i'm sick to death of music made for mother****ing department store stereos

[Meatplow]

R & M audiophiles thread

i'll get things started post examples of the worst spectrals ever

Green Day - Boulevard of Broken Dreams

http://i33.tinypic.com/v2v0nm.jpg

The Stooges - Search and Destroy

http://i35.tinypic.com/25ezhc5.jpg

Guitar Wolf - Jet Generation

http://i34.tinypic.com/rhms8z.jpg

Jet Generation zoomed out for full effect of how crappy it is

http://i34.tinypic.com/ivfsqb.jpg

Other honourable failures -

Metallica - Death Magnetic
Red Hot Chili Peppers - Californication

I'm aware the Stooges and Jet Generation were intentional (the latter came with a sticker saying it's so rock and roll it could destroy your stereo so be careful) but others have no excuse it kills so many dynamics in the sound and if people say they can't tell the difference you have terrible audio equipment or bad ears. try enabling only one speaker channel it usually reveals a lot :-)

fu loudness wars pristine audio ilu <3

[Silenius]

Yeah loudness wars is weak, even black metal rereleases have this **** done to them lol. lo-fi my ***.

[Aaron]

320 or bust.

[Meatplow]

320 or bust.

V0 is better

[TheSyncopath]

V0 is better

Is the VBR vs CBR debate actually settled? The last time I looked around on discussion boards, it was pretty 50-50.

[Meatplow]

well there is that debate but a much smaller file size trumps a negligible difference in audio quality in my book

this is also true with flac ;)

i wonder if any double blind tests have ever been recorded regarding whether people can actually tell the difference between it and high quality lossy formats, I think it's probably bullshit. it's useful for archiving purposes I suppose

[TheSyncopath]

So what bitrate do people here rip their mp3 files to? A lot of people I know in the audio engineering industry tell me that with normal headphones or a desktop speaker system, the difference between say, a 192 kbps and a 320 or VBR is practically negligible.

[Meatplow]

I often hear artifacts at 128 kbps, my cutoff point would be 192.

I can hear a distinct difference between V0 and 192 sometimes, finer frequencies can be cut sharp a little. Unless i'm really concentrating I won't notice though.

So, V0.

[Aaron]

320 generally.

[McP3000]

okay wtf am i looking at

[rasputin]

waves of happiness

[McP3000]

are you saying that im being brainwashed with happiness.

[Meatplow]

okay wtf am i looking at

well the safe range of music frequencies before music distorts and start sounding all shitty in production is under that white line I believe.

these songs have been deliberately pushed past safe levels of sound so they sound louder and more attention grabbing on radio and in shopping malls etc., sacrificing any real dynamics and sounding like complete sh't through good audio equipment

its appalling :*(

[McP3000]

im sure theres a bunch of music that is mixed too loudly

who cares...but then again im probably missing something

[Meatplow]

well almost all of modern pop is I dare say, as well as alternative rock and what have you

[RiceMonster]

So what bitrate do people here rip their mp3 files to?

flac, because it's lossless. If it's mp3, I won't listen to anything below 192.

im sure theres a bunch of music that is mixed too loudly

who cares...but then again im probably missing something

If you have a good stereo system, you can hear it clipping.

[DeathMagnetik]

green day sucks

[badtaste]

The louder the better.



Obviously.

[big80smullet]

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/1619/31532851gw0.jpg

starts out well but ends oh so badly

[parvenu]

yea man look at that no dynamics at all

[Permanent Solution]

tbqh, unless you have a $5000 stereo (or $300 headphones), you won't hear a difference between lossless and high quality lossy algorithms.

Variable bit rates are better because they're (to my knowledge) adjusted to the data, so bits are assigned where bits are needed, in order to maintain a minimum quality.

I rip my music at 256 VBR and it works nicely for me.

tbh a lot the people on the internet (esp kids) who claim to be audiophiles are just shitting themselves because they honestly don't have the equipment to actually tell a difference.

Information courtesy of my signal processing knowledge, and discussion with an array of high quality audio experts (reviewers, manufacturers, etc). :)

[big80smullet]

the end is mixed far too high. the start is good though

[Clunge]

I have all my music 192 or above. Predominantly V0 and 320.

[parvenu]

tbh a lot the people on the internet (esp kids) who claim to be audiophiles are just poopting themselves because they honestly don't have the equipment to actually tell a difference.


http://g.virbcdn.com/cdnImages/crop_200x200/Image-1183-1362-oink.jpg

[Meatplow]

http://g.virbcdn.com/cdnImages/crop_200x200/Image-1183-1362-oink.jpg

the eyes are strangely appropriate to me

oh yeah and R.I.P.

neva forget, 23/10/07 :rolleyes:

tbqh, unless you have a $5000 stereo (or $300 headphones), you won't hear a difference between lossless and high quality lossy algorithms.

Variable bit rates are better because they're (to my knowledge) adjusted to the data, so bits are assigned where bits are needed, in order to maintain a minimum quality.

I rip my music at 256 VBR and it works nicely for me.

tbh a lot the people on the internet (esp kids) who claim to be audiophiles are just poopting themselves because they honestly don't have the equipment to actually tell a difference.

Information courtesy of my signal processing knowledge, and discussion with an array of high quality audio experts (reviewers, manufacturers, etc). :)

good post