Age of Consent

[YellowRoseofTexas]

The age of consent in Texas and many states is 17. In addition to this there is a Romeo and Juliet law that allows a 14 year old in Texas to have sex with a person who is not more than three years older than they are, that is a 17 year old can have sex with someone up to three years younger if they meet the affirmative defense requirements.

This is what the Preamble to the US Constitution has to say:

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Promote the general welfare.

Here's an example.

A 17 year old, promiscuous young man, who has had many "partners", probably many STDs too, seduces a young 14 year old virgin. Now this is legal in the state of Texas. And they perform the proper coitus act. He transmits and STD to the poor unsuspecting juvenile who later passes it on to her child or maybe the disease will even induce insanity and suicidal behavior, in any case preventing her from ever having a satisfying sex life.

But then we have a 19 year old male, who has never had sex, is a moral person, who has family values, and is conservative, would never for one second think of using this girl for sex. But they meet each other, one thing leads to another, and they perform proper coitus.

Now this act results not in pregnancy, not in propagation of disease, but in an act of love between two consenting people.

The state does not recognize this. Instead they charge the man with a second degree felony, carrying a sentence of 2-20 years.

Now in a nation where the government is charged with the promotion of the general welfare, they knowingly will make it illegal for a moral, conservative, disease-free young man, to have sex with a girl even though it results in a much better outcome than had she had sex legally.

AoC laws are unconstitutional, and should be struck down to prevent the further spread of disease.

[Angmar]

They stopping you from boinking your cousin? :(

[YellowRoseofTexas]

They stopping you from boinking your cousin? :(

No I boinked her. And I boinked her good.

[jaredong]

someone could argue that "general welfare" is aimed at the majority of the public. While age limits are kinda arbitrary, i'd guess its generally better to protect the welfare of young teenagers from pedos than allow the odd "real love" that might happen.

[Light Fantastic]

i dont know i live in europe age of consent is generally 13-16 because we arent completely retarded

[Reductio]

Age of consent laws are arbitrary but your post was still dumb.

[YellowRoseofTexas]

i dont know i live in europe age of consent is generally 13-16 because we arent completely retarded

Well I hope the kiddos are using protection.

[Aaron]

AoC laws are based around the physicalities and level of mental development of the people involved. It's not an arbitary number.

[Reductio]

Yes it is. Don't lie.

[YellowRoseofTexas]

AoC laws are based around the physicalities and level of mental development of the people involved. It's not an arbitary number.

Physicalities? That;s not a word, but I am still not sure what you mean. Like the girls don't have enough clearance or something? Well that can't be true because 12 year olds are passing 8 pound bowling balls. What the guys aren't developed? Because there are 14 year old fathers. I really don't get what you mean.

And mental development. What is that? I would argue the public education system and parents today don't prepare anyone mentally for sex. They have condoms on cucumbers at 8, they have protection for 12 year olds, they have the Gardasil vaccine that causes all kinds of horrible side effects including infertility giving kids a blank check to have sex, and it is a central tenet of the liberal's faith to teach sex without consequences.

At this rate, sex should only be allowed for people 21 and up, and everyone else prosecuted.

[StreetlightRock]

lol, ITT: Rose gets none and vents

[rasputin]

I am still not sure what you mean. Like the girls don't have enough clearance or something? Well that can't be true because 12 year olds are passing 8 pound bowling balls. What the guys aren't developed? Because there are 14 year old fathers. I really don't get what you mean.
I think by mental development he means that a young teenager, in general, may not have the mental capacity to have a healthy sexual relationship, or be mature enough to handle possible consequences of such a relationship.

[YellowRoseofTexas]

lol, ITT: Rose gets none and vents

No that's not it at all. It is sad when I can't have sex with a 16 year old. But had I been 3 years younger I could have. It's not like pregnancy is a viable possibility or that I have any disease and I think we could all agree that it would be better for someone my age to have sex with an inexperienced 16 year old than that same girl have sex with someone her own age and get AIDS.

[YellowRoseofTexas]

I think by mental development he means that a young teenager, in general, may not have the mental capacity to have a healthy sexual relationship, or be mature enough to handle possible consequences of such a relationship.

I was talking about "physicalities". Whatever that means.

[Aaron]

Physicalities? That;s not a word, but I am still not sure what you mean. Like the girls don't have enough clearance or something? Well that can't be true because 12 year olds are passing 8 pound bowling balls. What the guys aren't developed? Because there are 14 year old fathers. I really don't get what you mean.

And mental development. What is that? I would argue the public education system and parents today don't prepare anyone mentally for sex. They have condoms on cucumbers at 8, they have protection for 12 year olds, they have the Gardasil vaccine that causes all kinds of horrible side effects including infertility giving kids a blank check to have sex, and it is a central tenet of the liberal's faith to teach sex without consequences.

At this rate, sex should only be allowed for people 21 and up, and everyone else prosecuted.
I imagine your house as one of those ones in town that everyone avoids as you've painted the outside with bible verses and obscure statements, and all the windows are smashed out 'cause glass is made from fire and the fire is the devil's work.

[YellowRoseofTexas]

I imagine your house as one of those ones in town that everyone avoids as you've painted the outside with bible verses and obscure statements, and all the windows are smashed out 'cause glass is made from fire and the fire is the devil's work.

That sounds more like superstition than over the top religion. I don't know where you got that idea.

[rasputin]

I was talking about "physicalities". Whatever that means.
And mental development. What is that?
No you weren't.

[YellowRoseofTexas]

No you weren't.

I know what I said. And I was talking about "physicalities" and then I went on to ask what he meant by mental development.

[yogerto]

people gotta consent to the age at which they give their consent at

[rasputin]

then I went on to ask what he meant by mental development.
Which is what I then went on to clarify. Give it up.

[YellowRoseofTexas]

Which is what I then went on to clarify. Give it up.

But your response was to my question on physicalities not mental development. So you quoted the wrong part or missed the point entirely.

[yogerto]

what point

[rasputin]

No it wasn't, I began by saying 'I think what he meant by mental development...'. Pretty obvious if you ask me. I just quoted the first chunk of your paragraph so you would know who I was talking to.

[YellowRoseofTexas]

what point

The point was I did not understand his point on "physicalities" which he still hasn't explained or even answered the question as to its wordhood.

[YellowRoseofTexas]

No it wasn't, I began by saying 'I think what he meant by mental development...'. Pretty obvious if you ask me. I just quoted the first chunk of your paragraph so you would know who I was talking to.

And that's fine. Your error still. Now explain to me physicalities. That was the one that really threw me off.

[yogerto]

huh how can he miss the point you missed if you missed it he cant miss it

[Aaron]

I dunno if it's a word, but whatever, language is progressive and it adheres to structure.

I was outlining that by a certain point, the majority of people are physically and mentally developed enough to deal with sex. It's not an arbitary threshold, it's the age that most people are developed enough to think and act for themselves.

Setting legislation where it's illegal for people under an age of 21 is silly, as by that stage most people have been in stable relationships, and some are marrying. You need to be realistic and take into account what is happening in the world, not what you think should be happening ideally.

[Reductio]

People are mentally developed enough for sex when they're able to think, "I want that penis in me" or "I want my penis in that."

[YellowRoseofTexas]

I dunno if it's a word, but whatever, language is progressive and it adheres to structure.

I was outlining that by a certain point, the majority of people are physically and mentally developed enough to deal with sex. It's not an arbitary threshold, it's the age that most people are developed enough to think and act for themselves.

Setting legislation where it's illegal for people under an age of 21 is silly, as by that stage most people have been in stable relationships, and some are marrying. You need to be realistic and take into account what is happening in the world, not what you think should be happening ideally.

Yes but what determines physical development? When a guy is x inches or produces x number of sperm, when a girl can pass x inch penis or x inch dildo? Please explain this. Kids have been having sex and children since 11 and 12 years old. They never had a problem getting it up or getting it in or getting the baby out.

[Murdererer]

14 should be legal

[yogerto]

People are mentally developed enough for sex when they're able to think, "I want that penis in me" or "I want my penis in that."

we're not living in 4000bc anymore we really dont need 14 year olds fukn an having babies they cant support working at mcdonalds

[Aaron]

Nope. They're mentally developed enough when they realise that there's other things it effects, like being able to understand the complexities of relationships.

[YellowRoseofTexas]

Too bad with all these AoC laws the only women I could get are all wrinkly and look old. Even at 21 women just look... old.

[Murdererer]

lol 21 is prime not old

[Reductio]

we're not living in 4000bc anymore we really dont need 14 year olds fukn an having babies they cant support working at mcdonalds

You're not very bright, are you?

[StreetlightRock]

Rose, you really are a virgin arn't you?

[yogerto]

You're not very bright, are you?

you can argue with me if you want but you wont win im an anarcho-primitivist and radically skeptical of post-modern society

[YellowRoseofTexas]

Rose, you really are a virgin arn't you?

What and next you'll call me a pedophile. Well I'm not falling into your demented trap.

[StreetlightRock]

ok, but everyone here knows the answer.

[Det_Nosnip]

They're infinitely entertaining.

[YellowRoseofTexas]

They're infinitely entertaining.

What are?

[Det_Nosnip]

Texans.

[YellowRoseofTexas]

Texans.

Maybe you would prefer me in blackface proposing to Whoopi? That'd be entertaining.

[McP3000]

Texans.
shut up
Maybe you would prefer me in blackface proposing to Whoopi? That'd be entertaining.
what

[YellowRoseofTexas]

shut up


¡¡You tell him!!

[Det_Nosnip]

shut up


Did I mention I'm originally from Texas? :p

[horseypie]

No that's not it at all. It is sad when I can't have sex with a 16 year old. But had I been 3 years younger I could have. It's not like pregnancy is a viable possibility or that I have any disease and I think we could all agree that it would be better for someone my age to have sex with an inexperienced 16 year old than that same girl have sex with someone her own age and get AIDS.

um, what do you mean pregnancy isnt a viable opportunity?
you do realise people mature at different rates and when one young girl or boy may be developed another may not be, correct? i mean some may not hit puberty until 13 or 14 which is definitely too young for sex with someone 19 or 20.

and there is a much bigger chance of an older person giving an STI to a younger person than there is of two young inexperienced people, but you cant start making it a limit like 'if youve had sex less than twice in your life youre fine to sleep with a 15 year old'

[YellowRoseofTexas]

um, what do you mean pregnancy isnt a viable opportunity?
you do realise people mature at different rates and when one young girl or boy may be developed another may not be, correct? i mean some may not hit puberty until 13 or 14 which is definitely too young for sex with someone 19 or 20.

and there is a much bigger chance of an older person giving an STI to a younger person than there is of two young inexperienced people, but you cant start making it a limit like 'if youve had sex less than twice in your life youre fine to sleep with a 15 year old'

Pregnancy isn't viable because for one there is no guarantee of potency or fertility.

How is it too young? They can have sex with their peers. Why not someone who is equally inexperienced?

I know this. It is sad though that someone who is by all accounts mentally, emotionally, and sexually on the level of a 16 year old yet is 19-20 cannot have sex with a 16 year old. And what makes it worse is due to this person's immaturity like anyone his age would want to be with him anyway.

There should be extenuating circumstances to allow this to be legal. It shouldn't be so restrictive. There are people that are 18+ who are immature people, who their peers of the opposite sex don't want to be with them in a relationship.

Part of a relationship is a learning experience, but it is also a growing experience. It is a time when two people (preferably of the same age level) learn about themselves and each other and grow as individuals and into adulthood.

The people that are rejected all their lives are never given that wake up call like when your girlfriend gets pregnant and then you say Oh ****. That's life. I have to get a job now. I have to get an education.

It is part of the reason everyone on the internet jokes about the guys who live in their mother's basement. They were never given an opportunity to grow into adulthood.

I mean look at me. I live alone in a small apartment. I am on welfare. If that isn't denial I don't know what is. When most people are out working and making money for themselves I sit at home and play on the internet. Now being 20, I am still immature for my age. Emotionally and socially, I think there is no argument, I am on the level of a teenager. Part of this was because I never had real friends for so many years. I never knew what it meant to carry on a conversation or to socialize with people. Now I would like to be in a relationship but aside from my looks, which someone described as the "guy from Mighty Ducks ****ed so and so and then fell off a ten story building", I am also immature. Now what stable, right-minded average person is going to want to be in a relationship with a former drug abuser, former homeless, welfare recipient, who has never held a job for more than two months, who is admittedly immature and mentally ill? I don't think I have a lot of options but to go with a "child" as the law would call her.

[horseypie]

even though youre banned im still posting because youre an idiot

you want people to judge every single person on their emotional age before saying, 'yes, you two can have sex because youre a retard'

and you also realise pregnancy is not viable for people in their late 20's as well because of potency and fertility reasons too, right?
they dont make laws and then have a thousand different exceptions to the laws, thats why they make them

[Super Batman]

I say we forget the emotional judging. Disband the age of consent.

[Light Fantastic]

13 or 14 which is definitely too young for sex with someone 19 or 20.convictions based on fact itt

[Spaceman Spiff]

It's 14 in Canada.

hollaaaa

[johnnyblaze]

I highly recommend watching some "To Catch a Predator" on youtube. Good laughs.

[VomitStainedCretin]

I highly recommend watching some "To Catch a Predator" on youtube. Good laughs.Reminds me...

Does anyone one else get seriously peeved when idiots refer to the statutory rape of pre-age-of-consent adolescents as 'paedophilia'? This on the basis of considering paedophilia to be the lustful desire for pre-adolescents.

[utstarcom]

Nope. They're mentally developed enough when they realise that there's other things it effects.

[beastman168]

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only Texan on this board worthy of the human race.

[siva_chair]

http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-20070302-000002.html

[Murdererer]

14 is legal hell yeaaaaaaa

[fatkidzonmopedz]

here i think the age of consent its 16 and when you turn 18 you cant have anything lower except maybe 17. its bullcrap down heree