Jazz is better than any other kind of music

[HaVIC5]

http://www.soundclick.com/thearmedpawn

"Flow My Tears"

Doing the reason thing plus bass geeter. Nothin says 15th century lute music like cowbell and salsa played on the harpsichord. No, this is not a cover of Stu Hamm.

[Phalanx]

that's some tight *** blue movie groovin' right there.

You should put it to some nice straight softcore blue movie, then upload it to redtube :thumb:

[Akira]

Yeah, that's too Cinemax for words.

[jake_kinney]

That right there deserves a high five of sorts, at least in my opinion.

[Raayl]

i hate porno music. sorry.

porn should never have music. ever.

[burtonbassist_101]

porn should never have music. ever.

this.

but i really enjoyed the song, man. superb job. :thumb:

[DaveMustaine12]

i hate porno music. sorry.

porn should never have music. ever.

lol.

The song was pretty good though.

[Efrim]

i hate porno music. sorry.

porn should never have music. ever.

idiot.
white men have no rhythm, so how else are they supposed to masterbate effectively?

[Raayl]

dude don't get me wrong the song was enjoyable

i just don't think music that isn't tortured screaming has any place in porn

[Efrim]

not true, saxophone is always an important feature

[Raayl]

not true, saxophone is always an important feature

no. its so irritating - music always makes it harder for me to finish.

[jake_kinney]

That's rough.

[Duncster]

The shitty sounding drums really hurt the recording. Nothing you can do there of course. Sounded painfully bad (at least for you) when the cowbell came in. Bass solo was nice. Sick keyboard solo. Recording was decent overall.
Thats my opinnion anyway. Which is 100% correct. Keep tryin big guy :thumb:

[HaVIC5]

You dare question the cowbell??!

[Gopherbassist]

He doesn't understand Christopher Walken's need for cowbell, or that 90% of the Earth's population share it.

[jordan-z]

your a badass

[Duncster]

You dare question the cowbell??!

Hey I take enough heat for being anti-cowbell in this country everyday as it is. I have to drink out of a separate anti-cowbell water fountain at college while other kids spit on me. I don't need it on the internet too.

[HaVIC5]

your a badass

What about my a badass? Has my a badass offended you?

[Phalanx]

What about my a badass? Has my a badass offended you?

That's the worse case of grammar - Nazism i've ever seen.

[jordan-z]

What about my a badass? Has my a badass offended you?

/attempt to be funny...failed

your no longer a badass

[HaVIC5]

That's the worse case of grammar - Nazism i've ever seen.

*worst case of grammar-Nazism.

[Phalanx]

*worst case of grammar-Nazism.

that's the best case of grammar - nazism

[HaVIC5]

Thank you. Back to sucking my dick over the song now.

[Raayl]

Thank you. Back to sucking my dick over the song now.

i'm not swallowing

[HaVIC5]

Thats OK, getting cum in your eye is funnier.

[Joelbassman]

It's amazing how your knowledge of music comes through so clearly in your songs.

I loved it.

You should check out my new song, it's bull poop compared to yours, but your opinion is one of the more respected these days.

[Raayl]

It's amazing how your knowledge of music comes through so clearly in your songs.

I loved it.

You should check out my new song, it's bull poop compared to yours, but your opinion is one of the more respected these days.

hahahahahahaha. wrong post is WRONG.

[Raayl]

Thats OK, getting cum in your eye is funnier.

lmao spoken as if any lips have ever even been within 12 miles of what terrible secrets you keep locked away behind your jeans

tell me

does your member have a sweet 12 year old bowl haircut too?

[Joelbassman]

hahahahahahaha. wrong post is WRONG.

I'm sorry but...:confused:

[Raayl]

I'm sorry but...:confused:

HaVIC's opinion respected? :lol:

surely you jest

[jordan-z]

lmao spoken as if any lips have ever even been within 12 miles of what terrible secrets you keep locked away behind your jeans

tell me

does your member have a sweet 12 year old bowl haircut too?

lol'd

[Joelbassman]

Haha well...at least by myself anyway.

Maybe I should've taken out the 'these days' and replaced it with 'used to be'.

[Raayl]

Haha well...at least by myself anyway.

Maybe I should've taken out the 'these days' and replaced it with 'used to be'.

yeah man let's get all nostalgic and talk about how kids just aren't the same anymore and ipods are ruining music and american pop culture sucks and bring back led zeppelin man yeah the good ol' days

shut the **** up

[Joelbassman]

Dude, chill the **** out.

You just hated the old days of the bass forum because you were either banned or generally hated on.

[Raayl]

Dude, chill the **** out.

You just hated the old days of the bass forum because you were either banned or generally hated on.

haha, hardly. i was banned all the time because i pissed off gav. wintermute banned me once because i talked about "adult content" with naut, and from then on banned me cause he didn't like the way i approached "critique." (i made fun of his compositions once.) my my, how original.

not to mention, hated on? LOL. there was a campaign where people made avatars to make me a supermod. if anything i'm hated on NOW more than then.

and i maintain the same core group of friends and peers from this site as I did then. in fact, most of them still post here. but nice try.

[Joelbassman]

haha, hardly. i was banned all the time because i pissed off gav. wintermute banned me once because i talked about "adult content" with naut, and from then on banned me cause he didn't like the way i approached "critique." (i made fun of his compositions once.) my my, how logical.

not to mention, hated on? LOL. there was a bandwagon where people made avatars to make me a supermod. if anything i'm hated on NOW more than then. < That I'd have to agree with.

and i maintain the same core group of friends and peers from this site as I did then. in fact, most of them still post here. but nice try.
Fixed.

[Raayl]

Fixed.

i know dude, i know. it's okay though, we'll get through it

[HaVIC5]

It's cool. I've made way more money playing music than sade has. Therefore, my opinion is more valid.

[Joelbassman]

:lol:

[EADGC]

Have some random thoughts



It was decent until the cowbell came in and ruined everything

then the latin part oh my god what were you thinking

I'm not big on the mix, specifically I think the bass is way too loud. I like the groove though.

Don't think you have to do a bass solo just because you're a bass player.

As much as I love the harpsichord as an instrument, pretty out of place.

Ending is really, really weak.

In short, pretty enjoyable but needs retooling. This has potential but it's the cheesy stuff that just screams "music major theory nerd douche". Specifically the strange instrumentation. And I mean I'm a music major theory nerd douche too... but still, I think you have to watch for that.


























And delete all of that bassnerd **** off your soundclick already.

[HaVIC5]

Cheesy stuff is what makes music fun. And profitable. Don't forget that.

[Joelbassman]

HaVIC; capitalist musician extraordinare :P

[EADGC]

Cheesy stuff is what makes music fun. And profitable. Don't forget that.


I would agree if you didn't totally overdo it.

[Raayl]

Cheesy stuff is what makes music fun. And profitable. Don't forget that.

hahaha shut the **** up. just like quatre - likes to talk up your professionalism when you're no different than anybody else here. a douche bag.

[HaVIC5]

Yeah, with money.

[Raayl]

Yeah, with money.

yeah umm no. sorry not buying.

[HaVIC5]

You don't have to. I've made way more money playing stuffy lounge jazz and cheesey *** funk music with cowbell than you have, or for that matter, most if not all of the people on this forum. Sure, I'm a douchebag with pathetic taste in music that's archaic and has no relavance...but I make money doing it, and it's fun. What the **** else is there to music? "High art", "creative expression"? Please, they're only worth a damn if you're making money and enjoying it.

[:amaze:]

there's nothing wrong with playing shitty music and getting paid for it and having fun with it. being an arrogant asshat about it, though...




:amaze:

[EADGC]

You don't have to. I've made way more money playing stuffy lounge jazz and cheesey *** funk music with cowbell than you have, or for that matter, most if not all of the people on this forum.


I don't doubt that you have, but that doesn't really justify that


[You're] a douchebag with pathetic taste in music that's archaic and has no relavance



What the **** else is there to music? "High art", "creative expression"? Please, they're only worth a damn if you're making money and enjoying it.

I can enjoy making music even if I don't make a dime off it. I've made tons of music that I've never shown to anyone and likely never will, and I've never charged anyone a cent for any of my recordings. Not that I'm opposed to making money off your music (and I have), but if it was just a job to me I wouldn't do it.

[Raayl]

You don't have to. I've made way more money playing stuffy lounge jazz and cheesey *** funk music with cowbell than you have, or for that matter, most if not all of the people on this forum. Sure, I'm a douchebag with pathetic taste in music that's archaic and has no relavance...but I make money doing it, and it's fun. What the **** else is there to music? "High art", "creative expression"? Please, they're only worth a damn if you're making money and enjoying it.

1) you have no idea how much money i make, so please stop pulling **** out of your ***.

2) remember how everybody here made fun of your crappy song and you cried and left for talkbass? i do. and boy oh boy does it bring me some LoLz. ****in' baby.

3) creative expression is worth everything in the world to me and i give away all my solo material for free. sorry we're not all idiotic music school elitists with 100,000 dollar federal loans to pay off cause Berklee taught us how to score a porno.

[Left Shoe]

arguing doesnt bring the lawlz
on a lawlzier note

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REQRHdMRimw

[EADGC]

1) you have no idea how much money i make, so please stop pulling **** out of your ***.

2) remember how everybody here made fun of your crappy song and you cried and left for talkbass? i do. and boy oh boy does it bring me some LoLz. ****in' baby.

3) creative expression is worth everything in the world to me and i give away all my solo material for free. sorry we're not all idiotic music school elitists with 100,000 dollar federal loans to pay off cause Berklee taught us how to score a porno.

pure.

win.

[GUTS]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/irishslappop/bigcock.jpg

[peeted]

why cant everyone just play nice? :( i thought it was alright.

[chronopops]

I just wish you wouldn't ****ing play a ^7 in the melody everytime the V chord comes around.

[Tryxx]

haha, hardly. i was banned all the time because i pissed off gav. wintermute banned me once because i talked about "adult content" with naut, and from then on banned me cause he didn't like the way i approached "critique." (i made fun of his compositions once.) my my, how original.

not to mention, hated on? LOL. there was a campaign where people made avatars to make me a supermod. if anything i'm hated on NOW more than then.

and i maintain the same core group of friends and peers from this site as I did then. in fact, most of them still post here. but nice try.

I banned you a lot. It was fun at the time, then got boring. We had fun. :chug:

First part of the song reminded me too much of Chrono Trigger, so I felt dissapointed after.

[HaVIC5]

1) you have no idea how much money i make, so please stop pulling **** out of your ***.

2) remember how everybody here made fun of your crappy song and you cried and left for talkbass? i do. and boy oh boy does it bring me some LoLz. ****in' baby.

3) creative expression is worth everything in the world to me and i give away all my solo material for free. sorry we're not all idiotic music school elitists with 100,000 dollar federal loans to pay off cause Berklee taught us how to score a porno.

Lol @ creative expression. You call me the elitist.

[Raayl]

Lol @ creative expression. You call me the elitist.

go cry to talkbass about it, asshole.

[Raayl]

PS, i didn't call you an elitist. you did.

when you said: "I'm better than, and make more money than everybody on this forum."

google it, ****wad.

[fingers mccoy]

Lol @ creative expression. You call me the elitist.

stop lolling at creative expression you have this nerdy disdain for terms that you consider flowery and that's fine but it's just stupid if you think creative expression is meaningless

[BenJammin]

First part of the song reminded me too much of Chrono Trigger, so I felt dissapointed after.

Dear god, don't say things like that.

Yasunori Mitsuda > Havic, any day, time, place.

[Phalanx]

Dear god, don't say things like that.

Yasunori Mitsuda > Havic, any day, time, place.

I thought I was the only one who thought Yasunori Mitsuda was greater than God.

[HaVIC5]

stop lolling at creative expression you have this nerdy disdain for terms that you consider flowery and that's fine but it's just stupid if you think creative expression is meaningless

Nerdy disdain for terms I consider flowery? Lol.

PS, i didn't call you an elitist. you did.

when you said: "I'm better than, and make more money than everybody on this forum."

google it, ****wad.

That's right, it was me who called me a musical school elitist with 100,000 dollars in loans. Sorry you're getting so worked up about me ridiculing artistic expression, I didn't know it touched a nerve. Are you going to be OK?

[Raayl]

Nerdy disdain for terms I consider flowery? Lol.



That's right, it was me who called me a musical school elitist with 100,000 dollars in loans. Sorry you're getting so worked up about me ridiculing artistic expression, I didn't know it touched a nerve. Are you going to be OK?

LOL nah dude, you're just a raging dumbass. people who don't even post anymore came back to tell you that. take the hint, bowlcut boy.

[:amaze:]

hey guys, watch out! You just might have your balls rocked off by HaVIC's sheer tightness.


:rolleyes:




:amaze:

[HaVIC5]

LOL nah dude, you're just a raging dumbass. people who don't even post anymore came back to tell you that. take the hint, bowlcut boy.

Lol, I know, isn't it awesome? I might just come back here, that'd be fun.

[Raayl]

tryxx

would you ever ban me while wearing my avatar

[BenJammin]

I thought I was the only one who thought Yasunori Mitsuda was greater than God.

Yasunori is second only to Nobuo Uematsu, insofar as I am concerned.

[fingers mccoy]

:lol: too nerdy for words

[EADGC]

Adam get over yourself.

So you know that music has a business side and you know what's in a Bm7b5(b9). Doesn't change the fact that to this day you have failed to produce a single listenable song.

[Phalanx]

Yasunori is second only to Nobuo Uematsu, insofar as I am concerned.

I'm not sure, I do like Uematsu a lot, but god dang, Chrono Cross' soundtrack is flawless.

[fingers mccoy]

Adam get over yourself.

So you know that music has a business side and you know what's in a Bm7b5(b9). Doesn't change the fact that to this day you have failed to produce a single listenable song.

wtf do you mean listenable

his tune was perfectly listenable

[HaVIC5]

Adam get over yourself.

So you know that music has a business side and you know what's in a Bm7b5(b9). Doesn't change the fact that to this day you have failed to produce a single listenable song.

b9 is an unacceptable tension on a minor 7 b5 in a tonal context. You're more likely to have a natural 9, although it can be quite dissonant if approached incorrectly.

[fingers mccoy]

how helpful

[Raayl]

b9 is an unacceptable tension on a minor 7 b5 in a tonal context. You're more likely to have a natural 9, although it can be quite dissonant if approached incorrectly.

kinda like your music amirite

[fingers mccoy]

it's lol how an inherently dissonant chord can be considered dissonant 'if approached incorrectly'

relearn tonality dude

[Raayl]

yeah or he's just a douche bag with a bowlcut trying to troll, failing, and getting laughed at

[HaVIC5]

it's lol how an inherently dissonant chord can be considered dissonant 'if approached incorrectly'

relearn tonality dude

?

k

[chronopops]

?

k

Half diminished chords are dissonant.

[HaVIC5]

Oh, OK, thanks.

[EADGC]

wtf do you mean listenable

his tune was perfectly listenable

1) Enjoyable to listen to

2) Doesn't make me feel embarrassed for the composer to listen to

3) Not covered in a heavy layer of cheese


That's my criteria, so no, it was not.

[EADGC]

b9 is an unacceptable tension on a minor 7 b5 in a tonal context. You're more likely to have a natural 9, although it can be quite dissonant if approached incorrectly.

You're right. And music theory means pretty much nothing if you can't use it to produce good music.

[fingers mccoy]

You're right. And music theory means pretty much nothing if you can't use it to produce good music.

he's not right actually which is pretty funny

[EADGC]

he's not right actually which is pretty funny


Can you explain why not

and that is pretty funny. Double lose.

[fingers mccoy]

well he says 'in a tonal context' but then says 'you're more likely'

which implies you're more likely to see an extended half-diminished chord in a tonal context but you aren't

altho in jazz of course it would often be considered a modal derivation of the melodic minor scale, in which case a natural 9 would be correct

whatsmore, if a half-diminished chord is 'approached incorrectly' (whatever that means) it makes no difference as to its dissonance, because 'in a tonal context' it is dissonant by nature or intention, whether it be predominant, dominant or (more rarely) diminished in function.

[Duncster]

1) Enjoyable to listen to

2) Doesn't make me feel embarrassed for the composer to listen to

3) Not covered in a heavy layer of cheese


That's my criteria, so no, it was not.

You seem pretty confident about this. Pretty funny considering the material you've put out. (and also considering the fact that your diggin' hypnotize, lol).

Sade manipulated this thread quite brilliantly. Something hes done consistently for a long time. I don't think havic was too out of line with what he wrote. What he said about creative expression was pretty ****ing stupid. I just think hes taking way to much heat for one stupid comment. Of course.... who cares? Noone is who. I just feel it should be said.

ftr, I don't have a problem with the stuff I've heard from you EADGC but, again, I just felt it had to be said because you probably haven't matched havic in any of your compositions.
Do you have to have as much skill or credibility to rip apart his music? No. But that just makes you an asshole.

[:amaze:]

i'm pretty sure that havic has said more stupid comments than just that.




:amaze:

[Raayl]

You seem pretty confident about this. Pretty funny considering the material you've put out. (and also considering the fact that your diggin' hypnotize, lol).

Sade manipulated this thread quite brilliantly. Something hes done consistently for a long time. I don't think havic was too out of line with what he wrote. What he said about creative expression was pretty ****ing stupid. I just think hes taking way to much heat for one stupid comment. Of course.... who cares? Noone is who. I just feel it should be said.

ftr, I don't have a problem with the stuff I've heard from you EADGC but, again, I just felt it had to be said because you probably haven't matched havic in any of your compositions.
Do you have to have as much skill or credibility to rip apart his music? No. But that just makes you an asshole.lol he's the asshole? do you have eyes? and more importantly, do they have the ability to read? i suggest re-reading this thread and then re-evaluating your position there buddy.

havic gets pissed and starts this idiotic fail-troll persona everytime somebody has a problem with his music or ideas. the last time this happened he publically renounced MX because people "didnt understand his greatness" and left screaming and crying to talkbass where he posted the exact same thread with different results.

EDIT: also, i said the song was fine. it wasn't about that, but of course...mr. big shot better than all of us made it so.

[Joelbassman]

You seem pretty confident about this. Pretty funny considering the material you've put out. (and also considering the fact that your diggin' hypnotize, lol).

Sade manipulated this thread quite brilliantly. Something hes done consistently for a long time. I don't think havic was too out of line with what he wrote. What he said about creative expression was pretty ****ing stupid. I just think hes taking way to much heat for one stupid comment. Of course.... who cares? Noone is who. I just feel it should be said.

ftr, I don't have a problem with the stuff I've heard from you EADGC but, again, I just felt it had to be said because you probably haven't matched havic in any of your compositions.
Do you have to have as much skill or credibility to rip apart his music? No. But that just makes you an asshole.
What this guy said.


Oh and I'd just like to point this out:

In short, pretty enjoyable but needs retooling. This has potential but it's the cheesy stuff that just screams "music major theory nerd douche". Specifically the strange instrumentation. And I mean I'm a music major theory nerd douche too... but still, I think you have to watch for that.
- EADGC, earlier on in the thread.

Not that I have beef, just wanting to know what change your opinion from pretty enjoyable to not making the first criterion?

1) Enjoyable to listen to

2) Doesn't make me feel embarrassed for the composer to listen to

3) Not covered in a heavy layer of cheese


That's my criteria, so no, it was not.


:confused:

[Joelbassman]

lol he's the asshole? do you have eyes? and more importantly, do they have the ability to read? i suggest re-reading this thread and then re-evaluating your position there buddy.

havic gets pissed and starts this idiotic fail-troll persona everytime somebody has a problem with his music or ideas. the last time this happened he publically renounced MX because people "didnt understand his greatness" and left screaming and crying to talkbass where he posted the exact same thread with different results.

EDIT: also, i said the song was fine. it wasn't about that, but of course...mr. big shot better than all of us made it so.
I don't think it's simply because anyone has a problem with his music, it's just the way people go about expressing their dislike for it.

Whereas at Talkbass, if they don't like it, they give advice on how to fix it.

EDIT:
Originally Posted by HaVIC5
Cheesy stuff is what makes music fun. And profitable. Don't forget that.

hahaha shut the **** up. just like quatre - likes to talk up your professionalism when you're no different than anybody else here. a douche bag
Sorry, but you provoked him. So don't play innocent.

[Raayl]

I don't think it's simply because anyone has a problem with his music, it's just the way people go about expressing their dislike for it.

Whereas at Talkbass, if they don't like it, they give advice on how to fix it.

lets get this straight, guy - i don't care if i'm being helpful or not. and you know what? neither does havic.

you really think established and musically confident people care what a bunch of dumb kids on the internet think of their music critically? uhh no sorry. maybe you care, cause you know...you suck, but people like havic don't. they want to propagate their music, not send it in for critique.

its why bassaddict never listens to advice people give and keeps doing his own thing. havic isn't either. its either you like it and praise him or you don't and you troll him. welcome to the internet. please leave your serious shoes at the door.

[Joelbassman]

lets get this straight, guy - i don't care if i'm being helpful or not. and you know what? neither does havic.

you really think established and musically confident people care what a bunch of dumb kids on the internet think of their music critically? uhh no sorry. maybe you care, cause you know...you suck, but people like havic don't. they want to propagate their music, not send it in for critique.

its why bassaddict never listens to advice people give and keeps doing his own thing. havic isn't either. its either you like it and praise him or you don't and you troll him. welcome to the internet. please leave your serious shoes at the door.
Soooooo if you're so musically confident and established, why would you post your music here? You're always asking people to critique your ****, given, you usually ask 'adults' not dumb kids, but you want peoples opinions nonetheless. Oh and if you were established, there would be no need to 'propagate' music on a shitty *** forum.

And maybe I do suck, and maybe I'm not musically confident, but do you think asking people about my music to help is going to hurt?

[Left Shoe]

well he says 'in a tonal context' but then says 'you're more likely'

which implies you're more likely to see an extended half-diminished chord in a tonal context but you aren't

altho in jazz of course it would often be considered a modal derivation of the melodic minor scale, in which case a natural 9 would be correct

whatsmore, if a half-diminished chord is 'approached incorrectly' (whatever that means) it makes no difference as to its dissonance, because 'in a tonal context' it is dissonant by nature or intention, whether it be predominant, dominant or (more rarely) diminished in function.

most jazz is not atonal, thus it is tonal, the more correct word would of course have been 'functional harmony'.

also, props to joelbassman for calling out eadgc, it was lolz, but you shouldve stopped while you were ahead.

[Joelbassman]

most jazz is not atonal, thus it is tonal, the more correct word would of course have been 'functional harmony'.

also, props to joelbassman for calling out eadgc, it was lolz, but you shouldve stopped while you were ahead.
Or the Big bad Sade will get me?

[Raayl]

Soooooo if you're so musically confident and established, why would you post your music here? You're always asking people to critique your ****, given, you usually ask 'adults' not dumb kids, but you want peoples opinions nonetheless. Oh and if you were established, there would be no need to 'propagate' music on a poopty *** forum.

And maybe I do suck, and maybe I'm not musically confident, but do you think asking people about my music to help is going to hurt?

yeah just stop talking.

[Joelbassman]

Is that how all our discussions are going to end buddy?

[Duncster]

lol he's the asshole? do you have eyes? and more importantly, do they have the ability to read? i suggest re-reading this thread and then re-evaluating your position there buddy.

havic gets pissed and starts this idiotic fail-troll persona everytime somebody has a problem with his music or ideas. the last time this happened he publically renounced MX because people "didnt understand his greatness" and left screaming and crying to talkbass where he posted the exact same thread with different results.

EDIT: also, i said the song was fine. it wasn't about that, but of course...mr. big shot better than all of us made it so.

Im sure if I had seen this old thread where havic was a little bitch my position would be different.
I don't think EADGC is an asshole, but his actions in this thread scream asshole. Just calling him on it because I'm pretty sure he was only saying what he said because of personal **** about havic and you(rayyl), and not about what he thought about the actual music.

The way I saw it havic was joking around and you kept provoking him until he said some stupid stuff. Then everyone started ganging up on him with false statements. Theres a great chance your right about him, I just don't see it considering previous encounters with him in the past. He always been pretty cool and down to earth as far as I've seen. Not to mention brilliant with the bass guitar. I was quite shocked when I saw that rediculous statement he wrote about creative expression or w/e.

[Joelbassman]

Just calling him on it because I'm pretty sure he was only saying what he said because of personal **** about havic and you(rayyl), and not about what he thought about the actual music.

You're right. He changed his opinion half way through the thread.

[Raayl]

nah i dont care. he was a douche back then and he's a douche now. lol i dont know what you guys are trying to do...convince me that i'm wrong about him and he's a nice and awesome guy?

yeah uhh no stfu.

[BenJammin]

I'm not sure, I do like Uematsu a lot, but god dang, Chrono Cross' soundtrack is flawless.

Absolutely. Chrono Cross has a stunning soundtrack, as does Chrono Trigger, and Xenogears also sounds good, from what I've heard.

But Uematsu has FFIV, VI, and VII in its favor, which are 3 absolutely killer soundtracks, the latter two in particular.

[Joelbassman]

^8 and 12 are also awesome.

7 owns almost completely because of One Winged Angel.

FF Fanboyism > anyother Fanboyism.

[HaVIC5]

Yeah, sade's pretty on the money. Thanks, buddy.

well he says 'in a tonal context' but then says 'you're more likely'

which implies you're more likely to see an extended half-diminished chord in a tonal context but you aren't

altho in jazz of course it would often be considered a modal derivation of the melodic minor scale, in which case a natural 9 would be correct

whatsmore, if a half-diminished chord is 'approached incorrectly' (whatever that means) it makes no difference as to its dissonance, because 'in a tonal context' it is dissonant by nature or intention, whether it be predominant, dominant or (more rarely) diminished in function.

Chill out, you didn't even read my post right, so don't go all ballistic saying "YOU'RE WRONG YOU'RE WRONG OMG I BEAT YOU AT TEH MUSIC THEORY". Which you didn't. Nobody here can. Don't even try.

You somehow interpreted my post to mean "half-diminished chords aren't dissonant in a tonal context", when in fact I was talking about the tertian extension and melodic pitch of the natural 9th on such a structure. The basic rule of harmonic extensions (9, 11, 13s, whatever) prevent those which are a minor 9th above a chord tone, such as the b9 on a m7(b5), from creating a stable enough harmonic environment for a functional progression. The exception to this is dominant chords (b9 is a minor 9th above 1, b5 is a minor 9th above 3, and b13 is a minor 9th above 5, all of which are common). Half-diminished chords are "dissonant", yes, in that they need a resolution to a dominant, but the minor 9 dissonance is TOO dissonant and unstable for a subdominant function chord.

In my post, if you bothered to actually read it, I was talking about the natural 9th. This isn't a minor 9 above a chord tone, so in theory you could have a minor 7 b5 (9) chord. The problem with this is, is that the natural nine is the MAJOR 3rd of the target tonic, and so you would have a C# on a B-7(b5) in the key of A minor. This can be tonally jarring and thus dissonant if not approached very carefully, because of confusion of major key and minor key harmony. But damn, it can sound hip as **** if you know what you're doing with that note. The only tune written with that note stressed in the melody I can think of right now is the Jobim tune "Angela", which I think can be found in Real Book three if you want to hear how it sounds when used functionally.

On another note, EADGC, you're an idiot. Sade, you're all right, as I've said before.

[fingers mccoy]

seriously stop using the word dissonant wrongly

i read and understood your post, and what i said does not imply the interpretation you have accredited to me

presumptuous, aren't you?

[chronopops]

I can easily beat you at music theory, Havic. Don't make me do it.

[fingers mccoy]

:lol:

i hope uni isn't like this

[HaVIC5]

seriously stop using the word dissonant wrongly

i read and understood your post, and what i said does not imply the interpretation you have accredited to me

presumptuous, aren't you?

No, let me quote here.

b9 is an unacceptable tension on a minor 7 b5 in a tonal context. You're more likely to have a natural 9, although it can be quite dissonant if approached incorrectly.

it's lol how an inherently dissonant chord can be considered dissonant 'if approached incorrectly'

I didn't say the chord wasn't dissonant, I was saying the melodic note would be dissonant. Functional melodic dissonance and functional harmonic dissonance are different. You misinterpreted.

well he says 'in a tonal context' but then says 'you're more likely'

which implies you're more likely to see an extended half-diminished chord in a tonal context but you aren't

More likely than a b9 on a minor 7 b5. Read the post again, you misinterpreted.

whatsmore, if a half-diminished chord is 'approached incorrectly' (whatever that means) it makes no difference as to its dissonance, because 'in a tonal context' it is dissonant by nature or intention, whether it be predominant, dominant or (more rarely) diminished in function.

I didn't reference the chord, I referenced the melodic tone natural 9. You misinterpreted. Three times. Presumptuous? No. you misunderstood.

Dissonance and consonance are relative. You can define dissonance as a tritone in a dominant chord, but then the dominant 7th chord in a blues harmony doesn't sound like it needs to resolve. You could define dissonance as tone clusters and nasty harmonies with lots of minor 9ths in them, but then if you were playing out there **** like free jazz or noise rock or whatever, that would be totally hip, but then a major triad would be extremely jarring and "dissonant" in that sort of way. Relative to a functional tonal center, contemporary definitions of dissonance vary, but in order to maintain functionality, the "minor 9" rule is important. Half-diminished chords are dissonant in that they need resolution, but you can have varying degrees of intervallic or tonal tension based upon how the chords are voiced. It's not like there's a switch that turns dissonance ON or OFF.

[Mr. Pickle]

Guys.





This thread is good.

[HaVIC5]

I can easily beat you at music theory, Havic. Don't make me do it.

Bring it, mother****er.

[chronopops]

Bring it, mother****er.

lol. how do these sort of things work?

[Joelbassman]

lol. how do these sort of things work?
http://www.garywillis.com/pages/lessons/read.html

lol.

[Mr. Pickle]

First you take off each others shirt.














































Then stroke each others peen.

[chronopops]

http://www.garywillis.com/pages/lessons/read.html

lol.

whats sight reading gotta do with theory?

[EADGC]

Chill out, you didn't even read my post right, so don't go all ballistic saying "YOU'RE WRONG YOU'RE WRONG OMG I BEAT YOU AT TEH MUSIC THEORY". Which you didn't. Nobody here can. Don't even try.

On another note, EADGC, you're an idiot. Sade, you're all right, as I've said before.

Grow up. If you can't take criticism stop posting your music.

[EADGC]

You seem pretty confident about this. Pretty funny considering the material you've put out. (and also considering the fact that your diggin' hypnotize, lol).

ftr, I don't have a problem with the stuff I've heard from you EADGC but, again, I just felt it had to be said because you probably haven't matched havic in any of your compositions.
Do you have to have as much skill or credibility to rip apart his music? No. But that just makes you an asshole.

My music has nothing to do with what I think of someone else's.

[Joelbassman]

whats sight reading gotta do with theory?
You wouldn't call sight reading theory? I mean...it is in essence practical. But whenever I think of theory, that usually springs to mind. :confused:

The Red bull sponsor just makes me laugh.

[EADGC]

I don't think EADGC is an asshole, but his actions in this thread scream asshole. Just calling him on it because I'm pretty sure he was only saying what he said because of personal **** about havic and you(rayyl), and not about what he thought about the actual music.


Not true.

[HaVIC5]

Grow up. If you can't take criticism stop posting your music.

:lol:

You think I'm upset because you didn't like the cowbell? Isn't that precious.

[EADGC]

What this guy said.


Oh and I'd just like to point this out:

- EADGC, earlier on in the thread.

Not that I have beef, just wanting to know what change your opinion from pretty enjoyable to not making the first criterion?



:confused:

Sure it was enjoyable, but it was also covered in a layer of cheese. According to my list, that's a no-no.

[EADGC]

Most of the music majors on this website pretty much sum up everything I hate about music school. Chrono and mccoy (?) excepted. That is all.

[fingers mccoy]

no dude

you are talking about chord extension

melodic dissonance only exists by extension - by the chords that the melody implies

i understand that i misinterpreted the 'more likely' part.

once again, you reveal your presumptuousness by making your posts turgid and overwrought. You don't need to explain all this stuff to me. the simple fact is that you implied dissonance would be 'incorrect' in the context of a cadential point, which is wrong.

[HaVIC5]

Most of the music majors on this website pretty much sum up everything I hate about music school. Chrono and mccoy (?) excepted. That is all.

LOL

Shut the **** up and drop out then.

[EADGC]

LOL

Shut the **** up and drop out then.

Let me rephrase.

Most of the music majors on this website pretty much sum up everything I hate about music majors. Chrono and mccoy (?) excepted. That is all.

[chronopops]

You wouldn't call sight reading theory? I mean...it is in essence practical. But whenever I think of theory, that usually springs to mind. :confused:

The Red bull sponsor just makes me laugh.

No, I'd call it sight reading.

Theory has to do with describing and organizing and labeling common trends in music.

[Mr. Pickle]

I agree. The tomato is a vegetable. **** everyone who says it's a fruit.

[Joelbassman]

Sure it was enjoyable, but it was also covered in a layer of cheese. According to my list, that's a no-no.
Yes...BUT. Your hate of cheese vastly increased later in the thread. Which was my point.

[Raayl]

here's a nice music theory: make some.

[HaVIC5]

no dude

you are talking about chord extension

melodic dissonance only exists by extension - by the chords that the melody implies

i understand that i misinterpreted the 'more likely' part.

once again, you reveal your presumptuousness by making your posts turgid and overwrought. You don't need to explain all this stuff to me. the simple fact is that you implied dissonance would be 'incorrect' in the context of a cadential point, which is wrong.

Wait, what?

Where did I ever imply that? What are you even talking about? All I said is that natural 9 is jarring and dissonant, what's this about cadences?

[EADGC]

Yes...BUT. Your hate of cheese vastly increased later in the thread. Which was my point.

To be honest with you, my first post in this thread was heavily sugar-coated. Why? Because I assumed (rightfully so) that the pawn would get his panties in a knot if I didn't. And whaddya know.

[Joelbassman]

No, I'd call it sight reading.

Theory has to do with describing and organizing and labeling common trends in music.
Haha well I guess you do have a point :thumb:


Although...No I won't go there...

I was going to say that Sheet music is a common trend, just like tab is today. But you know...who gives a **** :p

[HaVIC5]

I agree. The tomato is a vegetable. **** everyone who says it's a fruit.

Yeah, exactly. It would go in a fruit salad if it was a fruit, and who the **** would eat a fruit salad with tomatoes in it?

[Raayl]

im exporting a song at a bit rate of 96000

DVD quality exports take forever

[HaVIC5]

To be honest with you, my first post in this thread was heavily sugar-coated. Why? Because I assumed (rightfully so) that the pawn would get his panties in a knot if I didn't. And whaddya know.

Keep on digging, man, keep on digging.

[Raayl]

Keep on digging, man, keep on digging.

we should collaborate

[Mr. Pickle]

Trying to polish a turd?










































sorry. <3

[HaVIC5]

im exporting a song at a bit rate of 96000

DVD quality exports take forever

Totally worth it though.

[Raayl]

Trying to polish a turd?










































sorry. <3

actually its the instrumental version of the new tactus a song...which is 10 minutes long.

:O

[EADGC]

Keep on digging, man, keep on digging.

Change your avatar already.

[HaVIC5]

we should collaborate

Let's. I'll admit my sequencing abilities aren't nearly as good as yours, but I can at least play bass (not meant as a dig)

[Joelbassman]

To be honest with you, my first post in this thread was heavily sugar-coated. Why? Because I assumed (rightfully so) that the pawn would get his panties in a knot if I didn't. And whaddya know.
My only qualm with this is that it took Raayl's influence to desugar coat your opinion.

[Raayl]

Let's. I'll admit my sequencing abilities aren't nearly as good as yours, but I can at least play bass (not meant as a dig)

hahaha, would be you be angry if i told you i give guitar lessons for money

send me a sweet porno jazz beat and ill make it awesome raayl style

[EADGC]

My only qualm with this is that it took Raayl's influence to desugar coat your opinion.

It had nothing to do with him at all. It was Neel's self-admitted douchebaggery.

[Joelbassman]

hahaha, would be you be angry if i told you i give guitar lessons for money

send me a sweet porno jazz beat and ill make it awesome raayl style
Haha bass lessons?

You should just fap to it and record the noise...cum shot inclusive.

[HaVIC5]

hahaha, would be you be angry if i told you i give guitar lessons for money

Not really. More power to you. I'd teach ****ing trombone if I could get away with it.

You do reason, right?

[Raayl]

Haha bass lessons?

You should just fap to it and record the noise...cum shot inclusive.

im actually not kidding though, i would collaborate with havic

[Mr. Pickle]

actually its the instrumental version of the new tactus a song...which is 10 minutes long.

:O

stop. you're getting me all wet.

[Raayl]

Not really. More power to you. I'd teach ****ing trombone if I could get away with it.

You do reason, right?

not really anymore cause i'm so obsessed with vocals. dont even have it on my new computer yet :-(

why do you ask

[Raayl]

stop. you're getting me all wet.

it's based on a short story called "I have no mouth...and I must scream."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Have_No_Mouth,_and_I_Must_Scream

[EADGC]

I do Reason. Let me in on this.

[Raayl]

yeah man eadgc how them reason skills coming along?

[:amaze:]

I agree. The tomato is a vegetable. **** everyone who says it's a fruit.

finally, some sense in this thread!




:amaze:

[Joelbassman]

im actually not kidding though, i would collaborate with havic
Haha I know you're not. And I'd be very interested to hear it.

I just thinking you Fapping to some porno music would be highly entertaining to my ears.


Plz teach me da base?


(i'm half kidding...depending on your reply)

[HaVIC5]

I just have a few reason files I could just send you if you wanted to tweak **** or whatever. Do you like reggaeton by any chance?

[Raayl]

Haha I know you're not. And I'd be very interested to hear it.

I just thinking you Fapping to some animal photographso music would be highly entertaining to my ears.


Plz teach me da base?


(i'm half kidding...depending on your reply)

far be it from me to say this: i can play bass and guitar pretty well. but they're not skills i value that highly when it comes to my "creative expression"

[Raayl]

I just have a few reason files I could just send you if you wanted to tweak **** or whatever. Do you like reggaeton by any chance?

i don't really like any type of music till i give it a shot myself. sure.

[EADGC]

yeah man eadgc how them reason skills coming along?

I still need a cable to hook up my keyboard.

I was looking at buying a manual but I don't know if it would be necessary. Probably not.

Here's a legitimate question for you Neel, what harpsichord patch is that?

[Joelbassman]

i don't really like any type of music till i give it a shot myself. sure.
This kind of sounds like I'm trying to chime in on something I don't belong in...But I also have some Reason files I'd like you to see...just ideas.

Feel free to tell me to gtfo.

[Joelbassman]

I still need a cable to hook up my keyboard.

I was looking at buying a manual but I don't know if it would be necessary. Probably not.

Here's a legitimate question for you Neel, what harpsichord patch is that?
Do you have a laptop or a desktop?

far be it from me to say this: i can play bass and guitar pretty well. but they're not skills i value that highly when it comes to my "creative expression"
I remember your old tapping vids, they were cool.

But that still doesn't answer my question:p

[EADGC]

Do you have a laptop or a desktop?

Laptop, why?

[Raayl]

do you guys see how music brings us all together in the end?

beautiful

[EADGC]

I miss our massive group fights.

[Raayl]

yeah fights like these are the only time anybody bothers posting. i mean you'll magically see two or three users you thought were dead who came by to watch the carnage.

[Mr. Pickle]

Beautiful beat get me out of this mess.
Beautiful beat lift me up from distress.

[HaVIC5]

I still need a cable to hook up my keyboard.

I was looking at buying a manual but I don't know if it would be necessary. Probably not.

Here's a legitimate question for you Neel, what harpsichord patch is that?

Don't ever call me Neel. Neely is acceptable.

I have no idea. I know I added a bunch of compression and reverb and **** on it thoug.

[Joelbassman]

Laptop, why?
Oh it's just my music teacher gave me his MIDI keyboard to borrow, and he gave me a lead which I think goes directly into your sound card(not quite sure), either way, my laptop doesn't have the right port, and if I wanted it to work I'd need a MIDI to USB cable.

Just thought you should know in case you didn't already? I remember you saying something about it in a thread somewhere.

Raayl: I was just thinking that. One minute we're at each other throats. Next it's like...'COLLAB COLLAB COLLAB!'

[HaVIC5]

do you guys see how music brings us all together in the end?

beautiful

I'm now going to have to go out and murder a hippie, which shouldn't be too hard. No shortage of them around here.

[HaVIC5]

It's the ****ing internet, being at each others throats is meaningless.

[Raayl]

I'm now going to have to go out and murder a hippie, which shouldn't be too hard. No shortage of them around here.

murder is bad dude

bring back arson 08

[EADGC]

Don't ever call me Neel. Neely is acceptable.

I have no idea. I know I added a bunch of compression and reverb and **** on it thoug.

Is it from the Reason Factory bank or from an add-on? The only one I could find was the "Harpsi Funk" and I'm looking for something more authentic.

[Joelbassman]

It's the ****ing internet, being at each others throats is meaningless.
Spoken like a true nobleman.

[Left Shoe]

yeah fights like these are the only time anybody bothers posting. i mean you'll magically see two or three users you thought were dead who came by to watch the carnage.

truth.

[HaVIC5]

I got ****ing work in the morning, I'll talk to you gents later.

[EADGC]

It's the ****ing internet, being at each others throats is meaningless.

But fun.

[HaVIC5]

murder is bad dude

bring back arson 08

Burn what? Only the wealthiest hippies have shacks to burn to the ground, otherwise they're all homeless.

[EADGC]

Oh it's just my music teacher gave me his MIDI keyboard to borrow, and he gave me a lead which I think goes directly into your sound card(not quite sure), either way, my laptop doesn't have the right port, and if I wanted it to work I'd need a MIDI to USB cable.

Just thought you should know in case you didn't already? I remember you saying something about it in a thread somewhere.

Raayl: I was just thinking that. One minute we're at each other throats. Next it's like...'COLLAB COLLAB COLLAB!'

I think I'll have to go MIDI - USB, if I can find one.

[fingers mccoy]

Let me rephrase.

Most of the music majors on this website pretty much sum up everything I hate about music majors. Chrono and mccoy (?) excepted. That is all.

not a music major yet i dunno about chrono

[EADGC]

not a music major yet i dunno about chrono

yar he is last time I checked

aria is cool too

[fingers mccoy]

yeh aria's very good

[HaVIC5]

Yeah. That HaVIC5 is such an asshole, though, he really is. He hates people who are creative.

[Joelbassman]

Raayl(in case you missed it):

I remember your old tapping vids, they were cool.

But that still doesn't answer my question:p


Raayl(In case you ignored it): This kind of sounds like I'm trying to chime in on something I don't belong in...But I also have some Reason files I'd like you to see...just ideas.

Feel free to tell me to gtfo.

[Mr. Pickle]

gtfo

[EADGC]

yeh aria's very good

never really heard him play too much, he seems kinda reluctant to post recordings. He knows his stuff though

[fingers mccoy]

Yeah. That HaVIC5 is such an asshole, though, he really is. He hates people who are creative.

:lol:

i dont know anything about you havic

[Joelbassman]

gtfo
:upset:


Wasn't asking you Pickle!

[EADGC]

k I found one

Harpsithord

it's not perfect but it's better.

[chronopops]

yar he is last time I checked

aria is cool too

ya im a music major, but the most lulzworthy music major ever.

[GUTS]

BEHOLD!





the bass forum.

[blacklungfever]

Most of the music majors on this website pretty much sum up everything I hate about music school. Chrono and mccoy (?) excepted. That is all.

Hey Matt what about me? :wave:

Then again I don't post all that much. And I've only been a music major for a week.

[BenJammin]

k I found one

Harpsithord

it's not perfect but it's better.

Start tweaking it with effects and whatnot. You can get some more realistic/better sounds out of patches once you start playing with them.

[EADGC]

Start tweaking it with effects and whatnot. You can get some more realistic/better sounds out of patches once you start playing with them.

I've never really tried. Where should I start?

[BenJammin]

I've never really tried. Where should I start?

Start with reverbs. The easiest way I find to hook devices together is to first make the instrument you want, select your patch that you like, or want to work with. Then right click on that instrument in the rack, go over to the "Create" submenu, and from there, choose one of the effects. It will automatically attach itself to the device and work with it. Then start tweaking the settings of the effect to your liking. Both the RV-7 and the RV7000 Advanced reverbs have a lot of presets that you might find to your liking. If not, pick one that's close and tweak it as necessary. :)

Trial and error is really the best way to figure the ins-and-outs of the program.

[Joelbassman]

Start with reverbs. The easiest way I find to hook devices together is to first make the instrument you want, select your patch that you like, or want to work with. Then right click on that instrument in the rack, go over to the "Create" submenu, and from there, choose one of the effects. It will automatically attach itself to the device and work with it. Then start tweaking the settings of the effect to your liking. Both the RV-7 and the RV7000 Advanced reverbs have a lot of presets that you might find to your liking. If not, pick one that's close and tweak it as necessary. :)

Trial and error is really the best way to figure the ins-and-outs of the program.
I also like when I'm combining upwards of about 3-5+ devices to use the Combinator to keep things tidy and you know what's attached to what without having to look too hard.

Does anyone find the NN19(sp?) much cooler than the Subtractor?

[BenJammin]

I also like when I'm combining upwards of about 3-5+ devices to use the Combinator to keep things tidy and you know what's attached to what without having to look too hard.

Does anyone find the NN19(sp?) much cooler than the Subtractor?

Agreed on the first count.

[HaVIC5]

Well, it's a totally different technology - the subtractor is a synthesizer, the nn19 is a sampler. Two way different things.

[Joelbassman]

Yes I know, but I find I get cooler sounds from the NN19 than the patches on the synthesizer...That's all.

Edit: When you say sampler...do you mean as in sampling like...a spoken voice track or do you mean like..sampling a sound(say a Piano) then altering the pitches in the sequencing window? Cause I use it for the latter. I've never used it to 'sample' per say.

*confusion*

[Raayl]

dude this is why i do vocals pretty much exclusively now. too many buttons.

[EADGC]

too many buttons.

story of my life.

[Joelbassman]

story of my life.
Does this story include a girl?


"Okay so I've got the bra clasp sorted...ARGHGHOMWTF!!!!! She has buttons on her pants!!!! AJDHDD WHAT DO I DO!"

[EADGC]

Does this story include a girl?


yes in fact

This is a story of a girl
Who cried a river and drown the whole world
But while she looks so sad in photographs
I absolutely love her when she smiles

[Left Shoe]

yes in fact

This is a story of a girl
Who cried a river and drown the whole world
But while she looks so sad in photographs
I absolutely love her when she smiles

.../thread

[EADGC]

.../thread

more like


/life

[Sablate McNuff]

yes in fact

This is a story of a girl
Who cried a river and drown the whole world
But while she looks so sad in photographs
I absolutely love her when she smiles

You did not seriously just do that.

[BenJammin]

more like


/life

This, tbqh.

[EADGC]

see Ben gets it

[HaVIC5]

That's it, EADGC, you're banned from my thread. Out.

[GUTS]

see Ben gets it

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/irishslappop/gayness.jpg

[EADGC]

That's it, EADGC, you're banned from my thread. Out.

Get Out, (leave) right now,
It's the end of you and me
It's too late (now) and I can't wait for you to be gone
'Cause I know about her (who) and I wonder (why) how I bought all the lies
You said that you would treat me right but you was just a waste of time (waste of time)

[BenJammin]

What the hell is wrong with you?

[Jaded]

this thread is f*cked

[EADGC]

What the hell is wrong with you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl9s3F8o34s

[Sablate McNuff]

Get Out, (leave) right now,
It's the end of you and me
It's too late (now) and I can't wait for you to be gone
'Cause I know about her (who) and I wonder (why) how I bought all the lies
You said that you would treat me right but you was just a waste of time (waste of time)

You are no longer worthy of the hipshot d-tuner. Please send it back. You must also pay for postage.

However, I will rep you for at least picking a cute girl. Loss of rep for being a pedophile.

She is cute in this vid though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU

[:amaze:]

even cuter in this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65I0HNvTDH4




:amaze:

[naut]

i think it's cool that you can write a song within a genre that i hate, but still mange to keep me interested until the end. i may have found it cheesy, and nearly obnoxious; but it wasn't boring, at all. that's respectable.

[HaVIC5]

i think it's cool that you can write a song within a genre that i hate, but still mange to keep me interested until the end. i may have found it cheesy, and nearly obnoxious; but it wasn't boring, at all. that's respectable.

What genre is that, exactly? Jazz? This wasn't jazz. This was a cheesy amalgamation of psuedo funk and salsa.

Thanks though, glad to keep the masses entertained by obnoxious sounds like the cowbell.

[naut]

no not jazz. i was just simply thinking cheesy in general - (amalgamation of psuedo funk and salsa is better but naturally that didn't exactly cross my mind.)

[Raayl]

no not jazz. i was just simply thinking cheesy in general - (amalgamation of psuedo funk and salsa is better but naturally that didn't exactly cross my mind.)

but maladroitness did? the **** is the matter with you?

[Jaded]

Some of the transitions sounded a little rough, but that was pretty cool.

[P13]

i like it