Apparently Westboro Baptist is protesting my high school

[Jude]

I'm pretty sure this is fake

http://www.godhatesfags.com/written/fliers/20090101_central-high-school-philly.pdf

I mean I know the school got pretty gay in the years since I graduated but I didn't mean that LITERALLY gay and there's way gayer high schools in Philly let alone the rest of the country

Anyway discuss homos and weird inbred rednecks

[TheDarkHorse]

I really don't think this is worth discussing. People like these don't need the attention or recognition. I hope they're cleaned out from that lawsuit.

[Aaron]

They're asserting their right to free speech just like other organisations. As crazy as they are they're entitled to voice their opinion.

[Reductio]

Thankfully God isn't real, otherwise I'd be in a bit of trouble.

[Meatplow]

a seriously insignificant group of people

[Aaron]

Thankfully God isn't real, otherwise I'd be in a bit of trouble.

The trolls are getting worse and worse each year.
This isn't the Pit, leave.

[Jude]

I think WBC is a hue trolling operation

Nobody could be that inbred

[Reductio]

Anyhow WBC aren't inherently crazier than other religious preachers js

[Jude]

I like how they manage to alienate other crazy rednecks (by insulting American soldiers) as well as all sane people (by homophobia)

A rare achievement

[Reductio]

The trolls are getting worse and worse each year.
This isn't the Pit, leave.

I'm not trolling.

[Iskandar]

Anyhow WBC aren't inherently crazier than other religious preachers jsThey're much crazier than most.

[Aaron]

They're just more organised than most the crazies.

[Reductio]

Saying "Jesus loves you" isn't any more or less crazy than saying "God hates fags"

[Aaron]

And neither is "God doesn't exist."

[Reductio]

You're wrong. Saying "God doesn't exist" is about as valid as saying "the Invisible Pink Unicorn doesn't exist."

In other words, it's 100% valid.

[Aaron]

I hit a nerve, did I?

Faith in an absence of God's existence is just as subjective and unprovable as a faith in God's existence.

[Jude]

Great here we go

Another thread full of pointless arguments that prove nothing except agnosticism is the way to go

[Reductio]

You're being ridiculous. It's not "faith in an absence," it's an absence of faith.

[Aaron]

No. They're different things. Athiesm is a faith in there being no God. An absence of faith is fence sitting without exploration of the concept.

[Jude]

The absence of any faith would be agnosticism

[Reductio]

God is a hypothesis. Another hypothesis might be that the entire universe is resting on the back of a giant elephant. You don't have "faith in the falseness" of that hypothesis; you have faith in its truthfulness. Not believing the hypothesis is not having faith.

@ Jude: Some agnostics are considered atheists. It depends how strictly you define atheism.

[Light Fantastic]

who cares if god exists or not the the wbc is way more respectable than 99% of christians

[Reductio]

Well yeah at least they stick to their guns.

[TheDarkHorse]

who cares if god exists or not the the wbc is way more respectable than 99% of christians

what an idiot

[Light Fantastic]

your reputation precedes you

[yogerto]

im a christian pothead an jesus toked for sure

[TheDarkHorse]

your reputation precedes you

you have the right to be a pinhead idiot and i have the right to point it out.

[Reductio]

Light Fantastic is not an idiot. He's just misunderstood. :(

[Reaganista]

They're asserting their right to free speech just like other organisations. As crazy as they are they're entitled to voice their opinion.

no they arent theyre entitled to have their heads put on sticks

[Hedgedive]

Aaron u r dumb how was his first statement trolling? it merely stated that he didn't believe in God and that he was a fag end of story go away

and BassRevelation way to be trolled by somebody not even attempting to troll gg

[bringonthebreakdown]

who cares if god exists or not the the wbc is way more respectable than 99% of christians

you're kind of ****ing stupid

[Light Fantastic]

you cant blame literally retarded people for being retarded

but you can blame sentient people for being purposely ignorant

so yeah thats average christians sorry if that hurts your feelings feel free to cry about it

[Jude]

God is a hypothesis. Another hypothesis might be that the entire universe is resting on the back of a giant elephant. You don't have "faith in the falseness" of that hypothesis; you have faith in its truthfulness. Not believing the hypothesis is not having faith.

God isn't a hypothesis by any stretch of the imagination. He's not falsifiable, for one thing.


@ Jude: Some agnostics are considered atheists. It depends how strictly you define atheism.

Well any meaningful distinction between atheists and agnostics would make atheists the ones who believe there is not a God and agnostics the ones who admit nobody knows.

Far as I'm concerned, there's enough of the universe that we have no clue about (thanks to the fact that our bodies and minds evolved to handle relevant information to survival, not to divine universal truth) that it doesn't make sense to make definite assertions about the existence or nonexistence of beings or phenomena that may or may not exist on a scale that we might call Godlike.

[Reductio]

God isn't a hypothesis by any stretch of the imagination.

Yes it is.

Well any meaningful distinction between atheists and agnostics would make atheists the ones who believe there is not a God and agnostics the ones who admit nobody knows.

Perhaps. But technically agnostics don't believe in God, so the distinction you're making is between strong atheism and weak/implied atheism. Strong atheists assert that there is no God.

[muthafunkabass]

I'm pretty sure this is fake

http://www.godhatesfags.com/written/fliers/20090101_central-high-school-philly.pdf

I mean I know the school got pretty gay in the years since I graduated but I didn't mean that LITERALLY gay and there's way gayer high schools in Philly let alone the rest of the country

Anyway discuss homos and weird inbred rednecks
wtf central high ain't that gay. if you go to the west suburbs then you're gonna see some gay.


not that it's bad

[Jude]

Yes it is.

You don't really know what a hypothesis is I see

how exactly would one test for God

[Reductio]

A hypothesis is just a proposal. It only needs to be falsifiable in the context of the scientific method.

how exactly would one test for God

By dying.

[Iskandar]

Well that's useless unless we find a way to resurrect the dead.

Oh no, I just set of a series of terrible jokes about the zombie apocalypse.

[Foehammer]

Thankfully God isn't real, otherwise I'd be in a bit of trouble.

y r u mr gay?

Those Westboro Baptist faggots..

Epic trolls.

[Jude]

wtf central high ain't that gay. if you go to the west suburbs then you're gonna see some gay.


not that it's bad

Go to CAPA you'll see a way gayer high school

The rationale is supposed to be that somebody from Central died in Iraq (WBC is always protesting soldier funerals) but that doesn't make sense because I think one person dead is no big deal compared to some...

A hypothesis is just a proposal. It only needs to be falsifiable in the context of the scientific method.
Well a meaningful hypothesis needs to be testable

[Reductio]

y r u mr gay?

"y r u mr gay" or "y, r u mr gay"

?

[Foehammer]

the latter unless both apply

[Reductio]

Well yes... I suppose I am mr gay.

And I'm going to have to say I was born that way.

[Reductio]

Well a meaningful hypothesis needs to be testable

Exactly.

[Jude]

.....so God is not a meaningful hypothesis

[Reductio]

Um, duh? That's why it's rejected.

[Iskandar]

Did you know there is a small teakettle orbiting the earth?

[yogerto]

youre rejected reductio ad asssuckems

[Reductio]

Did you know there is a small teakettle orbiting the earth?

Yeah of course.

And if you don't believe in it and pray to it every night you're going to a bad place.

youre rejected reductio ad asssuckems

lol okay

[yogerto]

jesus was an anarcho primitivist he was also black and smoked weed

[Iskandar]

Lol, anarcho-primitivism.

[Jude]

Um, duh? That's why it's rejected.

wat

The whole point is that the existence of God is not a meaningful hypothesis BECAUSE it can't be falsified

any attempts to prove or disprove that existence are futile hence it's not a meaningful hypothesis

[yogerto]

Lol, anarcho-primitivism.

lol @democracy and all forms of government

[Reductio]

wat

The whole point is that the existence of God is not a meaningful hypothesis BECAUSE it can't be falsified

any attempts to prove or disprove that existence are futile hence it's not a meaningful hypothesis

I know that. I think you're repeating yourself here.

All I'm saying is the fact that it's unscientific is part of the reason it's dumb and rejected by atheists. I don't see how that conflicts with anything you said.

[McP3000]

wow this is horribly inane lets talk about God like he's a scientific hypothesis

[Reductio]

The whole point is that he ISN'T a scientific hypothesis...

[Jude]

wow this is horribly inane lets talk about God like he's a scientific hypothesis

Did you not read the entire conversation

[Meatplow]

You're wrong. Saying "God doesn't exist" is about as valid as saying "the Invisible Pink Unicorn doesn't exist."

In other words, it's 100% valid.

not 100% valid

however, the shading might as well make it so

[McP3000]

Did you not read the entire conversation
i was making fun of the notion that this conversation existed in the first place

[Iskandar]

lol @democracy and all forms of governmentEr, what exactly is the alternative?

[Meatplow]

anarchy!

[Iskandar]

In the UK?

[ekajsk8er]

i'm pretty sure he meant everywhere.

[Iskandar]

Oh yeah, like in the Neolithic age.

[Light Fantastic]

Er, what exactly is the alternative?
free movement of people?

[Castillo]

Fred Phelps used to be a lawyer (and a very good lawyer at that; he was one of the big driving forces behind civil rights in Kansas), he has to be a smart man. He knows that what they do pisses people off, and he counts on it, and when his people do get attacked he is waiting with a lawsuit, which he usually wins, and is able to use the money he makes from it to fund his nonsense. I don't think it's even about religion with this guy, I think he just wants the money.

[ekajsk8er]

the neolithic age with modern things

sounds foolproof tbh.

[Iskandar]

free movement of people?Er, you don't need to abolish the state to have essentially free movement of people. Unless you think customs is tyranny.

[Light Fantastic]

i never said anything about abolishing the state i was giving one of a few viable alternatives to democracy

or a solution to the problems inherent in democracy at least since there could still be democratic countries involved in free movement

[Aaron]

Er, what exactly is the alternative?
Utopian Socialism.

[Iskandar]

Utopian Socialism.Lol.

Very popular in the 19th century.

[DeadReligion]

Oh yeah, like in the Neolithic age.
^ Oh, snap!

[Rocksta71]

Taoists, such as myself, accept queers as real people.

[Aaron]

Congratulations.

[Rocksta71]

Have you accepted queers?

Better yet, have you accepted Taoism as the right religion?

[Iskandar]

A white supremacist following an Asian religion. It doesn't get any better than this. I'd better make some popcorn.