Well... Lars seems to been practicing

[FockerTheLopper]

Anyone hear Death Magnetic? I only heard the songs that they have up on the radio but I'm really liking it (and Lars)... Any thoughts on the album, things you liked things you didn't (try to keep it more drum focused but other things can come into play). I'm planning on buying it in a week or two.


I remember listening to one of the songs today driving back and thinking "I wonder if people on the forums will stop flaming lars" and thats why I decided to come back (I mean used to like it as a place to learn but it really got ridiculous before I left)

[sLarkin20]

Anyone hear Death Magnetic? I only heard the songs that they have up on the radio but I'm really liking it (and Lars)... Any thoughts on the album, things you liked things you didn't (try to keep it more drum focused but other things can come into play). I'm planning on buying it in a week or two.


I remember listening to one of the songs today driving back and thinking "I wonder if people on the forums will stop flaming lars" and thats why I decided to come back (I mean used to like it as a place to learn but it really got ridiculous before I left)

Never.

[Damo]

There are two reasons:

1) Digital Editing
2) Someone else played drums on this album.

:)

[FockerTheLopper]

There are two reasons:

1) Digital Editing
2) Someone else played drums on this album.

:)

I wouldn't doubt number 2, but if number 2 weren't true even digital editing wouldn't change what he was playing because they played everything "live"

BTW Damo hows the shop going?

[Aaron]

Practicing what? Over-playing and being distasteful?

[rohbit]

I like his playing. He does seem to have some new tricks up his sleeve and his double bass chops seem to have improved substantially.

The song "My Apocalypse" comes to mind.

[Damo]

I wouldn't doubt number 2, but if number 2 weren't true even digital editing wouldn't change what he was playing because they played everything "live"

BTW Damo hows the shop going?
A little slow this time of year, but still ticking over.

Personally, I think this album would have had as much editing, EQing and fixing-up as any other theyve done. The fact that they all played it together doesnt really mean a lot.

[j10p31c]

haha.. weirdly, my favorite metallica album was his "one beat" album [the black album]... he did the same thing in every song, but it went so well with all of them, that it didnt take away from the greatness of the cd.

everyting after that cd was complete garbage though...

anyways.. ive heard a few songs from this cd.. it seems like theyre ripping themselvs off.. except while doing that, they made it worse.

also, i dont really like the sound of the recordings.. although they are clear, and nice sounding, its almost annoying to listen to.

but you gotta dig that st. anger snare sound!!! :thumb:

[DrumIntoTheNight]

Lars doesn't seem to know what a double stroke is, and I find his playing unimaginably boring and predictable.

[ace76543]

he plays whatever fits, nothing more. that's not really a good thing but i wouldn't go so far as to call it a bad thing

[iamjoe2]

drums were waaaaay to loud on this album, like he was trying to make sure we knew he wasent using that st anger snare sound the whole time. and his playing was pretty mediocre... his playing fit the song,, but it dindnt add anything too it.

[Retarded Chipple]

Bah, I hate Lars' playing.....and Metallica for that matter. I saw a bit of them live and just wanted to give up on music forever. The blandness and predictability of everything they did was just nauseating.


There was a Metallica thing on TV last night and Lars talks like he's quite an intelligent guy but as soon as he gets behind his kit (they showed them rehearsing too!), he instantly looks and sounds like the n00b that never grew up. He has a nice set of equipment but he just makes it sound so disgusting. No amount of awesome gear can make you sound good if you have a crap touch, I guess.

[Fuzzy]

I'm diggin the album and Metallica as a whole, to be quite honest.

[sLarkin20]

I'm not.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Bah, I hate Lars' playing.....and Metallica for that matter. I saw a bit of them live and just wanted to give up on music forever. The blandness and predictability of everything they did was just nauseating.


There was a Metallica thing on TV last night and Lars talks like he's quite an intelligent guy but as soon as he gets behind his kit (they showed them rehearsing too!), he instantly looks and sounds like the n00b that never grew up. He has a nice set of equipment but he just makes it sound so disgusting. No amount of awesome gear can make you sound good if you have a crap touch, I guess.

Yeah I watched that, they all talk like intelligent guys, but 99% of the time they act like spoilt kids

[Linkinbassist]

I'm diggin the album and Metallica as a whole, to be quite honest.

Agreed. The hatred of metallica just seems like people are trying to find even the smallest excuse to hate them.

People are entitled to their opinions obviously, but the reasoning behind it can be a little obtuse. I find this album flows nicely and it's nice that they've harked back to the days of '...and justice for all' and such.

[sLarkin20]

Agreed. The hatred of metallica just seems like people are trying to find even the smallest excuse to hate them.

People are entitled to their opinions obviously, but the reasoning behind it can be a little obtuse. I find this album flows nicely and it's nice that they've harked back to the days of '...and justice for all' and such.

I agree because I fall into that category! :]

I won't like them no matter what kind of music they put out simply because of Lars.

[ace76543]

that's just closed minded and ignorant tbh

[mustang-monk]

Tbh i havent heard the whole thing, but the songs I have heard have been terrible. Its just so mediocre.

[rohbit]

I guess my question to those of you doing the bashing is:

"Who liked Master of Puppets?"

I think the issue here, Fokker, is that the majority of the people doing the bashing are ones who probably never liked metallica, so in that context, it's kinda pointless. It's like asking a muslim person what they think of Pork.

I've always loved metallica. Interestingly enough, Lars actually has some dynamics now. In a lot of old metallica songs, he used straight rolls, but he's actually accenting now. I've always liked his drumming and always thought it fit metallica's sound.

Hell, there's an interview on youtube with Dave Grohl and Taylor hawkins as the interviewers. As a diehard foo fighters fan, I respect Dave and Taylor, not only for their drumming - flame me as much as you might - but for their opinion. Yeah they're not going to diss Lars on Metallica's own show, but there's a level of respect and love for the music in question, that one needs to have in order to say yes to the job of interviewing metallica. They both seemed genuinely impressed.

Additionally, in regards to the "digital editing" comments. Yeah it happened a lot on St. Anger, but apparently Rick Rubin made them practice for 2 months so that they'd be able to play the songs end to end. I'd argue that while the drum beats aren't necessarily difficult on their own, in the context of a song they'd become quite difficult as you've got so many different parts. It's not one grooving beat for 6 minutes i.e. Black Album and on; it's a complete change in tim sigs everyone 30 seconds to a minute. That would be difficult.

Fokker, I personally love "The Day that Never Comes". Gave me chills. I need to buy this album so I can listen to the rest of it.

P.S. Damo, was it you or Bill who listed Lars as one of your influences?

[static]

to live is to die

[Hunted By a Freak]

lars rules

[honourosis]

frantic-tic-tic-tic-tic-tic-tock!

[interviewer02]

I personally think the new DM is a good album, and Lars drumming isn't great, but it fits. And the album is mixed fine, I don't think they were going to a sleek and glossy sound.

[rohbit]

to live is to die

123

Wicked song. I remember listening to And justice for the first time, hearing this song, and getting this feeling that it was about cliff, even though it's an instrumental. Went online, looked it up, and it turns out I was right. That's a testament to song-writing ability.

[Det_Nosnip]

What the hell?

...

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if you listened to the wrong album and thought it was Death Magnetic. My reaction was the exact opposite of what you're describing! I thought that everyone in the band stepped it up except for Lars, who continued to play completely bland, boring, and unoriginal parts. To be honest, I heard alot more (and better) playing on the black album...with this it seems like he pretty much just played generic beats the entire way through the album and hardly played any fills at all.

I dunno...I'll defend Lars' (studio) playing all the way through Reload, but the recent couple albums have been absolute garbage IMO.

[j10p31c]

I guess my question to those of you doing the bashing is:

"Who liked Master of Puppets?"

I think the issue here, Fokker, is that the majority of the people doing the bashing are ones who probably never liked metallica, so in that context, it's kinda pointless. It's like asking a muslim person what they think of Pork.

I've always loved metallica. Interestingly enough, Lars actually has some dynamics now. In a lot of old metallica songs, he used straight rolls, but he's actually accenting now. I've always liked his drumming and always thought it fit metallica's sound.

Hell, there's an interview on youtube with Dave Grohl and Taylor hawkins as the interviewers. As a diehard foo fighters fan, I respect Dave and Taylor, not only for their drumming - flame me as much as you might - but for their opinion. Yeah they're not going to diss Lars on Metallica's own show, but there's a level of respect and love for the music in question, that one needs to have in order to say yes to the job of interviewing metallica. They both seemed genuinely impressed.

Additionally, in regards to the "digital editing" comments. Yeah it happened a lot on St. Anger, but apparently Rick Rubin made them practice for 2 months so that they'd be able to play the songs end to end. I'd argue that while the drum beats aren't necessarily difficult on their own, in the context of a song they'd become quite difficult as you've got so many different parts. It's not one grooving beat for 6 minutes i.e. Black Album and on; it's a complete change in tim sigs everyone 30 seconds to a minute. That would be difficult.

Fokker, I personally love "The Day that Never Comes". Gave me chills. I need to buy this album so I can listen to the rest of it.

P.S. Damo, was it you or Bill who listed Lars as one of your influences?

most of the people who bash are people who say that they will never be as good as they used to be when they were drunk and had long hair. haha

i like metallicas old stuff... in fact, theyre some of the best songs/albums ive ever heard... but the new stuff is pure crap.

and i would list lars as an influence... but lots of people start out playing his old stuff cuz alot of it was slow, easy to figure out, and fit the songs well.

if you think of how long that guy has been playing, he should be able to do alot more than that to add to the music.

chad smith doesnt really do anything extravagent in rhcp, but you dont see anyone bash him, but thats cuz he adds to the song, and knows what hes doing.

[static]

123

Wicked song. I remember listening to And justice for the first time, hearing this song, and getting this feeling that it was about cliff, even though it's an instrumental. Went online, looked it up, and it turns out I was right. That's a testament to song-writing ability.

it's their best song, imho.

[Det_Nosnip]

Meh.

[raz0r]

chad smith doesnt really do anything extravagent in rhcp, but you dont see anyone bash him, but thats cuz he adds to the song, and knows what hes doing.

He dishes out some sick chops every now and then.

And to compare the two is just criminal.
Chad has one of the deepest grooves out there, Lars' playing has no depth to it at all.

[sLarkin20]

That is sort of a bad comparison.

Lars and Chad are nothing like each other.

[Damo]

P.S. Damo, was it you or Bill who listed Lars as one of your influences?
Definitely me. Just try being a metalhead in the 80's and NOT liking Metallica.
Lars was the first guy I saw that made drumming a VISUAL experience. Also, being the band leader, he taught me that we dont always have to be 'the guy at the back'. A drummers role is significant and we are able to drive a band, onstage and off.

Props to Lars.

Interestingly, I really dont rate Chad Smith. I never found anything he's done to be that impressive, even when it comes to groove. Then again, you can always pick a player and find someone better than him in any area, so I have simply learnt not to judge. Take players for their merits and move on.

[Hunted By a Freak]

i saw this thing on vh1 i guess mike portnoy gave lars lessons between this album and the one before it

he learned how to do hand hand foot foot

[Time]

all ive heard is The Day That Never Comes and Lars' beat in the intro ****ing sucks, pretty much ruins it

[static]

Props to Lars.

Interestingly, I really dont rate Chad Smith. I never found anything he's done to be that impressive, even when it comes to groove.


yeah

[Time]

new community thread

[rohbit]

Kinda cool:

http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/metallica-week-lars-ulrich-speaks-about-death-magnetic-172954

and

http://www.allmetallica.com/news.php?id=380

Lars talks about being a crummy drummer.

[FockerTheLopper]

I agree because I fall into that category! :]

I won't like them no matter what kind of music they put out simply because of Lars.

Why do you look in this thread if you know you aren't going to like it? This is why I left the forums, all these elitist drummers who can't apreciate good music for some technical reason

[honourosis]

good music

lol

[sLarkin20]

Why do you look in this thread if you know you aren't going to like it? This is why I left the forums, all these elitist drummers who can't apreciate good music for some technical reason

Honestly, because I thought the thread title was sarcastic.

I also didn't know you decided what is and isn't "good" music.

[Carn]

The Guitar Hero 3 mix of Death Magnetic is so much better.

[Hunted By a Freak]

seems to bean practicing

[Carn]

'Old Metallica' died with Cliff Burton anyway.

[Hunted By a Freak]

metallica died when el mexicano joined

[Det_Nosnip]

Right. :rolleyes:

...And Justice For All is a classic, guys...and I would go so far as to say that the black album was also great, even if it was different.

Focker: few of the people who criticize Lars criticize him for "technical" reasons. His playing on Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets, AJFA, and the black album was hardly "technical," but it was at least decent. Now, it's like he isn't even trying anymore.

[Hunted By a Freak]

:rolleyes:

[Time]

i love lars, his antics have provided me and my friends with hours of laughs. he is just such a douche it's ridiculous. although it's hard to pick just one, i enjoy this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1ZONJGjzHM

[raz0r]

i love lars, his antics have provided me and my friends with hours of laughs. he is just such a douche it's ridiculous. although it's hard to pick just one, i enjoy this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1ZONJGjzHM

"Don't tell me what to do!"

He sounds like an angsty teenager :lol:

[Drummer300btx]

personal opinion alert:

Lars is my favorite drummer and I like the way he writes songs and plays what he hears rather than trying to be impressive.

[pow3rtr1p]

seams two bee practussing.

The single was very boring, drums-wise.

[DxRocker]

Take players for their merits and move on.

Quote of the year.

The fact that everybody knows Lars his name (both drummers as well as none-drummers) should say about enough of his merits.

The dude accomplished a whole lot more then most drummers out there. A lot of what was accomplished might not have been behind the set maybe, but that just shows that being in the entertainment industry as a drummer, is not only about drums.

Fact is that there's a very good chance that nobody would have ever heared about metallica if Lars wasn't part of it. The same can be said about James off course, but still...

He deserves respect, even if it is only for putting Metallica on the map.

[ace76543]

He deserves respect, even if it is only for putting Metallica on the map.

putting metallica on the map was a pretty big thing tbh

[mustang-monk]

i love lars, his antics have provided me and my friends with hours of laughs. he is just such a douche it's ridiculous. although it's hard to pick just one, i enjoy this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1ZONJGjzHM

he is such a little bitch

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Dude have you ever had a bare foot ran over? It does hurt, and besides the guy was recording his drums for the album so he needs his feet.

[mustang-monk]

i had my foot run over with a fork lift truck and i made less noise. also had a nail thru my foot and i didnt scream and whine. Hes also a little bitch in general.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Meh. Low pain threshold maybe. End of the day does it matter.

He's clearly got something, cause lets be honest you don't get that far without a reasonable amount of talent(unless you're one of them mass produced bands that sell dance pop rubbish)

[Det_Nosnip]

Actually...that's not true at all. PLENTY of people have gotten ridiculously far with little or no talent whatsoever...I can't tell you how many lame Nirvana rip-offs in the mid/late 90's that were the newest biggest hit that I had the misfortune of seeing live...none of them could play. I don't really care WHAT you're playing...even if it's 3 power chord rock songs...but if you can't reproduce it reasonably well live, there's no point in doing it IMO. Singers are probably the worst lot...probably about 80% of popular rock vocalists from the post-grunge world literally could not sing.

The music industry is all about knowing people...actual talent is iceing on the cake.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Been going for as long as tallica? Or got as big as them?

[CasB]

The things I really hate about Lars is when he's playing a soft song (Nothing Else Matters or The Day That Never Comes for example), and he just wacks on the drums like a mad man. Where are the dynamics?

And now I hear it, The Day That Comes sounds the same as another Metallica song, but I don't know which one.

[Damo]

The worst thing is that just about everyone on here who's bagging him out would probably be the first ones in line to get an autograph or pass on a compliment to him if they had the chance to meet him.

God bless the anonimity of the internet, eh?

[Aaron]

I wouldn't, but more due to the fact that he appears very arrogant.

[sLarkin20]

The worst thing is that just about everyone on here who's bagging him out would probably be the first ones in line to get an autograph or pass on a compliment to him if they had the chance to meet him.

God bless the anonimity of the internet, eh?

I assure you I would NEVER be in that line for his autograph, to give him a "compliment," or whatever else.

I can't speak for the rest of the people, though.

[Det_Nosnip]

Been going for as long as tallica? Or got as big as them?

:rolleyes: And so the mother of all non-sequitor arguements begins!

[Hunted By a Freak]

The worst thing is that just about everyone on here who's bagging him out would probably be the first ones in line to get an autograph or pass on a compliment to him if they had the chance to meet him.

God bless the anonimity of the internet, eh?

yeah i dont like people like that

i dislike mike portnoy greatly and one time he came to a music shop across the street from my dorm literally like a 1 1/2 minute walk and i didnt go cause i'm not an idiot impressed by popularity

but people i know went who don't even like dream theater or make fun of them

idk

[Det_Nosnip]

What you don't like Mike Portnoy? But he does hand hand foot foot hand hand foot foot hand hand hand hand foot foot hand hand hand hand foot foot hand hand foot foot!!!!!!!!

[FockerTheLopper]

Well, seems that things haven't changed one bit around here, the forums seemed to have hit a low and looks like they're staying low, I'm suprised some of the helpful members have lasted, but I don't know, I can't take the fakeness of most of you people.

[Aaron]

Focker, everyone is entitled to their own opinion however it's formed [ie copied or not]. I recognise you may like Lars' playing, but personally I don't. Neither of us is right or wrong as music is subjective.

[leftydrummer]

The worst thing is that just about everyone on here who's bagging him out would probably be the first ones in line to get an autograph or pass on a compliment to him if they had the chance to meet him.

God bless the anonimity of the internet, eh?

haha so f**king true dude

[rohbit]

Well, seems that things haven't changed one bit around here, the forums seemed to have hit a low and looks like they're staying low, I'm suprised some of the helpful members have lasted, but I don't know, I can't take the fakeness of most of you people.

Actually, the forums have been getting much better. I enjoy this place way more than I did a little over a year ago when josiah was still around. There are fewer arguments and everyone seems to get along more or less. Yeah there are people who will grate the nerves, but that's life and for most part people are more helpful now. This thread might be a bit of an exception though.

[Det_Nosnip]

Well, the whole premise of this thread prevents it from being educational in any way.

[Seafroggys]

I love the songwriting on Death Magnetic, but the mix is TERRIBLE! Its so damn overcompressed at like -3 RMS, the snare drum clips....urg, its really hard to listen to, I have to turn it down. I can put in MoP or AJFA or the Black album and just pump the volume really loud, this I can't do it.

I think Lars' drumming on this isn't that great, but better than the Black Album. He still hasn't come close to his zenith, which was AJFA IMO.

But yeah, as far as the songs go, they are quite good.

[Damo]

Id put Puppets as his best performance on a recording. AJFA was too overdone, and Lars himself is even reported as saying he was out to prove himself on that album. I thought the parts in Puppets flowed much better.

Two great albums though.

[Knifeboy]

i love lars, his antics have provided me and my friends with hours of laughs. he is just such a douche it's ridiculous. although it's hard to pick just one, i enjoy this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1ZONJGjzHM

The funniest part about that video is the fact that they can sit there, four people, listening to that mix, and none of them goes "uuuh.... This drumsound... Doesn't actually sound ... good?"

[Det_Nosnip]

Id put Puppets as his best performance on a recording. AJFA was too overdone, and Lars himself is even reported as saying he was out to prove himself on that album. I thought the parts in Puppets flowed much better.

Two great albums though.

See honestly, I enjoy his playing on the black album the most. It was alot more restrained, but it actually GROOVED and fit the music perfectly. He also found alot of simple phrases that worked really well as hooks...little things like the BOOM TAH BOOM PISH segue into the chorus on "Unforgiven," "Tah-tahtahtahtah Bish" in Sad But True, etc.

If he was just trying to prove himself on AJFA, then that's a shame. What got lost, though, is the fact that his *slightly* busier playing FIT THE MUSIC better than what he's doing now. He's playing thrash metal, not AC/DC!

[Det_Nosnip]

The funniest part about that video is the fact that they can sit there, four people, listening to that mix, and none of them goes "uuuh.... This drumsound... Doesn't actually sound ... good?"

God, I feel bad for Bob Rock...it looks like he put up with ALOT of **** dealing with the group. "Go ahead, beat the life out of it...make me play in time!" :lol: :lol:

Granted, I would have said "go re-record it you little bitch," but I'm a naturalist.

[puppet.master]

i really cant stand the drumming on the day that never comes or whatever its called, sounds like a freaking 2 year old on a snaredrum

[Knifeboy]

God, I feel bad for Bob Rock...

I don't (well, actually, I feel bad for all producers BUT: ) that's his job, really. And he gets payed out the wazoo for doing it. Being a producer is kinda like being a kinder garden teacher. You have to put up with juvenile **** all the time

[Det_Nosnip]

Well, yeah...but then there's being a kindergarden teacher in a nice suburban school and being a kindergarden in the ghetto...Metallica seems to be the latter. :lol:

[Knifeboy]

Haha. I'd say it's more like being a a kinder garden teacher at a private institution where only rich snobby white bitch *** spoiled kids come in and think they own everything

[leftydrummer]

sadly us bitching about the pros and cons of his playing cant stop the simple fact that we are on Forums, and He's probably laughing all the way to bank. Lets just say He is good at what he does, and that's it hm?

[Knifeboy]

if "what he does" is make money, then yeah, he's a genius (he really is, he even makes millions on his art purchases)
if "what he does" is play drums, then he's pretty average

[leftydrummer]

well tbh most people on here probably wont admit it. But if they could make millions playing simple **** the rest of their lives. They would do it

[Retarded Chipple]

Lets just say He is good at what he does, and that's it hm?

Tbh, Lars probably just said he's good at what he does and left it at that which is why he's barely improved his craft since he started!

well tbh most people on here probably wont admit it. But if they could make millions playing simple **** the rest of their lives. They would do itYes and no. I'll happily admit I'd play simple stuff to make millions but the difference is I believe I'd play the simple stuff WELL.

Those pop drummers playing for people like Justin Timberlake and Christina Aguilira {sp?} . They're the owners of some incredible chops and skill but how do they make their money...?

[Linkinbassist]

Those pop drummers playing for people like Justin Timberlake and Christina Aguilira {sp?} . They're the owners of some incredible chops and skill but how do they make their money...?

By getting paid through the nose to play for Justin Timberlake and Christina Aguilera...

[Mikedrummer]

personally i think lars drumming fits in with the music perfectly in almost all songs they do. and i think mike portnoy and the like overplay like ****, even if they're obviously better drummers.

the hatred is a load of ****.

[honourosis]

justin timberlake > metallica

[static]

naht

[Time]

i defy anyone to watch some kind of monster and afterwards have anything positive to say about lars

[Retarded Chipple]

By getting paid through the nose to play for Justin Timberlake and Christina Aguilera...

Yes and they're getting paid to keep it simple.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Bingo, their music isnt suited to chops.


But man can those guys play

[Det_Nosnip]

Haha. I'd say it's more like being a a kinder garden teacher at a private institution where only rich snobby white bitch *** spoiled kids come in and think they own everything



Those pop drummers playing for people like Justin Timberlake and Christina Aguilira {sp?} . They're the owners of some incredible chops and skill but how do they make their money...?
By having ridiculous groove.

[adamon]

The fact that they recorded this album without a click tells me something about Lars....he still isn't that good, but he played very solid on this album.

There was no protools, no click track, and they didn't record it together as a band, they did instruments seperately, just without the click.

If I had to complain about anything in the "drum" category of the album is that for some reason the snare sounds different in some songs. There's some songs where it sounds like its leaning towards that St. Anger sound, then it sounds alot more dry on other tracks. The drums are WAY too loud, and the I don't like the mix of the album at all.

[Knifeboy]

There was no protools, no click track, and they didn't record it together as a band, they did instruments seperately, just without the click.


Where'd you hear that?

[Seafroggys]

"no protools"

what the hell is that supposed to mean?

[Time]

it means they didn't use this computer recording software called "protools"

duh

[sLarkin20]

Yeah, duh.

[Time]

quit bitin my stilo

[Det_Nosnip]

Actually...the implication is that they didn't use some of the more "creative" aspects of the pro-tools recording program...e.g. "I slowed down during that last bar, can you fix that?" or "James was a little out of key during that verse...mind cleaning that up?"

[Time]

i was sarcasming

[Damo]

Being a producer is kinda like being a kinder garden teacher. You have to put up with juvenile **** all the time
Hey, thats like being a mod here! :)

[Seafroggys]

Actually...the implication is that they didn't use some of the more "creative" aspects of the pro-tools recording program...e.g. "I slowed down during that last bar, can you fix that?" or "James was a little out of key during that verse...mind cleaning that up?"

Well yeah, that's kinda what I was getting at. Do they mean they didn't use ProTools the DAW program? Or that they didn't use the digital editing tools that every DAW program has, but is somehow associated with ProTools?

[Knifeboy]

Hey, thats like being a mod here! :)

Difference being you don't get paid millions for doing so ;)

[static]

Hey, thats like being a mod here! :)

except producing takes skill

[sLarkin20]

OOOOOOOHHHHHHHHH snap.

[static]

oshi-

[Det_Nosnip]

Hey, thats like being a mod here! :)

lol.

[Det_Nosnip]

Difference being you don't get paid millions for doing so ;)

Or a mediocre teacher's salary. :p

[Damo]

except producing takes skill
...and producers work for people who have a future.

[Seafroggys]

except producing takes skill

something trolling doesn't take.

[sLarkin20]

I disagree.

A GOOD troll is something to behold.

[Hunted By a Freak]

hey det i am thinking about being a teacher

how does a teacher's salary hold up to living in a city like chicago? i don't expect to make a ton, but it would be nice to live comfortably

i assume you are single and without child

[Apollyon]

new album is good

the guitar solos are the same in every single song but the music is a throwback to their earlier days and it's a nice recovery from st. anger

LOL @ all the "lars is sooooo predictable ugh he is just not stylish enough" comments

grow a pair

his drumming fits the music

if you want flashy obnoxious over-the-top garbage drumming then record yourself playing and listen to it over and over again or go buy a couple of dragonforce albums

[Det_Nosnip]

hey det i am thinking about being a teacher

how does a teacher's salary hold up to living in a city like chicago? i don't expect to make a ton, but it would be nice to live comfortably

i assume you are single and without child

Well, I'm single for tax purposes, at least. ;)

It depends where you are. The salaries around here are actually pretty decent...starting salary for Chicago teachers is around $46k. When you get a Master's degree, that jumps up to even higher. Granted, it's not exactly executive/billionaire level, but more than enough to live comfortably IMO, particularly when the trade off is: more rewarding/interesting work, 4 months of standard vacation, etc.

[sLarkin20]

What do you teach?

[Motleyguy]

I can honestly say that from what I've heard of Death Magnetic (Day That Never Comes, My Apocalypse, and a couple others), it contains some of, if not the absolute, worst drumming I have ever heard. The "groove" in Day That Never Comes isn't a groove, it sounds like a 10 year old who just got a new set of drums for Christmas. And what's up with the fills in the intro? Ruined it within the first 30 seconds. Then again, it isn't all Lars' fault, the songwriting was garbage anyways. None of it is interesting, and I'm pretty sure I could find a group of 12 - 14 year old kids who could write better songs than that, and execute them much better as well. I'm not even going to start on the mixing and mastering aspect of the whole thing either... just gonna say it sounds like ***, no matter what you play it through. Taking part in the Loudness Wars and Over compression aren't good things. Just my opinion, take it or leave it.

[static]

...and producers work for people who have a future.

kkk

[leftydrummer]

I can honestly say that from what I've heard of Death Magnetic (Day That Never Comes, My Apocalypse, and a couple others), it contains some of, if not the absolute, worst drumming I have ever heard. The "groove" in Day That Never Comes isn't a groove, it sounds like a 10 year old who just got a new set of drums for Christmas. And what's up with the fills in the intro? Ruined it within the first 30 seconds. Then again, it isn't all Lars' fault, the songwriting was garbage anyways. None of it is interesting, and I'm pretty sure I could find a group of 12 - 14 year old kids who could write better songs than that, and execute them much better as well. I'm not even going to start on the mixing and mastering aspect of the whole thing either... just gonna say it sounds like ***, no matter what you play it through. Taking part in the Loudness Wars and Over compression aren't good things. Just my opinion, take it or leave it.

Hmm MotleyGuy..I take it your a crew fan huh? than you must know of shitty drumming. Jeez everyone is a critic.(Including me =))

[Motleyguy]

Hmm MotleyGuy..I take it your a crew fan huh? than you must know of poopty drumming. Jeez everyone is a critic.(Including me =))

Tommy has some things that Lars seriously lacks... groove, chops and some shred of creativity. Listen to the self titled Crue album... quite impressive.

By the way it's "Crue" not "Crew"... n00b.

[leftydrummer]

Tommy has some things that Lars seriously lacks... groove, chops and some shred of creativity. Listen to the self titled Crue album... quite impressive.

By the way it's "Crue" not "Crew"... n00b.

..is that why he hasn't done a thing interesting since? sides Pamela..MC has 1 decent album. Met has 4 albums that run circles around it.

[rohbit]

Tommy has some things that Lars seriously lacks... groove, chops and some shred of creativity. Listen to the self titled Crue album... quite impressive.

By the way it's "Crue" not "Crew"... n00b.

I have nothing against Tommy as a drummer, but in my opinion the Crue... they're terrible song-writers.

[Motleyguy]

Too Fast For Love, Shout at the Devil, Dr. Feelgood, Self titled. That makes 4 fantastic albums, and Generation Swine was decent as well. Metallica is all like "Yeah, awesome let's play another 8 minute metal opus that doesn't sound too much different than the one we just played."

Don't get me wrong, I don't mind some of the older Metallica stuff, but generally it's boring. The Crue is party music, and they rock hard.

[static]

if by rock hard you mean suck about 4.89 penises a piece then yes they rock hard

[Ishmael]

wow this is the first time i been on in years and there are people still bashing lars?? come on you guys at least he is still making other albums while you guys are still making new threads.. who should feel degraded here??

[Cheungman]

^ so is britney spears, I'm not degraded.

[Seafroggys]

Britney's involvement with her "albums" is very miniscule. They just tell her to "sing" certain lyrics, and that's it. Everything else is handled by everybody else.

While Metallica does have a producer, they do far more work.

[Ishmael]

^ thank you! come to think about it.. who compares britney to metallica?

[Seafroggys]

Anybody who needs desperate justification for calling a band bad.

[Ishmael]

plausible... but anyway new metallica not soo bad.. lightning and master were classics... and justice

[Seafroggys]

as I said, Death Magnetic is a good album, just the production sucks ***. As far as Lars' drumming, its not that much different, for better or worse, than the Black Album.

[DxRocker]

Britney's involvement with her "albums" is very miniscule. They just tell her to "sing" certain lyrics, and that's it. Everything else is handled by everybody else.


And according to Henry Rollins, who claims to know the sound engineer of the studio she records at, 75% of her lyrics are mixed with a second voice of some fat mama to make it sound decent :smash:

[Det_Nosnip]

...yet she STILL sounds horrible. :rolleyes:

[Cheungman]

Anybody who needs desperate justification for calling a band bad.

thats funny, i've never called metallica bad. I mention the britney to say that just because people are more famous doesn't mean they are in a position to degrade anyone.

[ace76543]

well the point is he's a billionaire and none of you are so whether you like him or not you have to admit he's doing something right so everyone stfu

[Cheungman]

How about no? I don't care if hes a billionaire (i doubt it). That doesn't mean we can't express opinions.

[ace76543]

they're billionaires

[trysthedrummer]

Millionaires more like...

[sLarkin20]

well the point is he's a billionaire and none of you are so whether you like him or not you have to admit he's doing something right so everyone stfu

Are you kidding?

Being popular does not equate talented.

Example: many pop-rock bands today.

All that means is they do something that appeals to the masses.

Also, they are not billionaires.

[Seafroggys]

Seriously, I think the only musicians who are billionaires are Paul mcCartney and Michael Jackson, no one else is anywhere close to being that rich.

[Retarded Chipple]

Surely some songwriters who've written MASSIVE songs must be close...?



Wait.....a billion is a hell of a lot.......why would you ever need that much.

[sLarkin20]

Seriously, I think the only musicians who are billionaires are Paul mcCartney and Michael Jackson, no one else is anywhere close to being that rich.

I don't think Michael Jackson is, but I'm pretty sure McCartney is worth at least a billion.

[Seafroggys]

no, I know for a fact McCartney is, there was a big deal on the news when he became one, it was about 8-9 years ago or something.

I guessed about MJ though, you're probably right, he's probably not one.

[Knifeboy]

Seriously, I think the only musicians who are billionaires are Paul mcCartney and Michael Jackson, no one else is anywhere close to being that rich.

Michael Jackson is supposedly pretty poor actually

[Carn]

Wait.....a billion is a hell of a lot.......why would you ever need that much.

or even 700 of them.

[Det_Nosnip]

I'm fairly certain that P Diddy and Jay Z are both ridiculously wealthy.

[Apollyon]

but they're not musicians

[sLarkin20]

Daaaaaang.

[Det_Nosnip]

but they're not musicians

:rolleyes:

They absolutely are and Jay Z is a fantastic musician.

[Motleyguy]

Seriously, I think the only musicians who are billionaires are Paul mcCartney and Michael Jackson, no one else is anywhere close to being that rich.

U2 is actually worth billions. That's what happens when you own your own master tapes.

[Apollyon]

:rolleyes:

They absolutely are and Jay Z is a fantastic musician.

ok what have they composed

what instruments do they play

what other notable musicians have they performed with

or are they just hip-hop chart toppers who can't carry a tune

not to mention you're praising two of the biggest sellouts in the modern rap industry how did you become a moderator on a music message board

[DxRocker]

I guessed about MJ though, you're probably right, he's probably not one.

MJ used to be a billionaire. In fact, he used to be the wealthiest musician of all time (when speaking of wealth earned directly from making music).

His incomes dropped dramatically when his popularity plummethed (mostly because of the pedo lawsuits launched against him), but he never changed his expenses.

Now he's a dude with a sh!tload of debts and lucky to still have a roof over his head (and a nose on his face :smash: )

[Det_Nosnip]

ok what have they composed
5? 6 albums worth of material? :confused: IDK check allmusic.

what instruments do they play
Mmm not sure but considering both have done extensive producing I wouldn't be surprised if they play several.

what other notable musicians have they performed with
Since when does that make one a musician? :rolleyes:

or are they just hip-hop chart toppers who can't carry a tune
lolz omg they r rap they must SUCK!!

not to mention you're praising two of the biggest sellouts in the modern rap industry



I met a boy wearing vans 501
and a dope beastie-tee,
nipple rings, new tattoos
that claimed that he was OGT
back from '92
from the first EP
and in between
sips of coke
he told me
that he thought we were
sellin' out
layin' down
suckin' up
to the man
Well now I've got some advice for you, little buddy.
Before you point your finger you should know that I'm the man
and if I'm the man, then you're the man, and he's the man as well
so you can point that ****in' finger up your ***
All you know about me is what I've sold you,
Dumb ****.
I sold out long before you ever even heard my name.
I sold my soul to make a record,
Dip ****,
and then you bought one.
I've got some Advice for you, little buddy.
Before you point your finger you should know that I'm the man.
If I'm the ****in' man then you're the ****in' man as well,
So you can point that ****in' finger up your ***
All you
read and
Wear or
see and
Hear on
TV
Is a
product
Begging
for your
Fatass
dirty
Dollar.
So ... Shut up and
Buy, my
Buy, my
new record
Buy, my
Buy,
Send more money
(**** you, buddy)


how did you become a moderator on a music message board
By not being a moron.

[Time]

umm you don't have to play an acoustic instrument to be a musician, even retarded people know that

[whatthedeath?!?]

umm you don't have to play an acoustic instrument to be a musician, even retarded people know that


Ummmm....:amaze:

Okay. Maybe not, but it sure as hell helps.


Back to the topic at hand:

Okay. So Lars is really influential, got a lot of kids started on drums, makes millions, is the band leader of one of the richest bands of all time...etc etc.

He still does not impress me. In fact, I can't listen to most Metallica, because of him most of the time. Which kind of sucks, because Kirk and James, really aren't that bad at what they do. People may say it fits the music, but the fact is, I LIKE the music. I hate the drumming. How does that fit?

[trysthedrummer]

I think Mcartney, according to forbes last time it was on tv, was worth about 600 million.

[sLarkin20]

Drummers put words in people's mouths?

[sLarkin20]

I see.

[Vannaroth]

I can't believe some people still like to complain about Metallica being "sellouts", I mean really it makes me roll my eyes every time I see it. Bonus points for throwing in a "rappers aren't musicians" comment. Seriously, bravo.

[Hunted By a Freak]

i dont think music is music

[Vannaroth]

um hi my name is apollyon and earlier in this thread i criticized people for calling metallica sellouts

god you people are retarded learn to how to read and ascertain the current topic of discussion

Oh well don't get me wrong I was going to read the thread, but you have to admit you're pretty boring so I can't really be blamed for not keeping up with whatever it is you said.

[Apollyon]

i'm sorry if speaking above the level of people who hit things with sticks is boring to you i'll try to dumb my language down a bit in the future

[Hunted By a Freak]

bam

bam bam

[Vannaroth]

i'm sorry if speaking above the level of people who hit things with sticks is boring to you i'll try to dumb my language down a bit in the future

That was pretty appalling, man.

[Det_Nosnip]

i didn't ask what their label produced i asked what they composed
Both artists compose a majority (if not all) of their music.


ok so you can't actually answer the question
It's a moot point either way because playing an instrument does not make one a musician. They both use their voices as instruments so there you go.


well you know when you turn on that thing between your ears and think about it musicians typically perform with other musicians at least on occasion because collaborative efforts are a great example of musicianship
Not really...there are plenty of brilliant musicians who did little or no collaborating. That being said, but Diddy and Jay-Z have collaborated with about a gazillion other artists. Granted, they're mostly (not all) within the hip-hop genre, but that is irrelevant.


moron i didn't say that

i like rap, but i don't consider someone who simply writes lyrics and raps in monotone fashion a musician
That's nice, but you're also not an authority on the matter. Just about every real authority on the matter DOES consider what they do music, and you'll have a heck of a time creating an arguement that it isn't.


oh yeah obviously
You should try it some time.

[sLarkin20]

um hi my name is apollyon and earlier in this thread i criticized people for calling metallica sellouts

god you people are retarded learn to how to read and ascertain the current topic of discussion

Not everyone sits on here and refreshes the page over and over in eager hopes to continue arguing with people over the Internet and has entire threads memorized, like apparently you do.

God you are retarded learn how to use punctuation if you are going to attempt to insult other people.

[Apollyon]

God, you people are retarded. Learn to how to read and ascertain the current topic of discussion.

There, better?

[Hunted By a Freak]

God, you are retarded. Learn how to use punctuation if you are going to attempt to insult other people.

God in heaven

[sLarkin20]

Don't turn my words into blasphemies!

[Hunted By a Freak]

ascertain ascertain ascertain a certain thing

[sLarkin20]

Did you just create a song?

[rohbit]

I think this thread should be closed. My reasons:

1) Looking at Appolyon's posts in other forums, he seems to be a **** disturber just for the sake of **** disturbing.

2) The thread is no longer about Lars' drumming.

3) i think people who ignore capital letters are idiots. end of story.

[Damo]

Done.

[Apollyon]

hey everyone pay attention

using capital letters and proper punctuation on a message board is very, very important

if you don't utilize these tools you are obviously possessing very minimal intelligence and your punctuation-using counterparts will prove themselves vastly superior to yourself

also using capital letters and periods gives you a much, much larger penis and women will totally respect you for it