Pathetic America Thead

[Strum]

I've stopped myself from making a thread like this many times before but this time it can't be helped

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24889936-5013404,00.html

[Mr. Ron]

His color would clash with the curtains

[Aaron]

Nice one America.

[xtal]

who cares

[Strum]

america does

apparently it's australia's fault that obama's staff can't organise their presidents accommodation

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

ok

"we" as in 99% of all americans don't give a **** about this, it's the media that does

[xtal]

ya maybe if u guys stopped stuffin ur faces w/ meat pies u wouldnt get int he way and get that **** on my carpet

[Aaron]

ya maybe if u guys stopped stuffin ur faces w/ meat pies u wouldnt get int he way and get that **** on my carpet
Least we can run our economy correctly.

[xtal]

least u could do is stop humpin kangaroo's and get rid of that stupid accent

[Jaymz Hetfield]

Yeah...pretty sure no real Americans like Hulk Hogan care about this.

[DBoons Ghost]

Any excuse to bash the US.

Meh. If John Howard expressed any displeasure in this, maybe it would be resolved.

So far this is a stupid report, with bloggers comments? Since when did anyone start using bloggers comments in their reporting, if for nothing else to get some extra hits for cash?

Bad, Strum. Bad! This is a nothing story from a nothing source.

[Strum]

least u could do is stop humpin kangaroo's and get rid of that stupid accent

pathetic america

[mph4ever]

bush, blair and howard

how come bush didn't ask his two allies to stay at the white house. it'd would be a fitting recognition of their blind efforts to support his war on terror. be their last chance before barry hussein moves in with his homies too

[DBoons Ghost]

Please stop the ignorance with the Australia vs America idiocy.

[xtal]

dont know where that is but america is better than paulhoganville

[Aaron]

That's not a knife, this is a knife.

[xtal]

ya but w/ countries

[mph4ever]

indiana jones > crocodile dundee

[Mr. Ron]

That's not a knife, this is a knife.
I lol'd



but seriously, this has nothing to do with America as a whole, just a small number of idiots.

[Aaron]

indiana jones > crocodile dundee
steve irwin > indiana jones

[Aaron]

Dear America,
I hope that Obama does help your country out of the current state it is in. Fingers crossed that he has to foresight to make good economic, military and social decisions that resolve the bullshit that occurred in the Bush era. Currently the international community as a whole seems to have lost faith in the integrity of the biggest nation in the world, and I hope that you can change that in the coming years. Remember, as the biggest economy you have a responsibility to the international community. I sincerely hope that things change for the better.

Kind Regards,
Aaron.

[mph4ever]

steve irwin > indiana jones

giant fish > steve irwin

[Aaron]

Woah woah, way harsh.

[mph4ever]

Woah woah, way harsh.

man, anyone who did the things steve irwin did was going to get caught at some stage. unforetunate the way it happened but thats life. would never have happened to indy

[Light Fantastic]

Please stop the ignorance with the Australia vs America idiocy.

because australia is clearly the worst 'developed' country in the world

[Strum]

:lol:

[Mr. Ron]

boganz

[Spaceman Spiff]

Still waiting for the news report announcing that Bear Grylls has died doing something crazy.

[Der Übermensch]

Say what you will, but it certainly is tradition for the Prez-elect to occupy the Blair house leading up to his inauguration.

[Castillo]

Aussies exist only because their amusing accents have convinced us to allow them to exist. But make no mistake, one bad move and we will wipe you all out. Except Emilie De Ravin, we'll leave her alone because I want to see how Lost ends.

[McP3000]

because australia is clearly the worst 'developed' country in the world
yeah australia sucks

[Mother]

BTW The reason you made an America sucks thread is because of some good for nothing State leaders don't have a fancy place to stay? An I getting this right?

[Aaron]

Aussies exist only because their amusing accents have convinced us to allow them to exist. But make no mistake, one bad move and we will wipe you all out. Except Emilie De Ravin, we'll leave her alone because I want to see how Lost ends.
Thanks for that Thatcher.

[Sk0rpi0n]

Least we can run our economy correctly.

What?
Last time I checked your banking system was being saved from collapse...

(Sorry, just couldn't resist replying to this one -- and I'm not entirely sure if Aaron is being sarcastic or not)

[Sk0rpi0n]

Aussies exist only because their amusing accents have convinced us to allow them to exist. But make no mistake, one bad move and we will wipe you all out. Except Emilie De Ravin, we'll leave her alone because I want to see how Lost ends.

You can't even control a poor nation of similar population (Iraq or Afghanistan) -- how do you expect the pathetic American military to control a much larger nation with money and friends to throw around?

(sorry, I couldn't help myself)

[Aaron]

What?
Last time I checked your banking system was being saved from collapse...

(Sorry, just couldn't resist replying to this one -- and I'm not entirely sure if Aaron is being sarcastic or not)

Well our banking system is regulated enough not to require intervention. But yes, I was trawlin'

[siva_chair]

Lol @ people thinking that it was the lack of regulation that caused the economic problems.

[Aaron]

lol @ you not making a post worth reading as it had no substance.

[siva_chair]

Well you obviously read it.

[Aaron]

Being the successful awesome super great economist you are siva, tell us why the US economy is failing and how it being poorly regulated is not at all related to this crazy random accidental tricky phenomena.

[DBoons Ghost]

because australia is clearly the worst 'developed' country in the world

I don't understand what this has to do with me asking everyone to not turn this into some retarded nationalistic "my country is better then yours" thread when there is no reason for it.

How does this retort of yours even make sense? Followed by Strum's chucklepatch impression. You guys can be huge dicks at times.

[siva_chair]

Being the successful awesome super great economist you are siva, tell us why the US economy is failing and how it being poorly regulated is not at all related to this crazy random accidental tricky phenomena.

The government created various moral hazards through various acts and regulations that artifically inflated the housing bubble and the likes.

[Aaron]

Ah, of course. The government ruined the economy. That makes so much sense.

[ThePalaceOfWisdom]

man, anyone who did the things steve irwin did was going to get caught at some stage. unforetunate the way it happened but thats life. would never have happened to indy

What do you call the Crystal Skull?

Oh BTW John Howard is awesome.

[K oko]

this thead is pathetic

[Meatplow]

i absolutely despise american culture and its influence on the rest of the world

[K oko]

i despise pretty much everyone in general everyone sucks

[ThePalaceOfWisdom]

Especially you.

[DBoons Ghost]

i absolutely despise american culture and its influence on the rest of the world


Can you elaborate? Maybe we can have a civil discussion about this. I'm curious what you deem "American culture" because it seems to me that American culture is a hodge podge of what everyone brings with them when they immigrate to this country.

[siva_chair]

Ah, of course. The government ruined the economy. That makes so much sense.

Of course it does the government is really good at ruining lots of things.

[K oko]

Especially you.

yeh but unlike you i only just suck at life an not sucking big dicks makin gay porn like you

[ThePalaceOfWisdom]

Oh harsh.

[Light Fantastic]

I don't understand what this has to do with me asking everyone to not turn this into some retarded nationalistic "my country is better then yours" thread when there is no reason for it.

How does this retort of yours even make sense? Followed by Strum's chucklepatch impression. You guys can be huge dicks at times.

but it wasnt a retort it was a serious post on why there shouldnt be any debate

[Meatplow]

Can you elaborate? Maybe we can have a civil discussion about this. I'm curious what you deem "American culture" because it seems to me that American culture is a hodge podge of what everyone brings with them when they immigrate to this country.

I was using hyperbole, and you are correct in your statement. A point still stands because I do feel a resentment, I will try to explain to the best of my ability.

America to me comes off like a wasteland of commercial interests, shopping malls, strip clubs, 7/11's etc. People seem to live simply to work and be consumers until the day they die, of course not everybody exists inside that loop however it seems that the mainstream idea of living is so. Other countries follow suit, however none are as big a power and I dare say quite as arrogant as the US as a collective whole seems to be.

It has grown to have the most dominant chain of corporations and the most prolific reach of media in the world. It's influence is immeasurable, spreading overseas and ingraining itself into other cultures through fast food franchises, TV shows, movies, you name it. Near every country in the world has been touched by America in one way or another, and my problem with this is that it seems to create a stigma within people here in Australia.

That is, we can never live up to the great nation of America. For every person I know in Australia who resents America and sees it as an arrogant, pigheaded nation, there are perhaps three more who have an inferiority complex regarding their own country and immerse themselves in this idea that everything American burns so much brighter. Whether it's 90% American TV shows, American music and American movies dominating the mainstream charts, and the American franchises such as McDonalds and KFC peppering our landscapes being more iconic then anything Australian etc, I can't pinpoint exactly why it is so many people who were born here I have met over time hate our very own country and feel everything overseas is larger then life. White australian teenagers deciding to adopt American hip-hop fashion and roll blasting 2pac in their shitty cars pretending they are gangstas, young children insist to their parents that Australia is not worth learning about and everything is better in America, Australian television and media trying to be more like the US. It's quite simply overbearing.

This might sound like irate patriotism, well maybe. My true beef is mainstream American culture seems to lack any substance and Australia always striving to be like the US means we are losing our own identity. As a disclaimer I will not claim to be completely free from its influence myself, much of the media I have enjoyed over time is American but when a TV show such as Family Guy is claimed by every second person I know to be the funniest thing that will ever be when it is full of obscure references to American culture that quite simply make no sense to us without research I think it's a horrible thing.

/rant

[K oko]

you dont really know much about america except what you see on tv do you

[Meatplow]

I could not say. Unfold the mystique for me.

[siva_chair]

I could not say. Unfold the mystique for me.

Well if the only thing you know or understand about America is what you see in movies or on television, I can see why you would feel the way you do about it.

[Meatplow]

I won't claim to know the in's and out's of the US, I offered an informed perspective of how some Australians including myself see the nation from our viewpoint and I am willing to allow a level of naivety.

Regardless, it's not important here. The influence America has over our nation even filtered through the lens of the media to a tiny fraction of useful knowledge about the country is ridiculous and the main crux of my dislike.

[Black Ink]

thread*

[Light Fantastic]

I have met over time hate our very own countrywell australia is worth hating we've covered this its a terrible place

[big80smullet]

Coming from my perspective having been in the states for extended periods of time, Working and travelling most of you guys are ok. Americans are very friendly and open and most of them would do anything in their powre to help someone in need. But tbh the moral majority (Republicans, Christians etc) are just plain ignorant. The problem is they shout much louder than the rational people who populate much of the america ive seen. These people are the ones who give america a bad name. They spout their ideas which are usually stupid sometimes harmful and they cannot tolerate someone thining or acting different to them. We have those in australia but they are rarely listened to. In reality Aussies and Americans arent so different. We're both young nations who dont really have much national identity or coherence and we hold similar, conservative judeo-christian values. The major dofference for me is that in australia we have this culture of "she'll be right" where we just feel that if it isnt hurting us it doesnt really matter, whereas in america you have huge fuss over gay marriage abortion etc.

call me an idiot or whatever but these are my observations

[siva_chair]

I won't claim to know the in's and out's of the US, I offered an informed perspective of how some Australians including myself see the nation from our viewpoint and I am willing to allow a level of naivety.

Regardless, it's not important here. The influence America has over our nation even filtered through the lens of the media to a tiny fraction of useful knowledge about the country is ridiculous and the main crux of my dislike.

So basically you are mad because your fellow countrymen prefer American culture to their own? Hmm.

Personally I love American culture because I see it as one big self-deprecating, satirical joke of itself and that makes me laugh to no end.

I think American culture has definite substantial/significant value, but one of it's best qualities is that it doesn't always take itself too seriously and constantly pokes fun of itself.

[big80smullet]

So basically you are mad because your fellow countrymen prefer American culture to their own? Hmm.



Thats not at all what he said. He is basically sick of people here not being content with what we have and are and trying to imitate an unachievable goal which is presented as a norm by the media

[siva_chair]

Coming from my perspective having been in the states for extended periods of time, Working and travelling most of you guys are ok. Americans are very friendly and open and most of them would do anything in their powre to help someone in need. But tbh the moral majority (Republicans, Christians etc) are just plain ignorant. The problem is they shout much louder than the rational people who populate much of the america ive seen. These people are the ones who give america a bad name. They spout their ideas which are usually stupid sometimes harmful and they cannot tolerate someone thining or acting different to them. We have those in australia but they are rarely listened to. In reality Aussies and Americans arent so different. We're both young nations who dont really have much national identity or coherence and we hold similar, conservative judeo-christian values. The major dofference for me is that in australia we have this culture of "she'll be right" where we just feel that if it isnt hurting us it doesnt really matter, whereas in america you have huge fuss over gay marriage abortion etc.

call me an idiot or whatever but these are my observations

The rational people in America are too busy laughing at the really loud ones to be any louder.

Why everyone else in the world even begins to take them seriously is beyond me.

[siva_chair]

Thats not at all what he said. He is basically sick of people here not being content with what we have and are and trying to imitate an unachievable goal which is presented as a norm by the media

So why doesn't he hate the fools that engage in that behavior instead of being angry at an intangible.

[mph4ever]

What do you call the Crystal Skull?

a triumph

Oh BTW John Howard is awesome.
is he the bloke who sent ozzie troops to their death in support of americas war on terror

[Light Fantastic]

an unachievable goal if it has been achieved then by definition its achievable wut

[big80smullet]

The rational people in America are too busy laughing at the really loud ones to be any louder.

Why everyone else in the world even begins to take them seriously is beyond me.

um no they arent. The rational people arent laughing after 8 years of rule by said crazies.

Maybe people take them seriously because they invaded two countries, one on completely false pretenses in a war for oil, and came very close to invading a third all while stripping their own citizens of many civil liberties and blatantly defying the UN and proving its ineffectiveness. Maybe thats why people take them seriously.

Also the fact that you are now buying huge SUV's again just because oil has temporarily slipped in price doesnt ingratiate the rest of the world, who're still paying $5+ a gallon, to you at all.

if it has been achieved then by definition its achievable wut

its achievable for a nation of 300 million but not for a nation of 20 million is what i was trying to get at.

[Meatplow]

So basically you are mad because your fellow countrymen prefer American culture to their own? Hmm.

It's forced upon our culture as the standard from birth. It's not a preference until people here realise we get so wound up in this idea America is the only place that produces the best quality stuff in the world. It's false.

Personally I love American culture because I see it as one big self-deprecating, satirical joke of itself and that makes me laugh to no end.

I think American culture has definite substantial/significant value, but one of it's best qualities is that it doesn't always take itself too seriously and constantly pokes fun of itself.

This is fine. I personally disagree with it's merits, but I am not going to stomp on it.

[Light Fantastic]

itt people who are mad about their terrible culture being erased by a better one

also itt people saying americans are crazy and ignoring that australia is probably one of the most racist and retarded places on earth

[big80smullet]

lol no. We're just protective of what little culture we have amassed since australia was birthed and we wont sacrifice it to be PC and pander to minorities demands. There are plenty of other places they can live if theyre offended by our country

[mph4ever]

lol no. We're just protective of what little culture we have amassed since australia was birthed and we wont sacrifice it to be PC and pander to minorities demands. There are plenty of other places they can live if theyre offended by our country

what about the native australians?

[Light Fantastic]

culture is a natural amalgamation of everything and everyone

trying to impede the normal evolution of it is retarded

australia would be nothing without immigration, and since everyone in australia pays taxes the same as you do, they have the same right of contribution to the culture as you too

this is why australians are stupid

[big80smullet]

yah theyre here too. Their culture consists of living in the bush and having no concept of ownership. As much as i feel like yes they were robbed of their land in the 1700's, no one can change whats happened and we all need to make the best of a shitty situation and they dont even attempt to do that. They just resort to dole bludging and crime. And im not being racist on this one. Its true. I cant get my head around how they prtest this and that but make no real quantitative demands of the government for reparations, because as soon as they ask for reparations and we pay out they'll have nothing to bitch about and no leverage over the government to get petrol money

[big80smullet]

culture is a natural amalgamation of everything and everyone

trying to impede the normal evolution of it is retarded

australia would be nothing without immigration, and since everyone in australia pays taxes the same as you do, they have the same right of contribution to the culture as you too

this is why australians are stupid

no. they have the right to come here and live as they like. they do not have the right to come here and change things so australia is run like Riyadh. They come here and they abide by our rules and accept australia as it is or they can find somewhere else to live. **** them

[Light Fantastic]

everyone who doesnt have the same cultural values as me can get out and the country can die around me while i cry into my australian flag

[Light Fantastic]

they do not have the right to come here and change thingsum of course they do they contribute just as much as you so they have the same rights as you

[mph4ever]

yah theyre here too. Their culture consists of living in the bush and having no concept of ownership. As much as i feel like yes they were robbed of their land in the 1700's, no one can change whats happened and we all need to make the best of a poopty situation and they dont even attempt to do that. They just resort to dole bludging and crime. And im not being racist on this one. Its true. I cant get my head around how they prtest this and that but make no real quantitative demands of the government for reparations, because as soon as they ask for reparations and we pay out they'll have nothing to bitch about and no leverage over the government to get petrol money

they prop up the whole stubbies, pre-mixes and pokees industries and keep social welfare in a meaningful job

[siva_chair]

um no they arent. The rational people arent laughing after 8 years of rule by said crazies.

Yes they are. GWB and co. have become the butt of many o' jokes. Great source of comedy.

Maybe people take them seriously because they invaded two countries, one on completely false pretenses in a war for oil, and came very close to invading a third all while stripping their own citizens of many civil liberties and blatantly defying the UN and proving its ineffectiveness. Maybe thats why people take them seriously.

Ok but that has very little to do with the average American person, as most of them aren't to pleased with those things either.

Also the fact that you are now buying huge SUV's again just because oil has temporarily slipped in price doesnt ingratiate the rest of the world, who're still paying $5+ a gallon, to you at all.

Oh noes SUV's!

Plus, I think you are wrong, as truck and SUV sales plunged again this month so I don't know where you are getting your information from.

its achievable for a nation of 300 million but not for a nation of 20 million is what i was trying to get at.

Have more sex.

It's forced upon our culture as the standard from birth.

Not really, as people choose to accept it or not.


There are plenty of cultures that resist American cultural influence. Those places are called the Middle East. :eek:

It's not a preference until people here realise we get so wound up in this idea America is the only place that produces the best quality stuff in the world. It's false.

Maybe your own culture should start producing things that it's citizens can be proud of. Sorry, but I just don't see why anger is justified at the US or it's culture. We export our culture because there is a demand for it elsewhere. It isn't our fault other people love it.

This is fine. I personally disagree with it's merits, but I am not going to stomp on it.

Well it obviously offers something admirable to people, otherwise there wouldn't be such a demand for it.

I don't know what kind of music you like, but I can almost bet that America has influenced it in a substantial way, so surely it holds some degree of merit....

[siva_chair]

everyone who doesnt have the same cultural values as me can get out and the country can die around me while i cry into my australian flag

:lol:

[Meatplow]

blind arrogance

bad trolling

i'm a leave this thread to you baby boys buh-bye

[siva_chair]

Umm how was I being blindly arrogant?

I was mainly pointing out how your anger and hostility towards American culture is both seemingly misplaced and would be better directed at your fellow countrymen, as that is really what seems to be bothering you (that they would "buy" into American culture).

[big80smullet]

everyone who doesnt have the same cultural values as me can get out and the country can die around me while i cry into my australian flag
No i respect and welcome people of other cultures to australia
um of course they do they contribute just as much as you so they have the same rights as you

Well no you're missing the point.

if people dont like australia how it is they shouldnt move here. im sick of people coming here and saying we do things wrong, its ****, it offends them etc. if you hate it/are offended that much move back to whereever you came from. If you dont mind how it is you're welcome to stay here. Australia is one of the most multicultural countries on the planet so dont give me that intolerant bullshit. Yes in the first half of the century we were more racist than any countr this side of nazi germany but that was a long time ago. give credit where credit is due

If some people moved to scotland and said that bagpipes offended them and they wanted to ban the playing of bagpipes then you wouldnt be happy about it would you? (i realise you probably hate bagpipes and wouldnt care its just an example) so when some immigrants want us to wear ****ing burkhas at the beach cause skin offends them we are not happy either. If you want sharia law go live in ****ing pakistan. If you want what we have to offer then you are more than welcome to come here, provided you meet the criteria for a visa of course

[deathscreamingsheep]

Their culture consists of living in the bush and having no concept of ownership. As much as i feel like yes they were robbed of their land in the 1700's, no one can change whats happened and we all need to make the best of a poopty situation and they dont even attempt to do that. They just resort to dole bludging and crime.

All black people who come to the Uk do is commit lots of crime and leech welfare. But I guess I shouldn't be too angry at them because at least they don't take all our jobs and our tax money like the polish.

Oh wait, this might come off as massively racist.

Well I guess adding the phrase 'I'm not being racist, it's true' will totally disqualify me from anyone reading these giant generalisations thinking that. Instead they'll see it as not racist at all but actual real tangible fact.

[siva_chair]

I heard the worst are those damn black polocks. Sheesh.

[someguest]

at least Americans can spell thread

[Light Fantastic]

so when some immigrants want us to wear ****ing burkhas at the beach cause skin offends them we are not happy either.
um liberty isnt an australian cultural thing why are you equating the two

If some people moved to scotland and said that bagpipes offended them and they wanted to ban the playing of bagpipes then you wouldnt be happy about it would you?i wouldnt really care because i know its not going to happen and they are free to campaign to ban whatever they like which is why you should calm down about those crazy muslims who are gonna impose sharia on australia any day now

[big80smullet]

All black people who come to the Uk do is commit lots of crime and leech welfare. But I guess I shouldn't be too angry at them because at least they don't take all our jobs and our tax money like the polish.

Oh wait, this might come off as massively racist.

Well I guess adding the phrase 'I'm not being racist, it's true' will totally disqualify me from anyone reading these giant generalisations thinking that. Instead they'll see it as not racist at all but actual real tangible fact.
Well i used to live in england and yes the immigrants do commit lots of crime and yes the polish do take jobs. I dont think you are racist for saying so. Of course not all immigrants commit crime and of course not all poles steal jobs but lots do and the same goes for the abos. Of course they dont all sit in the outback and drink petrol on government money but alot do.
um liberty isnt an australian cultural thing why are you equating the two

i wouldnt really care because i know its not going to happen and they are free to campaign to ban whatever they like which is why you should calm down about those crazy muslims who are gonna impose sharia on australia any day now
Who said anything about liberty? im talking about beach culture which is a very australian thing. The thing is though why do those batshit muslims come to australia/UK when they could stay in Saudi and live under sharia law? oh yeah its cause sharia law is **** and they decided to leave

[Light Fantastic]

they didnt decide to leave because of sharia law though obviously or they wouldnt be asking for it

just because australia is better to them in some ways doesnt make it immune to criticism on all fronts

and changing the culture is different than infringing upon liberty, liberty isnt an australian thing

so its not an attack on australian culture to be against displays of skin at the beach

[Aaron]

If you choose to immigrate to a country you're welcome to adopt different practices to the norm, provided its within the social constraints of that country; that is fine. What is wrong is expecting those constraints to change for your agenda when you've made the choice to move to that country.

[Light Fantastic]

not really

improving the country is part of liking it

[Reductio]

More like Ausfailure, amirite?

[big80smullet]

More like Ausfailure, amirite?

australia doesnt fail one tenth as much as this post did

[Reductio]

I think my post was about as intelligent as any other post in this thread.

[big80smullet]

no it really wasnt. people are actually putting forth opinions ion this thread. You are just a ****ing waste of space.

[Reductio]

They're putting forth dumb opinions in this dumb thread, you mean.

Lighten up, man. I'm just joking around.

[Reductio]

By the way, I have lived in both the US and Australia, so this thread would be relevant to me. I mean, it would be if it wasn't so stupid.

[Aaron]

not really

improving the country is part of liking it

Yeah, but you have to know the country before you try and improve it, otherwise you're just being arrogant in moving there and expecting some preconcieved ideal.

[big80smullet]

all countries should remain exactly the same

[mph4ever]

all countries should remain exactly the same


tell that to africa and the middle east, and most of south east asia

[Light Fantastic]

Yeah, but you have to know the country before you try and improve it, otherwise you're just being arrogant in moving there and expecting some preconcieved ideal.

no you dont all you need is the image of the perfect country in your mind and everything that doesnt match needs changing what

[Aaron]

Well go take over Sealand or declare yourself sovereign if you've got that high a standard.

[StreetlightRock]

I hope no country ever remains the same, ever.

[ThePalaceOfWisdom]

a triumph

is he the bloke who sent ozzie troops to their death in support of americas war on terror

If I'm not mistaken there's been very few deaths at all for Australians in the War on Terror. In fact the first Australian causalty came from an accident involving a handgun being cleaned.

Also he's the former Prime Minister who pulled the country out of a major recession in the mid-90's.

[mph4ever]

If I'm not mistaken there's been very few deaths at all for Australians in the War on Terror. In fact the first Australian causalty came from an accident involving a handgun being cleaned.

he didn't know that they would be that lucky. hes in washington to get praised by bush alongside blair. sums it up really

Also he's the former Prime Minister who pulled the country out of a major recession in the mid-90's.

the whole world got out of recession around that time. strangely enough we are in the middle of one now.

[ThePalaceOfWisdom]

the whole world got out of recession around that time. strangely enough we are in the middle of one now.

Ok fine, he lead Australia for 11 years during which we achieved a higher level of economic success then ever before. He was key in the development of Australia's trade relations with Asian countries which lead to a massive increase in our mining industry. When he left office in 07 the country had a stable economy. It's a statistical fact that the opposing political party "Labor" are useless twats who always end up running the country into the ground and relying on the Liberal Coalition to get them out of that hole.

He's a very important political figure in Australia's history and just because he's not super important to America doesn't mean he shouldn't be respected. More importantly Barak Obama has yet to actually do anything notable aside from being the first black president. So I think it's a bit insulting for someone as accomplished as John Howard to be expected to give up a room he had been booked in for, just so Obama can move in early.

[Light Fantastic]

More importantly Barak Obama has yet to actually do anything notable aside from being the first black president.
yeah i mean he just appeared out of nowhere and took the presidency

[ThePalaceOfWisdom]

Remind me again what are some of the highlights of his political career?

[mph4ever]

Ok fine, he lead Australia for 11 years during which we achieved a higher level of economic success then ever before. He was key in the development of Australia's trade relations with Asian countries which lead to a massive increase in our mining industry. When he left office in 07 the country had a stable economy. It's a statistical fact that the opposing political party "Labor" are useless twats who always end up running the country into the ground and relying on the Liberal Coalition to get them out of that hole.

hes to be admired for all those things. sounds like he is a great man for australia. wouldn't say the afghans or iraqis apprecaite his support for bush too much though.

He's a very important political figure in Australia's history and just because he's not super important to America doesn't mean he shouldn't be respected. More importantly Barak Obama has yet to actually do anything notable aside from being the first black president. So I think it's a bit insulting for someone as accomplished as John Howard to be expected to give up a room he had been booked in for, just so Obama can move in early.
i thought it was tradition that the president elect stays at blair house. he should really give up the room for the most powerful man on earth. howard has left his legacy. he contributed to the war on terror. its time for him to step aside and make way for the new order.

[ThePalaceOfWisdom]

he should really give up the room for the most powerful man on earth.

That's the sort of attitude that leads to people assuming American's hold themselves in higher regard than the rest of the world.I think the major issue is that John Howard was booked to stay there prior to Obama's decision to move in. If Obama had already been set to move in and Howard just decided to stay there I'd feel differently but Howard booked it first.

It might be a tradition for the President Elect to stay there but it isn't that big a deal that he has to live somewhere else for a few days so that a former leader of a country can recieve an award.

[mph4ever]

That's the sort of attitude that leads to people assuming American's hold themselves in higher regard than the rest of the world.I think the major issue is that John Howard was booked to stay there prior to Obama's decision to move in. If Obama had already been set to move in and Howard just decided to stay there I'd feel differently but Howard booked it first.

It might be a tradition for the President Elect to stay there but it isn't that big a deal that he has to live somewhere else for a few days so that a former leader of a country can recieve an award.


lets look at it. you have a bush puppet and the soon to be most powerful man on earth. howard should know his place, he should step aside. it would be a nice gesture on behalf of one of americas subordinates

[Light Fantastic]

Remind me again what are some of the highlights of his political career?running a state that on its own is probably more important than australia?

[ThePalaceOfWisdom]

lets look at it. you have a bush puppet and the soon to be most powerful man on earth. howard should know his place, he should step aside. it would be a nice gesture on behalf of one of americas subordinates

There's no way you are serious, America's subordiantes? Bush Puppet? Oh god you're funny.

running a state that on its own is probably more important than australia?

That's laughable, which countries actually like yours? Oh right none of them.

[Light Fantastic]

oh now its a popularity contest

gg though retard im european cry more about australia being insignificant

[mph4ever]

There's no way you are serious, America's subordiantes? Bush Puppet? Oh god you're funny.

so why did they just blindly follow the war on terror when all the facts did not justify it. they followed america. they are subordinate to america in this matter. its not australias war on terror, its americas war on terror. its a credit to australia that he gets this medal for their undying support for america and world peace and democracy and stuff

[ThePalaceOfWisdom]

oh now its a popularity contest

gg though retard im european cry more about australia being insignificant

My bad. Have you ever been to Australia? Do you know anything about Australia? Is your country "significant"? Unless it's Denmark I think not.

[Light Fantastic]

i know a lot about australia its terrible we have already covered this

and lol @ this silly nationalist game you want to play

my country created yours from its lowest lifeforms, do i win yet

[ThePalaceOfWisdom]

i know a lot about australia its terrible we have already covered this

and lol @ this silly nationalist game you want to play

my country created yours from its lowest lifeforms, do i win yet

Actually all you've said the entire thread is "I think Australia sux". You're just a retard. Also unless your country created Denmark you're a f*ckwit. No Actually even if it did you're still a f*ckwit.

[Aaron]

Yes. You win a burberry cap and warm beer.

[Light Fantastic]

wtf this guy is obsessed with denmark for some reason

[Mr. Ron]

why are people saying obama is black

[Correction]

hes arab

[Mr. Ron]

he's mulatto. he's just as black as he is white. i don't get why people are calling him black.

[xtal]

must defend australia's integrity

[mph4ever]

wtf this guy is obsessed with denmark for some reason

like all austrailian ruling class hes probably 2nd or 3rd generation european or a viking or a rasher of bacon

[Mr. Ron]

mmmm bacon

[Jude]

he's mulatto. he's just as black as he is white. i don't get why people are calling him black.

historically mulattos were considered black in America because that meant masters could rape their female slaves and create more slaves as part of the bargain

[interviewer02]

steve irwin > indiana jones

dead>alive

[Det_Nosnip]

why are people saying obama is black

Because his skin is dark and he has obvious African features? :confused:

Why do people ask stupid questions?

[Mr. Ron]

Because his skin is dark and he has obvious African features? :confused:

Why do people ask stupid questions?
yeah but you see he's not black

he's half white




I just think its funny that everyone is saying we elected our first black prez when thats basically a lie.

[mph4ever]

yeah but you see he's not black

he's half white




I just think its funny that everyone is saying we elected our first black prez when thats basically a lie.

hes about as black as america would elect. round here hes a sandy colour. you could see barry hussein in a fez

[big80smullet]

lets look at it. you have a bush puppet and the soon to be most powerful man on earth. howard should know his place, he should step aside. it would be a nice gesture on behalf of one of americas subordinates

um we arent your subordinates mate. We are equal partners in the ANZUS treaty. which is a trade/military alliance. I think you'll find that you benefit quite nicely from our trade agreements, as do we and we are willing to support you in your war and have some ships in our harbour etc. To end this treaty would be worse for you guys tbh. We have a billion people sitting directly north of us Who'll buy all the **** we produce. Dont think that america is automatically incharge just cause you're the biggest cause newsflash you're now the third biggest economy and soon to be the fourth. You dont have the biggest military either. So stop sucking your own dick and pretending that america is more important than it actually is. you dont run the world.


Also it strike me that they should have know that there would be a new president being sworn in and tha maybe they shoulda booked it earlier. Or the hotel shouldnt have let howard have it. howard has done nothing wrong. Ive got no love for the man but The ****up is entirely on your end.

[Meatplow]

arrogant americans deserve a kick up the bum and it's coming oh its coming

[Light Fantastic]

keep telling yourself that

[Meatplow]

but I didn't really mean it

[mph4ever]

um we arent your subordinates mate. We are equal partners in the ANZUS treaty. which is a trade/military alliance. I think you'll find that you benefit quite nicely from our trade agreements, as do we and we are willing to support you in your war and have some ships in our harbour etc. To end this treaty would be worse for you guys tbh. We have a billion people sitting directly north of us Who'll buy all the **** we produce. Dont think that america is automatically incharge just cause you're the biggest cause newsflash you're now the third biggest economy and soon to be the fourth. You dont have the biggest military either. So stop sucking your own dick and pretending that america is more important than it actually is. you dont run the world.

tiny kangaroo down sport

don't run the world? who is going to stop america? who is going to stand up to america as they rework the entire middle east to americas advantage? who? no one because no one has the balls that america has, or the bombs or the budget or the interest.

anzus is about as significant as keeping idaho or utah in the union. there is no equality between the most powerful nation on earth and anyone, let alone a bunch of sheep farmers and their sheep. you support america because you do not want to get isolated in the middle of nowhere, at the other side of everywhere. and sure you are doing a good job of sucking up to the chinese, its important you realise that there may be a new master in town for you to follow. thats the way of the world. but remember a dog with two homes was never any good and the time may just come when you will have to choose, america and freedom or china and lampshades. whats it going to be sport?


Also it strike me that they should have know that there would be a new president being sworn in and tha maybe they shoulda booked it earlier. Or the hotel shouldnt have let howard have it. howard has done nothing wrong. Ive got no love for the man but The ****up is entirely on your end.
its strikes me that a lesser important civilian in town to get a medal for helping america achieve its goals, protect its interests, should step aside and vacate the room for the soon to be most powerful man on earth

[Meatplow]

tie me*

[Meatplow]

thats actually pretty funny because as a result I only scanned the rest of your argument and it was a goldmine of arrogant american comedy

[mph4ever]

tie me*

its a test for real aussies, familiarity with rolf harris lyrics is the key

[Meatplow]

okay man you know rolf harris thats a start :)

[mph4ever]

okay man you know rolf harris thats a start :)

and dame edna

[Meatplow]

You should watch Not Quite Hollywood: The Wild, Untold Story of Ozploitation!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0996966/

A true indicator of the superiority of Motherland Australia.

[mph4ever]

i watched the trailer, its looks so good. do the women spit and fart in it? then it would be almost a real life documentary

[Meatplow]

it's hilarious, i could only imagine it from a foreigners perspective

[mph4ever]

i'll let you know once i find it somewhere soon

[big80smullet]

tiny kangaroo down sport

don't run the world? who is going to stop america? who is going to stand up to america as they rework the entire middle east to americas advantage? who? no one because no one has the balls that america has, or the bombs or the budget or the interest.

anzus is about as significant as keeping idaho or utah in the union. there is no equality between the most powerful nation on earth and anyone, let alone a bunch of sheep farmers and their sheep. you support america because you do not want to get isolated in the middle of nowhere, at the other side of everywhere. and sure you are doing a good job of sucking up to the chinese, its important you realise that there may be a new master in town for you to follow. thats the way of the world. but remember a dog with two homes was never any good and the time may just come when you will have to choose, america and freedom or china and lampshades. whats it going to be sport?


its strikes me that a lesser important civilian in town to get a medal for helping america achieve its goals, protect its interests, should step aside and vacate the room for the soon to be most powerful man on earth
ahahahahahaha this is the most retarded post ive ever read. America = freedom cause we say it really loudly while we invade other countries for no reason then imprison their citizens without trial. At least china only subjugate the chinese.

Also you do realise that china has a standing army of 1.2 million right? and they have a reserve of over 5 million troops. Then add to that indias 800k and americas 400k is looking pretty small eh. But it doesnt matter cause your economy will collapse within 5 years

ANZUS is insignificant? Where do you think all the uranium for your nukes and powerstations comes from? AUSTRALIA dickhead. You gonna buy that **** from the russians?

A dog with two homes? hardly the best dog but much better than one that savaged a baby and got put down right?

You do realise its people like you, who think america is amazing, and are so arrogant and blindly patriotic, that make people like us, who used to love america, hate you guys. You cant invade every country. Hopefully obama does a good job of turning your country around from the shithole its become in the last 8 years and makes it ACTUALLY stand for things like liberty and equality, rather than big business and oil

[Strum]

You do realise its people like you, who think america is amazing, and are so arrogant and blindly patriotic, that make people like us, who used to love america, hate you guys. You cant invade every country. Hopefully obama does a good job of turning your country around from the shithole its become in the last 8 years and makes it ACTUALLY stand for things like liberty and equality, rather than big business and oil

thats exactly how i feel


I was in a meeting a couple months ago at work with an american business man (high profile) that was visiting our company. Even he admitted his embarrassment over the attitude and arrogance that americans have towards the rest of the world. And it's due to one thing, americans think they dont need the rest of the world but it is so far from the truth it's not even funny.

[BlisteryNixon]

thats exactly how i feel


I was in a meeting a couple months ago at work with an american business man (high profile) that was visiting our company. Even he admitted his embarrassment over the attitude and arrogance that americans have towards the rest of the world. And it's due to one thing, americans think they dont need the rest of the world but it is so far from the truth it's not even funny.

Well Eastern Asia, Africa, the Latin America, and many other countries need America. Not the other way around.

[Iskandar]

It's so hard to find good child labourers in Europe though.

[BlisteryNixon]

It's so hard to find good child labourers in Europe though.

Well speaking of child labor, I've been meaning to find a virgin prostitute but my search hasn't gone too well.

[Iskandar]

You might want to check Thailand. I hear the girls can lose their virginity up to twelve times there.

[BlisteryNixon]

You might want to check Thailand. I hear the girls can lose their virginity up to twelve times there.

12 times?!?!?!? Another thing i was looking for a midget to play the part of Gretel in my new stage production of Hansel and Gretel. It involves actually fattening her up on stage and then setting her in a kettle and cooking her.

[Iskandar]

Afraid that's known as child abuse.

Or little people abuse, depending who you use.

[BlisteryNixon]

Afraid that's known as child abuse.

Or little people abuse, depending who you use.

Well I wouldn;t really cook her. I would just make it look like it. But yeah, I don't really know what the point of that post was so I'm just going to let you get back on topic now.

[big80smullet]

thats exactly how i feel


I was in a meeting a couple months ago at work with an american business man (high profile) that was visiting our company. Even he admitted his embarrassment over the attitude and arrogance that americans have towards the rest of the world. And it's due to one thing, americans think they dont need the rest of the world but it is so far from the truth it's not even funny.

yeah man most of the americans i know are cool as ****. the there a re complete assholes who almost completely erase them from my memory by being complete asses. They think they dont need the rest of the world but they dont realise how little they actually produce themselves

[mph4ever]

ahahahahahaha this is the most retarded post ive ever read. America = freedom cause we say it really loudly while we invade other countries for no reason then imprison their citizens without trial. At least china only subjugate the chinese.

but its that freedom that the great man howard is in washington collecting his medal for. he is there because of his service to america, democracy and freedom. one of the most successful politicians in the history of austrailia picking off a bone to chew on handed out by his master, mr. bush

Also you do realise that china has a standing army of 1.2 million right? and they have a reserve of over 5 million troops. Then add to that indias 800k and americas 400k is looking pretty small eh. But it doesnt matter cause your economy will collapse within 5 years

but they are all standing in china. america has strategic bases everywhere

ANZUS is insignificant? Where do you think all the uranium for your nukes and powerstations comes from? AUSTRALIA dickhead. You gonna buy that **** from the russians?

hey, i'm not suggesting that austrailia isn't important just that it needs to realise it place in the scheme of things. the leaders obviously realise it since they sent the troops to help the effort in the war on terrorism.

A dog with two homes? hardly the best dog but much better than one that savaged a baby and got put down right?

like a dingo you mean?

You do realise its people like you, who think america is amazing, and are so arrogant and blindly patriotic, that make people like us, who used to love america, hate you guys. You cant invade every country. Hopefully obama does a good job of turning your country around from the poophole its become in the last 8 years and makes it ACTUALLY stand for things like liberty and equality, rather than big business and oil

thats exactly how i feel

I was in a meeting a couple months ago at work with an american business man (high profile) that was visiting our company. Even he admitted his embarrassment over the attitude and arrogance that americans have towards the rest of the world. And it's due to one thing, americans think they dont need the rest of the world but it is so far from the truth it's not even funny.

yeah man most of the americans i know are cool as ****. the there a re complete spatulas who almost completely erase them from my memory by being complete asses. They think they dont need the rest of the world but they dont realise how little they actually produce themselves

no need to patronise americans. america doesn't need the rest of the world, complete control of the middle east and israel's long term occupation of palestine and gaza is testament to that. the fact that america and austrailia and britain could just stroll in to afghanistan or iraq and tell iran to shut up or tell russia to shut up over georgia is testament to that.

americans who feel embarrassed about what their country does for them at home and abroad are just unpatriotic. i bet you the same business man who said those things wouldn't dare voice them in a similar fashion at home.

[big80smullet]

but its that freedom that the great man howard is in washington collecting his medal for. he is there because of his service to america, democracy and freedom. one of the most successful politicians in the history of austrailia picking off a bone to chew on handed out by his master, mr. bush

but they are all standing in china. america has strategic bases everywhere

hey, i'm not suggesting that austrailia isn't important just that it needs to realise it place in the scheme of things. the leaders obviously realise it since they sent the troops to help the effort in the war on terrorism.

like a dingo you mean?






no need to patronise americans. america doesn't need the rest of the world, complete control of the middle east and israel's long term occupation of palestine and gaza is testament to that. the fact that america and austrailia and britain could just stroll in to afghanistan or iraq and tell iran to shut up or tell russia to shut up over georgia is testament to that.

americans who feel embarrassed about what their country does for them at home and abroad are just unpatriotic. i bet you the same business man who said those things wouldn't dare voice them in a similar fashion at home.
Howard isnt our greatest politician. he is simply our former prime minister. He did some good and some bad. Hes better than bush but that aint saying much

Im not saying that australia is some great super power. We arent G8 material. we are however G20. But seriously disregarding everything else the suite should have been reserved along time ago if it was such a great tradition. Its not like they havent known there'd be a new president for the last 4 years

im gonna have to disagree and say that those who're of the "america **** yeah" mentality and dont want to improve their country could be said to be less patriotic than those who complain but unltimately want to change for the better. Because surely you cant claim that america is anywhere near perfect

[Aaron]

Australia's allegiance is pretty important to the US too. Imagine if we paid Indonesia the same time and effort that we pay the US and let them have military bases on our land and access to our resources. Suddenly the south-pacific would be very different, I'm sure.

[big80smullet]

then we'd be invaded cause we would be muslims or something

[Aaron]

"The available manpower fit for military service [in Indonesia] of males aged between 16 to 49 is 52,000,000, with a further 2,000,000 new suitable for service annually."

Indonesia FTW

[mph4ever]

Howard isnt our greatest politician. he is simply our former prime minister. He did some good and some bad. Hes better than bush but that aint saying much

just picking up on something one of your compatriots said earlier about the fact that he managed austrailia through a period of massive growth from the mid-90s through to last year.

i am confused how you can compare the influence of bush and howard. they have very different roles unless you feel that bush was a puppet for someone else too

Im not saying that australia is some great super power. We arent G8 material. we are however G20. But seriously disregarding everything else the suite should have been reserved along time ago if it was such a great tradition. Its not like they havent known there'd be a new president for the last 4 years

i'm betting it was booked in the name of mccain and they are afraid to admit it

im gonna have to disagree and say that those who're of the "america **** yeah" mentality and dont want to improve their country could be said to be less patriotic than those who complain but unltimately want to change for the better. Because surely you cant claim that america is anywhere near perfect

btw, i'm a citizen of the world. my internet connection just happens to be in ireland. i couldn't care less about america except that they are a disgrace when it comes to foreign policy. i just never really understood why howard went in with them. its a insult to the austrailian people that he is in washington to collect a medal and if he wanted to do anything positive in this mess then he should consider giving his room over to the great sandy coloured hope barry hussein

just thought that if there is a thread called "pathetic american thread" then we should take advantage of it :naughty:

[big80smullet]

haha then why are you supporting america.

I meant in the way hes managed the country hes been more successful than bush has in america but he hasnt done anything amazing. Australia would have grown under anyone tbh

im betting they dont allow blacks into their hotel escept to clean the floors

Dude no one wanted to go to war. The only saving grace howard has is that most of our troops werent in frontline positions and we havent had amny deaths. Australia used to be like best mates with america but unless they sort thenselves out the negative feeling here is gonna force some policy shifts away from them and toward asia

[mph4ever]

haha then why are you supporting america.

i'm not, just pretending to be like one of those yanks we all love to hate

I meant in the way hes managed the country hes been more successful than bush has in america but he hasnt done anything amazing. Australia would have grown under anyone tbh

yeah, i said that earlier on. no one leader can claim that the boom times in their economy is down to them in the same way as the public can't really blame their country for this downturn

im betting they dont allow blacks into their hotel escept to clean the floors

thats all going to change pretty soon when the brothers arrive to visit for fried chicken and root beer

Dude no one wanted to go to war. The only saving grace howard has is that most of our troops werent in frontline positions and we havent had amny deaths. Australia used to be like best mates with america but unless they sort thenselves out the negative feeling here is gonna force some policy shifts away from them and toward asia
thats everywhere and i don't think we can hold out for much under barry hussein. i hope he changes it but i am not sure he knows what he is up against. k-street will keep him in check

[DBoons Ghost]

In my humble opinion this thread contains massive amounts of ignorance.

A Brit argueing with an Aussie about America. I dunno. I think you guys watch too much TV, and if you're forced to watch our garbage TV shows, then I feel badly for you.

I don't blame anyone for hating on this country. I hate it too. I love to hate it and I hate to love it if that makes any sense. I wish things were different and maybe they will be. It's not like in our youthful ignorance as a country people have made worse errors and elected worse leaders in their places of residence. Though, I have never once met anyone who thought this country would survive on it's own.

I mean outside these forums and all media outlets, you know nothing about this country or it's citizens. I know you think you do but you don't.

[Aaron]

Whether it is ignorant or not, people are entitled to have that opinion, and if you don't like what they're saying than it's up to you to try educate them really as it's kind of impossible to school yourself on a topic if you've not got that information in front of you.

I for one don't understand American culture so I've kept my comments to the minimum [except for when I'm being sarcastic and having a laff]. You have to recognise that our exposure to American culture comes from the media in the most part...

[mph4ever]

In my humble opinion this thread contains massive amounts of ignorance.

A Brit argueing with an Aussie about America. I dunno. I think you guys watch too much TV, and if you're forced to watch our garbage TV shows, then I feel badly for you.

I don't blame anyone for hating on this country. I hate it too. I love to hate it and I hate to love it if that makes any sense. I wish things were different and maybe they will be. It's not like in our youthful ignorance as a country people have made worse errors and elected worse leaders in their places of residence. Though, I have never once met anyone who thought this country would survive on it's own.

I mean outside these forums and all media outlets, you know nothing about this country or it's citizens. I know you think you do but you don't.

light fantastic is the brit right

[Strum]

you actually read his posts?

[DBoons Ghost]

light fantastic is the brit right

Isn't he always?

This is all Strum's fault anyway for posting a stupid story from a crap source.

[big80smullet]

In my humble opinion this thread contains massive amounts of ignorance.

A Brit argueing with an Aussie about America. I dunno. I think you guys watch too much TV, and if you're forced to watch our garbage TV shows, then I feel badly for you.

I don't blame anyone for hating on this country. I hate it too. I love to hate it and I hate to love it if that makes any sense. I wish things were different and maybe they will be. It's not like in our youthful ignorance as a country people have made worse errors and elected worse leaders in their places of residence. Though, I have never once met anyone who thought this country would survive on it's own.

I mean outside these forums and all media outlets, you know nothing about this country or it's citizens. I know you think you do but you don't.

i like to think i know a fair bit about america due to the amount of time ive spent there

[Chu]

I don't think Americans could ever really understand the perspective we, non-Americans get from America.

They seem to promote their idiots and hide anyone else (well, not entirely, but surely to an extent).

[DBoons Ghost]

I don't think Americans could ever really understand the perspective we, non-Americans get from America.

They seem to promote their idiots and hide anyone else (well, not entirely, but surely to an extent).


"They" seem to "promote" confuses me.

I don't think non Americans can ever really understand the perspective we, Americans, get from the world.

Should our opinions be thrown away because we are in fact Americans?

Is that how it works? Why do we lose our voice in this because everyone who steps to the camera from this country is an absolute moron? Why is it magnified a thousand times over because it's America?

Talk about massive double standards. I have never had a private citizen of any country responsible for their government's actions. Ever.

[DBoons Ghost]

i like to think i know a fair bit about america due to the amount of time ive spent there

Nah. I have spent tons of time in other places too.

It doesn't count when you just visit. I know you need to have this be true to justify your opinions but unless you live someplace you're just another armchair quarterback talkin' out your ***.

Who formulates opinions based on media and TV anyway?

[Chu]

Just before I saw your reply, I realised I had probably worded that pretty wrong.

Let me have another attempt.

Popular media (and Australian media isn't just to blame here, we get plenty of American "news" direct) seems to promote the stupidity of America, while, maybe not "denying", but sort of degrading any gain for America.

I'm really not attacking America (as I would in the past), if anything, MX has opened my eyes up to the fact that America is surprisingly diverse.

The American influence on the world (and anyone who denies this!), is huge, and the majority of this influence, is.... Materialistic crap!

Basically, I think it comes down to the fact, everyone else has some deep jealousy of America.
The fact that this "stupidity" is so famous is enough to show this!

[DBoons Ghost]

There's nothing to be jealous of. I would join in if the attacks were accurate.

I mean, the topic of this thread and what the news story was about led to nothing that was remotely on topic. It just spun totally out of control.

What anyone is saying has nothing to do with the original topic.

America is a consumeriffic haven of material nonsense. This is the image our government has chosen to sell to the world.

However with that said, more people flock here every year in droves to get a piece of that pie.

Would you not agree that this country was founded by children of the world only to embrace what is the most basic human instinct? Good or bad, there it is all the same.

[JohnXDoe3]

America is a nice country with lots of nice people. we aren't a perfect country, some like to act like it. we aren't terrible. some like to act like it. but, we are mostly good together and try our best at our brand of democracy

we're a nation who just elected a black man with an Islamic name to the highest office of our land. considering our history past and recent, think about that a little

we are prosperous and dirty and clean and poor and rich and people of many nations. that is us. and that ain't so bad

our disabled, blind, and poor are takin' care of, their is enough to eat for everyone, and a "severe" recession means nine out of ten people are working and the sales of cheeseburgers are way up in these "tough economic times"

we got a pretty good thing going

[Meatplow]

John Howard the Duck

[mph4ever]

John Howard the Duck

hahaha



everyone is beautiful in america although i don't get the love they have for blondes, there are not enough brunettes

[big80smullet]

http://stilgherrian.com/images/jwh-dj-20070702-600w.jpg

[mph4ever]

http://stilgherrian.com/images/jwh-dj-20070702-600w.jpg


pic on the right is almost adolf

btw, speaking of dark haired women, who is the avatar?

[chrisadlersidol]

That's not a knife, this is a knife.

i see you've played knify spoony before