PNWI's most underappreciated poster

[BassRevelation0]

So we already know the overrated posters, Der and Iskandar, and the tools, Siva and tway. But just who are those posters that we so often overlook?

I would like to nominate Dboons Ghost and Knifeboy.

[spitfirejunky]

I think I'm beginning to understand why zero and Smokey D don't post here anymore.

Too much hate.

[Iskandar]

So we already know the overrated posters, Der and IskandarHey, I thought we were buds.

Dr. Hooch is underrated.

[McP3000]

Me.

[Aaron]

Shell.

[McP3000]

Fenwood

[BassRevelation0]

I think I'm beginning to understand why zero and Smokey D don't post here anymore.

Too much hate.

How did your name slip my mind?

And its a mod's duty to moderate thats no excuse I ain't even hatin

Hey, I thought we were buds.

Dr. Hooch is underrated.

We are. You're the overrated half, though :p

I agree abut Dr. Hooch. Definitely the funniest.

[mph4ever]

theres loads of us

[pooble]

yea man, i think im definetly underrated. quality over quantity.

[mph4ever]

and its only the underrated that can truly rate the underrated

[Iskandar]

I dunno how overrated I am since I don't think a lot of people like me. I just make too many posts because I have a lot of time on my hands.

[gregulus]

Me, obviously. Rock n Roll also.

[Der Übermensch]

So we already know the overrated posters, Der and Iskandar, and the tools, Siva and tway. But just who are those posters that we so often overlook?

I would like to nominate Dboons Ghost and Knifeboy.

I know how hard it is for you to praise someone, and I appreciate the attempts you are making. I know how you really feel. :wave:

Anyways, Knifeboy is seconded by me.

[spitfirejunky]

How did your name slip my mind?

And its a mod's duty to moderate thats no excuse I ain't even hatin

Didn't mean to imply you were. These kinds of threads aren't really worth making anymore since the garbage posting from the other forums has finally leaking into this one and driven off most of the worthwhile posters.

[Shell]

Shell.
haha thanks

I don't post here often though.

[PunkItUp]

poopty doo

[Iskandar]

Didn't mean to imply you were. These kinds of threads aren't really worth making anymore since the garbage posting from the other forums has finally leaking into this one and driven off most of the worthwhile posters.You're an idiot.

Idiot.

[ILLIMINATOR]

this forum has always been garbage

[PunkItUp]

eliminator

[Foehammer]

Foehammer

I am by far the least appreciated poster on here
definitely underappreciated

[DBoons Ghost]

Don't vote anything for me (even though I thank you) as I generally contribute nothing to this forum. I don't think anyone overlooks me so much as they know to ignore me.

:)

[Surgicalgod]

I nominate BassRevelation0 for having the most underappreciated stupidity.

He has the potential to be the next zero! WHERES THE APPRECIATION PPL?

[PerpetualBurn]

I've become such a fringe poster...

[peeted]

Most of the good posters barley post any more, Mr Ron is still good but he isnt really underappreciated.

[Foehammer]

I've become such a fringe poster...

Yeah but you're jason becker.

You're the man.

[Der Übermensch]

Don't vote anything for me (even though I thank you) as I generally contribute nothing to this forum. I don't think anyone overlooks me so much as they know to ignore me.

:)

You are the old man sitting on the porch with a shotgun who is all grumpy and takes potshots at the kids running on your grass, but occasionally imparting the wisdom of the ages on us whippersnappers.

[DBoons Ghost]

You are the old man sitting on the porch with a shotgun who is all grumpy and takes potshots at the kids running on your grass, but occasionally imparting the wisdom of the ages on us whippersnappers.

Awww that's very sweet of you. Now getoff my gatdang lawn!

Sometimes I really enjoy reading these forums and the discussions that take place. The potential for the transfer of ideas between all of the members here really is amazing. I am trying to spend less time getting in between those discussions as they can be helpful to those involved for educational purposes.

I get grumpy because it seems such a waste to discuss these things that are pipe dreams. But who am I to say? You never know these days. Someone here might actually run a country someday.

[Foehammer]

Yeah, like batman runs gothom.

[DBoons Ghost]

It's Gotham you dolt. Not Gothom.

[Foehammer]

Gothom.

[DBoons Ghost]

Fail!

[Foehammer]

Gathom?

[Iskandar]

I nominate Foehammer for most content-free posts. Why even come here if you're just going to spam?

[Foehammer]

Spom?

Edit:

I vote Iskandar for the most one of the people I hate. I think he either loves playing devil's advocate, is a troll, or sincerely believes he is righteous. I hate him either way.

[Der Übermensch]

You can't hate him either way if you present three options. Either denotes a choice of only two.

Dumbass.

[Foehammer]

I couldn't read that post due to it's level of stupidity

[Super Batman]

You can't hate him either way if you present three options. Either denotes a choice of only two.

Dumbass.

You're wrong, sadly. Either can relate to more than two choices.

[Super Batman]

I couldn't read that post due to it's level of stupidity

You're not helping by being an idiot.

[Foehammer]

You're not helping by being an idiot.

GB2Gothom

[mph4ever]

i think bridge to solace is up there with the most underrated. he is the real internet nigga

or johnxdoe. take some time to read the posts and this dude would be up there on the underrated scale

[Iskandar]

Spom?

Edit:

I vote Iskandar for the most one of the people I hate. I think he either loves playing devil's advocate, is a troll, or sincerely believes he is righteous. I hate him either way.Not gonna bite, sorry.

[spitfirejunky]

You're an idiot.

Idiot.

/hugs

[Iskandar]

/hugsأحبك

[JohnXDoe]

i think bridge to solace is up there with the most underrated. he is the real internet nigga

or johnxdoe. take some time to read the posts and this dude would be up there on the underrated scale
i like bridge to solace. i try to contribute positively to this form amongst all the pinhead intellectuals and convenient ideologues (:p), but its rough sometimes. i'm not one of extended higher education or particularly well read as many here are, but my ideas and thoughts are my own and thats good enough for me, if not for some others. i try to post respectfully and with regard for the opinions of others in this forum

i don't understand the whole "people from other forums" ruining this forum attitude of some posters here. its not supposed to be a little club, its supposed to be for everyone so far as i understand forums to work. most people have their own style of posting and way of saying things and thinking i would hope. and we should be free to express those things openly and without hindrance or ridicule. or expected to post to the "quality" (lol) of some others here

there is room for everyone is how i think about most things. because that means there is room for me and you, too :)

if someone thinks otherwise they are free to keep posting here and help make the place what they think it should be

[spitfirejunky]

أحبك

:naughty:

[Bruce E Kinesis]

Dr. Hooch is underrated.

Who's that?

[YellowRoseofTexas]

Can you say, VF, anyone?

[yogerto]

this forum is full of virgin nerds u all pretty much suck

[McP3000]

look whose talking

[yogerto]

yeh u shuld shut yer mouth yer giving yerself away

[YellowRoseofTexas]

VF brought you Dinosaurs, Clothing is a Sin, A Revelation in Philosophy, among many other great works. He is by far the most underrated of all time. I admit I haven't been doing as well lately but it was mainly the drugs and the vagrant life I lead which brought me to this low state. But I am on the path to recovery and I am getting better everyday. And there is no doubt that I will be my old self again, one day.

See the beginning of my work was fueled by a youthful view on world matters, one part ignorance, two parts genius, coming together to provide a unique, maybe even flawed, perception of things. But it provided, always, for a different perspective and a mind-opening experience.

My ideas were groundbreaking and unprecedented, driven by a desire, a lust of knowledge, a yen for discovery that still, to this day, has not been quenched.

I continue asking tough questions on the pertinent issues of our time, going where no man dares to go.

I am a blessing to this community and a great asset. There is only 1 VF, and he has blessed you now with his presence. Do not take this opportunity for granted. I have a limited time here on this earth, so enjoy the time you do have to spend with me, because I could be taken out at any minute.

[Bruce E Kinesis]

taken out by one of us, quite possibly

[YellowRoseofTexas]

taken out by one of us, quite possibly

Haha. I'd like to see that. You and what army?

[Iskandar]

This why I should be a mod.

[YellowRoseofTexas]

This why I should be a mod.

This why I talk like caveman.

[Bruce E Kinesis]

Haha. I'd like to see that. You and what army?

Mr Ron.

[YellowRoseofTexas]

Mr Ron.

Mr Ron is a patsy.

[Bruce E Kinesis]

Mr Ron is a patsy.

never trust a man with more rifles than he has arms to hold them

[YellowRoseofTexas]

never trust a man with more rifles than he has arms to hold them

Oh yeah that;s a true liberal isn't it? Next thing you know you'll be telling me he's into women.

[Iskandar]

omg those dastardly libruls

[Dave de Sylvia]

Still waiting for someone to say BassRevelation0. Since I assume that's the response the thread was designed to elicit.

[TheDarkHorse]

Still waiting for someone to say BassRevelation0. Since I assume that's the response the thread was designed to elicit.
No, not really.

[muthafunkabass]

Still waiting for someone to say BassRevelation0. Since I assume that's the response the thread was designed to elicit.
I say Briteny Diva!


(since this is the response your post was designed to elicit)

[mph4ever]

I say Briteny Diva!


(since this is the response your post was designed to elicit)

don't be silly, there is nothing underappreciated about dave

[muthafunkabass]

besides that avy

[mph4ever]

its better than i want you coffeee and dunkin' donuts

[muthafunkabass]

exactly why it's underappreciated

[Surgicalgod]

Still waiting for someone to say BassRevelation0. Since I assume that's the response the thread was designed to elicit.

page 2 :)

[Iskandar]

We'd probably appreciate him a lot more if he didn't call people idiots all the time.

Idiot.

[TheDarkHorse]

I call em like I see em.

[Iskandar]

I call em like I see em.You think I'm an idiot? Or pretty much everyone else here? That's a little harsh.

[TheDarkHorse]

You think I'm an idiot? Or pretty much everyone else here? That's a little harsh.

nah man u aight.

[YellowRoseofTexas]

nah man u aight.

What do you think about me? You know since your opinion is all objective truth.

[Iskandar]

VF is ... a product of his environment.

[YellowRoseofTexas]

VF is ... a product of his environment.

I didn't ask you juvenile.

[Iskandar]

That's a mighty big word fer a Texan.

[YellowRoseofTexas]

That's a mighty big word fer a Texan.

oh that's not all

discombobulated
ejaculated
intercede
maxillofacial
insensitivity

Do you want me to keep going?

[Iskandar]

Yeah, the use of Latin-derived words really makes you sound intelligent.

[yogerto]

yeh the use of words makes u look intelligent

[YellowRoseofTexas]

Yeah, the use of Latin-derived words really makes you sound intelligent.

How about phenylketonuria? I have no idea what it is but it sounds good. Or agranulocytosis, hyperglycemia, sleep hyperhidrosis?

[Iskandar]

Nah, those are Greek.

You know what actually makes a person sound smart? Being able to use plain English effectively.

[YellowRoseofTexas]

Nah, those are Greek.

You know what actually makes a person sound smart? Being able to use plain English effectively.

Which I have sufficiently demonstrated over my four years and months of being here.

It's kind of hard arguing a wordsmith isn't it?

[yogerto]

speak english

[YellowRoseofTexas]

speak english

Pinguecula. Look it up.

[yogerto]

se grapho sou mis arhedia mou arapi go looooook it up

[Iskandar]

Which I have sufficiently demonstrated over my four years and months of being here.

It's kind of hard arguing a wordsmith isn't it?I know. I don't think you're stupid. Just misguided.

[YellowRoseofTexas]

se grapho sou mis arhedia mou arapi go looooook it up

Well see that's not English. The word I used was English. No one is going to take you seriously in this day and age speaking a dead language or speaking with an accent. If you want to get anywhere in life you will have to speak proper American English.

[yogerto]

relfs there are 11 million people who speak greek today broski its far from a dead language but it is the most difficult language in the world to learn most people dont have the intellectual capacity to even grasp how beautful and complex the language is

[YellowRoseofTexas]

I know. I don't think you're stupid. Just misguided.

:)

Tell me what is misguided about me then. I know I'm hated on this site but I have never really been given a reason why. I always thought it was that I was a conservative Christian.

I admit some of the things I say are absurd. Like about gay communists in the school districts. But that is how I see things.

[yogerto]

they hate you because youre posts are transparent its pretty obvious what youre doing here

but i dont have a problem with you

[YellowRoseofTexas]

relfs there are 11 million people who speak greek today broski its far from a dead language but it is the most difficult language in the world to learn most people dont have the intellectual capacity to even grasp how beautful and complex the language is

That wasn't Greek. And even if it was... 11 million and it's not effectively dead? Even the Mexicans can take over a whole country the size of America and make its inhabitants speak Spanish. 11 million is nothing. Like I said, it's dead.

[Aaron]

:)

Tell me what is misguided about me then. I know I'm hated on this site but I have never really been given a reason why. I always thought it was that I was a conservative Christian.

I admit some of the things I say are absurd. Like about gay communists in the school districts. But that is how I see things.
It not because you're a conservative christian, it's because you tackle issues in crazy ways. Instead of saying, for example, "I think that the media is becoming amoral and there's too much positive reinforcement of sexual promiscuity", you'd say "Fox is evil and sex should be banned on tv."

[YellowRoseofTexas]

they hate you because youre posts are transparent its pretty obvious what youre doing here

but i dont have a problem with you

If it's so obvious why didn't I know about it? Why don't you clue me in, what am I doing here?

[yogerto]

ima pothead for jesus bro im down wit it

[YellowRoseofTexas]

It not because you're a conservative christian, it's because you tackle issues in crazy ways. Instead of saying, for example, "I think that the media is becoming amoral and there's too much positive reinforcement of sexual promiscuity", you'd say "Fox is evil and sex should be banned on tv."

Well I don't think sex should be banned on tv, but I think it should be taken out of the primetime lineup. for instance, it is pretty sick when you're growing up and you want to watch a wholesome family show on ABC, (like the ones that used to come on), and now all you can find is Desperate Housewives and Grey's Anatomy.

[Aaron]

I was using it as an example for how your portray yourself as a bit batty and extremist, no offence. I feel strongly about stuff, but as it's important I take the type to post in a coherent way.

[YellowRoseofTexas]

I was using it as an example for how your portray yourself as a bit batty and extremist, no offence. I feel strongly about stuff, but as it's important I take the type to post in a coherent way.

Well I am really glad we can talk in a civil manner without one of the parties throwing insults or hate speech at the other's direction.

But anyway it is something I should work on and develop as far as the words I type and the way I present myself.

[Aaron]

No worries man.

[Iskandar]

That wasn't Greek. And even if it was... 11 million and it's not effectively dead? Even the Mexicans can take over a whole country the size of America and make its inhabitants speak Spanish. 11 million is nothing. Like I said, it's dead.11 million is more than most languages. Greek has lasted for thousands of years and had a major impact on Western civilization so it's clearly not all about numbers.
relfs there are 11 million people who speak greek today broski its far from a dead language but it is the most difficult language in the world to learn most people dont have the intellectual capacity to even grasp how beautful and complex the language isThat is true but it's not the most difficult. Fairly difficult, but then there's **** like Chinese which takes years to master.

[yogerto]

greek is hard because of the accents many words are the same except for the accent so speaking it is a challenge because if you dont get the accents right you might say something you didnt intend to say

its not really too bad tho its mostly logical and not as inconsistent as english is

[Iskandar]

Are you a native speaker?

[yogerto]

well no but ive taken lessons when i was a kid and been to Greece but ive gotten rusty as i havent spoken it much in a few years but im sure if i go back and stay for a few months i will pick it up again

[YellowRoseofTexas]

11 million is more than most languages. Greek has lasted for thousands of years and had a major impact on Western civilization so it's clearly not all about numbers.
That is true but it's not the most difficult. Fairly difficult, but then there's **** like Chinese which takes years to master.

Everyone knows English is the hardest. You've got i/eye/aye, rough/bough/cough/dough, see/c/si, won/one/on, how can one keep up with it all!!!

[Foehammer]

greek is hard because of the accents many words are the same except for the accent so speaking it is a challenge because if you dont get the accents right you might say something you didnt intend to say

its not really too bad tho its mostly logical and not as inconsistent as english is

A lot of languages have that quality

[YellowRoseofTexas]

I think the easiest language in the world is the language of the penis. As far as I know there are only three words: More, fat girl.

[TheDarkHorse]

no mames! Vives en Tejas pero no habla espanol?

am i late to the language discussion? :0

[yogerto]

A lot of languages have that quality

true but its extreme in greek and the accent is pretty unique making it difficult for people to pick it up it would be hilarious to watch a chinese guy learning to speak greek

[Iskandar]

Everyone knows English is the hardest. You've got i/eye/aye, rough/bough/cough/dough, see/c/si, won/one/on, how can one keep up with it all!!!The spelling is hard, yes but 26 letters put together in strange ways doesn't compare to 3,000 characters (the minimum you need for basic literacy in Chinese). And there are thousands more beyond that.
no mames! Vives en Tejas pero no habla espanol?

am i late to the language discussion? :0 Every American should know Spanish, especially in the Southwest. It's easy.:)

[YellowRoseofTexas]

The spelling is hard, yes but 26 letters put together in strange ways doesn't compare to 3,000 characters (the minimum you need for basic literacy in Chinese). And there are thousands more beyond that.

Uhh,, hello? It's called sarcasm.

[Aaron]

English isn't inconsistent, it's just progressive in it's development and structure.

[Futue te Ipsum]

tway isn't overrated tbh

[Iskandar]

Uhh,, hello? It's called sarcasm.You'll forgive me if sarcasm doesn't usually translate well over the Internet. And I have a tendency to take linguistics seriously.

[YellowRoseofTexas]

You'll forgive me if sarcasm doesn't usually translate well over the Internet. And I have a tendency to take linguistics seriously.

Autistic obsession.

[Iskandar]

Uh, I'm not autistic.

[siva_chair]

And I have a tendency to take linguistics seriously.

Ok, Noam. :p

[Iskandar]

Ok, Noam. :pColorless green ideas sleep furiously.

Actually I'm not all that into Chomsky. Manufacturing Consent is an important book but he gets so much criticism that I'm hesitant about reading his stuff. Though Failed States looks interesting.

[DBoons Ghost]

Have we given fenwood a shout out here?

[mph4ever]

chomsky says what he likes because they like what he says, to paraphrase a much more important person

[The Stig]

I haven't read his linguistics stuff, but the political stuff of Chomsky that I've read is pretty much bullshit.

[mph4ever]

I haven't read his linguistics stuff, but the political stuff of Chomsky that I've read is pretty much bullpoop.

pretty much full of bull, chomsky that is

[The Stig]

What about his linguistics work?

[Aaron]

Hegemony or Survival is an interesting read. You have to take his ideas on at a time, not his books as a whole.

[mph4ever]

What about his linguistics work? surely you have noticed that linguistics aint something that i rate highly but he is to be respected for his efforts there

[Iskandar]

He's had a huge impact on linguistics though some of his theories are outdated now.

[siva_chair]

Colorless green ideas sleep furiously.

Actually I'm not all that into Chomsky. Manufacturing Consent is an important book but he gets so much criticism that I'm hesitant about reading his stuff. Though Failed States looks interesting.

While his criticisms of the state are admirable (and often fairly correct), his economics are terrible and it seems like he has more of a problem with free markets than he does statist power.

[TheDarkHorse]

But siva you're a free-market fundamentalist

[Iskandar]

While his criticisms of the state are admirable (and often fairly correct), his economics are terrible and it seems like he has more of a problem with free markets than he does statist power.Well, he is a libertarian socialist. To him unrestrained markets are just as bad as authoritarian states.

[siva_chair]

But siva you're a free-market fundamentalist

And?

Well, he is a libertarian socialist. To him unrestrained markets are just as bad as authoritarian states.

Well, unfortunately he fails to see the own contradictions in his assertions and positions. He wants a stronger centralized government now, then to be abolished later. He sounds an awful lot like Marx in that respect. Get rid of capitalism and the state will follow.

Because you know, when the government is locking up a significant portion of the population waging the war on drugs, bombing and shooting people in Iraq and other countries, and will shoot or arrest you if you refuse to pay it's taxes, it’s just obvious that the real problem are those sons of bitches Bill Gates and Warren Buffet! All that nasty stuff the government is doing is their fault anyway, and once capitalism is abolished the state will wither away. I mean, that's what happened in all those communist countries, right?

[Iskandar]

Uh, okay.

[K oko]

siva that was either the most brilliant sarcasm or the most batshit crazy thing ive ever read

[Iskandar]

Er, since when is fundamentalism of any kind okay?

[siva_chair]

siva that was either the most brilliant sarcasm or the most batpoop crazy thing ive ever read

Thank you.

Er, since when is fundamentalism of any kind okay?

Umm when the fundamentals are correct?

[K oko]

eh since when has liberalism of any kind been ok since when has conversatism of any kind been ok

sorry i dun pick an choose my ideologies at the bargain bin at walmart i gotta pass on this

[siva_chair]

eh since when has liberalism of any kind been ok since when has conversatism of any kind been ok

sorry i dun pick an choose my ideologies at the bargain bin at walmart i gotta pass on this

Is that some sort of ideology of shoes?

[TheDarkHorse]

funny, jackass

[StreetlightRock]

ohsi. The DarkHorse is angry on the internets

[siva_chair]

Well, we can't all come up with such clever and pithy insults like you.

@ DarkHorse

[Iskandar]

Umm when the fundamentals are correct?I'm sure lots of religious fundamentalists believe theirs are, too.

[TheDarkHorse]

Well, we can't all come up with such clever and pithy insults like you.

@ DarkHorse
shut up, Idiot

How's that for an insult? :p

[The Stig]

Terrible

[siva_chair]

I'm sure lots of religious fundamentalists believe theirs are, too.

Of course they do. So what?

shut up, Idiot

How's that for an insult? :p

I can't even begin to comprehend the vast amount of intelligence it must have taken for you to formulate it.

[TheDarkHorse]

Of course they do. So what?
This guy's funny



I can't even begin to comprehend the vast amount of intelligence it must have taken for you to formulate it.
yeh man ur not smart enuff

[Iskandar]

Of course they do. So what?So don't be so sure your ideas are the only correct ones. Always question your beliefs. That is all.

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

hey guys

[siva_chair]

So don't be so sure your ideas are the only correct ones. Always question your beliefs. That is all.

And what makes you think I do not question my beliefs? Just because I debate them on here, doesn't mean I do not constantly critique and question them.

[Iskandar]

Because they're rigid and don't seem to have room for compromise.

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

hey guys
hellllooooooo

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

And what makes you think I do not question my beliefs? Just because I debate them on here, doesn't mean I do not constantly critique and question them.
you shouldnt have beliefs, thats just makes you look bad to everyone else why dont you quit believin shi and arguing it out on the net, its not karmic

[siva_chair]

Because they're rigid and don't seem to have room for compromise.

Just because I don't buy into socialism of any kind, does not mean that my beliefs are rigid.

Why should I compromise with bad ideas?

[Iskandar]

Politics is compromise.

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

hellllooooooo
...

[siva_chair]

Politics is compromise.

“Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice.”

There is nothing virtuous about compromising ethics.

[Knifeboy]

apparently siva_chairs convictions are all based on quotes

[Iskandar]

“Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice.”

There is nothing virtuous about compromising ethics."Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one."

I like Paine too. Who knew, eh?

[siva_chair]

apparently siva_chairs convictions are all based on quotes

Nope, I just could not have said it better.

"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one."

I like Paine too. Who knew, eh?

Yeah, especially since he was considered an extremist or a radical during his time. :smoke:

"The instant formal government is abolished, society begins to act. A general association takes place, and common interest produces common security."

[Dave de Sylvia]

"**** tha police."

[Iskandar]

Being radical isn't quite the same as being extremist.

And that's a stupid quote 'cause that isn't what happens when government is abolished.

[siva_chair]

"**** tha police."

Comin straight from the underground.

Being radical isn't quite the same as being extremist.

No it's pretty much synonomous in this sense.

And that's a stupid quote 'cause that isn't what happens when government is abolished.

Actually that is what happens, but ok. Our friend Thomas Paine is the one that said it.

[Iskandar]

I'm assuming he meant it rhetorically 'cause that's not what actually happens in any version of reality unless you would care to enlighten me with some examples?

Oh and:

A young nigga got it bad 'cause I'm brown.

[siva_chair]

I'm assuming he meant it rhetorically 'cause that's not what actually happens in any version of reality unless you would care to enlighten me with some examples?

Oh and:

A young nigga got it bad 'cause I'm brown.

Actually that is precisely what happens. When government is nowhere to be found, people create voluntary associations for protection, because it is to their benefit.

It isn't uncommon in neighborhoods that are neglected by the cops for people to form their own forms of protection.

And not the other color so police think they have the authority to kill a minority.

[Iskandar]

Oh yeah, they develop structures of authority that resemble those of the state.

Then they become the state.

I don't remember the rest of the song except "an Uzi or an AK/a nigga like Ren don't give a **** to say."

[siva_chair]

Oh yeah, they develop structures of authority that resemble those of the state.

Then they become the state.

Except they don't coercively tax (well, not always anyhow). The primary difference between the state and such entities are that one doesn't have a coercive monopoly on force and is voluntary.

I don't remember the rest of the song except "an Uzi or an AK/a nigga like Ren don't give a **** to say."

****in with me cuz I'm a teenager with a little bit of gold and a pager.

[Iskandar]

Except they don't coercively tax (well, not always anyhow). The primary difference between the state and such entities are that one doesn't have a coercive monopoly on force and is voluntary.One entity will rise to the top and gain the monopoly on the use of force. That is how the state began, after all.

Besides which there are much worse kinds of coercion than taxation.

[siva_chair]

One entity will rise to the top and gain the monopoly on the use of force. That is how the state began, after all.

Only if it coercively bars any competition or is given monopoly status by a government.

Besides which there are much worse kinds of coercion than taxation.

And the government deals in all kinds of coercion.

[Futue te Ipsum]

http://people.oii.ox.ac.uk/escher/2007/11/17/the-social-brain-hypothesis-or-150-meaningful-relationships-are-enough/#comments

sup

to the people who can actually get their head around this idea and understand its implications to politics grats though i'm not holding my breath

[Iskandar]

Only if it coercively bars any competition or is given monopoly status by a government.

And the government deals in all kinds of coercion.I don't think you see what I meant, which is that private organizations will seek to maximize their own power at the expense of others. This leads to conflict and eventually the establishment of a monopoly on the use force - that is, a state. The government is hardly the only entity capable of coercion.

[siva_chair]

I don't think you see what I meant, which is that private organizations will seek to maximize their own power at the expense of others. This leads to conflict and eventually the establishment of a monopoly on the use force - that is, a state. The government is hardly the only entity capable of coercion.

No, I know what you mean. I'm rejecting that an monopoly will inevitibly arise. As in economics, monopolies do not tend to arise in the free market. That is, the market that does not prohibit competition from arising. If a protection agency were to start abusing it's power in a free market society, competition would inevitably rise to meet it. Obviously, in a free market society, a monopoly could only exist by consent of it's consumers.

No one said the government is the only entity capable of coercion, but has historically been the number one perpetrator of it.

[siva_chair]

http://people.oii.ox.ac.uk/escher/2007/11/17/the-social-brain-hypothesis-or-150-meaningful-relationships-are-enough/#comments

sup

to the people who can actually get their head around this idea and understand its implications to politics grats though i'm not holding my breath

Interesting stuff. I remember reading something about this before, but I cannot recall where or when.

[Iskandar]

Bad governments have been.

Actually, when you think about it, for most of history we've had monarchies, which tend to be pretty damned coercive, and they are run by an individual.

But in any case government isn't economics and the same axioms don't necessarily apply. When businesses compete for market share, they generally play fair with some exceptions. When non-state entites compete for territory, they use violence.

[Futue te Ipsum]

Interesting stuff. I remember reading something about this before, but I cannot recall where or when.care to guess at what the implications of it would be?

it's a pretty famous hypothesis, and central to many things in evolutionary psychology, so you could've read about it anywhere

oddly it came up in a module about hospital structure, the allocation of resources and why we need those bastard beurocrats. i can link much better articles if you have access to online journals

[siva_chair]

Bad governments have been.

Actually, when you think about it, for most of history we've had monarchies, which tend to be pretty damned coercive, and they are run by an individual.

But in any case government isn't economics and the same axioms don't necessarily apply. When businesses compete for market share, they generally play fair with some exceptions. When non-state entites compete for territory, they use violence.

All governments have done this. It is in the nature of the state to use it's coercive monopoly.

And protection and defense are services that are subject to the same things any other service is in an economy.


care to guess at what the implications of it would be?

it's a pretty famous hypothesis, and central to many things in evolutionary psychology, so you could've read about it anywhere

oddly it came up in a module about hospital structure, the allocation of resources and why we need those bastard beurocrats. i can link much better articles if you have access to online journals

Well, considering it is about human social behavior and complexity, I can see lots of areas it could be relevant in.

[PunkItUp]

i like that Iscariot fellow

[TheDarkHorse]

Just because I don't buy into socialism of any kind, does not mean that my beliefs are rigid.

Why should I compromise with bad ideas?

what an idiot you think your view is flawless and perfect what an idiot

[The Stig]

The correct view is flawless.

[Futue te Ipsum]

the beauty is in the imperfection, bruv

[Iskandar]

The correct view is flawless.Why are you assuming that only one view is ever correct? Why also assume it's flawless? That's stupid because economics is far too complex for one theory, no matter how accurate, to understand the whole picture.

Narrow dogmatism doesn't help anyone.

[The Stig]

Nah if it's correct, by definition, it's correct.

[Iskandar]

That doesn't answer my questions.

[interviewer02]

Interviewer/surveyer

bam, 1,000 posts, on my alt account. Hey, I guess I really am a loser.

[McP3000]

yeah

[Foehammer]

I actually rather enjoy THE_KING's posts.

[Sk0rpi0n]

I vote Bridge to Solace. Awesome poster -- always on point, always friendly etc. etc.