Health System Rankings, by nation

[Radiobass81]

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
38 Slovenia
39 Cuba
40 Brunei
41 New Zealand
42 Bahrain
43 Croatia
44 Qatar
45 Kuwait
46 Barbados
47 Thailand
48 Czech Republic
49 Malaysia
50 Poland
51 Dominican Republic
52 Tunisia
53 Jamaica
54 Venezuela
55 Albania
56 Seychelles
57 Paraguay
58 South Korea
59 Senegal
60 Philippines
61 Mexico
62 Slovakia
63 Egypt
64 Kazakhstan
65 Uruguay
66 Hungary
67 Trinidad and Tobago
68 Saint Lucia
69 Belize
70 Turkey
71 Nicaragua
72 Belarus
73 Lithuania
74 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
75 Argentina
76 Sri Lanka
77 Estonia
78 Guatemala
79 Ukraine
80 Solomon Islands
81 Algeria
82 Palau
83 Jordan
84 Mauritius
85 Grenada
86 Antigua and Barbuda
87 Libya
88 Bangladesh
89 Macedonia
90 Bosnia-Herzegovina
91 Lebanon
92 Indonesia
93 Iran
94 Bahamas
95 Panama
96 Fiji
97 Benin
98 Nauru
99 Romania
100 Saint Kitts and Nevis
101 Moldova
102 Bulgaria
103 Iraq
104 Armenia
105 Latvia
106 Yugoslavia
107 Cook Islands
108 Syria
109 Azerbaijan
110 Suriname
111 Ecuador
112 India
113 Cape Verde
114 Georgia
115 El Salvador
116 Tonga
117 Uzbekistan
118 Comoros
119 Samoa
120 Yemen
121 Niue
122 Pakistan
123 Micronesia
124 Bhutan
125 Brazil
126 Bolivia
127 Vanuatu
128 Guyana
129 Peru
130 Russia
131 Honduras
132 Burkina Faso
133 Sao Tome and Principe
134 Sudan
135 Ghana
136 Tuvalu
137 Ivory Coast
138 Haiti
139 Gabon
140 Kenya
141 Marshall Islands
142 Kiribati
143 Burundi
144 China
145 Mongolia
146 Gambia
147 Maldives
148 Papua New Guinea
149 Uganda
150 Nepal
151 Kyrgystan
152 Togo
153 Turkmenistan
154 Tajikistan
155 Zimbabwe
156 Tanzania
157 Djibouti
158 Eritrea
159 Madagascar
160 Vietnam
161 Guinea
162 Mauritania
163 Mali
164 Cameroon
165 Laos
166 Congo
167 North Korea
168 Namibia
169 Botswana
170 Niger
171 Equatorial Guinea
172 Rwanda
173 Afghanistan
174 Cambodia
175 South Africa
176 Guinea-Bissau
177 Swaziland
178 Chad
179 Somalia
180 Ethiopia
181 Angola
182 Zambia
183 Lesotho
184 Mozambique
185 Malawi
186 Liberia
187 Nigeria
188 Democratic Republic of the Congo
189 Central African Republic
190 Myanmar


US #37...

Discuss.

[MattSharpIsCool]

Italy at #2....I've never been there personally but a guy I know went there on a business trip, ended up in a hospital, and said it was terrifying. Dirty tools, dirty rooms, just not very clean in general.

Like I said, I've never been there personally, so maybe he just picked the wrong hospital, but if that's the second best health system in the world, that's scary.

[Already_Taken]

i was under the impression that taiwan had one of the most efficient health care systems in the world...

[masada]

Italy at #2....I've never been there personally but a guy I know went there on a business trip, ended up in a hospital, and said it was terrifying. Dirty tools, dirty rooms, just not very clean in general.

Like I said, I've never been there personally, so maybe he just picked the wrong hospital, but if that's the second best health system in the world, that's scary.

you're stupid thats also pretty scary

[Mr. Ron]

"I am french, look, look at me give this cigarette to this baby and not care."

[beso negro]

lol if the US health care system sucks so much why do people from all over the world flock here to get their treatment.

[StrangeVision]

Hey, we're better than Slovenia. I'll consider that a win.

...

[Mr. Ron]

lol if the US health care system sucks so much why do people from all over the world flock here to get their treatment.

Maybe its not based off of quality of treatment, but the distribution of health care?

I mean, we have a TON of people that don't even have basic health care in this country, thats sad.

[MattSharpIsCool]

Well ya, free health care is great. But if you're getting sub-par treatment, I'd rather pay for it and get good treatment.

[Mr. Ron]

Well ya, free health care is great. But if you're getting sub-par treatment, I'd rather pay for it and get good treatment.

well what evidence is there of 1st world European treatment being "bad"?

[pppoe]

I was expecting to see Switzerland and Sweden somewhere in the top 10.

[niobium]

brazil is pretty low

[Kage]

would it kill them to lay out the criteria this is based upon?

[free_thinkers_are_dangerous]

without knowing what criteria they used to judge this is pretty worthless.

my guess is they put a lot of emphasis on accessibility, because you have countries like france and the UK which are spending themselves into the ground to provide free everything to everyone ranked higher than countries that do a better job, like canada and the US.

[FallingSnow]

without knowing what criteria they used to judge this is pretty worthless.



This, tbh.

[Radiobass81]

would it kill them to lay out the criteria this is based upon?

http://www.photius.com/rankings/world_health_performance_ranks.html

http://www.photius.com/rankings/who_world_health_ranks.html (towards the bottom)

Would it kill you to check :rolleyes:?

[guitrguy]

I heard about this back a few months ago.

[hismajestythepope]

without knowing what criteria they used to judge this is pretty worthless.

my guess is they put a lot of emphasis on accessibility, because you have countries like france and the UK which are spending themselves into the ground to provide free everything to everyone ranked higher than countries that do a better job, like canada and the US.

yeah, some kids from my school went on a buisiness trip to france and the one kid's braces broke and the wire was like poking into her cheek really deep and they wouldn't even see her for like 2 days so the teacher just cut the wire out with plyers

plus from everything ive heard, the french are assholes

[BridgeToSolace]

If she was fine, doesn't that show that people don't need immediate care all the time?

Learn to be patient, other people have their **** too.

/callous

[Radiobass81]

If she was fine, doesn't that show that people don't need immediate care all the time?

Learn to be patient, other people have their **** too.

/callous

You and your Scrubs avatar are the best.

[BridgeToSolace]

No, you and your Christmas Cloud are the best :D

[free_thinkers_are_dangerous]

yeah, some kids from my school went on a buisiness trip to france and the one kid's braces broke and the wire was like poking into her cheek really deep and they wouldn't even see her for like 2 days so the teacher just cut the wire out with plyers

plus from everything ive heard, the french are spatulas

an anectodal story about one person whining about a wire in their braces does not reflect a country's health care.

but yeah french people are weird. very very weird.

[Radiobass81]

The french are great... :(!

[McP3000]

french suck you should know this

[Aaron]

74 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Sounds like the name to an indie band.

[Reaganista]

lol quality of healthcare isn't even one of their categories for evaluation

[Radiobass81]

lol quality of healthcare isn't even one of their categories for evaluation

Isn't the quality of healthcare that which is contains all the other components of their criteria, though? How else would you measure it.

[Reaganista]

quality
of
care

[Smokey D]

As in, how good the service provided to each patient is.

[Radiobass81]

As in, how good the service provided to each patient is.

That fits in with the 'Responsive' criteria. Sort of.

[Reaganista]

not really

[Radiobass81]

not really

How else would you actually rate the person-to-person care?

[Reaganista]

it seems as if everyone in the world suddenly contracted a pandemic that would kill us all the country that gave everyone a treatment as quickly as possible would win these rankings even if the treatment had no effect and they all died shortly thereafter

[Radiobass81]

it seems as if everyone in the world suddenly contracted a pandemic that would kill us all the country that gave everyone a treatment as quickly as possible would win these rankings even if the treatment had no effect and they all died shortly thereafter

I repeat.

How would you judge the person-to-person care if not by the person's response/options?

[Reaganista]

on effectiveness ****

[Radiobass81]

on effectiveness ****

Overall Level of Health: A good health system, above all, contributes to good health. To assess overall population health and thus to judge how well the objective of good health is being achieved, WHO has chosen to use the measure of disability- adjusted life expectancy (DALE). This has the advantage of being directly comparable to life expectancy and is readily compared across populations. The report provides estimates for all countries of disability- adjusted life expectancy. DALE is estimated to equal or exceed 70 years in 24 countries, and 60 years in over half the Member States of WHO. At the other extreme are 32 countries where disability- adjusted life expectancy is estimated to be less than 40 years. Many of these are countries characterised by major epidemics of HIV/AIDS, among other causes.

Distribution of Health in the Populations: It is not sufficient to protect or improve the average health of the population, if - at the same time - inequality worsens or remains high because the gain accrues disproportionately to those already enjoying better health. The health system also has the responsibility to try to reduce inequalities by prioritizing actions to improve the health of the worse-off, wherever these inequalities are caused by conditions amenable to intervention. The objective of good health is really twofold: the best attainable average level – goodness – and the smallest feasible differences among individuals and groups – fairness. A gain in either one of these, with no change in the other, constitutes an improvement.

Effectiveness? How does that NOT measure effectiveness?

Not to mention, if a person isn't complaining in a hospital says a lot. (responsiveness)

[Reaganista]

overall level of health has no necessary connection to the health system and equality of distribution has no connection to actual effects of care.

[Radiobass81]

overall level of health has no necessary connection to the health system and equality of distribution has no connection to actual effects of care.

Overall level of health is not related to the health care system? Come on :rolleyes:.

You and I usually agree, but I just don't see how the above could happen. Enlighten me.

EDIT: OR tell me how you would measure effectiveness.

[Reaganista]

measure effective based on the results of actual treatment of people by the health system

[Radiobass81]

measure effective based on the results of actual treatment of people by the health system

Responsiveness. Hard to see how someone would be biased about their own health.

Not to mention, good treatments work longterm, which means you live longer, which means a high life expectancy.

And mind explaining how life expectancy is NOT related to healthcare?

[Reaganista]

a number of the factors that effect life expectancy are completely outside of the control of medical professionals
Responsiveness. Hard to see how someone would be biased about their own health.
wat that doesn't have anything to do with effectiveness

and ya of course someone could be biased about their own health

[free_thinkers_are_dangerous]

french suck you should know this
they don't suck, they're just weird.

[Already_Taken]

different*

[Der Übermensch]

OR tell me how you would measure effectiveness.
In the United States, you can get fast treatment. You need an operation, it happens ASAP.
Now, I don't know the differences for ALL the countries ranked higher then the United States, but I do know that a good number of them have painfully long waiting periods to see specialists and for the use of often essential services.
Now, it is definitely great to not have to pay for healthcare, but I would gladly pay extra to be treated NOW rather then "soon".

[Radiobass81]

In the United States, you can get fast treatment. You need an operation, it happens ASAP.
Now, I don't know the differences for ALL the countries ranked higher then the United States, but I do know that a good number of them have painfully long waiting periods to see specialists and for the use of often essential services.
Now, it is definitely great to not have to pay for healthcare, but I would gladly pay extra to be treated NOW rather then "soon".

That depends on the area where you're living. There are some places where the person-doctor ratio is ridicolous.

EDIT: Beverly Hills? It's a guess, but I think that one was the most ludicrous.

[Sleep]

lol if the US health care system sucks so much why do people from all over the world flock here to get their treatment.

the people that do that have like a bajillion dollars and probably live in countries where they aren't able to bypass poor people in line for surgery just because they have more money. so they fly to the u.s. where they can.

[mph4ever]

yeah, some kids from my school went on a buisiness trip to france and the one kid's braces broke and the wire was like poking into her cheek really deep and they wouldn't even see her for like 2 days so the teacher just cut the wire out with plyers

plus from everything ive heard, the french are spatulas

don't listen to everything you hear. have you ever been to france? french health system is second to none in all ways. see the french would put 1.7 trillion dollars of tax payers money into providing health care, not like others where they put it into war and wall street losers

lol if the US health care system sucks so much why do people from all over the world flock here to get their treatment.

where does this flock of people come from? how does it compare to the number of non nationals treated in other countries?

i love the fact that china and russia re so far down the list. they might all die before they cause any problems. how come iraq didn't score higher?

[Der Übermensch]

french health system is second to none in all ways.
Which is why it took 2 days for what should have been a 30 minute wait in an American emergency room.

[mph4ever]

Which is why it took 2 days for what should have been a 30 minute wait in an American emergency room.

i don't know thw circumstance of that particular claim. having travelled to france on business and on holiday, alone and with my family, access to the health system and the quality of the treatment has never been below par. i have used it a couple of times

my uncle had a heart problem whilst in rome and, even with the language barrier, he was treated in a public hospital to a very high standard. he was never once distressed by the system

oh, and nice to see ya :chug:

[Prince of Darkness]

175 South Africa

hells yeah, represent!

[free_thinkers_are_dangerous]

Which is why it took 2 days for what should have been a 30 minute wait in an American emergency room.

it wasn't an emergency. he had a wire poking into his cheek.


first time i got braces, i had a wire poking into my cheek for a month. i didnt see anybody.

nobody's disputing that treatment in the states is good. the problem is that it's only good if you have money. if you're pore, needing an operation is a death sentence. if you're rich, you get your operation in less than a week.

[McP3000]

it wasn't an emergency. he had a wire poking into his cheek.


first time i got braces, i had a wire poking into my cheek for a month. i didnt see anybody.

nobody's disputing that treatment in the states is good. the problem is that it's only good if you have money. if you're pore, needing an operation is a death sentence. if you're rich, you get your operation in less than a week.
poor*

And its not really a rich vs poor thing. Its more a middle class and above vs lower class, because most of the middle class get supplied insurance (or have enough to take out personal accounts).

[PshSam]

free_thinkers_are_dangerous

Rome is in italy. -_-

[Reaganista]

if you're rich, you get your operation in less than a week.
correction you get it in less than 5 hours

[Radiobass81]

free_thinkers_are_dangerous

Rome is in italy. -_-

I think it was directed at the second post in the thread, with the Italy health bashing.

[Der Übermensch]

it wasn't an emergency. he had a wire poking into his cheek.
When I read "really deep" I understand that to mean drawing blood. My braces poked me too, but I never would have used deep to describe it short of wounding.

[Reaganista]

ok a few weeks ago i had an infected sore that had been bothering me a lot for over a week
i went to university student health at 10AM and they looked at it and gave me a perscription for an antibiotic and a piece of paper with 6 surgeons' names on it and said if i couldn't get an appointment with them i should go to the ER
i called the surgeons they all said they were busy but one gave me the number of another surgeon who he knew kept space open for emergencies i called him and got an appointment for 2PM
the surgery was sucessful they removed most of the sore and i've had no symptoms since, but they did advise me that to have it permanently corrected ill have to see a specialist and gave me the numbers of several both in DC and in Philly
after surgery i had a hypotonic episode that turned out to be just low fluids but just in case they sent me to the ER where i bypassed the wait and went directly to triage and then about a half hour later i was taken to a private room put on IV and given a turkey sandwhich and some vicodens after that i took a nap then they sent me home in a cab

total cost
copay for antibiotics - $5
copay for 40 percocets - $5
cab ride - $7
treated, home and high on percocet 6 hours after making a complicated emergency known to medical system - priceless

[Reaganista]

i dont mean to suggest that france couldn't do that or maybe even better just that america is my favorite place or earth

[Der Übermensch]

ok a few weeks ago i had an infected sore that had been bothering me a lot for over a week
i went to university student health at 10AM and they looked at it and gave me a perscription for an antibiotic and a piece of paper with 6 surgeons' names on it and said if i couldn't get an appointment with them i should go to the ER
i called the surgeons they all said they were busy but one gave me the number of another surgeon who he knew kept space open for emergencies i called him and got an appointment for 2PM
the surgery was sucessful they removed most of the sore and i've had no symptoms since, but they did advise me that to have it permanently corrected ill have to see a specialist and gave me the numbers of several both in DC and in Philly
after surgery i had a hypotonic episode that turned out to be just low fluids but just in case they sent me to the ER where i bypassed the wait and went directly to triage and then about a half hour later i was taken to a private room put on IV and given a turkey sandwhich and some vicodens after that i took a nap then they sent me home in a cab

total cost
copay for antibiotics - $5
copay for 40 percocets - $5
cab ride - $7
treated, home and high on percocet 6 hours after making a complicated emergency known to medical system - priceless

The only surprising part of that is that you got a DC cab for only 7 bucks!

[Reaganista]

maybe it was 9 idk i was on vicodin
im pretty sure it was single digits

[Der Übermensch]

Either way, pretty good. Cabs are much better after they started switching from Zone to meter, but I still feel they are over priced.

We payed 14 bucks to go 10 blocks last night... (that includes the surcharge for cramming 7 ppl in the cab though at least...)