who the hell is voting for mccain?

[keyboardxmosh]

i wont because we need change and i heard that mccains a republican so he hates change because hes an old warmonger who doesnt care about young people and actually wants them killed in iraq

[keyboardxmosh]

also, obama is black, so we should def vote for him because itll make everybody think more highly of america if we have a black president, multiculturalism you no?

[Mister_Che]

Try harder.

[keyboardxmosh]

trying

[Jude]

I'm voting for Obama because he's black


Well, and because McCain/Palin are Satan

[DBoons Ghost]

Undecided as of yet.

Yay for posting in a troll thread!

[pppoe]

How can you still be undecided?

[Permanent Solution]

Undecided as of yet.

srsly?

Palin on the ticket wasn't decision enough? =\

[DBoons Ghost]

C'mon guys shhh it's a troll thread.

Besides I like Palin's lips. I think she'd probably suck a mean dick if she wasn't friends with Jesus.

[pppoe]

I don't like her voice.

[keyboardxmosh]

C'mon guys shhh it's a troll thread.

Besides I like Palin's lips. I think she'd probably suck a mean dick if she wasn't friends with Jesus.

excuse me sir but i do not trolling

[DBoons Ghost]

I don't like her voice.

Who cares about her voice? She won't be talkin' with her mouth of tasty italian sausage. I'm pretty sure she aint got none of that up in Alaska.

[pppoe]

No but she got lots of bear sausage.

[DBoons Ghost]

Seriously this is the most important election of my lifetime so far.

It's time for change. Embrace the change. It is your destiny. May the force be with us all.

[pppoe]

I'm thinking about voting for Clinton.

[okay]

Seriously this is the most important election of my lifetime so far.

It's time for change. Embrace the change. It is your destiny. May the force be with us all.

hell yeah, its like ****in lord of the rings. Obama is Aragorn son of Arathorn, Bill Clinton is Gandalf the White as evidenced by his speech at the DNC, Biden is Gimli, and Mccain is sauron and palin is the king of the nazgul.

[keyboardxmosh]

aragorn was no ******

you ****ing idiot
Seriously this is the most important election of my lifetime so far.

It's time for change. Embrace the change. It is your destiny. May the force be with us all.

oh yes change, im definitely voting for change

[okay]

i am calling on someone with photoshop and epic photoshop skillz to illustrate my comparison!

[Knifeboy]

i would but lotr sucks

actually i wouldn't

but lotr still sucks

[okay]

no its actually a very entertaining story.

[eliminatorz]

i agree mappy embrace the change and stop ur bad trolling

[keyboardxmosh]

ehy nick wli you teach my \right way then?

[Light Fantastic]

Besides I like Palin's lips. I think she'd probably suck a mean dick if she wasn't friends with Jesus.dont you read national enquirer i heard she was a slut

[Mr. Ron]

not voting this year

[Chu]

I saw on the news, Palin had a speech where she said the American occupation of Iraq was a quest from God ...

Awesome vice president right there.

[Mr. Ron]

Ok so palin in a nutshell:

Jesusfag
supports censorship
hawk
abstinence only education supporter



We deserve everything we get if those two are elected.

[Chu]

I also heard she denies climate change ... I don't know, but if you look pretty much anywhere in the world right now, it's pretty damn evident.

You should vote just so they don't get in.

[Mr. Ron]

idk I'm just not into obama

[Chu]

He's infinitely better than McCain/Pulin :(

[Mr. Ron]

Well yeah but I don't want my vote to mean that.

[Chu]

What do you mean? :confused:

[Mr. Ron]

I just don't want to vote for some guy I don't agree with just so even bigger morons get into office. That sort of insults my right to vote or not imo.

[Chu]

Fair enough.

If McCain does win, I have like 4 spare bedrooms at this house, if anyone needs to get out ...

[Nightsbane]

F*** Hope, Vote Nader.

Seriously.

[808]

I just don't want to vote for some guy I don't agree with just so even bigger morons get into office. That sort of insults my right to vote or not imo.

I'm only voting for Obama because I don't want McCain to win.

You should do the same.

[JJLink]

Obama is toast. I just watched 5 videos of him & old man Biden, and they are all just yelling and screaming and spewing out typical democratic BS, you can see the writing on the wall. Obama is yesterdays news. His star peaked way too fast, he is on a rapid descent right now. McCain will be our next President

[Iscariot]

idk I'm just not into obama

that's because you're not poor

he appeals to a huge population of people including myself

[guitrguy]

Obama is toast. I just watched 5 videos of him & old man Biden, and they are all just yelling and screaming and spewing out typical democratic BS, you can see the writing on the wall. Obama is yesterdays news. His star peaked way too fast, he is on a rapid descent right now. McCain will be our next President

go post your empty analysis somewhere else.

[JJLink]

go post your empty analysis somewhere else.
you like following me around and sucking on my tits , don't you?

[Chu]

That's a weird way to picture it JayLink.

Homosexual tendencies?

[JJLink]

That's a weird way to picture it JayLink.

Homosexual tendencies?
The little punk follows me around and trolls me in every thread. Can I help it if he is starting to make my nipples hard?


McCain/Palin 08!!!

[Chu]

McCain/Palin 08!!!
That's just silly talk.

I thought you would be smarter than that, but I guess not.

[guitrguy]

you like following me around and sucking on my tits , don't you?

I actually post in here and hate seeing your pseudo-intellectual posts.

[JJLink]

Nah, Obama is tanking. He is in panic mode now. As much as he hated Hillary, he should have picked her for VP, he would be 15 point ahead , but he fuked up.

[JJLink]

I actually post in here and hate seeing your pseudo-intellectual posts.
stfu punk, you troll everyone of my posts like a sick little puppy dog following around his master. If you hate my posts , put me on ignore..simple..

[Swill_Merchant]

you like following me around and sucking on my tits , don't you?

Delicious man boobies. Hmmmmmm....

[guitrguy]

stop posting you are seriously contributing nothing here. saying obama is down for and using empty and baseless rhetoric to support that is not contributing post.

This is also void of content:

Nah, Obama is tanking. He is in panic mode now. As much as he hated Hillary, he should have picked her for VP, he would be 15 point ahead , but he fuked up.

[okay]

Nah, Obama is tanking. He is in panic mode now. As much as he hated Hillary, he should have picked her for VP, he would be 15 point ahead , but he fuked up.

you keep saying this, but i dont really see any proof. sure he might be behind in the points a bit, but i'd say thats mostly due to the hubbub about the GOP convention and McCain picking Palin. plus, who cares if he's tanking, im still not voting for a warhawk like mccain or a religious zealot like Palin.

[JJLink]

Delicious man boobies. Hmmmmmm....

Thanks man, but they are exclusively for guitarguy!!:chug:

[UmphreysHead]

This is weird, I agree with Jay.

[JJLink]

you keep saying this, but i dont really see any proof. sure he might be behind in the points a bit, but i'd say thats mostly due to the hubbub about the GOP convention and McCain picking Palin. plus, who cares if he's tanking, im still not voting for a warhawk like mccain or a religious zealot like Palin.

That is your right to vote for whomever you choose. I am voting for McCain so far, because I don't trust Obama. He has done nothing in the Senate, nothing for Chicago or Illinois , and I should know, I lived in his district for 10 years, and what makes you think he can solve all the countries problems by proposing a trillion dollars in new funding? When is the money going to come from?
Obama is hardly the solution to all of our countries ills.

[Light Fantastic]

guys why do you believe anyone would vote for mccain its an obvious troll nobody is that stupid

[Iscariot]

That is your right to vote for whomever you choose. I am voting for McCain so far, because I don't trust Obama. He has done nothing in the Senate, nothing for Chicago or Illinois , and I should know, I lived in his district for 10 years, and what makes you think he can solve all the countries problems by proposing a trillion dollars in new funding? When is the money going to come from?
Obama is hardly the solution to all of our countries ills.

if you had actually watched his speech at the DNC he outlined pretty clearly how he's going to adjust the budget for his proposed ideas

i wouldn't expect you to know what you're talking about though

[guitrguy]

no jay is that stupid

[Chu]

That is your right to vote for whomever you choose. I am voting for McCain so far, because I don't trust Obama. He has done nothing in the Senate, nothing for Chicago or Illinois , and I should know, I lived in his district for 10 years, and what makes you think he can solve all the countries problems by proposing a trillion dollars in new funding? When is the money going to come from?
Obama is hardly the solution to all of our countries ills.
Yeah, so McCain is the solution? lol

[JJLink]

if you had actually watched his speech at the DNC he outlined pretty clearly how he's going to adjust the budget for his proposed ideas

i wouldn't expect you to know what you're talking about though

I watched his entire speech, the pretty smoke and fog and strobes and big white roman columns, he is a joke, all rhetoric. He talks about change and hope and he himself has no idea how to get there... Come back in about 12 years Obama, when you have actually done something in the Senate, then maybe I'll listen..

[Iscariot]

oh ok so you didn't actually watch the speech

[JJLink]

Yeah, so McCain is the solution? lol
There is no solution. McCain has a better grasp of being a president that The Messiah, The Rock Star.
It will take 8-10 years to fix all the problems in our country. For the last 2 years the do nothing democratic has called the shots, and things are progressively worse.

[okay]

That is your right to vote for whomever you choose. I am voting for McCain so far, because I don't trust Obama. He has done nothing in the Senate, nothing for Chicago or Illinois , and I should know, I lived in his district for 10 years, and what makes you think he can solve all the countries problems by proposing a trillion dollars in new funding? When is the money going to come from?
Obama is hardly the solution to all of our countries ills.

Hardly is a man who is so quick to aggression, who has a gross misunderstanding of diplomacy, who wants to drill for more oil, something that will not in any circumstance help anything. I have lived in Arizona for 18 years, and I haven't seen any tangible evidence of what Mccain has done, but that doesn't mean he hasn't done anything; I don't see how you can accuse Obama of doing nothing, his voting record is hardly blank.
In terms of the funding, I don't think you really understand the democratic viewpoint: the money comes from taxes (I can hear the republicans poopting bricks at that phrase), but seeing as democrats believe in social services provided by the government, that money that goes into taxes can ideally be gotten back in the form of social services.

I watched his entire speech, the pretty smoke and fog and strobes and big white roman columns, he is a joke, all rhetoric. He talks about change and hope and he himself has no idea how to get there... Come back in about 12 years Obama, when you have actually done something in the Senate, then maybe I'll listen..

'joke, all rhetoric', are you ****ing kidding me? How can you say this while the republicans run their campaigns on 'character' and 'values'?

[guitrguy]

I watched his entire speech, the pretty smoke and fog and strobes and big white roman columns, he is a joke, all rhetoric. He talks about change and hope and he himself has no idea how to get there... Come back in about 12 years Obama, when you have actually done something in the Senate, then maybe I'll listen..

not only do you not know his speech you managed to project your problem with discussing politics on him.

[Iskandar]

I love how Jay said for months that "Hillary was going to do it!" and now he's claiming to be a McCain supporter because she failed, even though Hillary's and Obama's politics are almost exactly the same.

[Iscariot]

There is no solution. McCain has a better grasp of being a president that The Messiah, The Rock Star.
It will take 8-10 years to fix all the problems in our country. For the last 2 years the do nothing democratic has called the shots, and things are progressively worse.

mccain defines the middle class as anyone making less than $5 mil/year

a man like that has no grasp on what it means to be president

[Iskandar]

or reality

[guitrguy]

I love how Jay said for months that "Hillary was going to do it!" and now he's claiming to be a McCain supporter because she failed, even though Hillary's and Obama's politics are almost exactly the same.

as you can tell from his posts, hes hasn't the faintest idea of what's going on.

[guitrguy]

There is no solution. McCain has a better grasp of being a president that The Messiah, The Rock Star.
It will take 8-10 years to fix all the problems in our country. For the last 2 years the do nothing democratic has called the shots, and things are progressively worse.

explain (something you might want to do if you post in here.)

[Iscariot]

i'm getting the impression that jay keeps up with politics by watching the highlights on fox news

[JJLink]

I love how Jay said for months that "Hillary was going to do it!" and now he's claiming to be a McCain supporter because she failed, even though Hillary's and Obama's politics are almost exactly the same.
You and I both know Hillary was bushwhacked. She was robbed. Obama was appointed , he was not elected. Now they count Michigan and Florida , but if they did in the beginning Obama would have lost. Now the dems have once again snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, by nomination the weaker, and the wrong candidate. It will be a very close race, very tight, but I think McCain will eke out a victory.

[Correction]

mccain defines the middle class as anyone making less than $5 mil/year

a man like that has no grasp on what it means to be president

this, exactly.

[okay]

You and I both know Hillary was bushwhacked. She was robbed. Obama was appointed , he was not elected. Now they count Michigan and Florida , but if they did in the beginning Obama would have lost. Now the dems have once again snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, by nomination the weaker, and the wrong candidate. It will be a very close race, very tight, but I think McCain will eke out a victory.



i dont even know what to say to that

[Iscariot]

You and I both know Hillary was bushwhacked. She was robbed. Obama was appointed , he was not elected. Now they count Michigan and Florida , but if they did in the beginning Obama would have lost. Now the dems have once again snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, by nomination the weaker, and the wrong candidate. It will be a very close race, very tight, but I think McCain will eke out a victory.

if losing to the better candidate and failing to provide a platform better than "i cry when things don't go my way" is getting robbed, then yeah sure hillary got robbed

[Chu]

Jared, we have a conflict of interests in most things, but you are ****ing on fire here.

[PshSam]

if Iscariot, is jared, then yes he is.

[guitrguy]

You and I both know Hillary was bushwhacked. She was robbed. Obama was appointed , he was not elected. Now they count Michigan and Florida , but if they did in the beginning Obama would have lost. Now the dems have once again snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, by nomination the weaker, and the wrong candidate. It will be a very close race, very tight, but I think McCain will eke out a victory.

quit acting like both states didn't break party rules well before the voting started. Obama also was not originally on the Florida ballot. How utterly stupid are you?

[JJLink]

Oh come on, get your head out of the sand. Obama was Pelosi's and Reids designated pick before he even ran. They all hate the Clinton's. Obama is a set up, the dems though they could walk all over any Republican candidate, and two things happened. Mccain came back strong, and he is no Bush, and the Palin VP pick, knocked them for a loop and they are still trying to figure out how to fight back. Let's face it. Republicans fight dirty, fight hard, and know how to win elections. Dems just don't have the backbone. If it wasn't for Ralph Nader taking votes during Bill Clinton's first run, he would have lost too..

[JJLink]

quit acting like both states didn't break party rules well before the voting started. Obama also was not originally on the Florida ballot. How utterly stupid are you?
obviously a little smarter than you, since he was not on Michigan's ballot, but he was on Florida's from the start.

[guitrguy]

people like you are the reason why bush got into office.

[guitrguy]

obviously a little smarter than you, since he was not on Michigan's ballot, but he was on Florida's from the start.

I got states mixed up, you still fail to address the actual content.

[Iskandar]

Obama beat Hillary fair and square. Everyone acknowledged this months ago.

[Chu]

Except for Jay.

His man crush on the pant suits ...

[JJLink]

people like you are the reason why bush got into office.

I never voted for Bush, to me he is just like Obama, he was an inexperienced leader who claimed to be a uniter. Sound familiar??? Look what happened there.

[Iscariot]

Oh come on, get your head out of the sand. Obama was Pelosi's and Reids designated pick before he even ran.

cool

They all hate the Clinton's.

can you back that up with any proof or is this more of your inflated boring conjecture

Obama is a set up, the dems though they could walk all over any Republican candidate,

that's probably because the republicans have run our country into the dirt, put us trillions of dollars in debt, and destroyed the bulk of our foreign relations in the short span of 8 years

and two things happened. Mccain came back strong, and he is no Bush,

mccain openly agrees with more than a handful of bush's policies and states he intends to carry on with more of the same

and the Palin VP pick, knocked them for a loop and they are still trying to figure out how to fight back.

palin is a joke

if you want to talk about experience lets talk about how palin has been a governor for less than three years, has never been to washington, supports the secession of alaska from the united states, and said, "I don't even know what the VP does."

Let's face it. Republicans fight dirty, fight hard, and know how to win elections.

well you got the dirty part right

Dems just don't have the backbone. If it wasn't for Ralph Nader taking votes during Bill Clinton's first run, he would have lost too..

are you ****ing kidding me

[JJLink]

Obama beat Hillary fair and square. Everyone acknowledged this months ago.
There was no fair and square. Why do you think Hillary is not coming out fighting hard against Palin. She knows Obama is going to lose, and she looking forward to 2012.

[Iskandar]

yeah expect that their politics are completely different
There was no fair and square. tthat would be when obama got more delegates than her

and she conceded defeat

and at the convention he was nominated

[GUTS]

im voting for my left tesicle. He's a radical.

[Chu]

palin is a joke

if you want to talk about experience lets talk about how palin has been a governor for less than three years, has never been to washington, supports the secession of alaska from the united states, and said, "I don't even know what the VP does."
She believes the US occupation of Iraq is a quest from God!

I don't even know where to begin with this one.

[guitrguy]

I never voted for Bush, to me he is just like Obama, he was an inexperienced leader who claimed to be a uniter. Sound familiar??? Look what happened there.

funny thing is bush ran a state. what are you basing this on?

[Iskandar]

remember when bush won his second term

that was a really bad moment

[guitrguy]

There was no fair and square.

explain

[GUTS]

remember when bush STOLE his second term

that was a really bad moment

:angry: yes.

[Iskandar]

:angry: yes.no he won it fairly and that's what makes it so bad

[guitrguy]

Also jay, how does legislative experience that McCain has equate into executive experience?

[Iskandar]

who cares how much experience mccain has when his politics suck so much

[Chu]

Brian, that's a bit too intellectual for Jay.

[guitrguy]

who cares how much experience mccain has when his politics suck so much

I honestly don't care, I'm just trying to figure what he deems experience.

[UmphreysHead]

remember when bush won his second term

that was a really bad moment
Are you guys gonna try this a third time if McCain wins? I mean it's absolutely impossible that your candidate could lose, no conceivable way.


Also, Jay you should think about attacking Obama on the issues, dumbass.

[Iskandar]

Are you guys gonna try this a third time if McCain wins? I mean it's absolutely impossible that your candidate could lose, no conceivable way.????????

huh????

[UmphreysHead]

????????

huh????
I would say "would you like me to spell it out for you?", but...

[Chu]

He already explained his stance on that though.

You completely misunderstood what he said.

[Iskandar]

I would say "would you like me to spell it out for you?", but...Or try posting something that actually makes sense.

[UmphreysHead]

Or try posting something that actually makes sense.
It's quite simple really. The last two times your candidate has lost you've bitched and complained about how rigged it was, I'm asking if it happens again are you going to complain more?

[Iskandar]

It's quite simple really. The last two times your candidate has lost you've bitched and complained about how rigged it was, I'm asking if it happens again are you going to complain more?I must have missed the part where I claimed it was rigged. Oh yeah, that's because I didn't!

[Correction]

no, we will not complain.

[Iscariot]

It's quite simple really. The last two times your candidate has lost you've bitched and complained about how rigged it was, I'm asking if it happens again are you going to complain more?

when bush was first elected it obviously was a rigged election unless you've somehow forgotten the mysterious vanishing votes in florida which just so happens to be the state his brother governed over

and let's not forget the thousands of black voters who were turned away at the polls because "they were closed" while white republican voters were allowed to step inside and cast their votes

the second time he was elected it was just poor voter education

[Chu]

I guess you missed this post Umphrey's http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=16666263&postcount=90

So, I'll quote it again, and this time I will increase size so you don't miss it.

no he won it fairly and that's what makes it so bad

[Iskandar]

thank you chu:)

[JJLink]

When Obama loses in November, his people will riot in the streets claiming fraud...
Umphreys got a good point, if it happens a third time, who you gonna blame?

[Iskandar]

obama is going to win because his opponent is a doddering old fool from a party that's run the country into the ground for the last decade

[guitrguy]

When Obama loses in November, his people will riot in the streets claiming fraud...
Umphreys got a good point, if it happens a third time, who you gonna blame?

why don't you answer the questions posed to instead of ignoring them all

[JJLink]

because you're too brilliant and you already know all the answer. Why create a triple redundancy just because you got a problem with me.

[Iscariot]

why don't you answer the questions posed to instead of ignoring them all

because he's too stupid to address points he doesn't understand

[Chu]

Jay, you're such a child.

[JJLink]

obama is going to win because his opponent is a doddering old fool from a party that's run the country into the ground for the last decade

At least you hope that's what is going to happen. A lot of women and democrats like McCain if you recall. He was even asked to be on a Democratic ticket in years past, so honestly, trying to say he is completely responsible for Bush's problems, and saying he is another Bush, is grasping at straws. There are many in the electorate who will vote for McCain.

[UmphreysHead]

I must have missed the part where I claimed it was rigged. Oh yeah, that's because I didn't!
Terribly sorry man, Marijuana and politics don't mix...


Jay, shut the **** up. You're only hurting McCain.

[Chu]

How about you form your own opinion on things Jay.
You know, I've heard it works.

Edit: Umphrey's that's not true :)

[JJLink]

Jay, you're such a child.
thanks Chu, I work hard at trying to be just like you guys..
Only you'll never admit how childish it is to attack my every post with bs. Very immature , if you would take a moment to look at it outside the realm of this forum.:thumb:

[guitrguy]

At least you hope that's what is going to happen. A lot of women and democrats like McCain if you recall. He was even asked to be on a Democratic ticket in years past, so honestly, trying to say he is completely responsible for Bush's problems, and saying he is another Bush, is grasping at straws. There are many in the electorate who will vote for McCain.

you again base this on nothing.

[Iskandar]

Terribly sorry man, Marijuana and politics don't mix...You're not a bad guy for a Republican.:wave:

[JJLink]

Terribly sorry man, Marijuana and politics don't mix...


Jay, shut the **** up. You're only hurting McCain.
bs , I beg to differ. McCain will do just fine, no matter what I say about him on mx forums..hahahahahahhaha

[UmphreysHead]

You're not a bad guy for a Republican.:wave:
That's libertarian. :)

And you're not so bad for a Democrat. :wave:

[UmphreysHead]

bs , I beg to differ. McCain will do just fine, no matter what I say about him on mx forums..hahahahahahhaha
Not until I put up all your retarded posts all over my school with the headline, "These are the guys voting for McCain, yeah."

[Iskandar]

That's libertarian. :)

And you're not so bad for a Democrat. :wave:That's democratic socialist.

A libertarian, eh. Guess you were a Ron Paul support before his campaign tanked?

[guitrguy]

thanks Chu, I work hard at trying to be just like you guys..
Only you'll never admit how childish it is to attack my every post with bs. Very immature , if you would take a moment to look at it outside the realm of this forum.:thumb:

you can't be serious. You are dodging questions in order to hide your ignorance of politics.

[Iscariot]

At least you hope that's what is going to happen. A lot of women and democrats like McCain if you recall. He was even asked to be on a Democratic ticket in years past, so honestly, trying to say he is completely responsible for Bush's problems, and saying he is another Bush, is grasping at straws. There are many in the electorate who will vote for McCain.

um no a lot of women and democrats don't like mccain because he picked palin for his running mate and she holds a pro-life stance and is extremely counter-productive in the field of women's rights and the further we go into this election the more mccain falls back on bush's policies

[Iskandar]

You know who Democrats like more? Obama, because he is one.;)

[UmphreysHead]

That's democratic socialist.

A libertarian, eh. Guess you were a Ron Paul support before his campaign tanked?
From what I read (which was little) I agreed with it, but I mostly followed McCain/Obama because a vote for Ron Paul is a waste.

[guitrguy]

bs , I beg to differ. McCain will do just fine, no matter what I say about him on mx forums..hahahahahahhaha

no ****.

[JJLink]

Only time will tell, since all of Obama's number are dropping including huge margins of white voters and women. I am sure it means nothing.

[Iskandar]

From what I read (which was little) I agreed with it, but I mostly followed McCain/Obama because a vote for Ron Paul is a waste.Yeah, I guess. What attracts you to McCain then?

[guitrguy]

Only time will tell, since all of Obama's number are dropping including huge margins of white voters and women. I am sure it means nothing.

link

[Iskandar]

Some polls have Obama leading by eight points. Some have him tied. It doesn't really matter anyway since the election is two months away.

[Iscariot]

Only time will tell, since all of Obama's number are dropping including huge margins of white voters and women. I am sure it means nothing.

source

[UmphreysHead]

Yeah, I guess. What attracts you to McCain then?
To be completely honest there are a lot of points I disagree with for McCain, what I do agree with however is Iraq, Gun Control, Health Care. I think Obama has some good ideas, but I just can't stand his thoughts on the above issues. I'm only 16 though and can't vote, so I haven't dug super super deep into campaign.

[JJLink]

http://www.zogby.com/News/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1541

[Iscariot]

oh hey zogby yeah they're really well known people cite them all the time on here

oh wait

[Iskandar]

To be completely honest there are a lot of points I disagree with for McCain, what I do agree with however is Iraq, Gun Control, Health Care. I think Obama has some good ideas, but I just can't stand his thoughts on the above issues. I'm only 16 though and can't vote, so I haven't dug super super deep into campaign.I see. The main reasons why I'm for Obama are Iraq and health care. (Gun control isn't a big issue for me because I'm not a gun owner.)

[JJLink]

oh hey zogby yeah they're really well known people cite them all the time on here

oh wait
They are one of the oldest and most consistent polls and have made more correct predictions that many others.

[Iscariot]

i disagree with obama's stance on gun control because i don't feel that responsible owners should be punished for illegal activities that they had no part in, but i'm willing to take a blow for a better country overall

[UmphreysHead]

I see. The main reasons why I'm for Obama are Iraq and health care. (Gun control isn't a big issue for me because I'm not a gun owner.)
I'm not to big on guns either, I just think that by banning guns they're being taken out of the hands of Americans who get them legally, and not from gang members/killers/what have you. If someone wants to shoot a gun at some targets or go hunting I don't think it's anyone's place to tell them they can't.

[guitrguy]

oh hey zogby yeah they're really well known people cite them all the time on here

oh wait

over two weeks old at that.

[guitrguy]

They are one of the oldest and most consistent polls and have made more correct predictions that many others.

its been around since 1984

[JJLink]

Home » topic sections » USA » USA: Campaign 2008
New poll shows Obama losing support among young, women

Steven Thomma | McClatchy Newspapers

Barack Obama has lost ground among some of his strongest bases of support, including young people, women, Democrats and independents, according to a new ATV/Zogby poll.

The Illinois Democrat has also lost some support among African-Americans and Hispanics, where his lead over Republican John McCain has shrunk, and among Catholics, where he's lost his lead.

The net result, pollster John Zogby found, is a race that's neck and neck, with McCain supported by 42 percent; Obama by 41 percent; Libertarian Bob Barr by 2 percent; and independent Ralph Nader by 2 percent. Another 13 percent supported other candidates or were undedcided.

Zogby called the results a "notable turnaround" from a July survey he did that showed Obama leading by 46-36.

"McCain made signifciant gains at Obama's expense among some of what had been Obama's strongest demographic groups," Zogby said.

His findings:

-Among voters aged 18-29, Obama lost 16 percent and McCain gained 20. Obama still leads, 49-38;

-Among women, McCain gained 10 percentage points. Obama now leads 43-38;

-Among independents, Obama lost an 11 point lead. They're now tied;

-Among Democrats, Obama's support dropped from 83 percent to 74 percent;

-Among Catholics, Obama lost the 11 point lead he had in July and now trails McCain by 15.

Zogby said Obama also lost ground among minorities.

He attributed Obama's erosion of support to McCain's criticisms of Obama as inexperienced in the wake of Obama's trip to Europe, the Middle East, Afghanistan and Iraq and to Obama's flips on some issues

[GUTS]

WAIT! i think im gonna vote for my left testicle now! he's pretty much the same, but he's a reactionary!

[Iskandar]

what

[GUTS]

too bad i have to vote for one nut or the other, I wish i could vote for my dick, cause then we'd at least get some pussy around here. ****

[Mr. Ron]

leave.

[guitrguy]

Home » topic sections » USA » USA: Campaign 2008
New poll shows Obama losing support among young, women

Steven Thomma | McClatchy Newspapers

Barack Obama has lost ground among some of his strongest bases of support, including young people, women, Democrats and independents, according to a new ATV/Zogby poll.

The Illinois Democrat has also lost some support among African-Americans and Hispanics, where his lead over Republican John McCain has shrunk, and among Catholics, where he's lost his lead.

The net result, pollster John Zogby found, is a race that's neck and neck, with McCain supported by 42 percent; Obama by 41 percent; Libertarian Bob Barr by 2 percent; and independent Ralph Nader by 2 percent. Another 13 percent supported other candidates or were undedcided.

Zogby called the results a "notable turnaround" from a July survey he did that showed Obama leading by 46-36.

"McCain made signifciant gains at Obama's expense among some of what had been Obama's strongest demographic groups," Zogby said.

His findings:

-Among voters aged 18-29, Obama lost 16 percent and McCain gained 20. Obama still leads, 49-38;

-Among women, McCain gained 10 percentage points. Obama now leads 43-38;

-Among independents, Obama lost an 11 point lead. They're now tied;

-Among Democrats, Obama's support dropped from 83 percent to 74 percent;

-Among Catholics, Obama lost the 11 point lead he had in July and now trails McCain by 15.

Zogby said Obama also lost ground among minorities.

He attributed Obama's erosion of support to McCain's criticisms of Obama as inexperienced in the wake of Obama's trip to Europe, the Middle East, Afghanistan and Iraq and to Obama's flips on some issues
that's the same poll you just posted

[Iskandar]

Vote Obama 08

[JJLink]

Vote McCain08... Hillary 2012.. Send the thug Obama back to Chi town where he belongs.

[guitrguy]

shut up already

[JJLink]

no, I have an opinion, you shut up and stop fukin' trolling my every post prick.

[Avalanche.]

why couldnt he just stay in the pit

[guitrguy]

no, I have an opinion, you shut up and stop fukin' trolling my every post prick.

stop posting stupid opinions

[GUTS]

leave.

will do daddy.

[nungman]

Vote McCain08... Hillary 2012.. Send the thug Obama back to Chi town where he belongs.

jokes on you fat people dont actually have a vote

and if mccain wins there wont be a 2012 election because mccain hates freedom true story look it up

[JJLink]

why couldnt he just stay in the pit

look, it's very simple. If you agree or disagree with me, I am good with that, but don't come in here with a holier than thou attitude and try to minimalize my opinions. I believe that are just as valid as any other forum member.
I respect everyone else's opinion and I should have that same respect. If you choose not to give me that respect, that is your problem, not mine.
I will continue to post my thoughts and opinions.

[guitrguy]

you might to try post less like you have politics figured out when it shows you're really out of touch

[JJLink]

I study politics intensely. I voted for Reagan in 1980. I am not out of touch at all, so you're talking smack again.

[guitrguy]

I study politics intensely. I voted for Reagan in 1980. I am not out of touch at all, so you're talking smack again.

obviously not especially when you have to dodge simple questions.

What does you voting Reagan have to do with anything other than you voting for an overrated president that bad policy but had a personality the over shined bad policy making?

[JJLink]

brian, go away, I so tire of your silly trolling. You're like a little tin can rolling around with a pebble in it, saying nothing, but doing your goddamn best to be annoying.
I state my opinion, I am not obligated to answer any troll questions just for the sake of you constantly creating an argument. it's really old.

[guitrguy]

they were legit questions that had to do with your illogic. Calling them troll questions just means you can't answer them without undermining your previous statements.

[808]

I find it hard to believe that someone who studies politics intensely would vote Reagan.

[JJLink]

back in the day, he was just like Obama , a rockstar, and immensely popular. You see what happened .

[guitrguy]

This political genius also post stupid **** like this, and acts like its full of substance and substantiated.

Oh come on, get your head out of the sand. Obama was Pelosi's and Reids designated pick before he even ran. They all hate the Clinton's. Obama is a set up, the dems though they could walk all over any Republican candidate, and two things happened. Mccain came back strong, and he is no Bush, and the Palin VP pick, knocked them for a loop and they are still trying to figure out how to fight back. Let's face it. Republicans fight dirty, fight hard, and know how to win elections. Dems just don't have the backbone. If it wasn't for Ralph Nader taking votes during Bill Clinton's first run, he would have lost too..

[guitrguy]

back in the day, he was just like Obama , a rockstar, and immensely popular. You see what happened .

you keep drawing these personality parallels like they mean something. Bill Clinton had a rockstar persona and you suck his and hilary's dick religiously.

[JJLink]

I was alive to experience it, you were not, so you have no concept of the matter at hand, except making yourself look foolish. I admire all the work the Clinton's have done on behalf of the poor and minorities in this country, is that so bad?

[808]

Yes.

[guitrguy]

I was alive to experience it, you were not, so you have no concept of the matter at hand, expect making yourself look foolish. that means nothing, quit coping out.

I admire all the work the Clinton's have done on behalf of the poor and minorities in this country, is that so bad?
misreading on purpose, huh? that's called a strawman. still a strawman if it was by accident btw

by your logic you clinton should have been a failure.

[JJLink]

that means nothing, quit coping out.


misreading on purpose, huh? that's called a strawman. still a strawman if it was by accident btw

by your logic you clinton should have been a failure.


:rolleyes:

[schiggy]

i'm voting for heith ledger.
i dont trust any of the actual canidates :)

edit: untill hillary droped out anyway

[JJLink]

Good Man!!!

[schiggy]

thank u sir!

[okay]

every time somebody posts a rebuttal to one of your posts, JJLink, you dodge replying by firing another asinine theory based in your own stool down the hatch, so don't come around here telling people to quit the 'holier than thou' attitude when you wont back up any of your claims with a grain of credibility or reason.

[JJLink]

sorry oh great master of all, next time I will provides, links, proof, and full summaries of my opinions. Is that acceptable?
oh and btw , if you haven't noticed, all the rebuttals were troll rebuttals designed to provoke arguments. I will not answer any of those. got it...good.

[Anglachel]

no they werent

jay why havent you died of a heart attack yet please

go eat more mcdonalds and make the world a nicer place

[ringworm]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKXNwPfMaRQ



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRppPzrb8XI&feature=related

[JJLink]

shut up fuk for brains. I'll out live your ugly mug for sure...
This is a political forum so stoop trolling or I will report you and have you banned.

[okay]

sorry oh great master of all, next time I will provides, links, proof, and full summaries of my opinions. Is that acceptable?
oh and btw , if you haven't noticed, all the rebuttals were troll rebuttals designed to provoke arguments. I will not answer any of those. got it...good.

so you think you're exempt from having to back up your claims? ironic how you seem to think that i have this mindset.
no, absolutely not, actually they have been some of the most lucid, clear, and logical replies that i have seen on here in a while.

[Anglachel]

shut up fuk for brains. I'll out live your ugly mug for sure...
This is a political forum so stoop trolling or I will report you and have you banned.
no you wont

mccain is a bad choice and you suck at politics and need to gtfo or at least lurk more

[JJLink]

I totally agree with you, I was wrong, now can you forgive me and we can move on?

I will still vote for McCain, because I feel Obama is a worse choice, so do millions of others.

[guitrguy]

sorry oh great master of all, next time I will provides, links, proof, and full summaries of my opinions. Is that acceptable?
oh and btw , if you haven't noticed, all the rebuttals were troll rebuttals designed to provoke arguments. I will not answer any of those. got it...good.

the point of the forum is argument

I will still vote for McCain, because I feel Obama is a worse choice, so do millions of others.
thank you captain obvious

[bastard]

I am voting for Eliminator

[ringworm]

I will still vote for McCain, because I feel Obama is a worse choice, so do millions of other people who arent paying attention.
fixed

[schiggy]

no you wont

mccain is a bad choice and you suck at politics and need to gtfo or at least lurk more
mccain is a very bad choice.
i'm not voting this year though.

[okay]

aarararhghghghgh why?

[schiggy]

i dont trust either of them. i just figured if i dont like either of them, then why vote. at least if i dont vote then i wont be responsible for anything...just my theory but elections are coming up. i liked obama untill hillary droped out but lately im begining to understand why. something might change my mind, i just dont know yet.

[808]

Vote to keep McCain out.

[schiggy]

^thats what i've been thinking lately. just alot on my mind i guess.

[JJLink]

so when Obama turns the USA into a socialist country and a Marxist regime, you will be ok with that?

[guitrguy]

so when Obama turns the USA into a socialist country and a Marxist regime, you will be ok with that?

you don't study politics

[okay]

<---- democratic socialist, so yes.
but he's too moderate to do that, so dont start quivering in your pennyloafers quite yet

[808]

Socialism is a joke.

[okay]

that comment wasn't needed, asshole

[schiggy]

see, i just dont know yet...

[okay]

i would say, if you dont want to see this country ruined by mccain, give obama some support

[schiggy]

true. alright i'm convinced.

[UmphreysHead]

mccain is a very bad choice.
i'm not voting this year though.
Move to Canada you ****.

[schiggy]

i like it better here.

[schiggy]

i just dont like mccain.

[okay]

i dont blame you

[UmphreysHead]

i just dont like mccain.
Or Obama, one of which will be partially controlling your freedoms.

[FIGHTCRIMEALLTHETIME]

im from tx so my vote doesnt count but i may vote anyway for barack obama

edit btw jay link no offense but if you were going to vote for hilary and now you are voting for mccain thats about the stupidest thing ever sry

[GUTS]

Both caniddates are horrid. bottome line. your better off voting for your dog [avatar of poster above me] or your genitalia. **** the president, start believing that you can change the country and maybe one day you will be president.

[Iscariot]

wow how inspirational

don't vote but somehow make things change the way you want them to

how did you come to this highly logical conclusion

[siva_chair]

Guys vote for Dan Quayle that guy was hilarious. We need more of his awesome quotes.

[Crapdragoon]

heh, too bad MAD will happen well before 2012

[McP3000]

i would but lotr sucks

actually i wouldn't

but lotr still sucks
okay, im sorry

but no ****ing way dude

no ****ing way

[Knifeboy]

I was actually expecting that post to throw the thread into a lotr debate

i'm a shitty troll

[siva_chair]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/af/Cave_troll.jpg

[Mister_Che]

I was wondering how this thread got so long.

Then I saw Jays posts.

[DBoons Ghost]

He has to be a gimmick. At this point I refuse to believe he is anything but a gimmick.

[gregulus]

I was actually expecting that post to throw the thread into a lotr debate

i'm a shitty troll
I thought about commenting, but I decided not to.

[siva_chair]

You just did.

[stevensonmat2]

Whats with all the pressure for people to vote? If they don't like either candidate leave them alone. I know I won't be voting.

[siva_chair]

Or vote for Dan Quayle.

[stevensonmat2]

Haha, maybe if voting wasn't such a pain in the *** I would. I think my gf is still voting for Ron Paul just for kicks.

[DBoons Ghost]

Haha, maybe if voting wasn't such a pain in the *** I would. I think my gf is still voting for Ron Paul just for kicks.


That's awful. Tell your gf thanks for ruining the country. It's nice to know people would toss their vote down the toilet "just for kicks".

I'm glad she values her future. Life must be just for kicks!

Nothing personal just spewing.

Sorry. :upset:

Seriously though that's absurd.

[siva_chair]

It's nice to know that people would toss their vote down the toliet by voting for someone who will obviously not win in their state.

And voting for Paul is making a personal statement every bit as much as voting for either of the two frontrunners so I don't think it is absurd at all.

[Knifeboy]

And voting for Paul is making a personal statement every bit as much as voting for either of the two frontrunners so I don't think it is absurd at all.



.. Unless you do it -just- for kicks. Then it's a waste of time

[DBoons Ghost]

It's nice to know that people would toss their vote down the toliet by voting for someone who will obviously not win in their state.

And voting for Paul is making a personal statement every bit as much as voting for either of the two frontrunners so I don't think it is absurd at all.

Is that first comment directed to me?

Anyone who is of age to vote yet thinks making a personal statement is more important then electing the right one of the two parties historically who have ever won an election should be thrown the **** out of this country for their stupidity.

I like a choice too. I would like to think an independant would win. They won't. Ever. Personal statements are for morons who think anyone actually cares about personal statements.

This election and every one like it is not personal. Everyone's affected by your bad decision.

[siva_chair]

Throwing your vote away on someone who is not going to win the majority in your state even if they are a frontrunner is every bit as wasteful. It counts for nothing.

[okay]

Whats with all the pressure for people to vote? If they don't like either candidate leave them alone. I know I won't be voting.

i think people are pressuring those that say they're not going to vote because they really dont want to see Obama lose; its kind of depressing to see possible support just be apathetic and ****.

[DBoons Ghost]

i think people are pressuring those that say they're not going to vote because they really dont want to see Obama lose; its kind of depressing to see possible support just be apathetic and ****.


I don't care if Obama wins so long as McCain doesn't.

[stevensonmat2]

I have to disagree with you boon(about previous posts). She is voting for Paul because she doesn't trust either of the two front runners, and because of that has no reason to vote for either of them. She is a big Ron Paul supporter, and even though he obviously won't win she would still rather show support for a cause she believes in than choosing the lesser of two evils.


Edit: and I didn't really mean "just for kicks". I meant it in that she knows he won't win,, but shes voting for him anyway because he's the person she supports.

[okay]

That makes sense. I tend to look at it more immediately and pragmatically: I really don't want McCain to win, and the only other candidate with the good possibility of beating him is Obama, so I gotta throw my vote to Obama, just because I don't want to see this country run into the ground by McCain.

[stevensonmat2]

I don't like McCain either, but I feel like Obama is full of ****, and he openly supports a lot of things I'm really against. So I have two guys I don't trust and who support things I hate. Lose lose for me either way.

[Jude]

I don't care if Obama wins so long as McCain doesn't.

This

I'm not pro Obama in particular (I just like the idea of a black president) but McCain/Palin is Satan so my choice is made up

[stevensonmat2]

I'm sorry, but the whole "I like the idea of a black president" makes me sick. How racist can you be?

[DBoons Ghost]

I have to disagree with you boon(about previous posts). She is voting for Paul because she doesn't trust either of the two front runners, and because of that has no reason to vote for either of them. She is a big Ron Paul supporter, and even though he obviously won't win she would still rather show support for a cause she believes in than choosing the lesser of two evils.


Edit: and I didn't really mean "just for kicks". I meant it in that she knows he won't win,, but shes voting for him anyway because he's the person she supports.

Yeah I guess you know your own lady better then my assumption based on a statement made for kicks.

I'm just really nutty and truly frightened about this election.

[okay]

It is pretty frightening, I'm not sure how I would react if McCain wins. So far I think I might just run into the street screaming and then buy an airplane ticket to Stockholm, but you can never know.

[DBoons Ghost]

I can't even convince my wife to not vote for McCain. She is voting for McCain because her father is a die hard republican and her father tells her how to vote and she does whatever he tells her to do.

It makes me crazy.

[DBoons Ghost]

It is pretty frightening, I'm not sure how I would react if McCain wins.

Well, if McCain wins it helps my pockets but hurts everyone elses.

It's time we voted with the best interests of everyone in mind as opposed to being selfish pricks.

I am honestly a registered republican but this is not what I signed up for. I was a slefish prick most of my legal to vote life but I've had enough. I am tired of everyone having to struggle which brings down the overall quality of lives which in turn effects my life indirectly but it does.

People need to wake the **** up.

[pppoe]

Beat him up.

[DBoons Ghost]

Beat him up.

No he's frail and he is also a Supreme Court Justice and either I kill him or divorce his daugther and neither is really an option. I aint going to jail for kicking the crap out of a 70 year old man who I truly love as a father figure and an inspiration to my life and the outcome of it. He's been there for me always. It's a tough thing.

[okay]

Well, if McCain wins it helps my pockets but hurts everyone elses.

It's time we voted with the best interests of everyone in mind as opposed to being selfish pricks.

I am honestly a registered republican but this is not what I signed up for. I was a slefish prick most of my legal to vote life but I've had enough. I am tired of everyone having to struggle which brings down the overall quality of lives which in turn effects my life indirectly but it does.

People need to wake the **** up.

:D I'm glad you yourself have given into empathy! :thumb:

[Light Fantastic]

No he's frail and he is also a Supreme Court Justice and either I kill him or divorce his daugther and neither is really an option. I aint going to jail for kicking the crap out of a 70 year old man who I truly love as a father figure and an inspiration to my life and the outcome of it. He's been there for me always. It's a tough thing.

beat up mccain then

[okay]

lets get a posse together. im in

[DBoons Ghost]

beat up mccain then

I have no access to him. Can you hax me up a solution without the FBI or Jay Link finding out?

[stevensonmat2]

Wake up? To what? There has always been poverty. People are not created equally, and sucky though it is everyone has to live in their place. I have to say I'm totally unsympathetic to anyone's plight financially or otherwise. Does that make me a jerk? No.

[okay]

we can get him in the playground after school

[Knifeboy]

Does that make me a jerk?



It does.. Kinda

[okay]

Wake up? To what? There has always been poverty. People are not created equally, and sucky though it is everyone has to live in their place. I have to say I'm totally unsympathetic to anyone's plight financially or otherwise. Does that make me a jerk? No.

This is textbook jerk, man. People are not born into the same circumstances, true, but we have the ability to help them reach a better standard of living, so its a really dick copout to say that they 'have to live in their place.'
If you were born into a poor family, would you reject any sort of help? I don't think so. Remember, we're all human beings.

[DBoons Ghost]

Wake up? To what? There has always been poverty. People are not created equally, and sucky though it is everyone has to live in their place. I have to say I'm totally unsympathetic to anyone's plight financially or otherwise. Does that make me a jerk? No.


No judgement from me dude! I respect people's right to do whatever they please with no judgement or criticism.

I kinda agree with you and have said as much for many years on these forums.

But my life is set and no political party will ever change that so it matters not to me where my tax dollars go so long as they don't take more then they already do.

It's not the same for everyone. Maybe once you're all set you will have a change of heart, not that either is better or worse. It's your choice. No one can take that from you regardless of which party is in charge.

[pppoe]

stevensonmat2, you are a ****.

[stevensonmat2]

This is textbook jerk, man. People are not born into the same circumstances, true, but we have the ability to help them reach a better standard of living, so its a really dick copout to say that they 'have to live in their place.'
If you were born into a poor family, would you reject any sort of help? I don't think so. Remember, we're all human beings.

Are you saying I have some sort of responsibility to other people because we are humans?

[okay]

Yes, how can you sit by as so many people suffer through substandard conditions and not wonder if there are ways that they can be helped?

[stevensonmat2]

Because I'm wondering how I can improve my lot in life.

[okay]

It's not hard to manage the two desires, a lot of people do it. Plus, if you help someone else improve their lot in life, they might even help you with yours.

[DBoons Ghost]

Guys learn to respect the choices even if they don't agree with yours.

I respect stevensonmat2 and his honesty and in a way he's correct. People need to learn how to help themselves before asking for a handout. I dunno. I think it's important to try both angles so this is why I am hoping with this upcoming election we give the democrats a chance to try their socialist ways upon the masses. If they fail, well, they had their chance and their 4 years and them I'm back to being a selfish prick.

[okay]

Well I'm not talking about handouts at all. A lot of people are just born into situations where so many outside constraints and stresses and previous dynamics prevent them from bettering themselves so imo its pretty crazy to not try to help them out.

[pppoe]

I think people should learn how to help themselves, too, but some people are at such a disadvantage that they need a little push to get them going. To look at these people who were born into poverty and say "oh well" is ****ed up.