"I may not answer the question..."

[Babble]

Biden/Palin Debate.

Discuss

[McP3000]

debate sucks

[Babble]

palin is doin well


well, actually she's crashing and burning hard.

[McP3000]

She's crashing and burning
Biden is getting by with his usual nonsense and appeal, but he's not doing well overall. Just compared to Palin.

[mattspurplepen]

man it wasn't great but that part towards the beginning with Palin not answering the question was classy! haha
even though i don't really like joe biden's attitude and slightly annoying persona, Sarah Palin is absolutely terrible when it comes to presenting herself. The two parties seem a bit too similar at many points. the gay marriage thing and a few others didn't seem like issues that should be the same.

[okay]

She's crashing and burning
Biden is getting by with his usual nonsense and appeal, but he's not doing well overall. Just compared to Palin.

lol

[Babble]

"with all due respect, I didn't hear much of a plan."

[Mr. Ron]

I think both of them are doing ok, but Biden overall is better with his answers.

[mattspurplepen]

Palin: Scale down gov. we don't have many ideas but we hate big gov!
now doggonit we don't have any differences with bush but we'll pretend/

[McP3000]

i think people overemphasize how similar McCain and Bush would be.

However, just because McCain isnt like Bush doesnt mean it will be inherently good either...

[SnackaryBinx]

"maverick maverick mccain maverick john maverick."
-Sarah Palin in VP debates

[BridgeToSolace]

"That's where John tapped me and said 'That's where I want you'..."

Oh, Palin. How farcical are thee.

[Mr. Ron]

McCain basically voted like, over 90% with Bush on things, so.

[BridgeToSolace]

McCain, unlike Obama, was actually a senator before Bush' presidency.

[RNR]

I'm watching the Canadian debate. Obama, McCain, Palin, and Biden would all embarrass themselves debating any of the Canadian politicians.

[Mr. Ron]

I wish Biden would speak a bit more energetically.

[BridgeToSolace]

I was impressed with Biden. I thought he made his points well.

[Mr. Ron]

Did you guys text vote?

[808]

I laughed after Biden talked about his family tragedy and how he didn't know whether his children were going to make it because there was nothing Palin could say to follow that up. Overall, the debate was alright. This is my first time watching the debates so I have nothing to compare them to, but I didn't think it was terrible. For some reason I feel like Biden held himself back.

[Tillius]

Man Palin's ****ing winking was getting on my goddamn nerves.

[Hedgedive]

I would say Biden is destroying her but really she's destroying herself.

[808]

Also, a few people I know have complained about her accent. It never bothered me before but after listening to her talk for such a long time, it really does start to grate on your nerves.

[SnackaryBinx]

"Your average Joe six pack or hockey mom"

I lol'd so damn hard when she said that.

[mattspurplepen]

shout out to all my third graders!

[Tillius]

Every time she said something like hurtin' or goin', or anything with in' at the end of it I had to laugh a little.

[Mr. Ron]

Oh **** her hockey mom bullshit. She makes 6 figures.

[mattspurplepen]

... " americans vote on the presentation of each person, not the issues" - republican strategy

[Mr. Ron]

Why does she think that the traditional meaning of marriage is between a man and a woman? Its not.

[BridgeToSolace]

Yeah, the gay portion of the debate was a little odd. She dodged it well, though.

[Swill_Merchant]

If I hear one more person saying that "Palin did well" I will smack my ****ing head into a wall until I bleed.

[Joe]

Man, he crushed her.

[Mr. Ron]

If she was good at anything, it was her energy delivering her message. Albeit a retarded one.

[Babble]

i couldnt figure out what the message was

[mattspurplepen]

"her youbetcha excited me greatly" (in the genital region) The gay portion on both sides was stupid. If they are willing to give gays all the same benefits why not just call it marriage. it wont shake any foundations or do **** haha

[Swill_Merchant]

She said nothing the whole ****ing debate.

[SWard325]

****

[Seafroggys]

Yeah the CNN analyists are holding her to a ****ing different standard, its pissing me off.

He pissed on her, hard.

The gay thing was dumb though.

[Mr. Ron]

"Drill baby drill!"

[Babble]

he was very nice to her

like he was just pissing and she accidentally crawled into the stream and then he tried to move and she crawled back into it and so he just shat on her

[SWard325]

some guy in school was trying to convince me that sarah palin is a real politician

[Detective Dan]

debate was boring

palin did surprisingly well, i was expecting her to totally get destroyed

biden did pretty much as expected

[Babble]

I honestly believe biden was giving her an easy time because he didn't want to seem reckless

she had a hard time putting basic sentences together and only answered half of the questions, maybe, and certainly only after meandering through bullshit for two minutes.

[Mr. Ron]

I love how she got basically all of McCain's voting record wrong.

[Raayl]

she got so many facts wrong...it was absolutely disgusting. choosing this woman as a VP candidate is a farce.

She didn't get the number of troops in iraq right, because no doubt she flat out didnt know.

She quoted a CIVIL WAR GENERAL when trying to quote somebody else.

She downright lied about McCain's voting record, either that or she just didn't know/couldn't remember. neither of which would surprise me in the slightest

i could go on, but those are the major points. she is a disgrace to the already dwindling reputation of american politics and in my opinion trumps george w bush as literally one of the most embarrassing political figures in american history.

[Raayl]

you can HEAR that she is little more than a student cramming for a test - she knows some answers that managed to stay in her very short term memory, while other facts go completely out the window. She knows nothing about foreign policy, she knows nothing about economic policy...she knows nothing about anything.

there is no defense for this choice as VP. none. absolutely nothing.

[Detective Dan]

yeah but she's truly a maverick and a washington outsider

[redskyformiles]

As an American, I sincerely apologize for the bullshit that passes as politics in this country.

[Raayl]

yeah but she's truly a maverick and a washington outsider

i don't know why being a "maverick" is a quality the american people seem to love so much...

"hey guys, elect me i dont care what other people say i'll do whatever i want"

[BassRevelation0]

Responding with talking points does not mean one did well.

With substance, she failed. Biden was good only because she was across the aisle from him. Unbelievable this nonsense

[UmphreysHead]

I honestly believe biden was giving her an easy time because he didn't want to seem reckless

she had a hard time putting basic sentences together and only answered half of the questions, maybe, and certainly only after meandering through bullpoop for two minutes.
This is the reason I hate for a lot of liberals.

[Detective Dan]

i honestly don't think that she did that bad tonight


but with that said this woman legitimately scares me

[Raayl]

Responding with talking points does not mean one did well.

With substance, she failed. Biden was good only because she was across the aisle from him. Unbelievable this nonsense

i completely agree.

the ONLY defense i've ever seen anybody propose and try to pass as not a pile of steaming dogshit for palin is that obama is equally inexperienced

yeah cept i don't like obama either oops your argument sucks

not to mention there's a difference between palin and obama...obama is educated.

[Raayl]

i honestly don't think that she did that bad tonight


but with that said this woman legitimately scares me

when you are one 72 year old's heartbeat away from controlling the majority of the war in iraq's direction and you don't even know the number of soldiers currently deployed there you not only don't deserve to be president you don't deserve to be a cashier at wal-mart

[UmphreysHead]

I think that the chances of Obama either getting assassinated or attempted to is much higher than McCain dying.



I loved it when Palin brought up all the **** Biden was talking about Obama previous to him being his VP and Biden just stood there really awkwardly and tried to laugh it off.

[WhoDidTheElf]

when you are one 72 year old's heartbeat away from controlling the majority of the war in iraq's direction and you don't even know the number of soldiers currently deployed there you not only don't deserve to be president you don't deserve to be a cashier at wal-mart

Personally I'd rather have some one disconnected from Washington rather than the same garbage that gets recycled every 2/6 years.

And tbh I doubt many people know the exact number of soldiers deployed in Iraq.

On the debate though, it was pretty crappy. It seemed like a watered down version of the McCain/Obama debate. The only difference was that Biden seemed like the run of the mill senator repeating the same crap, and Palin seemed like a n00b.

[g°®†]

Oh **** her hockey mom bullshit. She makes 6 figures.

Hockey is an expensive sport to put your kid through. :smash:


i couldnt figure out what the message was


Basically, if you give people a 5K discount on medicare, and reduce taxes for large corporations, and focus on Alaskan oil, you create jobs nation-wide.


:thumb:

[Detective Dan]

don't forget about special needs children and parents

[g°®†]

I absolutely loved how she never directly answered a question --- The only one she answered firmly on was on gay marriage. All of her answers were run-arounds and she repeatedly returned to topics that were already discussed and completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.


It was also fun to see her state "naivete" when referring to the Obama/Biden campaign.

[Sleep]

I'm watching the Canadian debate. Obama, McCain, Palin, and Biden would all embarrass themselves debating any of the Canadian politicians.

oh my god yes. does any body else find american politics ridiculously simplistic? it's like 'debate moderator: umm, do you think TAXES are GOOOOOD or BAAAAAD' and then the republican guy will be like THEY ARE VERY BAD and the democrat will be all the more dimensional by saying YES WELL SOMETIMES THEY ARE GOOOD. my anus could debate policy in a more thoughtful way.

[thunderzstruck]

my anus could debate policy in a more thoughtful way.
i highly doubt that

[g°®†]

And that's why Canada is hardly ever mentioned in world affairs. :rolleyes:

[Sleep]

i highly doubt that

i can prove it

[thunderzstruck]

k, do it

[Tillius]

I liked how she tried to play it off as a joke that she had said she didn't know what a vice president does.

[:amaze:]

all i have to say is that i can't wait to watch the daily show/colbert report tomorrow.




:amaze:

[Rams]

Neither Biden nor Palin did well. Both sounded very canned in their answers minus Biden's random rambling about his tragedy. The questions were completely irrelevant as it turned into a "well McCain is a jerk" and "Obama isn't very nice" type slander from each other. Very seldom did either of them answer or address the question proposed. Both basically acknowledged that their job was useless and to look at the presidential candidates.

[Detective Dan]

yeah, Biden dodged just as much as Palin did tbh

[Seafroggys]

To paraphrase John Adams, our first vice president "The position is a joke."

I mean, Biden disagrees with Obama on certain issues, but he couldn't address them here because all they can do is support their primary.

[Reaganista]

i didnt watch but i gather from the overall tone of this thread that palin did a lot better than ppl thought she would and therefore won by lower expectations

[Already_Taken]

she won if you were voting on cute. as far as substance she had none. zero.

[Detective Dan]

i guess you could say she won if you ignore that questions where asked

[Reaganista]

ok. that's what ive done if you somehow didnt notice

[Iscariot]

biden's "bridge to nowhere" comment was comedy gold

and between palin staring at her notes the entire time and winking at the camera every other sentence i wanted to reach through the tv and choke the life out of her

[Reaganista]

stupid woman who does she think she is trying to get a man's job

[Shell]

People here always look at me oddly when I tell them palin is an idiot. Even moreso when I say "have you ever heard her speak?"

[mattspurplepen]

haha/ hilary would've owned biden i think...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjvDp4JCB-Q
she actually presented herself quite well in the interviews/ other things i have seen. its too bad she couldn't have been vp.. some people were pretty close-minded who supported obama, like they hated hillary when she and obama have many similar views. seemed ridic to me but whateverr

[okay]

People here always look at me oddly when I tell them palin is an idiot. Even moreso when I say "have you ever heard her speak?"


maybe you accidentally moved to a school for the deaf and blind, except all of the blind kids are on a field trip?

[Iscariot]

but really did palin have something in her eye why did she keep winking at the camera

[okay]

she thought it would help make her look more amiable

[g°®†]

I'm that guy, in any crowd, who says that I WOULD in fact kick her [Palin] out of my bed.


She is NOT hot. :o

[okay]

she's about as hot as she is eloquent

[Seafroggys]

Tina Fey's impersonation of Palin is much hotter.

But then again, Tina Fey is hot to begin with, you can't really lose.

[Give me Beer]

...and I thought our politicians dodged too many questions. Although Palin would so fit in with the Vlaams Belang. She could be good friends with Van Asschen, who got conned by some African guy that claimed he could triple his money with a special powder that you put on the bills (funny stuff if you are part of a xenophobic party).

[Joe]

:lol:

I can't believe there are actually people that think she won the debate. Rather, I can't believe there are people outside of Alaska who really think she won the debate.

[DBoons Ghost]

Watching that made me ashamed.

As the debates always seem to.

Why would I feel shame when watching these people? If they represent the the best we got, how the hell have we even gotten this far?

[Reductio]

Well they don't represent the best we've got.

Edit: I think I misinterpreted you. Never mind.

[DBoons Ghost]

Well they don't represent the best we've got.

Edit: I think I misinterpreted you. Never mind.

I meant of politicans.

Intelligent Americans know better then to enter public office. :p

[Mister_Che]

Anyone else notice how massive her flag pin was?

[south_of_heaven 11]

Why does she think that the traditional meaning of marriage is between a man and a woman? Its not.

I mean I'm pretty sure marriage, in the past (hence traditional) is defined as between a man and a woman. So what exactly do you mean by this?

And no I'm not trying to start a gay-marriage debate itt but I'm confused as to what you meant.

[Chu]

It would be interesting if McCain won and she did become the Vice President!

[Reaganista]

I mean I'm pretty sure marriage, in the past (hence traditional) is defined as between a man and a woman. So what exactly do you mean by this?

And no I'm not trying to start a gay-marriage debate itt but I'm confused as to what you meant.

traditional marriage is between a man and as many women as he could afford to buy

[Mister_Che]

I mean I'm pretty sure marriage, in the past (hence traditional) is defined as between a man and a woman. So what exactly do you mean by this?

It was a contract between two families so they could trade between themselves. A trade agreement. I think that's what he's getting at.

And throw what Tway said on top of that.

[south_of_heaven 11]

Oh ok I follow you now. Thanks.

[masada]

debate needed more gosh darnits

[808]

Oh, I almost lost it when she said that.

[masada]

she talks just like me! i think i'll vote for that mccain fella.

[Kage]

she talks just like me! i think i'll vote for that mccain fella.

rofl

[Joe]

Anyone else notice how massive her flag pin was?

Yes! It was almost as large as her hair!

[sLarkin20]

She's just a regular ol hockey mom that don't speak that White House language!

She is just so down to earth!

[Shady Ultima]

I think Biden finished her off when he went off about the 'Maverick' lines. I hope the Obama camp uses those stats as an ad, because the 'Maverick' doesn't stand against anything that hurts us.

But Palin was a joke last night. There was a point at the end where it looked like she had a cell phone that she took out of her pocket, and pulled something away from her head, as if it was an earpiece.

And she kept going back to Alaska, and her own 'experience'. She comes from a state that has a population less then the south side of Chicago, which she attacks Obama for being a community organizer for.

[masada]

i wish biden would've been a little more energetic/tuff

[Joe]

He couldn't have been more tough then he was because then they would have claimed that he was mean.

He did look a little tired, though.

[masada]

not as tired as Palin is of washington insider elites and not walking the walk

[g°®†]

on the subject of traditional marriage: Hooray for progressive thinking :rolleyes: (republicans)

[masada]

biden and obama's opinions aren't totally different on that

[Joe]

biden and obama's opinions aren't totally different on that

I think everyone is a little quick to jump on Gay Marriage because candidates would still lose so many votes. I'm all for it, but I'm glad they can agree on companion's rights.

not as tired as Palin is of washington insider elites and not walking the walk

I love when she said she's clearly not a Washington insider - because she isn't in any aspect. She doesn't read the newspaper.

And it's more "woking the wok" and "tawking the tawk"

[EarthLadenFingers]

is sarah palin like even a real person

like I still can't get over that

[EarthLadenFingers]

Why does she think that the traditional meaning of marriage is between a man and a woman? Its not.

traditionally isn't it between a man and a whole bunch of womenz

[Mister_Che]

More to it. See above.

[Serenity]

Palin looked about as I thought she would on actual issues; she performed (debate-wise) a little better than I expected though. Biden was an excellent debator as usual.

Regardless of performance, I don't like Biden and never did. I'm definitely wary of Palin's lack of experience and resolve (and the fact she's a bit naive), but I think Biden is an extremely crooked individual and would not want him as president if something were to happen to Sen. Obama.

[Raayl]

traditionally isn't it between a man and a whole bunch of womenz

in ancient matriarchal societies, the tribal female leaders would participate in ritualistic gangbangs to disguise and alienate the fathers and further condescend the role of men in the culture

and marriage was between one woman and a certain number of men

so to suggest that the "traditional definition of marriage" is one man and one woman is just ridiculous - we all know their entire world view is based around the patriarchal perception cultivated by the christian bible. cause if you don't base your world view on the christian bible, you can't get elected in america.

[Already_Taken]

i think patriarchal societies predate the bible by a long shot. these societies started when humans started fighting for land.

[Raayl]

i think patriarchal societies predate the bible by a long shot. these societies started when humans started fighting for land.

i never said they didn't.

[Rams]

Palin looked about as I thought she would on actual issues; she performed (debate-wise) a little better than I expected though. Biden was an excellent debator as usual.

I don't get why people thought Palin was going to come off horribly in the debate. She's still a politician and has been prepping for this thing for 3 weeks now. People need to realize that the debates are bunch of canned answers with a little improv in between to tie them together. The only real mistakes she was making was acknowledging she wasn't going to answer the questions rather than just doing it. Biden was much more fluid in ignoring the questions which helps because no one ever remembers the questions.

Some of the stuff people are attacking Palin for in this thread are retarded. Disliking someone because they try to act folksy and down to earth is no different than liking them because of it. It doesn't affect the issues or indicate how they will perform in their position, so who cares? Getting facts such as numbers and names wrong don't really matter; they are mistakes that arise from spur of the moment talking. If the names/numbers are involved in something serious she would easily just look them up somewhere.

I'm more worried that Palin doesn't really show any space for help or mistakes in her plans (the few she has). Sounds too much like she thinks her (John McCain's) way is the only right way. On top of that she has no real basis for predicting success as she love to point out she is an inexperienced outsider. It seems the democrats are more vocal in that they will accept help in rebuilding the country. The president is going to be elected for the next 4 years, not the next 4 months and being able to adapt to the situation is important. Back in '04 the vote was based around the war in Iraq and everyone ignored the economic positions of the candidates. It was myopic for people to vote based simply on the most prevalent issue at the time as more issues arise over the 4 years.

I don't think Obama and Biden are perfect but I feel they'd be better equipped for future problems than McCain and Palin.

[sLarkin20]

It's not disliking her because she is trying to act down to earth and folksy, it's disliking her because she needs to knock that **** off and talk about what really matters, and not try to convince the world that she's just a regular ol hockey mom that just happens to be a vice presidential candidate!

[Reaganista]

why does that not "really matter"

[sLarkin20]

Because I just said it doesn't?

[Reaganista]

so you seriously have no reason

[sLarkin20]

Ok.

[Reaganista]

so you seriously have no reason??:confused:??:confused:??:confused:?? that was a question in case it was unclear my apologies

[sLarkin20]

It's np.

[Mr. Ron]

I mean I'm pretty sure marriage, in the past (hence traditional) is defined as between a man and a woman. So what exactly do you mean by this?

And no I'm not trying to start a gay-marriage debate itt but I'm confused as to what you meant.

marriage was about passing land on and securing status and bloodlines.

[Iscariot]

marriage was about passing land on and securing status and bloodlines.

and it was between a man and a woman

[Mr. Ron]

and it was between a man and a woman

Not all the time.

[McP3000]

who cares what traditional marriage was between neanderthals, all we need to do is define what it should mean now

[Mr. Ron]

marriage should simply be defined as two humans in a legal union.

[Mister_Che]

who cares what traditional marriage was between neanderthals, all we need to do is define what it should mean now

It matters because that's a common (and lame) argument that too many people rely on.

[Serenity]

marriage should simply be defined as two humans in a legal union.

That's not under scrutiny. What's under debate is whether any two humans' union should be recognised legally.

I believe gay marriage should be legal, so long as the same criteria and vows apply in that union as in a traditional union.

[Iscariot]

Not all the time.

prove it

and i'm not against gay marriage i just think it's kind of stupid to try to devalue the history of marriage and twist it into something it's not to fit a liberal ideal of fairness

i wouldn't burn down a church for letting two gays marry tho

[Mr. Ron]

prove it

and i'm not against gay marriage i just think it's kind of stupid to try to devalue the history of marriage and twist it into something it's not to fit a liberal ideal of fairness

i wouldn't burn down a church for letting two gays marry tho

I'm not going to google something you can yourself. But it was often the practice of several greek states to have two or more men engage in a sort of civil union to pass on things.


Straights are the ones devaluing marriage btw.

[Iscariot]

google revealed nothing relevant

[Mr. Ron]

google revealed nothing relevant

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_same-sex_unions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Greece#Historical_adult_m ale_couples

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage

[Iscariot]

i thought we were looking for reliable sources i avoided wikipedia because i thought that was part of the rules

[Mr. Ron]

they're all cited to reputable sources.

[SWard325]

I sat down in history today and the kid next to me says, "wow Sarah Palin kicked *** in that debate" and he was not joking and I had nothing to say

her attempts at being cute are so repulsive i can't stand it, its even worse that its actually working on some people

[g°®†]

i thought we were looking for reliable sources i avoided wikipedia because i thought that was part of the rules



this



I heard somewhere, though, that you have to be a registered teacher/professor or equivalent title to edit the pages.

[EarthLadenFingers]

"people are gonna get tired of you lookin' in the past and doin' the blame game"

this



I heard somewhere, though, that you have to be a registered teacher/professor or equivalent title to edit the pages.



no, anyone can edit wikipedia

but they're all cited like mr ron said

[Babble]

I heard somewhere, though, that you have to be a registered teacher/professor or equivalent title to edit the pages.

as if that changes anything lol

[Reaganista]

marriage = men buying women for the purpose of slavery and legal rape

[Rams]

If marriage is going to carry the religious undertones that it does, I don't see why it should be recognized by the state at all. Just make everyone apply for a civil union between the two parties if they want to give benefits for stable couples.

[Dave de Sylvia]

and it was between a man and a woman
It was also between master and property.

[Tyrant21]

marriage = men buying women for the purpose of slavery and legal rape

actually, most of the time didn't the man marrying the women get lots of money in the past? Dowry of some sort?

anyways, this has strayed way off topic, palin looked as if all she did was memorize a few lines they had prepped her for, repeating information that on more then a few occasions was downright wrong. Biden did about as expected, I not necessarily a huge fan, but if anyone would seriously rather have palin in office then somebody who actually knows what they are doing I would question their intelligence

[gregulus]

Palin officially dropped the Ayers bomb the other day. Steve is stoked.

[SnackaryBinx]

lol, she quoted the new york times and said that byers and obama were good pals.

[Jude]

Debate was very embarrassing for Palin

but every article I've read has decided that since she didn't forget what she was talking about in mid-sentence and start talking about how dinosaurs co-existed with Bible times, she "won by not losing" wtf

Anyway zero can get more pumped about her now she's talking about Bill Ayers.....anyone remember when she got picked, he was all excited, like "she was my pick for the longest time!!!!!" when nobody including him had ever heard of her once?

[SnackaryBinx]

jesus rode the dinosaurs tbh.

[free_thinkers_are_dangerous]

If Palin ever becomes president, I'm going to send threatening letters to the White House with a return adress at the Kremlin and see if I can start a war with Russia.

[Already_Taken]

you could probably do that right now

[Reaganista]

actually, most of the time didn't the man marrying the women get lots of money in the past? Dowry of some sort?
dowry and bride price have existed as alternatives or together throughout history dowry is more complicated than a simple payment but bride price really is just men buying women

[hismajestythepope]

If Palin ever becomes president, I'm going to send threatening letters to the White House with a return adress at the Kremlin and see if I can start a war with Russia.

thats really really sexist

[g°®†]

If Palin ever becomes president, I'm going to send threatening letters to the White House with a return adress at the Kremlin and see if I can start a war with Russia.



If Palin ever becomes President, I'm moving to Russia!

[SWard325]

Sweden for me

[SnackaryBinx]

I'm just gonna masturbate until we get nuked.

[Iscariot]

It was also between master and property.

what you mean like owning slaves

i want a slave

[Chu]

What's this about Palin saying "Obama supports terrorism against his own country" or something, I'm sure the Australian media has to be taking this out of context.. She couldn't, could she? :eek:

[Iscariot]

i didn't hear anything of the sort when i watched the debate

both palin and biden were very polite but very supportive of their ideals

[Chu]

I don't think it was during the debate, but just watching the Australian news, and they mentioned it (American election is pretty big news here!)

Edit: Didn't want to start a new thread, as this one is already about Palin to an extent, although I guess there are a few anyway, I had this one in my subscriptions, and meh, I'm lazy.

[Iscariot]

oh well even outside of the debate i never heard anything that ridiculous

[Chu]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/6040157.html

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/04/palin.obama/index.html

Not quite as massive as the Australian media made it out to be!

[Iscariot]

ugh she's so dumb

[Chu]

I honestly hope McCain doesn't win, not because I disagree with him in anyway (I don't particularly care for American politics), but just because I think if Palin serves as his vice-president and on the off-chance that McCain does cark it (and come on, he's 72, and already at times seems a bit out of it), that she gets put into the most powerful position in the world.

I think he just made a really stupid publicity stunt, in hopes it would attract voters, without thinking of the repercussions.

[hismajestythepope]

idk i dont think palin is as stupid as she lets on

i mean, enough people voted her into office in alaska, right?

and she seems to be running things in alaska rather well.

[Chu]

Why would you make people think you're stupid?!

Argh, the mind boggles.

[hismajestythepope]

to appeal to a certain demographic, to get your political opponents to underestimate you, etc. etc.

politicians are sleezy and will put on an act for any number of reasons.

[guitrguy]

how would underestimating palin help the campaign?

[Chu]

What?! People are more likely to vote for an idiot? I don't understand this, but I realize what you're saying, it's just me being a dick head.

[hismajestythepope]

no, but the simple country bumpkin might be more willing to vote for a down to earth all american girl

and lets face it nascar is the most popular sport in our nation
how would underestimating palin help the campaign?
way to ignore the rest of the post

[guitrguy]

because I see reason behind the other parts?

[hismajestythepope]

okay lets look at it this way.

if you come off as a shrewd contender in a political situation, others will see you as a threat, theyll delve more deeply into your personal motivations, theyll ask you more important questions (which lets face it palin doesnt want this, she wants to seem simple for the simple man), theyll try harder to slander you, etc. etc.

where if your enemies think youre stupid, theyll just blow off what you have to say and tell everyone how stupid you are, and then end up mind blown when you actually prove them wrong.

anyhow im not in the mind of sarah palin, but brian you almost seemed smart there, what with your inability to think outside the box.

[Chu]

no, but the simple country bumpkin might be more willing to vote for a down to earth all american girl

and lets face it nascar is the most popular sport in our nation
It's depressing :(

[hismajestythepope]

i know, isnt it?

i didnt like palin until i read about how she dealt with the previously unchecked ambitions of oil companies up in alaska.

and well, im starting to like mccain and palins whole anti-selfish-ambition-within-the-government thing

[guitrguy]

okay lets look at it this way.

if you come off as a shrewd contender in a political situation, others will see you as a threat, theyll delve more deeply into your personal motivations, theyll ask you more important questions (which lets face it palin doesnt want this, she wants to seem simple for the simple man), theyll try harder to slander you, etc. etc.

where if your enemies think youre stupid, theyll just blow off what you have to say and tell everyone how stupid you are, and then end up mind blown when you actually prove them wrong.

anyhow im not in the mind of sarah palin, but brian you almost seemed smart there, what with your inability to think outside the box.
except the media is trying to ask her important questions. Their success in doing so is another story. She might be playing out the simpleness, but I see that has harming the campaign more than helping.


and you almost went a whole post without trying to insult me.

[Iscariot]

palin has this high school view of the political arena that sounds great to undereducated activists with no experience in the real world but looks pathetic and hilarious to anyone with more than half a brain

[hismajestythepope]

palin has this high school view of the political arena that sounds great to undereducated activists with no experience in the real world but looks pathetic and hilarious to anyone with more than half a brain

you dont actually know about anything shes done in her political career, do you?

except the media is trying to ask her important questions. Their success in doing so is another story. She might be playing out the simpleness, but I see that has harming the campaign more than helping.
well no, 50% of news sources are saying obama/biden won the debats, and the other 50% are saying mccain/palin won the debate

and the whole country bumpkin thing helped bush, didnt it?

just saying

[Iscariot]

you dont actually know about anything shes done in her political career, do you?

i've read her entire bio and i don't see how any of the "achievements" she's made in the wilderness of alaska qualifies her to run for the VP seat

add her insane religious ideals (super christian level 10) and it's like voting for bush on steroids

[hismajestythepope]

i think mccain picked her based off of the fact that her campaigns in alaska were predominantly in the name of stamping out corruption, much like his own in arizona and in the senate

but you know, dealing away with self-serving power hungry politicians isnt a big deal or anything

[Iscariot]

how ironic she's "anti-corruption" and she's a republican

[hismajestythepope]

you realize that if mccain/palin come to power theyre going to go against self-serving republicans and democrats alike, right?

like, remember that time mccain voted against bushs supreme court justice choices?

[Iscariot]

i could almost take you seriously enough to give you a detailed intelligent response if you weren't defending the hockey mom candidate

[hismajestythepope]

i editted my post because i realized youd think it means you know what youre talking about, but i guess i was too slow

[Iscariot]

mccain voting against bush's supreme court nominees does nothing to invalidate the fact that he's voted in line with bush more than twice as often as he's voted against him

[hismajestythepope]

did i say it does?

and does that prove that he wont push for a less self-serving congress?

see idk, making sure that the government serves the interests of the people just seems somewhat more imporant to me than making sure the republicans dont get elected

[Iscariot]

yeah it does as a matter of fact

the whole "cutting taxes on the banks and taxing the **** out of your healthcare" speaks wonders about his policies

[hismajestythepope]

no, thats just means in congress he votes for his personal beliefs you dumbass. he is a republican.

beautifully enough though hell try to keep things balanced between republicans and democrats.

[Chu]

and the whole country bumpkin thing helped bush, didnt it?
Didn't Bush have some affiliation with Texas before-hand though? (Texas being the biggest state in the US? He was doing good, I don't know).
And obviously his father...

I don't understand how you can link Bush and Palin...

[Iscariot]

how does voting for his personal beliefs instead of voting for the good of the nation make him less of an idiot

why are you calling me a dumbass when you can't provide anything that makes these people look like less than a gaggle of geese with suits

[hismajestythepope]

Didn't Bush have some affiliation with Texas before-hand though? (Texas being the biggest state in the US? He was doing good, I don't know).
And obviously his father...

I don't understand how you can link Bush and Palin...


they both play at being stupid yet they somehow rose to the position of governor, and then ended up on presidential bills?

how does voting for his personal beliefs instead of voting for the good of the nation make him less of an idiot
maybe he personally believes that his beliefs would be for the good of the nation? does that mean that he will censor others who disagree with him and disallow them to disagree with him?

why are you calling me a dumbass when you can't provide anything that makes these people look like less than a gaggle of geese with suits

dude you live with your parents because you arent educated outside of the manufacturing industry according to this post:
http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?p=15892821 (link provided by one leeb haxxor)

and also, you think anything you dislike is laughable because youre a bitter retard who wont admit that his life sucks because of his own personal choices

so yeah, any point ill make youll think omg palin and mccain are so dumb thats why theyre in seats of political power and you live with your mom

[Iscariot]

they both play at being stupid yet they somehow rose to the position of governor, and then ended up on presidential bills?

and that has absolutely nothing to do with party affiliation and the positions advised by their campaign coordinators right

it's definitely all about the candidate

[hismajestythepope]

um actually no its all about the house and the senate you ****ing idiot

thats where things get passed

[Iscariot]

when did the senate start electing presidential candidates and state governors

please do tell

[hismajestythepope]

uhh, thats not at all what i was saying?

[Iscariot]

uhh yeah it was maybe you should re-read the last three posts

sorry if i'm leaving you behind gays aren't very good at reading from what i've heard

[hismajestythepope]

lol wow i totally misread your post epic fail on my part. i thought you were saying that the president is in charge of passing laws etc. etc.

but in the case of what you said, what is that even supposed to mean. you didnt argue against anything i said, you just regurgitated the whole "bush/palin is a puppet" thing that everybody says

[Shell]

bush was supposedly a great governor, yet is the worst president ever

palin spends too much time trying to look cute and convince people that she's a soccer mom

it's like i told my dad today- i don't want my mom running the freaking country, she doesn't know ****

[hismajestythepope]

bush was supposedly a great governor, yet is the worst president ever
lol are you kidding me? im not saying he was a great president, but there were much worse presidents, do you not recall andrew jackson?

palin spends too much time trying to look cute and convince people that she's a soccer mom

it's like i told my dad today- i don't want my mom running the freaking country, she doesn't know ****
shes also the governor of an american state, something you need to spend years at school persuing, so yeah idk maybe she does know ****?

[Shell]

her education is in journalism/communication, and she doesn't present herself as one who is well-educated at all

Wasilla, Alaska has less than 10,000 people... all of Alaska has about 670,000

[hismajestythepope]

670,000 is a lot of people...

and well then, as shes educated in journalism/communications, wouldnt it make more sense that shes moreso playing a game to manipulate specific (country bumpkin) demographics?

like

the democratic party appeals to the poor, the elderly, those in college, etc. while the republican party appeals to 'all americans', buisinesses (small buisiness and large corps alike), and what not.

[Shell]

I don't blame her for it, because it will fool a lot of... fools. But when it comes down to it, I don't think she's smart enough for the job. She focuses on how she's a Washington outsider, but I don't necessarily think that will be to her benefit.

[hismajestythepope]

i think the washington outsider thing is to try and woo independents, because at the moment the democratic party has more independent support (somehow, when you consider mccain and palin's plans)

also, if you really take the time to look at how shes handled things in alaska youd realize shes a pretty shrewd politician

edit: actually now that ive come to consider it, a lot of independents, myself included, seem to have this preconceived notion of intellectual-superiority, and i guess if you spend a lot of time convincing yourself that you know better than anyone, you might not want to vote for someone who comes off the way palin tries to

[Shell]

depends on whose story you listen to :)

[McP3000]

lol women and politics

[hismajestythepope]

**** you

[DekWannaBFlea]

you dont actually know about anything shes done in her political career, do you?


well no, 50% of news sources are saying obama/biden won the debats, and the other 50% are saying mccain/palin won the debate

and the whole country bumpkin thing helped bush, didnt it?

just saying


Except we aren't referring to the media, we are referring to the polls taken after both debates.

But nice try trying to spin it.

[hismajestythepope]

and in those poles republicans said that palin won and democrats said that biden won

just saying

of course more independents went along with biden

in all actuality though that whole debate was a ****ing joke honestly

[DekWannaBFlea]

and in those poles republicans said that palin won and democrats said that biden won

just saying

of course more independents went along with biden



Uh have you actually seen any of them?


http://voices.kansascity.com/node/2299

[hismajestythepope]

idk i saw a link earlier and it listed a lot more polls than just those

i dont feel like ****ing searching though, im way too tired to care honestly

[DekWannaBFlea]

idk i saw a link earlier and it listed a lot more polls than just those

i dont feel like ****ing searching though, im way too tired to care honestly


Ummm, well there are like 8 polls there. And I haven't actually seen any poll that says Palin won. So, I think you're full of ****.

[hismajestythepope]

i think it was actually in my local news paper, and the survey said that basically republicans said palin won and democrats said biden won

but i mean true im full of **** because i read something different from what you read

[Chu]

Isn't it a bit subjective in the end?

Like, I ****ing hate the idea of Palin winning, well anything, but it does seem plausible someone could root for her.

Edit:
The year is 2019. It’s Sunday evening. Eighty-eight-year-old Morley Safer’s special guest on “60 Minutes” is an expert on national security, an elder statesman.

The image of former President George W. Bush fills the screen. His hunched shoulders quiver in a chuckle as Morley asks whether he’s finally cleared the last of the brush from his ranch.

Bush’s wartime presidential expertise is needed. War rages from the Mediterranean to the Himalayas, while newly drafted U.S. troops mass along the Canadian border.

Now in her second term, President Sarah Palin never blinked when she stared down the Canadian prime minister, who muttered in French, something about moose poaching.

It’s war.

The Arctic National Wildlife Refuge came up short of oil (though Sandals has rehabilitated it as a tropical resort). America’s mission is to liberate Canadians from their socialist health care system.

Revenue from tar-sand oil will pay for the invasion. Palin can see Canada from America.
Nice story don't you think.

[Reaganista]

voices.kansascity.com has spoken there's no room to disagree

[hismajestythepope]

especially when you take into account that dekwannabeflea linked it

fucin king ov der jews yo

[DekWannaBFlea]

Look, it is a cumulative collection of polls so I think there is little room to argue with it. The main reason for debates to to get the voters to vote for you, and if they think you won the debate then they most likely will vote for you. If you would have actually read the article I posted then you would have seen the poll that stated that 18 to 10 are more likely to vote for Obama/Biden compared to McCain/Palin.


Polls are a good way of objectively gaging a debate. You want more??? Ok....


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/03/vp-debate-reactions-polls_n_131767.html

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081003/ap_on_el_pr/vice_presidential_debate

[hismajestythepope]

*it is the by all end all cumulative collections of polls

i mean the polls that i read that were done in PA as opposed to kansas suggested what i said but idk

[Reaganista]

Polls objective
come again

[Chu]

Of course, absolutely no bias in modern media.

Everything they say is exactly how it happened.

I don't know, but I feel you're reading too much into it. You should take anything from a media outlet with a grain of salt.

Perhaps there's some formula you can apply to deduce the truth from that ****.

[Reaganista]

objective truth doesnt involve opinion polls

[Smokey D]

It seems pretty clear that either Biden won or Palin didn't do enough to change the momentum of the campaign, in which case Biden won by default. There were no knockout punches, and the debate wasn't amenable to that sort of debating but to say Palin did enough is really stretching it.

[hismajestythepope]

idk, republicans in PA are saying that palin won
Of course, absolutely no bias in modern media.

Everything they say is exactly how it happened.

I don't know, but I feel you're reading too much into it. You should take anything from a media outlet with a grain of salt.

Perhaps there's some formula you can apply to deduce the truth from that ****.

no its a poll that has nothing to do with the media because its on a news site and lists other media sources for the polls

also all of the media sources are liberal sources

its extremely objective and unbroken

[DekWannaBFlea]

You guys are right, all the polling places are out to prove their bias so they can make Biden look good. Good point.

[Smokey D]

idk, republicans in PA are saying that palin won

Well they would wouldn't they but the choir is hardly the people she has to convince.

[hismajestythepope]

You guys are right, all the polling places are out to prove their bias so they can make Biden look good. Good point.
yes because all of those polls arent off of liberally run websites or anything

nope definitely not

i mean theres no political bias ever on news sites and channels and in news papers

good luck with non-community college

[Chu]

no its a poll that has nothing to do with the media because its on a news site and lists other media sources for the polls
That's just like a recursive definition of exactly what I said though, just because you can cite references, doesn't make it non-biased in any way.

Edit: Wait, your above posts confuses me now, lol. :confused:

[McP3000]

non community college is fun imo

j/s mappy

[hismajestythepope]

idk the non-community college i went to last year was pretty horrible so i decided id save $10k by going to northampton instead

guess that makes me a failure :(
That's just like a recursive definition of exactly what I said though, just because you can cite references, doesn't make it non-biased in any way.

lol dont worry i was making fun of dek.

[DekWannaBFlea]

yes because all of those polls arent off of liberally run websites or anything

nope definitely not

i mean theres no political bias ever on news sites and channels and in news papers

good luck with non-community college


Those were polls quoted by the news sources. Show me the bias in the polls. What specifically is wrong with their methodology?

If you can answer that question then maybe I will take you serious. Until then, make sure you study for those tough two years of intensive study.

[Smokey D]

It's pretty bad when you start objecting to Gallup polls because of liberal bias.

[hismajestythepope]

yes and your post wasnt from a news source either?

that is such a biased article, i seriously do not understand how you can actually be serious here

and please stfu, some people go to community colleges based on monitary issues

@smokeyd: im saying that even the morning call at least ****ing listed polls that said palin won and not exclusively ones saying that biden won

[DekWannaBFlea]

yes and your post wasnt from a news source either?

that is such a biased article, i seriously do not understand how you can actually be serious here

and please stfu, some people go to community colleges based on monitary issues

@smokeyd: im saying that even the morning call at least ****ing listed polls that said palin won and not exclusively ones saying that biden won

Still waiting for those polls.

[hismajestythepope]

i just said the morning call look it up if you really care that much about sounding smart jesus christ

youre clearly super super intelligent if you think community colleges are useless, nah mean nigga?

[Smokey D]

I don't doubt that there are some polls that said she won. But the overall effect and consensus seems to be that either Biden won outright or that Palin failed to redirect the campaign in a way that helps her ticket. You keep on saying that Republicans think she won, but that really only highlights my point because if only Republicans think that she didn't do enought.

[hismajestythepope]

is there no disagreeing with you without you making a post thats too long for how little it actually says?

[McP3000]

where in the world is this conversation going other than a circle?

[Chu]

It's pretty bad when you start objecting to Gallup polls because of liberal bias.
I don't think he's really objecting to the polls (I could be wrong), I think he's just trying to prove a point; how can you honestly believe a poll? lol

I don't know, for one talk about selective audience, who got polled etc.
For two, talk about personal bias from the data person (Oh what, Palin won by 2%, let me fix that I'll re-adjust the scores appropriately).

Basically, how can you prove that any of it is genuine, and even if you could, to whom is it in regards.

[DekWannaBFlea]

I don't think he's really objecting to the polls (I could be wrong), I think he's just trying to prove a point; how can you honestly believe a poll? lol

I don't know, for one talk about selective audience, who got polled etc.
For two, talk about personal bias from the data person (Oh what, Palin won by 2%, let me fix that I'll re-adjust the scores appropriately).

Basically, how can you prove that any of it is genuine, and even if you could, to whom is it in regards.


So wait...polling places don't have to worry about a reputation?


I understand the idea of bias...but it's hard to call bias in polls when everyone is basically saying the same thing. Not to mention most polls actually go through a lengthy methodological laying out of the poll.

[hismajestythepope]

well considering theres been evidenced cases of the democratic party tweeking polls dating back like 80 years idk if its really that far fetched

i mean, you can say im stupid and that i have no sources but my ap american history teacher in the 11th grade literally had an entire chalkboard full of examples, and well, ill take the word of the most informed man on the face of the earth over yours

[Smokey D]

To impune Gallup and similar respected polling organisations is really scraping the bottom of the barrel. Are they 100% accurate? No. Are they accurate even within their margins of error? Probably not always. But do multiple polls taken over long periods by different institutions indicate a trend? Of course.

[hismajestythepope]

a trend of democrats manipulating polls for the last 80+ years yeah

[Smokey D]

Right. The most respected polling agencies in the world have all conspired over 80 years to give the Democrats an advantage, notwithstanding the shift to the right in the past 30 years.

[hismajestythepope]

EXACTLY.

thank you.

[DBoons Ghost]

http://www.adennak.com/archives/palinflow.gif

Imo.

[Mister_Che]

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/uc/20081004/spo081003.gif

Imo.

[:amaze:]

:lol:



edit: originally to dboon, but also applies to che.




:amaze:

[Chu]

I liked that DBoon. :)

[masada]

do those cans say 666?

[Aaron]

I just watched the debates via youtube. Haha, wow. This is why I think voting should be compulsory; only those with an interest get involved in politics and you end up having idiots-with-money up there in front.

[Shell]

this made me chuckle

http://photos-h.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v360/59/83/2217955/n2217955_45028863_616.jpg

[hismajestythepope]

idk id feel a really nicely painted train that turned out to be poorly crafted and ended up getting passengers killed would work better for obama

[Chu]

It's racism, isn't it?

[hismajestythepope]

it has more to do with the fact that hes a bigger sleazeball politician than most

[Tillius]

http://www.adennak.com/archives/palinflow.gif

Imo.

Haha.

Nice.