I was wondering why no one has mentioned the Keating 5 Scandal..

[BassRevelation0]

Till Now

keatingeconomics.com

So the Obama camp has finally brought light to this issue by making a short documentary on McCain's involvement with the savings and loan scandal. The media has since remained silent on this throughout the election cycle, and I won't be surprised if they continue to do so.

Is this a good move to show how inept mccain is with financial/economic issues? Is this a nonsensical smear thats bringing up an irrelevant issue of the past? Discuss this doc.

[DBoons Ghost]

I have brought it up numerous times in rebuttles to Steve.

It gets ignored by him because Keating isn't a terrorist like Bill Ayers.

:rolleyes:

[Aaron]

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-brooks25-2008sep25,0,5467109.column

[BassRevelation0]

I have brought it up numerous times in rebuttles to Steve.

when i said no one i meant the MSM

[Serenity]

McCain's influence in the Keating situation was minimal, and even then he himself has called it the worst mistake of his life.

No one has mentioned it for the same reason no one mentions Obama's involvement with ACORN and what ACORN actually does below the surface.

...the same reason no one mentions anybody's involvement with anything until they think they can undermine someone's campaign with completely unrelated crap. Everyone's guilty of it, Republican and Democrat.

[DBoons Ghost]

Lol.. you call his involvement "minimal" and yet you can persecute for "guilty by association".


I'd love to hear your take on what ACORN does "below the surface"

[Serenity]

Being hired specifically to train most of the current staff is hardly guilty by "association".

Publicly defending a friend until you realise he's actually in the wrong is not really unheard of.

Everybody's campaigns are bringing up loads of crap though; they're both ridiculous. It just seems to me on this board (which seems radically liberal in most cases) that everybody is really, really one sided, to be honest.

[niobium]

idk $200,000 is a lot of hush money basically

"here let me fly you and your family and your housekeeper around wherever, don't worry about it"

only if they give you more than 500k can you grow suspicious

[Serenity]

No different than Obama's campaign dipping into the pockets of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae.

BTW, McCain and Keating were friends long before his (Keating's) contribution to McCain's campaigns.

[niobium]

thats seriously terrible judgement i mean on a level beyond a wag of the finger from the senate ethics committee

i'm going to notice if a lifelong friend suddently gives me a ton of money just for being an awesome bro

[Serenity]

thats seriously terrible judgement i mean on a level beyond a wag of the finger from the senate ethics committee

i'm going to notice if a lifelong friend suddently gives me a ton of money just for being an awesome broI dunno. If I was loaded I would give money out to good friends of mine who needed it for campaigns or whatever. It's just a nice thing to do for friends, at least in my eyes.

[niobium]

lol you

[Serenity]

You can't tell me that if you had billiions of dollars you wouldn't share a few hundred grand, haha.


Maybe it's just me.

[griftadan]

wait you're actually defending this? seriously? if he was dumb enough not to know what was going on then that also makes him look pretty bad

[Already_Taken]

this video explains very well, however it is obviously biased.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDofbll86dY&feature=iv&annotation_id=event_922988

[BassRevelation0]

um I already quoted the website, which was made for the video.

obviously its biased its meant to further someone's (obama's) purpose. Its not untrue, however.

[Akira]

No different than Obama's campaign dipping into the pockets of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae.

BTW, McCain and Keating were friends long before his (Keating's) contribution to McCain's campaigns.

So it's okay for a criminal to give you money and for you to in turn protect him as long as you are only protecting him because you are friends and he is only giving you money because you are friends and the things are in no way related?
Yeah, I totally see how that's better.

Besides, isn't it the Right saying that Obama is a horrible person for associating with Ayers? Why is McCain allowed to associate with criminals while they are committing crimes, but Obama can't associate with a criminal who doesn't commit crimes anymore?

[Smokey D]

Probably because terrorism is a more serious crime than fraud and corruption.

But let's not let that obscure that Obama's interaction with Ayers is pretty minimal.

[Serenity]

So it's okay for a criminal to give you money and for you to in turn protect him as long as you are only protecting him because you are friends and he is only giving you money because you are friends and the things are in no way related?
Yeah, I totally see how that's better.

Besides, isn't it the Right saying that Obama is a horrible person for associating with Ayers? Why is McCain allowed to associate with criminals while they are committing crimes, but Obama can't associate with a criminal who doesn't commit crimes anymore?

Whoa, buddy, I never said a thing about the Ayers thing. I think that's a load of bullshit too.

Obama was 8 years old when Ayers was doing his thing, and McCain had little knowledge of anything out of the ordinary going on when he accepted the contributions (Keating was convicted much later). Both stories are loads of crap purely designed to tear each other down.

[griftadan]

i really don't see how he couldn't have connected the dots on that one

[Akira]

Probably because terrorism is a more serious crime than fraud and corruption.

But let's not let that obscure that Obama's interaction with Ayers is pretty minimal.

Nah dude. They were on an anti-poverty board together. "Anti-poverty" is a codeword for TERRORISMZ!!!

[Serenity]

Lol ACORN now under investigation in 10 states for voter fraud...as if they weren't shady enough already.

Boy, Obama sure trained their staff very well. What a wonderful president he will be.



I also love how the only reason the FBI is conducting these massive investigations is to "suppress the minority vote". Conspiracy theory much? Lulz for ridiculousness.

[Smokey D]

Please show Obama has operational control of ACORN.

[Serenity]

I didn't say he had operational control of ACORN, lol. You're stretching my words to the max.

It is widely known he worked for ACORN, and was indeed hired to train many of their current administration staff. Also, ACORN contributed absurd amounts to Obama's campaign for the Senate directly afterwards. Just saying, some of these things are really shady to me.

[Smokey D]

If he has no operational control, holding him responsible for their actions are crazy.

[Serenity]

I didn't hold him responsible. I question why he surrounds himself and accepts support (and shows supprt for) such organisations.

I also made the observation that he trained half their administrative staff. An observation, not a point. I left it out there to be pondered.

I don't believe everything on the planet is always a coincidence, though. As I said, it just seems shady to me, especially when they are a taxpayer funded agency and supposedly bipartisan.

[Smokey D]

I didn't hold him responsible. I question why he surrounds himself and accepts support (and shows supprt for) such organisations.


I don't think he surrounds himself with that support. From what I understand, the people he's got surrounding himself are the luminaries of the Democratic party. As for accepting it, I see nothing critically wrong with accepting campaign donations from groups you don't necessarily agree with.



I also made the observation that he trained half their administrative staff. An observation, not a point. I left it out there to be pondered.

Yeah I don't think it's relevant.



I don't believe everything on the planet is always a coincidence, though. As I said, it just seems shady to me, especially when they are a taxpayer funded agency and supposedly bipartisan.

Okay but if you're going to make sling around innuendo and suggestions like that you have to do the leg work to show that there is at the least some operational connection between the two.

[hismajestythepope]

no he really does associate with those people

[Smokey D]

some operational connection between the two.

[Already_Taken]

no he really does associate with those people

"that one" would associate with "those people".

[Serenity]

some operational connection between the two.

Sen. Obama was ACORN's lawyer.

Sen Obama trained the current ACORN administration staff.

Sen. Obama's campaigns have, in return, received large amounts of money from the supposedly bipartisan, taxpayer funded agency.

Fairly operational to me.

[Smokey D]

Operational control means some level of control which can be imputed to the principal. If anything it sounds like Obama was working for ACORN.

[Serenity]

True, but I don't think that absolves either party involved of anything. Voter fraud and scandalous donation is still shady.