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DFelon204409
09-15-2008, 01:19 AM
It's time for another competition. The sputnik database has a few reviews for jazz and classical albums, but they are usually pretty tedious and poorly informed. The goal is to fill in the database with quality reviews in underrepresented genres.

Rules:
•Can be of any rating 1-5
•Has to be submitted to the review site within the timeframe from Sunday, September 14th to Sunday, October 5 (that gives you thre weeks)
•No soundtracks allowed
•The album you decide to review must be approved in advance (just post it in this thread and I will comment within the post). The only reason I do this is because certain borderline genre albums (e.g. Frank Zappa as jazz fusion wouldn't count) undermine the point of focusing on jazz and classical. However, within those larger traditions, music of different movements will count (that is I won't discriminate between modern classical vs. romantic or between bebop and modal jazz). Classical/jazz music from non-Western traditions are not enthused (saving that for another competition).
•Artist/composer tags in the database can be confusing with classical music. I don't know if the convention on the site is to make the artist the composer or the ensemble that plays the piece, so run it by here first if you're adding it to the database so people can voice suggestions.

Genre-specific Suggestions:
For jazz...
•Most jazz albums are live cuts. That means most of the things you hear will be improvised and or at least unique to that recording. Try to capture why the individual recording has value. Some jazz albums have alternate takes or will have live recordings, etc. so it's valuable to consider that a track can be played in many different ways at different times/venues.
•Jazz groups are usually arranged with a director conducting the tracks. S/he interprets the original track and gives his/her take on the piece. Imagine a director bringing a screenplay to life. Whether the direction wrote that screenplay themselves or not, they need to visually represent that. Think of a director in the same way. Direction matters.
•A jazz group's performers will often change from album to album, sometimes even recording to recording (live sessions included). Consider how important an individual musician's style is to the song, the director's conducting decisions, etc.
•Jazz usually goes over a chorus, then enters solos, and then brings it back to the chorus. Consider how the song structures are balanced. Do they have varied solo orders? Do they just use stale techniques?
•For a little background on jazz theory and performance practices, check this out: http://www.jazzatlincolncenter.org/TheRoad_noFl/pdf/Jazz101.pdf

For classical...
•Like a jazz album, any classical album is going to have a conductor and members of the ensemble. Whereas in jazz groups, the director usually plays an instruments in the group, in classical music, conductors are the dudes waving those sticks around in front. Consider that they too work off of sheet music and are giving their interpretation of the piece as well. The same director/screenplay analogy holds, probably even more importantly for a classical composer. Ensemble performances will rarely be as distinctive as a jazz ensemble member's performance, largely because in most classical music there is little improvisation. While Miles Davis gets his own 2-minute long trumpet solo where he improvises the whole thing, a lead violinist with a solo of equal length is much more under the conductor's control and so the merits of their individual performance are more under the conductor's decision making. Consider the roles and how that changes the performance.
•You are reviewing both the originally composed piece, and the particular recording of the piece. The orchestra/ensemble/whatever that plays the piece is just one version of the written music. Try to balance statements about the composer with those of the ensemble/conductor (e.g. "The use of Neopolitan chords in Beethoven's blablablablablah is super cool" vs. "The expressive violin playing carries the slower parts of the third movement").
•Some classical albums are recorded live at an event such as a symphony hall, whereas others are given studio cuts. Consider what that does to the overall sound or even the power of the piece.

•A last general suggestion, nobody wants to read a review for a really common or popular classical piece unless you're bringing a new view of the piece or performance to light or if you're giving a really detailed refined review. On the flip side, nobody wants to read a review for a super super obscure that was chosen for the sake of being off the beaten path. Find an interesting album but don't go weird for its own sake.

Prizes:
•The obvious large avatar if the winner does not already have one.
•Major brownie points for staff/contributor applications. A good jazz or classical review is really hard to pull off, and if done well will really speak to your merits as a writer.
•Review will be featured on the front page

Good luck everybody.

Accepted Reviews:
•marksellsuswallets - Bela Fleck and the Flecktones - Live at the Quick - http://www.sputnikmusic.com/album.php?reviewid=27238

Channing
09-15-2008, 01:28 AM
this is just the kind of motivation i needed to start my Kind of Blue review!

kind of blue is approved for this competition!

Thor
09-15-2008, 07:44 AM
For my Jazz In American Society class I have to do an album review soon, so this competition couldn't come at a better time. Nice.

Kirgasm
09-15-2008, 08:37 AM
I want to do this but I am outrageously lazy.

I want Woody Shaw Rosewood though, if I get around to it, so let me know if that's acceptable.

accepted

kingsoby1
09-15-2008, 01:07 PM
Ernie Watts - To The Point (released June 10th, 2008)

approved

Iluvatar
09-15-2008, 02:32 PM
I might do The Rite of Spring

dont know which performance though

conditionally approved, but you have to keep in mind that so so so much stuff has been written about the really sensational crazy opening performance, so you'd a) probably have to look at a more recent one and b) it's a ballet so you'd lose the entire visual component, which is sort of weird. i understand the music is highly valid, but it's sort of why i made it so people can't do soundtracks, because soundtracks aren't played sequentially throughout a movie and are a secondary element of the movie's production.

pixiesfanyo
09-15-2008, 02:46 PM
i will give people awesome suggestions for this.

Iluvatar
09-15-2008, 02:50 PM
because thats what we need people listening to somethign esoteric you recommend once and then giving it a 4.5 review

pixiesfanyo
09-15-2008, 02:51 PM
you should just review End on End and pretend it is a review for Rite of Springs.

have you heard Duo Concertant?

Iluvatar
09-15-2008, 02:53 PM
that was my master plan obviously

and no what is that

pixiesfanyo
09-15-2008, 02:56 PM
my favorite Stravinsky piece. lol. just trying to be intelligent

Iluvatar
09-15-2008, 02:58 PM
i really only know Firebird and Rite of Spring because I am fairly lame.

I tried listening to some of his later christian-influenced stuff or whatever and decided i was done with him.

Oddsen
09-15-2008, 04:13 PM
kind of blue doesn't need a review

Thor
09-15-2008, 04:15 PM
Rite of Spring is insanely epic and crazy, my brother blasts that in the house all the time

I think I might do Mingus Ah Um

approved

pixiesfanyo
09-15-2008, 04:36 PM
the prizes for this competition are like the prizes for a boy scout event.

you'll help america succeed!

DFelon204409
09-15-2008, 04:37 PM
Less talk more rock. Unless of course you have real suggestions and aren't just trying to make a joke.

Channing
09-15-2008, 04:59 PM
kind of blue doesn't need a review

really

iarescientists
09-15-2008, 05:04 PM
really

Electric City
09-15-2008, 05:12 PM
Just listened to Rite of Spring all the way through today. Fantastic

marksellsuswallets
09-15-2008, 06:19 PM
Would a review of Live At The Quick by Bela Fleck and The Flecktones be acceptable for this?

that's pretty borderline. it's jazz fusion and includes world music, bluegrass, and tons of other stuff, so i'm reluctant to allow it because it undermines the point of the competition. interesting music but maybe not right for this competition. if you can convince me, maybe, but i'd look for another album.

marksellsuswallets
09-15-2008, 06:28 PM
yeah I kind of figured with the bluegrass and stuff...eh I guess I'll look for another one

taylormemer
09-15-2008, 08:37 PM
Considering the vast array of physical interpretations of works such as the Rite, and Jupiter Symphony for example, explain where and how a user is to contemplate putting a review for a work such as that up... You'd need a new album page for every different interpretation.

ninjuice
09-15-2008, 08:52 PM
No soundtracks allowed
D'oh!!!

redskyformiles
09-16-2008, 01:09 PM
John Coltrane's Transition or Cannonball Adderley Quintet - Mercy! Mercy! Mercy! Live at the Club

approved

Meatplow
09-17-2008, 03:40 AM
Duke Ellington - The Far East Suite (Special Mix)

approved

DFelon204409
09-17-2008, 04:13 AM
I'm glad to see the decent turnout for this. I don't mean to dissuade people from their choices, but Duke Ellington, John Coltrane, and Miles Davis aren't exactly unknown performers. Admittedly, people have taken some effort to pick lesser known works, and certainly ones that aren't in the database (except chan obvi) but I was expecting slightly more unexpected choices. Also, where's the classical? Underrepresentation means a better chance to shine...

taylormemer
09-17-2008, 04:15 AM
I'm thinking about entering in for some classical.

Otherwise, I'll just keep on doing my own thing regarding the classical section.

Iluvatar
09-17-2008, 11:32 AM
so is Rite of Spring okay or is that too well known

Transient
09-17-2008, 11:38 AM
I'm glad to see the decent turnout for this. I don't mean to dissuade people from their choices, but Duke Ellington, John Coltrane, and Miles Davis aren't exactly unknown performers. Admittedly, people have taken some effort to pick lesser known works, and certainly ones that aren't in the database (except chan obvi) but I was expecting slightly more unexpected choices. Also, where's the classical? Underrepresentation means a better chance to shine...


No-one is going to do a classical review for this competition because no-one knows or cares about the bullshit you want them to write about. I'm sorry if no-one here has a degree in compositional theory that can stand up to your monolithic knowledge of Bartok's 9th whatever, but honestly, I'm not going to read a review that mentions 'Neopolitan chords' because I have no idea what the **** they are.

Iluvatar
09-17-2008, 11:41 AM
Why would you have to write a classical review like that versus just tackling it the same as you would any 21st century piece of pop music?

Transient
09-17-2008, 11:45 AM
Because that's how he's asking us to do it for this competition.

Thor
09-17-2008, 11:48 AM
I'm so stoked to read the Rite of Spring review tbh

Kage
09-17-2008, 11:56 AM
If people are strapped for good jazz releases to do I've got plenty of suggestions/uploads if you need them

Iluvatar
09-17-2008, 11:59 AM
Because that's how he's asking us to do it for this competition.

who cares what Nick says I mean come on really?

Iluvatar
09-17-2008, 11:59 AM
If people are strapped for good jazz releases to do I've got plenty of suggestions/uploads if you need them

MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF NOISY JAZZ YES

i am so stoked

edit: oh kage you are a bastard

Transient
09-17-2008, 12:12 PM
who cares what Nick says I mean come on really?


Touche.

DFelon204409
09-17-2008, 02:26 PM
No-one is going to do a classical review for this competition because no-one knows or cares about the bullshit you want them to write about. I'm sorry if no-one here has a degree in compositional theory that can stand up to your monolithic knowledge of Bartok's 9th whatever, but honestly, I'm not going to read a review that mentions 'Neopolitan chords' because I have no idea what the **** they are.

That's not at all what I asked of people. All I said was try make sure you are careful with who your statements are about. A statement about chords or anything to do with the original composition has to do with the composer, whereas the performance commentary has to do with the conductor and ensemble. I was only giving examples. You need to chill out dude.

DFelon204409
09-17-2008, 02:28 PM
so is Rite of Spring okay or is that too well known

It's pretty well known but if you have an original take on it, by all means.

Keep in mind there's also already a review up on sputnik: http://www.sputnikmusic.com/album.php?albumid=29437

Electric City
09-17-2008, 02:36 PM
]I'm so stoked to read the Rite of Spring review tbh

123, even though taylor did a fine job

Iluvatar
09-17-2008, 02:39 PM
I've written a 1000 word report on it before so I might use a lot of that analysis idk.

DFelon204409
09-17-2008, 02:45 PM
Do what you want Iluvatar.

FlawedPerfection
09-17-2008, 04:30 PM
Might do John Adams' On the Transmigration of Souls.

approved

Poet
09-18-2008, 06:55 AM
This makes me :( because I wouldn't have done my Vivaldi review if I knew 5 months later something like this would come up.

taylormemer
09-18-2008, 07:22 AM
Well, there's nothing stopping you from doing something else...

Kage
09-18-2008, 09:30 AM
that's the only classical piece he knows

DFelon204409
09-18-2008, 02:32 PM
Vivaldi sucks so hard.

pixiesfanyo
09-18-2008, 02:53 PM
more like Vifartli

Hunted By a Freak
09-18-2008, 04:02 PM
i'll do

Art Pepper - Art Pepper meets the Rhythm Section

approved

p.s.

"•Jazz groups are usually arranged with a director conducting the tracks."

idk as far as my knowledge goes there is usually a "leader" on a record date but not usually a conductor, jazz sometimes has a conductor if it is a big band but usually not small group

DFelon204409
09-18-2008, 04:21 PM
i'll do

Art Pepper - Art Pepper meets the Rhythm Section

p.s.

"•Jazz groups are usually arranged with a director conducting the tracks."

idk as far as my knowledge goes there is usually a "leader" on a record date but not usually a conductor, jazz sometimes has a conductor if it is a big band but usually not small group

Director = leader. P.S. Art Pepper is approved.

Kage
09-18-2008, 04:21 PM
lol yeah

DFelon204409
09-29-2008, 02:32 PM
Bump so people remember to submit reviews soon.

Hunted By a Freak
09-29-2008, 02:38 PM
lol oh yeah i forgot about this thing

Electric City
09-29-2008, 05:57 PM
might do Max Richter- The Blue Notebooks y/n?

maybe. the samples i heard made it seem like minimalism, but the genre tags on amazon suggested it was post-rock. also, it seems like performance practice, composition, and conducting are all done by the same guy, which sort of undermines the challenges of the competition. if you take that on keep in mind that that lowers the difficult of the review and that'll be incorporated. sounds like a cool album though and i'd want to read a review even outside of this comp so ya.

marksellsuswallets
09-29-2008, 06:07 PM
I might end up not doing this but if I decide to would Vladimir Horowitz - Horowitz In Hamburg be acceptable?

approved

lunchforthesky
09-29-2008, 06:50 PM
I love jazz but I've never felt educated enough in it to review. I'll give it a go though if anyone has any suggestions. Most of the stuff I have is the classic stuff which already has reviews.

DFelon204409
09-29-2008, 07:04 PM
I love jazz but I've never felt educated enough in it to review. I'll give it a go though if anyone has any suggestions. Most of the stuff I have is the classic stuff which already has reviews.

You should check out the album Hindsight by Ken McIntyre.

Thor
10-05-2008, 10:57 PM
http://www.sputnikmusic.com/review_27468

Just submitted my review. :)

ohcleverhansyou
10-05-2008, 11:46 PM
It's too late where I am, but I'll still submit a review for Chris Botti's Italia (2007).

Thor
10-05-2008, 11:50 PM
So does it look like there's only two reviews accepted for the comp? lol

Iluvatar
10-05-2008, 11:52 PM
about as good of a success as random review games used to be

Thor
10-05-2008, 11:53 PM
If it wasn't for my class I wouldn't have actually done this in time tbh :lol:

ohcleverhansyou
10-06-2008, 12:09 AM
Well...I'll submit mine...

DFelon204409
10-06-2008, 01:05 AM
Well the deadline has been extended by a week. There are always extensions because people want to do it after the fact.

kingsoby1
10-08-2008, 02:52 PM
My Watts review should be up tonight or tomorrow night.

Cesar21
10-08-2008, 03:25 PM
Can I do Pictures at an Exhibition by Mussorgsky?

Oh never mind, found him on the data base, and it already has a review and everything.

Thor
10-20-2008, 06:55 PM
hey so is this competition just dead or what

DFelon204409
10-20-2008, 07:30 PM
Ya pretty much. Feel free to submit though. If anything my suggestions section should be a nice mini-guide for reviewing.

kingsoby1
10-22-2008, 01:16 AM
http://www.sputnikmusic.com/review_27640

Sorry it took so long... work sucks :(

kingsoby1
10-28-2008, 09:17 AM
I linked my review to Ernie Watts' PR manager, and she replied :)

Dear Sobhi:

Thank you so much for your email. The review really hits the mark on many levels. Were you there when they recorded the CD?

I will share this with Ernie, who I will see later today.

Sincerely,
Nancy
Just received a second response, and now I'm on the mailing list for new releases. I never thought artists really cared about their reviews, but this is really cool.
Dear Sobhi:

By the way, how did you get a copy of Ernie Watts' TO THE POINT. Are you on our mailing list? If not, please give me your address and I will be sure you receive future releases.

Everyone, including Ernie really loved your words, especially about being "carved" into that jazz-family tree.

Regards,
Nancy
I think I'm going to link my (positive) reviews to all artists from now on.

DFelon204409
10-28-2008, 01:42 PM
That's pretty great dude.

beans
10-28-2008, 02:38 PM
There are always extensions because people want to do it after the fact.

always