew? will you be allowed to grow your own, seriously good stuff, and then go out on the street and consume it or would be teated like moonshine.

im sorry if it all sounds like ramble, im not very good at expressing myself. =\
its cool. my head is a mess from last night so i'm not much better

[fatkidzonmopedz]

well all i want is for them to pass the medical marijuana law for all regions of the united states and i will be happy. i know there has to be boundaries and as long as weed is recognized as helpful and not as a filthy drug that only scums of the earth do, then thats good enough for me.

[mph4ever]

well all i want is for them to pass the medical marijuana law for all regions of the united states and i will be happy. i know there has to be boundaries and as long as weed is recognized as helpful and not as a filthy drug that only scums of the earth do, then thats good enough for me.

well said. hopefully they will make it that simple

[fatkidzonmopedz]

foreal it is useful as a medicine. i was on a pill for depression that worked, but made me have no appetite and food was disgusting to me and it seemed like eating was a chore. a little toking here and there and i was eating left and right, keeping myself healthy and alive. also good for people who are allergic to painkillers or that have bad insomnia and no other pill works. it could be kinda like a last resort medicine. i mean they have prescribed meth as a last resort medicine for narcoleptic and overly obese people, why not weed as well?

[mph4ever]

foreal it is useful as a medicine. i was on a pill for depression that worked, but made me have no appetite and food was disgusting to me and it seemed like eating was a chore. a little toking here and there and i was eating left and right, keeping myself healthy and alive. also good for people who are allergic to painkillers or that have bad insomnia and no other pill works. it could be kinda like a last resort medicine. i mean they have prescribed meth as a last resort medicine for narcoleptic and overly obese people, why not weed as well?


certainly, why not. i have chronic failed back syndrome from cars wrecks and a couple of tins of scrumpy jack and a few tokes of nepalese temple ball and the pain is tolerable. take the pain killers they subscribe and i turn into some monster, side effects are wicked and the come down is vicious

[fatkidzonmopedz]

yea with weed theres no harsh comedown or horrible side effects. though laziness and paranoia can jump into the mix every once and a while, short term memory loss also.

[K oko]

i would like to see at least medical marijuana law passed if not legalized but id like to see it at least decriminalized

face it the war on cannabis has done more harm than good, its failed and lots of non-violent people have gone to jail for a very mild plant thats effects are pretty mild and beneficiary for everyone who partakes of it

black markets is making billions off a plant that could legalized and could produce $7+ billion a year or more in taxes and creating jobs

crazy

[beso negro]

all drugs should be legal this isn't really up for debate silly thread

[jaredong]

my best guess why its not legalized is because of political reasons. Its a image thing. Say you're Joe the politician trying to get elected. You are suppose to work towards protecting the welfare of your constituents. Having a pro-drug stance would get you wiped out. Your opponents would call you a hippie, pro-crime addict. Although it might lower crime and increase taxes, but really, it is seen as a nod towards drugs.

Its like gun control. Perhaps outlawing guns does not reduce crime per say, but having a strong stance against it makes people feel like you're keeping them safe.

If you're going to run on a platform of legalizing marijuana, its going to be hard to say "Be cool, stay in school!" and "Dont be a dope, stay off coke!"

[K oko]

well if they did that i predict about 30-40% of the population will implode killing each other and ODing so i suppose it would probably be a good way in general to get rid of the idiots

[K oko]

my best guess why its not legalized is because of political reasons. Its a image thing. Say you're Joe the politician trying to get elected. You are suppose to work towards protecting the welfare of your constituents. Having a pro-drug stance would get you wiped out. Your opponents would call you a hippie, pro-crime addict. Although it might lower crime and increase taxes, but really, it is seen as a nod towards drugs.

Its like gun control. Perhaps outlawing guns does not reduce crime per say, but having a strong stance against it makes people feel like you're keeping them safe.

If you're going to run on a platform of legalizing marijuana, its going to be hard to say "Be cool, stay in school!" and "Dont be a dope, stay off coke!"

even if we agree marijuana was even a drug the whole gateway thing is silly

so ok if they make it legal then smoking weed is no longer cool so artists will have to push coke and meth and heroin on kids to make it look cool ok then i guess we should keep weed illegal cuz otherwise shooting heroin and smoking meth will become the new cool thing to do in the scene rite cuz kids are fn morons and cant think amirite shooting dope is in smoking weed is out thats what old ppl do we gonna smoke meth and PCP booooy that what the cool niggas do amirite

[beso negro]

well if they did that i predict about 30-40% of the population will implode killing each other and ODing so i suppose it would probably be a good way in general to get rid of the idiots

exactly

if some idiot wants to ruin his life smoking crack so be it. don't waste my money locking him up.

[K oko]

yeh but wat if they made crack legal and that crack head got all crazy and robbed walmart of all the crack they had on display went out and smoked up a mountain of rock and hurt or killed someone you loved before he ODing then you would probly be pretty pissed off rite

[beso negro]

the chances of that happening are so small you can say the same thing with prescription drugs anyways. should walmart stop selling them too.

and it's not like walmart would carry a lot of crack it's not in high demand.

and yea if all the idiots OD i consider that a good thing

[K oko]

lol well you know marijuana and cocaine are like vv different and have vv different effects of course rite

[fatkidzonmopedz]

ppl that do coke and meth and heroin turn out to be miserable lifeless soulless pieces of scum on earth, and become violent and enraged without it. why would you legalize that?

[beso negro]

lol well you know marijuana and cocaine are like vv different and have vv different effects of course rite

yea pot smokers can still be of use to society while cocaine users are usually brainless scum.

ppl that do coke and meth and heroin turn out to be miserable lifeless soulless pieces of scum on earth, and become violent and enraged without it. why would you legalize that?

vv good sarcasm

[mph4ever]

ppl that do coke and meth and heroin turn out to be miserable lifeless soulless pieces of scum on earth, and become violent and enraged without it.

gross generalisation there and not really fair to people who use any of those drugs recreationally

[fatkidzonmopedz]

yea pot smokers can still be of use to society while cocaine users are usually brainless scum.



vv good sarcasm

idk if that was sarcasm or not but thank you bc that was indeed supposed to be taken as sarcasm

ive done my share in the past so itd be hypocritical to really think that. but it will never be legalized nor should it be. even if i was to do it again in the future and end up with jail time, id actually think i deserve it.

[beso negro]

no i thought it was sarcasm because you said heroin addicts become violent without it so why legalize it.

[K oko]

lol my posts were satirical i thought it was pretty fn funny when you said walmart wont sell much crack because it isnt in high demand tho that was fukn hilarious if you were serious

[mph4ever]

all drugs should be legalised and then it should be up to the individual to decide.

whats wrong with that?

[Surtr]

all drugs should be legalised and then it should be up to the individual to decide.

whats wrong with that?

The government and its laws are put in place to help relatively protect the people and do good for them. Or at least that's the idea behind it. So if all of a sudden they stopped caring about the drug side of taking care of people, and just let them go off doing crack if they really wanted, then why should they continue to hold up protecting the people in other areas?

Not only would it be ****ing up that person's life, but it can have repercussions on others. And lets face it, if you really wanna' do weed, or crack or anything, its not that hard to get. Legalizing it would just increase the number of people that would fall victim to it all. And not just those using, but those affected by those using.

[hismajestythepope]

well people who smoke crack still smoke crack quite successfully, regardless of government interference.

all in all, restrictions should be placed on **** like dope, crack, meth etc., but not as harsh as they are. people need to stop wasting money fighting drug trafficking in general, and instead put those funds towards fighting GANG RELATED drug trafficking.

[Det_Nosnip]

What a shocker...a bunch of young musicians vote to legalize the stuff. :rolleyes:

[mph4ever]

The government and its laws are put in place to help relatively protect the people and do good for them. Or at least that's the idea behind it. So if all of a sudden they stopped caring about the drug side of taking care of people, and just let them go off doing crack if they really wanted, then why should they continue to hold up protecting the people in other areas?

Not only would it be ****ing up that person's life, but it can have repercussions on others. And lets face it, if you really wanna' do weed, or crack or anything, its not that hard to get. Legalizing it would just increase the number of people that would fall victim to it all. And not just those using, but those affected by those using.

in a way i can agree with you but i would trust most people to be just as responsible with drugs as they are with alcohol. sure some people will fall prey to drugs but any possible consequential social divide already exists. tax it, save on pigs and use the proceeds for healthcare

[Surtr]

I'm not really anti-drug or anything, but to be honest, I'm not a fan of drugs really. I mean almost all my friends are druggies and I've never once been some militant arsehole to 'em for doing drugs.

But really, even if you wanted to make the claim that "Ok, I can understand coke, and meth, and heroin etc. because they're heavier drugs, that you can become physically addicted too and it can **** your life, but Pot isn't like that...", then I'm sorry to say its not really a great arguement. I've got two friends and the guy who got them into Pot, who continuously go on about "Pot is so safe, its not physically addicting, it doesn't push you into this really far off state like a lot of drugs and its better for you than alcohol!", except, then they go on to smoke weed every day, usually a few times a day, and have it as this relatively central part of their lives. And you get them out somewhere, where they can't smoke for a day or two, and they get really pissy, they get upset, they go on about how they'd like to go out for a reefer now, and its like... Seriously, and you keep telling me weed isn't addictive?

I dunno', I'm fairly sure none of this post made sense, I'm fairly sick right now. Maybe my point'll get across and make a bit of sense?

[beso negro]

i wish this poll was public so we could ridicule the idiots who voted 'no' there's really no excuse for that

[mph4ever]

I'm not really anti-drug or anything, but to be honest, I'm not a fan of drugs really. I mean almost all my friends are druggies and I've never once been some militant arsehole to 'em for doing drugs.

But really, even if you wanted to make the claim that "Ok, I can understand coke, and meth, and heroin etc. because they're heavier drugs, that you can become physically addicted too and it can **** your life, but Pot isn't like that...", then I'm sorry to say its not really a great arguement. I've got two friends and the guy who got them into Pot, who continuously go on about "Pot is so safe, its not physically addicting, it doesn't push you into this really far off state like a lot of drugs and its better for you than alcohol!", except, then they go on to smoke weed every day, usually a few times a day, and have it as this relatively central part of their lives. And you get them out somewhere, where they can't smoke for a day or two, and they get really pissy, they get upset, they go on about how they'd like to go out for a reefer now, and its like... Seriously, and you keep telling me weed isn't addictive?

I dunno', I'm fairly sure none of this post made sense, I'm fairly sick right now. Maybe my point'll get across and make a bit of sense?

life is full of addiction. everywhere you look. what difference does it make what you are addicted to? you still can't do without it and you make sure you get it at the expense of all else. some people have an addiction to gambling, some to alcohol, bingo, some to choke chains, chocolate. all tax'd, all legal, all regulated. why not drugs?

[Pastorius]

I agree 100% mph.

Psychological addiction can happen with anything.

[Reductio]

If you're going to run on a platform of legalizing marijuana, its going to be hard to say "Be cool, stay in school!" and "Dont be a dope, stay off coke!"

I don't think so. In my opinion, it's no different from legalizing alcohol (remember that was outlawed once as well.) Legalizing something does not mean you endorse it. As far as political image is concerned, I don't think that really has too much to do with. I think Obama is considering legalizing it, and he won his election by a pretty healthy margin.

In reality, the government has outlawed marijuana because they believe that would effectively safeguard against people using it, and thus possibly going on to use harder drugs. It's part of the "War on Drugs," I guess, which is completely ineffective. Also, I agree with beso negro. People shouldn't go to jail for harming themselves.

[Light Fantastic]

I think Obama is considering legalizing it
hes not

[mph4ever]

I agree 100% mph.

Psychological addiction can happen with anything.

even football clubs

[Reductio]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQr9ezr8UeA

Okay, so he's not going to legalize it, but I think it would be fair to extrapolate from that that he's considering decriminalizing it, at least. It doesn't mean he's going to, but he seems more open-minded about it.

@ LF

[Pastorius]

even football clubs

I am addicted to being top of the league

[Jude]

I love how there's not even any debate on here about whether or not it should be legalized

[CarnageFairy]

People will become more secular, and more sinful, and America will lose all of its morals in 10 years if marijuana is legalized.

Good, morals blow. Obviously god wanted us to sin our asses off 24/7 otherwise we wouldn't be so ****ing flawed and easily tempted. This **** is like Real World: Earth for him and he's making sure he's gonna have something to watch on ChrisTV now that it's winter and the nude beaches are closed.

[Surtr]

Fair enough, like I said, I'm sick and on some meds and stuff that's got me all drowsy and light headed so I'm not thinking overly straight.

But yeah, I dunno', maybe its just because I was born very much into that lifestyle, where drugs were the worst, regardless of what they were, and so I can't accept it. But I do like it that way so?

But like I said, I don't know anyone who does any of this, and I mean seriously about 80% of my friends do drugs at least once a week if not way more.

[Pastorius]

Yeah it's probably just a result of the environment you grew up in. I was very much the same until I actually tried weed and thought "What was all the fuss about?".

I'd say 99% of Western civilization use drugs at least once a week. Because if weed is a drug, so is alcohol and so is caffeine. Cultural acceptance should not dictate the definition of drug.

[Moon Flavor]

Dude eating is a drug. Sleep is a drug. Masturbation is a drug. Drug is just a word for "affects chemicals in your brain". The fact that we even distinguish illegal drugs as being completely different things from our legal drugs is such a typical bs human flaw

[CarnageFairy]

like i said its not the taxation that bothers me. its the quality control and how you regulate it. like you can't say things like half a blunt and you are over the limit for driving. and what do we do about homebrew? will you be allowed to grow your own, seriously good stuff, and then go out on the street and consume it or would be teated like moonshine.

Ever heard the phrase 'THC content'?

Picture this: you walk to the 7-11 down the street one night, and behind the counter rows of eighths of weed, vacuum sealed for freshness and colorfully packaged. 3.5 grams of some 'shwag' at 3.5% THC for 15 bucks, next to that is the same amount of a brand called 'mids', and at 8% it will run you $25.95. But after that row is yet another bag of some stunning dark green nugs, glittering with crystals and viciously snarled in a dense morass of red, orange, and purple hairs, the bag states 'DanKB Pot, 3.5 grams of the finest California grown organic marijuana'; 20.36%, 70 dollars.

I don't think home growing would be much of a problem for the same reason moonshining isn't, that it's much easier to just go to the damn store and buy some booze. Mass production and corporate investment should allow for weed that is a better value than anything a small operation could produce, and anyone with a sufficiently large underground organization producing competitive level product would be less convenient for people to buy from, and there probably wouldn't be much incentive to not take the operation legal.

As far as the driving question goes, there's not much that could be done without the development of a field sobriety test for pot, something I'm not sure is even possible.

On a personal level, however, I could care less about a slight increase in stoned drivers on the road. In my own, anecdotal shmanedotal experience driving stoned isn't really much of an impairment, unless you're a terrible driver anyway.

[interviewer02]

Dude eating is a drug. Sleep is a drug. Masturbation is a drug. Drug is just a word for "affects chemicals in your brain". The fact that we even distinguish illegal drugs as being completely different things from our legal drugs is such a typical bs human flaw

I think we need to distinguish food from actual medical drugs as well as all of our illegal drugs, and I'm pretty sure food and masturbation aren't considered drugs.

[Iskandar]

What a shocker...a bunch of young musicians vote to legalize the stuff. :rolleyes:I don't get it. Do you have a problem with legalizing it? If so, why?

[Hep Kat]

MMMMMmmmm the orange piff has me good n' buzzed presently.



Oh yeah legalize weed.

[Moon Flavor]

I think we need to distinguish food from actual medical drugs as well as all of our illegal drugs, and I'm pretty sure food and masturbation aren't considered drugs.

that's my point they are indeed not considered drugs

[Shell]

I'm kind of indifferent to this subject. People who are going to smoke it are going to do so regardless, and I'm going to continue to not do it or be around it regardless. I guess if it's legal then at least they can tax it and make some money off of stoners, and I'd like to think that it would decrease the risk of people getting weed that's laced with bad stuff... but that's probably not going to be true considering how much bad **** is put in legal cigarettes. If weed is not addictive now, it will be after it is mass-produced by a huge corporation.

[K oko]

lol psychological addiction

poor billy hes addicted to weed he cant stop thinking about getting high all day and is feeling kinda down and depressed cuz its dry and he cant get no herb oh no

unlike terry who is sucking dick for crack rock in the back alley of the 7-11 because terry is a ****ing real addict addicted to an actual addictive substance which makes you wanna suck dick for it

psychological addiction lmao

[fatkidzonmopedz]

weed can be psychologically addictive but not as much as other drugs. most of the harder drugs are physically addicting.

sum ppl do in fact have depressive withdrawals without weed.

[K oko]

When is the last time you seen a pothead suck dick for a bag of weed eh

[fatkidzonmopedz]

well nobody usually has to because you can get it for cheap. everything else is dicksuck expensive.

[K oko]

lol

an eigth of headies around here is like $60-75

shwag/mids is like $20-30 a quarter but who the hell smokes shwag or mids

crack rock is like $10-20 for a rock

heroin is usually around $20-30 for 1/4 gram

cocaine is the only drug more expensive than weed at least around here

[fatkidzonmopedz]

damn im moving to where you live then lol. here cokes like 60-70 pops a gram, dunno about crack i think ppl just make their own. meth and heroin are around the 100 dollar range. weed is mostly 5 a gram for mids, 15 a gram for kush and 20 for purp. i normally pay no more than 10 bucks a sack and i'm able to get a great long lasting high each time.

[McP3000]

my best friend from high school's sister just got sent to rehab because her parents found out she smokes a ton of weed.

pretty funny to say the least

[fatkidzonmopedz]

i know some people who get very pissy and have violent outbursts if they havent smoked in days.

[K oko]

lol i dont do coke or heroin or crack rofls why the hell do u want that **** u need to spend time in the ghetto and watch the ppl addicted to that shi and realize why u dont ever want to do that

yeh a few years ago i was a major pothead smoking 24/7 doing the occasional acid/shroom trip here and there but then i backed off from smoking so much

i dint have any problems quitting after smoking real heavy for 2 years with it

i still smoke but not as much as i did an eight of headies lasts me a long while

[fatkidzonmopedz]

ive done it when there was no more weed or alcohols left.

[K oko]

ive lost friends and acquaintances from that shi they all started off trying it and eventually wind up shooting it and most die or wind up in jail. ive tried it too but luckily i got out of that scene and wised up. People think they are in control and can handle it but they will find out ive seen them all beaten down by the monkey on their back it will always win.

i quit smoking pot for 3 years but now i use it medicinally. i usually get a 100% indica strain i take a puff or two its mostly a body high, and it helps my nerves and lets me relax and sleep. i dont usually smoke enough to get high just enough to calm my nerves down i wouldnt use it if i thought it was addictive because i know it isnt at least not for me.

[mph4ever]

Ever heard the phrase 'THC content'?

Picture this: you walk to the 7-11 down the street one night, and behind the counter rows of eighths of weed, vacuum sealed for freshness and colorfully packaged. 3.5 grams of some 'shwag' at 3.5% THC for 15 bucks, next to that is the same amount of a brand called 'mids', and at 8% it will run you $25.95. But after that row is yet another bag of some stunning dark green nugs, glittering with crystals and viciously snarled in a dense morass of red, orange, and purple hairs, the bag states 'DanKB Pot, 3.5 grams of the finest California grown organic marijuana'; 20.36%, 70 dollars.

not unlike the way the cafes in holland deal with it

I don't think home growing would be much of a problem for the same reason moonshining isn't, that it's much easier to just go to the damn store and buy some booze. Mass production and corporate investment should allow for weed that is a better value than anything a small operation could produce, and anyone with a sufficiently large underground organization producing competitive level product would be less convenient for people to buy from, and there probably wouldn't be much incentive to not take the operation legal.

that makes a lot of sense. the difficulty is bringing it from an illegal substance to a legal one whilst acknowledging the millions upon millions who do it every day. do you give them all an amnesty or what?

As far as the driving question goes, there's not much that could be done without the development of a field sobriety test for pot, something I'm not sure is even possible.

pigs here have a swab that they rub across your forehead and it tells them if you have been using drugs. i am not too sure how quick the results show up though but i do know that in trials they found that something like 30% of people involved in drunk driving cases also had drugs in their system.

On a personal level, however, I could care less about a slight increase in stoned drivers on the road. In my own, anecdotal shmanedotal experience driving stoned isn't really much of an impairment, unless you're a terrible driver anyway.
yeah, its when they drink and drive that the real problems happen, that and shrooms

[Chu]

Well actually its less bad for you than either alcohol or cigarettes when used in moderation. Also it has proven health benefits for certain groups of people and studdies have shown that THC can prevent and regress certain types of cancer but were supressed by the US government.

Im all for legalisation as long as it comes with controls and taxation and a governing body etc. should most definetly not be available to under 18's and it should have definite quality controls to stop people getting screwed.
I didn't know your stance was this.

btw, it's decriminalized here.

[Iskandar]

I don't know what health benefits marijuana has compared to moderate alcohol consumption. Its use in medicine is mainly as a painkiller, isn't it?

[johnnyblaze]

If I recall correctly it's also used to suppress the nauseating effects of chemotherapy.

[BlisteryNixon]

My mom tried to send me to rehab. I just told the counselor who was going to admit me what I was doing and he said, "We can't admit you. You don't have a problem." And my mom was so pissed.

[CarnageFairy]

I guess if it's legal then at least they can tax it and make some money off of stoners, and I'd like to think that it would decrease the risk of people getting weed that's laced with bad stuff... but that's probably not going to be true considering how much bad **** is put in legal cigarettes. If weed is not addictive now, it will be after it is mass-produced by a huge corporation.

Weed doesn't really get laced without the buyers' knowledge, that's sort of a myth. Lots of people smoke more than they can handle, have a panic attack and assume they just smoked ****ing PCP. Why would someone sell a person weed that has drugs on it that they aren't going to get money from? You're giving them more than they pay for and they'll probably freak out and never buy from you again. Not a good business model.

[BlisteryNixon]

Weed doesn't really get laced without the buyers' knowledge, that's sort of a myth. Lots of people smoke more than they can handle, have a panic attack and assume they just smoked ****ing PCP. Why would someone sell a person weed that has drugs on it that they aren't going to get money from? You're giving them more than they pay for and they'll probably freak out and never buy from you again. Not a good business model.

You seem to know a lot about this. What is wrong with weed that is yellow and has the effects like shaking and uncontrollable movements and jitteriness and heart racing and pounding?

[fatkidzonmopedz]

You seem to know a lot about this. What is wrong with weed that is yellow and has the effects like shaking and uncontrollable movements and jitteriness and heart racing and pounding?

i've had bud like that. usually its labeled as pop corn mid where i come from. i know some bud is laced with coke so it could be that. i dont know if pop corn and coke laced are the same thing or not, but that's just my hunch.

[Otherside]

cocaine is incredibly expensive they would not waste it on your mids im sorry

blisterynixon my friend accidentally spilled some cleaning supplies on a stash of his and smoked it without realizing and had similar effects to that tbh it was probably a mistake on you or your dealers part but its not like its a serious thing you should probably not smoke it anymore though

[fatkidzonmopedz]

it only happened a couple of times. i think all bud is the same bud unless its reggie kush or purp tbh. they all look the same pretty much and smoke the same, not including those 3.

[kitsch]

People will become more secular, and more sinful, and America will lose all of its morals in 10 years if marijuana is legalized.

:lol:


id decriminalize possesion of up to one half ounce (maybe a whole ounce) for sure, but not legalize it. the prison system doesnt need to be clogged up with weed related crimes. its pretty rediculous.

[fatkidzonmopedz]

half an oz? that isnt a ton, id say 2 oz, maaayybe an oz if that seems unreasonable, but not half

[punkprince123]

2 ounces is more than you could justify for personal use, if it's being decriminalized.

We all know you're a super cool super stoner nbf

[fatkidzonmopedz]

i never said i was a super cool stoner, though i guess stoner is an appropriate word.

but think about it from the point of view of prescribing marijuana. if it was prescribed for medical use, then you would need an oz to last you a month.

if you guys are talking about if it wasnt legalized what the punishments should be, then that is a different story and i will keep my mouth shut on that subject. sorry for the confusion.

and wait who are you anyway?

[Iscariot]

I'm kind of indifferent to this subject. People who are going to smoke it are going to do so regardless, and I'm going to continue to not do it or be around it regardless. I guess if it's legal then at least they can tax it and make some money off of stoners, and I'd like to think that it would decrease the risk of people getting weed that's laced with bad stuff... but that's probably not going to be true considering how much bad **** is put in legal cigarettes. If weed is not addictive now, it will be after it is mass-produced by a huge corporation.

Wait, what? Weed laced with "bad stuff"? Who the hell laces weed?

Sometimes it's painfully obvious that you've grown up in the bible belt.

[fatkidzonmopedz]

i think some people lace weed to get them hooked on other drugs. you can tell by the taste if its laced with a certain pill for example, and me and my friends have laced our own weed with lortabs. it does actually work.

the ppl that lace weed with hXc shi though (im assuming that thats possible?) and sell it to kids should die tbh.

[Iscariot]

I have never once in my life had weed that was laced with anything. No one I've ever known is that retarded.

When you buy pot, you're buying pot. Period.

[fatkidzonmopedz]

idk ive had some weird bud. normal bud will make me laughy and lazy. ive had weed thats made me twitchy and wild and hyper. idk what was in it, but there was somethin up with that bud.

[punkprince123]

I'm Pastorius, been banninated for a couple days.

If you lace it to get people hooked though, they're not going to know what to ask for are they. "Hmmmm I've got cravings for some ????????"

[fatkidzonmopedz]

oh hey there pastorius

i guess that makes sense, but i've heard rumors like that. then again theyre just rumors so it may mean nothing at all.

[Iscariot]

idk ive had some weird bud. normal bud will make me laughy and lazy. ive had weed thats made me twitchy and wild and hyper. idk what was in it, but there was somethin up with that bud.

Every strain has different properties though.

The main differences are found in the growing environment and disposition of the plant.

The two main types of marijuana are Indica and Sativa.

Indica is normally grown indoors and produces a more lazy, sleepy high due to its CBD levels.

Sativa is more commonly grown outdoors and it tends to produce a more energetic high because of its higher THC levels.

[punkprince123]

Aye, it's probably just a different strain.

Indica is a body high, while sativa is a head high. Is that the right way round?

[fatkidzonmopedz]

all i know is indica makes you lazier and more sedated like, while sativa doesn't make you lazy, but kinda hyper and stupid.

i guess ive had some pretty strong sativa or somethin bc ive had some highs very similar to cocaine.

so i think you're right on the body high/head high bit

[punkprince123]

But you've only got to look at the economics of it, why would a dealer lace weed with coke, when they could sell the coke for so much more?

[fatkidzonmopedz]

to get kids hooked on it, though i don't have any proof to back this up so im just gonna tip toe away

[siva_chair]

The only laced weed I have ever heard about were from friends who laced it for themselves.

[fatkidzonmopedz]

dipping a blunt in hydrocodone makes for a good pain reliever. if its ever legalized they need to dip the joints in that stuff.

[punkprince123]

to get kids hooked on it, though i don't have any proof to back this up so im just gonna tip toe away

I wouldn't have thought that smoking a bag of it would get you hooked anyway, takes a while to build up a coke habit. Much more profitable to just give them some free coke and charge for the rest.

The only real reason dealers have to lace weed is to increase the weight of it.

[fatkidzonmopedz]

oh i guess that makes sense

if ppl stopped doin that the chances of weed being legal would be greater

[Iscariot]

Aye, it's probably just a different strain.

Indica is a body high, while sativa is a head high. Is that the right way round?

Yeah, that's accurate.

But you've only got to look at the economics of it, why would a dealer lace weed with coke, when they could sell the coke for so much more?

Exactly. Plus, "lacing" weed with cocaine is a waste. Cocaine only vaporizes at a high heat level. Almost everyone who smokes bud smokes it with a standard Bic lighter. Those don't burn hot enough to vaporize cocaine and give a worthwhile high. It's lost profit. It's nearly as stupid as snowcapping a bowl.

If someone tells you that your weed is laced with coke they're lying or they're a horrible businessman because a gram of coke can go for $30-$50 if it's decent and a gram of bud goes for $15-$20. There's no profit in mixing the two.

[fatkidzonmopedz]

it never made sense to me either, its just what ive heard and semi-believed.

[The Human Language]

I've had a single experience with marijuana and it was dreadful. I have used much stronger narcotics however.

[punkprince123]

I've had a single experience with marijuana and it was dreadful. I have used much stronger narcotics however.

Pull a whitey?

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

the last pickup of weed i got was laced, idk with what but it sparkled like a sparkler when smoking it, which should not happen. i didn't feel any different though so meh

[BlisteryNixon]

cocaine is incredibly expensive they would not waste it on your mids im sorry

blisterynixon my friend accidentally spilled some cleaning supplies on a stash of his and smoked it without realizing and had similar effects to that tbh it was probably a mistake on you or your dealers part but its not like its a serious thing you should probably not smoke it anymore though

No this guy gave me the same thing every time. I think he was trying to kill me.

[Iscariot]

It's unfortunate that he didn't succeed.

[djap101]

i agree with legalization. its natural!

[eseer erre]

I don't see a problem with it. Honestly, smoking is probably unhealthier.

[K oko]

ppl dont lace weed it costs more to lace it then sell it straight up but i have heard of some who put crack in their blunts lol the only stuff you can straight up put on it is PCP and most people would not want that again and youd lose customers putting it on weed and not telling ppl

you would be able to smell it anyways and probly see it

altho there are some people who put glass crystals on weed its called grit basically youd have to be retarded to buy it and think it was thc crystals tho

[Murdererer]

weed is kool legalize it asap

[CarnageFairy]

the last pickup of weed i got was laced, idk with what but it sparkled like a sparkler when smoking it, which should not happen. i didn't feel any different though so meh

I've had **** that did that. It was cool and I bought more.

[40ozsnoopyz]

yeaaaaaaaaaa boi legalize decriminalize

[imperialblackness]

So it really looks like Marijuana might be legalized in California. I really hope that happens

[Pastorius]

Proper legalised? Not just medical? Sources, genuinely interested.

[imperialblackness]

Yeah the morning show I listen to talks about it all the time. Apparently Arnold Schwarzenegger is considering it because California is so broke. They are talking about giving it the same rules as alcohol

[beso negro]

great idea imo

[kitsch]

couple pages back ppl were talking about lacing:

with lacing a lot of times the weed is really sticky and they just kinda drop the weed in a powder and it attaches

[kitsch]

i agree with legalization. its natural!

what difference does this make?

[Pastorius]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/deadlineusa/2009/may/07/drugspolicy-usa

Good work America!

[beso negro]

these are exciting times

[Already_Taken]

it would be weird to be paranoid about things other than cops when im high

[cmb1888]

I'd prefer de-criminalization to legalisation - I'm sort of nervous about what big business would do to it.

[Already_Taken]

probably something similar to what big business has done to beer. given us a huge variety at a good price.

[Jonny]

Here's one oft overlooked point (and it will probably still be overlooked):

You're sitting next to some guy who is on his way to an important meeting. You're drinking alcohol. It has no effect on his mental state. You're smoking a cigarette. It has no effect on his mental state. You're smoking weed. He's never smoked weed. He's getting high.

Does he not matter?

[beso negro]

what are you talking about. you can't get high off second hand marijuana smoke if that is what you are implying.

[Jonny]

what are you talking about. you can't get high off second hand marijuana smoke if that is what you are implying.

If that's true then I am mistaken and I withdraw my point.

[cmb1888]

probably something similar to what big business has done to beer. given us a huge variety at a good price.

Don't know if that's a hugely good idea either.

Sorry to be seriously uncool on this issue but I just feel uncomfortable with a widescale endorsement of drugs - whether it's alcohol or marijuana.

I don't think they should be a criminal offence but I don't like to be seen as some sort of a 'solution' - just don't think that's right

I'm pretty shaky on this though - wouldn't rule out changing my mind on this one

[beso negro]

i worried about that before because one night my roommate smoked in my room and didn't air it out. i took a drug test the next morning but it never showed up. I could smell it but it wasn't affecting me.

[Pastorius]

Here's one oft overlooked point (and it will probably still be overlooked):

You're sitting next to some guy who is on his way to an important meeting. You're drinking alcohol. It has no effect on his mental state. You're smoking a cigarette. It has no effect on his mental state. You're smoking weed. He's never smoked weed. He's getting high.

Does he not matter?

That's not even a point. I'm guessing you're sitting on some kind of public transport? In the UK at least, smoking is illegal indoors in public spaces.

Plus you can't really get high on second hand marijuana smoke.

Or use the Amsterdam system, specified places where it is legal to smoke marijuana. They crack down on anyone smoking weed outside of coffeeshops.

Don't know if that's a hugely good idea either.

Sorry to be seriously uncool on this issue but I just feel uncomfortable with a widescale endorsement of drugs - whether it's alcohol or marijuana.

I don't think they should be a criminal offence but I don't like to be seen as some sort of a 'solution' - just don't think that's right

I'm pretty shaky on this though - wouldn't rule out changing my mind on this one

Again, can only speak for the UK here, but advertising laws prohibit any advertisers from making alcohol consumption glamorous. And TV laws prohibit making cigarettes, binge drinking, drugs, or harmful behaviour as glamorous.

EDIT: The legalisation of marijuana would not be an endorsement of using it as a solution to a problem.

[beso negro]

Again, can only speak for the UK here, but advertising laws prohibit any advertisers from making alcohol consumption glamorous. And TV laws prohibit making cigarettes, binge drinking, drugs, or harmful behaviour as glamorous.

that's not the case in the US. every beer commercial makes drinking look glamorous. but tobacco commercials can't do this. in fact all tobacco advertising is banned. a little inconsistent if you ask me. i assume congress would treat marijuana the same way it treats tobacco.

[Pastorius]

It's allowed to promote healthy drinking. It's not allowed to promote drinking alone, excessive drinking, the notion that drinking will get you sex, anything like that. Advertisers manage to exploit whatever they can to the best of their abilities though, so whatever they're allowed to do, they will.

[1338 h4x0r]

Yes, just do it already

And no I am not one of those ****ing red-eyed High Times-reading douchebags, my 21st birthday is coming up and I don't even plan to get wasted, I just don't believe it's the gummt's job to legislate choice

[Smokey D]

It is the nature of law to supplant individual choice with the public morality of the citizen.

[Iskandar]

When did you become a conservative.

(jk.)

[1338 h4x0r]

It is the nature of law to supplant individual choice with the public morality of the citizen.

I see, I see, maybe good for murder, not so good for some guys getting stoned in the privacy of their own home

[Smokey D]

When the law says 'don't do X', it is criminalising the choice to do X.

Although I'm not necessarily convinced there is any good reason to criminalise marijuana, it is arbitrary (at least as long as you continue to support other laws) to fault anti-drug legislation on the grounds that the government is legislating choice.

[1338 h4x0r]

I mean "choice" in the same sense I would mean "speech" in "freedom of speech"

There are some necessary circumscriptions

Keeping laws against PCP, for example, kind of makes sense

Cannabis is a different animal ...... it doesn't give you super-strength and violent urges for example

[Smokey D]

I mean "choice" in the same sense I would mean "speech" in "freedom of speech"

There are some necessary circumscriptions

Keeping laws against PCP, for example, kind of makes sense

Cannabis is a different animal ...... it doesn't give you super-strength and violent urges for example

The point is that you don't (shouldn't) oppose criminalisation of marijuana because it impinges on choice but because it is an unjustified restriction.

[beso negro]

why not maybe he's a libertarian now and it would be consistent with the rest of his views

[Wario Mario]

marijuana is already decriminalized in my state, but it's still not enough

there's still a movement actively and aggressively categorizing marijuana as a deadly and harmful substance based on false information, fabricated "facts", and ancient, outdated racist legislature

marijuana alone is a billion dollar industry

if the government wanted to do something good for the economy they'd legalize it, instate a tax, set up distribution hubs, and funnel more money back into the system

[Smokey D]

Even libertarians oppose the government not for the sake of opposing government, but because the government is unjustified in terms of their abstract ideals.

[Iskandar]

I dunno, you'd be surprised.

[Pastorius]

I agree with Smokey here, I think marijuana should be legalised (and maybe a few other drugs) but not everything. I think in some cases things need to be illegal because they're simply harmful to society.

I'm on board with the unjustified restriction wagon.

[beso negro]

if someone wants to ruin their life doing coke and heroin let them. don't waste my tax dollars locking them up.

[Iskandar]

Assuming it doesn't affect anyone else.

For further details see a bunch of old threads.

[Pastorius]

Yeah, it demonstrably does effect other people. Physically addictive drugs anyway.

[beso negro]

I would disagree completely but I guess that's another thread

[Pastorius]

Yeah, let's try to keep this to marijuana legalisation. I know it's a case of just waiting for the hyper-conservative generation to die, and quite honestly, it won't happen in the UK until it happens in the US. That's why I want the US to friggin do it already.

[guitarded_chuck]

Legalize marijuana. Reduce crime and make large sums of money. Then research the effects of legalizing marijuana on society, the health care system, justice system, etc, and decide whether it is beneficial to legalize other drugs.

I support safe injection sites for injecting drugs cleanly and safely, but I'm not so quick to jump on board legalizing things like heroin and cocaine. These substances are extremely addictive and dangerous and in a whole other league than marijuana. You cannot O.D. on marijuana and it isn't physically addictive. Having the Government provide it's citizens which such substances seems unethical, but there are positives as well. Of course, the Government provides alcohol which can be equally as dangerous...

Like I said, take the big first step in legalizing marijuana, and then see where to go next.

I wish Canada would go ahead and legalize it. It is decriminalized in small amounts, but this isn't really beneficial for anybody except for those with small amounts of the drug. It's as if Canada and it's Government are for legalization and everyone knows the benefits of doing so, but they're waiting for someone to kick them in the *** and go forth with it (aka the USA to do it first, even though that seems a long ways away).

This is the stance I take on the issue, however I also believe that psilocybin mushrooms and perhaps MDMA should also be legalized along with marijuana in the near future.

[Pastorius]

You'll have a massive challenge finding any politician who will pledge his support to legalising psychoactive drugs.

What annoys me the most is when anti-marijuana campaigners just make things up, and even when they get called on their bull, it's not like it makes their supporters any less determined not to legalise it. It's just a shame that a politician will not be willing to back a sensible change in the law that will benefit many because they don't want to lose their job. Career politics sucks.

[guitarded_chuck]

You'll have a massive challenge finding any politician who will pledge his support to legalising psychoactive drugs.

Yeah. That's why I only talk about legalizing marijuana when I'm having a serious discussion about it, because realistically it's the only drug that could become legalized in the "near" future.

The sad part about the bullpoop anti-marijuana campaigners feed us is that some people are stupid enough to believe it, and therefore the campaigns work whether or not it's all made up or not. A lot (probably most) people really do believe that marijuana is addictive and that it has acute lethal effects. Yet the Government doesn't dare make an effort to try and educate the people about the truth of marijuana use, even though it is by far the most used illegal substance.

[wartomods]

I live in a country where all drugs are descriminalized

[Pastorius]

870,000 marijuana arrests in 2007 in the US, that's a ridiculous waste of resources.

Like it or not, the war on drugs has failed, on a massive scale particularly when it comes to marijuana. It undermines respect for the law when lots of people willingly break it, the evidence is stacking up that all of the claims made by propaganda campaigns are all bull, it's demonstrably not physically addictive, there are successful places in the world that have legal marijuana, I know it's inevitable, but I hate being demonised for doing something so harmless.

If anything, they should legalise it just to see Fox News reporters reactions.

[cmb1888]

Don't know if that's a hugely good idea either.

Sorry to be seriously uncool on this issue but I just feel uncomfortable with a widescale endorsement of drugs - whether it's alcohol or marijuana.

I don't think they should be a criminal offence but I don't like to be seen as some sort of a 'solution' - just don't think that's right

I'm pretty shaky on this though - wouldn't rule out changing my mind on this one

Ok - this is a load of rubbish

Legalise it a.s.a.p - it should be up to the individual what they want to do in this matter and the government might as well make some money out of it

I don't know what I was on last night

[Pastorius]

Well there you go, you changed your mind. I don't think it should be legalised so the government can make some money, but unfortunately if they do legalise it, they are going to dip their hands right into the marijuana pocket and get as much as they can.

[DBoons Ghost]

If it were up to the individual alone that would be great. It's not though. It's just a whole new set of legislature for DUI and all the rest, and the potential for having to work with a pothead slacker, plus the same drug measures will still be in place for corporations and truck drivers and cops and all the rest of the people who have to drug test.

It would just be a giant mess. Legalize? No. Decriminalize? Maybe. There are too many issues to just legalize and forget the thousands of issues this would present. Even decriminalizing is risky.

I'm pretty sure I've said the very same in every legalize drug thread ever in the many years in this forum. The amount of lawsuits against companies who drug test should pot become "legal" would be disastrous. Everyone presented good arguments but there is a lot to consider.

The first time a high as a kite pothead teenager killed himself and a car ful of people would be the end of it. It happens now hence the PSA and crusade against pot as a gateway drug etc, but if it were legal, the same crusaders (MADD etc.) would crop up and it wouldn't go well at all.

If anything, decriminalizing it would be a state to state thing and it would happen very slowly if at all. I can't ever see it becoming outright legal. We have too many stupid irresponsible unaccountable people in the country.

[sLarkin20]

No it's a gateway drug and retarded stoners don't contribute to society anyway.

[Pastorius]

You can say that, but think how many drink driving accidents there are every year, how many deaths that causes, how widespread abuse is, and how rock solidly legal that is. I know it's different as it would be going from illegal to legal but hey, alcohol was prohibited too!

It would be a giant mess, but hey, they could maybe take the cash that they use arresting close to a million people a year, and put some of that towards new legislature. Wouldn't you think that a pothead slacker wouldn't get very far in any half decent business? It would be pretty simple to avoid lawsuits of the kind you described, they would no longer be allowed to dismiss people for having pot in their system, unless you'd signed a contract specifically saying you would not use marijuana whilst under their employ.



Same kind of thing for people currently in prison because of marijuana offenses. If they committed the act whilst it was illegal, they stay in prison. All other cases (other than dealing large amounts) would be thrown out.

I know it would mean a lot of bureaucratic mess, but hey, most governments live for bureaucratic nonsense!

EDIT: What do you both mean by gateway drug? Physically, socially, or what?

[DBoons Ghost]

I probably should have checked the thread if I posted in it since I said the same crap earlier in it.

I'm such a burnout. HAHAHA!

[DBoons Ghost]

You can say that, but think how many drink driving accidents there are every year, how many deaths that causes, how widespread abuse is, and how rock solidly legal that is. I know it's different as it would be going from illegal to legal but hey, alcohol was prohibited too!

It would be a giant mess, but hey, they could maybe take the cash that they use arresting close to a million people a year, and put some of that towards new legislature. Wouldn't you think that a pothead slacker wouldn't get very far in any half decent business? It would be pretty simple to avoid lawsuits of the kind you described, they would no longer be allowed to dismiss people for having pot in their system, unless you'd signed a contract specifically saying you would not use marijuana whilst under their employ.

Same kind of thing for people currently in prison because of marijuana offenses. If they committed the act whilst it was illegal, they stay in prison. All other cases (other than dealing large amounts) would be thrown out.

I know it would mean a lot of bureaucratic mess, but hey, most governments live for bureaucratic nonsense!


Yeah dude it'd be interesting but like I said, I don't think the Fed Gov will just legalize. It's gonna be a state to state thing and if it does happen it will happen slowly with a little bit of decriminalizing at a time.. California first maybe since they are already so close, and maybe others to follow.

You fail to realize most if not all states in the union are broke. They make a lot more money with pot illegal.

They make a lot less money with pot legal. They lose out on a lot of potential "customers" and a lot of law enforcement jobs would be lost, and lost head count means less funding.

I just don't think anyone is seeing the big picture here.

[Pastorius]

I don't know what the big picture you're referring to is, that it's OK to keep something illegal unjustifiably because it creates jobs? Doesn't sit right with me.

To be honest, state by state is fine, just progress is what I want to see. To be honest, it would be interesting to do some research on how much money would be lost to how much money would be gained tax wise, farming wise etc.

I don't see why law enforcement jobs would HAVE to be lost, crime is still rife. Instead of arresting some stoners, arrest some burglars, shift your priorities.

I do respect your opinion though, you always manage to throw a spanner in the works.

[DBoons Ghost]

I agree more research should be done but it's hard to quantify court fees, public defenders, how many cops would lose jobs, how many less people every year would be incarcerated, how many less prison guards, less prison staff etc..

At the same time though, it's taxpayer money. We have to budget for those government jobs. DEA, Vice cops. All those jobs might be lost but how much more could be made? I just worry the quality will be regulated and pot will suck enough to make people quit. If it's out of the hands of the idiots who run this country and our states, it will still be good and quality. It's still ours. You know what I mean?

I am glad you respect my opinion and you know I am an honest pothead tried and true. So it's not like I don't get it.

[Pastorius]

In my eyes, it's fine to need less cops. I'd rather have less law enforcement jobs than more officers upholding unjust laws. I'm an idealist though :)

I also worry that if the government get their mitts on it the quality will go down. But then I think, there isn't much incentive to lower the quality of weed if you've legalised it and are making tax revenue off it.

$1.3 billion is the estimate for California tax revenue. Lots of money to a government strapped for cash! But I agree, detailed research into the full possible effects and costs have to be done before it happens.

Another thing I just thought of, you will still need cops to uphold marijuana laws, for example I think reasonable laws would be no use in public places, no use on the street, only sales from licensed distributors etc. And jobs enforcing potency, making sure pot is sold at the potency is it advertised at. So complicated.

[Mr Miagi]

retarded stoners don't contribute to society anyway.

yeah that george washington was a real waste of space

[beso negro]

retarded stoners are my roommates. they smoke and drink all day and do nothing with their lives.

george washington would not fall in this category.

[Pastorius]

Retarded non-stoners don't contribute to society either.

[Mr Miagi]

michael douglas smokes weed and he gets all the ladies

clearly smoking weed = getting all the ladies

add that to the list of reasons to legalize

[beso negro]

Michael Douglas is an idiot though. if you're going to use an example of someone smart who used marijuana talk about Richard Feynman

[Mr Miagi]

bill gates is pretty smart and he's hinted several times, while not coming right out and saying it, that he either smokes or has smoked weed

add that to the list

[Pastorius]

Richard Feynman is probably the greatest physicist ever to have lived, it's true.

But can we keep this thread a serious discussion of the merits and risks of legalising marijuana? I enjoy the actual debate and not just "stoners are retards who do nothing" and "r u kidding pot rules i'm baked rite now"

[Mr Miagi]

after more than 200 posts i don't think there's any pros or cons left to discuss

[Pastorius]

True. Seems to be a possible start of law reform in California though, got me excited :(

[1338 h4x0r]

The point is that you don't (shouldn't) oppose criminalisation of marijuana because it impinges on choice but because it is an unjustified restriction.

Yes, but again you're splitting hairs

"legislating choice" is a term I borrowed from Bill Maher, referring to gay marriage. The gist of it was that he personally found homosexuality gross, but it wasn't his or anyone else's job to arbitrate taste

I think burning cannabis up and inhaling the foul-smelling vapors thereof is gross too but it's not my choice, at least not in this case

Nobody has convinced me that cannabis is worse than alcohol

why not maybe he's a libertarian now and it would be consistent with the rest of his views

I have always been a social libertarian wtf

[Iskandar]

No it's a gateway drug and retarded stoners don't contribute to society anyway.Bad opinions.

First of all the notion of a gateway drug is pretty stupid and secondly singling out the dumb stoners conveniently ignores all of the successful people who contribute a lot to society and happen to enjoy a little reefer in their spare time.

[Iskandar]

"legislating choice" is a term I borrowed from Bill Maher, referring to gay marriage. The gist of it was that he personally found homosexuality gross, but it wasn't his or anyone else's job to arbitrate tasteThat seems out of character for him.
Nobody has convinced me that cannabis is worse than alcoholIt's not.
I have always been a social libertarian wtfWhich as we know is not the same thing as an economic libertarian.