Black Sabbath

[jogerto]

you may discuss the greatest band of all time itt

be true my friends be true

[christsimpson]

Sabbath Bloody Sabbath = best track and best record

[penelope weird hands]

Never listened to much Sabbath before, tbh.. any recommendations?

[Meatplow]

I went through a massive sabbath period, listening to their albums chronologically.

I stopped at Heaven & Hell for some reason. I had some great times with these records.

[christsimpson]

Never listened to much Sabbath before, tbh.. any recommendations?

as mentioned - Sabbath Bloody Sabbath.

[Meatplow]

the navity in black tribute album just came on, awesome

[The_Berzerker]

First page!

[Correction]

master of reality is the best sabbath album by far

[Clunge]

Paranoid, Masters Of Reality and Black Sabbath are three classic albums, I can't say I enjoy anything else of theirs though.

[manos87]

Fav albums would be Heaven & Hell and Sabbath bloody sabbath. They are quite different to each other though

[RiceMonster]

master of reality is the best sabbath album by far

Yeah that album rules.

[Meatplow]

sabotage is an underrated favourite of mine

[OllieS]

Sabbath Bloody Sabbath = best track and best record
This. Best Metal riff there is, period.

[Angmar]

Heaven and Hell ftw.

[Permanent Solution]

I'm sad to say I only really got into these guys lately...beyond the obligatory Paranoid of course.

[playguitar]

The first three records are classic, and every album after them has a few great moments. I am not a fan of the Dio era at all. Bill Ward is great.

[Correction]

master of reality is the best cause its their best album to smoke to

[AA-12]

where's Brummy for this?

[Skyler]

master of reality is pretty much the perfect record

[McP3000]

Black Sabbath and Master of Reality are my favs

i dont care for Paranoid at all, and im probably a huge tool for saying i prefer Mob Rules over Heaven and Hell, but i do.

[bastard]

Paranoid or S/t

[bastard]

Black Sabbath and Master of Reality are my favs

i dont care for Paranoid at all, and im probably a huge tool for saying i prefer Mob Rules over Heaven and Hell, but i do.

you're a huge tool.

[Aaron]

Solitude is the only metal song ever allowed to talk about feelings.

[bastard]

well black sabbath isn't really metal, it's hard rock (crap genre) with terrible gothy lyrics.

[Aaron]

Without black-sabbath there would be no modern metal in its current form, and saying that that sound of music isn't metal is discounting hundreds of other artists [Reverend Bizare, Type O Negative, Mastodon] who have similar sounds in their music.

[Si1v3RfaNg]

War Pigs, one of the best metal songs ever written, period.

[bastard]

Without black-sabbath there would be no modern metal in its current form, and saying that that sound of music isn't metal is discounting hundreds of other artists [Reverend Bizare, Type O Negative, Mastodon] who have similar sounds in their music.

you do realize i was just making fun of that skinner guy, right?

[Deth]

Black Sabbath
Master of Reality
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
Heaven and Hell
Tyr
Sabotage

are the ones of highest elitery

[bastard]

I never liked Tyr, but I agree with all the rest of those.

[elmntrs]

yeah man never liked tyr idk

[Deth]

The Sabbath Stones is one of my favorite Sabbath songs ****ing heavy metal man

[Meatplow]

i may grudgingly d'load mob rules and start plowing through the second half of sabbaths career

[Deth]

Mob Rules is too inconsistent for me, but has some awesome stuff on it.

oh and Dehumanizer slays I forgot about that one.

[Aaron]

you do realize i was just making fun of that skinner guy, right?
Well now that I've had my coffee I do...

[bastard]

okay cool.

[Brew]

where's Brummy for this?

'supsup, glad someone remembers about me in R&M :)

i was going to bump my old Sabbath thread t'other day but can't remember why.

just finished listening to Zero the Hero, such a phat riff in that song.

edit: last time i posted in a Sabbath thread i was bangin' on about some Tony Martin era bootleggs, specifically 'Headless in Vienna' from 1989 and 'Live at the Wolverhampton Civic Hall' from 1990/1991 (can't remember which year).

Tony Martin at his best. well worth downloading.

[Thor]

Discuss how Born Again is one of the worst albums ever made ITT

[Murdererer]

that one where its like dunadundundun yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhh the witch willlll killllll uuuuuuuuuu yeaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Thor]

No it's the one with really stale riffs, obnoxious production and terrible vocals.

[Si1v3RfaNg]

No it's the one with really stale riffs, obnoxious production and terrible vocals.

well most of their stuff is obnoxious, but they're first three albums were the only good ones.

[Thor]

lol Si1v3RfaNg

no Sabbath actually has a slew of quality albums

[Si1v3RfaNg]

lol Si1v3RfaNg

no Sabbath actually has a slew of quality albums

lol sorry i meant to say most of they're stuff has obnoxious quality, sorry, i just only like the first three albums.

[rasputin]

well most of their stuff is obnoxious, but they're first three albums were the only good ones.
no.

[Deth]

The people who say that are those who've only heard the first three, so pay no regard.

[Thor]

People who say that haven't heard Heaven and Hell or Dehumanizer

[Si1v3RfaNg]

Well I haven't heard anything besides the first five, and the two after the first three didn't impress me. Oh btw Thor i listened to the new Cynic album some more, and wow its actually really good.

[Thor]

yeah when you actually listened to it right

[Crumpet]

I'm with the Paranoid crowd, it's a good album. A little dark for my classic rock tastes, but it sounds like an ancient evil to me through the production it's kinda cool.

[McP3000]

I'm with the Paranoid crowd, it's a good album. A little dark for my classic rock tastes, but it sounds like an ancient evil to me through the production it's kinda cool.
black sabbath is definitely an ancient evil

[Brew]

Born Again is a solid album.

Try finding the demos for the album for a less bass-heavy mix to the songs.

[Crumpet]

black sabbath is definitely an ancient evil

iommi's tone is pure evil on electric funeral I **** you not

[Thor]

Born Again is a solid album.

Try finding the demos for the album for a less bass-heavy mix to the songs.
I'll always find the vocals to be atrocious.

[pate]

Black Sabbath
Master of Reality
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
Heaven and Hell
Tyr
Sabotage

are the ones of highest elitery

Add Mob Rules, Dehumanizer, and Headless Cross and you're set.

[Deth]

Yeah I forgot Dehumanizer. Mob Rules is about 2/3 absolutely amazing but the other 1/3 is utter ****, so I'm not quite in love with it.

[Thor]

Headless Cross didn't really do it for me besides Devil and Daughter which is a kick *** song.

[pate]

You liked it and not the title track and Nightwing? Odd.

[Thor]

The title track is a fairly solid song, but Nightwing didn't stick out that much for me to be honest. Devil and Daughter is one of the best 80s Sabbath songs if you ask me. The keys in that song are great especially during the verses.

[pate]

A little tidbit: Devil and Daughter was written about Don Arden and Sharon (Arden) Osbourne

[Thor]

A little tidbit: Devil and Daughter was written about Don Arden and Sharon (Arden) Osbourne
Just read up on their history thanks to this post. Damn, that's a pretty rough past! :(

np Into The Void

[Meatplow]

...

[Meatplow]

anybody heard that version of into the void by soundgarden where they remove all the original lyrics and sing about the indian rights movement?

it's a strange idea

[Thor]

link plz

into the void has some of sabbath's most bitchin riffs

[McP3000]

into the void is pretty awesome yes

[Thor]

The last two songs on Mob Rules own so much

[McP3000]

those two, plus sign of the southern cross are my favorite dio-era black sabbath songs

[Meatplow]

link plz

into the void has some of sabbath's most bitchin riffs

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=h9wF2DDyz2g

How can you buy or sell the sky
Or the warmth of the land it's strange to us
We don't own the freshness of the air
Or the sparkle of the water
How can you buy them from us
The white man doesn't understand our ways
For he's a stranger who comes in the night
And takes from the land just what he needs

Oh yeah

He treats his brothers like his enemies
When it's completed he moves on
He leaves his father's grave and his birthright
His birthright is forgotten
The air is precious to the red man
For all things share the same breath
The white man won't notice the air he breathes
Like a man dying for many days

All right now

The whites must treat the beasts of his land
As his brothers not his enemies
Tell me what is man without the beasts
I'll bet he will die of loneliness

One thing we know that the white man will
We know our god is the same god
You may think you wish to own him
Own him as you wish to own our land
But he is the body of man
And the earth is precious to him
Continue to contaminate your bed
And you will suffocate in your waste

[JohnXDoe]

i like some of the early stuff. Paranoid still kicks my arse...War Pigs is scary somehow, too

i also like some of the Dio years. the guitar player with half a finger is pretty cool

[Brew]

whut

Iommi has all 4 fingers, he's just missing the tips of them.

[JohnXDoe]

really? the tips of how many?

[christsimpson]

two. right middle/ring finger.

[Brew]

''In an industrial accident at the age of 17 on his last day of work in a sheet metal factory, he lost the tips of the middle and ring finger of his right hand.''

thats why he wears artificial finger tips.

[pate]

Sabbath noobs need to gtfo.

And by that I mean everyone who doesn't worship the Tony Martin era.

[chrisadlersidol]

into the void is pretty awesome yes

the opening riff sounds alot like the riff to south of heaven by slayer

[Brew]

sabbath Noobs Need To Gtfo.

And By That I Mean Everyone Who Doesn't Worship The Tony Martin Era.

123

[Meatplow]

the opening riff sounds alot like the riff to south of heaven by slayer

it has notes yes

[Thor]

Sabbath noobs need to gtfo.

And by that I mean everyone who doesn't worship the Tony Martin era.
worship is a bit of a strong word, but I dig a good deal of Martin's material.

Like most of the stuff on Eternal Idol and Cross Purposes is pretty great

[Whitechapel447]

war pigs ftw nigga

[parvenu]

is it cool to like a period of the band that is actually the worst now

[DeathMagnetik]

ozzy is invincible

[Thor]

is it cool to like a period of the band that is actually the worst now
It wasn't as consistent as the Ozzy or Dio days but there's still plenty of good stuff that is consistently bashed and overlooked for no reason. That's basically it.

[Permanent Solution]

war pigs ftw nigga

Sacred Reich covered that on Saturday...it was pretty slick.

[Thor]

Word. War Pigs is probably still my favorite Sabbath song.

[interviewer02]

Word. War Pigs is probably still my favorite Sabbath song.

Yeah, War Pigs or Sabbath Bloody Sabbath.

Hey Thor, are you a girl?

[Thor]

lol no that was probably a picture of my gf you were looking at

[interviewer02]

lol no that was probably a picture of my gf you were looking at

oh, shes quite attractive then.

[Thor]

haha thanks bro. Yeah she's a looker.

[pate]

worship is a bit of a strong word, but I dig a good deal of Martin's material.

Like most of the stuff on Eternal Idol and Cross Purposes is pretty great

Have you heard Tyr?

It's my second favorite Sabbath album.

[FatalEnergy]

Martin era Sabbath gets way overlooked.

Dehumanizer is still my favorite though.

[pate]

It, Tyr, and Master of Reality are my favorite Sabbath albums.


And it's odd, each is the third album with that singer.

[McP3000]

Im a true sabbath fan and prefer their self titled the most, but i have only heard the first 6 ozzy albums and the two dio albums.

[Niflheim II]

arrrggghhh

[pate]

Im a true sabbath fan and prefer their self titled the most, but i have only heard the first 6 ozzy albums and the two dio albums.

then you aren't a true sabbath fan

[McP3000]

i was being sarcastic about the true sabbath fan thing. Ive always find it funny when people say that a true fan's favorite is the band's debut....idk

im a big sabbath fan but i definitely dont consider myself on the same level as you or brian maybe.

probably should check out dehumanizer and tyr now

*sigh*

[pate]

Yeah, you should like those. Dehumanizer is slower than HaH and Mob Rules though, so be ready.

[Brew]

TYR on vinyl FTW.

And now some love for Seventh Star and Forbidden.

[pate]

Hail Glenn Hughes.

[Seafroggys]

I'd love to hear Hughes in Sabbath. His work in Deep Purple kicks ***.

[Brew]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoRphPC-QO4

Opening track for the Seventh Star album which Hughes sung on.

[dreamsofapollo]

Heaven and Hell ftw.
agreed a great album.

[Seafroggys]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoRphPC-QO4

Opening track for the Seventh Star album which Hughes sung on.

Nice!

A little different from his usual funky side.

I don't know why people are like "Ozzy is the only true singer!"

[Thor]

Yeah, you should like those. Dehumanizer is slower than HaH and Mob Rules though, so be ready.
Dehumanizer also rules

[pate]

Indeed.

[jogmeister]

i forgot about this thread im glad it is still going

i have to say probly my favorite songs are A National Acrobat or Megalomania its a close tie

but mostly all sabbath rules except for the post-dio years with gilliam was a bad point imho

i also found tons of bootlegs on some torrent from live shows from the 70s i have to remember it if ppl are interested i'll post it they have tons of live show recordings for many bands there

[Brew]

deeppurplehub

for all your bootlegg needs. they've got alot of great stuff on there.

now that you've mentioned Megalomania I'm going to have to listen to it :)

[Vegetaman]

Dehumanizer is the best Black Sabbath album, IMO.

[pate]

Go away.

[DeathMagnetik]

ozzy is badass cuz he on the samsung commercial

[rid]

eh not a fan.

[McP3000]

ozzy is badass cuz he on the samsung commercial
i hated that commercial

[DeathMagnetik]

i love it when it cums on i interrupt the current convo and yell "Everyone shut up!! It's on!!" and i point at the screen and laugh obnoxiously loud

one time someone was like it's not that funny dude and i punched him right in his ugly mug and told him to gtfo

[Niflheim II]

best Sabbath song is Solitude eh

[Niflheim II]

u need to learn how to troll champ

[Brew]

best Sabbath song is Solitude eh

Its in the top 3 for me.

[Whitechapel447]

ozzy is badass cuz he on the samsung commercial


hey man he was also in the WOW commercial you can't forget that

[The Transporter]

supertzar is epic

[Meatplow]

supertzar is awesome indeed

[Vegetaman]

Go away.

Hey, I liked it before you did. :mad:

best Sabbath song is Solitude eh

And yeah, Solitude is a great song. Cathedral did a good cover of it, too.

[Brew]

Juniors Eyes with Dave Walker on vocals is...not bad.

Anyone else heard this?

[pate]

I don't want to hear the stuff with him on it. It might make me wish he had stayed in the band!

[Vegetaman]

I had (key word being "had") a demo copy of Dave Donato doing The Shining, of Dave Walker doing Juniors Eyes, and of Jeff Fenholt doing his demo with Black Sabbath for several songs (Star of India, Take My Heart, Eye of the Storm, etc.). I appreciate them for what they are, but I have have passed them on for other demos and bootlegs since they did not impress me.

[jogerto]

i didnt think ozzy sang on solitude for a long time because it doesnt sound anything like him

but apparently it was him

[killingyou]

symptoms of the universe is the ****, and under the sun everday comes and goes. pretty much wreck,

[jogerto]

yeh

there was a time when i was tapped out of sabbath just had listened to them so much so i didnt listen to them at all for a long spell

i like to return and listen to them from time to time

ozzy has said after 60 thats it no more singing so if black sabbath an ozzy play one more tour thats probly going to be it for the original lineup ever

but that last live album they did with ozzy his voice just went out so much it was hard to really listen to it

not sure what they are planning now tho if theyre going to do another tour

[pate]

Tony, Geezer, Ozzy, and Bill never play together again. You heard it here first.

[killingyou]

Tony, Geezer, Ozzy, and Bill never play together again. You heard it here first.

thats why there gonna headline ozzfest this year?? 0_o

[jogerto]

refls

[pate]

Won't happen.

Heaven and Hell album out in early '09 means another long stretch of touring. With Ozzy, they have nothing new to promote. I think Tony and Geez are sick of the nostalgia train.

[jogerto]

is ozzy doing a new album next year?

[pate]

No idea.

[jogerto]

me neither i dun follow on ozz much anymore i will always love him tho but i dont really acknowledge his stuff that he did after randy rhoads and i really really hate zakk wyldes guitar style

ozzys given us his best time to retire and make stupid commercials for now

[Meatplow]

ozzy picking up dogcrap round the family pool ended his later career for me years before I even knew who he was

[killingyou]

Won't happen.

Heaven and Hell album out in early '09 means another long stretch of touring. With Ozzy, they have nothing new to promote. I think Tony and Geez are sick of the nostalgia train.

yeah i know, i was just throwin around bull.

[pate]

Good. :p

[Meatplow]

is bill ward dead or is it just me

/2lazy2google

[jogerto]

no but he has bad heart problems

[pate]

He's a dinosaur.

[Brew]

Apparently Geezer has made a comment recently about the Heaven and Hell tracks being finished.

And going back to the whole thing about Sabbath demos...alot of them are easy enough to find on Youtube and its kinda interesting to hear songs like The Shining and Seventh Star in their early stages of devlopment.

[Vegetaman]

Ozzy just wants to pull another 1992 where he gets Ronnie pissed off enough to leave Tony and Geezer behind again. And then they'll get Tony Martin back for a good album and a **** album. Then we'll get nothing new out of the Sabbath camp for the next 10 years after that but compilations of compilations.

Ozzy Sabbath is pretty much done. After the Reunion live album came out they pretty much sat on their *** waiting for Ozzy to get with the program and nothing happened. They've done more with Ronnie in two years than they did with Ozzy in 10. Plus they didn't even change their Ozzfest setlists for Black Sabbath outside of the most overdone staple songs of all time (except for Dirty Women) thanks to The Ozzman.

Heaven and Hell will be touring to promote their new album, then Geezer will go back to GZR to make more of that heavy for the sake of being heavy metal, Ronnie will go back to Dio to work on Magica II/III, and Iommi will pair up with Glenn Hughes again to make another album for his solo band since 2005's Fused.

This is like the last chapter of the Sabbath history book, folks. Enjoy it while it lasts, and go see 'em if you have the chance. Heaven and Hell puts on a live show twice as good as the original Black Sabbath, IMO. And yes, Geezer said earlier this week that all the Heaven and Hell tracks are recorded and they're recording a making of video for "Tomorrow".

[Brew]

I saw Heaven and Hell last year, I'll probably see them again if they come back to Plymouth.

And Forbidden wasn't that bad of an album. Sure everything else in the TM era is superior to it but on the whole I quite like it.

I had all 3 GZR albums until recently, I sold Plastic Planet because I couldn't actually listen to it all the way through without getting bored and Ohmwork was just a bit meh. I've still got Black Science.

[pate]

Veggie and I saw Heaven and Hell in September 2007, and I saw them again in August 08. Kickass both times.

Ohmwork is terrible.

[FatalEnergy]

I saw Heaven and Hell in Nov '07 and Sept '08. Yes, definitely great both times.

I saw Black Sabbath back in '04, and had to leave half way through the set. Ozzy got through War Pigs, NIB, and half of Into the Void then his voice gave out and I just wanted to leave after that because it was so pathetic.

[Brew]

Veggie and I saw Heaven and Hell in September 2007, and I saw them again in August 08. Kickass both times.

Ohmwork is terrible.

Ohmwork had its moments of being alright, as did Plastic Planet but as a whole they were both pretty naff.

I wanted to see Sabbath in 2005 but I couldn't afford it. I bought the Last Supper DVD instead.

[pate]

I saw Heaven and Hell in Nov '07 and Sept '08. Yes, definitely great both times.

I saw Black Sabbath back in '04, and had to leave half way through the set. Ozzy got through War Pigs, NIB, and half of Into the Void then his voice gave out and I just wanted to leave after that because it was so pathetic.

Veggie and I saw Sabbath in '05. Ozzy was really great, until he cracked during Dirty Women, then ran offstage. They extended the jam even more, then did Paranoid and left, skipping 3 or 4 songs in the process.

[Vegetaman]

I had all 3 GZR albums until recently, I sold Plastic Planet because I couldn't actually listen to it all the way through without getting bored and Ohmwork was just a bit meh. I've still got Black Science.

I have Plastic Planet and it is okay (though nothing special). I have wanted to get Black Science since it is supposed to be the best of the three (the one that is the least "heavy for the sake of heavy", anyway). And I skipped out on Ohmwork because it was terrible. There's a couple of good riffs from Ohmwork but they're so short and buried amidst so much crap it isn't even worth it.

Veggie and I saw Sabbath in '05. Ozzy was really great, until he cracked during Dirty Women, then ran offstage. They extended the jam even more, then did Paranoid and left, skipping 3 or 4 songs in the process.

Indeed. I am most sad that they didn't play Black Sabbath, because I have always loved the solo Iommi does live for that song. Heaven and Hell was a far superior act than Black Sabbath, IMO. Hopefully they revamp their setlist after their new album to include some of their new songs, plus maybe Turn Up The Night, Letters From Earth, TV Crimes, and stuff like that. :chug:

[Brew]

TV Crimes live would be awesome.

[pate]

I want Master of Insanity, but that will never happen. I can just image how pissed Tony was when Geezer showed him the intro riff.

"You want me to play WHAT?"

[Vegetaman]

I want Master of Insanity, but that will never happen. I can just image how pissed Tony was when Geezer showed him the intro riff.

"You want me to play WHAT?"

Ironically enough, they actually played it on the 1992 Dehumanizer tour. In fact, they played:

-Computer God
-I
-TV Crimes
-Master of Insanity
-Time Machine

And they never even played After All (The Dead), except for whatever medley of it Iommi busted out at various points later on as they dropped probably TV Crimes and Time Machine from the setlist.

Go figure. I mean, they even played Country Girl live a few times, but there's one you'll probably NEVER see live again. :smash:

[FatalEnergy]

TV Crime and Master of Insanity would be cool.

As long as they keep Die Young and Sign of the Southern Cross I'll be happy.

[pate]

I could do without Sign of the Southern Cross. They could fit TV Crimes and Master of Insanity in its place.

[Vegetaman]

I like Sign of the Southern Cross but it does indeed take up too much set time. And I like Heaven and Hell, but the extended version kills an extra song or two (or a full scale Iommi guitar solo).

[Deth]

I could have lived with Heaven and Hell being about half as long live. Plus the drum solo can go away as well.

[Brew]

the drum solo was kinda cool, but the 26minute version of Heaven and Hell we got (at least, someone told me it was that long) could definately do with being shortened.

[pate]

Both times, ours was 17 minutes I think. Still way too long.

[Angmar]

They played the song Heaven and Hell that long? Jesus Christ how did they manage that?

[Deth]

Extended jam about halfway in. I have nothing against jams, but it goes on for 10+ minutes. Just too much.

[FatalEnergy]

They did it back in the 80s too. I also would suggest that they didn't do it, and yeah the drum solo wasn't all that spectacular.

Then again, they're big arena shows and ****. Most people are just average fans that aren't musicians so they probably think that drum solo is the most awesome thing they've ever seen. That, and most of them are drunk.

[Deth]

The dude next to me told me they were going to play Holy Diver, Man on the Silver Mountain and Paranoid, so that's probably the target audience idk.

[McP3000]

The dude next to me told me they were going to play Holy Diver, Man on the Silver Mountain and Paranoid, so that's probably the target audience idk.
hahahaha

did you insult him after saying something like that?

[FatalEnergy]

Yeah, that's some pretty epic fail.

[pate]

Yeah, that's how the crowd was both times I saw them.

[Vegetaman]

I have the bootleg for the Heaven and Hell show I was at with pate in Chicago (Sept 2007), and the track for Heaven and Hell is 21 minutes and change long. And the drum solo takes up 5 minutes. Sign of the Southern Cross clocks in at just over 9 minutes. So there's an easy almost 25 minutes of set time regained, which is easily 3 or 4 new songs.

And, hilariously, right when the band comes out again and Ronnie says "we're gonna play one more", you can hear some guy in the crowd scream out loud "IRON MAN!" before Ronnie yells "Neon Knights".

I mean, not everybody in the crowd knows what they're seeing when they go to the show. I had people next to me who thought that the sped up part of Heaven and Hell was a different song. And like half of the crowd sat down for Falling off the Edge of the World. I think if the band played something like Holy Diver, the majority of the crowd would be even more lost. Only the Dio solo band can get away with playing Rainbow and Sabbath classics coupled with his solo material.

It would be awesome if they would play something like Over and Over (off of Mob Rules) and let Iommi do an extended solo to that where he could just rip like mad.

[jogerto]

well it would be incredibly strange for sabbath to play holy diver seeing that Dio did that after he had left sabbath and it isn't a sabbath song

[Vegetaman]

well it would be incredibly strange for sabbath to play holy diver seeing that Dio did that after he had left sabbath and it isn't a sabbath song

While I do agree with you, the idea is not completely unwarranted or out of left field. For reference, they played Smoke on the Water on the Born Again tour with Ian Gillan back in 1983. They did a pretty good job, actually.

[jogerto]

idk really how they can hook up with dio again after all the crap he said about sabbath after he had left them in the 80s and into the 90s really

[Deth]

Even if both parties dislike each other (which I don't think really is the case) they all know they create incredible music so I think they're willing to overlook a lot of that stuff.

[pate]

Everyone who has ever been in Sabbath or related to Sabbath is 100%, grade-A full of ****.


The biographical movie on the band should be entitled "The Black Sabbath Story: I Never Said That"

[FatalEnergy]

lol

[Brew]

on one of the Tony Martin era bootleggs that I've got you can hear a couple of guys commenting on things like how crap the beer is, songs they like and a few other things, its kinda cool.

[pate]

Anybody going "Where's Ozzy?"?

[Vegetaman]

The Sabbath Camp is notorious for saying a bunch of bull. Hell, I'm pretty sure Iommi hates Sharon (but don't quote me on that), but that all got put aside for 10 years of Ozzfest reunion shows. Not only that, but there were also some epic spats between the Ozzy camp and the 80s-Sabbath camp (none of which I shall repeat here; you'll have to read the books and scour the web on your own for these tidbits of joy). But when money is involved, it changes what goes on.

And on to Dio... Ronnie mentioned that he'd never work with Doug Aldrich again after Killing The Dragon and the Evil or Divine live DVD came out (after he went back to Whitesnake), but alas Craig Goldy falls ill and who fills in on the Holy Diver Live DVD? None other than Doug Aldrich. Geezer is the king of retelling stories and leaving out information or changing it entirely (especially when discussing lyrics or the meaning behind the song Black Sabbath). And Iommi... He's just absolutely hilarious.

Some feuds, however, such as Vivian Campbell vs. Ronnie James Dio... There's something that is so nasty that it will never be patched up. Ronnie values Iommi's guitar playing, despite whatever small jabs he may have made to the contrary (and the same for Geezer and Vinny), but the feud is no where near the level that Vivian and Ronnie have going on.

The biographical movie on the band should be entitled "The Black Sabbath Story: I Never Said That"

This exactly. We have had several hilarious conversations to this effect. You could even package that with a special feature which includes a twenty minute segment called "Tony Iommi makes unintentional funnies".

"Who is Glenn Hughes? I want to make an album with him."

"What arguments? We've always been the best of friends, since forever."

[Meatplow]

still probably the greatest metal band of all time

i'm listening to sabbath bloody sabbath

[Brew]

i've been trying to find the Volume 4, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Sabotage digipack remasters in HMV but either their website is lying and they haven't been released yet or they're just being lazy at updating their stock.

[Deth]

I still don't have Volume 4

hmm

[Brew]

it used to be my favourite of the first four, though now i'm not sure. i've had a big thing for Master of Reality recently.

[Deth]

Masters of Reality is definitely my favorite of the first 4, probably tied with Sabbath Bloody Sabbath as favorite Ozzy album

[Brew]

at the moment i'd say MOR is my favourite Ozzy-era album, closely followed by Never Say Die!

i only need to get Sabotage on cd and then my copies of Heaven and Hell, Mob Rules and Live Evil back from my parents house to have all the Sabbath studio albums floating around in various forms in my room.

[Meatplow]

i've been trying to find the Volume 4, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Sabotage digipack remasters in HMV but either their website is lying and they haven't been released yet or they're just being lazy at updating their stock.

do you just permanently lurk until the Black Sabbath thread gets bumped?

maybe I just haven't been looking in the right places but you never seem to post anywhere else

[pate]

Masters of Reality is definitely my favorite of the first 4, probably tied with Sabbath Bloody Sabbath as favorite Ozzy album

Masters is my favorite Sabbath album by far. I definitely like SBS though.

And get Vol 4 now!

[Carl Sagan]

vol 4 sucks

[rasputin]

vol 4 has like 3 good songs that's it

[Meatplow]

vol 4 really grew on me

the later half is probably my favourite, but idk I really hated Wheels of Confusion/The Straightener and now its one of my favourite Sabbath songs of all time

[rasputin]

ya the later half is better

supernaut snowblind and under the sun rulezzz

[Meatplow]

I always liked playing a solo version of Laguna Sunrise on guitar

[Carl Sagan]

most of the good songs on it are ruined by strings and ****

the production is really bad 2

[Brew]

do you just permanently lurk until the Black Sabbath thread gets bumped?

maybe I just haven't been looking in the right places but you never seem to post anywhere else

yep, there's about 3 threads that i post in on a regular basis atm...

/lurks

edit: apparently the production on the 2009 remaster of Vol.4 is meant to be great, but i can't find it anywhere so don't really know for sure.

[Murdererer]

make a joke and i will sigh and u will laugh and i will cry
happiness i cannot feel your love to me is so unreal

[Meatplow]

Megalomania is cool.

I really dig Sabotage idk why so many claim its bad Sabbath

[rasputin]

i could never get into the later ozzy stuff

the only track i really like from sabotage is symptom of the universe, hella badarse riff

[Meatplow]

I hated Technical Ecstacy and Never Say Die at first, but they've grown on me a lot over time. Sometimes I just get into the mood to listen to those albums.

I should work past Heaven and Hell, I stopped there with the discography after those two albums turning me off and not really digging Dio that much. I love it now though, Neon Knights is an awesome opening track.

[rasputin]

yeah the only Dio album i've heard is Heaven and Hell, I do need to expand on that

[Meatplow]

i'm vaguely familiar with the years after from the second part of The Black Sabbath Story

[rasputin]

i'm even less familar with that period

the late 80s albums are top notch apparently

[Brew]

Just get them in order, thats the easiest thing to do.

Though I can highly recommend Born Again, Headless Cross and TYR as your starting points.

edit: and The Eternal Idol, purely for The Shining. Such a solid song, completely owns the rest of the album.

[Meatplow]

Yeah, I usually do things that way. I'll get some stuff later this month.

[pate]

Get Tyr pronto. It's in my top 5 albums of any band.

[Conservationist]

The new Heaven & Hell is like the best of post-Ozzy Sabbath.

[pate]

Not even close IMO. Not in the top 5.

[rasputin]

the Heaven and Hell album destroys the Heaven and Hell band

[McP3000]

i agree

i also like Mob Rules and Dehumanizer more than heaven and hell in terms of Dio album.s

[pate]

And Tyr is the best Sabbath album.

[Brew]

The Devil You Know was great on its first listen, after that nothing really stands out to make it awesome.

[McP3000]

i completely agree with brew

but i must disagree pate and be generic. Master Of Reality is my favorite

[Hollier]

never listened to sabbath properly :/ better get started soon!

[McP3000]

yeah ummmm wtf hollier

[Hollier]

yeah i know lolol

[Deth]

Tyr keeps climbing up my charts, probably in my top 3 now with Master of Reality and Heaven and Hell

[Brew]

I think my top three has TYR, Never Say Die! and Headless Cross in it, and that order looks about right as well.

[Meatplow]

i'm going to listen to Mob Rules and Born Again tommorow night and gradually resume my crawl through their discography

[pate]

i completely agree with brew

but i must disagree pate and be generic. Master Of Reality is my favorite

tbh MoR is probably my favorite, but it's more fun to whore out Tyr.

Okay they're tied.