Trivium

[Si1v3RfaNg]

so has anyone actually lstened to the album yet? its available to download, but anyways yeah, i loved acendancy and still do, but holy **** this album Shogun is absolutely amazing. its at least two times better than ascendancy. :thumb:

its also not a metallica album clone either.....

[jrowa001]

lol no way is it better than Ascendancy, but yeah it is a lot better than The Crusade. i agree that there isnt any Metallica wankery involved in Shogun. i think many will be pleased with this album if they go into it with no expectations that it will suck

[DeathThrashProg]

Ascendancy is a damn good slice of fiery metalcore. i doubt they have it in them to top that.

[jrowa001]

nowadays here its just cool to automatically hate on Trivium. its a shame they let their rise in fame get to their heads though. you knkow with all them magazines calling Matt and Corey the best guitarists since the guys from Metallica

[Benzum]

I havn't even bothered to listen to The Poosade yet...

See what I did there...

[hXcPLISIT]

awful

[bringonthebreakdown]

so has anyone actually lstened to the album yet? its available to download, but anyways yeah, i loved acendancy and still do, but holy **** this album Shogun is absolutely amazing. its at least two times better than ascendancy. :thumb:

its also not a metallica album clone either.....

STOP MAKING THREADS.
it's good. but this could easily be discussed in general discussion or metalcore or really anywhere. just stop making ****ing threads.

[big80smullet]

meh i dont think ill waste my bandwidth on it. Im sure my brother will though cause hes good like that

[repcak]

Since when Trivium are writing good material?!

[big80smullet]

well i actually liked ascedancy back when i liked shittier music. i dunno theyre reasonably skilled players so i could see them making something listenable if they stop trying (failing) to be metallica mk2

[repcak]

They are good guitarist, but their songs are lame... maybe they are better live - I am going to see them as a support band for Slayer.

[Altmer]

They are good guitarist, but their songs are lame... maybe they are better live - I am going to see them as a support band for Slayer.

same.

[repcak]

Altmer is a beer, isn't it? It was the first thing I recognised, when I was sitting in the train from the airport swestapol to Amsterdam Centraal. There was a Altmer advertisment at a building, we passed by.
:lol:

[Dimmu Burger]

The new album isn't bad, it's nothing like The Crusade, thank God.

[Altmer]

Altmer is a beer, isn't it? It was the first thing I recognised, when I was sitting in the train from the airport swestapol to Amsterdam Centraal. There was a Altmer advertisment at a building, we passed by.
:lol:

no I think that's Amstel

Altmer is an elvish race from Morrowind

[big80smullet]

lol elves! you nerd!

[Kage]

STOP MAKING THREADS.
it's good. but this could easily be discussed in general discussion or metalcore or really anywhere. just stop making ****ing threads.

uh, why wouldnt you discuss a rock/metal release in the rock/metal forums

[alytee123]

I've listened to half of Shogun, and so far, so very good. A bit more original than The Crusade, though I do enjoy The Crusade from time to time.

[Cocaine]

yeah most of silverfang's threads are pretty lame but this one is fine i mean give the guy a break

[big80smullet]

haha terrible band but thread is fine. people round here are like thread jews. like we're gonna run out of threads or something

[hismajestythepope]

STOP MAKING THREADS.
it's good. but this could easily be discussed in general discussion or metalcore or really anywhere. just stop making ****ing threads.

this isnt even a metalcore record, stfu you ignorant twat

[bastard]

Since when Trivium are writing good material?!

that has been what I have been saying throughout Trivium's whole career :lol:

Even Ascendancy sucks.

[bringonthebreakdown]

this isnt even a metalcore record, stfu you ignorant twat

lol?

so hateful. so very hateful for no reason. Trivium used to be a metalcore band, btw "you ignorant twat."

[bastard]

Trivium used to be a terrible metalcore band

fixed :thumb:

[bringonthebreakdown]

thanks for the edit bro :thumb:

[bastard]

no problemo bro :thumb:

[neonskies]

I've already deleted it - not that I disliked it, but it didn't really hold my attention.

[Si1v3RfaNg]

have you guys listened to track two..... its ****ing amazing

[bastard]

I haven't heard the new album, and I am avoiding it like a plague.

[Si1v3RfaNg]

listen to the second track, its amazing, its called Torn Between Scylla and.... whatever the other wierd name is.....

[bastard]

Well... Heafy still mocks Hetfield like a pro, and Travis Smith tries to mock Lars Ulrich in the same way. The band seems like they are trying to mix Ascendancy with The Crusade, and it's just bad. I've listened to three songs off the new album, so for Trivium, that would probably be the rest of the album except for maybe one or two highlights.

[Si1v3RfaNg]

dude what is with you people.... heafy didnt even sound like hetfield at all on the crusade..... he sounded like heafy.

[jrowa001]

at times he tried to emulate Hetfields style on The Crusade, but on Shogun Heafy was really trying to be his own. i dont care if people hate on this band anymore because it wont effect my opinion on Shogun or Ascendancy.

oh and lol at saying Travis was trying to sound like Lars, no way man. Travis plays a metalcore style

[Si1v3RfaNg]

and travis also plays like thirty times better.....

[bastard]

at times he tried to emulate Hetfields style on The Crusade, but on Shogun Heafy was really trying to be his own. i dont care if people hate on this band anymore because it wont effect my opinion on Shogun or Ascendancy.

oh and lol at saying Travis was trying to sound like Lars, no way man. Travis plays a metalcore style

Many metalcore drummers play so much better than Travis. Like, nearly all of them.

[Si1v3RfaNg]

well we all know that, but the fact is some dumbass tried to say that travis was copying lars, which is really wrong.

[jrowa001]

more like some bastard tried to say that.

plus i never said travis was a great drummer. hes pretty good on Ascendancy though

[Dimmu Burger]

Matt did sound like Hetfield at times on The Crusade, but Travis sounds nothing like Lars, mostly because he is talented.

[bastard]

well we all know that, but the fact is some dumbass tried to say that travis was copying lars, which is really wrong.

well for metalcore, Travis is pretty pathetic.

But yeah, maybe Lars Ulrich bad is a bit over doing it.

[Si1v3RfaNg]

oh ok whatever, i have no problem with bastard though

[bastard]

Matt did sound like Hetfield at times on The Crusade, but Travis sounds nothing like Lars, mostly because he is talented.

not really. Compared to the army of metalcore drummers, he is a bit unique for the genre (as in not completely relying on the double kick), but still too simplistic for my enjoyment value. If he was more creative, yeah maybe.

[Dimmu Burger]

Well I guess it is a bit simple, but it is thrash influenced music, so that may be why. If it was tech death then he would probably do more.

[jrowa001]

if Travis uses more fills (not very familiar with drum diction) then Trivium would sound a lot better. sort of like how Jordan from As I Lay Dying plays

[bastard]

if Travis uses more fills (not very familiar with drum diction) then Trivium would sound a lot better. sort of like how Jordan from As I Lay Dying plays

exactly

but I also see where Dimmu Burger is coming from as well. Damn you Thrash-Inspired Metal!

[Dimmu Burger]

if Travis uses more fills (not very familiar with drum diction) then Trivium would sound a lot better. sort of like how Jordan from As I Lay Dying plays

I'd say Jordan is my favorite metalcore drummer for sure. He makes their simple riffs so much better.

[jrowa001]

exactly

but I also see where Dimmu Burger is coming from as well. Damn you Thrash-Inspired Metal!

yeah the trash guitars dont mix very well with Travis' drumming but it doesnt really suck. Jordan from AILD really improved to match their faster riffs. adding fills makes the riffs so much better and the drums dont sound as repetitive

I'd say Jordan is my favorite metalcore drummer for sure. He makes their simple riffs so much better.
same here, him and the guy from Converge are my favs

[Si1v3RfaNg]

yeah jordan is pretty much a beast, but i still think travis is pretty good

[Dimmu Burger]

I also love that guy who used to be in As Blood Runs Black. I dunno why, but he is fun to listen to on their album.

[bastard]

yeah the trash guitars dont mix very well with Travis' drumming but it doesnt really suck. Jordan from AILD really improved to match their faster riffs. adding fills makes the riffs so much better and the drums dont sound as repetitive


same here, him and the guy from Converge are my favs

Ben Koller is the guy from Converge, and he is the best drummer in metalcore.

[Dimmu Burger]

He was good in Cave-In briefly too.

[McP3000]

trivium more like trivial

[bastard]

I'll take Trivium for 500, Alex

[Dimmu Burger]

"Your mother Trebek!!"

[bastard]

I'll take Fire Trucks for 200, Alex.

"Okay, what color is a red fire truck"

ummm... brown?

"wrong, and you must ask in ques..."

well, you're brown, so I just guessed a fire truck would be brown too, since you're both poopy.

[Dimmu Burger]

"Is it Iced Tea?"

"No"

"Then I have no idea"

[bastard]

well this turned into spam fairly quickly.

fair well!

[Dimmu Burger]

Trivium Pursuit Genus 5

[bastard]

So... anyone here like Radiohead?

[Dimmu Burger]

Yeah man, great band.

Kid A is amazing.

[bastard]

Kid A is my favorite album by that band, along with OK Computer.

I should make a thread about this!

[Dimmu Burger]

Good idea!!

[bowlermicah]

I'd say Jordan is my favorite metalcore drummer for sure. He makes their simple riffs so much better.

matt greiner from august burns red might be the best metalcore drummer.

[lak89]

i'll download this and have a listen

[Dimmu Burger]

Nah, he's good but I don't think he has a unique style at all.

[bastard]

matt greiner from august burns red might be the best metalcore drummer.

Ben Koller of Converge

[McP3000]

i agree with the above sentiment

the No Heroes drumming was so awesome

[Essence]

Just listen to Phoenix in Flames off of Jane Doe. Amazing.

[beans]

i still need to hear theyre new album
heard its better than the crusade (not by much)
and not even close to ascendancy so idk

nothing really motivating me to get this right now

[Grumma]

I prefer what I've heard to Ascendancy mainly cos I don't really like the screaming Matt had going on back then

[Pebster49]

Im downloading this now, from that one song they made a music video its better than the Crusade...but I doubt it will be as good as Ascendancy

[Benzum]

trivium more like trivial

Heh, never heard that before.

I'm free to use that one IRL?

Excellent. Thanks.

[Si1v3RfaNg]

yeah the solos on the new album are beastly, and the intro to the second tracks is ridiculously good.

[Correction]

i kno right

[beans]

listened to the first song

so far, not impressed

[Volt2187]

From what I have heard of their songs off their Myspace (like 4 or 5, all of the new album), the whinny *** singing ruins it for me. His screaming vocals are actually decent, but I cant stand his singing.

[Pebster49]

This album is actually good, im kinda stunned here...

[jrowa001]

exactly, i think this will surprise a lot of people who didnt care for The Crusade

[hismajestythepope]

Ben Koller of Converge

dead man in reno's drummer; aaron from underoath

[benfan]

exactly, i think this will surprise a lot of people who didnt care for The Crusade

I wouldnt hold your breath. People are too quick to hate on them because its cool.

[Grumma]

Well it'll surprise em on the inside anyways!
:p

[Dimmu Burger]

I wonder if he realized that The Crusade was crap and he needed to go back to Ascendancy type vocals.

[bastard]

A little bit, but because he still does some Hetfield-esqe singing, I'd say maybe not.

[Dimmu Burger]

I really wonder if these people pay attention to the metal scene and make decisions based on that. It would be interesting to know what they are thinking, even though they wont admit it.

[Si1v3RfaNg]

i think its retarded to hate a band just because they made a bad album

[Correction]

you consistently say the stupidest ****

[Si1v3RfaNg]

you consistently talk the stupidest ****

[alytee123]

I really wonder if these people pay attention to the metal scene and make decisions based on that. It would be interesting to know what they are thinking, even though they wont admit it.

I doubt they pay attention very closely, granted if you were on tour constantly and writing your own material, looking after family, how much time would you have to stay close to what's going on in the metal scene?

[jrowa001]

i read in an interview that when they made Ascendancy, it was before the surge of metalcore bands making similar music (screamed verse, sung chorus, etc) and they didnt want to be stuck in that group. i dont know why though they picked to make an album like The Crusade though, but i like the direction they took with Shogun. it kind of shows that they are continuing to try get better. The Crusade was just a huge **** up. im almost positive i read somewhere that there were lots of parts on that album that after hearing it they didnt know what they were thinking

when i was in their video Anthem, i got to talk to Matt quite a bit and he was very knowledgeable when it comes to metal. you wouldnt guess that he was a huge black metal fan (Dissection, Emperor, Nokturnal Mortum) and early death metal

[alytee123]

Props to being in The Anthem vid. I've heard that Heafy plans to start a black metal project in the future.

[jrowa001]

that will be interesting if he doesnt do vocals. hes in a tech death metal band called Capharnaum and theyre rather decent. Matt does vocals and theyre much similar to those on Ember To Inferno. i think he said hes planning doing another album with them since their last album Fractured was released in 2004

[alytee123]

I didn't know about Heafy being in a tech death band. I'll have to go do some searching.

[Dimmu Burger]

i think its retarded to hate a band just because they made a bad album

I agree, though I don't know that that is the only reason people hate on them.


I also have to say that the King Diamond song on Roadrunner United was written by Matt and had their other guitarist on the track as well and it was one of my favorite metal songs period. The other songs he wrote on that record were very good as well. I'd love to hear his black metal band whenever he does that.

Also I'm gonna go download that Capharnaum album.

[bastard]

I didn't know about Heafy being in a tech death band. I'll have to go do some searching.

Oh god that sounds awful.

Trivium would be a decent enough band if Heafy would just leave.

[jrowa001]

you wouldnt like it bastard since you hate his vocals. i can admit at times he sounds pretty bad on that Capharnaum album

[Dimmu Burger]

Meh, I dunno what else would fit them, vocally I mean.

[beans]

Oh god that sounds awful.

Trivium would be a decent enough band if Heafy would just leave.

capahrnaum ****ing owns, they're really good, and they play some great stuff
dont knock it till you've heard it

[Dimmu Burger]

I'm sure it sucks cause someone from Trivium is in it *sticks nose in the air*



/sarcasm

[beans]

lol yeah exactly

[Dimmu Burger]

Oh by the way Trivium's bassist wears really odd shiny shirts. WTF?

[beans]

he's an odd shiny guy

[bringonthebreakdown]

A little bit, but because he still does some Hetfield-esqe singing, I'd say maybe not.

there's really not much at all on it. I'm actually very pleased with shogun for the most part.

[Dimmu Burger]

I like the style of it, but no songs have grabbed me yet. We'll see.

[jrowa001]

Shogun is consistent and theres a few parts that really shine.

Capharnaum have some killer riffs too

[Dimmu Burger]

I'm almost done downloading Capharnaum, but its taking forever cause rapidshare is gay.

[bringonthebreakdown]

Shogun is consistent and theres a few parts that really shine.

Capharnaum have some killer riffs too

capharnaum? band name or album? idk who you're talking about =]

[beans]

their drummer is a phenom

capharnaum? band name or album? idk who you're talking about =]

matt heafy's tech death band, band name capharnaum album name fractured

[bastard]

you wouldnt like it bastard since you hate his vocals. i can admit at times he sounds pretty bad on that Capharnaum album

Do you mean petty bad just by normal standards, or pretty bad by Matt Heafy standards.

Because if it is the second one, I am scared.

Also Dimmu Burger, I would be fine with Capharnaum if any other member of Trivium was on it, even Travis Smith, but not Matt Heafy.

[Dimmu Burger]

Hey whatever floats your boat dude. I can ignore bad vocals if the rest is good enough, i'm gonna go see cause it just finished downloading.

[jrowa001]

if you like tech death metal youll like it. although matts vocals arent death metal at all, they still fit (except at times he doesnt sound good).

their drummer is a phenom

matt heafy's tech death band, band name capharnaum album name fractured

yep

[beans]

Do you mean petty bad just by normal standards, or pretty bad by Matt Heafy standards.

Because if it is the second one, I am scared.

Also Dimmu Burger, I would be fine with Capharnaum if any other member of Trivium was on it, even Travis Smith, but not Matt Heafy.


who the **** cares?
he does a decent job enough

go listen to it

just the fact that you wouldnt care if any other member of trivium was in the badn cept heafy is just retarded

[Dimmu Burger]

Listening now, his vocals are just his typical screams. Musically it's decent though.

[jrowa001]

bastard, matts vocals for Capharnaum fit better than they do for Trivium imo. so idk, you might not think theyre as bad as you think.

[bringonthebreakdown]

downloading it now. i'm intrigued.

[Dimmu Burger]

I dunno that they fit either, lol. It's not that bad though.

[beans]

bastard, matts vocals for Capharnaum fit better than they do for Trivium imo. so idk, you might not think theyre as bad as you think.


oh no he's convinced its just heafy

he wont listen to it cause he's a slightly confuzzled sea lion

[jrowa001]

Listening now, his vocals are just his typical screams. Musically it's decent though.

i think he sounds a little raspier at times than he does for trivium.

[bastard]

**** off bunit.

I might actually listen to it.

[Dimmu Burger]

I haven't heard that yet, but I'm only 2 songs in.

[jrowa001]

he only does the raspier vocals on a few songs. cant remember which ones though. on RYM, i dont know if its a joke or not but Cocaine gave the album a 4/5 which surprised the crap out of me

[beans]

**** off bunit.

I might actually listen to it.

then do it

[bastard]

I will.

[Grumma]

I also have to say that the King Diamond song on Roadrunner United was written by Matt and had their other guitarist on the track as well and it was one of my favorite metal songs period. The other songs he wrote on that record were very good as well.


They came from the sea
And they came from the sky
Captain America is going to die
Babies of bastards
Breeding for fun
The fate of Earth is doomed
Get your gun, I'm done!

[Dimmu Burger]

Help me!!!!

No! You're gonna die!!!!

[bringonthebreakdown]

^^sounds like an awful sound clip that KWD or HHLL would use during a song.

[Dimmu Burger]

No. It's the epitome of awesome.

[bringonthebreakdown]

btw, caphurnaum is awesome. thanks for the rec.

[Dimmu Burger]

Yeah its not bad. I prefer Decapitated and Psycroptic for tech death stuff though.

[benfan]

So what do you guys who have heard the new album reckon?
I know there are alot of haters on these boards so im just wondering if its made any have second thoughts about all the bashing.

[Dimmu Burger]

You won't hear me bashing them, it's a decent album. I still don't like it as much as Ascendancy but its still new, so who knows.

[benfan]

I think im enjoying it more tbh. The influx of metalcore bands all doing the same thing kinda put me off ascendacy. i still like it but i dont listen to it as much anymore.
Matt Heafy said that if this album flops like the crusade then that will be it for Trivium. So im hoping it does well.

[Dimmu Burger]

He said that? I'm suprised cause they are supposed to "Take Over The World!!!"

[benfan]

Yeah its in the new kerrang. He says something like 'If this album fails i think that will be it for us'

I reckon theyve grown up alot since the good old days of him over hyping them and wanting to be the 'next metallica', its just a shame that people arnt quick to forget stupid tags like that. Would of saved them alot of hassle.

[Dimmu Burger]

I wouldn't say that I hold it against them, I really judge based on music, but I did find it funny that they said that back in the day. What the hell else would they do if they broke up though?

[benfan]

I dunno, its probably just them hyping up the new album. i wouldnt think that they are overly rich.

Apparently roadrunner tryed pushing them to have the new 'bad boy metal band' image when they first got signed, and it kinda backfired on them.

Great live band anyway.

[Dimmu Burger]

Yeah Roadrunner is retarded when it comes to that sort of thing.

[Carn]

Roadrunner USA can be, yeah.

[Dimmu Burger]

Metal Blade FTW!

[jrowa001]

Trivium said not that long after The Crusade came out that they didnt really like the album

[beans]

lol where did they say that?

[jrowa001]

i cant remember but it was in some article maybe 4 or 5 months after The Crusade came out. they just openly admitted that a lot of the solos were forced and they just through them in. also a lot of the writing process was focused on using a lot of their influences which in turn effected their songs in a negative way.

[beans]

lol thats funny, you got a link to that new trivium?
help save me some time? lol

[jrowa001]

http://rapidshare.com/files/145723103/Trivium_-_2008_-_S___CBR128___by_Marko_MMFORE.rar.html

from metalmusicforever blog

the second track i think is the biggest highlight of the album, but theres a few other solid tracks. some are a bit bland and dont go anywhere

[beans]

nice thanks much man :chug:
on the listen to list for the evening
fear my thoughts then this

[jrowa001]

thats a tough follow up though haha. no problem bro

[beans]

yeah no kidding

[Grumma]

i cant remember but it was in some article maybe 4 or 5 months after The Crusade came out. they just openly admitted that a lot of the solos were forced and they just through them in. also a lot of the writing process was focused on using a lot of their influences which in turn effected their songs in a negative way.

It still has its moments.
The best songs seem to be the ones where the influence of Metallica, 'Deth and Maiden aren't so obvious eg Becoming the Dragon and Tread The Floods

[jrowa001]

i agree, those songs are the better ones of the album

[beans]

ok so this is impressing me a bit more than i thought it would

[benfan]

i cant remember but it was in some article maybe 4 or 5 months after The Crusade came out. they just openly admitted that a lot of the solos were forced and they just through them in. also a lot of the writing process was focused on using a lot of their influences which in turn effected their songs in a negative way.

They also admitted that the album was really rushed because it was all written on the road. They spent less time in the studio recording/mixing than on both of their previous albums.

[jingledeath]

the album is great but it doesn't top ascendancy and i'm ashamed to say that i don't hate the crusade.

[Dimmu Burger]

I guess I shouldn't say I hate it, but I don't like that he limited himself by saying he wouldn't scream at all and then doing bad Hetfield vocals on parts that would've been better with screams.

[benfan]

I quite like the crusade tbh, has some good parts on it. Becoming the dragon and, And sadness will sear are cool songs.

[Arucard]

lol trivium

people still listen to these guys?

[Apocalyptic Raids]

I didn't even know they had a new album out.

[Arucard]

im confused as to how they can make music when they are physically stuck in the ***'s of Metallica

[benfan]

I didn't even know they had a new album out.

It comes out on the 30th i think. its just leaked on youtube.




And yes Arucard, people still listen to them.

Well i enjoy listening to them anyway.

[jrowa001]

im confused as to how they can make music when they are physically stuck in the ***'s of Metallica

comments like these piss me off, the whole metallica thing was just a promotion for The Crusade. that **** is over with

I quite like the crusade tbh, has some good parts on it. Becoming the dragon and, And sadness will sear are cool songs.

i still like parts of the crusade but the overall disappointment makes it harder to listen to. too many crappy placed solos and rushed sounding riffs and vocals

[Bread and Faxes]

The Crusade was good, but idk about shogun.

[jrowa001]

thats the first time ive seen someone say they are liking the crusade over shogun

[jingledeath]

shogun owns the crusade.better riffs and way better vocals.drum works have always been consistent and good, it's a shame they're overshadowed by all the hate for the vocals.

[alytee123]

The vocals are great on Shogun I think. Great use of diversity.

And I've just noticed how sweet that Bass fill in Like Callisto To A Star In Heaven is. Funky.

[Angmar]

lol Trivium

[benfan]

The vocals are great on Shogun I think. Great use of diversity.

And I've just noticed how sweet that Bass fill in Like Callisto To A Star In Heaven is. Funky.

I love the slow, ballad type section in the song Shogun.

[alytee123]

Same, that section and others of that song remind me of Dream Theater a bit, in a good way. You can tell he's been practicing his clean vocals especially on that track.

[bastard]

The vocals are great on Shogun I think. Great use of diversity.

He's got diversity, but it's all of his old (and Hetfield's) styles being rehashed and reused. Nothing's new.

[Dimmu Burger]

I like diversity.

[Grumma]

Variety is the spice of life as they say

[beans]

his screams have gotten worse though, idk its wierd the music itself carries me through the album
but the vocals almost ruin it for me

i need an instrumental version or something.

[beans]

uhmm.

[jingledeath]

He's got diversity, but it's all of his old (and Hetfield's) styles being rehashed and reused. Nothing's new.

i actually don't mind the Hetfield style.imo, Heafy does it better than Hetfield himself (who i think should retire because his vocals are god awful now).

[Grumma]

Hetfield mid-to-late nineties was awsome though

*edit*
Interesting that they put their ENTIRE album on Myspace

[benfan]

Hetfield mid-to-late nineties was awsome though

*edit*
Interesting that they put their ENTIRE album on Myspace

Alot of bands do that now. Slayer come to mind, forgot some others.


I think some of his screaming on this sound better than ascendancy, you could literally hear his voice bieng ruined when he screamed on that album. Which is why he would always screw his voice up on tour.

[alytee123]

I like diversity.

I believe diversity is a ship.

His 'Hetfield vocals' don't even sound like Hetfield on Shogun really, so it seems a bit silly referring to them as 'Hetfield vocals'...

[Phantom]

The new Trivium vocals doesn't sound like Hetfield's good vocals at all. They're probably better than James' current ones. But that's age for you.

[Dimmu Burger]

I believe diversity is a ship.

His 'Hetfield vocals' don't even sound like Hetfield on Shogun really, so it seems a bit silly referring to them as 'Hetfield vocals'...

True, I just don't know what to call them.

Anyways I like diversity so much that I like bands with multiple vocalists on average more than those with one, somehow.

[jrowa001]

because most bands with a wide range of vocals are a little more chaotic. you like chaos

[Dimmu Burger]

At times yeah.

[mutatedfreek]

Its a solid album, but not as good as Ascendancy of Ember to Inferno for my money. Love the title track though.

[beans]

title track is too long

too boring

[Grumma]

nah title track is awsome.
middle bit is sweeeeeeet

only thing that annoys me about Matt's vocals is the way his accents makes certain words sound (i'll try find an example)

[jingledeath]

title track is the bomb! :)

[morjens]

title track is the bomb! :)

It sure is! Probably the best track they've done so far.

[Tillius]

Trivium is one of those bands that I really don't like very much but every now and then I get this desire to listen to them. But whenever I do listen to them it's either Ascendancy or Ember to Inferno. The Crusade was a terrible album. I wasn't even aware that they came out with another. I might check it out fur curiosity's sake.

[alytee123]

Just realized the opening acoustic section of Kirisute Gomen has the same melody as the chorus of Shogun.

[benfan]

Haha yeah, the 'Time will not heal, all of your pain' section. Sounds cool.

[alytee123]

Yeah, love it

[benfan]

So the album is out tomorow in the UK. Anyone besides me gonna pick it up?

[Grumma]

I already have :)

But it came out a couple of days ago in Australia

[benfan]

Haha bastard! :)

Im goin down today to pick it up. Did you get the special edition with the bonus tracks?

[Grumma]

I got the special edition.
Although on the back it just has the normal 11 listed so not sure what's going on there

[McP3000]

haha, all the trivium fans have come out of the woodwork

[benfan]

Iv always always been a fan, i just didnt go around saying it on these boards cause im not up for an argument.

Shogun is a good metal album, you should have a listen if you havnt already, all the songs are on youtube.

[jingledeath]

has anyone listened to the 2 bonus tracks and the maiden cover?

[Grumma]

the 2 bonus tracks are good but the cd as a whole sounds odd with Iron Maiden tacked on the end.
sounds REALLY out of place - even the recording sounds different

[benfan]

I heard the maiden song on the kerrang tribute thing. I think its strange that they decided to tack it on the end of their album though.

[jingledeath]

the vocals on the 2 bonus tracks were much better than those on the album, especially the screams which seem a lot heavier.

[benfan]

Poison, The knife or the noose has some pretty deep screams on it!
I prefer his vocals on this album to the really throaty screams he did on ascendancy.

[bustyagunz]

idk, his screams are getting worse with each album imo

[beans]

they've never really been that good tbh

[Grumma]

only thing that annoys me about Matt's vocals is the way his accents makes certain words sound (i'll try find an example)

= the way he sings "painstaking" on the slow part of the title track

[benfan]

I know what your saying about his screams. But i prefer the screams hes doing now after the vocal coaching he had. On the Ascendancy tour, if you caught one of the last shows his voice would be ****ed because he was destroying his voice by not doing correctly. On Ascendancy you could pretty much hear his vocal chords tearing cause of bad technique.




So my copy came through the post yesterday. The quality is top notch, really well produced.
Im even happier with it now that iv had a chance to have a couple of listens, easily my favourite of the 4 albums theyve put out.

Favourite songs: Kirisute Gomen, Torn Between Scylla and Charybdis, Throes of Perdition and Shogun.

[benfan]

New video is up on myspace for Throes Of Perdition for those that are interested, ill post a link when it hits youtube.

[The Feeding]

i liked the album, it was a hell of a lot better than The Crusade

[The Feeding]

they did what bands are supposed to take something they used to do and mix something new into it...instead before this album they made 2 COMPLETELY diff albums

[Luc214]

**** trivium capharnaum all the way tbh

[The Feeding]

HELLS YEAH jason suecof is a genius

[The Feeding]

at least we know where you stand! get it, stand haha

[ReApA]

Trivium may not be perfect, but at least they are way better that wrath of ragnarok!

[The Feeding]

they will be fine as long as they let their ego's disappear and just make music they like, rather than being wannabee Metallica

[Luc214]

nobody can be a wannabe metallica because metallica wannabe good

[The Feeding]

true dat

[benfan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u10BBdL9TE

Link to the vid, its the single edit so theyve cut the bridge down which sucks, but the full album version will be up in a couple of days.

Nice to see them back to playing their old guitars.

[Grumma]

they will be fine as long as they let their ego's disappear and just make music they like, rather than being wannabee Metallica

Which I thought the new album was a step towards.

[jrowa001]

yeah definitely. i dont even hear the metallica that much on the new one. the egos are probably still there (even though when i met them they were really nice guys). i have faith that theyll continue to progress and get better with their songwriting since they do have the talent to play their instruments

[benfan]

They were really cool when i met them too, Corey was stood outside talking to us for about 40 minutes with the guys from Sanctity.

[lak89]

Shogun was a pleasant surprise, it does sound original to me

[jrowa001]

They were really cool when i met them too, Corey was stood outside talking to us for about 40 minutes with the guys from Sanctity.

thats awesome! i got to talk to all the members for a really long time about music, touring, and Corey's love for natural breasts

[benfan]

Haha thats cool. I got a picture with Paulo and Corey and spoke to Corey for a while, sucked that Matt and Travis were doing press, but the roadrunner rep gave us loads of free **** cause they were busy.
It was quite hard to strike up a conversation when there are loads of teeny boppers there trying ask what shampoo they use and **** though.

Lak89 - Shogun is an awesome metal album IMO, really blew the crap out of ascendancy

[NecroticPhalllus]

Trivium may not be perfect, but at least they are way better that wrath of ragnarok!

Hahaha can't be more true !

[Poet]

Shogun was a pleasant surprise, it does sound original to me

I probably love it more than the majority of people do. The first and last three tracks are absolutely stellar. Could do without the rest.

[The Feeding]

all around it was a damn good album!! my favorite part might be in Insurrection when the guitars go all black metal and Matt starts screaming Ascend to the heavens
to destroy them all!! that's sick

[The Feeding]

he doesn't sound like a James Heitfield wannabee, just a solid metal singer!

[big80smullet]

matt heafy is a weaboo

[The Feeding]

he's kinda a douche with a huge ego but the dude can shred and i think The Crusade made him check the ego a bit

[Dimmu Burger]

Yeah, I'm glad he toned down the "Take over the world" BS!

[The Feeding]

like i said dude can shred and they can write solid tunes, they just got their heads too big but i think they got knocked back down with the rest of humanity

[jrowa001]

well Heafy admitted he didnt really like how The Crusade came out

[benfan]

I dont think any of them liked how The Crusade came out, although it has some beasty tracks on it (Entrance of the Conflagration, And Sadness Will Sear, Becoming The Dragon).

I like all the tracks on Shogun, obviously some arent up to standard with the rest. Im really digging 'He Who Spawned The Furies' atm!

[FattyKnee]

crusade sucked

[big80smullet]

i dont see how you can write, record, produce and mix and album and then claim to "not like how it turned out". surely you knew it was **** before you released it

[alytee123]

I guess their opinion changed over time.

all around it was a damn good album!! my favorite part might be in Insurrection when the guitars go all black metal and Matt starts screaming Ascend to the heavens
to destroy them all!! that's sick

Love that part

[interviewer02]

i dont see how you can write, record, produce and mix and album and then claim to "not like how it turned out". surely you knew it was **** before you released it

I can, being someone who has done that before. Sometimes you don't hit something just perfect, and it snowballs and effects many other variables.

Plus, people's opinions and "ears" change over time.

[benfan]

crusade sucked

You suck so stop trolling.

Im hoping theyre gonna tour again soon after theyve finished up in America with Slipknot. Iv seen them about 5 times now, but not since March of last year.

[Dimmu Burger]

I can, being someone who has done that before. Sometimes you don't hit something just perfect, and it snowballs and effects many other variables.

Plus, people's opinions and "ears" change over time.




Exactly. I mean I loved my old band's music back when we played it, but thinking back, a lot of it was pretty mediocre.

[The Feeding]

kinda how it goes isn't it? talk to any musician and most of them really can't stand the stuff they were doing "back in the day" part of being a musician, at least a successful one is growing and changing....unless you're slayer

[Joe]

You suck so stop trolling.

Im hoping theyre gonna tour again soon after theyve finished up in America with Slipknot. Iv seen them about 5 times now, but not since March of last year.

I wish I could have seen them before The Crusade came out! They came by three times and I missed them all three! I was not a big Crusade fan, except for like three songs, and I'm not that fond of Shogun either...I need to give it another shot.

[alytee123]

I've seen them twice and I will say both times they were great, though second time was best. They were supporting Slayer so the just totally went for it and pretty much blew Slayer off stage.

[Grumma]

Wouldn't be hard nowadays.

Tom Araya looks like he wants to be a Santa Clause extra in the next D grade Christmas film.

[Murdererer]

trivium is one of those bands where i like the instrument playing but the vocals suck

[The Feeding]

i've heard that from more than a few people actually

[lak89]

the songs on Crusade sounded too similar, Ignition was the best song imo, killer chorus you gotta admit

[jrowa001]

heafy's vocals on The Crusade were pretty bad at times, but on Ascendancy and Shogun they kick ***. not to mention is work for Capharnaum. their debut album as ok vocals but you can tell he was rather new to screaming

[The Feeding]

and he was like what 18? it's no excuse but he had no experience

[benfan]

Heafys vocals on Shogun are awesome.

Best time iv seen them would probably have been on The Black Crusade.

[The Feeding]

who else was on that tour? i saw them with All That Remains & The Human Abstract

[EdgeOfSanity]

Has anybody seen them with Slayer? My guess is that they are going to get so much sh*t because of Heafy and his banter like, "If you don't like Trivium you're a pussy!"

[benfan]

Apparently they were awesome with Slayer from what iv heard.

TBC was Machine head, Trivium, Dragonforce, Arch Enemy and Shadows Fall.

I saw them with All That Remains on their first sold out tour of the UK

[The Feeding]

dammit i want to see Machine Head live again...been too long, last time i was supposed to go see them it turned into winterocalypse and i wasn't going to drive an hour in ice

[Grumma]

and he was like what 18? it's no excuse but he had no experience

More like 15

[Dimmu Burger]

dammit i want to see Machine Head live again...been too long, last time i was supposed to go see them it turned into winterocalypse and i wasn't going to drive an hour in ice

yeah I wouldn't drive an hour in ice for butt metal either.