abortion shmashmoshin

[Foehammer]

would be more important if abortions were covered under health insurance (just a point i dont think i want to turn this into an abortion thread)

Abortion:

It should be enforced in some cases. With legal consequences.

If it is predetermined that your baby will have a handicap, either mentally or physically, your baby will be aborted and used for stem cell research.

No more retards, and scientific advancements.

tl;dr: UR RETARD FOR MR SCIENCE

EDIT:

Also, if you have to choose the baby or the woman
THE WOMAN WILL BE CHOSEN.
No excuses.

[Super Batman]

Abortion:

Not only should it be a woman's choice, it should be enforced in some cases. With legal consequences.

If it is predetermined that your baby will have a handicap, either mentally or physically, your baby will be aborted and used for stem cell research.

No more retards, and scientific advancements.

tl;dr: UR RETARD FOR MR SCIENCE


This would be a marvelous utopia. Finally, we can become productive and split some of the poor away from us. I'd love to enforce the idea that if pregnant and poor, if you cannot afford a hospital payment for birth(And you wish to still use it), your fetus is harvested for stem cell research as well.

Less retards would make my all around day easier. Not having to walk around and see these failed genetics--Definitely a pleasing sight.
So, how can we get this started?

[lfantwister]

devils advocate:

abortion=infanticide

since there is no true scientific way to determine when a fetus actually is "alive" it makes the most sense to use the definition of when it's conceived. What other benchmark can you use?

[Super Batman]

It doesn't matter if it is alive or not. It has no value. I do not give it value for simply being 'alive'.

I'm sure it also deserves a 'right for food'.

[pilumneer]

lol you guys are morons, clearly you should have been aborted for your retardation.

Because you know, people with mental handicaps have NEVER done ANYTHING for society, they're completely worthless.

:lol:

[Reductio]

How does a physical handicap make someone a retard?

[lfantwister]

It doesn't matter if it is alive or not. It has no value. I do not give it value for simply being 'alive'.

I'm sure it also deserves a 'right for food'.

i mean, if you're killing a baby that's alive, thats infanticide

if you think infanticide is morally right, thats a toally different argument

[Super Batman]

lol you guys are morons, clearly you should have been aborted for your retardation.

Because you know, people with mental handicaps have NEVER done ANYTHING for society, they're completely worthless.

:lol:



I don't understand why you made this worthless post with nothing but an insult. Is that really how lowly you value discussion?
This is depressing. To see someone so at a loss of intelligence that they're forced to LOLOLOLOLOL.

Enjoy going to another thread and ruining it--I'm guinely interested in this one. Many thanks.

[curseworship]

lol you guys are morons, clearly you should have been aborted for your retardation.

Because you know, people with mental handicaps have NEVER done ANYTHING for society, they're completely worthless.

:lol:

nothing I can remember. They are a happy lot though.

[lfantwister]

It doesn't matter if it is alive or not. It has no value. I do not give it value for simply being 'alive'.

I'm sure it also deserves a 'right for food'.

i mean, if you're killing a baby that's alive, thats infanticide

if you think infanticide is morally right, thats a toally different argument

[pilumneer]

You guys are pretty much on par with Hitler as far as I'm concerned.

On an ideology/beliefs standpoint, anyway.

[Super Batman]

i mean, if you're killing a baby that's alive, thats infanticide

if you think infanticide is morally right, thats a toally different argument

I'm fine with that, personally.

The life is parasitical to the mother's. She has the right to end it, and should be forced to 'end it' if it will be a burden to society.

No retards, no poor children, no direct physical handicaps.

[Foehammer]

You guys are pretty much on par with Hitler as far as I'm concerned.

On an ideology/beliefs standpoint, anyway.

Hitler is considered one of the greater minds in history.

What is your point?

[Foehammer]

Edit on original post.

[Super Batman]

You guys are pretty much on par with Hitler as far as I'm concerned.

On an ideology/beliefs standpoint, anyway.

I disagree with killing all the Jews. I'm not a Christian. I don't want to invade all countries. I don't view my race superior. I don't see a problem with other races. I don't have a tiny mustache. I don't salute false idols. I'm not interested in joining politics.

You're pretty much on par with an idiot pulling things out of their ***.
On an intelligent standpoint, anyway.

[pilumneer]

My point is that Hitler sure did think Jews were a problem so he decided to kill them, you're no better.

Basically you're telling me that you think people like Stephen Hawkings, Walt Disney and Hellen Keller should have been killed before birth because they had disabilities, despite the fact they did great things for society and were all a hell of a lot smarter than you.

[Foehammer]

I don't view my race superior.
Then you must be inferior, meaning not white. All whites should feel superior -- we are.

[lfantwister]

I'm fine with that, personally.

The life is parasitical to the mother's. She has the right to end it, and should be forced to 'end it' if it will be a burden to society. don't put end it in quotes if youre acknowledging its alive

what if it can be adopted?

all babies are burdens to their mothers; they have to change their whole routine, lifestyle to cope. But there are two reasons they should keep it: 1. their responsiblity (excepts for rape, incest), or 2. its not a parasite, its a child

No retards, no poor children, no direct physical handicaps.
i'm going to go ahead and say that in terms of poor people there are a lot more religious ones than rich ppl, which means they probably wont get abortions, which means that there are still going to be a lot of poor babies

[Super Batman]

My point is that Hitler sure did think Jews were a problem so he decided to kill them, you're no better.

Basically you're telling me that you think people like Stephen Hawkings, Walt Disney and Hellen Keller should have been killed before birth because they had disabilities, despite the fact they did great things for society and were all a hell of a lot smarter than you.


You're bringing up potential. I've heard this ridiculous argument before. "Every baby could be an Einstein". Yes, everyone one can ALSO be a rapist/murderer. Your point?
Potential doesn't justify creation.
Women have the POTENTIAL to become pregnant every time they create an egg. Most women ignore the egg and let it die/become destroyed. Are these women wrong for eliminating a potential child?

[Foehammer]

It is an act of murder, i say YES
IT HAS POTENTIAL
THEY ARE MURDERERS

[lfantwister]

Women have the POTENTIAL to become pregnant every time they create an egg. Most women ignore the egg and let it die/become destroyed. Are these women wrong for eliminating a potential child?

no cause its not alive, same as when you jack off you're not killing anything

when it becomes alive, though, is when its conceived and then it's actually murder

[Super Batman]

don't put end it in quotes if youre acknowledging its alive

what if it can be adopted?

all babies are burdens to their mothers; they have to change their whole routine, lifestyle to cope. But there are two reasons they should keep it: 1. their responsiblity (excepts for rape, incest), or 2. its not a parasite, its a child


i'm going to go ahead and say that in terms of poor people there are a lot more religious ones than rich ppl, which means they probably wont get abortions, which means that there are still going to be a lot of poor babies
"don't put end it in quotes if youre acknowledging its alive"

I purposely put quotes around it, as I was not acknowledging it was alive. I'm unsure when life begins, and I don't personally care that much.

"what if it can be adopted?

all babies are burdens to their mothers; they have to change their whole routine, lifestyle to cope. But there are two reasons they should keep it: 1. their responsiblity (excepts for rape, incest), or 2. its not a parasite, its a child"

Why is that a responsibility? I don't understand why they should be forced to raise it, especially if they don't want to. And yes, it's a parasite. It is directly physically living off of something else. You're taking it as a directly negative connotation, I see, and it's cute. Semantics are a wonderful thing.

This is why we FORCE the poor people to have abortions, or deter them away from hospitals. Make them directly pay for their entrance to give birth in the hospital, or turn them away. Most will die during birth/hurt the baby/whatever. But it will decrease.

[Super Batman]

no cause its not alive, same as when you jack off you're not killing anything

when it becomes alive, though, is when its conceived and then it's actually murder

It has potential. Potential is what he was talking about, so I talked about potential as well. Don't stray too far from the argument, friend.

When you jack off, tons of sperm die. They do die. They were active, biologically, and then they shut down in defeat.
Does it matter? No.
Ending a life isn't that big of a deal. It never has been. It's a very modern idea that all life is valuable.

[Foehammer]

Wow i went to go take a **** and come back to see batman arguing all of my points.
Hm, thonks.

[lfantwister]

I purposely put quotes around it, as I was not acknowledging it was alive. I'm unsure when life begins, and I don't personally care that much.

used to think that definition of "alive" was central to the abortion debate; now i see that it's eugenics

Why is that a responsibility? I don't understand why they should be forced to raise it, especially if they don't want to. And yes, it's a parasite. It is directly physically living off of something else. You're taking it as a directly negative connotation, I see, and it's cute. Semantics are a wonderful thing. its a responsibility because the mother was irresponsible about her sexual endeavors and needs to take responsibility for her (in)actions.

i understand that the baby lives off of the mother but dnt see how that translates into an argument. It's not like the mother is bedridden by this parasite for 9 months...

This is why we FORCE the poor people to have abortions, or deter them away from hospitals. Make them directly pay for their entrance to give birth in the hospital, or turn them away. Most will die during birth/hurt the baby/whatever. But it will decrease.
this is sick. not in the good way.

[lfantwister]

It has potential. Potential is what he was talking about, so I talked about potential as well. Don't stray too far from the argument, friend. sorry i took it the other way, i dont care about potential i care about life

When you jack off, tons of sperm die. They do die. They were active, biologically, and then they shut down in defeat.
Does it matter? No. haha maybe when you jack off

[Foehammer]

this is sick. not in the good way.

I'm sorry, please allow your morals to get in the way of survival of the fittest and evolution.

[lfantwister]

humans have overcome basic darwinism and thats why we have moral codes

plus, poor people are sometimes not always really unfit, especially if theyre young which if theyre gettinga bortions they probably are

[Super Batman]

used to think that definition of "alive" was central to the abortion debate; now i see that it's eugenics

its a responsibility because the mother was irresponsible about her sexual endeavors and needs to take responsibility for her (in)actions.

i understand that the baby lives off of the mother but dnt see how that translates into an argument. It's not like the mother is bedridden by this parasite for 9 months...


this is sick. not in the good way.

She was irresponsible about her endeavors, and now needs to live with it?
Why does she have to, if she can relieve herself easily?
If you get wounded, ignore the fact that there are hospitals, live with the wound/disease because you were irresponsible and got hurt. In fact, let everyone live with every consequence ever, despite technology allowing us to fix it.

It just seems silly to me. Even if she was irresponsible, she will now be RESPONSIBLE and fix it. Get rid of the parasite/fetus and she's learned her lesson--And in fact, she's benefitted society. She gave the fetus to stem cell research. Thanks, random female number four.

I don't see where you're coming from.
If I'm missing the point, I apologize, and beg you to elaborate.

[Super Batman]

humans have overcome basic darwinism and thats why we have moral codes

plus, poor people are sometimes not always really unfit, especially if theyre young which if theyre gettinga bortions they probably are

Morals change according to the current situation, allowing us to survive. This is why people say it's 'morally okay' to kill in self defense. This is why morals rule group codes, it improves the survival of each of them. I don't see how this at all benefits your argument for saving the child.

By the way, thanks for playing devil's advocate, honestly. It's required. Without it, nobody would ever improve on their arguments, and discussion is the only way to help sharpen both sides.
:chug:

[Foehammer]

humans have overcome basic darwinism and thats why we have moral codes

So you're against our species going further?

plus, poor people are sometimes not always really unfit, especially if theyre young which if theyre gettinga bortions they probably are

Exceptions, exceptions, exceptions.

No one goes with majority anymore

[Super Batman]

Exceptions. :P
I'm heading to the gym, don't expect me to argue fanatically for a bit.
Thanks again for the discussion. It's appreciated.

[Reaganista]

ideally all reproduction should be controlled by the government

[lfantwister]

She was irresponsible about her endeavors, and now needs to live with it?
Why does she have to, if she can relieve herself easily?
If you get wounded, ignore the fact that there are hospitals, live with the wound/disease because you were irresponsible and got hurt. In fact, let everyone live with every consequence ever, despite technology allowing us to fix it. right, but in this case her irresponsiblity (and the man's too, but thats another issue) created a new living being, and her "relieving" herself would entail murder of another living human being. v unlike the i got hurt because i was irresponsible and walked into a pole, because that affects no one but yourself

It just seems silly to me. Even if she was irresponsible, she will now be RESPONSIBLE and fix it. Get rid of the parasite/fetus and she's learned her lesson--And in fact, she's benefitted society. She gave the fetus to stem cell research. Thanks, random female number four. while ending a human life. i can see you dont care too much about life so my arguments will probably be wasted but thats how most people are convinced

So you're against our species going further? we're already at the top of the food chain etc. in biological terms, where will we go, further? only our morals can take us further.

Morals change according to the current situation, allowing us to survive. This is why people say it's 'morally okay' to kill in self defense. This is why morals rule group codes, it improves the survival of each of them. I don't see how this at all benefits your argument for saving the child. in terms of evolution, we've created moral codes that say don't kill, generally, because we want to populate the planet. In self defense, it is an even exchange of lives, and therefore acceptable. If both could live, though, it would be both morally and evolutionarilly preferable

so in terms of abortion, our morals ought to show us that we should not kill; that we should populate the planet in terms of evolution

these morals wont change according to the situation because its not like the mom has to die in order for the baby to live.

By the way, thanks for playing devil's advocate, honestly. It's required. Without it, nobody would ever improve on their arguments, and discussion is the only way to help sharpen both sides.
it's wicked fun

[Super Batman]

Population doesn't benefit us right now, ergo morals change.

I don't have an issue with murder.

I don't care if the fetus is alive or not.

Moral codes are not centered around not killing at all. That's almost silly. Read some of that largely prevalent book, the bible.(Now we just need to wait for this to turn into a christian bashing thread )

[McP3000]

i hate every poster in this thread

except tway :-*

[Foehammer]

CONTRIBUTE TO THE THREAD?
No, dont
nevermind
It wont be a valuable post anyway

[McP3000]

like any of yours are

not to mention your fascist legality of abortion is abominable. Abortion should be a choice in all situations, not compulsory.

[Already_Taken]

yeah i hate babies i wouldnt care if we didnt have a generation z

[Super Batman]

It should be compulsory in certain situations. They are judged unfit for society.

It reeks of that 'sharing wealth' idea. Poor people living off of the working people's taxes, handicapped people doing the same, etc.

Now that is abominable.

[Foehammer]

It's something you should expect from someone who listens to Jimi Hendrix

[Already_Taken]

yeah in the song red house he talks about how he left his baby at his house without seeing it for 99 1/2 days

so yeah pretty much

[Foehammer]

if i read ur post im mr gay

[Already_Taken]

owned

[Super Batman]

What if you read your own post?

[Already_Taken]

i'm gay?, super batman

[Det_Nosnip]

Abortion:

It should be enforced in some cases. With legal consequences.

If it is predetermined that your baby will have a handicap, either mentally or physically, your baby will be aborted and used for stem cell research.

No more retards, and scientific advancements.

tl;dr: UR RETARD FOR MR SCIENCE

EDIT:

Also, if you have to choose the baby or the woman
THE WOMAN WILL BE CHOSEN.
No excuses.

You're insane.

[Super Batman]

Why is that insane? I agree, on most of the accounts, at least.

[FIGHTCRIMEALLTHETIME]

foe hammer and super batman how have either of you proven your worth to society in a way that a handicapped person couldnt
if yall dont agree with considering someones potential to benefit society then you cant consider any possibilities in your own future as a contribution

[Aaron]

You're making the assumption that it's bad for society to have people of differing situations [ie poor, or those who are impaired] within society, and that the moral associated with it is counter productive to survival and growth of society. Which is not correct.

I work with many people who you'd deem "retarded" and they're very productive workers. Just because someone is impaired in one part of their functionality doesn't mean they can't work, or do other important tasks in life, it just means they select the right job that suits them, which any economist will point out everyone in society does anyway.

You also make the assumption it's bad for there to be a poor-class within society, but fail to grasp that history has shown that innovation and development comes out of these situations. There's an immense list of "rags to riches" stories which justify my standpoint.

[Angmar]

Guys isn't it obvious that Batman and Foehammer don't actually interact with other people very often or look outside their shell. I mean all they do is complain about people in worse situations then them and how TERRIBLE it makes their life, not ever taking into account what it might be like to be in their shoes, but you know obviously seeing some mentally disabled person is going to ruin their day so we should just kill them before birth.

They're just a couple of dimwits who don't really have any idea how the world works or have any concept of human behavior or emotions, and if they want to live in their shallow little world just let them.

[Reaganista]

even if retards had the best lives out of anyone i'd still be pro forced abortions i don't care about their quality of life

[Aaron]

Hey, it ain't easy being rich and white. Don't be so harsh.

[Angmar]

No Aaron you have no idea how hard it is to walk down the street and see some guy with autism walking around it's absolutely HORRIBLE! :(

[Aaron]

I'm sorry. :(

[Angmar]

In all honesty there are autistic kids in my school who are in more advanced classes than me and excell better in a lot of subjects. It's just that they have impaired social skills, anyone who fails to recognize this is a shallow minded idiot.

[Reaganista]

ideally both of you would've been aborted

[Angmar]

Dammit :upset:

[Aaron]

Why tway? My skin is white, and white is right isn't it? Foehammer; confirm or deny.

[Reaganista]

no only genetically engineered superhumans will be allowed to be born

[Angmar]

Foehammer are you an internet tough guy because your points are pretty brutal and I'm very impressed!

[Aaron]

In all honesty there are autistic kids in my school who are in more advanced classes than me and excell better in a lot of subjects. It's just that they have impaired social skills, anyone who fails to recognize this is a shallow minded idiot.
Exactly. Sometimes I wish I didn't have to developmental skills to recognise how terrible some of the posters on here are, but then I realise how lucky I have it.

[Reaganista]

just to be clear u will never be in a position 2 judge me regardless of wat u may think at any given time

[Aaron]

I realise that. Right back at you baby.

[Reaganista]

no i can judge u

??

y would u imply that i cant

[Aaron]

Conflict of interest, us being lovers and all.

[McP3000]

Foehammer are you an internet tough guy because your points are pretty brutal and I'm very impressed!
i thought you loved BROOTALITY

[Illmatic]

confused young men telling women what to do with their bodies

i love it

[Chu]

foe hammer and super batman how have either of you proven your worth to society in a way that a handicapped person couldnt
if yall dont agree with considering someones potential to benefit society then you cant consider any possibilities in your own future as a contribution
Awesome post, summed up this thread quite easily in the first sentence imo.

[Angmar]

i thought you loved BROOTALITY

Well ya that's why I'm so impressed!

[Super Batman]

foe hammer and super batman how have either of you proven your worth to society in a way that a handicapped person couldnt
if yall dont agree with considering someones potential to benefit society then you cant consider any possibilities in your own future as a contribution

I'll cover why I consider myself valuable.
I work for the state.
I was in the military.
I continue to donate a piece of my salary to military institutions.
I can speak clearly.
I write decently.
My body is not mangled nor handicapped.
I am superior to retards.

Now, you mis-understood the argument of potential. I simply think that 'potential' doesn't justify protection. Many people tell me children deserve to be born, each could be an Einstein, etc. That's silly. That radical idea could be taken to the extreme opposite--Each child has the chance to be a robber/whatever is negative currently.

I'll continue to answer these as much as I can, and please, feel free to ask questions. These are just my opinions, after all.

Cheers.

[Super Batman]

You're making the assumption that it's bad for society to have people of differing situations [ie poor, or those who are impaired] within society, and that the moral associated with it is counter productive to survival and growth of society. Which is not correct.

I work with many people who you'd deem "retarded" and they're very productive workers. Just because someone is impaired in one part of their functionality doesn't mean they can't work, or do other important tasks in life, it just means they select the right job that suits them, which any economist will point out everyone in society does anyway.

You also make the assumption it's bad for there to be a poor-class within society, but fail to grasp that history has shown that innovation and development comes out of these situations. There's an immense list of "rags to riches" stories which justify my standpoint.

Sure, maybe they can work. Sure, people in wheelchairs can work IF YOU SUPPLY THEM WITH A RAMP. I just think, with the current population growth, we can eliminate that need. If it was decided not to take it that far, I at least would love to eliminate all government assistance to such people. No more ramps, no more compromises so that mentally/physically handicapped people can work in the work-place. Get normal or above average people, they are in surplus.

I'm fine with the poor. I am. I'm not at a disagreement with the class, in fact, I'm poor. I make a below average wage.
I suppose I didn't specify enough, and I apologize for that. I wanted to say....Homeless? Poor people who rely on government/others funding? People who cannot live on their own. Does that clear that up?

Good for you for working with retards, it shows that your job has low standards, though. I would rather have more efficient coworkers.

I promise I'm not trying to troll, and I'll continue to try and explain.
And thank you, personally, for writing this nicely--It's a decent change to having to read things written like 'WELL UR INSNAE'.

Pleasure.

[Super Batman]

In all honesty there are autistic kids in my school who are in more advanced classes than me and excell better in a lot of subjects. It's just that they have impaired social skills, anyone who fails to recognize this is a shallow minded idiot.

You make a good point here. SOME autistic people can live in society comfortably. Some can't. Either way, I say we eliminate that chance and abort the fetus before it becomes a burden. The parents can try again, and hopefully their genetics will work with more survival instincts this time.

Thank you for the insult, at least.
:thumb:

[Super Batman]

Now, if you wanted to be able to yell at me/discuss/question/or hear some of my other views close to this subject:

All retards are aborted before birth.
We discriminate people according to their genetics.(If it is likely you'll have a disease in the future, insurance agencies can refuse you. If you are genetically inferior, it is YOUR fault. There is nobody else to blame. Handicapped/fat/thyroid issue/baldness/whatever. It's your fault.) I'm not saying we need to kill them, at all. I'm just not fond of the idea that people get pity/help for being....well...inferior. Their parents should have chosen a more effective mate, one that would help improve their genes further.

Any questions?

[Shell]

This would be a marvelous utopia. Finally, we can become productive and split some of the poor away from us. I'd love to enforce the idea that if pregnant and poor, if you cannot afford a hospital payment for birth(And you wish to still use it), your fetus is harvested for stem cell research as well.

Less retards would make my all around day easier. Not having to walk around and see these failed genetics--Definitely a pleasing sight.
So, how can we get this started?
Where do you live that you run into multiple retarded people on a daily basis?

[Super Batman]

Where do you live that you run into multiple retarded people on a daily basis?

A city.

[siva_chair]

He must live at Walmart.

[Super Batman]

He must live at Walmart.

And I'm sure you live in a wonderfully successful society with no government, living fruitfully off the land and assisting eachother as needed with no cost.

Yes?

[siva_chair]

And I'm sure you live in a wonderfully successful society with no government, living fruitfully off the land and assisting eachother as needed with no cost.

Yes?

No I wish though. The damn state keeps getting in the way.

[Shell]

I was thinking maybe you live in a retard community and just didn't realize that you are one of them!

And I'm sure you live in a wonderfully successful society with no government, living fruitfully off the land and assisting eachother as needed with no cost.

Yes?

The closest thing to this might be the Amish/Mennonite communities that are pretty much self-sufficient.

And I'm pretty sure they don't throw their retarded babies out to the coyotes.

[Super Batman]

Sparta?

[Shell]

Also what if a very rich person had a retarded kid? They wouldn't be a burden to anyone.

[siva_chair]

Sarah Palin'd

[Super Batman]

Hah. Siva, you made me laugh.
Honestly, first time I've laughed today, and it helped me feel a bit more light on this thread. And very very Palin'd.


"Also what if a very rich person had a retarded kid? They wouldn't be a burden to anyone."

As I said, make sure the person receives no assistance with the retard. No government help, pays for full entrance to the hospital upon birth, etc.

Then, sure.

[Shell]

They shouldn't have to pay any more for hospitalization than any other birth.

[Foehammer]

I'll cover why I consider myself valuable.
I work for the state.
I am in the reserve.
I can speak clearly.
I write decently.
My body is not mangled nor handicapped.
I am white.
I am the best.


Edited to fit me.




They shouldn't have to pay any more for hospitalization than any other birth.

It's not that i want them to pay any extra for hospitalization;
I just want them to have to pay more tax

In fact, if they are born they should have to pay a tax.
A tax for being worthless and taking up space.
At least then they would be benefiting society.

Think about it, what would your "retard communities" do for society?
Unless they are paying extra taxes, then they aren't doing anything.

[Angmar]

Dude you're so brutal please teach me to be cool like you. :thumb:

[Super Batman]

What do you mean by brutal? Am I missing something?

[Angmar]

You make a good point here. SOME autistic people can live in society comfortably. Some can't. Either way, I say we eliminate that chance and abort the fetus before it becomes a burden. The parents can try again, and hopefully their genetics will work with more survival instincts this time.

You make no good point, some white people grow up to be murderers rapists and crooks but that doesn't mean we should abort them JUST IN CASE they aren't fit for your perfect society. You act as if though some how these "worthless retards" are a burden on your life despite the fact you obviously have never had one close in the family or ever attempted to be friends with someone 'disabled'. My best friend has OCD, another one of my best friends has schizophrenia, another has aspergers, and I have a cousin with downsyndrone, they're all worthwhile people who are smart and will contribute to society someday. You wouldn't know because you're a shallow minded idiot.


All retards are aborted before birth.
We discriminate people according to their genetics.(If it is likely you'll have a disease in the future, insurance agencies can refuse you. If you are genetically inferior, it is YOUR fault. There is nobody else to blame. Handicapped/fat/thyroid issue/baldness/whatever. It's your fault.) I'm not saying we need to kill them, at all. I'm just not fond of the idea that people get pity/help for being....well...inferior. Their parents should have chosen a more effective mate, one that would help improve their genes further.

LOL these parts really made me laugh. It is essentially random if someone is born with a disorder such as this, sometimes it is genetics, sometimes not. It's not like they make a choice in the womb to have autism or anything like that, it is NOT their fault. You may be the most ignorant person I've ever seen. As far as receiving extra help goes, why shouldn't they, you've never had to deal with this kind of problem before, how would you like it if you had some disorder that made it hard for you to work and you could not support yourself, I'm sure you would deny all government help and just go live on the streets, right? :rolleyes:

[interviewer02]

You forgot an "r" in shmashmo"r"shin

[Illmatic]

Now, if you wanted to be able to yell at me/discuss/question/or hear some of my other views close to this subject:

All retards are aborted before birth.
We discriminate people according to their genetics.(If it is likely you'll have a disease in the future, insurance agencies can refuse you. If you are genetically inferior, it is YOUR fault. There is nobody else to blame. Handicapped/fat/thyroid issue/baldness/whatever. It's your fault.) I'm not saying we need to kill them, at all. I'm just not fond of the idea that people get pity/help for being....well...inferior. Their parents should have chosen a more effective mate, one that would help improve their genes further.

Any questions?

yo how do you explain all the people that are fat, bald, or handicapped that are superior to you?

[Angmar]

I think he's just waiting for Foehammer to make an argument he can agree with since it's kind of hard to defend such a bad opinion. :(

[Illmatic]

i'm 104% sure he's a troll

[Angmar]

Yeah, that too.

Foehammer, hard to say, he might just be that stupid.

[P13]

Genetic discrimination is retarded, you can be discriminate to anyone because no ones genes are perfect. The fact that someone is mentally retarded doesn't mean they have no place in society. Every person enriches everyone else in some way. Your Quasi-Nazism holds no moral merit and is borderline apocalyptic considering it can escalate into mass abortions based on anything from recessive hair colour genes to a becoming bald in the future. Your vision of a perfect world is self centred and only fits to you because no one has the same opinions.
Shut the **** up you retard.

[-Obscurity-]

Hey guys I just had a revelation, every person currently alive is ALSO a potential murderer, rapist, etc. I propose we start enacting government mandated euthanasia stations to eradicate this problem! By eliminating all people, we will successfully eliminate all inferior genes! Yay!

[P13]

Amen

[iarescientists]

wait so are these guys trolls or is stromfront's registration closed for now

[Super Batman]

You make no good point, some white people grow up to be murderers rapists and crooks but that doesn't mean we should abort them JUST IN CASE they aren't fit for your perfect society. You act as if though some how these "worthless retards" are a burden on your life despite the fact you obviously have never had one close in the family or ever attempted to be friends with someone 'disabled'. My best friend has OCD, another one of my best friends has schizophrenia, another has aspergers, and I have a cousin with downsyndrone, they're all worthwhile people who are smart and will contribute to society someday. You wouldn't know because you're a shallow minded idiot.



LOL these parts really made me laugh. It is essentially random if someone is born with a disorder such as this, sometimes it is genetics, sometimes not. It's not like they make a choice in the womb to have autism or anything like that, it is NOT their fault. You may be the most ignorant person I've ever seen. As far as receiving extra help goes, why shouldn't they, you've never had to deal with this kind of problem before, how would you like it if you had some disorder that made it hard for you to work and you could not support yourself, I'm sure you would deny all government help and just go live on the streets, right? :rolleyes:

Actually, two of my cousins are retards. For fun--There's a piece of my personal life.

I don't care if genetics are random--They are yours. Your genetics=Your problem. I shouldn't have to deal with them or have any of my taxes support you.
Other than those questions, you basically bashed me. So I'll go to answering the others. Once again,I am not a troll, and I am 104% sincere in these things.

[Super Batman]

yo how do you explain all the people that are fat, bald, or handicapped that are superior to you?

Fat? They aren't better than me. I am not fat.

Handicapped? I am not handicapped. I am superior to them.

Bald? I was using that as an example. I actually find bald people to look 'decent'. I really don't care if you're bald or not. I was just trying to help give examples so you would understand that I view YOUR genetics as YOUR fault.

[Super Batman]

Genetic discrimination is retarded, you can be discriminate to anyone because no ones genes are perfect. The fact that someone is mentally retarded doesn't mean they have no place in society. Every person enriches everyone else in some way. Your Quasi-Nazism holds no moral merit and is borderline apocalyptic considering it can escalate into mass abortions based on anything from recessive hair colour genes to a becoming bald in the future. Your vision of a perfect world is self centred and only fits to you because no one has the same opinions.
Shut the **** up you retard.

I don't understand how they enrich anything. All I see them as is a burden. I'd be fine with them living if they received NO public benefits. I'm not asking them to be taxed, like faghammer said, but rather just to be left in the care of those who actually want to care for them.

That's not my perfect world.

Cheers.

[Super Batman]

Hey guys I just had a revelation, every person currently alive is ALSO a potential murderer, rapist, etc. I propose we start enacting government mandated euthanasia stations to eradicate this problem! By eliminating all people, we will successfully eliminate all inferior genes! Yay!

You obviously didn't read a thing.
I was trying to show how ridiculous that argument is, and even mentioned not to take it to that radical extremism. It's silly to base it off of potential. This is why if we can examine the fetus and tell it is retarded, we eliminate it. Simple as that. I hate how people use the 'potential to human' argument against abortion. That's all I was going for. :thumb:

Euthanasia is a decent idea. It depends on where you focus it.
I would hope on the illiterate population.
Yes?

[Chu]

Good for you for working with retards, it shows that your job has low standards, though. I would rather have more efficient coworkers.
At least in Australia, businesses get payed some certain percentage if they hire a disabled person, I believe.

Hence why I am worth double money :cool:

[Chu]

Handicapped? I am not handicapped. I am superior to them.
Dude, I'm handicapped, and I'm superior to you.

[Det_Nosnip]

Hey guys I just had a revelation, every person currently alive is ALSO a potential murderer, rapist, etc. I propose we start enacting government mandated euthanasia stations to eradicate this problem! By eliminating all people, we will successfully eliminate all inferior genes! Yay!

What are YOU doing on the sane side of an arguement? :p

[Foehammer]

What are YOU doing on the sane side of an arguement? :p

Trying to take a counter example to an extreme by using an absolute statement to make the original counter seem as retarded as the babies that need to be aborted.

WAIT

I JUST REMEMBERED
EVERY PERSON ALIVE IS ALSO CARL SAGAN
AND GIGANTOR

HOLY ****ING ****

[Angmar]

Actually, two of my cousins are retards. For fun--There's a piece of my personal life.

I don't care if genetics are random--They are yours. Your genetics=Your problem. I shouldn't have to deal with them or have any of my taxes support you.
Other than those questions, you basically bashed me. So I'll go to answering the others. Once again,I am not a troll, and I am 104% sincere in these things.

So do you think your cousins should have been aborted before they were born?

You also didn't answer my question at to whether or not you would deny government help if you were actually put in a position where you were disabled. I'm sure you would, you act as if though people getting help from the government negatively impact your life. Stop being such a whiny bitch and actually think your arguments through.

[Shell]

It's not that i want them to pay any extra for hospitalization;
I just want them to have to pay more tax

In fact, if they are born they should have to pay a tax.
A tax for being worthless and taking up space.
At least then they would be benefiting society.

Think about it, what would your "retard communities" do for society?
Unless they are paying extra taxes, then they aren't doing anything.

They aren't worthless. You obviously have an immature opinion of what is valuable.

The MR communities around here provide services for companies who can't pay a "normal" person to do a certain task, yet it wouldn't be cost-effective for them to make a machine to do that task... so they have the MR people do it. Both parties benefit.

[Foehammer]

Actually, two of my cousins are retards. For fun--There's a piece of my personal life.




Hahaha, sucks for you.


Once again,I am not a troll, and I am 104% sincere in these things.

I believe I said the exact same thing before thanksgiving.

They aren't worthless. You obviously have an immature opinion of what is valuable.


Really? What is valuable?


The MR communities around here provide services for companies who can't pay a "normal" person to do a certain task, yet it wouldn't be cost-effective for them to make a machine to do that task... so they have the MR people do it. Both parties benefit.

Sorting glass?
Retards **** that up all the time

[Foehammer]

So do you think your cousins should have been aborted before they were born?

You also didn't answer my question at to whether or not you would deny government help if you were actually put in a position where you were disabled. I'm sure you would, you act as if though people getting help from the government negatively impact your life. Stop being such a whiny bitch and actually think your arguments through.

Personally, I think that is absolutely correct.
I don't want the government helping any disabled right now, so I wouldn't accept the help from them.

Also, I am in the healthiest condition of my life.
BRING IT ON!

[Super Batman]

So do you think your cousins should have been aborted before they were born?

You also didn't answer my question at to whether or not you would deny government help if you were actually put in a position where you were disabled. I'm sure you would, you act as if though people getting help from the government negatively impact your life. Stop being such a whiny bitch and actually think your arguments through.

Yes, I think they should have been aborted before they were born.

I would deny government help, yes. I've been wounded before--Part of being in the military. I was wounded, it was my fault, I don't expect others to deal with my deficiencies. If I am handicapped I will deal with it.

I am thinking it through, but I'll thank you for the ATTEMPTED show at logic. You lost it when you started being a prick.

[pilumneer]

Yes how convenient that you happened to serve in the military get injured and deny help!

I totally believe that...

[Angmar]

Fat? They aren't better than me. I am not fat.

Handicapped? I am not handicapped. I am superior to them.

wait

Are you saying, if someone is smarter, wealthier, contributes more to society, has more friends and people that love them, they are still inferior to you because they're fat? :amaze:

Same goes for the disabled...

[Super Batman]

Yes how convenient that you happened to serve in the military get injured and deny help!

I totally believe that...

Then we can go down a different line in the discussion. It was actually a big moment in my life.

If we don't take each other reasonably, we can't much say anything else. So, until then.

Cheers.

[Super Batman]

wait

Are you saying, if someone is smarter, wealthier, contributes more to society, has more friends and people that love them, they are still inferior to you because they're fat? :amaze:

Same goes for the disabled...


Yes. They are physically inferior to me. Do you disagree? I can run faster, hit harder, etc.

I don't care if people love them. I don't care how many friends they have.

I'm not trying to be insulting, I'm being honest. If it's confusing, I apologize--But feel free to ask. I'll go as far as to share personal experiences while not using names/locations if that's fine.

[Foehammer]

Physically, yes.

I think Angmar was looking at inferiority as a whole.

OBVIOUSLY IF THEY ARE SMARTER THAN YOU, YOU ARE MENTALL INFERIOR
Maybe he was just trying to keep an argument going

[Angmar]

Well now your argument is if someone is physically inferior they don't deserve life? Well obviously you are above them physically if they're handicapped or obese, but there are more important things that make up a human than their physical abilities. What you're saying is absurd and theres no way you can possibly convince anyone but yourself you're right when you hold such a despicable opinion.

[Super Batman]

Well now your argument is if someone is physically inferior they don't deserve life? Well obviously you are above them physically if they're handicapped or obese, but there are more important things that make up a human than their physical abilities. What you're saying is absurd and theres no way you can possibly convince anyone but yourself you're right when you hold such a despicable opinion.

I think that if they have a physical or mental handicap, we abort them. What is wrong with that?

They are just a fetus. Not a normal one either, in fact, they're abnormal. They are freaks. Let's eliminate them before they become dead weight.

What is the issue with this, and why is it despicable?
I don't understand why people view this as brutal/mean/harsh whatever.

[siva_chair]

Well let's see one of the most brutal regimes to have ever graced the planet essentially had that as a social policy, that might have something to do with it.

[Super Batman]

Because my belief was shared with someone/some groups brutality, my view is there-by deemed as wrong?

And if that was their idea, maybe they were correct on some grounds. I'm sure you're relating it to someone a bit more radical than I, but at least they were right on some point. Yes?

Still, thanks for explaining, even if you were vague.

[Angmar]

I think that if they have a physical or mental handicap, we abort them. What is wrong with that?

They are just a fetus. Not a normal one either, in fact, they're abnormal. They are freaks. Let's eliminate them before they become dead weight.

What is the issue with this, and why is it despicable?
I don't understand why people view this as brutal/mean/harsh whatever.

Because abortion should be a CHOICE. What you and Foehammer are implying is that the government should make it required and punishable by law. And yes, like Siva said, your idea of what makes a person valueable and worthy of life follows a similar path to the you know whats...

Mentally disabled people aren't deadweight, they too can serve a purpose in society even if it is no more than someone for their mother to love. Ever try and think of what people who have special needs children think? You talk to almost any of them and they love their child just as much as any other kid they have.

I just find it hilarious that you think you have any idea of what a family should do with their children like you have any kind of expierience of knowledge in the subject.

[Foehammer]

because a mother's love helps society function

[Angmar]

I'm sorry but not everything in this world (as you may come to learn by living a life...) is there to help society function. :lol:

[Foehammer]

Then tell me mr smart, what is life about?
How should I live my life?

[Angmar]

lol that's not what I meant at all, nice topic dodging, though.

You're saying that affection doesn't help society run properly. So I guess we should probably make dating illegal because then people would concentrate more on their lives and being successful and contributing to society. No more theme parks or entertainment it's not necessary only a distraction that people DONT NEED UGH!!!

[Super Batman]

Because abortion should be a CHOICE. What you and Foehammer are implying is that the government should make it required and punishable by law. And yes, like Siva said, your idea of what makes a person valueable and worthy of life follows a similar path to the you know whats...

Mentally disabled people aren't deadweight, they too can serve a purpose in society even if it is no more than someone for their mother to love. Ever try and think of what people who have special needs children think? You talk to almost any of them and they love their child just as much as any other kid they have.

I just find it hilarious that you think you have any idea of what a family should do with their children like you have any kind of expierience of knowledge in the subject.

Why shouldn't a government make it punishable? These people are worthless, they are less than average. They don't even hit the half-way mark.

I still don't know who 'i know who' is.

They are deadweight. I don't care about the mother's love. The retards don't identify it anyway, much less remember it for more than ten minutes. What makes them 'deserve' life? I don't understand why everyone thinks people have a right to live. It's such a strange ideal.

"You talk to almost any of them and they love their child just as much as any other kid they have."
Replace their kid with one that is normal. Watch how much happier they are. Watch how they enjoy having a normal child. Watch how they grow together, learn from eachother, instead of the mother having to tell her thirty five year old son to stop pooping on the stairs. They are inferior. Why do we keep them? It's ridiculous. Eliminate the weak, let the stronger multiply. Isn't that normal?

The family can do whatever they want with their child (Except for beat them, it seems, in America. I hate how parents keep getting in trouble for disciplining their child. ). I'm interested in destroying the fetus.

[Super Batman]

lol that's not what I meant at all, nice topic dodging, though.

You're saying that affection doesn't help society run properly. So I guess we should probably make dating illegal because then people would concentrate more on their lives and being successful and contributing to society. No more theme parks or entertainment it's not necessary only a distraction that people DONT NEED UGH!!!

That sounds like someone doing a knee-jerk reaction. You just sound silly and radical.
Heh.
Horrible analogy.

[Foehammer]

Why do we keep them? It's ridiculous. Eliminate the weak, let the stronger multiply. Isn't that normal?



Nope, just effecient.

[Super Batman]

I'm sorry but not everything in this world (as you may come to learn by living a life...) is there to help society function. :lol:

I'm glad you live in a rule-free group in the forest somewhere. Because if you didn't, hell, you'd end up being really funny to me.



That was my sarcasm to answer yours.


I live a life. I'm not interested in only society becoming profitable. I want to become profitable. Survival of the self. I want to survive, and I will adapt to do it. I will not marry for love. I will mate with a female holding the best genetic mix with mine.

Common sense.

[Angmar]

I give up, you guys have messed up ideologies about the world and how you think it should run and if you want to go live in a time where retards were exterminated buy a ****ing time machine and travel to Germany in 1940, you'll probably be right at home.

[Foehammer]

yep
HEIL FIVE!

[Super Batman]

I give up, you guys have messed up ideologies about the world and how you think it should run and if you want to go live in a time where retards were exterminated buy a ****ing time machine and travel to Germany in 1940, you'll probably be right at home.

I'm largely against Nazis. I hated their reign in Germany. I would have gladly served in the armed forces against them. I'd prefer to go back to a time without all of these modern ideas. Marriage is not for love. You do not raise a child that will not profit you, or your bloodline. Nobody has a right to live. Extinction is the rule, survival is the exception.
Murder is not wrong.
Morals do not play into actions.

I can't stand the general populace today. :upset:

[Foehammer]

I'm largely against Nazis. I hated their reign in Germany. I would have gladly served in the armed forces against them. I'd prefer to go back to a time without all of these modern ideas. Marriage is not for love. You do not raise a child that will not profit you, or your bloodline. Nobody has a right to live. Extinction is the rule, survival is the exception.
Murder is not wrong.
Morals do not play into actions.

I can't stand the general populace today. :upset:


EXACTLY!
Marriage should be forced upon those with good genes.

this = super humans

[Super Batman]

Maybe not super humans....But decent ones, at least. And I'm not sure about forced marriages.

[Foehammer]

Force the best gened to marry one another.

And the super humans was a reference to someone telling me that I want to create "super humans"

[Super Batman]

I don't know about that. Marriage has traditionally been for social class and financial security, as it should be(Except for that pesky handfasting. Cute idea they held, but the lower classes didn't benefit a thing from it).

Instead, just force people who have retards to pay more coins. Keep the requirement at: Average.

[Foehammer]

TRADITIONALLY is correct (although, as you know there still are the "business" marriages).

I say marriage for genes.

[Reaganista]

a mother's love does help society function

like fyi

[hismajestythepope]

wait, is this a thread comparing abortion to hardcore dancing?

[Angmar]

lol

[hismajestythepope]

okay thats ****ed up, abortion is a serious issue

[Foehammer]

the internet is a serious issue

[FIGHTCRIMEALLTHETIME]

lol lets just all be glad that everyone else in the world thinks that super batman and foehammer sound like retards themselves trying to say this is how things should be

[Futue te Ipsum]

they're aborted spontaneously most of the time anyway
I dont get all this crap of "retards can contribute to society". They're more a burden than they ever will be a boon, and most of the time it's only through the law that their existence continues. Infanticide is common amongst animals, was common amongst humans, and is natural when the cost outweighs the benefit, which is the case with the vast majority of handicapped (physical or mental) people.

to the other side, govt forcing abortions? are you crazy? disabled people stripped of support? You'd actually like to live in such a world?

[siva_chair]

But....Forrest Gump....

[Foehammer]

lol lets just all be glad that everyone else in the world thinks that super batman and foehammer sound like retards themselves trying to say this is how things should be

WHY THE **** ARE YOU STILL AROUND
God I hate you.

You never post a real opinion.
Whether you agree with batman or myself does not matter -- all you do is post
HI IM A ****ING MORON



L2die

[Super Batman]

they're aborted spontaneously most of the time anyway
I dont get all this crap of "retards can contribute to society". They're more a burden than they ever will be a boon, and most of the time it's only through the law that their existence continues. Infanticide is common amongst animals, was common amongst humans, and is natural when the cost outweighs the benefit, which is the case with the vast majority of handicapped (physical or mental) people.

to the other side, govt forcing abortions? are you crazy? disabled people stripped of support? You'd actually like to live in such a world?

Yes.

[Foehammer]

they're aborted spontaneously most of the time anyway
I dont get all this crap of "retards can contribute to society". They're more a burden than they ever will be a boon, and most of the time it's only through the law that their existence continues. Infanticide is common amongst animals, was common amongst humans, and is natural when the cost outweighs the benefit, which is the case with the vast majority of handicapped (physical or mental) people.

to the other side, govt forcing abortions? are you crazy? disabled people stripped of support? You'd actually like to live in such a world?


And why not?

[Already_Taken]

u can always send your unwanted children to mike tyson

[THE_KING]

Never kill my people! Unless they want to be killed!
Kill me instead!

[Super Batman]

Never kill my people! Unless they want to be killed!
Kill me instead!

So, what are you the king of?

[THE_KING]

My good sir,
I am the king of MY PEOPLE!

[Super Batman]

My good sir,
I am the king of MY PEOPLE!

And who, exactly, are your people?
And don't tell me they're little unborn children.

[THE_KING]

They are all of you!
You, him, not me, not my seagull, but the rest of you!

You are all my people!

[Super Batman]

They are all of you!
You, him, not me, not my seagull, but the rest of you!

You are all my people!

And what is the name of your kingdom?

[THE_KING]

Kingdom!

[IbanezArtist]

TBH Pro choicers are anti-guns, which means they don't support killing old people but just babies.

Pro lifers are pro guns, which means they just want the babies to be old enough to shoot eachother in the ghetto.

So aren't both standpoints completely ****ing retarded?

RONPAUL08.

But really, what's it hurt if a few babies get aborted?

I'm tired of seeing people debate about it. If you don't want an abortion, don't get one!

[Foehammer]

I'm so glad you got banned.
I raged at your post.


Obvious troll.

[Aaron]

Pipe down, Alaska Cover Artist.

[Surgicalgod]

abortion shouldn't be forced and shouldn't be banned


/thread

[Foehammer]

/thread'ing yourself doesnt make you win :[