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DekWannaBFlea

08-23-2008, 03:29 AM

you must have not watched the primaries when mr. loose cannon ripped into obama like he was GOP meat.

Both are fundamentally opposed on foreign policy issues (even down to the Iraq war vote). No one in their right mind can say Biden fits into Obama's "change" theme.

"I think he can be ready, but right now I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training." -Joe Biden, 07

What a turn-around in a year huh?

Actually, I did watch it. And I have seen it recently. It is easily fixed...

All Biden has to do I say: "I have changed my mind, just like I did with my vote on the Iraq war. New evidence such as Obama's handling of the campaign thus far and knowledge of the issues shows his experience and adaptability to new situations.One thing you learn throughout your years is that sometimes you are wrong and it is not a sign of weakness to admit that you are wrong. Rather it is a sign of wisdom that you know that you won't always be right. Obama has proven me wrong and I am glad that he chose me as has his VP. I am both thrilled and honored to be on this campaign and have the potential opportunity to serve the American people in this honorable position. "

Or something to that extent.

The Obama team knows that it will easy to paint Biden as completely on board and if McCain picks Romney (which makes the most sense) it will be even easier.

No candidate is perfect. But Biden brings alot to the table and is worth taking some hits over.

Akira

08-23-2008, 06:18 AM

This is a horrible choice on so many levels. Not only does Biden bring little to the ticket in terms of key states and has dangerously terrible message discipline, but Obama messed up the release hardcore. I defended him for waiting until the end of the news cycle, and I still do. But to make a huge deal about releasing the name via text and email and then doing so at 3am is utter garbage.

Good job Obama. Good job.

JJLinkX

08-23-2008, 06:30 AM

Say Hello to President McCain. Obama is just nuts on this choice. Biden is such a loser.

DekWannaBFlea

08-23-2008, 06:46 AM

Not only does Biden bring little to the ticket in terms of key states and has dangerously terrible message discipline, but Obama messed up the release hardcore.
Good job Obama. Good job.

I agree that the timing of the message was pretty dumb.
But other than that I think you underestimate Biden. He doesn't bring in a key state but neither did Cheney, Liberman, Edwards,Dole, Quayle or Bush.

His message discipline may be a negative but I doubt it. I think Biden will learn from his mistakes from the debates. This also is completely outweighed by the fact that he is the definition of a "attack dog" VP. Imagine him in the VP debates against Romney. Romney would get ripped apart by Biden.

Biden also brings a broader appeal to the ticket. Biden is considered the poorest Senator and he has working class roots. Not to mention his vast foreign policy knowledge that rivals (and I would argue surpasses) McCain's. Sometimes the candidate doesn't pick a candidate who will give him/her a state; they pick someone who is strong in their weak spots.

JohnXDoe

08-23-2008, 07:33 AM

lol McCain is already running a commercial that shows Biden at a Democratic Primary debate where he is asked if Obama is ready to be President and he says "no."

then they show him at another event asked about McCain and he says he would "be honored to run against or with John McCain

then they show McCain and say "John McCain for President," etc

i think its a poor choice on its face and they have (Obama and his people) over estimated the appeal of Biden to the masses. he is a 35 year Washington senator from ONE state and is largely seen as an establishment east coast liberal. now we have two of them on one ticket. idc if Obama is from Illinois / Hawaii, he was shaped at Harvard. Harvard, Kennedy's, meh....

Biden in my eyes is one of the biggest opportunists around, always trying to slither his way into something and now he has. at least Hillary didn't get to Washington until 15 years ago. and her husband was a southern state governor before that. hardly old school "Washington insiders." Biden has had 35 years to do something or make "change" and hasn't done squat :/

they may think he appeals to "lunch bucket dems" and older voters, but they are wrong. they have seen a lot of Joe Biden throughout the years and have been non too impressed. i doubt he will impress 'em much now

Reaganista

08-23-2008, 07:44 AM

hmm well his anti drug policy is pretty ineffective imo but other than that he's an all around great guy but so are mccain and obama it's did of a shame that our political system is so degenerated otherwise this could be a civilized election

Hababi

08-23-2008, 08:36 AM

I like Joe Biden. I would've considered voting for him in the general election. I wish he would've been the nominee four years ago.

The more I think about it, the more I think he's not a winning VP for Biden. Reasons:

* Biden criticized Obama's lack of experience in the primary, and has a long record of maintaining that experience is necessary to be president
* Biden voted for the war in Iraq. Obama says that's the most major decision in history and staked his nomination on it. So why pick a guy who doesn't have that 'judgment'?
* Biden sticks his foot in his mouth fairly often and loves to talk almost as much as Obama likes to give big empty speeches.
* Biden voted to ban partial birth abortion. Obama supports infanticide.

Joe

08-23-2008, 09:37 AM

But they didn't have a "who can be the better 1st grader" match like McCain and Romney did, so I'm ok with it.

Hababi

08-23-2008, 09:42 AM

But they didn't have a "who can be the better 1st grader" match like McCain and Romney did, so I'm ok with it.

no biden just said that Obama isn't ready to lead (correct statement) :p

Joe

08-23-2008, 09:53 AM

Speaking your mind early on in a campaign is different then having a cat fight in the sand box because the other has a better shovel then you do.

RNR

08-23-2008, 10:02 AM

Speaking your mind early on in a campaign is different then having a cat fight in the sand box because the other has a better shovel then you do.

wtf. Cats don't have shovels :amaze:

Obama picked the person whom he would most like to be vice president. Good on him.

actually he probably would rather have John Edwards but americans are stupid and Edwards can't have a political career anymore.

maxwell_1888

08-23-2008, 10:16 AM

Say hello to America's losing ticket

If McCain wins the election, which he probably will...don't blame Obama, or Biden.

Simply blame the electorate. They need to shoulder responsibility once in a while.

The one thing I respect about politicians is how much criticism they take. It's not as if they can dish it back out the the public, is it?

Surtr

08-23-2008, 10:25 AM

I can't say this is the greatest choice, but I can understand why Obama is doing it, and I still think that Obama / Biden is better than McCain / Romney by far.

JohnXDoe

08-23-2008, 10:33 AM

If McCain wins the election, which he probably will...don't blame Obama, or Biden.

Simply blame the electorate. They need to shoulder responsibility once in a while.

The one thing I respect about politicians is how much criticism they take. It's not as if they can dish it back out the the public, is it?
Obama isn't really trying to win the election, though. at least not yet

this choice for VP leaves me befuddled. i mean Biden isn't a bad guy, but he seems to be what Obama has been running against. and running hard against

and yeah i think politicians dish plenty out on the public. but unlike the public's words the crap they dish is usually somewhat more hurtful

i would have liked to have seen a governor get the call. a woman governor would have been fine, too. instead Obama picked what he said he didn't want: a Washington insider and a "yes" man. someone who has had ambitions of power and influence over many decades in the senate, set himself up for opportunity at the White House, and has failed in his ambition. so now he gets "chosen" to be part of a "change" ticket

something about this stinks

i think its a calculated move. they want the white working class, they want someone more like McCain to help beat McCain. Biden's got years, experience, is a vet, knows foreign affairs, and is older

but Americans don't really care about Joe and his ideas are very dated. he has spent half his career on committee after committee and is prolly more bureaucrat then politician. so far as i'm concerned Joe Biden is someone who needs to retire, not sit next to the President

Obama needed someone that complimented him and his ideas imo. someone to bolster the ticket. this just looks like a safe pick and we'll be lucky if with Biden's baggage and loose lips he doesn't drag the whole thing down at some point

Obama is ok, but he really doesn't have ANY experience. and someone like Joe Biden who is probably happy just to have finally gotten lucky and "made it" isn't going to force an issue once in office one way or another

this is Obama's race now. he has no one to lean on, no one to give him a boost or balance. i don't see him winning come November

BassRevelation0

08-23-2008, 10:37 AM

I can't say this is the greatest choice, but I can understand why Obama is doing it, and I still think that Obama / Biden is better than McCain / Romney by far.
If only it was Romney/McCain

something about this stinks

If I must say so myself.

joshmay

08-23-2008, 10:39 AM

a LOT can happen between now and november.

Avalanche.

08-23-2008, 11:30 AM

Im going to the Obama speech in a little bit, ill tell you guys how it goes

Akira

08-23-2008, 12:12 PM

Hababi

08-23-2008, 12:17 PM

I'd write a real response to this, but I'm too busy laughing at "infanticide."

Murdering a child that has been born in spite of efforts to kill it is inescapably infanticide, and Obama voted against banning that.

Iskandar

08-23-2008, 01:02 PM

I knew it was going to be Biden because he has foreign policy experience.

Biden said that he regretted voting for the war, so I don't see the problem.

Already_Taken

08-23-2008, 01:03 PM

Hababi

08-23-2008, 01:04 PM

I knew it was going to be Biden because he has foreign policy experience.

Biden said that he regretted voting for the war, so I don't see the problem.
So wait...Obama chose him for his 'experience' and yet he thinks that he was absolutely and utterly wrong on the major decision?

Iskandar

08-23-2008, 01:06 PM

So wait...Obama chose him for his 'experience' and yet he thinks that he was absolutely and utterly wrong on the major decision?You must have failed reading comprehension 101 or else you would have seen the part when I said that Biden said he regretted voting for the war.

Hababi

08-23-2008, 01:09 PM

You must have failed reading comprehension 101 or else you would have seen the part when I said that Biden said he regretted voting for the war.

oh ok so he has the experience to make bad decisions and then regret them yeah that makes him a good choice

Iskandar

08-23-2008, 01:10 PM

oh ok so he has the experience to make bad decisions and then regret them yeah that makes him a good choiceGive up. You're sad.

Hababi

08-23-2008, 01:11 PM

Give up. You're sad.

you're praising the choice of a guy who's supposed to be so smart but who you think got it wrong. who cares if he 'admitted his mistake'? You're supposed to get it right.

Iskandar

08-23-2008, 01:15 PM

What are you talking about? I think Biden is a good choice.

Already_Taken

08-23-2008, 01:15 PM

you're praising the choice of a guy who's supposed to be so smart but who you think got it wrong. who cares if he 'admitted his mistake'? You're supposed to get it right.

wait so you're arguing for the guy with all that experience getting shot down and tortured for 5 years? the guy who was also on deck during the worst naval accident of all time.

with a track record like that, what could go wrong?

McP3000

08-23-2008, 01:50 PM

I can only pray that Romney isn't McCains running mate. If he is, i promise not to vote in the election.

Joe

08-23-2008, 01:50 PM

I can pray that he is. We need 4 years of someone besides Bush.

Iskandar

08-23-2008, 01:52 PM

We're going to get than anyway. I don't understand.

Independent_CA

08-23-2008, 02:36 PM

Called that one!

Good choice. Biden is a wiseass and a loudmouth. Exactly like me.

Otherside

08-23-2008, 02:46 PM

I think Biden is a lot of what Obama's campaign needs. The speeches today underline that.

g°®†

08-23-2008, 02:55 PM

Obama Biden Laden!

Otherside

08-23-2008, 03:01 PM

Obama Bin Biden

Avalanche.

08-23-2008, 03:17 PM

The speeches were good and the crowd was nuts..Its also like 90 here so it was very hot but I'm still glad I went. I think Biden will be a good choice

Against Miik!

08-23-2008, 03:21 PM

I like Joe Biden even though I don't really agree with him on anything.

g°®†

08-23-2008, 03:23 PM

That's not a very good reason to like him. :smash:

Illmatic

08-23-2008, 03:49 PM

McP3000

08-23-2008, 03:50 PM

That's not a very good reason to like him. :smash:
haha

you mock this pick but if McCain chooses Romney you realize that's a way bigger mistake
i completely agree

Against Miik!

08-23-2008, 04:05 PM

That's not a very good reason to like him. :smash:

I like him because he is passionate. He absolutely killed in the debates.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=YNO6-WoC_Vw

However, I can't be on board with some of his positions. The '05 Bankruptcy Bill was a disaster. He is staunchly anti drug and anti gun. He is very passionate about education it seems, but has the wrong ideas on some things. He voted for NCLB, but claims he regrets it. He is for abstinence education and against the voucher system. He's also pro union. I mean, theres other stuff. Those are just a few things.

How people view Obama as more liberal than this guy is beyond me. Again, he seems like a great guy, and his heart is in the right place. I'd rather have a guy like that in office than a guy with good positions who won't act on them, or who is easily swayed to do the wrong thing.

McP3000

08-23-2008, 04:12 PM

I like him because he is passionate. He absolutely killed in the debates.
*insert classic Hitler comparison hyperbole*

Hababi

08-23-2008, 04:21 PM

you mock this pick but if McCain chooses Romney you realize that's a way bigger mistake

well keep in mind that biden was probably the best options of those considered, better than booooooooooooooooooooooooring Bayh, hee haw chet edwards, and tim 'i got where i am due to family connections' kaine.

luckily the best choice (Strickland) said no.

Romney isn't my favorite pick but I think that he can do a solid job.

Illmatic

08-23-2008, 04:24 PM

Romney isn't my favorite pick but I think that he can do a solid job.

until he finds something more interesting...like how after 3 mediocre years as governor of MA he bailed on the state and spent his last year in office roaming the country and attempting to drum up support for his hilariously inept presidential campaign.

I mean you like to rag on Obama's lack of experience, but Romney's shining moment was the ****ing 2002 Olympics.

Against Miik!

08-23-2008, 04:29 PM

Yeah Romney is pretty worthless. I think a VP should be able to do two things: make up the presidents downfalls, and be ready to be president if need be. I think Biden fits both of those his strengths being experience and foreign policy and he seems at least somewhat presidential.

Romney has neither of those characteristics.

Hababi

08-23-2008, 04:59 PM

until he finds something more interesting...like how after 3 mediocre years as governor of MA he bailed on the state and spent his last year in office roaming the country and attempting to drum up support for his hilariously inept presidential campaign.

I mean you like to rag on Obama's lack of experience, but Romney's shining moment was the ****ing 2002 Olympics.

At least he actually did something :p

Romney was a very successful businessman who went from being rich to very, very, very rich.

thedriveinfan

08-23-2008, 05:05 PM

rich ppl getting richer, thats a new one

Iskandar

08-23-2008, 05:19 PM

Romney was a very successful businessman who went from being rich to very, very, very rich.This is a reason to vote for someone?

Joe

08-23-2008, 05:26 PM

This is a reason to vote for someone?

What are you talking about?!?! Isn't that the basis of the Republican platform?

Romney would be so wonderful for the Democrats.

Illmatic

08-23-2008, 05:41 PM

At least he actually did something :p

Romney was a very successful businessman who went from being rich to very, very, very rich.

being a good businessman does not make someone a good politician

foment

08-23-2008, 05:51 PM

yes it does

Hababi

08-23-2008, 06:15 PM

being a good businessman does not make someone a good politician

it helps

RNR

08-23-2008, 06:56 PM

I agree that some of the skills involved in being a businessman would help in politics.

But I would rather have the skills without the businessman part.

BassRevelation0

08-23-2008, 08:59 PM

it helps

only if the word politician is used with negative connotations.

Smokey D

08-23-2008, 09:05 PM

I'm sure that there are plenty of good politicians who were successful businessmen, and I'm sure you could establish some causation in that relationship to. But there are plenty of other ways of becoming a good politician.

g°®†

08-23-2008, 09:14 PM

good oral

JohnXDoe

08-24-2008, 12:41 AM

been listening to Joe. he is meh. but i guess vp's are supposed to be. this was the best he was ever going to do. its like he finally made it to runner up

idk who i will vote for this November. both candidates have pros and cons for and against them. i think the vp choice in McCains case will make the bigger difference. because of McCains age. he needs youth. Romney would be a fine choice. he is young, sharp, and the ladies love him :smoke:

Joe is a non factor. guys like me who are on the fence about Barrack remain on the fence, and John McCain still looks like a viable alternative. no matter how much Barack tries to paint him as an extension of Bush its obvious he isn't. McCain is a moderate Republican who has taken on his party more then once in his career sometimes to his own undoing, but he has stood up for what he thought was right. and angered many conservatives doing it. Bush has never really done that. he's about as conservative as a republican gets. just about

Barack on the other hand has NO experience. Broken home, troubled youth, success in college, organizes faith based efforts in Chicago (making ominous friends as he goes), sort of falls into the Senate, he has a winning smile, makes good speeches, and is a nonthreatening light skinned black man. he just plain looks and sounds good

so lets make him President

he is smart, talented even. but so are lot of you when it comes to politics. and i wouldn't trust any of you within 500 yards of the oval office :p

pppoe

08-24-2008, 12:59 AM

John, you would actually vote for a McCain / Romney ticket?

RNR

08-24-2008, 01:10 AM

The problem with McCain is that he's a religious conservative and it shows in his policy. America needs profound change, not Christian dogma.

Hababi

08-24-2008, 08:26 AM

idk who i will vote for this November.

McCain!!!!!

Independent_CA

08-24-2008, 10:40 AM

I personally find the idea that either ticket is going to bring about "change" to be ridiculous at best. Counting the President and VP, there are 537 people who have a direct impact on decision making in the US government. This election will only replace two of those and neither of them is really THAT different from the other 535. Washington will still be the same place in January no matter what happens in November.

Light Fantastic

08-24-2008, 10:58 AM

The problem with McCain is that he's a religious conservativei dont think this matters as much as the problem of people actually thinking about voting for him

Hababi

08-24-2008, 11:15 AM

PshSam

08-24-2008, 11:36 AM

I'm glad you finally see the light.

Akira

08-24-2008, 11:58 AM

Murdering a child that has been born in spite of efforts to kill it is inescapably infanticide, and Obama voted against banning that.

No. That's a lie. Obama's vote against BAIPA in no way made Obama against banning infanticide. The act was supposed to guarantee health care to abortion survivors, something they already had. BAIPA was a bad law. Voting against it was responsible. Invoking it to claim Obama supports infanticide is just lying.

BassRevelation0

08-24-2008, 12:24 PM

The problem with McCain is that he's a religious conservative and it shows in his policy. America needs profound change, not Christian dogma.

are you serious?

g°®†

08-24-2008, 12:25 PM

why so serious?

Hababi

08-24-2008, 12:51 PM

No. That's a lie. Obama's vote against BAIPA in no way made Obama against banning infanticide. The act was supposed to guarantee health care to abortion survivors, something they already had. BAIPA was a bad law. Voting against it was responsible. Invoking it to claim Obama supports infanticide is just lying.

:lol: ok mr axelrod. For your information, the bill passed overwhelmingly. The senate bill identical to it also passed overwhelmingly. The reason Obama initially gave for voting against it was a lie. He had to later admit that he was lying.

Barack Obama supported murdering newborn babies. That makes him unfit.

Oh but I forget we're supposed to vote for him because he owns fewer homes than McCain :rolleyes:

btw McCain got all of his homes through legal means:thumb:

Akira

08-24-2008, 12:54 PM

Barack Obama does not support murdering newborn babies. That's a complete misrepresentation of what BAIPA is.

Hababi

08-24-2008, 01:07 PM

Barack Obama does not support murdering newborn babies. That's a complete misrepresentation of what BAIPA is.

It affords protection to newborn babies. Obama felt that doctors should be able to execute them after they were born. The American public overwhelmingly disagrees. BO=baby killer and terrorist sympathizer.

Light Fantastic

08-24-2008, 01:17 PM

zero i'd argue with you but i cant help you being racist filth who hates blacks

Hababi

08-24-2008, 01:19 PM

zero i'd argue with you but i cant help you being racist filth who hates blacks

:lol: ftr, I'm quite up on the idea of Colin Powell being VP.

Light Fantastic

08-24-2008, 01:20 PM

its a mask for your black hating ways!

Iskandar

08-24-2008, 01:25 PM

BO=baby killer and terrorist sympathizer.

McP3000

08-24-2008, 01:35 PM

zero i'd argue with you but i cant help you being racist filth who hates blacks
i dont see how you could justify Zero being racist just because he hates Obama.

Otherside

08-24-2008, 01:42 PM

Already_Taken

08-24-2008, 01:43 PM

he's pretty notorious around here, mcp3000.

McP3000

08-24-2008, 01:47 PM

yeah i know about how everyone hates him. But i find it increasingly annoying that people seem to continually infer things that from his posts that are really not there.

And as for the rap/mod thing. Sounds pretty bad, but you cannot keep a straight face and tell me rap music and the subculture has been entirely healthy for the black american population.

g°®†

08-24-2008, 01:49 PM

I don't hate him.

But he did have a point. Hip Hop/Rap is only imposing a negative image on the black demographic. It's what little kids aspire to be and it's what people who strive to be Suits despise as it only makes their climb up the career ladder that much more difficult.

This is generally speaking, mind you.

Already_Taken

08-24-2008, 01:49 PM

i would argue they [rap & subculture] have helped the race as a whole gain confidence by being able to have something to themselves in a place where they are the minority.

g°®†

08-24-2008, 01:57 PM

This is true, but generally speaking, Rap/Hip-Hop mainly perpetuates the negative stereotypes attached with being black and in America and amplifies the gangsta persona which is frowned upon by society.

Otherside

08-24-2008, 01:58 PM

how rap and black people were destroying america...

Light Fantastic

08-24-2008, 02:15 PM

Hababi

08-24-2008, 03:24 PM

Oh, it's a lot easier than you think. Back when he was a mod he made a thread outlining how rap and black people were destroying america

no.

Hababi

08-24-2008, 03:25 PM

i wasnt really serious more commenting on the lack of need to debate with him when he starts saying things like barack obama is a baby killer and supports terrorism

plus what i said is classic zero on israel and jew haters anyway

BO supports babies being killed after they've been born, and is good friends with Bill Ayers, an unrepentent terrorist. So, both statements were correct.

Light Fantastic

08-24-2008, 03:33 PM

supporting something is rather different to carrying out the act yourself

Hababi

08-24-2008, 03:34 PM

supporting something is rather different to carrying out the act yourself

wait so you would argue then that it's incorrect to say that Hitler killed 6 million Jews?

Light Fantastic

08-24-2008, 03:37 PM

well thats a stupid comparison considering barack obama isnt ordering mothers to the clinics for abortions is he

but even so i'd say that no he personally did not kill 6 million jews

Hababi

08-24-2008, 03:49 PM

well thats a stupid comparison considering barack obama isnt ordering mothers to the clinics for abortions is he

He's attempting to legislate the continuation of the process so it manifests as the same, basically.

but even so i'd say that no he personally did not kill 6 million jews

He's responsible. And BO was responsible for trying to let it happen.

pppoe

08-24-2008, 05:25 PM

wait so you would argue then that it's incorrect to say that Hitler killed 6 million Jews?

Good one.

Sleep

08-24-2008, 05:33 PM

lol McCain is already running a commercial that shows Biden at a Democratic Primary debate where he is asked if Obama is ready to be President and he says "no." ...

uh have you heard some of the stuff mccain's said about romney?

Knifeboy

08-24-2008, 05:49 PM

You can always count on steve to godwin a thread

Iskandar

08-24-2008, 06:05 PM

Did you know abortion is a second Holocaust? Just like the second Holocaust that's going to happen if we let the dirty Ay-rabs control the 10% of their land they have left.

SWard325

08-24-2008, 06:46 PM

war is bad

Otherside

08-24-2008, 07:25 PM

no.

yes

disprove it then steve, burden of proof is on you!

oh wait you can't because you deleted the thread!

Aaron

08-24-2008, 07:28 PM

Doesn't the US have a set retirement age?!

Akira

08-24-2008, 07:51 PM

Did you know abortion is a second Holocaust? Just like the second Holocaust that's going to happen if we let the dirty Ay-rabs control the 10% of their land they have left.

The Ay-rabs are already taking over Europe though, so they have plenty of land.

Let's just hope America doesn't end up like Eurabia.

Reaganista

08-24-2008, 07:54 PM

Doesn't the US have a set retirement age?!

ya but it's not mandatory wtf

Hababi

08-24-2008, 08:57 PM

yes

disprove it then steve, burden of proof is on you!

no see you're the one making the claim. Provide proof or I'll call for your banning.

Reaganista

08-24-2008, 09:00 PM

lol is that a joke

Hababi

08-24-2008, 09:02 PM

Even Ed Rendell recognizes the huge media bias against John McCain:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/michaelcalderone/0808/Rendell_Obama_coverage_was_embarrassing.html

Reaganista

08-24-2008, 09:05 PM

he was obviously talking about hilary clinton but regardless the bias is warranted since america is biased against john mccain

Hababi

08-24-2008, 09:06 PM

he was obviously talking about hilary clinton but regardless the bias is warranted since america is biased against john mccain

America loves John McCain
Obama cultists love Obama

So either America wins or terrorists win.

Reaganista

08-24-2008, 09:07 PM

is that a no true scotsman argument or do you actually think mccain has a majority

Knifeboy

08-24-2008, 09:08 PM

America loves John McCain
Obama cultists love Obama

So either America wins or terrorists win.

back that up or ill get u banned

Hababi

08-24-2008, 09:10 PM

is that a no true scotsman argument or do you actually think mccain has a majority

McCain has a majority of true Americans
Obama has his creepy personality cult and Bill Ayers

A coup would be to find the family members of the people who were injured/killed by Bill Ayers' group. "Barack Obama called Bill Ayers 'respected.' I don't respect him. He killed my father. Barack Obama may find this respectable, but I don't."

Aaron

08-24-2008, 09:11 PM

ya but it's not mandatory wtf
Was making an old joke.

Knifeboy

08-24-2008, 09:12 PM

McCain has a majority of true Americans

yeah but true americans are idiots and shouldn't be allowed to vote

Hababi

08-24-2008, 09:12 PM

yeah but true americans are idiots and shouldn't be allowed to vote

No personality cult members should go somewhere they would enjoy better like say Cuba.

Reaganista

08-24-2008, 09:15 PM

McCain has a majority of true Americans
Obama has his creepy personality cult and Bill Ayers

ok but no majority among actual americans only among those americans who dont forfeit their status as americans by supporting his opponent ok

A coup would be to find the family members of the people who were injured/killed by Bill Ayers' group. "Barack Obama called Bill Ayers 'respected.' I don't respect him. He killed my father. Barack Obama may find this respectable, but I don't."
mccain is a baby killer he's not respectable personally that's not as bad as obama having unrespectable friends

Hababi

08-24-2008, 09:18 PM

no obama befriended terrorists and called them respectable
he's a terrorist sympathizer.

Reaganista

08-24-2008, 09:20 PM

mccain is a baby killer
guilt by association < actual guilt

Hababi

08-24-2008, 09:29 PM

mccain is a baby killer

no.

Reaganista

08-24-2008, 09:30 PM

ya he is it's one of his major selling points he talks about it all the time

Hababi

08-24-2008, 09:35 PM

ya he is it's one of his major selling points he talks about it all the time

no.

Reaganista

08-24-2008, 09:44 PM

he confessed

Mr. Ron

08-24-2008, 09:49 PM

yeah but true americans are idiots and shouldn't be allowed to vote

^^^^

In related news, I really don't think I'm going to vote. Both candidates are crap.

Reaganista

08-24-2008, 09:52 PM

that's a bad reason to not vote you should vote because you recognize the pointlessness of it i wouldnt vote even if i was running

Hababi

08-24-2008, 10:15 PM

In related news, I really don't think I'm going to vote. Both candidates are crap.

You're making progress. Weren't you high on Obama a month or two ago?

Mr. Ron

08-24-2008, 10:24 PM

that's a bad reason to not vote you should vote because you recognize the pointlessness of it i wouldnt vote even if i was running

Why would I vote in something I knew was pointless? it would make my vote pointless and therefore would make voting nonsensical.

Otherside

08-24-2008, 10:39 PM

no see you're the one making the claim.

no see i made the claim and provided sources with witnesses so its up to you to disprove them im sorry

Provide proof or I'll call for your banning.

lol

free_thinkers_are_dangerous

08-24-2008, 11:48 PM

g°®†

08-24-2008, 11:48 PM

^^^^

In related news, I really don't think I'm going to vote. Both candidates are crap.

Might as well vote for the lesser of two evils, otherwise your distaste for either candidate serves no purpose.

g°®†

08-24-2008, 11:50 PM

I can't be arsed reading the last 130 posts to see if someone beat me to it, but is anybody else expecting a Republican ad campaign based on how much Obama-Biden sounds like Osama Bin Laden?

Obama-Binbiden... Osama-Biden...

it sounds nowhere near seeing as how Biden is pronounced By-den :rolleyes:

but yeah, I already beat you to it.

Hababi

08-25-2008, 07:15 AM

no see i made the claim...

no see you're the one making the claim.

....

It's not what I said, not what I think, and is a rather baseless and perfidious smear.

Knifeboy

08-25-2008, 07:16 AM

irony

Reaganista

08-25-2008, 07:19 AM

Why would I vote in something I knew was pointless? it would make my vote pointless and therefore would make voting nonsensical.
exactly

It's not what I said, not what I think, and is a rather baseless and perfidious smear.
zero u cant delete a thread and pretend it never happened when there's still witnesses around

ringworm

08-25-2008, 08:42 AM

He is a great choice. Will be a great attack dog

He has been in the Senate over 30 years.
which is why biden will turn off many previous obama supporters
especially the many middle grounders or party switchers obama was good at reeling in

i feel biden was a good choice, only for mccains campaign

ive said it a hundred times

the reps are good at winning like the dems are good at losing

wtg obama :(

Otherside

08-25-2008, 09:15 AM

It's not what I said, not what I think, and is a rather baseless and perfidious smear.

obama is a baby killer

Reaganista

08-25-2008, 10:47 AM

mccain is a baby killer obama never served

gregulus

08-25-2008, 10:54 AM

mccain is a baby killer obama never served

he's a hero for killing those babies.

Joe

08-25-2008, 10:55 AM

It's funny, because the polls right now are in a dead heat, but I guarantee when McCain picks his running mate they'll be back to where they were two months ago.

pppoe

08-25-2008, 11:38 AM

I hope he picks Ron Paul.

Mister_Che

08-25-2008, 11:41 AM

McCain has a majority of true Americans

I'm curious, are these the same true americans that voted for Bush because he was the kind of person they would have a beer with?

Reaganista

08-25-2008, 11:42 AM

nobody wanted to have a beer with bush they voted for bush because they thought al gore was gay

Joe

08-25-2008, 12:02 PM

Even Ed Rendell recognizes the huge media bias against John McCain:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/michaelcalderone/0808/Rendell_Obama_coverage_was_embarrassing.html

Most people in the media graduated high school.

McCain has a majority of true Americans
Obama has his creepy personality cult and Bill Ayers

Define "true Americans."

Reaganista

08-25-2008, 12:04 PM

mccain voters

Joe

08-25-2008, 12:35 PM

Really now. What makes them so "true"

pppoe

08-25-2008, 12:41 PM

They are not false.

Already_Taken

08-25-2008, 01:48 PM

ron paul is the real straight talk express.

pppoe

08-25-2008, 01:51 PM

I regret not voting for Clinton.

Illmatic

08-25-2008, 03:21 PM

Oh, it's a lot easier than you think. Back when he was a mod he made a thread outlining how rap and black people were destroying america, and before illmatic and... another person who I can't remember were able to get him banned for his blatant racial remarks he deleted the entire thread to save his own ***. He was soon demodded.

Cain

plus a bunch of other people...like every other steve thread it was virtually the entire forum vs. him. of course he wound up deleting the thread and (briefly) trolled me and Cain around here afterward.

I can't be arsed reading the last 130 posts to see if someone beat me to it, but is anybody else expecting a Republican ad campaign based on how much Obama-Biden sounds like Osama Bin Laden?

no they'll probably run an ad about how one time in high school Biden ditched school during a Memorial Day assembly and went to a baseball game, thus showing that he far prefers dirty Latino immigrants to the troops.

A coup would be to find the family members of the people who were injured/killed by Bill Ayers' group. "Barack Obama called Bill Ayers 'respected.' I don't respect him. He killed my father. Barack Obama may find this respectable, but I don't."

or to find the families of the people killed by McCain/McCain's platoon

Mister_Che

08-25-2008, 03:29 PM

Even Ed Rendell recognizes the huge media bias against John McCain:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/michaelcalderone/0808/Rendell_Obama_coverage_was_embarrassing.html

No.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/24/opinion/24rich.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

What Obama also should have learned by now is that the press is not his friend. Of course, he gets more ink and airtime than McCain; he’s sexier news. But as George Mason University’s Center for Media and Public Affairs documented in its study of six weeks of TV news reports this summer, Obama’s coverage was 28 percent positive, 72 percent negative. (For McCain, the split was 43/57.) Even McCain’s most blatant confusions, memory lapses and outright lies still barely cause a ripple, whether he’s railing against a piece of pork he in fact voted for, as he did at the Saddleback Church pseudodebate last weekend, or falsifying crucial details of his marital history in his memoirs, as The Los Angeles Times uncovered in court records last month.

The media reports on Obama more, but it's not all good as you would like to believe.

Even as it points to America’s future, the Obama campaign also has the duty to fill in its opponent’s past. McCain’s attacks on Obama have worked: in last week’s Los Angeles Times-Bloomberg poll, Obama’s favorable rating declined from 59 to 48 percent and his negative rating rose from 27 to 35. Yet McCain still has a lower positive rating (46 percent) and higher negative rating (38) than Obama. McCain is not nearly as popular among Americans, it turns out, as he is among his journalistic camp followers. Should voters actually get to know him, he has nowhere to go but down.

Hababi

08-25-2008, 04:45 PM

Cain

plus a bunch of other people...like every other steve thread it was virtually the entire forum vs. him. of course he wound up deleting the thread and (briefly) trolled me and Cain around here afterward.

no i trolled cain in the rock forum for a bit

Iskandar

08-25-2008, 05:23 PM

So I heard that a poll had the two tied at 47%, and then an hour later heard a poll had Obama with a six-point lead.

Lol.

Hababi

08-25-2008, 05:34 PM

So I heard that a poll had the two tied at 47%, and then an hour later heard a poll had Obama with a six-point lead.

Lol.

The six point lead poll would be an outlier. Gallup's daily tracking has them tied at 45. That's a poll taken after Obamuh picked Biden, too. So much for a bounce.

JohnXDoe

08-25-2008, 06:01 PM

mccain is a baby killer

who cares babies are useless

free_thinkers_are_dangerous

08-25-2008, 06:06 PM

The six point lead poll would be an outlier. Gallup's daily tracking has them tied at 45. That's a poll taken after Obamuh picked Biden, too. So much for a bounce.

In other news, a recent poll shows most Americans think that misspelling someone's name in order to insult that person is an immature and tired gimmick.

JohnXDoe

08-25-2008, 06:08 PM

unless steve does it then its lulz

Already_Taken

08-25-2008, 06:44 PM

johnxdoe what did you do with the old johnxdoe?

Iscariot

08-25-2008, 07:14 PM

ringworm

08-25-2008, 07:38 PM

i think the lack of experience was his pro, tbo

look at where the "experienced" people have gotten us :)

Akira

08-25-2008, 07:44 PM

biden is a good choice for obama

he has 30 years of senatorial experience and he perfectly balances out obama's lack of experience

it's more sensible than mcbush considering lieberman just because he's jewish and gives mcbush some diversity points

No, you don't get it. Biden's a Washington insider. Anyone who has spent that much time in Washington is evil. Except for McCain, who has dedicated his life to fighting for justice and hates partisanship almost as much as Obama hates America.

Joe

08-25-2008, 07:53 PM

And yes the experience is "evil" but remember that he can't have people without experience around him. You have to remember he's the one still making the decisions - he just needs people around to help him out with what works and what doesn't.

McCain is a Washington insider who is also on the side of the aisle that hasn't gotten anything smart done. So Biden is losing in the evil race with McCain.

And exactly to ringworm's comment!!! Look at the past 8 years!!! How wonderful has that experience treated us!

And Hababi, you're avoiding you being wrong about McCain having the support of "true" Americans

JohnXDoe

08-25-2008, 08:06 PM

No, you don't get it. Biden's a Washington insider. Anyone who has spent that much time in Washington is evil. Except for McCain, who has dedicated his life to fighting for justice and hates partisanship almost as much as Obama hates America.
i don't know who i will or will not vote for yet, but when Obama said:

“A lot of evil's been perpetuated based on the claim that we were fighting evil.”

just what exactly is "a lot" and what exactly might he have been thinking of? when did we "perpetuate" evil while "fighting" it? was it the evil WWII, where we robbed the german's of their beloved leader and dropped the bomb on the Japs? was it the Native Americans which were killed, their land stolen to make this great nation where I now live and breathe? was it slavery, Vietnam, or the civil war, which pitted brother against brother to free the black man in the south? is it in Iraq? why not ask the Kurds and others who Saddam f'd over how evil we are and how rightous he was?

just how have we been evil, when and why? and how can we not be?

i guess President Obama has the judgment and clarity to let us all know....as Americans, when we are being evil or rightous

thats a fine, fine line to walk. but apparently without him we have perpetuated "a lot of evil"

nice to hear from the the proposed leader of the land :rolleyes:
johnxdoe what did you do with the old johnxdoe?
hello hello :)

ringworm

08-25-2008, 08:11 PM

“A lot of evil's been perpetuated based on the claim that we were fighting evil.”
honestly, that about sums it up

anyone who disagrees with this probably thinks war is heroic

Reaganista

08-25-2008, 08:11 PM

was it the evil WWII, where we robbed the german's of their beloved leader and dropped the bomb and the Japs? nah not really

was it the Native Americans which were killed, their land stolen to make this great nation where I know live and breathe?
ya kinda
was it slavery,
that too
Vietnam,
uh huh
or the civil war, which pitted brother against brother to free the black man in the south?
well half the ppl

is it in Iraq?
a bit but not so much as say vietnam

why not ask the Kurds and others who Saddam f'd over how evil we are and how rightous he was?not liking saddam doesnt mean they like us

JohnXDoe

08-25-2008, 08:29 PM

^ yes well the Kurds and others around the world like them can fight off oppression and murder without us then. from now on

lest we perpetuate more evil upon...the virtuous world we live in
honestly, that about sums it up

anyone who disagrees with this probably thinks war is heroic
or sometimes necessary

Knifeboy

08-25-2008, 08:47 PM

“A lot of evil's been perpetuated based on the claim that we were fighting evil.”

just what exactly is "a lot" and what exactly might he have been thinking of? when did we "perpetuate" evil while "fighting" it? was it the evil WWII, where we robbed the german's of their beloved leader and dropped the bomb on the Japs? was it the Native Americans which were killed, their land stolen to make this great nation where I now live and breathe? was it slavery, Vietnam, or the civil war, which pitted brother against brother to free the black man in the south? is it in Iraq? why not ask the Kurds and others who Saddam f'd over how evil we are and how rightous he was?

Or maybe.. The vast amount of oppresive legislation passed using the threat of terror as an excuse?

Radiobass81

08-25-2008, 08:53 PM

i don't know who i will or will not vote for yet, but when Obama said:

“A lot of evil's been perpetuated based on the claim that we were fighting evil.”

just what exactly is "a lot" and what exactly might he have been thinking of? when did we "perpetuate" evil while "fighting" it? was it the evil WWII, where we robbed the german's of their beloved leader and dropped the bomb on the Japs? was it the Native Americans which were killed, their land stolen to make this great nation where I now live and breathe? was it slavery, Vietnam, or the civil war, which pitted brother against brother to free the black man in the south? is it in Iraq? why not ask the Kurds and others who Saddam f'd over how evil we are and how rightous he was?

just how have we been evil, when and why? and how can we not be?

i guess President Obama has the judgment and clarity to let us all know....as Americans, when we are being evil or rightous

thats a fine, fine line to walk. but apparently without him we have perpetuated "a lot of evil"

I'm sorry, but even in some of your examples there are things that are not justified, just like killing the Native Americans. And if you don't mind going way back, I can name a few other things (Pinochet, Noriega, 'La Mordaza', Cerro Maravilla, the killing two years ago of Filiberto Ojeda Rios, etc). Vietnam was meaningless, too.

ringworm

08-25-2008, 09:09 PM

or sometimes necessary

like iraq?

thats like saying sometimes when you rob a convenient store, you have to kill the cashier

pppoe

08-25-2008, 09:11 PM

i don't know who i will or will not vote for yet, but when Obama said:

“A lot of evil's been perpetuated based on the claim that we were fighting evil.”

just what exactly is "a lot" and what exactly might he have been thinking of? when did we "perpetuate" evil while "fighting" it? was it the evil WWII, where we robbed the german's of their beloved leader and dropped the bomb on the Japs? was it the Native Americans which were killed, their land stolen to make this great nation where I now live and breathe? was it slavery, Vietnam, or the civil war, which pitted brother against brother to free the black man in the south? is it in Iraq? why not ask the Kurds and others who Saddam f'd over how evil we are and how rightous he was?

just how have we been evil, when and why? and how can we not be?

i guess President Obama has the judgment and clarity to let us all know....as Americans, when we are being evil or rightous

thats a fine, fine line to walk. but apparently without him we have perpetuated "a lot of evil"

nice to hear from the the proposed leader of the land :rolleyes:

hello hello :)

um i'm sure there are lots of americans who agree with him on that so stfu.

Hababi

08-25-2008, 09:42 PM

hahahaha michelle obama talking about barack obama's "word"

like his word on FISA
or public financing
or PAC money

BO's pledges are as worthless as his hollow words.

Knifeboy

08-25-2008, 09:43 PM

I can't fathom why you keep on posting, you ignore everything addressed to you anyway.. Do you honestly think you're swaying anyones opinion?

Maybe you are, but you're probably making people more pro obama than anything else

Otherside

08-25-2008, 09:46 PM

yeah lol, be more like steve or be a democrat hmm thats a hard decision

Hababi

08-25-2008, 09:56 PM

Mister_Che

08-25-2008, 09:56 PM

BO's pledges are as worthless as his hollow words.

So are McCains POW excuses.

Hababi

08-25-2008, 09:57 PM

So is McCains POW excuses.

McCain doesn't use his 5 1/2 years as a POW as an "excuse" for anything.

Otherside

08-25-2008, 09:58 PM

no just as an answer to everything

Mister_Che

08-25-2008, 10:01 PM

McCain doesn't use his 5 1/2 years as a POW as an "excuse" for anything.

He uses it as an excuse for being more qualified to be president.

noun, verb, POW

no just as an answer to everything

Yep.

Reaganista

08-25-2008, 10:01 PM

McCain doesn't use his 5 1/2 years as a POW as an "excuse" for anything.

yesterday u were denying that it ever happened

Hedgedive

08-25-2008, 10:02 PM

no just for cheating on wife 1

not that that has anything to do with politics but w/e

Mister_Che

08-25-2008, 10:06 PM

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/08/mccain_no_kitch.html

Appearing later today on the "Tonight Show with Jay Leno" John McCain refers to his time as a prisoner of war during Vietnam to explain his slip last week when he couldn't say how many houses he owns.

"I spent 5 1/2 years in a prison cell," McCain said, according to accounts of the taping on the political websites of USA Today and the Washington Post. "I didn't have a house. I didn't have a kitchen table. I didn't have a table."

He should pick Giuliani as his running mate.

McCain: noun, verb, POW
Giuliani: noun, verb, 9/11

Mister_Che

08-25-2008, 10:13 PM

The six point lead poll would be an outlier. Gallup's daily tracking has them tied at 45. That's a poll taken after Obamuh picked Biden, too. So much for a bounce.

Because I just saw this:

Virginia - PPP (D) McCain 45% Obama 47% ------ Obama +2

National - ABC News/Wash Post Obama 49% McCain 45% ----- Obama +4

National - ABC News/Wash Post Obama 48% McCain 42% Nader 3% Barr 3% ---- Obama +6

National - CNN Obama 47% McCain 47% Tie - (CNN admitted several times this poll is probably faulty)

National - Rasmussen Tracking Obama 48% McCain 45%--- Obama +3

National - USA Today/Gallup Obama 48% McCain 45% ----Obama +3

Colorado - Suffolk Obama 44% McCain 39% ----Obama +5

Michigan - Detroit News Obama 43% McCain 41% -----Obama +2

Otherside

08-25-2008, 10:16 PM

yeah, cnn was talking about how their own poll was faulty because they only accept votes from landlines so it alienates the younger vote or something

Smokey D

08-25-2008, 10:18 PM

McCain doesn't use his 5 1/2 years as a POW as an "excuse" for anything.

I love it. He doesn't use it for anything, but everyone remember that it was 5 1/2 years because even though he doesn't use it for anything the length of time is still relevant to how good a president he will be.

Mister_Che

08-25-2008, 10:19 PM

I thought it was funny that he added the "5 1/2 years" as if it's supposed to shame me out of referencing it.

Also, I remember Steve saying that people were sending death threats to McCain. Looks like they've actually arrested 4 people who intended on assassinating Obama:

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/aug/25/police-investigate-possible-plot-kill-obama/

So are we still going to see Steve perpetuate this personality cult that threatens McCain when there have been arrests made in connection to a serious attempt at Obamas life?

Joe

08-25-2008, 10:38 PM

hey if you want to support a guy who's a megalomaniac liar then keep on supporting Obama.

Whoa whoa whoa, why don't you tell us exactly why you're supporting, or rather, defending, McCain? You're getting shoved down in so many arguments.

You're like Mr. Smith - you think the lost cause is the one worth fighting for, but too bad we're not fighting over a boy's camp. This is embarrassing, yet, to an extent, kind of funny.

I used to respect your opinion, even though I completely disagreed with you, but you've been so wrong on so many accounts that I simply can't do it any more. I felt like you were using more than Wikipedia. Why do you keep posting here? Do you feel that you're getting anywhere with this?

Where do you want to begin with McCain's problems? You blab about Michelle's speech, Joe Biden, his poll numbers, the definition of a "true" American, McCain's political tactics, and you don't even point out the problems about McCain.

I understand Obama isn't exactly the most experienced. I understand there are some things he's tried to do that have failed. I understand he has said some things and done the opposite - but do you ever get into details? Of course Obama had to accept PAC money because John McCain and the RNC get money under the table.

Obama's pledges are worthless. Clearly. Well, I hope McCain keeps his pledges, like the one to keep soldiers in Iraq for 100 years. I hope he drills offshore so that life is worse for his grandkids, as well as generations beyond me. Specifically, of course, when we get all of that oil and continue denying that it will ever run out. I hope to god that he gives me a great tax break so that I can buy my 7th house and not help out the old or the poor pay for health care - because for God's sake I help anyone else.

Now, onto another misconstrued rather ignorant post of yours. True American. What is a true American? Well, clearly I am a false American because I don't believe in John McCain. Clearly I don't love the flag as much as you do. Clearly I don't support the troops as much as you do (even though they are probably on the same page as me more than you). Clearly I am a false American because I don't believe every single word in the bible should be taken literally (and no one does. Leviticus says that we should not exploit foreigners, but we, and ESPECIALLY REPUBLICANS, love exploiting foreigners). Am I a false American because I believe that the Government shouldn't be in my bedroom? I am a false American because I can read the Constitution. I know that a "well regulated Militia" means more than one person, and apparently so does Merriam-Webster. Coincidence? Doubt it.

He's out of touch with the people of this country - THE TRUE AMERICANS. He doesn't understand what $4 a gallon means instead of $2 because it's merely pennies. He is out of touch with what wealth means and how it differs with rich. He is out of touch with the way the economy is moving. He is out of touch with the problems in cities, the problems young men and women face when it comes to things as evil as crime or as important as college tuition. He is out of touch with the real problems facing America.

Keep in mind - the McCains men don't run the family finances. If he can't run his own economy, what makes you think he'll be able to run the country's?

I really just can't stand your opinion anymore because you are such a typical Washington Republican. You all say the same exact stuff before checking out any of the information and you just wait for it to backfire and then you ignore it. I love when I can have a legitimate argument with a Republican about what his or her core values actually are and how they can be solved without trying to pretend we're in the 1880s.

There. My 2 cents. I'll wake up on November 5th with a cup of coffee, a smile on my face, my life back, and my country back.

free_thinkers_are_dangerous

08-26-2008, 01:44 AM

epic ownage. well played.

Iscariot

08-26-2008, 03:19 AM

hey if you want to support a guy who's a megalomaniac liar then keep on supporting Obama.

well we could support a vietnam veteran instead who spent pretty much their entire cycle overseas doing nothing in a prison camp and who now actively suppresses expansions on veteran's rights while claiming to be a man that our soldiers can rely on but who's keeping track right

ringworm

08-26-2008, 09:37 AM

since rep is no longer here, which it should be

good post Joe

Joe

08-27-2008, 09:47 AM

Thanks :)

Now, John McCain was on Jay Leno the other night. Jay asked how many houses he had and the first thing McCain says is:

"You know could I just mention to you Jay that, um, in a moment of seriousness, I spent 5 and a half years in a prison cell."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/26407284#26407284

ringworm

08-27-2008, 09:56 AM

wow, that was strange

i still dont see how he is doing so good when everytime i see him speak, you can easily sense the level of desperation in his voice and his campaign tactics, yet he continues to stay close in the polls

maybe its just obama is losing speed, and since there are only 2 to choose from, mccain just has to sit back and wait, i dunno

i have a bad feeling he is going to somehow win :(

Joe

08-27-2008, 10:05 AM

Well the I feel like the Republicans don't have anyone really powerful who will give a great speech next week whereas the Democrats had and will have a few great speakers that can really rally the party around Obama/Biden.

Hopefully there will be a bump in Hillary supporters and Independents over the next two weeks for Obama before the debates get rollin'.

But yes it feels like Obama is losing a little bit of speed. I think there will also be a bump when McCain picks his veep because he doesn't really have anyone good to choose from.

edit - if you watch the youtube of McCain on Leno it looks like he has a hard time getting up at the end :lol:

JohnXDoe

08-27-2008, 12:00 PM

Hillary's speech just made me resent the fact that Obama didn't pick her as VP a little bit more. she is obviously the right person for the white house and to work with the President. or be President

so tonight we get Biden and Bill. another chance to overshadow Obama's VP pick with another evil Clinton

meh

Otherside

08-27-2008, 12:22 PM

lol i dont understand why hillary would be so great she wouldnt compliment obama all that well in that she holds basically the same views and offers not much else other than having been on record for being bought out by the health insurance companies unless you really just loved bill clinton that much but that's a completely irresponsible thing to believe in imo

SugarCoatedSour

08-27-2008, 04:13 PM

Go away Obama. If there needs to be a black president; lets go find a black president not a chocolaty Abe Lincoln.

RNR

08-27-2008, 04:17 PM

Go away Obama. If there needs to be a black president; lets go find a black president not a chocolaty Abe Lincoln.

What if he let us eat his chocolate?

Akira

08-27-2008, 04:42 PM

McCain doesn't use his 5 1/2 years as a POW as an "excuse" for anything.

Holy crap. You're making a joke. You have to be. McCain and his surrogates pull the POW card all the time.

Joe

08-27-2008, 05:19 PM

Holy crap. You're making a joke. You have to be. McCain and his surrogates pull the POW card all the time.

Yeah he does. I made some comments on the previous page about it. There's a link with McCain on Leno pulling the POW card.

Akira

08-27-2008, 05:21 PM

Yeah he does. I made some comments on the previous page about it. There's a link with McCain on Leno pulling the POW card.

That was at least the third time his campaign has pulled it in response to the houses thing. I've also heard his supporters use it to justify him cheating on his wife.

Joe

08-27-2008, 05:23 PM

That was at least the third time his campaign has pulled it in response to the houses thing. I've also heard his supporters use it to justify him cheating on his wife.

Yes! He actually had supporters say that. It's unbelievable.

Smokey D

08-27-2008, 05:50 PM

Hababi

08-27-2008, 06:03 PM

Yeah he does. I made some comments on the previous page about it. There's a link with McCain on Leno pulling the POW card.

lol 'pulling the POW card' who are you trying to kid? You can go ahead and demean McCain's sacrifice to his country but that's why the BO personality cult is losing.

BO can give a vapid little speech from his faux greek parthenon and it's not going to help him. The American people are rejecting his cult.

Latest cult video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVi4rUzf-0Q

JohnXDoe

08-27-2008, 06:39 PM

Almost certainly Clinton didn't want to be Veep.
well if thats true i hope she didn't out and out turn it down. if it was offered. or if she were ever being considered.

i can understand how personally she may not want to be vp. even Barack said he didn't want to be. he said he was "running for President." but i still think if asked for something like that you put differences aside and take the job. its a great service to the country. a person should be honored. i doubt she was asked. or maybe she was right after and she said no?

if thats the case i'd be somewhat disappointed in her. but if she were never asked but sent out "signals" she didn't want it, i would understand. it wouldn't mean she wouldn't take it. just that she wasn't going to kiss Obama's black a$$ to get it

i don't like Obama's pick but one thing is for sure...it follows the lead of other dead beat picks of the past. when is the VP anything more then someone who might know how to run the country IF something should happen to the president? Cheney, Bush Sr, Gore. who couldn't even ride the coat tails of Bill into the White House

although thats another scandal altogether >_>

Dan Quayle wtf? and who was Carter's VP? whoever it was i bet they sucked. and Nixon's before. and Lyndon Johnson? nothing if Kennedy hadn't gotten shot. and not much after

Gerald Ford lol

this Biden pick is just like the lot of them. he'll disappear after the election is over. whether he wins or loses. as vp he'll be invisible, as the loser he'll just go back to whatever committee he is on atm. shaking hands and flashing that sparkling smile

so yeah given all that Hillary would have been perfect for the job because she wouldn't have sucked...but still not so great. because what would she really do? except keep the country off the course of disaster perhaps? but we'll see about that :/

Reaganista

08-27-2008, 07:00 PM

well cheney actually expanded the role of vp a lot its yet to be determined whether that will go away once we have a president who can read again or not

lol 'pulling the POW card' who are you trying to kid? You can go ahead and demean McCain's sacrifice to his country but that's why the BO personality cult is losing.
being a baby killer is self demeaning

Akira

08-27-2008, 07:16 PM

lol 'pulling the POW card' who are you trying to kid? You can go ahead and demean McCain's sacrifice to his country but that's why the BO personality cult is losing.

BO can give a vapid little speech from his faux greek parthenon and it's not going to help him. The American people are rejecting his cult.

Latest cult video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVi4rUzf-0Q

You're just unbelievable. How the **** are we demeaning his service by criticizing him for defending everything is does by reminding us that he was a POW? If anyone's demeaning John McCain's service it's John McCain.

You call Obama vapid, then you call an arena a "faux Greek Parthenon." He's the vapid one?

I seriously don't understand you. Are you just trolling now? I don't think you've said a goddamn thing in months that wasn't garbage to the point that it sounds like Stephen Colbert. You've reached self-parody, and it's sad.

Reaganista

08-27-2008, 07:18 PM

'hay mccain ur too old to run the world'
'i killed babies how can i be too old'
'oh ok'

Joe

08-27-2008, 07:24 PM

lol 'pulling the POW card' who are you trying to kid? You can go ahead and demean McCain's sacrifice to his country but that's why the BO personality cult is losing.

BO can give a vapid little speech from his faux greek parthenon and it's not going to help him. The American people are rejecting his cult.

Latest cult video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVi4rUzf-0Q

You're so out of the loop. And I love how you prove my point.

You can't pull the POW card for everything. If I was ever a prisoner of war, I would never use it as an excuse to cheat on my wife or allow anyone to say that. He's embarrassment. And that's even before you get to his politics.

Bron-Yr-Aur

08-27-2008, 07:26 PM

i have a bad feeling he is going to somehow win
historically the republican party is great at rallying for their candidate and winning. i'm a bit worried too.

Reaganista

08-27-2008, 08:02 PM

really it wouldnt be the worst thing in the world before this whole partisan crap came in requiring everyone to hate mccain most of us said he was our favorite republican i think not counting ron paul who's not a real republican anyway

i think the 2 guys we've got this time are prolly the best combined quality since clinton v. bush I which also would've worked out ok regardless of who won

Against Miik!

08-27-2008, 08:07 PM

lol 'pulling the POW card' who are you trying to kid? You can go ahead and demean McCain's sacrifice to his country but that's why the BO personality cult is losing.

BO can give a vapid little speech from his faux greek parthenon and it's not going to help him. The American people are rejecting his cult.

Latest cult video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVi4rUzf-0Q

Wow this has to be a joke.

And the funny thing is, McCain not only plays the POW card to much, he exaggerates it as well.

McCain claims that he was tortured during his time as a POW, and yet, under the Bush Administration definition of torture, the one that McCain supports, he was not tortured at all.

free_thinkers_are_dangerous

08-27-2008, 08:15 PM

Latest cult video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVi4rUzf-0Q

yeah its not like anybody makes songs about mccain

oh wait
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmKgITJejfg

Akira

08-27-2008, 08:16 PM

Wow this has to be a joke.

And the funny thing is, McCain not only plays the POW card to much, he exaggerates it as well.

McCain claims that he was tortured during his time as a POW, and yet, under the Bush Administration definition of torture, the one that McCain supports, he was not tortured at all.

That actually is demeaning his service. Or at least it's tasteless.

Akira

08-27-2008, 08:18 PM

yeah its not like anybody makes songs about mccain

oh wait
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmKgITJejfg

Is that the dude from that country reality show? Nashville Star or whatever. I think it is.

free_thinkers_are_dangerous

08-27-2008, 08:21 PM

Is that the dude from that country reality show? Nashville Star or whatever. I think it is.

damned if i know, i just youtube'd "mccain song" and picked the first one that wasn't a satire.

I found a pretty funny "pro"-mccain parody of cocaine by eric clapton too, if you're interested.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEpmSGa-zRM

Against Miik!

08-27-2008, 08:25 PM

That actually is demeaning his service. Or at least it's tasteless.

It's not at all. Don't be one of those people that says we can't criticize someone just because they served in the military. If it were anybody else, we would call them an embarrassment and a horrible soldier actually. He finished at the bottom of his class, crashed 5 jets while in service, was captured by the enemy, grossly overstated the conditions of their detention, etc...

He can't call himself a hero and say he was tortured and now say that those same methods aren't torture. He is having his cake and eating it too, which at his age is probably very dangerous, given the high amount of calories and sugar.

Akira

08-27-2008, 08:31 PM

Oh, you can criticize McCain all you want. I do. But saying things like that just give the right fuel for attacks. Keep the moral high ground. It's hard to do that with what you said, especially since John McCain does not explicitly support US torture.

Against Miik!

08-27-2008, 08:59 PM

That's why it hasn't been brought up, so Obama can run what somewhat resembles a cleaner campaign than McCain.

But honestly, it's not a low blow if its true.

And I'm not sure if McCain said he explicitly supports torture, but he surely is not against it. He had an opportunity to insure that the CIA was forced to follow the US Army Field Manual (which does not include in it the extended torture methods issued by the Bush Administration), but he voted against the amendment that would have done so. This was the Feinstein Amendment.

This is what he did not vote for:

SEC. 327. LIMITATION ON INTERROGATION TECHNIQUES.
(a) LIMITATION.—No individual in the custody or under the effective control of an element of the intelligence community or instrumentality thereof, regardless of nationality or physical location, shall be subject to any treatment or technique of interrogation not authorized by the United States Army Field Manual on Human Intelligence Collector Operations.
(b) INSTRUMENTALITY DEFINED.—In this section, the term ‘‘instrumentality’’, with respect to an element of the intelligence community, means a contractor or subcontractor at any tier of the element of the intelligence community.

He had the chance, and he voted against it. He voted against limitations on torture techniques. If that doesn't make him explicitly in support of torture, I don't know what does.

SugarCoatedSour

08-27-2008, 09:30 PM

What if he let us eat his chocolate?

I assume it's dark chocolate. And be serious, who in their right mind likes dark chocolate?

Hababi

08-27-2008, 09:42 PM

You're so out of the loop. And I love how you prove my point.

You can't pull the POW card for everything. If I was ever a prisoner of war, I would never use it as an excuse to cheat on my wife or allow anyone to say that. He's embarrassment. And that's even before you get to his politics.

ummmm he doesn't do that and yes you're denigrating his service. now go watch the cult video of idiot celebrities praying to barack obama

UmphreysHead

08-27-2008, 09:46 PM

That's why it hasn't been brought up, so Obama can run what somewhat resembles a cleaner campaign than McCain.

But honestly, it's not a low blow if its true.

And I'm not sure if McCain said he explicitly supports torture, but he surely is not against it. He had an opportunity to insure that the CIA was forced to follow the US Army Field Manual (which does not include in it the extended torture methods issued by the Bush Administration), but he voted against the amendment that would have done so. This was the Feinstein Amendment.

This is what he did not vote for:

He had the chance, and he voted against it. He voted against limitations on torture techniques. If that doesn't make him explicitly in support of torture, I don't know what does.
He said he voted against the bill Wednesday because legislation he had helped to pass already prohibits the C.I.A. from “cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment.”

“When we passed the Military Commissions Act, we said that the C.I.A. should have the ability to use additional techniques,” Mr. McCain told reporters Friday in Oshkosh, Wis. “None of those techniques would entail violating the Detainee Treatment Act, which said that cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment are prohibited.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/17/us/politics/17torture.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Joe

08-27-2008, 10:41 PM

ummmm he doesn't do that and yes you're denigrating his service. now go watch the cult video of idiot celebrities praying to barack obama

Dude. Go back to high school. Learn something. Then come back.

Hababi

08-27-2008, 10:44 PM

wait have you watched the latest cult video yet?

JohnXDoe

08-27-2008, 10:58 PM

Joe Biden looks like he wants to sell me a Cadillac

Against Miik!

08-27-2008, 11:05 PM

He said he voted against the bill Wednesday because legislation he had helped to pass already prohibits the C.I.A. from “cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment.”

“When we passed the Military Commissions Act, we said that the C.I.A. should have the ability to use additional techniques,” Mr. McCain told reporters Friday in Oshkosh, Wis. “None of those techniques would entail violating the Detainee Treatment Act, which said that cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment are prohibited.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/17/us/politics/17torture.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Yeah thats crap because the whole point of Feinstein Amendment was to basically apply the guidelines of the Detainee Treatment Act to government agencies, such as the CIA. Under the DTA alone, the guidelines only applied to military interrogators.

Otherside

08-27-2008, 11:35 PM

wait have you watched the latest cult video yet?

buzz words make you so politically edgy

Hedgedive

08-27-2008, 11:36 PM

how was Steve once a mod?

oh how the mighty have fallen

*wait no one liked him nm

Reaganista

08-28-2008, 12:02 AM

Joe

08-28-2008, 12:14 AM

wait have you watched the latest cult video yet?

Yes I've seen it. So? Some people think it's important that we don't reward the Republicans for the last 8 years by giving them 4 more (paraphrased from Bill Clinton's good speech tonight).

You're just as bad as them, but you're on the other side, so you think its ok.

You're the standard Republican.

Iscariot

08-28-2008, 03:02 AM

wait have you watched the latest cult video yet?

steve you are a walking stereotype

and what exactly did mccain sacrifice

he spent 5 years (basically his entire tour overseas) in a prison camp enduring what congress designates as not being torture and now he reminds everybody every 5 minutes that he was a POW as if that makes him somehow more qualified to run our country

he's a goddamn idiot

if that's degrading to his military record then good, he deserves it

i know men personally that endured far worse than mccain ever did in vietnam and they choose not to brag about it because it's nothing to brag about

he's a blowhard and a self-appreciative twat

Hababi

08-28-2008, 07:14 AM

buzz words make you so politically edgy

Celebrities praying to Obama demonstrates the personality cult. Just like the endless droning chants of his name and the Che-like portraits in the last one illustrated it.

Otherside

08-28-2008, 08:43 AM

Celebrities praying to Obama demonstrates the personality cult. Just like the endless droning chants of his name and the Che-like portraits in the last one illustrated it.

All authority is instituted by God correct? I see no problem with people praying in whatever way for the person who they think is best suited to lead to become the President. It's such a double standard to say that because there's people who are spiritually involved in a Democratic nominee is cult-esque while millions of churches every Sunday have pastor led prayers that invoke the name of God and in the same sentence ask for McCain's leadership of our nation. To assume that one is correct and one is not is not only empirically contradictory but contradictory to American ideals that date back to the founding fathers.

Basically what you're claiming is that it is OK for Christians to be involved with Republican campaign messages and candidates and for them to base a large portion of their platform around Christian ideals and principles, but once a Democrat assumes a similar position it is no longer appropriate but in fact, with the use of a word like "cult", an evil entity that draws comparisons to WACO and other infamous groups that were rightly bestowed that term. It's not just negative politics in a extremely demeaning way, it's insulting to Christians everywhere who hold Democratic ideals instead of Republican ones and support campaigns through their spirituality, and to insult them so is nothing short of sinning according to the Christian belief system.

ringworm

08-28-2008, 10:32 AM

Joe Biden looks like he wants to sell me a Cadillac
just another bitter hilary supporter :)

she represents the old guard, the ones that like to polarize voters

this is why most of her strong supporters cant seem to find their way to obama, many of them are so upset, they are voting mccain purely out of spite

obama wants to debate (intelligently), mccain and hilary were more interested in pwnage, only it richocheted back in their faces almost every time

so maybe thats why they have such a hard time seeing things perspectively, they are still trying to clean the **** off their faces :)

Mister_Che

08-28-2008, 11:39 AM

BO can give a vapid little speech from his faux greek parthenon and it's not going to help him. The American people are rejecting his cult.

Only Obama would get criticized for columns. :rolleyes:

Iscariot

08-28-2008, 01:54 PM

steve is just finding the most petty things he can scrape together to shun obama for so he doesn't have to admit that he's racist as all hell

JohnXDoe

08-28-2008, 04:23 PM

just another bitter hilary supporter :)

she represents the old guard, the ones that like to polarize voters

this is why most of her strong supporters cant seem to find their way to obama, many of them are so upset, they are voting mccain purely out of spite

obama wants to debate (intelligently), mccain and hilary were more interested in pwnage, only it richocheted back in their faces almost every time

so maybe thats why they have such a hard time seeing things perspectively, they are still trying to clean the **** off their faces :)
no i;m not a bitter hillary supporter lol

i don't care for Joe. he's of no consequence here in the west. Kennedy dem from the east coast, forty years in Washington. LOVES his BOY!

and Obama is as polorizing as any other liberal. talk to any Republicans who don't find him polarizing? just because he's passive on top doesn't mean he's not divisive. not everyone agrees with him believe it or not. or find his ideas welcoming or sound. millions of people

but i guess thats thier problem. they don't count. they are "old guard"

sounds more like "meet the new guard, same as the old guard" to me

"debate intelligently?" what difference does it make? everyone is intelligent enough so far as i can see. no one has to play by Barack rules or expectations

Barack isn't "new" anything. he's black

EDIT: i don't mean that last part as a negative. i just think its the main non essential factor that is making him "new" in the eyes of many

i mean its good if we have a black President. great for our history. but a good black President would be nice

Hababi

08-28-2008, 06:05 PM

All authority is instituted by God correct? I see no problem with people praying in whatever way for the person who they think is best suited to lead to become the President.

Praying for a leader (of which Obama is not yet, and hopefully will not be, one)? Good. Praying to your Leader? Bad. Very bad. Totally cultish.

And, when your party's house leader says that the candidate is 'sent by God', again, very bad, very cultish.

It's such a double standard to say that because there's people who are spiritually involved in a Democratic nominee is cult-esque while millions of churches every Sunday have pastor led prayers that invoke the name of God and in the same sentence ask for McCain's leadership of our nation. To assume that one is correct and one is not is not only empirically contradictory but contradictory to American ideals that date back to the founding fathers.

The problem is that Obama said that people 'cling' to religion, and Obama's god hates white people, conservative blacks, etc. and thinks the govt created AIDS to kill black people.

steve is just finding the most petty things he can scrape together to shun obama for so he doesn't have to admit that he's racist as all hell

Ah the trusty "If you don't support him you're a racist!" line.

Joe

08-28-2008, 06:12 PM

You're a moron. I hope you don't think you know what you're talking about.

Otherside

08-28-2008, 06:15 PM

Praying for a leader (of which Obama is not yet, and hopefully will not be, one)? Good. Praying to your Leader? Bad. Very bad. Totally cultish.

doesnt happen

And, when your party's house leader says that the candidate is 'sent by God', again, very bad, very cultish.
I've heard the same thing in churches about Bush and McCain so

hates white people, conservative blacks, etc. and thinks the govt created AIDS to kill black people.

credible source plz

Mister_Che

08-28-2008, 06:20 PM

The problem is that Obama said that people 'cling' to religion, and Obama's god hates white people, conservative blacks, etc. and thinks the govt created AIDS to kill black people.

No, you flaccid ****. Just because Obama attended Wrights church does not mean the share every view. They may have discussed things concerning religion, but that doesn't mean Obama takes his political leanings from him.

You keep making it sound like Wright talked about these things on a weekly basis for years. I can assure you, he didn't.

Hababi

08-28-2008, 06:22 PM

doesnt happen

Erm dude did you see the latest Will.I.am video?

I've heard the same thing in churches about Bush and McCain so

Yeah and those churches were bashed in here for that.

credible source plz

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MjExNzMwYzMyMjk0MDY4YzlhOTIwM2YzYWYzNGIyNjU=

Hababi

08-28-2008, 06:24 PM

No, you flaccid ****. Just because Obama attended Wrights church does not mean the share every view.

Attended for 20 years. Described himself as being moved to tears by Wright's sermons. Was married by Wright. Had his children baptized by Wright. Had Wright as his spiritual mentor.

Do they 'share' every single view? Probably not. But BO converted under Wright, and Wright's Christianity is a black nationalist hate cult.

Obama sat in church for 20 years. He knew what was being said.

You keep making it sound like Wright talked about these things on a weekly basis for years. I can assure you, he didn't.

His ideology is black liberation theology. BLT says that God is for black people, against white people. It says that Malcolm X was right in calling whites the devil and subhuman. This is the very core of his belief system. It's why he routinely hosted Farakhan and put him on his cover multiple times.