PETA Urges Ben & Jerry's To Use Human Milk

[Cocaine]

http://www.wptz.com/news/17539127/detail.html

WATERBURY, Vt. -- People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals sent a letter to Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield, cofounders of Ben & Jerry's Homemade Inc., urging them to replace cow's milk they use in their ice cream products with human breast milk, according to a statement recently released by a PETA spokeswoman.

"PETA's request comes in the wake of news reports that a Swiss restaurant owner will begin purchasing breast milk from nursing mothers and substituting breast milk for 75 percent of the cow's milk in the food he serves," the statement says.

PETA officials say a move to human breast milk would lessen the suffering of dairy cows and their babies on factory farms and benefit human health.

"The fact that human adults consume huge quantities of dairy products made from milk that was meant for a baby cow just doesn't make sense," says PETA Executive Vice President Tracy Reiman. "Everyone knows that 'the breast is best,' so Ben & Jerry's could do consumers and cows a big favor by making the switch to breast milk."

"We applaud PETA's novel approach to bringing attention to an issue, but we believe a mother's milk is best used for her child," said a spokesperson for Ben and Jerry's.

September 23, 2008

Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield, Cofounders

Ben & Jerry's Homemade Inc.

Dear Mr. Cohen and Mr. Greenfield,

On behalf of PETA and our more than 2 million members and supporters, I'd like to bring your attention to an innovative new idea from Switzerland that would bring a unique twist to Ben and Jerry's.

Storchen restaurant is set to unveil a menu that includes soups, stews, and sauces made with at least 75 percent breast milk procured from human donors who are paid in exchange for their milk. If Ben and Jerry's replaced the cow's milk in its ice cream with breast milk, your customers-and cows-would reap the benefits.

Using cow's milk for your ice cream is a hazard to your customer's health. Dairy products have been linked to juvenile diabetes, allergies, constipation, obesity, and prostate and ovarian cancer. The late Dr. Benjamin Spock, America's leading authority on child care, spoke out against feeding cow's milk to children, saying it may play a role in anemia, allergies, and juvenile diabetes and in the long term, will set kids up for obesity and heart disease-America's number one cause of death.

Animals will also benefit from the switch to breast milk. Like all mammals, cows only produce milk during and after pregnancy, so to be able to constantly milk them, cows are forcefully impregnated every nine months. After several years of living in filthy conditions and being forced to produce 10 times more milk than they would naturally, their exhausted bodies are turned into hamburgers or ground up for soup.

And of course, the veal industry could not survive without the dairy industry. Because male calves can't produce milk, dairy farmers take them from their mothers immediately after birth and sell them to veal farms, where they endure 14 to17 weeks of torment chained inside a crate so small that they can't even turn around.

The breast is best! Won't you give cows and their babies a break and our health a boost by switching from cow's milk to breast milk in Ben and Jerry's ice cream? Thank you for your consideration.

Sincerely,

Tracy Reiman

Executive Vice President

Does anyone else find this, uh, weird? I've always thought PETA was nothing but a bunch of militant lunatics but now I'm willing to strike the word "militant" and replace it with "hilarious".

[pppoe]

What's funny about it?

[DBoons Ghost]

Soon we'll be eating our dead to save the cows and then the cows will take over and as they crush the PETA folks beneath their filthy hooves, drooling cow saliva all over their touchy feely faces, I hope to be there so I can laugh.

PETA is insane. Breat milk is awful tbh, and it's based on the woman's diet. Should we force women to eat fruit all day so it tastes better?

[pppoe]

How does drinking human breast milk lead to cannibalism?

[masada]

Using cow's milk for your ice cream is a hazard to your customer's health. lol

[DBoons Ghost]

How does drinking human breast milk lead to cannibalism?

Don't even defend this stupidity.

I'm being as abusrd as their suggestion. It's absurd. Absolutely absurd.

We've been drinking cow and/or goat milk for thousands of years.

PETA should be ashamed.

[guitrguy]

this is pretty funny. I think PETA likes to lose credibility with reasonable people.

[DBoons Ghost]

this is pretty funny. I think PETA likes to lose credibility with reasonable people.

Brian!!!!

omghi2u bb...

<3

PETA is not reasonable. I dig their stance sometimes but this is madness.

My niece is being raised on soy milk and now she has a bone problem due to calcium deficiencies because of her stupid vegan mother, who is also a ****ing nurse for chrissakes.

PETA wants to ruin evolution and kill off humanity so the stupid animals, who lost the survival race, can have their planet back.

I hate PETA.

[pppoe]

If there are benefits to substituting breast milk for cow/goat milk, why shouldn't we switch? And they are not forcing anyone to do anything. It's merely a suggestion.

[Cocaine]

PETA is just such a corrupt, batpoop insane organization. First they insist upon Kentucky Fried CHICKEN serving vegan food (which they now do in Canada), then they start suggesting we eat ice cream made from a strange womens; teats?

I mean, firstly, how do you even regulate something like this? It's not like cows, because cow milk is coming from farms and they have some set of standards. I don't really know how you do that with people. Short of keeping them in cages and monitoring their every meal, it just isn't possible. Of course it's highly unlikely that PETA is proposing this with the belief that it would actually happen, but I mean still, how can they expect to earn any respect for the cause of treating animals ethically when they draw such absurd parallels and conclusions.

This is, of course, nothing in comparison to a previous PETA campaign that likened a recent tragedy on a Greyhound bus (man was brutally stabbed and decapitated for no reason) to the killing of wild animals.

[italic zero]

source?

[masada]

http://www.examiner.com/x-550-Pet-Examiner~y2008m9d24-PETA-urges-Ben-and-Jerrys-to-Use-Human-Breast-Milk-for-Ice-Cream

http://www.wsbtv.com/health/17539627/detail.html

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1060925/breast_milk_ice_cream_idea_proposed.html

http://www.digtriad.com/news/features/article.aspx?storyid=111288&catid=216

[guitrguy]

Brian!!!!

omghi2u bb...

<3

PETA is not reasonable. I dig their stance sometimes but this is madness.

My niece is being raised on soy milk and now she has a bone problem due to calcium deficiencies because of her stupid vegan mother, who is also a ****ing nurse for chrissakes.

PETA wants to ruin evolution and kill off humanity so the stupid animals, who lost the survival race, can have their planet back.

I hate PETA.

Hai, how are you?!

[Mister_Che]

Bunch of Cows hooked up to machines in a building pumping milk all day.

vs.

Bunch of Women hooked up to machines in a building pumping milk all day.

Oh, ok.

[DBoons Ghost]

Hai, how are you?!

I'm ok. A little tired. I am back playing MMOs and they make me tired. Warhammer Online 4tw!

If there are benefits to substituting breast milk for cow/goat milk, why shouldn't we switch? And they are not forcing anyone to do anything. It's merely a suggestion.

Suggestions are bad when they are cast from agendas that are absurd and unrealistic.

Though, I am curious about this Storchen resteraunt and what they do to the milk to make it taste ok enough to use in recipes.

[guitrguy]

sounds fun. School, Work, booze, and football has been keeping me pretty occupied.

[Mister_Che]

Would it even be possible to meet the current demand for milk if we had women willing to do this?

[masada]

our kitchens would be severely understaffed

[Moon Flavor]

How much milk can come from one womans breasts? Like in a lifetime?

I don't know the exact figures but I don't think you could even get a couple gallons from a woman this is stupid.

[DBoons Ghost]

Well, my wife produced enough breast milk when she was lactating that we had to pump it out and store and freeze it. My daughter has never had formula and we only use Skim Plus at home so maybe I am being a hypocrit. Skim Plus is organic and is not like normal milk in that it doesn't have rBST antibiotics which have been linked with all kinds of crap.

The rBST antibiotics are a farily new concept and help milk farmers extend the life of their milk at the cost of our health!! So while moving away from cow's milk of today is ok, we can go back to the milk our forefathers drank but it's not feasible to produce that way anymore due to cost savings and profits.

[mph4ever]

isn't there loads of stuff in cows milk that means it is really only made for the purpose of feeding calves. humans drink their mothers breast milk because it is made for them. we grow out of it after a while but for some strange reason society has decided that it should be replaced with cows milk.

[guitrguy]

milk is homogenized for a reason

[Meatplow]

I support PETA 100%

Women should be put on farms and impregnated so they lactate, at least the cows get a day off. In the end that is all that matters.

[Jude]

What's weird is that it seems weird for us to drink our own species' milk, but not that of other species.


I have no idea why that is that way.

[DBoons Ghost]

isn't there loads of stuff in cows milk that means it is really only made for the purpose of feeding calves. humans drink their mothers breast milk because it is made for them. we grow out of it after a while but for some strange reason society has decided that it should be replaced with cows milk.

People have been drinking milk from cows for 7000 years.

Pasturizing cow's milk is to remove bacteria. Homogonizing milk is to keep the good stuff (cream) in milk together after the pasturization process. They pasturize it to keep it fresh longer so it can be shipped around the world if need be. I don't think that is possible with milk from a human's breast, not to mention that it's not creamy or tasty at all.

Before any of that, people still drank cows milk because it's a ton more common to have a pregnant cow around then it is to have a pregnant human around. We don't want to keep women pregnant so they keep lactacting.

That is why human beings as the dominent species use the resources available to them to preserve our way of life in the best way possible without harming humans and sometimes at the welcome expense of the animals around us.

We won the battle of the species and sit at the top of the food chain, controlling the circle of life so it works for us, not against us.

[mph4ever]

milk is homogenized for a reason

still its not really natural for us to drink it from a cow, cooking it or not

[DBoons Ghost]

What's weird is that it seems weird for us to drink our own species' milk, but not that of other species.


I have no idea why that is that way.

Taste woman's breast milk and you'll never wonder why again.

[hismajestythepope]

okay, im all for protesting companies with bad rep, but telling an icecream company to use breast milk? ugh i hate people :(

[mph4ever]

People have been drinking milk from cows for 7000 years.

Pasturizing cow's milk is to remove bacteria. Homogonizing milk is to keep the good stuff (cream) in milk together after the pasturization process. They pasturize it to keep it fresh longer so it can be shipped around the world if need be. I don't think that is possible with milk from a human's breast, not to mention that it's not creamy or tasty at all.

Before any of that, people still drank cows milk because it's a ton more common to have a pregnant cow around then it is to have a pregnant human around. We don't want to keep women pregnant so they keep lactacting.

That is why human beings as the dominent species use the resources available to them to preserve our way of life in the best way possible without harming humans and sometimes at the welcome expense of the animals around us.

We won the battle of the species and sit at the top of the food chain, controlling the circle of life so it works for us, not against us.

in terms of our existence on the planet, 7k years is not a long time, its not natural for us to drink cows milk, its meant for calves, not us. you can bake, cook it, heat, freeze it, skim it, fortify it with all sorts of stuff that they say is good for us, but we are not supposed to drink it, its not natural

[guitrguy]

still its not really natural for us to drink it from a cow, cooking it or not

its a type of nourishment, technically nothing in nature is made exclusively for human consumption.

in terms of our existence on the planet, 7k years is not a long time, its not natural for us to drink cows milk, its meant for calves, not us. you can bake, cook it, heat, freeze it, skim it, fortify it with all sorts of stuff that they say is good for us, but we are not supposed to drink it, its not natural
we have been civilized even more recently than when we started drinking milk.

[masada]

7k years is enough for it to become "natural"

[Apollyon]

Taste woman's breast milk and you'll never wonder why again.

123

human breast milk is like warm slightly thicker water it's repulsive, and the quality of it can vary depending on a woman's diet

and what exactly is peta advocating here, human milk farms? somehow that's supposed to be more ethical? what a bunch of goons

cow milk is nutritious, it tastes good, and it's easy to obtain

and why is it that every time you think of some sort of farm situation (milking a cow, shearing sheep, shoeing a horse) peta finds a way to turn into an image of a dungeon full of gimps torturing the poor poor animals to death

how obnoxious

[DBoons Ghost]

in terms of our existence on the planet, 7k years is not a long time, its not natural for us to drink cows milk, its meant for calves, not us. you can bake, cook it, heat, freeze it, skim it, fortify it with all sorts of stuff that they say is good for us, but we are not supposed to drink it, its not natural

Gotcha.

Well, get yourself a harem and keep at least one of the chicks knocked up so they lactate constantly and you'll always have enough natural milk to cook and do all the things you want to do with milk. Also, make sure you control their diets with a lot of sweet tasty stuff, but then you might lose all the qualities of the milk in the first place since women's breast milk is about as tasty as your sperm after eating green veggies and beef.

[stevensonmat2]

in terms of our existence on the planet, 7k years is not a long time, its not natural for us to drink cows milk, its meant for calves, not us. you can bake, cook it, heat, freeze it, skim it, fortify it with all sorts of stuff that they say is good for us, but we are not supposed to drink it, its not natural

Of course it's natural. It's no different than eating other animals. It's foreign organic material that we convert into energy. It doesn't matter what it's original use is.

[Apollyon]

in terms of our existence on the planet, 7k years is not a long time, its not natural for us to drink cows milk, its meant for calves, not us. you can bake, cook it, heat, freeze it, skim it, fortify it with all sorts of stuff that they say is good for us, but we are not supposed to drink it, its not natural

you have a pretty loose definition of natural

cow milk supplements our body in the exact same way breast milk does, but minus the mother's antibodies that you obtain in the early stages of life from breast feeding

hell, you can nurse an infant on a goat it's been done and it's the exact same thing

you have this strange obsession with sucking on your own mother's tits

[DBoons Ghost]

Of course it's natural. It's no different than eating other animals. It's foreign organic material that we convert into energy. It doesn't matter what it's original use is.


Yeah and if we're gonna go one step further I would have to think it would be pretty tough to make things you take for granted like cheese, butter, whipped cream, heavy cream, margerine, bread..

Who needs bread anyway? Ice cream? Nahhh!!! Chocolate? I'm sure that would be delicious with some titty milk!

[P13]

So it's inhumane to house cows for milk, but not humans. Peta must think cows secretly rule the earth.
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[mph4ever]

lads, my son had milk intolerance whilst a kid, we spotted it, millions don't. according to the specialists we brough him to, cows milk is not a natural product for us to consume, its not made for us, its made specifically for calves. the fact that it is used for the same purpose for us as other mammals use it for does not mean we should ever drink it, that it is transferable between species, its not.

like you also never give your cat cows milk. us and cats are the only animals on the planet that actually consume milk after we have been weened off our mothers breast milk or formula. cats only get it since we give it to them.

have you ever seen a cat poop after drinking cows milk?

[Apollyon]

my cats love cows milk and they crap just fine afterwards

we gave one of our cats dehydrated milk as a kitten because he had an intolerance for his mother's breast milk

what are you talking about

[DBoons Ghost]

lads, my son had milk intolerance whilst a kid, we spotted it, millions don't. according to the specialists we brough him to, cows milk is not a natural product for us to consume, its not made for us, its made specifically for calves. the fact that it is used for the same purpose for us as other mammals use it for does not mean we should ever drink it, that it is transferable between species, its not.

like you also never give your cat cows milk. us and cats are the only animals on the planet that actually consume milk after we have been weened off our mothers breast milk or formula. cats only get it since we give it to them.

have you ever seen a cat poop after drinking cows milk?


Calcium says otherwise. Does your son take calcium pills? I'm sure he does.

As for the bits about milk's purpose, you can only assume this is the case as you (nor I) cannot possibly account for how the milk was used.

Your doctor is bad at explaining. It's the pasturization and homogonization process that brings about lactose intolerance, not the milk itself.

[P13]

lads, my son had milk intolerance whilst a kid, we spotted it, millions don't. according to the specialists we brough him to, cows milk is not a natural product for us to consume, its not made for us, its made specifically for calves. the fact that it is used for the same purpose for us as other mammals use it for does not mean we should ever drink it, that it is transferable between species, its not.

like you also never give your cat cows milk. us and cats are the only animals on the planet that actually consume milk after we have been weened off our mothers breast milk or formula. cats only get it since we give it to them.

have you ever seen a cat poop after drinking cows milk?
It's perfectly natural, you're son just doesn't have the enzyme/bacteria to breakdown lactose into glucose and galactose so it moves through his system and makes gas bubbles. Drinking milk is fine for others who do have the enzyme (lactase).

[guitrguy]

lads, my son had milk intolerance whilst a kid, we spotted it, millions don't. according to the specialists we brough him to, cows milk is not a natural product for us to consume, its not made for us, its made specifically for calves. the fact that it is used for the same purpose for us as other mammals use it for does not mean we should ever drink it, that it is transferable between species, its not.

like you also never give your cat cows milk. us and cats are the only animals on the planet that actually consume milk after we have been weened off our mothers breast milk or formula. cats only get it since we give it to them.

have you ever seen a cat poop after drinking cows milk?

more people can digest milk just fine than can't. I don't see your point.

[P13]

It's milk from a mammal, they're more closely related to us than you would think

[mph4ever]

Calcium says otherwise. Does your son take calcium pills? I'm sure he does.

As for the bits about milk's purpose, you can only assume this is the case as you (nor I) cannot possibly account for how the milk was used.

Your doctor is bad at explaining. It's the pasturization and homogonization process that brings about lactose intolerance, not the milk itself.

we get our calcium from calcium rich vegetables and fruits, not milk, thats just a fallacy to make you drink it. years ago they used to say kids got broken bones because they were deficient in calcium. kids get broken bones because they are kids.

he is milk intolerant, not lactose intolerant. i know all about lactose since we spent six months trying to use lactaid and stuff to help him. his sleep pattern went to sh!t and we spent the first 3 1/2 years of his life without a ful nights sleep. its common problem that really never gets spotted and sticks with kids all through their lives, even if they cut dairy out of their diet

the only milk that is good for a kid is human milk. once off that then its not for us

[guitrguy]

it's so common it's kind of rare

[P13]

I thought he was like 10.
Never heard of milk intolerance, I plead ignorance :)

[DBoons Ghost]

we get our calcium from calcium rich vegetables and fruits, not milk, thats just a fallacy to make you drink it. years ago they used to say kids got broken bones because they were deficient in calcium. kids get broken bones because they are kids.

he is milk intolerant, not lactose intolerant. i know all about lactose since we spent six months trying to use lactaid and stuff to help him. his sleep pattern went to sh!t and we spent the first 3 1/2 years of his life without a ful nights sleep. its common problem that really never gets spotted and sticks with kids all through their lives, even if they cut dairy out of their diet

the only milk that is good for a kid is human milk. once off that then its not for us


Ok, now.. do you eat bread? Do you eat chocolate? Do you use butter or margerine? Do you like iced cream? Do you like whipped cream smothered on your wife's boobies so you can motorboat like a water skiing champ?

Hook up pumps to your wife's tits and have at it. I dunno what to tell you. I would love to see you make some bread with titty milk.

[P13]

the only milk that is good for a kid is human milk. once off that then its not for us
The funny thing is, most people aren't milk intolerant so that statement is very inaccurate.

[Otherside]

we get our calcium from calcium rich vegetables and fruits, not milk, thats just a fallacy to make you drink it. years ago they used to say kids got broken bones because they were deficient in calcium. kids get broken bones because they are kids.

he is milk intolerant, not lactose intolerant. i know all about lactose since we spent six months trying to use lactaid and stuff to help him. his sleep pattern went to sh!t and we spent the first 3 1/2 years of his life without a ful nights sleep. its common problem that really never gets spotted and sticks with kids all through their lives, even if they cut dairy out of their diet

the only milk that is good for a kid is human milk. once off that then its not for us

natural is a subjective term sorry

[P13]

Yo, man, humans are unnatural because we are sentient and ****, man.

[Dimmu Burger]

This whole idea is hilarious. They couldn't ever get enough human milk to meet the demand so its pointless.

[P13]

You'd think the first logical choice would be to urge the use of Soy milk, but nope, right for the ridiculous.

[Smokey D]

lads, my son had milk intolerance whilst a kid, we spotted it, millions don't. according to the specialists we brough him to, cows milk is not a natural product for us to consume, its not made for us, its made specifically for calves. the fact that it is used for the same purpose for us as other mammals use it for does not mean we should ever drink it, that it is transferable between species, its not.

It might not be produced by humans but it's perfectly suitable for human consumption. Whether something is natural is completely irrelevant to whether it's good for us. There are some people who lack the ability to produce enzymes to process lactose but that doesn't say much about the general population. Perhaps your son is allergic to something else, I dunno but the vast majority of Europeans are capable of digesting milk into adulthood. There are lots of people who can't process wheat or whatever but it's still appropriate for the majority to eat it.

For the vast majority of people cow milk is perfectly suitable for non-infant consumption.

Also, if you look at the distribution of lactose intolerance and compare it with civilizations who historically have used milk products, you can see there has been selective pressure towards milk consumption in those societies.

like you also never give your cat cows milk. us and cats are the only animals on the planet that actually consume milk after we have been weened off our mothers breast milk or formula. cats only get it since we give it to them.

So?

have you ever seen a cat poop after drinking cows milk?

If you give a cat milk from kittenhood does it still become intolerant? My thoughts is that it doesn't.

[Mr. Ron]

I'll support this as long as i get to milk em' ! LOL!!!!1

[pppoe]

Guys, I don't think they want to keep women caged up on milk farms. Relax.

[Mr. Ron]

why do you like to destroy my hopes

[P13]

Peta gtfo

[Angmar]

Wow, I wonder if PETA has any real understanding that cows are a domesticated animal now, they can't simply be turned free into the wild, also, if a cow doesn't get milked they get infections and can die, cows need to be milked. What are they suggesting we do with the milk, just throw it out after we get it?

[beso negro]

yea they'll probably get robots to do it sorry ron

[Reaganista]

this is a good idea let's get rid of all the cows

Wow, I wonder if PETA has any real understanding that cows are a domesticated animal now, they can't simply be turned free into the wild, also, if a cow doesn't get milked they get infections and can die, cows need to be milked. What are they suggesting we do with the milk, just throw it out after we get it?
no we kill all the cows stupid

[Aaron]

Attn: PETA
Re: Animals are less important than humans.

[Reaganista]

how is that a reason not to make ice cream out of human milk

[Apollyon]

it's the best reason

animals are just another tool for our benefit

we keep their population booming, we keep them from overpopulating and killing themselves off, we keep them free from disease and keep their bellies full of food

we control them, we can use them however we want

@ tway

[SnackaryBinx]

hell, if these animals really didn't have a need we'd have wiped them off a long time ago.

[Apollyon]

exactly

if all they did was wander around eating grass we would have gotten rid of them to boost our own resources

[Reaganista]

it's the best reason

animals are just another tool for our benefit

we keep their population booming, we keep them from overpopulating and killing themselves off, we keep them free from disease and keep their bellies full of food

we control them, we can use them however we want

@ tway

that's not a reason not to use human milk

[Apollyon]

yes it is

if that's not good enough, then human milk is disgusting and only fit for infant consumption

[Smokey D]

Reason is that cow milk is much easier to get.

[Mr. Ron]

lets just get rid of people that eat exorbitant amounts of meat instead. It will be like the most dangerous game but on a mass scale.

[Aaron]

I think its socially irresponsibly of PETA to suggest that human milk be used for commercial use.

[Reaganista]

yes it is

if that's not good enough, then human milk is disgusting and only fit for infant consumption
ya right i bet it's awesome
Reason is that cow milk is much easier to get.
spam is easier to get than lobster

[Mr. Ron]

Fun fact: Breast milk is sometimes blue.

[Apollyon]

ya right i bet it's awesome

it's thin and watery, lacks flavor, and only serves the purpose of transferring immunities and antibodies from mother to child

it's not the tasty cow milk we're all used to drinking

[FallingSnow]

We must lessen the suffering of cows. A grave and cataclysmic injustice is being done by milking them.


LOL. What a load of manure (pun intended).

[Aaron]

We're milking them for all they're worth.

[Smokey D]

ya right i bet it's awesome

spam is easier to get than lobster

Which is why people eat more spam than lobster.

I'm sure there's an market for human milk too.

[FallingSnow]

It must stop! We cannot continue to be such barbarians!!!!


:rolleyes:

[Reaganista]

it's thin and watery, lacks flavor, and only serves the purpose of transferring immunities and antibodies from mother to child

it's not the tasty cow milk we're all used to drinking
u just bought into the propaganda

besides we could breed women for milk quality

Which is why people eat more spam than lobster.
broke people i guess i never eat spam


I'm sure there's an market for human milk too
ya and there's no reason not to tap into it

[Apollyon]

u just bought into the propaganda

besides we could breed women for milk quality

how would that be more human than breeding and cultivating cows for their milk quality

you're going down the road of human milk farms

[Smokey D]

He's not supporting PETA's position.

He just wants human milk.

[Apollyon]

then he can impregnate his mother and suck on her tits

[Reaganista]

how would that be more human than breeding and cultivating cows for their milk quality

you're going down the road of human milk farms
humans can consent to sell their milk animals just get forced into it i find human milk to be more ethical and will gladly pay extra for it

[Apollyon]

then you can go ahead i will continue to drink cow milk

[Reaganista]

well i can hardly do anything to stop you in the present but i will be smug in the knowledge that history will view your kind as barbaric and mine as enlightened

[Apollyon]

:lol: ok tway nice troll

[Reaganista]

no i seriously dont think history is going to look kindly on eaters of animal products for example people will say things like 'mlk wow he was really great' then someone else will say ' nah uh he ate meat'
like the same way someone today always says 'u know he raped his slaves' whenever somebody says jefferson was pretty awesome

[Apollyon]

i already said nice troll you can stop now

[Reaganista]

no im serious

[pppoe]

George Washington was one of the biggest slave owners in his time.

[beso negro]

textbook troll tway nj

[FallingSnow]

So we're not supposed to drink cow milk because Jefferson raped slaves?

That makes a lot of sense.

LOL.

[Reaganista]

i dont see what's funny

[SnackaryBinx]

I hate Jefferson because he was a hypocritical douchebag, but that's just me.

[pppoe]

Churchill was a really terrible person.

[Reaganista]

in the future shortly after we're all dead george w bush will be revered as a hero but then in the more distant future he will be hated

[Sunshine]

Dairy products have been linked to juvenile diabetes, allergies, constipation, obesity

They're trying too hard.

[Jharaski]

Speaking of calcium and shi

Cow's milk really doesn't do much for your bones compared to other sources of calcium, because animal proteins make your blood more acidic - something the body counters with calcium, usually from the bones. So... =/

Soy milk all the way, as long as it's fortified with calcium. Tastes better too, and has less sugar.

I don't think I even need to comment on PETA's stance here other than calling them retards.

[Apollyon]

soy milk tastes like crap

[Jharaski]

No it doesn't, the kind I just bought tastes almost like pancake batter.

[Badmoon]

This craziness better not affect the ice-cream.

You ever have pistacio-pistacio? or Cherry Garcia? They're pretty good.

[Apollyon]

No it doesn't, the kind I just bought tastes almost like pancake batter.

pancake batter tastes like crap and not like milk so if it's called soy milk why does it taste like crap instead of milk

[Jharaski]

Well I hate the taste of milk sooo...

Soy milk competes because it can be used for all the same stuff. Got the same nutrients. And it's better for you because it's naturally cholesterol free and doesn't need the stuff milk needs to be made suitable for consumption.

[Apollyon]

i don't care milk tastes good

[Jharaski]

kk I have a test in the morning and I'm out of soy milk and now I'm sad and need sleep :(

[JohnXDoe]

this is the dumbest idea in the history of dumb ideas and the reason some in peta are just nut jobs

i don't want HUMAN breast milk in my food. call me crazy but that is creepy and how many women would this take? are we going to hook them up to machines and milk them?

well wait ok thats a plus but otherwise i've had cow milk all my life and i like it

i've had breast milk straight from the tit even more recently and its not bad....but i never sucked a cows udder so i really don't have anything to compare it to. i would assume its sort of different

at any rate i want my milk from cow / animal not a human being. in ice cream!

mama

no thanks

[masada]

No it doesn't, the kind I just bought tastes almost like pancake batter.

um why would anyone want milk that tastes like pancake batter

[mph4ever]

Ok, now.. do you eat bread? Do you eat chocolate? Do you use butter or margerine? Do you like iced cream? Do you like whipped cream smothered on your wife's boobies so you can motorboat like a water skiing champ?

Hook up pumps to your wife's tits and have at it. I dunno what to tell you. I would love to see you make some bread with titty milk.
i never said that you should use human milk

The funny thing is, most people aren't milk intolerant so that statement is very inaccurate.
lets call it dairy. most people don't even realise their intolerances. its too hard to measure, its not like they get a reaction that can be measured

bovine and human milk are drastically different. dairy milk has only 83% of the vitamin a contained in human milk, only half the niacin, and only 20% of the vitamin c. meanwhile, it has 250% of the protein and over 400% of the calcium of human milk. too much calcium is very dangerous to us. these are the differences before bovine growth hormone, antibiotics and bovine diseases are examined. i read suggestions that ovarian cancer, prostate cancer, diabetes, lymphoma, osteoporosis, acne, crohn’s disease, salmonella, leukaemia, lung cancer have all been linked to milk consumption. each mammalian species produces a very specific brand of milk that is suited to the development requirements of their offspring. mammals change the content of their milk at different times during the feeding cycle. the contents are suited to the requirements of that species development, not for others


It might not be produced by humans but it's perfectly suitable for human consumption. Whether something is natural is completely irrelevant to whether it's good for us. There are some people who lack the ability to produce enzymes to process lactose but that doesn't say much about the general population. Perhaps your son is allergic to something else, I dunno but the vast majority of Europeans are capable of digesting milk into adulthood. There are lots of people who can't process wheat or whatever but it's still appropriate for the majority to eat it.

allergies can be measured. intolerance is something that can't. you look to symptoms but they might appear hours or even days after consumption allowing little association with the origin of the problem.


For the vast majority of people cow milk is perfectly suitable for non-infant consumption.
only becuase they have developed a tolerance, it does not mean that it is good for them. the dairy board or milk board will tell you its good for you but they are lying. if some of the money they used to promote the qualities of milk was given to farmers of traditional crops like kale, spinach, turnip, broccoli, sesame seed, nut, flax seed, seaweed, fig, parsley, tomato, rhubarb, and lettuce then you would find we are getting our requirements satisfied by food that is much more natural to our disgestive system

Also, if you look at the distribution of lactose intolerance and compare it with civilizations who historically have used milk products, you can see there has been selective pressure towards milk consumption in those societies.

in the western world perhaps. 95% of adult asians are milk intolerant, 75% of africans. emedicine.com estimates that 75% of the american population is lactose intolerant . broken down, it turns out that only 25% of the white population (people with european heritage) are lactose intolerant whereas lactose intolerance among the jewish, african, native american, south american, asian runs at around 75-90% of the population. the numbers are very similar for canada.




So?

If you give a cat milk from kittenhood does it still become intolerant? My thoughts is that it doesn't.
we've had cats for years and giving them milk is just plain wrong, it really does cause them serious digestive problems. i don't think there is an mammal on the planet that produces milk for digesting during adult hood

[Orange Piggy]

Arr, mph4ever beat me to the lactose intolerance percentage thing. If you like, here's wikipedia's stats on lactose intolerance. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerant

I'm not trying to support PETA's suggestion. You can't mass produce ice cream with human milk so the price would be insane, and I'm guessing it wouldn't be half as creamy. The consistency would be like that awful 99% fat free ice cream. While impregnating cows constantly to increase yield probably causes harm (if you accept the harm argument to begin with), they still produce a load of milk without the technique and need to be tended to. Lastly, it's a nice evolutionary step for humans to take advantage of another resource as a substitute for something we can't get regularly. 7000 years is quick enough to get used to the stuff.

People are drawing up a strawman though. What PETA envisions is most certainly not a factory of human milk production. It's not a morally corrupt idea. Just a stupidly idealistic one.

[stevensonmat2]

Everyone always blabs about cherry garcia. They have such better flavors, people just like to mention garcia in conversation.

[mph4ever]

phish food

[JohnXDoe]

mint chocolate cookie > all

several years ago they had a peanut butter and jelly mix. some of the best ice cream i ever had

boob milk not required

[stevensonmat2]

Their cookie dough is my favorite; can't remember the name, though...

[JohnXDoe]

yeah the cookie dough is good. once in a awhile they have a "flavor of the month" i'll try. thats what the peanut butter and jelly was. they had some willie nelson peach cobbler not long ago i tried. and cinnamon bun stuff several months ago. cherry garcia is like a staple now or something

i don't go fo the ice cream with lots of different chunks of stuff in it or different flavor ice cream mixed up together. i don't like it too much. i like it simpler

[Reaganista]

i dont understand the objection to consentually acquired human milk if i valued the rights of animals it would be a very simple logical step to take

[JohnXDoe]

fine just don't tell me about it and don't make a point of it

and these women better be pristine examples of womanhood. no drugs, alchhol, or funny stuff in the blood

and where will we find enough milkers to fulfill our need for ice cream? and other dairy products? and how would we milk them. on lactation farms?

its stupid

although i'm all for big milky breastesses.

maybe we can give our women a lactation pill? then they can supply us all milk!

keep america healthy and cows happy

meh

[mph4ever]

well, its not really going to feel good going to the hard rock cafe and drinking a milk shake, the source information of which cites your aunty sheila's breasts

[GreyHam]

i always find it funny that people are so adverse to human milk but just love sucking on the baby food from an animal with 4 stomachs

PETA can be ridiculous at times, and a lot of ARA's distance themselves from them. asking an ice cream company to use human breast milk is stupid, lets be honest. its not viable. most vegans just want to do away with such products

the idea behind this idea of course is attention seeking, and its worked. so far people have addressed how women would have to be treated and how their diet would have to be regulated. regardless of how you think cows should be treated, if you understand that milk is a product of diet i am truly surprised that people drink it - dairy cow diet is grim, if 'regulated'

when PETA engage in irritating publicity stunts, i get cross, because there are so many people working towards abolition by education rather than making grandiose absurd suggestions like this

[JohnXDoe]

well, its not really going to feel good going to the hard rock cafe and drinking a milk shake, the source information of which cites your aunty sheila's breasts
4 srs. human breast milk is for infants and sometimes sex. not for regular daily consumption in ice cream and cheese

what if my sister signed up and i got some of hers. or some fat old ugly broad from down the street. i don't want that in my system!

i've been drinking cow milk all my life. its good, i haven't died yet

i think Peta does anything for publicity nowadays

"we are all human doesn't it make sense we should all consume human breast milk?"

no!

[mph4ever]

i'm sticking nsfw on this one anyways, it is relevent and not that bad, just loud, a vision of the future perhaps

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSy6JiQuIh8

[GreyHam]

well done peta, alienate the feminists as well

[beso negro]

Well I hate the taste of milk sooo...

Soy milk competes because it can be used for all the same stuff. Got the same nutrients. And it's better for you because it's naturally cholesterol free and doesn't need the stuff milk needs to be made suitable for consumption.

lol not at all.

soy shrinks the brain and increases estrogen. plus many people are allergic to it.

raw milk from grass fed cows is very good for you btw.

[Mr. Ron]

Silk milk is yummah

[Shady Ultima]

Wow, I hate PETA. I'm sorry but I've had soy milk and I can't handle it. It tastes like rotten milk mixed with some kind of lumpy stuff.

We've drank cow milk for a very long time because it helps keep us healthy. People who don't eat animal products have to take vitamins to keep their body healthy. Humans are omnivores, and we REQUIRE animal products. It's not healthy to eat only plants. In fact, you'd be healthier eating JUST animal products. I've asked many nutritionists about this, because I eat little to NO non-animal products, and the result has always been the same.

No other animals drink other creatures milk, but no other creature cook their food either. Humans can't handle most foods uncooked because we've been cooking since the dawn of time. Unnatural as it may be, that's how humans are.

[mph4ever]

raw milk from grass fed cows is very good for you btw.

no need for pasteurisation then?

[ThePalaceOfWisdom]

I think people are looking at this the wrong way, instead of putting women in cages we just need to eliminate sexual assault laws and everyone can walk up to any woman and suck 'til they're full.

I don't get PETA, from what I've gathered they're just another extremist organization who attract celebrity support because the celebrities need the publicity and then go around causing problems for everyone who doesn't agree with them. I mean I saw their whole arguement about KFC being inhumane and I wonder if theye ver stopped to ask themselves how a company based around the killing of chickens is supposed to be humane. This is just another nail in the coffin, I suggest they come up with some plausible ideas, I'm all for animal rights but if you're telling me I should have my icecream made with tit milk then GTFO.

[Reaganista]

im a feminist and im pro selling of human milk

[FallingSnow]

I really don't see why this is a huge issue or why it even made the news. It's so horrendously radical, makes no sense, and is realistically just another stunt by the already extremist PETA to get a point across (whatever that point may be; I'm still not quite sure).

[Reaganista]

point is we have a source of consentual milk we dont have to use forcibly taken milk

[FallingSnow]

"We don't have to use forcibly taken milk".

Are you serious? We are omnivores. We are built to partially live off of other animals' products, including thier meat and fluids. Those who don't out of philosophical principle often have to find outrageous ways to compensate (zillions of vitamins a day) or end up becoming very sick.

Do you propose we start eating each other's meat now, to avoid eating other animals and drinking thier fluids? Come on.

[Apollyon]

meat Is Murda

[SnackaryBinx]

Capitalization is key!

[Reaganista]

Are you serious? We are omnivores. We are built to partially live off of other animals' products, including thier meat and fluids. Those who don't out of philosophical principle often have to find outrageous ways to compensate (zillions of vitamins a day) or end up becoming very sick.
im not sure what you think you're getting at here but human milk is a "product from another animal" also
it's just not taken by force

Do you propose we start eating each other's meat now, to avoid eating other animals and drinking thier fluids? Come on.
yeah of course consentual cannibalism should be legal but that's a completely different issue in no way related to this one

[Apollyon]

Capitalization is key!

capitalizm*

[GreyHam]

urgh, get the facts straight

a balanced vegan diet requires no vitamin supplements. at all

a lazy, unbalanced diet requires them. but thats the same for any diet

and any nutritionist who tells you that a diet with no vegetation in is healthy is likely not to be a real nutritionist, but one you made up to back up a nonsensical point

[Smokey D]

allergies can be measured. intolerance is something that can't. you look to symptoms but they might appear hours or even days after consumption allowing little association with the origin of the problem.

If you can't trace the etiology you can't call it an intolerance. If you can trace it you can measure it.

And I'm not saying that all people are equally suited to milk consumption. I'm saying that for plenty of people it's a good source of nutrients and there's no nutritional reason they shouldn't drink it.

only becuase they have developed a tolerance, it does not mean that it is good for them.

To the contrary, because they have developed an tolerance (although I don't think tolerance is the right word because most white people are never intolerant) they can make use of the nutrients in milk, which makes it good for them.

the dairy board or milk board will tell you its good for you but they are lying. if some of the money they used to promote the qualities of milk was given to farmers of traditional crops like kale, spinach, turnip, broccoli, sesame seed, nut, flax seed, seaweed, fig, parsley, tomato, rhubarb, and lettuce then you would find we are getting our requirements satisfied by food that is much more natural to our disgestive system

Milk is far more traditional than pretty much all of those.

in the western world perhaps. 95% of adult asians are milk intolerant, 75% of africans. emedicine.com estimates that 75% of the american population is lactose intolerant . broken down, it turns out that only 25% of the white population (people with european heritage) are lactose intolerant whereas lactose intolerance among the jewish, african, native american, south american, asian runs at around 75-90% of the population. the numbers are very similar for canada.

That's what I said. Societies where milk has historically been used have fewer people who have problems with milk, which indicates there is a selective pressure in favour of milk consumption which indicates that once the problems of intolerance/allergy are overcome it's good for you.

[ThePalaceOfWisdom]

in the western world perhaps. 95% of adult asians are milk intolerant, 75% of africans. emedicine.com estimates that 75% of the american population is lactose intolerant . broken down, it turns out that only 25% of the white population (people with european heritage) are lactose intolerant whereas lactose intolerance among the jewish, african, native american, south american, asian runs at around 75-90% of the population. the numbers are very similar for canada.


Source?

If these numbers are correct then you're pretty much saying only white people drink milk. Also I'm trying to understand how you grabbed that statistic on Jews seeing as many Jews are white and have lived in European countries for centuries.

[JonG]

eating on some saggy witch titty milk ice cream is so disgusting in my eyes

that's why people who breastfed there kids past 5? are looked down upon

sick

[Reaganista]

no that's not why

but cows are at least as gross as people if not more

[pppoe]

JonG would rather sleep with a cow than a not so pretty female human being.

[Smokey D]

Source?

If these numbers are correct then you're pretty much saying only white people drink milk. Also I'm trying to understand how you grabbed that statistic on Jews seeing as many Jews are white and have lived in European countries for centuries.

It's true. Europeans are the most common drinkers of milk and have the least problems with milk.

I dunno about Jews but what what I understand it's a recessive gene in the Ashkenazi population.

[Amit]

i ****ing hate peta

i ****ing love tits

[ThePalaceOfWisdom]

It's true. Europeans are the most common drinkers of milk and have the least problems with milk.

I dunno about Jews but what what I understand it's a recessive gene in the Ashkenazi population.

Touche, but I still think his whole rant about milk not being good for people is a load of sh*t, scientifically you can find all sorts of connections to different foods having different effects on different people, but that's really no different than people who come from areas where certain viruses are rare are more likely to die because their bodies lack immunity, like those nomad tribes in papua new guinea who never come into contact with the common cold dying if they're exposed to it.

[iamjoe2]

lol i totaly see this as coming down to

PETA vs. ACLU

cage match, let em kill each other off and the world will be a better place.

ill make sure to order it on hbo

[Reaganista]

ummm this isnt a constitutional issue at all so the ACLU wouldnt have anything to do with it

also being anti peta is at least understandable but you are hella ****ing retarded if youre anti aclu

[WhoDidTheElf]

Dude, I wanna major in farming women's breast milk. Those classes would own.

[iamjoe2]

ok, how is makeing woman live like cattle not unconstitutional.

im not anti ACLU, i mean the premise behid it is good, i support most of what they do but some of their **** is just ridiculous.

like having the word "god" removed from the pledge? and other **** like that.

i just think they need to get their priorities straight.

btw how is abortion not infringing on rights?(another aclu stance)

[masada]

how is makeing woman live like cattle not unconstitutional. have you even read the constitution it's right in there

[iamjoe2]

oh! how could i forget, its in the bill of sex slaves, amendment #69!

stupid me

[WhoDidTheElf]

btw how is abortion not infringing on rights?(another aclu stance)

Technically the whole abortion thing is a "privilege" not really a right. Or that's what I've gathered from Roe V. Wade from readings of the judges stances.

[iamjoe2]

abortion is such a ****ed up subject, how is that **** legal, honestly?

[WhoDidTheElf]

abortion is such a ****ed up subject, how is that **** legal, honestly?

You mean abortion? Well the fact that there is no definition of when "life" starts and there is no line drawn between the baby's life and the mothers. So depending on were you stand on all of that, the legality of it can be more clear than others.

[iamjoe2]

straigt out of biology, 6 characteristics of life

http://www.essortment.com/all/characteristics_rbrc.htm

Theme #1 - Cells

Theme#2 - Organization

Theme#3 - Energy Use

Theme#4 - Homeostasis

Theme#5 - Growth

Theme#6 - Reproduction

fetuses cover it all, shits straight out off sophomore year of high school

[WhoDidTheElf]

While that is great and all, legally that means nothing because there is no clear legal definition of when life begins. Then also there is still the line to be drawn between the baby's rights and the moms.

Edit: sorry I never stated legal definition of the beginning of life.

[iamjoe2]

your rights end when they infringe on the rights of others.

is there any legal defenition of what is human? so i could go slaughter 10 million cripples and retards and claim there not human bucause theres i no definition of what is human and they are different therefore not human

[WhoDidTheElf]

your rights end when they infringe on the rights of others.

is there any legal defenition of what is human? so i could go slaughter 10 million cripples and retards and claim there not human bucause theres i no definition of what is human and they are different therefore not human

Problem with that is that there is precedent on what you can or can't do to people "deemed" human. While there is only a couple cases on the start of human life. Granted a court could break precedent, but the outcry would make a change on the issue very swift.

Edit: Rights by their nature take "privileges" or even rights away from people. My right to discipline my child takes away his/her right to not be disciplined.

[iamjoe2]

my right to be happy and satisfied takes away your right to live?

wicked.

[WhoDidTheElf]

my right to be happy and satisfied takes away your right to live?

wicked.

Yeah. Courts tend to "weigh" people's rights though.

[iamjoe2]

shame, i have my guns cleaned and everything...

oh well maby i can go use some aborted fetuses for clay pidgeons...

PULL!










what, did i go to far?

[Mr. Ron]

stfu

[Reaganista]

ok, how is makeing woman live like cattle not unconstitutional.

nobody said anything about making women live like cattle cattle are chattel property so of course owning women would violate the 13th amendment

making ice cream out of consentually sold breast milk is nothing at all like making women live like cattle though
which is the whole point of suggesting it to begin with


like having the word "god" removed from the pledge? and other **** like that.

i just think they need to get their priorities straight.

dismantling the last relics of religion is the most important task of our generation and the immediately following ones so that's a good priority

btw how is abortion not infringing on rights?(another aclu stance)
the aclu (and us government) stance is banning abortion infringes on rights of women
allowing abortion doesn't infringe on anyone's rights because the woman chooses it

[iamjoe2]

please hold, preparing to tear you a new asshole

[McP3000]

well thats violent

[Reaganista]

im still holding...

[iamjoe2]

[ASSHOLE RIPPING]
nobody said anything about making women live like cattle cattle are chattel property so of course owning women would violate the 13th amendment

only way to do it, like said on the first page of the thread



I mean, firstly, how do you even regulate something like this? It's not like cows, because cow milk is coming from farms and they have some set of standards. I don't really know how you do that with people. Short of keeping them in cages and monitoring their every meal, it just isn't possible.

the only way to do this would be to communistically regulate everything they consume or do. have you ever been to a diary farm? its the only way...



dismantling the last relics of religion is the most important task of our generation and the immediately following ones so that's a good priority

even if you are atheistic and dont believe in anything you still have to respect others rights to believe in a supreme being. 92% americans believe in God(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/23/ST2008062300818.html) dismantling their beliefs to satisfy the few radicals who believe in nothing is un-American.

i see it coming..."separation of church and state, man!"

learn your history, in england during the time of the revolution(yes the american one) the king of england was the the head of THE CHURCH OR ENGLAND. separation of church and state means just that, religion and government should be run separately. with no specific religion forced on people like it was in jolly ol england. many of our forefathers came to america to escape religious prosecution in england.

the aclu (and us government) stance is banning abortion infringes on rights of women
allowing abortion doesn't infringe on anyone's rights because the woman chooses it

go back and read my previous posts on this ****. no one person has greater rights than another

"all men are created equal" surely you've heard that before? its kinda in the declaration of independence.

[/ASSHOLE RIPPING]

[Reaganista]

[spatula RIPPING]


only way to do it, like said on the first page of the thread


the only way to do this would be to communistically regulate everything they consume or do. have you ever been to a diary farm? its the only way...


no it's not another way would be to handle it in the same way blood, plasma, semen, etc. donations are handled

even if you are atheistic and dont believe in anything you still have to respect others rights to believe in a supreme being.
no i dont who says i do

92% americans believe in God(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/23/ST2008062300818.html) dismantling their beliefs to satisfy the few radicals who believe in nothing is un-American.

first those statistics are wrong and second people who believe in god are wrong religion is obsolete and people are overwhelming moving past it outliers like iran are the exception that prove the trend

i see it coming..."separation of church and state, man!"

learn your history, in england during the time of the revolution(yes the american one) the king of england was the the head of THE CHURCH OR ENGLAND. separation of church and state means just that, religion and government should be run separately. with no specific religion forced on people like it was in jolly ol england. many of our forefathers came to america to escape religious prosecution in england.

im opposed to freedom of religion i believe in freedom from religion
the history of england is really immaterial to that
also we'd been independent from england for almost 13 years when the bill of rights was written "learn your history"


go back and read my previous posts on this ****. no one person has greater rights than another

"all men are created equal" surely you've heard that before? its kinda in the declaration of independence.

[/spatula RIPPING]
show me where i suggested any person should have greater rights than another

[FallingSnow]

All men may be created equal, but that doesn't mean all men are equal. Some earn, some forfiet, based on the decisions they make during their lives.

[McP3000]

the government shouldnt treat them any differently though, even though that is true

[sweboy]

The winning path here is to make genetically modified cows that produce human-like milk, something which some chinese scientists are actually working on right now.

[BridgeToSolace]

Or to genetically modify women to produce cow-like milk.

[EaterOfUterus]

Well you know breast is almost best. But even better is cheddar but the incest is by far the best.

Oh and when they get the female milk factories set up I will be first in line to do the milking.

[Reaganista]

The winning path here is to make genetically modified cows that produce human-like milk, something which some chinese scientists are actually working on right now.

actually that's what we in the business like to call lose-lose

[McP3000]

Well you know breast is almost best. But even better is cheddar but the incest is by far the best.

Oh and when they get the female milk factories set up I will be first in line to do the milking.
oh damn b& what a shame

[mph4ever]

If you can't trace the etiology you can't call it an intolerance. If you can trace it you can measure it.

causation? how can you test for an intolerance?


And I'm not saying that all people are equally suited to milk consumption. I'm saying that for plenty of people it's a good source of nutrients and there's no nutritional reason they shouldn't drink it.

sure, nutritionally there is no reason. there are other reasons though like the ones i posted earlier.

To the contrary, because they have developed an tolerance (although I don't think tolerance is the right word because most white people are never intolerant) they can make use of the nutrients in milk, which makes it good for them.

ok, sure there are benefits from drinking milk

Milk is far more traditional than pretty much all of those.

traditional? i'm not what you mean what you mean by that

That's what I said. Societies where milk has historically been used have fewer people who have problems with milk, which indicates there is a selective pressure in favour of milk consumption which indicates that once the problems of intolerance/allergy are overcome it's good for you.
i know

Source?

heres one, http://www.scienceinafrica.co.za/2002/june/lactose.htm there are many others.

www.emedicine.com too

If these numbers are correct then you're pretty much saying only white people drink milk. Also I'm trying to understand how you grabbed that statistic on Jews seeing as many Jews are white and have lived in European countries for centuries.
the jew thing was on a sheet i read some time ago. i thought it was strange too but then when i thought about it, sure, jews do look different, in the most part, they are a race onto themselves, perhaps because of all those centuries of inbreeding. the very fact that they are racist probably supports this also

Touche, but I still think his whole rant about milk not being good for people is a load of sh*t, scientifically you can find all sorts of connections to different foods having different effects on different people, but that's really no different than people who come from areas where certain viruses are rare are more likely to die because their bodies lack immunity, like those nomad tribes in papua new guinea who never come into contact with the common cold dying if they're exposed to it.
think what you like, read the above articles. something that your system is intolerant to could not be good for you.

ashkenazi, might be something to do with the 13th tribe, you couldn't really call them white europeans.

[FallingSnow]

the government shouldnt treat them any differently though, even though that is true

Why not? It's necessary in order to protect those who earn their keep. I'm far from a supporter of big government, but it isn't morally right (IMO) for those who make poor choices to be able to drag everyone else down.

[:amaze:]

i threw up in a groundhog's hole yesterday, i wonder how pita would feel about that.




:amaze:

[McP3000]

Why not? It's necessary in order to protect those who earn their keep. I'm far from a supporter of big government, but it isn't morally right (IMO) for those who make poor choices to be able to drag everyone else down.
im not talking about that, im talking from a social rights/liberties standpoint. Not economical.

[Smokey D]

causation? how can you test for an intolerance?

I'm no doctor, but as I understand it that's pretty much what a diagnosis is. If they can't determine the origin of an illness they can't call it intolerance (or AIDS or whatever it is that you have).

sure, nutritionally there is no reason. there are other reasons though like the ones i posted earlier.

As far as I can see, the only time it makes sense not to drink milk is when you a) derive no specific benefit from it or b) it actively hurts you.

traditional? i'm not what you mean what you mean by that

In societies where milk is widely consumed, it has been consumed for generations if not millenia.

i know

ashkenazi, might be something to do with the 13th tribe, you couldn't really call them white europeans.

Well you can. But they're a specific set of white Europeans.

[Reaganista]

well when did mammals first show up like 150 million years ago i think
was there milk before mammals
i doubt it but idk

[mph4ever]

I'm no doctor, but as I understand it that's pretty much what a diagnosis is. If they can't determine the origin of an illness they can't call it intolerance (or AIDS or whatever it is that you have).

you can't test for an intolerance, theres no antibodies or allergic reaction involved. usually its left to the individual to figure it out by a process of elimination. most people do not have the time for this and live with the effects. thats where the damage happens.


Well you can. But they're a specific set of white Europeans.
i think you will find they are non white originally, see the table

TABLE 2
Prevalence of Primary Lactase Deficiency in Various Ethnic Groups

Group Prevalence (%)
Northern Europeans 2 to 15
American whites 6 to 22
Central Europeans 9 to 23
Indians (Indian subcontinent)
Northern 20 to 30
Southern 60 to 70
Hispanics 50 to 80
Ashkenazi Jews 60 to 80
Blacks 60 to 80
American Indians 80 to 100
Asians 95 to 100

[Smokey D]

I know what Ashkenazi means. There has been an Ashkenazi presence in Europe for longer than many explicitly European groups. That they retain non-European traits (ie the recessive gene leading to lactose intolerance) does not change that they are both white and ethnically European.

[mph4ever]

I know what Ashkenazi means. There has been an Ashkenazi presence in Europe for longer than many explicitly European groups. That they retain non-European traits (ie the recessive gene leading to lactose intolerance) does not change that they are both white and ethnically European.

jews are jews, you can't really call them european, ethnically or otherwise, they have always stood out from the crowd, everywhere

[McP3000]

lol that sounded so racist

[mph4ever]

wrong words then but you get the point. i am totally anti racist, totally. i just would not consider the ashkenazi to be white europeans

[Apollyon]

what you consider them and what they are, are apparently two different things

[Smokey D]

jews are jews, you can't really call them european, ethnically or otherwise, they have always stood out from the crowd, everywhere

I mean I'm not an anti-semite but...

Give me a break. That's such patently racist clap trap. If you can call Anglo Saxons English you can call Ashkenazi Europeans.

[mph4ever]

I mean I'm not an anti-semite but...

Give me a break. That's such patently racist clap trap. If you can call Anglo Saxons English you can call Ashkenazi Europeans.

that must be a joke, i'm not racist in any way. i'm not anti semite either, not at all

[Smokey D]

It's just that Jews are Jews not Europeans they've always been different right?

[mph4ever]

It's just that Jews are Jews not Europeans they've always been different right?
smokey, if i were racist then i would be willing to admit it like i am willing to admit to other beliefs that i have. but i am not racist. and any suggestion of it is just plain silly and frankly wasting time

ashkenazi people can be traced directly to middle eastern origins. the fact that up to very recently there was little or no cross breeding with other races says to me that they are fairly genetically unique, borne out by the fact that they have a number of diseases, diseases which other races around them have overcome through inter racial breeding. they have preserved their own bloodline. how else can we explain europeans, eastern, central or western having 2-5% lactose intolerance and ashkenazis, living in exactly the same geographic locations, having 60 to 80%?

and on the point of anglo saxons, i really don't see a genetic difference between them and other english people so they are the same. most races that move to populate an area tend to be assimilated.

we are borg, afterall.

[Apollyon]

if i were racist then i would be willing to admit it

well everybody is racist to one degree or another there is no such thing as a lack of such so why not admit it then

[Smokey D]

ashkenazi people can be traced directly to middle eastern origins. the fact that up to very recently there was little or no cross breeding with other races says to me that they are fairly genetically unique, borne out by the fact that they have a number of diseases, diseases which other races around them have overcome through inter racial breeding. they have preserved their own bloodline. how else can we explain europeans, eastern, central or western having 2-5% lactose intolerance and ashkenazis, living in exactly the same geographic locations, having 60 to 80%?

All people can be traced to Africa. English people can be traced to Scandanavia and northern Germany. Celts can be traced to the Czech Republic and southern Germany. Turks can be traced to Mongolia.

Everyone originated elsewhere. That you can distinguish various allotypes or whatever in different populations and trace them to their points of origin does not in any way take away from what people are today. Ashkenazi have much more in common, genetically and culturally with east and central Europeans than they do with modern Middle Eastern populations even though you can trace their semetic origins back to the Middle East.

Ashkenazi are European Jews.


and on the point of anglo saxons, i really don't see a genetic difference between them and other english people so they are the same. most races that move to populate an area tend to be assimilated.

Anglo Saxons are English. They displaced.

[mph4ever]

All people can be traced to Africa. English people can be traced to Scandanavia and northern Germany. Celts can be traced to the Czech Republic and southern Germany. Turks can be traced to Mongolia.

of course they can. people migrate all the time.

Everyone originated elsewhere. That you can distinguish various allotypes or whatever in different populations and trace them to their points of origin does not in any way take away from what people are today. Ashkenazi have much more in common, genetically and culturally with east and central Europeans than they do with modern Middle Eastern populations even though you can trace their semetic origins back to the Middle East.

Ashkenazi are European Jews.

i wouldn't limit it to something as specific as allotypes. not only can you trace their genetic mutations and their higher incidents of some diseases by tracing their ancestry back to a small number of "founders", you can also recognise their ethnicity as unique due to political and religious factors and the isolation they lived in, perhaps similar in fashion to, say, french canadians can. we do call some people african american which denotes a difference in race.

[ThePalaceOfWisdom]

we do call some people african american which denotes a difference in race.

Do you Americans ever feel stupid for that term? I always see it being used as an alternative to black but many africans are in fact not black.

Again I still don't think this whole milk is bad thing is right. You brought up an interesting point about the intolerance depending on cultural background thing but it still isn't saying a lot. People are allergic to peanuts depending on their genetics and that doesn't stop peanuts from being a good source of protein. Just because certain people are lactose intolerant doesn't stop it being a good source of calcium.

[FallingSnow]

Wait, what? Weren't Anglo-Saxxons originally of Norse/Scandinavian blood? I'm confused.

[mph4ever]

Do you Americans ever feel stupid for that term? I always see it being used as an alternative to black but many africans are in fact not black.

Again I still don't think this whole milk is bad thing is right. You brought up an interesting point about the intolerance depending on cultural background thing but it still isn't saying a lot. People are allergic to peanuts depending on their genetics and that doesn't stop peanuts from being a good source of protein. Just because certain people are lactose intolerant doesn't stop it being a good source of calcium.


yeah, ok, there are constituent parts of milk that are good. but from what i have been reading lately, cows milk is fundamentally bad for us. its not just about intolerance, its about how it is produced, its about how it is processed, manipulated.

and its not an allergic reaction for most people, its an intolerance which is way more difficult to detect and deal with

[Amit]

do you have any proof of this

[mph4ever]

do you have any proof of this

of what exactly?

[Angmar]

yeah, ok, there are constituent parts of milk that are good. but from what i have been reading lately, cows milk is fundamentally bad for us. its not just about intolerance, its about how it is produced, its about how it is processed, manipulated.

and its not an allergic reaction for most people, its an intolerance which is way more difficult to detect and deal with

Not buying it tbh.

[FallingSnow]

Wait, what? Weren't Anglo-Saxxons originally of Norse/Scandinavian blood? I'm confused.

This is bugging me.

[808]

The Angles and the Saxons were from Northern Germany.

[FallingSnow]

Oh. I thought the Saxons were Scandinavian and filtered into the British Isles. My bad....got them confused with somebody else I guess.


/relearns western european anthropology

[808]

Yer. The Vikings went into the British Isles at some point but they weren't Saxons.

[Smokey D]

yeah, ok, there are constituent parts of milk that are good. but from what i have been reading lately, cows milk is fundamentally bad for us. its not just about intolerance, its about how it is produced, its about how it is processed, manipulated.

and its not an allergic reaction for most people, its an intolerance which is way more difficult to detect and deal with

That's such crap.

Milk is 'fundamentally bad for us' but only in ways that can't be shown or observed? Sounds like bullpoop intrnet hysteria.

There is no evidence milk is bad for people equipped to metabolise it.

i wouldn't limit it to something as specific as allotypes. not only can you trace their genetic mutations and their higher incidents of some diseases by tracing their ancestry back to a small number of "founders", you can also recognise their ethnicity as unique due to political and religious factors and the isolation they lived in, perhaps similar in fashion to, say, french canadians can. we do call some people african american which denotes a difference in race.

They might be a different ethnicity but it's a European ethnicity.

[mph4ever]

That's such crap.

Milk is 'fundamentally bad for us' but only in ways that can't be shown or observed? Sounds like bullpoop intrnet hysteria.

whole milk, or anything made of whole milk, is high in saturated fat, which increases cholesterol level. its has 400% more fat than what human milk has

milk is a common cause of food allergy (allergy to milk protein).
many people, most especially the vast majority of the worlds adults, lack the enzyme to digest lactose (milk sugar). this causes chronic bloating, gas, and diarrhea.


There is no evidence milk is bad for people equipped to metabolise it.

milk contains the antibiotics given to the animal to kill diseases and infections prevalent in dairy cows including mastitis.

milk contains bovine growth hormones which are not suitable for human consumption.

(ever notice the way girls these days have bigger bangers, i reckon its directly related to cows milk and injected thai chicken breasts. then again that might be a good thing :) )


They might be a different ethnicity but it's a European ethnicity.

when you put it that way then i can't argue

[Apollyon]

you know what sounds good right now? a nice tall glass of milk

*sip sip*

[McP3000]

I lost my taste for milk like a year ago

it was a really weird feeling :confused:

edit: Milk by itself. Milk-related products are the ****

[Smokey D]

whole milk, or anything made of whole milk, is high in saturated fat, which increases cholesterol level. its has 400% more fat than what human milk has

We have skim milk. And saturated fat is fine provided you don't consume obscene amounts. I'm willing to bet the amount of milk you'd have to drink for the saturated fats in milk to pose a serious health risk would cause it to come out at high speed before it caused any problems.

milk is a common cause of food allergy (allergy to milk protein).

Obviously any allergen is not healthy for an allergic person, but it has no bearing on people who aren't allergic.

many people, most especially the vast majority of the worlds adults, lack the enzyme to digest lactose (milk sugar). this causes chronic bloating, gas, and diarrhea.

Okay, but I've already qualified my statement with 'people who are equipped to metabolise it'. There is no reason why people who can process milk should stop drinking it.

milk contains the antibiotics given to the animal to kill diseases and infections prevalent in dairy cows including mastitis.

That's a very recent thing, and is easily streamed out of the food chain by processing.

milk contains bovine growth hormones which are not suitable for human consumption.

Likewise, a recent event and a relatively easily controlled one. Pasteurization is a genius invention.

And it's very infrequent for milk to contain hormones.

Also just because something seems weird doesn't mean it's unhealthy. There is an overwhelming consensus that bovine growth hormone and antibodies are perfectly suitable for human consumption, if not beneficial.

[mph4ever]

We have skim milk.

skimmed milk is actually a worse product for people unknowingly suffering from delayed onset food allergy to milk based products.

Obviously any allergen is not healthy for an allergic person, but it has no bearing on people who aren't allergic.

i am not talking about obvious allergic reactions in the sense of IgEs. i am talking about delayed-onset food allergy (IgG). the ones where people don't even realise they are allergic, its not even something they can test for.

Okay, but I've already qualified my statement with 'people who are equipped to metabolise it'. There is no reason why people who can process milk should stop drinking it.

i accept that but i would point to the fact that if 75% of the worlds population have an actual allergic reaction to cows milk then there must be something pretty unnatural about consuming it. its built for calves, not us.

That's a very recent thing, and is easily streamed out of the food chain by processing.



Likewise, a recent event and a relatively easily controlled one. Pasteurization is a genius invention.

And it's very infrequent for milk to contain hormones.

Also just because something seems weird doesn't mean it's unhealthy. There is an overwhelming consensus that bovine growth hormone and antibodies are perfectly suitable for human consumption, if not beneficial.
its not that simple. its still up in the air. i would genuinely err on the side of caution when i read articles like this

http://www.sustainabletable.org/issues/rbgh/

a bit of trivia, monsanto were the crowd that developed agent orange!

[Smokey D]

skimmed milk is actually a worse product for people unknowingly suffering from delayed onset food allergy to milk based products.

No it's not. Dammit you can't just say these things. I'm sure there are some cases where people are unaware of any allergy or intolerance but for most white people it's fine.

i am not talking about obvious allergic reactions in the sense of IgEs. i am talking about delayed-onset food allergy (IgG). the ones where people don't even realise they are allergic, its not even something they can test for.

Again you can't say there is a problem with something if you can't prove etiology.

i accept that but i would point to the fact that if 75% of the worlds population have an actual allergic reaction to cows milk then there must be something pretty unnatural about consuming it. its built for calves, not us.

No that doesn't work. It's only unnatural for people who can't metabolise it. Since most white people can there's no reason for white people to stop drinking milk.

its not that simple. its still up in the air. i would genuinely err on the side of caution when i read articles like this

http://www.sustainabletable.org/issues/rbgh/

I wouldn't. Articles like that are generally written by people with agendas. There is a huge consensus in favour of human consumption of bovine growth hormones, and even more in favour of the idea that they can be removed from the food chain.

[Charlie Daniels]

How on earth can you say that 75% of the worlds population suffer from something that you can't test for? Particularly if the symptoms aren't immediate?

[Smokey D]

Well most of the world can't metabloise milk, but it's not an invisible intolerance. It's pretty obvious.

[Charlie Daniels]

Well why can't the ones that can matabolise it drink it? :-S

[Iscariot]

i've been drinking milk since i was a baby i love the stuff

[Smokey D]

They can. That's what I'm saying.

[Charlie Daniels]

i thought he was saying that even white people are milk intollerant and they can't drink it and that's what you can't test for but the vast majoirty of adults have it?

[Smokey D]

Yeah, I figured that as well. I just meant that he is right that the majority of people can't process it but that there is no reason for the ones who can not to drink it.

[Smokey D]

It seems there are three main sorts of problems people might have with milk -- lactose intolerance, milk protein intolerance and allergy. While people who have these or similar problems, there's no reason for people without them not to drink milk.

[Charlie Daniels]

But wasn't it made for baby calfs?!?! :rolleyes:

[DBoons Ghost]

I think what mph is trying to say here is because his child is lactose intolerant, milk should be removed from store shelves.

My daughter loves milk. She loves drinking it. I give her organic milk in Skim Plus because I don't want her to have huge tits when she's 10.

[mph4ever]

I think what mph is trying to say here is because his child is lactose intolerant, milk should be removed from store shelves.

hahahaha, likes thats logical

My daughter loves milk. She loves drinking it. I give her organic milk in Skim Plus because I don't want her to have huge tits when she's 10.
still has them bovine growth hormones in it

[BridgeToSolace]

My daughter loves milk. She loves drinking it. I give her organic milk in Skim Plus because I don't want her to have huge tits when she's 10.

Wait, there's a correlation between milk drinking and tit size?

Milk is nasty, btw. Unless with cereal, in which case it's delicious.

[DBoons Ghost]

still has them bovine growth hormones in it


No sir. It doesn't.

[DBoons Ghost]

Wait, there's a correlation between milk drinking and tit size?

I wouldn't be able to prove anything of the sort, but I sometimes feel as though all the crap they use to make these cows produce more milk at less cost is certainly having an effect on all people. I suppose we just don't know what those effects exactly, are.

It's awesome companies meet their bottom lines at the cost of declining health of those they serve.

[mph4ever]

No sir. It doesn't.how come?

[DBoons Ghost]

how come?

http://www.skimplus.com/

[okay]

looks like PETA was successful

[Reaganista]

my sister has drank ridiculous amounts of milk her whole life and her tits arent big i declare ur theory refuted

[Mr. Ron]

so she has little itty bitty titties then


is this what you're saying

[Reaganista]

i guess

[mph4ever]

http://www.skimplus.com/


so it never gets into the cow in the first place. cool

[808]

I drank lots of milk as a child and I have big tits.

[DBoons Ghost]

I drank lots of milk as a child and I have big tits.

Wanna hang out?

[beso negro]

rofl dboon you're turning into me. next you'll be reading mercola and be trolled for talking about alternative medicine.

/only drinks raw organic milk

[stevensonmat2]

rofl dboon you're turning into me. next you'll be reading mercola and be trolled for talking about alternative medicine.

/only drinks raw organic milk

mercola! huzzah!~

[mph4ever]

No it's not. Dammit you can't just say these things. I'm sure there are some cases where people are unaware of any allergy or intolerance but for most white people it's fine.

i didn't just say it. i repeated it. it was written by Dr James Braly. People with dairy allergies react worse to low fat milk because it has a higher relative protein content than full fat milk. in full fat milk the fat actually slows down the absorbtion of the protein

Again you can't say there is a problem with something if you can't prove etiology.

sure you can. IgGs, intolerances are examples where causation cannot be proven except by a process of elimination. remove dairy, problem solved. test for an allergic reaction to dairy and it will come back negative. they are considered hidden allergies

No that doesn't work. It's only unnatural for people who can't metabolise it. Since most white people can there's no reason for white people to stop drinking milk.

lots of people suffer from poor sleep, ashtma, eczema, migranies, rheumatoid arthritis, hyperactivity, bronchitis, non seasonal allerigc rhinitis, bed wetting, colic, heartburn, indigestion, chronic diarrhoea, chronic fatigue, depression and diabetes and have found improvements in these conditions due to the removal of dairy from their diet. these people did not test positive for an allergy to dairy. they actually thought it was ok to consume dairy until they stopped and realised the benefits

I wouldn't. Articles like that are generally written by people with agendas. There is a huge consensus in favour of human consumption of bovine growth hormones, and even more in favour of the idea that they can be removed from the food chain.
most articles in support of dairy are written by the dairy boards which in america alone spent $180,000,000 convincing people that it is good for them.

vested interests?

one of the big benefits of milk is its calcium content, they suggest milk helps build strong bones and protects women from the onset of osteoprosis. the british medical journal published a report in 2005 that concluded that supplementing calcium and vitamin d in your diet has no impact on this whatsoever. as a matter of fact, certain studies have concluded that the more dairy products a woman consumes then the more likely they will suffer from osteoporotic bones fractures.

[DBoons Ghost]

rofl dboon you're turning into me. next you'll be reading mercola and be trolled for talking about alternative medicine.

/only drinks raw organic milk


Well I did spend 2 years under the care of a holistic therapist.

[Serenity]

Does anyone actually take PETA seriously? Repeated stunts like this make me wonder if they are actually a valid entity that accomplishes anything other than making fools of themselves.

We need to "lessen the suffering of cows"? We are omnivores, built and meant to consume the products of other animals. Making a personal choice is one thing; expecting others to live by it is ridiculous.

[ThePalaceOfWisdom]

Does anyone actually take PETA seriously? Repeated stunts like this make me wonder if they are actually a valid entity that accomplishes anything other than making fools of themselves.

We need to "lessen the suffering of cows"? We are omnivores, built and meant to consume the products of other animals. Making a personal choice is one thing; expecting others to live by it is ridiculous.

Yeah well, PETA isn't a reasonable or logical organisation. They think that not eating meat is the solution to all problems and they have no issue lying about things, like quoting studies that show meat is never meant to be consumed by people but forgetting their source for these studies. PETA quite simply are exactly the way they were portrayed in that southpark episode "Douche and Turd" they're just a bunch of goat molesting dumbasses.

[Iscariot]

PETA is the ultimate real life troll

i model all of my posts after their immaculate sense of logic

[Reaganista]

We are omnivores, built and meant to consume the products of other animals. Making a personal choice is one thing; expecting others to live by it is ridiculous.
again drinking milk from breasts other than your own is consuming products of other animals

[sweboy]

We need to "lessen the suffering of cows"? We are omnivores, built and meant to consume the products of other animals. Making a personal choice is one thing; expecting others to live by it is ridiculous.

We are also "built and meant" to hate and kill other humans, lie and deceive and if you're a man, rape women. So I guess there's nothing wrong with those things either.

[Bread and Faxes]

I doubt many women are going to give this away. Humans usually only produce it when they need it.

Cows produce it all the time. Thats why we use it so much.

[ThePalaceOfWisdom]

We are also "built and meant" to hate and kill other humans, lie and deceive and if you're a man, rape women. So I guess there's nothing wrong with those things either.

Which genetic markers tell us to rape people? Genetic markers tell us to consume animal products, there isn't anything in us genetically that says "hate that guy" or "force that woman to have sex with you".

[sweboy]

Which genetic markers tell us to rape people? Genetic markers tell us to consume animal products, there isn't anything in us genetically that says "hate that guy" or "force that woman to have sex with you".

No "genetic markers" "tell us to consume animal products" - genes construct a complex psychological being that likes to eat certain animal products. In the same way, genes construct a complex psychological being that has an inclination to show hatred against those percieved as in some way threatening, and that has a strong desire to have sex aswell as an inclination to sometimes use violence to attain goals.

[Serenity]

We are also gifted with the ability to reason though, sometimes for good, sometimes for bad. It's not programmed in us to always use violence to achieve mating goals, and we have the ability to judge whether or not something is truly a threat, and in what manner to eliminate the threat (including not killing it).

[sweboy]

Yes, so how is the fact that we are built as omnivores an argument against reducing the suffering of cows?

[mph4ever]

i reckon you lot should just give up dairy

[Iscariot]

lol the suffering of cows

if we didn't milk cows they would die of infection

[mph4ever]

if we didn't milk cows they would die of infection

no, they get antibiotics every day to deal with infections

[Jonny]

http://www.moomilk.com/faq.htm#How%20many
It takes 12 pounds of milk to make 1 gallon of ice cream= Lots and lots of lactating ho's to keep up with demand (although, to be honest, demand would probably wane if they started using breast milk)
Also women don't tend to produce enough milk for the general populus, and producing more than they have to can lead to health problems
http://www.breastfeedingbasics.com/html/oversupply.shtml
(FYI, the picture on that site is haaaawt!)
Mothers who produce too much milk may suffer from full, engorged breasts, plugged ducts, and mastitis. (See article on “Breast Infections and Plugged Ducts”). Sometimes they feel a few seconds of intense pain as the letdown (or milk ejection) reflex occurs, because it is so forceful.


And if you eventually did decide to do this, you would have to screen every single sample, much as you would if they donated blood. Everyone's milk would be slightly different. Cows are fed on the same diet and usually the all the milk in a bottle comes from the same dairy, meaning the milk is a consistant flavour, colour and texture. You can have no such homogeneity in breast milk if it's taken from a bunch of different women from all walks of life with different diets and even geographical locations.

Oh, and if you agree with PETA, why not just make some yourself?http://www.leebio.com/breast-milk-human-P401.html

Also one final point:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_it_possible_to_mass_produce_breast_milk_like_we _do_cow_or_goats_milk.

I think the last line sums it up nicely.
Humans are not cows

[Reaganista]

lol the suffering of cows

if we didn't milk cows they would die of infection
ffs if this idea was taken to it's logical extreme they would all be killed in whatever painless method peta prefers
but peta just said they ben and jerry's to make human ice cream they didnt say cows would be immediately given up