Presidential Debate

[Det_Nosnip]

Did anyone watch? It was ok, I suppose. McCain was acting really disrespectful and rude throughout the evening...I think even the moderator was getting frustrated with him (particularly when he cut him off!). Will be interesting to see how many lies factcheck finds...based upon his record so far, I'm betting McCain is going to get the highest score in terms of lies and fabrications.

[Aaron]

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Mzlu17kcufM

[Jude]

McCain was appalling on Iran, pretty ridiculous on Russia/Georgia...that's what I can remember, I'm pretty tired. Obama wasn't appalling or ridiculous on anything. Except Iraq, neither one of them has a good plan for Iraq, but that's because it's too late, the whole thing's ****ed.

Anyway it's not changing my mind. Can't wait till next week when Palin gets ripped five new assholes.

[Det_Nosnip]

Yeah. Biden doesn't have Obama's sense of restraint...I wouldn't be surprised to see tears. :D

One thing that really drove me nuts about McCain was when he was almost making fun of Obama over the issue of meeting with foreign leaders. He sounded like a 12 year old bullying a kid for lunch money! What was worse, the point he was trying to make was completely moot. "lolz omg what if he says death to Israel lolz lolz" :rolleyes:

Did anyone else catch when Obama almost corrected McCain's pronounciation of Akhmadenejad? :lol:

[Tillius]

Yeah that was great. That whole thing just went to further prove what an idiot McCain is. No, Obama's not as great as many are making him out to be but certainly several steps ahead of McCain.

[Jude]

Yeah. Biden doesn't have Obama's sense of restraint...I wouldn't be surprised to see tears. :D

One thing that really drove me nuts about McCain was when he was almost making fun of Obama over the issue of meeting with foreign leaders. He sounded like a 12 year old bullying a kid for lunch money! What was worse, the point he was trying to make was completely moot. "lolz omg what if he says death to Israel lolz lolz" :rolleyes:
McCain's position is completely retarded - I can only assume that he's taking it to pander to the morons whose votes he needs.


Did anyone else catch when Obama almost corrected McCain's pronounciation of Akhmadenejad? :lol:

Hahahahahha

I gagged every time he said "Ockmadeenajod"

[JohnXDoe]

i think neither candidate hurt or help themselves with supporters or detractors. will be interesting to see what round two brings

[WhoDidTheElf]

McCain attacked Obama a lot which bothered me cause it doesn't validate his point.

But then again, it seemed Obama agreed with everything McCain said. All I can remember from Obama is "I agree."

I did like McCain's response to the economy and Russia, he nailed it with the "KGB" comment.

Edit: No one won this debate. It shouldn't help anyone or hurt anyone.

[JohnXDoe]

yeah can't wait for the McCain campaign to weave those sound bites into a commercial:

"John is right"

Obama said it too much

unless he meant right

then yeah he was right

or w/e

[WhoDidTheElf]

It leans to the right to much. Need more liberals.

[jaredong]

yeah can't wait for the McCain campaign to weave those sound bites into a commercial:

"John is right"

Obama said it too much

unless he meant right

then yeah he was right

or w/e

too late lol, its done

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec3aC8ZJZTc

[Mr. Ron]

Agreement!?

Not on my internet

[Tillius]

God that didn't take long.
****ing McCain supporters.

[Tillius]

Oh well just one more desperate act.

[Babble]

lol mccain was saying such generic bullpoop half the time with just more harsh tone that if anyone can't see why obama was agreeing, they're totally blind

Obama: *lecture on the structure of al queda and why supporting a global war on terror versus specific fight in one country is important*
McCain: "Senator Obama just doesn't understand the issue.Terrorism is evil! We must kill terrorism!"
Obama: "Well, I agree."

[mattspurplepen]

haha, mcCain may have come off as a bit stronger but i don't think it was really in a positive way. The debate wasn't all that interesting even. I'm more interested in the Vp debate, that will be sweet to watch!

[BassRevelation0]

Both candidates get an F in foreign policy

-Russia was provoked
-Iran is a signatory to the NPT and the intelligence estimates say they are not going towards nukes
-Venezuela is not a "rogue state"

I could go on, but I'm not happy with who I have to choose from.

Anywho, reiterating talking points got us absolutely nowhere. Perhaps Obama could have asked mccain to define victory in Iraq. What a bunch of tools.

[pppoe]

I laughed when Obama brought up the bit about McCain not wanting to meet with Spanish PM Zapatero.

[Already_Taken]

i laughed until i realized these are the best this country has to offer.

[McP3000]

they arent its just like the american public just loves difference for the sake of difference half the time, and the same for the sake of being the same half the time.

[Already_Taken]

yeah i used to think all the best leaders chose the business path since it is way more lucrative. so they became ceo's and stuff, but all those guys apparently suck too.

[McP3000]

not true if they're first generation rich

if they're second generation, like inherent dad's company, then they're all dickheads

[Akira]

Debate was boring. Didn't watch much of it.

Can someone please explain the "meeting with Iran is bad because it legitimizes them" argument to be? I truly don't get it.

[FallingSnow]

Debate was boring. Didn't watch much of it.

Can someone please explain the "meeting with Iran is bad because it legitimizes them" argument to be? I truly don't get it.


I don't quite understand where he's coming from, I hold the same opinion of preconditions but for different reasons. But, I think what he's trying to say is that it acknowledges their actions to an extent, perhaps allowing ourselves to be goaded into making compromises.

I don't necessarily believe that, but I really, really like his point about meeting with Iran. Seriously, are we just going to sit there and let them tell us what they want to do and simply tell them no and not do anything? That's childish. "Yes we are", "no you're not", "Ok these negotiations are over". Lol.

I disagree with the both of them over how to deal with Iran though. Tougher sanctions? Please. Sanctions very rarely work, and they sure as hell haven't with that country.

[Babble]

what are you suggesting

This is not Iraq, where a significant portion of the population hates the leader of the country. This is Iran, a more or less highly militant country where the common people on the ground want to have nuclear capabilities.

[Jude]

I don't quite understand where he's coming from, I hold the same opinion of preconditions but for different reasons. But, I think what he's trying to say is that it acknowledges their actions to an extent, perhaps allowing ourselves to be goaded into making compromises.

I don't necessarily believe that, but I really, really like his point about meeting with Iran. Seriously, are we just going to sit there and let them tell us what they want to do and simply tell them no and not do anything? That's childish. "Yes we are", "no you're not", "Ok these negotiations are over". Lol.


McCain's position is totally retarded that's why I can only assume it's meant to pander to the average American retard

He sort of vaguely maybe has a good point that meeting with them could legitimize them, until you realize that the standard of legitimacy is not who America meets with, and that diplomacy is completely crucial in preventing conflicts. The average braindead Republican is not aware of these things; so McCain panders to them.

[Det_Nosnip]

what are you suggesting

This is not Iraq, where a significant portion of the population hates the leader of the country. This is Iran, a more or less highly militant country where the common people on the ground want to have nuclear capabilities.

Yes and no. Iran has a very complicated political landscape. The Iranian revolution was made up of a huge coalition of different groups including many moderate, secular influences who simply wanted the shah gone. These groups remain and Ackmadenejad's control is looser than it appears. Unfortunately, the war in Iraq and America's constant hard stance & threats have weakened the moderates' position and given strength to extremists.

Sanctions would bolster the extremists' position by unifying the country against a common threat. Great idea, guys.

[interviewer02]

McCain just isn't a well spoken guy, was he always like that, or was is he just getting old?

It always seems like he can't improvise an answer, he always has a pre-determined answer for questions, and if someone asks him a question hes not ready for, he flops terribly.

[niobium]

he didn't make good eye contact with obama!

[Radiobass81]

Both attacked each other too much, really, don't try to just blame McCain for everything.

[interviewer02]

Both attacked each other too much, really, don't try to just blame McCain for everything.

I can tell when mcCain mentally flounders, his eyes dart across the floor.

[Already_Taken]

Both attacked each other too much, really, don't try to just blame McCain for everything.

both were also lying about eachother, or not telling the whole truth.

[Radiobass81]

both were also lying about eachother, or not telling the whole truth.

Exactly. No need to only hate McCain.

[Already_Taken]

although mccain was grasping at straws many times when obama was only defending his name...

[WhoDidTheElf]

By saying "I agree."

The whole debate seemed a bit strange to me. I expected Obama to do his whole "uh,...Uh...(answer),...uh" deal when he is expected to improve, but he didn't do it once. Which was weird.

Then McCain usually pauses a lot while speaking and it never really seemed to be the case.

I smell a conspiracy.

/gets tin foil hat

[Permanent Solution]

One of my favorite moments was when Mccain was like "Obama is so far left" and Obama is like "Yeah I appear pretty far left because I've been voting against Bush's stupid policies"

[Illmatic]

I did like McCain's response to the economy and Russia, he nailed it with the "KGB" comment.

yeah i thought it was funny that a guy who bombed villages in Vietnam actually thought he could take a moral high ground against Putin.

[BridgeToSolace]

I don't necessarily believe that, but I really, really like his point about meeting with Iran. Seriously, are we just going to sit there and let them tell us what they want to do and simply tell them no and not do anything? That's childish. "Yes we are", "no you're not", "Ok these negotiations are over". Lol.

Do you really not understand what a negotiation is?

Obama's policy of meeting with anyone without conditions doesn't mean he isn't going to use political or military tools to negotiate.

"We're going to attack Israel."
"If you do that, we're going to heavily sanction you/attack you/steal all your tea."
"oh, okay, nevermind"

McCain's system seems to be about giving someone no motivation to talk to you.

"We're going to attack Israel"
"I'm not even going to talk to you until stop saying that"
"Whatever, nerd."

[Already_Taken]

i thought mccain was saying that the US meeting with an enemy gives the enemy material for a propaganda war. i'd like for him to explain that more though.

[BridgeToSolace]

The act of meeting with someone means that you agree with and condone everything that they've ever said.

True story.

[FallingSnow]

Obviously niether one works though.Sanctions obviously don't work, and niether does political isolation. For some reason it seems to me that (although the liberals would cry warmonger) force is sometimes the only means necessary. I'm not saying we should nuke Iran, but we could aid sects that are opposed to the State. Indirect force sometimes works just as well.


By the way, both of them stretch the truth just about the same when it comes to each other: http://buzz.yahoo.com/buzzlog/91860

[BridgeToSolace]

McCain tripped up on one of his signature issues – special appropriation “earmarks.” He said they had “tripled in the last five years,” when in fact they have decreased sharply.

McCain misrepresented Obama's plan by claiming he'd be "handing the health care system over to the federal government." Obama would expand some government programs but would allow people to keep their current plans or chose from private ones, as well.

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Kissinger: Initially, yes.But I do not believe that we can make conditions for the opening of negotiations.

Later, McCain's running mate, Sarah Palin, was asked about this by CBS News anchor Katie Couric, and Palin said, "I’ve never heard Henry Kissinger say, ‘Yeah, I’ll meet with these leaders without preconditions being met.'" Afterward Couric said, "We confirmed Henry Kissinger’s position following our interview."

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_debate_no_1.html

They both made mistakes. I think McCain's were a bit more egregious, however. 700 billion vs. 530 billion is a big difference, but an understandable mistake to make in the heat of a debate.

But "tripled" and "sharply decreased" is just a lie...

[Det_Nosnip]

One of my favorite moments was when Mccain was like "Obama is so far left" and Obama is like "Yeah I appear pretty far left because I've been voting against Bush's stupid policies"

lol yeah that was a pretty awesome pwn.

[EaterOfUterus]

lol yeah that was a pretty awesome pwn.

Awesome to a brainwashed liberal sociopath.

[Det_Nosnip]

McCain tripped up on one of his signature issues – special appropriation “earmarks.” He said they had “tripled in the last five years,” when in fact they have decreased sharply.

McCain misrepresented Obama's plan by claiming he'd be "handing the health care system over to the federal government." Obama would expand some government programs but would allow people to keep their current plans or chose from private ones, as well.

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Kissinger: Initially, yes.But I do not believe that we can make conditions for the opening of negotiations.

Later, McCain's running mate, Sarah Palin, was asked about this by CBS News anchor Katie Couric, and Palin said, "I’ve never heard Henry Kissinger say, ‘Yeah, I’ll meet with these leaders without preconditions being met.'" Afterward Couric said, "We confirmed Henry Kissinger’s position following our interview."

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_debate_no_1.html

They both made mistakes. I think McCain's were a bit more egregious, however. 700 billion vs. 530 billion is a big difference, but an understandable mistake to make in the heat of a debate.

But "tripled" and "sharply decreased" is just a lie...

Oh, nice...I've been waiting for the factcheck analysis.

I'm sure I'm a biased source, but based upon what I'm reading it looks like McCain's lies were significantly worse.

[BridgeToSolace]

As another biased source, I agree whole heartedly.

[Det_Nosnip]

Awesome to a brainwashed liberal sociopath.

lol yes...I oppose Bush's handling of the country so I MUST be a sociopath! :rolleyes:

[Jude]

It's VF dude.

[Sleep]

it's so annoying hearing before the debate that mccain had an advantage because foreign policy is his strong suit. he knows **** all about foreign policy but god forbid anyone point that out since he got shot down out of a plane.

[Jude]

I just now remembered the most surreal moment of the debate...McCain's comment about spending whatever amount of money on researching bear DNA in Montana, and subsequent joke about "I don't know if it was a scientific or a paternity question."

Of course nobody in the audience there could laugh, and everyone I was watching with (I was watching it on a big screen in a room with 100+ people) sort of paused for a second "Did he actually just say that?" And then busted into subdued snickering because nobody was really sure what the hell just happened.

[pppoe]

When is the VP debate?

[Jude]

This Thursday.

It's going to be brutal.

[-1up!-]

This thursday, Sarah Palin's star will shine a lot less.

[FatalEnergy]

I expect there to be massive lulz on Thursday.

[catharsis]

ITT: Liberal musicians make sure you know they're liberal.

[FallingSnow]

itt: Liberal Musicians Make Sure You Know They're Liberal.

Qft.

[Babble]

I can't wait until Obama is president so I can finally spout some of the bullshit that conservatives have been spouting in the past 8 years.

"Hey, if you don't support the president, you're not a patriot and you don't deserve to live in America."

[Akira]

I just now remembered the most surreal moment of the debate...McCain's comment about spending whatever amount of money on researching bear DNA in Montana, and subsequent joke about "I don't know if it was a scientific or a paternity question."

Of course nobody in the audience there could laugh, and everyone I was watching with (I was watching it on a big screen in a room with 100+ people) sort of paused for a second "Did he actually just say that?" And then busted into subdued snickering because nobody was really sure what the hell just happened.

The lawlz part is that Alaska under Palin received earmarks of $3.2mil to study the DNA of harbor seals. And another half million on the mating patterns of crabs.

[thedriveinfan]

I can't wait until Obama is president so I can finally spout some of the bullpoop that conservatives have been spouting in the past 8 years.

"Hey, if you don't support the president, you're not a patriot and you don't deserve to live in America."

troof

[ringworm]

i was out of town this week but caught the debate, while with some pretty hardcore righty's, even they were floored that simply meeting with someone somehow legitimizes whatever they have said in the past

i still stand by that a mccain voter is beyond rational or intelligent

i felt obama, while somewhat restrained, still seemed slightly aggressive when mccain went below the belt with false statements, but in an educated manor


mccain just reminded me of a fighter who gets nailed pretty hard but tries to smile his way out of the other fighter knowing he got hurt

[Already_Taken]

mccain never even looked at obama. i guess that acknowledges who is the dominant of the two.