wat does this mean

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

Draft resolution XX on the right to food, approved on 24 November by a recorded vote of 180 in favour to 1 against (United States), with no abstentions, would have the Assembly reaffirm that hunger constitutes an outrage and a violation of human dignity, requiring the adoption of urgent measures at the national, regional and international level, for its elimination.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/12/20/212722/43/694/675613

[Der Übermensch]

I'd like to see how they word "right to food" exactly...

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

all men must have at least one (1) pickle

[Foehammer]

IT'S GREAT THAT WE ARE AGAINST IT
ha

USA USA USA USA

[Super Batman]

You do not have the natural right to food. Get your own.

[Reaganista]

well we the biggest exporter so they tryina get our **** 4 free

[Super Batman]

Reaganista put it nicely, except he wrote it horribly and used a number to represent a word.

Idiot.

[Reaganista]

im rite

[Foehammer]

ur mr rite

[Super Batman]

I'm Mr.Don'tspreadthewealthorthefood

[lfantwister]

not like we dont give enough aid away already

[Reaganista]

well ya as long as ppl are still starving we obviously dont give enough away

[Super Batman]

Definitely not enough. We need to use ALL of the resources we've gathered and just give it away to people. Why? Because they deserve it or something. Just because their human, we should give them free everything. SPREAD THE WEALTH GUYS!

I hate that.

[lfantwister]

if people are straving their government sucks

see india: lots of ppl used to starve but then the government got better and started allowing a sort of free press so the press would go nuts when ppl starved so the gov was pressured to do this and now ppl are just hungry...but they dont die of it

[Foehammer]

if people are straving their government sucks

see india: lots of ppl used to starve but then the government got better and started allowing a sort of free press so the press would go nuts when ppl starved so the gov was pressured to do this and now ppl are just hungry...but they dont die of it


I approve of this post.

[Reaganista]

if people are straving their government sucks

and?

[Foehammer]

and?

And they shouldnt rely on mine for resources or food.

[lfantwister]

or they should stage a coup for food or something theatrical like that

[Reaganista]

i dont see how that excuses you not giving them anything

[Foehammer]

Why should I?

[Reaganista]

if someone is dying in the street it's cuz they were hit by a car so why should i help

Why should I?
because you can

[Foehammer]

Apply that logic to other situations, and see why it doesn't work.

Also, other than having the ability to, is there a reason I should?

[Reaganista]

huh that's the only reason possible

[lfantwister]

if someone is dying in the street it's cuz they were hit by a car so why should i help

right but if you save someone who was hit by a car you're not going to perpetuate frequent car-hittings

if you give food to poor people you will perpetuate the state of hunger. Instead we should give other things, like new governments or work for less repression, because that will beget a more prosperous nation

[Foehammer]

okay so i wont because i dont care.

:]

[Reaganista]

of course you should also overthrow their government

that's no reason not to feed them

[lfantwister]

no, if you overthrow the gov, they can feed themselves

[Reaganista]

ok even if that were true ppl still starve on a faster timeframe than u can overthrow governments in there is no reason not to feed them

[Foehammer]

Why give away MY RESOURCES?

They are MINE
Unless I am getting something in return, I refuse.

[lfantwister]

respectfully disagree

feedign them perpetuates gov injustices

we've been over this

[Reaganista]

no u r in process of overthrowing their imaginary evil government
in the meantime they will all starve if u dont feed them

[lfantwister]

ngo's much?


(its not a governments role)

[Reaganista]

ngos dont have the ability to force people to help

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

i think the important things to know here are:
-how much relatively, the cost would be
-the perspective of every single other nation who voted yes, more clearly
-i might be wrong but i think the cost is somewhere around 15-30 billion, not saying its entirely the usa`s prerogative to clear it either, which is not a very high amount

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

Why give away MY RESOURCES?

They are MINE
Unless I am getting something in return, I refuse.
can you filter your opinion through my last post.

[Reaganista]

everyone with the capacity to help is jointly and severally responsible for all of it
there's no such thing as doing your share as far as morality goes

[lfantwister]

ngos dont have the ability to force people to help

but they can give food, prevent starvation

[Reaganista]

ya and they should if they can obviously

that doesn't make it wrong for the government to force ppl to

[lfantwister]

wait who is the government forcing to do what

[Reaganista]

the government forcibly take money from ppl and uses it to feed other ppl

[Foehammer]

i think the important things to know here are:
-how much relatively, the cost would be
-the perspective of every single other nation who voted yes, more clearly
-i might be wrong but i think the cost is somewhere around 15-30 billion, not saying its entirely the usa`s prerogative to clear it either, which is not a very high amount

The cost, if you are right, is a damn large sum of money.
A lot of those countries who voted yes are almost obligated to vote yes, anyway

I just dont see why it's necessary that I help them

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

You are so white.

[Foehammer]

And you expect handouts

[Super Batman]

I smell a racist...."The Noonward race".
Head back to your gay black kkk meetings.

[Already_Taken]

catch a man a fish feed him for a day, teach a man to fish feed him for a life

[Iskandar]

More like give a man fish so he'll still be alive for you to teach him to fish.

[Super Batman]

No. Strike the man with your fishing rod and take his valuables. You will live longer, and with more joy.

[Iskandar]

I don't know whose alt you are but please don't post if you're not going to be serious about it.

[Super Batman]

I was serious, entirely. I believe if you take materials from the individual who is currently worthless, he then acts as resources for you, giving value.

Please do the same that you requested of me--And at least stick to topic.

[Already_Taken]

iskander we all have our own opinions, let's be civil ok?

also at some point you must make the proverbial man hungry so he has motivation to fish on his own, because if you feed him today, how will he know when it's time to feed himself?

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

And you expect handouts
I get handouts.

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

I was serious, entirely. I believe if you take materials from the individual who is currently worthless, he then acts as resources for you, giving value.

Please do the same that you requested of me--And at least stick to topic.
dont be an idiot you've never robbed anyone ever

[Super Batman]

I didn't say I had. I was simply putting a more profitable outcome to the situation.

[italic zero]

catch a man a fish feed him for a day, teach a man to fish feed him for a life
we already have an overfishing problem

[Already_Taken]

shut up hippie

[Iskandar]

Already_Taken we all have our own opinions, let's be civil ok?

[Already_Taken]

oh see sometimes there's this thing called humor where you kinda have to catch on to the fact that everyone might not be 100% seros

[Iskandar]

Why do you hate me?

[Dimmu Burger]

I don't want people to starve, but I also don't know what the consequences are of us voting for that bill. Can someone explain what happens if we vote for it?

[Reaganista]

nothing

[Dimmu Burger]

If that's the case then sure, people should have the right to not starve.

[Reaganista]

huh
im curious wat you feared might result

also the un can't enforce anything so when i said nothing i meant literally nothing not 'nothing else'

[Dimmu Burger]

I just didn't know if there would be some sort of consequences every time somebody starved after that bill was passed.

[The Feeding]

ummm yeah...wtf

[Foehammer]

If that's the case then sure, people should have the right to not starve.

and also the right to not work.

QUICK LET'S START A PETITION

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

Definitely not enough. We need to use ALL of the resources we've gathered and just give it away to people. Why? Because they deserve it or something. Just because their human, we should give them free everything. SPREAD THE WEALTH GUYS!

I hate that.
stop traullin

[nungman]

You do not have the natural right to food. Get your own.

so if they dont have the right to food then they dont have the right to live seeing as how the right to live is the most basic of all rights and without food one cannot survive

rite

so if no one has the right to live then you certainly dont have the right to property

so your food is not yours

give to me naow

[lfantwister]

so if they dont have the right to food then they dont have the right to live
they dont ahve the right to be given food

they could grow their own food and fulfil their right to live

and no, property is still important because it can determine your livelihood

[Reaganista]

it's not about their rights it's about the immorality of the omission of those who can help

[Foehammer]

Morality hardly benefits survival of those that matter at all.

[Super Batman]

so if they dont have the right to food then they dont have the right to live seeing as how the right to live is the most basic of all rights and without food one cannot survive

rite

so if no one has the right to live then you certainly dont have the right to property

so your food is not yours

give to me naow

I don't think people have a right to live.

[Iskandar]

they dont ahve the right to be given food

they could grow their own food and fulfil their right to liveIf it's that easy then why are people starving? What about drought and famine?

[siva_chair]

If it's that easy then why are people starving? What about drought and famine?

The state controlling/managing the food supply is a powerful political weapon.

[nungman]

yeah guys i think we all forgot for a second that the state is evil yknow

[Iskandar]

Famines are often due to state mismanagement either as political suppression (as in the Ukrainian holodomor) or through sheer ineptness (as in the Ethiopian famine in the 80s). This relates to the thesis that the less democratic a nation-state is, the more likely it is to kill its own citizens.

[Foehammer]

Ethiopians are still begging for food

[Iskandar]

Ethiopia's population are most subsistence farmers. Coupled with a harsh natural environment and bad government in general it's not surprising they have famines so often.

[siva_chair]

Famines are often due to state mismanagement either as political suppression (as in the Ukrainian holodomor) or through sheer ineptness (as in the Ethiopian famine in the 80s). This relates to the thesis that the less democratic a nation-state is, the more likely it is to kill its own citizens.

Of course, that usually is the case.

You will also notice that these sort of famines only happen in nations that have nationalized the food supply.

[Foehammer]

Ethiopians are still begging for food

[Super Batman]

I would say we send them none. Let them dissapear. Yes?
Or is there a pity factor coming into play?

[Foehammer]

I pity the fool who sends money to those ******s

[Iskandar]

Stop trolling.

[Reaganista]

Morality hardly benefits survival of those that matter at all.
not letting people starve benefits everyone

[Foehammer]

How so?
How will it benefit me?

**** the thousands of africans dying daily, they dont do anything for me anyway

[Iskandar]

Lots of people don't do anything for you. What's your point?

[DJ Karl Marx]

if it doesn't do anything for you than maybe you should look into yourself more deeply and find that it does

[Already_Taken]

without africa, and all those useless people, who are u gonna compare yourself to to feel good about yourself?

[Iskandar]

I take issue with the idea that poor people are useless.

[Already_Taken]

exactly i just pointed out their use. i take issue with it too which is why i posted

[Amit]

How so?
How will it benefit me?

**** the thousands of africans dying daily, they dont do anything for me anyway

are you thick

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks

starvation is one of the easiest ways to justify participating in geopolitical instability and hating on the West

hating on the West leads to terrorism

are you palling around with terrorists now???

[humph42]

How so?
How will it benefit me?

**** the thousands of africans dying daily, they dont do anything for me anyway


I don't know why i'm replying to a troll.

It's not as simple as they don't do anything for you. The draft seems to be an effort to make the world see that hunger is a big a problem as any, and appropriate action can be taken for those responsible for human rights violations.

As for these people not doing anything for you. It's a global problem. You think the US economy doesn't rely on other countries? Do you not believe that world progress is 'dragged down' by preventable deaths? The amount of money required to feed the poor of the world is tiny compared to the amount spent on unjustifiable wars or the amount exploited from smaller countries by large companies etc.. Unfortunatly it's not a situation that you can just throw money at.

[Foehammer]

are you thick

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks

starvation is one of the easiest ways to justify participating in geopolitical instability and hating on the West

hating on the West leads to terrorism

are you palling around with terrorists now???

r u thin
i m tha terist

[yogerto]

i hope everyone in this thread starves one day an will be outside philly connection while i come out with a big steak samwich hoagie an i look at your starving *** and laugh an take a big *** bite off my samwich and then walk away

[Foehammer]

i hope everyone in this thread starves one day an will be outside philly connection while i come out with a big steak samwich hoagie an i look at your starving *** and laugh an take a big *** bite off my samwich and then walk away

The point isnt to laugh at the starving, it's to feel superior.
And I'd be laughing at you for eating that **** food.