Focus vs. Traced In Air

[Si1v3RfaNg]

Topic, which is better in your opinion?

[Skinners]

One of the first rules in the rule thread is to not post any band vs band threads, buddy.:wave:

[Gnarmageddon]

Descendents - Milo Goes to College

which is betr - k0rn 0r m3tallic4?

[Si1v3RfaNg]

One of the first rules in the rule thread is to not post any band vs band threads, buddy.:wave:

wow someone's an idiot, Focus and Traced In Air are by Cynic, you dumb@$$.

[Aaron]

Silverfang, back in the day people'd make thousands of these threads, clogging up R&M; and it doesn't promote real discussion. With any band there's progression and there's reduction of certain aspects between albums and it's subjective. Mood, theme and listerner's taste play too much a role for there to be a "better" album by a certain artist. People humour you, but you still need to learn to act like a regular poster here. This isn't worth a real thread, next time go into the Cynic thread and post "which album do you like better out of..", not make a new thread.

[Skinners]

wow someone's an idiot, Focus and Traced In Air are by Cynic, you dumb@$$.The rule should still apply however.

Anyway, I've only heard 2 tracks outside TIA but that's all I need to say that both suck. I'll restate my opinion that Cynic are the coldplay of metal. Calling them metal is like calling the real Coldplay "rock" even though in actuality coldplay is sob-music for menopausal kindergarten teachers. Cynic sound like a whiny midlife crisis just the same.

[bastard]

traced in air.

skinner continues to bring the lolz.

[Si1v3RfaNg]

he's very obsessed with what metal is, hey Skinners, is Black Sabbath metal? or are they not hardcore enough for you?

[HighandDriving]

Focus.

[Si1v3RfaNg]

Focus.

well vote for it then lol :thumb:

edit: oh ok you did, sorry.

[Skyler]

i think traced in air is more refined, but focus was better for it's time

[Si1v3RfaNg]

I also prefer the vocals in TIA to Focus.

[Skinners]

he's very obsessed with what metal is, hey Skinners, is Black Sabbath metal? or are they not hardcore enough for you? The general consenus is that they are among the first metal bands. However, I consider them to be more of a prototype metal, giving that generally heavy sound that would so influence the first waves of true thrash and speed metal, and perhaps doom.

Not metal really, but an influential band so I grudgingly have a minor respect for them.

[StooTwo]

Cynic not metal? Lol okay. Plus... who the heck cares? I love both albums.

However, Focus has the best Cynic song. :)

[Skinners]

Cynic not metal? Lol okay. Plus... who the heck cares?
Anyone with a conscience.

[StooTwo]

Everyone cares about a relatively unknown band? Okay. Cool.

[Si1v3RfaNg]

Yeah thrash has some of the heaviest metal ever created, so yeah I agree with you there. I love all things thrash btw, especially Slayer and Anthrax. Theres a good reason why they're part of the big four.

[Skinners]

I implied in reference to those who know of the band already, not everyone on the planet. You obviously already knew that but you used a facade to avoid an actual discussion. Are my opinions too much for you to comprehend? Coward.

[RiceMonster]

Anyone with a conscience.

Yeah, weather something is metal or not is an ethical issue.

It's a sin not to be metal as far as I'm concerned, and I am greatly concerned about this issue!

[Si1v3RfaNg]

No, I agree with you on that one, but I'll say that TIA isn't metal, but Focus is definately metal.

[StooTwo]

No your opinions are yours. It's just... Cynic are metal. They have alot of elements of non-metal. They are still metal. Plus. People who like/love the band wouldn't care if they weren't labelled "metal". I'm sure they got into them because they heard Cynic were a great metal band... but taking away the label of metal from Traced In Air doesn't mean anything.

Anyway, this is pointless.

[Skinners]

Yes, I honestly cannot comprehend how it's classified as metal, and DEATH metal at that! Pathetic really.

EDIT: silverfang

[StooTwo]

I think there are bigger things in the world to worry about Dood.

Traced In Air isn't Death Metal.

[Skinners]

taking away the label of metal from Traced In Air doesn't mean anything. It means everything, it means keeping **** non-metal bands out of the realm of what is true.

[Si1v3RfaNg]

I definately don't see them as death metal, although they have some death metal influences, obviously, but I consider them progressive metal such as Opeth or BTBAM.

[RiceMonster]

It means everything, it means keeping **** non-metal bands out of the realm of what is true.

True metal must be guarded with all our strength!

[StooTwo]

Luls Okay.

[awia]

cynic is metal though....you heard their demo tapes?

[Si1v3RfaNg]

Nh i'm not THAT metal.

[Altmer]

i like them both equally

[Skinners]

I definately don't see them as death metal, although they have some death metal influences, obviously, but I consider them progressive metal such as Opeth or BTBAM. I can't say for sure that people really consider them to be death metal, but I have seen the label floating around so I guess they're out there.

They have a couple odd semi-metallic riffs here and there but for the most part the entire album is just campfire songs.

EDIT: Ah yes, sputnikmusic has them labeled as a death, what a fallacy.

[Si1v3RfaNg]

I should have put an "I like both" selection lol

[Si1v3RfaNg]

I can't say for sure that people really consider them to be death metal, but I have seen the label floating around so I guess they're out there.

They have a couple odd semi-metallic riffs here and there but for the most part the entire album is just campfire songs.

I don't know about the campfire songs thing, but yeah some people define them as Death Metal.

[ThePalaceOfWisdom]

They have a couple odd semi-metallic riffs here and there but for the most part the entire album is just campfire songs.
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Lulz, are you unfamiliar with the concept of sub-genres? Also you get extra lulz for the campfire songs bit.

[DERSIEGDERKRIEGDERKAMPF]

Metal or non-Metal does not matter, the only classification Cynic needs is "gay".

[Skinners]

it is not a subgenre, it is submetal, as in not metal.

[TheSyncopath]

I won't say any one is better than the other.

I do like Focus more, but both have places where they are stronger than the other.

Focus was more original, more technical and more groundbreaking and pioneering.

Traced In Air sounds more polished, complete and refined.

[Det_Nosnip]

Traced in Air is horrible and Focus is a classic so...easy poll. :p

[badtaste]

Both are quite obviously bandwagon album, so 10/10!

[Detective Dan]

terrible thread


obv traced because it's decent whereas focus was terrible

[Moon Flavor]

The band Focus is better than anything Cynic's done

[McP3000]

Cynic not metal? Lol okay. Plus... who the heck cares? I love both albums.

However, Focus has the best Cynic song. :)
How Could I is beyond words

[Mendigo]

I like the jazzier tendencies of Focus a bit more. Though they're pretty much on the same level.

[Si1v3RfaNg]

Traced In Air just has a better flow for me, thats why i like it.

[DeathThrashProg]

Theyre both very different. i need to properly listen to TIA before i can decide.
and lulz at the fool calling Cynic campfire music.

[Wish]

Traced in Air was a lot easier to get into than Focus, but I honestly can't pick a favourite. TheSyncopath pretty much summed up my sentiments.
The rule should still apply however.I'd close if it it was more spammy than the rest of the threads in R&M/I was an official R&M mod. It seems to have produced better discussion than some of his other threads.
How Could I is beyond words
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[Si1v3RfaNg]

Traced in Air was a lot easier to get into than Focus, but I honestly can't pick a favourite. TheSyncopath pretty much summed up my sentiments.
I'd close if it it was more spammy than the rest of the threads in R&M/I was an official R&M mod. It seems to have produced better discussion than some of his other threads.

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Well thanks for not closing it. :thumb:

[playguitar]

Both are fantastic albums, but Focus is easily better in my opinion. The songs are much more intricate, but at the same time flow together incredibly well. Focus also has much more energy, and just plain cooler and more mindblowingly original tunes. Also you really can't beat Jason Gobel solos. Cynic is the best.

[Lunarfall]

Traced in Air flows way better, and the vocals are just plain better. Nothing on the new album comes close to How Could I though.

[StooTwo]

Veil Of Maya is exquisit.

[Correction]

focus vs traced inair which is better gfapfapfapfapp

[TheSyncopath]

I'm fairly certain that you can't possibly pronounce one better than the other. Look at it this way:

Focus is legendary for how inventive, adventurous and pioneering it was. The sheer energy merged with the spiritual approach of the music made for something that had never been heard before and has seldom been heard since. There were bands like Atheist and Pestilence who were fusing jazz and metal before Cynic, but none of them managed to achieve that level of synergy and true unity of the jazz and metal aesthetic and approach. Atheist focused more on incorporating jazz and latin rhythms. Pestilence tried the more harmonic approach. But Focus achieved a true fusion of the two. And that, in my opinion, elevated Focus as one of the greatest metal albums ever.

With Traced In Air, Cynic created an album that had an entirely different purpose, vibe, and aesthetic to it. It didn't try for a second to be Focus Part II. It stood on its own legs, and did something that Focus didn't manage to the same degree - produce a transcendental almost otherworldly effect. I mean listen to Paul solo towards the end of Evolutionary Sleeper - it just lifts you out from where you are and takes you to another place. Or the entirity of Space For This - the depth and honesty of the music is just unnerving.

Both Focus and Traced In Air are better than the other in different respects, but there's no absolute winner.

[Moon Flavor]

ARE YOU SERIOUS?

All of you dunces forget your crappy prog-metal and watch this video and realize how retarded you are
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpV5InLw52U

[Mendigo]

lol

[Det_Nosnip]

ARE YOU SERIOUS?

All of you dunces forget your crappy prog-metal and watch this video and realize how retarded you are
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpV5InLw52U

Ahahahaha. :lol:

I wonder why they didn't make it...

[badtaste]

I consider Cynic to be more wankerous than Dream Theater.

[einzweiveirfunf]

I really don't get why some people get so worked up on whether these guys are death metal or not. I liked these guys because they had quite a cool image, and it was the fact that they weren't too "metal" which made me enjoy them, seeing as most death metal is meaningless, and almost a bit of gimmick.

[heavy metal kid]

So much hate on Cynic these days, I wonder why

As for being metal, death metal or some other genre, I don't think Cynic care if they are labeled as such thing, they just enjoy playing music and I think musicians should care less about their music orientation towards an specific genre and care more about expanding their sounds.

As for the albums, my favorite song is How Could I; but, I'm going with Traced in Air.

[TheSyncopath]

So much hate on Cynic these days, I wonder why

As for being metal, death metal or some other genre, I don't think Cynic care if they are labeled as such thing, they just enjoy playing music and I think musicians should care less about their music orientation towards an specific genre and care more about expanding their sounds.

As for the albums, my favorite song is How Could I; but, I'm going with Traced in Air.

Precisely. It'd be the most deplorable thing if band X came across a certain sound or idea that they really liked and expressed perfectly what they intended, but then said "Oh guys, we're supposed to be extreme kvlt br00tal death metal, remember? Toss the part."

If it says what needs to be said, it's in.