Science Does Not Support Abortion

[EaterOfUterus]

Many of you progressive thinkers support abortion on the basis of science. You make scientific arguments that abortion is okay, even though it undeniably destroys life. At this rate we ought to be giving free heroin to expecting mothers so we can make sure their babies are profoundly retarded and addicted when they enter post-natal life.

But now I will provide a scientific argument for why abortion is wrong and should be outlawed.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Now you will say, "But Eater, the Declaration is of no legal standing in the courts today, it is not a legal document."

Well that may be true, but I am not saying it has any legal standing in a court of law, but rather, that it is a scientific document.

What is science? Well it typically involves a hypothesis, then observations, and then one should form a conclusion. That is science in a nutshell.

Why is the Declaration a scientific document?

Well, first off it includes a hypothesis, or a statement to be verified.

The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states

Their assertion or hypothesis is clearly that the reign of George was one of tyranny and despotism and that they must secede from the motherland.

Secondly, observations are made that may substantiate or invalidate the hypothesis or assertion.

Finally they come to a conclusion, that based on their findings (or observations) they must now recognize the tyranny among them and remove themselves from the situation.

They made an assertion that George was a despot, they backed up their hypothesis with numerous and copious observations, and came to the conclusion that he was indeed a despot and that as a result of their scientific examination, they would then secede.

Now we see that the Declaration is a scientific document.

I would submit to you that as a scientific document that upholds the rights to life and the pursuit of happiness, we must present this admissible evidence in a court of law and strike down Roe.

[RNR]

**** science. I'll kill my unborn child if I so please. And that bitch better not have any objections or else she goes too.

[EaterOfUterus]

**** science. I'll kill my unborn child if I so please. And that bitch better not have any objections or else she goes too.

You are a lunatic. You are a savage beast who must be removed from this planet. I would not advocate your murder but an isolation chamber would be good for you.

[RNR]

I would **** that isolation chamer in its isolation anus until it let me go.

[GUTS]

If i have a little alien parasite growing in my belly, i should be able to do what ever the hell i want with it. keep it, kill it, eat it, it depends on me. If abortion is outlawed do you think that it would stop it? humans have been aborting pregnancies for thousands of years. sometimes its needed in order to save the mother.

[guitrguy]

based on your assertion we should not do anything that results in the death of cells. They are all forms of life when you make life such a vague term.

[je suis un chapeau]

i didnt have a choice it was either get a abortion or be fat during prom and not be able to fit into the dress i wanted to wear

[McP3000]

i didnt have a choice it was either get a abortion or be fat during prom and not be able to fit into the dress i wanted to wear
Better look good so you can get pregnant and kill again!

YOU MURDERER :smash:

[RNR]

It's a woman's own decision whether she wants to give birth or not.

/thread

[guitrguy]

don't cure that disease. Viruses are living beings too!

[GUTS]

What if you get ****ed by the devil and are bound to have Hell spawn? WHAT THEN!?

[EaterOfUterus]

This is the fallacy in new age liberal thinking: That one can be guilty of all kinds of heinous activity and sin, they can party all night long, but not have to suffer the penalties. Well sorry to break it to you liberals. There will come a time when everyone will face up to their responsibilities. You will be held accountable for your actions and you will live with the consequences.

Now I don't want to hear your idiotic retort on "choice". You had a choice to **** or not to **** and you ****ed and you ****ed up, now you're having a child.

Why don't you ****ing idiots who always talk about "choice" which is such a vague term ****ing choose to wear a ****ing condom? Get on the ****ing pill, try coitus interruptus. You have plenty of God damn choices to make if you are going to have sex, killing an unborn child is not one of them.

[GUTS]

but.....i use condoms.....why are you yelling at me?


when it comes down to it, i dont give a damn what you do with your baby. it has zero effect on my life, and i could care less whether you scramble it's brains or not. that baggage that im not gonna carry.

[guitrguy]

its not a child at conception though.

[GUTS]

i mean, if this girl does not want the baby, its easy enough to kill it herself. drink heavily for 2 weeks straight and punch yourself in the abdomen a bunch. since when does some little nothing of a being matter more then the person who is bearing it?

[EaterOfUterus]

its not a child at conception though.

Don't even make me make another thread because I have a stunning argument and case for your same old regurgitated line of bs.

[guitrguy]

thanks for refuting me.

[EaterOfUterus]

i mean, if this girl does not want the baby, its easy enough to kill it herself. drink heavily for 2 weeks straight and punch yourself in the abdomen a bunch. since when does some little nothing of a being matter more then the person who is bearing it?

I am not saying that we must do away with abortion. I just said we ought to make it illegal.

[gregulus]

Wait, the DoI is a scientific document?

[guitrguy]

I am not saying that we must do away with abortion. I just said we ought to make it illegal.

then you have no real grounds to make it illegal, especially when you just create situations that are dangerous to the mother as a direct result.

[GUTS]

make it illegal so that instead of having a safe, sterile, medical procedure, we can have them done in Marty's autoshop behind the locked door? shut the hell up.

[EaterOfUterus]

make it illegal so that instead of having a safe, sterile, medical procedure, we can have them done in Marty's autoshop behind the locked door? shut the hell up.

Oh we can make it illegal, now you are still free to have an abortion in Marty's Autoshop, but it will be to your own detriment. :lol:

[GUTS]

who hates human life now? to hell with this hippocrit :rolleyes:

[guitrguy]

Oh we can make it illegal, now you are still free to have an abortion in Marty's Autoshop, but it will be to your own detriment. :lol:

so a result you cause more casualties. makes perfect sense.

[EaterOfUterus]

who hates human life now? to hell with this hippocrit :rolleyes:

Hey they have free will to go to Marty's Autoshop and have the medical procedure done, though it may hurt them in the end. That is the result of their actions.

[guitrguy]

Hey they have free will to go to Marty's Autoshop and have the medical procedure done, though it may hurt them in the end. That is the result of their actions.

and the result of you doing away with safe procedures.

[EaterOfUterus]

and the result of you doing away with safe procedures.

The point is to discourage abortion, not endanger the lives of women. Abortion is not a choice we have the right to make. I have already explained the choices you do have. So take precautionary measures. Don't come to me with your propaganda.

[guitrguy]

The point is to discourage abortion, not endanger the lives of women. Abortion is not a choice we have the right to make. I have already explained the choices you do have. So take precautionary measures. Don't come to me with your propaganda.

you consistently avoid explaining why its not a right. As for the others choices, it still doesn't mean anything about abortion. unless you can actually draw a direct link.

[EaterOfUterus]

you consistently avoid explaining why its not a right. As for the others choices, it still doesn't mean anything about abortion. unless you can actually draw a direct link.

I prefer to kill abortionists. Now who is to say that I am wrong? Look why don't you tell me why I am wrong. I would like you to die, hypothetically speaking. Why am I wrong?

[guitrguy]

because the burden of proof is on you. you're the one trying to convince us of your position.

[guitrguy]

I understand you are trolling, but do it better please.

[EaterOfUterus]

I understand you are trolling, but do it better please.

No I am saying if you can kill your child why can't I kill you to save the child's life? There is still a net loss of one life.

[guitrguy]

yeah but clusters of cells =/= a conscious and aware being. so the there is only one loss of life when you kill the doctor. otherwise no life in the sense of a consciousness and awareness is lost.

[mattspurplepen]

uterus, obviously you are a very religious person, now i'm curious according to christianity or whatever major religion can't we just kill all these babies and just go to a confession and be forgiven anyways? Now no one denies that abortion ****ing sucks and shouldn't happen, but the thing is there are a lot of dumb people out there and uneducated people who don't hear much about condoms,birth control, consequences of sex, conservatives usually discourage sex education. so for that part of the argument i mean its not just liberals to blame.
but the claims you are making about scientific proof, well i don't really care but how did these scientists come to the conclusion and who funded the whole thing.

basically if i was as much of a d-bag as you, i would make a similar claim that religion should be completely illegal because it always instills hatred among people leading to wars and unnecesary deaths, some scientists did a study and survey. but the thing is religion doesn't always do that, and as much as i hate the crazy bastards they have a right to believe ****, so you have to realize abortions are sometimes warranted even though they are a really shitty concept.

[EaterOfUterus]

uterus, obviously you are a very religious person, now i'm curious according to christianity or whatever major religion can't we just kill all these babies and just go to a confession and be forgiven anyways? Now no one denies that abortion ****ing sucks and shouldn't happen, but the thing is there are a lot of dumb people out there and uneducated people who don't hear much about condoms,birth control, consequences of sex, conservatives usually discourage sex education. so for that part of the argument i mean its not just liberals to blame.
but the claims you are making about scientific proof, well i don't really care but how did these scientists come to the conclusion and who funded the whole thing.

basically if i was as much of a d-bag as you, i would make a similar claim that religion should be completely illegal because it always instills hatred among people leading to wars and unnecesary deaths, some scientists did a study and survey. but the thing is religion doesn't always do that, and as much as i hate the crazy bastards they have a right to believe ****, so you have to realize abortions are sometimes warranted even though they are a really poopty concept.

Well you argued against abortion better than I ever could.

But actually the regimes which lead to the most deaths were under areligious despots like Hitler and Stalin and Mao. The areligious have killed far more than any Christians could ever hope too. Maybe we should do away with all of the atheists since you know, they're prone to killing people.

[guitrguy]

you're such a bad troll

[mattspurplepen]

haha it wasn't a serious claim it was my comparison between your assertion that we should control people's bodies and make up their minds for them no matter what the circumstances are...

[EaterOfUterus]

you're such a bad troll

Whatever you say Corn Rows.

[free_thinkers_are_dangerous]

uh fyi a hypothesis is not an assertion, the DoI did not report any experiment, and there are no empirical results to draw conclusions from. Scientific my arse.

[EaterOfUterus]

uh fyi a hypothesis is not an assertion, the DoI did not report any experiment, and there are no empirical results to draw conclusions from. Scientific my arse.

Look you can debate all you want, true patriots like me can see and ascertain truth in all matters. We don't need your scientific propaganda.

[Permanent Solution]

I got something to say
I killed your baby today
And it doesn't matter much to me
As long as it's dead

[bradc1988]

Terrible, terrible thread.

[McP3000]

dude that shits mean

[Luc214]

This is the fallacy in new age liberal thinking: That one can be guilty of all kinds of heinous activity and sin, they can party all night long, but not have to suffer the penalties. Well sorry to break it to you liberals. There will come a time when everyone will face up to their responsibilities. You will be held accountable for your actions and you will live with the consequences.


o rite jayzus is going to ride down out of the clouds on a pony and dismember us all with his sword and bathe in our blood

I got something to say
I killed your baby today
And it doesn't matter much to me
As long as it's dead

**** yeah

Abortion is not a choice we have the right to make.

according to the government we do

[beans]

i've killed some fetus' in my time so dont you tell me about what it does

[GreyHam]

urgh, worst logic ever

at least when most people try and make a scientific and rational argument for or against abortion, they dont make it so ethnocentric that that words 'US of A' appear on their arsehole

[McP3000]

how can it appear on a hole

[sweboy]

i give thread 5/5 nuclear reactors, would read again

[maxwell_1888]

You fail at logic.

[Smokey D]

So like if you can tell it's a VF thread, don't wait for me to come and close it. Just don't respond.