View Full Version : dear christians (serious question),
:amaze:
10-07-2008, 01:37 PM
so there's this guy that comes to my campus every year and preaches, pointing people out and telling them they are going to hell for various reasons.
now, i haven't read the bible in a while, but i know there are passages that talk about not judging your neighbor. can anyone point out where these are so i can quote his own book against him?
also, he just told me that he is "morally perfect," which i doubt can be achieved by living humans (according to the bible) ... any passages that i could quote about this?
:amaze:
Shell
10-07-2008, 01:41 PM
he isn't morally perfect because he is condemning others
you could always bring up the "let he who has not sinned throw the first stone" story
John 8: 1-11
:amaze:
10-07-2008, 01:42 PM
yeah that's not going to work ... he'll just retort that he's saved and therefore without sin.
:amaze:
Mister_Che
10-07-2008, 01:45 PM
Then he'll cast a stone at you.
:amaze:
10-07-2008, 01:46 PM
right, and i'm trying to avoid that.
but there is a guy dressed as jesus telling him to go in peace. that made me chuckle.
:amaze:
Shell
10-07-2008, 01:46 PM
How about James 4: 11-12
Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?
:amaze:
10-07-2008, 01:49 PM
oh, nice. thats a good one.
:amaze:
Shell
10-07-2008, 01:49 PM
If he knows his bible, he'll tell you this:
He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you.
When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost.
Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.
mph4ever
10-07-2008, 02:04 PM
so there's this guy that comes to my campus every year and preaches, pointing people out and telling them they are going to hell for various reasons.
now, i haven't read the bible in a while, but i know there are passages that talk about not judging your neighbor. can anyone point out where these are so i can quote his own book against him?
also, he just told me that he is "morally perfect," which i doubt can be achieved by living humans (according to the bible) ... any passages that i could quote about this?
:amaze:
you should indulge him for the sake of once a year. i am sure he does a lot more good than those who do not have the faith he does. let him off. takes all sorts of people to make it interesting. life that is
:amaze:
10-07-2008, 02:11 PM
oh, it's not like i want him to change. i just like pointing out how ridiculous it is to his face using his own material.
:amaze:
mph4ever
10-07-2008, 02:44 PM
oh, it's not like i want him to change. i just like pointing out how ridiculous it is to his face using his own material.
:amaze:
i'm not suggesting you want to change him, just let him be, he does no harm, hes not the target you are looking for, let him pass
:amaze:
10-07-2008, 03:16 PM
i'm not suggesting you want to change him, just let him be, he does no harm, hes not the target you are looking for, let him pass
i'm not trying to play jesus here.
:amaze:
Serenity
10-07-2008, 03:16 PM
Tell him to shove a broomstick up his ***, to be honest.
No, really don't. On a serious note, have you tried to reason with him, using logic and common sense? He's looking for you to fight him on theological grounds; that's not going to work. You have to change tactics.
stevensonmat2
10-07-2008, 03:22 PM
can you can't talk to those kind of people, steve. He is set in his ways, and you will only frustrate yourself trying to reason with a guy like that. We have too regular dudesl ike that on campus; it's best to just smirk and walk past them.
mph4ever
10-07-2008, 03:22 PM
i'm not trying to play jesus here.
:amaze:
no, i am, turn the other cheek :lol:
Serenity
10-07-2008, 03:24 PM
can you can't talk to those kind of people, steve. He is set in his ways, and you will only frustrate yourself trying to reason with a guy like that. We have too regular dudesl ike that on campus; it's best to just smirk and walk past them.
Dude, I AM NOT ****ING STEVE. SEE OTHER THREAD FOR FURTHER CAPS LOCK AND FRUSTRATION.
Anyway, some of them can be. It really depends on the individual. My old drummer was Mormon to the bone but he could be reasoned with...we had many good long conversations.
stevensonmat2
10-07-2008, 03:40 PM
calm down steve, jesus
and yes some people can be reasoned with, but not those who travel the country calling out kids on campus for being gay.
BassRevelation0
10-07-2008, 03:40 PM
so there's this guy that comes to my campus every year and preaches, pointing people out and telling them they are going to hell for various reasons.
now, i haven't read the bible in a while, but i know there are passages that talk about not judging your neighbor. can anyone point out where these are so i can quote his own book against him?
Technically, he's not judging, however there is only one reason for hell: not accepting Christ.
To answer your question though, that ranges from "Judge not, lest ye be judged" Luke 6:36-38 to "take the plank out of your eye before you take the speck out of your neighbors" (Matthew 7:2-4). I really hope he learns conversational apologetics-condemnations like these may turn people away from the good news rather than open their eye to it.
also, he just told me that he is "morally perfect," which i doubt can be achieved by living humans (according to the bible) ... any passages that i could quote about this?
"For we all fall short of the glory..."
Romans 3:23: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
ok thats it
yeah that's not going to work ... he'll just retort that he's saved and therefore without sin.
:amaze:
Uh, then you would mention the fact that nobody is without sin regardless if they're "saved"
McP3000
10-07-2008, 04:49 PM
wow what an arrogant prick.
i mean regardless of how religious you are, or if youre even religious, we're all sinful.
People like this are so deluded.
Aaron
10-07-2008, 05:05 PM
You shouldn't try use the bible against him, or fight him with words. Just tell him that he shouldn't be so aggressive in his faith and realise that people have differing opinions. Contrary to the image that this board suggests quite often, zealous christians mean well, but they suck at communicating their intentions in ways that aren't accidentally offensive.
it's best to just smirk and walk past them.mature.
Mr. Ron
10-07-2008, 05:06 PM
Better yet tell him to not have faith at all. gg
McP3000
10-07-2008, 05:10 PM
he's sooooo religulous!
yeah, i bet he prays to himself more than God
You shouldn't try use the bible against him, or fight him with words. Just tell him that he shouldn't be so aggressive in his faith and realise that people have differing opinions. Contrary to the image that this board suggests quite often, zealous christians mean well, but they suck at communicating their intentions in ways that are accidentally offensive.
mature.
most of the time zealous christians have only the best intentions, they just dont understand they have a very poor viewpoint to communicate to people that aren't also zealous christians.
Better yet tell him to not have faith at all. gg
This is the type of person that would be a crazy anti-christian if he became atheist.
I mean his obscene behavior is obviously a characterization of who he is and less his actual faith.
stevensonmat2
10-07-2008, 05:12 PM
mature.
I think so. Rather than get into a pointless argument with the guy I would just laugh to myself and go about my business.
Aaron
10-07-2008, 05:13 PM
^ That's a fair point, except for the laughing.
McP3000: Yeah exactly. People who are used to talking to people from similar idealogical and religious standpoints struggle when they meet new people who differ from they're perception of what most people are. It's not his fault if he's not used to discussing the concepts with people from different walks of life, everyone has different levels of experience.
Mr. Ron
10-07-2008, 05:13 PM
The friars on my campus are pretty cool guys. They go out to bars with each other and drink. I'm jealous of their robes.
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McP3000
10-07-2008, 05:35 PM
^ That's a fair point, except for the laughing.
McP3000: Yeah exactly. People who are used to talking to people from similar idealogical and religious standpoints struggle when they meet new people who differ from they're perception of what most people are. It's not his fault if he's not used to discussing the concepts with people from different walks of life, everyone has different levels of experience.
well i completely agree, except i think this guy isnt just a zealous christian, this guy is an arrogant prick
The friars on my campus are pretty cool guys. They go out to bars with each other and drink. I'm jealous of their robes.
kick ***
i love protestant priests (for the most part)
I don't really know anything about Christianity or Christians. But I'm pretty sure they're flammable and also susceptible to stabbings.
McP3000
10-07-2008, 05:41 PM
gb2 power metal
So we'll fight against the wind for the glory of the kings
to defeat the evil enemies
And we'll ride with our lord for the power and the throne
in the name of holy thunderforce!
Castillo
10-07-2008, 06:25 PM
so there's this guy that comes to my campus every year and preaches, pointing people out and telling them they are going to hell for various reasons.
now, i haven't read the bible in a while, but i know there are passages that talk about not judging your neighbor. can anyone point out where these are so i can quote his own book against him?
also, he just told me that he is "morally perfect," which i doubt can be achieved by living humans (according to the bible) ... any passages that i could quote about this?
:amaze:
Chances are he's a closet homosexual, but because of all the catholic religious nonsense he's had crammed down his throat since he was born, he believes that that makes him a "bad boy." I know five people that this has happened to, and once they come out, they are fine.
McP3000
10-07-2008, 06:30 PM
Chances are he's a closet homosexual, but because of all the catholic religious nonsense he's had crammed down his throat since he was born, he believes that that makes him a "bad boy." I know five people that this has happened to, and once they come out, they are fine.
did they remain christian? out of curiosity...
Castillo
10-07-2008, 06:58 PM
did they remain christian? out of curiosity...
No they realized it was all nonsense.
siva_chair
10-10-2008, 05:19 AM
so there's this guy that comes to my campus every year and preaches, pointing people out and telling them they are going to hell for various reasons.
now, i haven't read the bible in a while, but i know there are passages that talk about not judging your neighbor. can anyone point out where these are so i can quote his own book against him?
also, he just told me that he is "morally perfect," which i doubt can be achieved by living humans (according to the bible) ... any passages that i could quote about this?
:amaze:
Tell him if you are going to hell then you will see him there.
Seriously, why would you even waste your time looking to get into a fight/debate with him?
Give me Beer
10-10-2008, 05:37 AM
If I remember correctly, pride is a sin, and saying you're morally perfect certain falls under that catagory.
siva_chair
10-10-2008, 05:43 AM
wat if you are tho
Then you wouldn't need to point it out to everyone, as sunshine and joy and drunk leprechauns would shoot out of your *** at all times.
but you do have to point it out to everyone tho because none of what you said actually is related to being morally perfect
siva_chair
10-10-2008, 06:20 AM
but you do have to point it out to everyone tho because none of what you said actually is related to being morally perfect
Dude the drunk midgets aka leprechauns will point it out for you once released. Who better to point these things out than someone who knows you inside and out?
JohnXDoe
10-10-2008, 07:32 AM
so there's this guy that comes to my campus every year and preaches, pointing people out and telling them they are going to hell for various reasons.
now, i haven't read the bible in a while, but i know there are passages that talk about not judging your neighbor. can anyone point out where these are so i can quote his own book against him?
also, he just told me that he is "morally perfect," which i doubt can be achieved by living humans (according to the bible) ... any passages that i could quote about this?
he sounds mental. point him to the nearest shrink
Meatplow
10-10-2008, 07:37 AM
so there's this guy that comes to my campus every year and preaches, pointing people out and telling them they are going to hell for various reasons.
now, i haven't read the bible in a while, but i know there are passages that talk about not judging your neighbor. can anyone point out where these are so i can quote his own book against him?
I might add where it says "do not judge your neighbour" this was coming from a time where they lived in select community of people and everyone else outside of it was a heathen or something
Well yeah but if he's Christian then he should know that Jesus redefined "neighbor" as anyone you come in contact with
siva_chair
10-10-2008, 10:34 AM
So does that mean when Mr. Rogers asked "Won't you be my neighbor?" he was asking a rhetorical question?
Meatplow
10-10-2008, 10:41 AM
Well yeah but if he's Christian then he should know that Jesus redefined "neighbor" as anyone you come in contact with
yeah but the new testament was bollocks
fire and brimstone is more entertaining to me
siva_chair
10-10-2008, 10:42 AM
Go be a Jew then.
Meatplow
10-10-2008, 10:47 AM
i haven't got the nose
siva_chair
10-10-2008, 10:50 AM
Plastic. Surgery.
Unless you can't afford that. Which in that case you should forget about ever being a Jew because you have to have money to be a Jew. Everyone knows that.
Meatplow
10-10-2008, 10:52 AM
i am ethically against plastic surgery, it is unjewish
siva_chair
10-10-2008, 11:05 AM
Hmm. Well if you have the money I'm sure the Jews will let you join their ranks, regardless of you nose's status.
Super Nintendo
10-13-2008, 02:05 PM
he is wrong, somewhere in acts 15 the disciples agreed with peter and paul that the law is not in use anymore since we are in the grace era. if he is morally correct, thats good for him but he should be more like preaching the salvation message instead of telling people that they are going to hell.
WhoDidTheElf
10-14-2008, 05:35 PM
He's prolly a Calvinist; don't worry that's what they do.
Smokey D
10-16-2008, 10:17 PM
If he was calvanist he wouldn't say he was morally perfect. Calvinism is about being saved in spite of your failings.
Pepe O'Hoolihan
10-17-2008, 08:49 AM
i used to troll these whackjobs until one time I was attacked by 10 or so of the jesus people on campus, it got real bad and the campus security had to come in and they called state police they were beating us with their bibles and screaming
best thing is to ignore them or get campus security, get the guy to act up and then they get banned from campus if they attack someone or threaten people then you dont have to listen to that crap everyday anymore
Judging is associating someone with his sin. But that doesn't matter, because a good reaction for people who offend you and blame you is to give them meekness and love and say sorry not regarding of whether you're right, wrong, good or bad.
interviewer02
10-18-2008, 08:26 AM
ask why at night he masturbates to gay sex movies and then cries himself to sleep.
TBrown87
10-25-2008, 11:50 AM
So, what did you end up saying?
TimJim
10-25-2008, 09:46 PM
so there's this guy that comes to my campus every year and preaches, pointing people out and telling them they are going to hell for various reasons.
now, i haven't read the bible in a while, but i know there are passages that talk about not judging your neighbor. can anyone point out where these are so i can quote his own book against him?
also, he just told me that he is "morally perfect," which i doubt can be achieved by living humans (according to the bible) ... any passages that i could quote about this?
:amaze:
what this arsehole is doing is giving people like me a bad name
you dont go and do that not only is that rude, but it doesnt make people want to repent, but merely dig in deeper into their "sin"
also, he cannot possibly be morally perfect if hes doing that.
that sonofabitch
hismajestythepope
10-25-2008, 10:56 PM
so there's this guy that comes to my campus every year and preaches, pointing people out and telling them they are going to hell for various reasons.
now, i haven't read the bible in a while, but i know there are passages that talk about not judging your neighbor. can anyone point out where these are so i can quote his own book against him?
also, he just told me that he is "morally perfect," which i doubt can be achieved by living humans (according to the bible) ... any passages that i could quote about this?
:amaze:
just be like "SILENCE THE HYPOCRITES"
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