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Naminator
08-22-2008, 07:15 PM
If you hated autotune, then prepare to rage.
http://hight3ch.com/post/pitch-correction-like-youve-never-seen-or-heard/
Inb4 discussions including rayyl.
"remember, it is not midi, it is a real recording"
Raayl
08-22-2008, 07:30 PM
what color is the sky in your world?
Naminator
08-22-2008, 09:48 PM
They say "gullible" with a shade of grey.
BenJammin
08-22-2008, 10:30 PM
They say "gullible" with a shade of grey.
Your understanding of logic.
It's lacking.
EADGC
08-23-2008, 02:44 AM
This is actually really really old.
but cool
Akira
08-23-2008, 06:23 AM
Yeah, this is old. It's a really neat piece of software, actually. I had the demo for a while. To just describe it as autotune on steroids is to miss the point.
EADGC
08-24-2008, 12:22 PM
I agree, this is totally different than autotune.
Akira
08-24-2008, 12:46 PM
Just as a breakthrough in audio editing, the program is amazing. The idea of being able to isolate notes in a chord is awesome.
This is fantastic for producers. Who needs MIDI, with this you can take a sample pack and make it whatever you want.
Raayl
08-24-2008, 01:15 PM
but guys, quite obviously
this will ruin music
it's like what you've been doing with meedy for years.
Akira
08-24-2008, 04:37 PM
but guys, quite obviously
this will ruin music
Oh right.
Unless your name is Raayl, in which case it will only serve to reinforce your belief that physical instruments are worthless. :p
Raayl
08-24-2008, 06:57 PM
Oh right.
Unless your name is Raayl, in which case it will only serve to reinforce your belief that physical instruments are worthless. :p
no dude
it will destroy music
**** it im gonna move to canada. i dunno what problems moving to canada will solve but god damn that auto tune.
EADGC
08-24-2008, 06:59 PM
Just as a breakthrough in audio editing, the program is amazing. The idea of being able to isolate notes in a chord is awesome.
This is fantastic for producers. Who needs MIDI, with this you can take a sample pack and make it whatever you want.
I don't think this will really generate anything too new or interesting, but it will definitely make things a lot easier and speed up the process.
Raayl
08-24-2008, 07:02 PM
in fact, i blame global warming, pre-marital sex, and 95% of gun violence on auto-tune.
Knifeboy
08-24-2008, 07:08 PM
How will this affect those of us who don’t play with audio and do not care about it? It will affect us by giving our media more untalented singers the chance to seem talented.
Obviously the guy who wrote that is an idiot.
For singers, the new version of melodyne offers absolutely nothing new
Raayl
08-24-2008, 07:10 PM
guys wait hold on
are you telling me auto-tune supports slash and burning the last remaining rainforests in south america?
Knifeboy
08-24-2008, 07:13 PM
autotune raped my mother :upset:
Raayl
08-24-2008, 07:17 PM
autotune raped my mother :upset:
yeah dude i was called to jury duty for that case. wouldn't ya know it guy walked-free...
apparently your mother's skirt was too short.
Sablate McNuff
08-24-2008, 07:19 PM
guys wait hold on
are you telling me auto-tune supports slash and burning the last remaining rainforests in south america?
We musn't forget its harmful impact on the caribou population, specifically near the Alaskan Pipeline.
Sablate McNuff
08-24-2008, 07:19 PM
yeah dude i was called to jury duty for that case. wouldn't ya know it guy walked-free...
apparently your mother's skirt was too short.
I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE!
Touche.
Raayl
08-24-2008, 07:25 PM
it's a shame nobody watches my youtube videos but puff daddy has a million plays so instead of embracing new technology and evolving as an artist i think i'll just pretend that nobody likes my music cause the other guys are cheating.
EADGC
08-24-2008, 11:01 PM
Autotune's greatest victim: my ears.
Raayl
08-24-2008, 11:04 PM
Autotune's greatest victim: my ears.
autotune is used in like....80% of the popular music i hear.
auto-tune is an incredible tool if used properly. used as a crutch to "imitate" pitch-correct singing? bad bad bad. sounds horrible. if you're a bad singer, auto-tune will make you sound worse. see:the forgotten archetype or any song on popular hip hop radio.
it is great used in a mix, though - for a nice, full, choral sound. a lot of music uses it that you wouldn't expect. a lot of metal/rock, even country.
EADGC
08-24-2008, 11:06 PM
autotune is used in like....80% of the popular music i hear.
auto-tune is an incredible tool if used properly. used as a crutch to "imitate" pitch-correct singing? bad bad bad. sounds horrible. if you're a bad singer, auto-tune will make you sound worse. see:the forgotten archetype or any song on popular hip hop radio.
it is great used in a mix, though - for a nice, full, choral sound. a lot of music uses it that you wouldn't expect. a lot of metal/rock, even country.
Even subtle autotune annoys me. Full out "effect" style autotune is instant death. But singing out of tune annoys me too. I guess I really just hate bad singers.
Raayl
08-24-2008, 11:10 PM
Even subtle autotune annoys me. Full out "effect" style autotune is instant death. But singing out of tune annoys me too. I guess I really just hate bad singers.
nah, like i said you won't even recognize it as auto-tune. most people hear the word autotune and automatically think that "bubble" sound it makes when it corrects a note.
nah it is much more complex and useful than that.
EADGC
08-24-2008, 11:16 PM
nah, like i said you won't even recognize it as auto-tune. most people hear the word autotune and automatically think that "bubble" sound it makes when it corrects a note.
nah it is much more complex and useful than that.
Sometimes producers try to use it to correct bad singing though, and it can be noticable.
Raayl
08-24-2008, 11:17 PM
Sometimes producers try to use it to correct bad singing though, and it can be noticable.
lol yeah like i said. if you're a bad singer auto tune will make you sound worse.
EADGC
08-24-2008, 11:19 PM
lol yeah like i said. if you're a bad singer auto tune will make you sound worse.
yah. I hate that, and I hate that "bubble" sound as well. I'm sure it has more practical uses but whatever they are, I don't hear them. Maybe it's just an effect like reverb or compression - you only notice when it's poorly used.
Raayl
08-24-2008, 11:24 PM
its just a nice effect to use in a vocal mix. most vocal mixes sound simple but are in fact very complex. my average clean vocal take is no less than 5 tracks of independently recorded voice, for example.
you know, not everyone makes overproduced music
EADGC
08-24-2008, 11:25 PM
5 overdubs of the same thing?
EADGC
08-24-2008, 11:26 PM
you know, not everyone makes overproduced music
But most people who are anyone in the music industry do.
Raayl
08-24-2008, 11:32 PM
you know, not everyone makes overproduced music
lol shut the **** up kage.
it's a good thing computers exist. HA HA!
Sablate McNuff
08-25-2008, 01:08 AM
autotune is used in like....80% of the popular music i hear.
auto-tune is an incredible tool if used properly. used as a crutch to "imitate" pitch-correct singing? bad bad bad. sounds horrible. if you're a bad singer, auto-tune will make you sound worse. see:the forgotten archetype or any song on popular hip hop radio.
it is great used in a mix, though - for a nice, full, choral sound. a lot of music uses it that you wouldn't expect. a lot of metal/rock, even country.
Chester Bennington is a big fan of it. That's how he can always pull off screaming in-pitch when in-studio.
Raayl
08-25-2008, 02:34 AM
Chester Bennington is a big fan of it. That's how he can always pull off screaming in-pitch when in-studio.
yeah he was the primary example i was thinking of.
ok something that needs to be clarified...when you think you're "detecting" the use of auto-tune, it's being used as an effect. there is no subtle use of the tool that you're picking up on. when it's used to hide a mistake, you don't know it. that's auto-tune for ya...you can either hide or exaggerate. it's commonly used as an effect to get that cyborg sound. that has nothing to do with someone's inability to sing.
if auto-tune is being used as a corrective device you wouldn't even be aware of its presence. if it's simply being used as an effect, you would. big difference.
Joelbassman
08-25-2008, 04:31 AM
But a lot of the time when it is used as an effect, it is because they simply can't sing. For example Lil wayne. But otherwise Naut's right.
Knifeboy
08-25-2008, 06:19 AM
You could have the most amazing singer ever, come into the studio and do 5 takes.. And then it turns out the best one is the one where there's some slight pitch problems. Would you go with a boring take just because it was pitch perfect? Or would you correct those slight problems with autotune and make the music sound as good as it can?
Raayl
08-25-2008, 09:22 AM
But a lot of the time when it is used as an effect, it is because they simply can't sing. For example Lil wayne. But otherwise Naut's right.
lil wayne makes me want to kill people.
naut: thats what i said. wtf.
EADGC
08-25-2008, 01:51 PM
ok something that needs to be clarified...when you think you're "detecting" the use of auto-tune, it's being used as an effect. there is no subtle use of the tool that you're picking up on. when it's used to hide a mistake, you don't know it. that's auto-tune for ya...you can either hide or exaggerate. it's commonly used as an effect to get that cyborg sound. that has nothing to do with someone's inability to sing.
if auto-tune is being used as a corrective device you wouldn't even be aware of its presence. if it's simply being used as an effect, you would. big difference.
Lots of people would argue that you can hear it being used as a cover up at times. Sometimes I swear I can hear it, but it could be placebo, who knows.
a lot of the time when it is used as an effect, it is because they simply can't sing. For example Lil wayne.
no. http://www.talkbass.com/forum/images/smilies/no.gif
Lots of people would argue that you can hear it being used as a cover up at times.
trained engineers with years of experience. don't see too many of them around...
Raayl
08-25-2008, 02:02 PM
hey naut why don't you shut the **** up and make some music
side note did you lol at this too:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/Supernaut_1/Cuby.jpg
Raayl
08-25-2008, 02:36 PM
side note did you lol at this too:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/Supernaut_1/Cuby.jpg
LMAO yes. yes i did.
Joelbassman
08-25-2008, 04:17 PM
no. http://www.talkbass.com/forum/images/smilies/no.gif
Yes.
backsidetailslide
08-25-2008, 05:39 PM
Lots of people would argue that you can hear it being used as a cover up at times. Sometimes I swear I can hear it, but it could be placebo, who knows.
listen to the new ozzy album. i really doubt they used it as an effect.
Yes.
with wayne, it's being used as an EFFECT. if his producers wanted to portray him as a singer then they would. he's not. he's a rapper. when auto-tune is used to that degree it's simply an effect that sounds cool. as i already said, that has nothing to do with someone's inability to sing.
auto-tune for wayne is an effect. this isn't a matter of opinion. take a moment and actually listen to wayne's music. is the device used actually "correcting" anything? no. it's just wildly modulating pitches 'cause quite frankly it sounds neat. if they put a flanger on his voice would you be making the same argument?
backsidetailslide
08-25-2008, 05:48 PM
with wayne, it's being used as an EFFECT. if his producers wanted to portray him as a singer then they would. he's not. he's a rapper. when auto-tune is used to that degree it's simply an effect that sounds cool. as i already said, that has nothing to do with someone's inability to sing.
auto-tune for wayne is an effect. this isn't a matter of opinion. take a moment and actually listen to wayne's music. is the device used actually "correcting" anything? no. it's just wildly modulating pitches 'cause quite frankly it sounds neat. if they put a flanger on his voice would you be making the same argument?
how is anyone even arguing this. everyone knows this..
jeez guys
Raayl
08-25-2008, 05:52 PM
hey naut go listen to my new song and give me a critique as detailed as the one about solo bass
Joelbassman
08-25-2008, 11:13 PM
with wayne, it's being used as an EFFECT. if his producers wanted to portray him as a singer then they would. he's not. he's a rapper. when auto-tune is used to that degree it's simply an effect that sounds cool. as i already said, that has nothing to do with someone's inability to sing.
auto-tune for wayne is an effect. this isn't a matter of opinion. take a moment and actually listen to wayne's music. is the device used actually "correcting" anything? no. it's just wildly modulating pitches 'cause quite frankly it sounds neat. if they put a flanger on his voice would you be making the same argument?
Haha well maybe it's because I can't stand it and you can. I personally can't bear that horrible robotofied bullshit that's on most hip hop. But hey you might. So wouldn't you see it as an effect, and I, a horrible cover up of someone who can't sing?
i hate lil wayne, a lot. that's beside the point. whether one likes him or not is completely irrelevant to this discussion. i'm evaluating his music from the perspective of an engineer. no offense or anything, but one day you're gonna have to grow out of that highschool bubble of bias bullshit. we're talking about audio engineering tools and you're just stuck on how you don't like lil wayne. grow up.
So wouldn't you see it as an effect, and I, a horrible cover up of someone who can't sing?
you're trying to maintain ground by making this seem like an issue of differing opinions. it's not. it's a matter of right and wrong; and sorry...but you're wrong. :-/
EADGC
08-26-2008, 02:32 AM
Haha well maybe it's because I can't stand it and you can. I personally can't bear that horrible robotofied bullpoop that's on most hip hop. But hey you might. So wouldn't you see it as an effect, and I, a horrible cover up of someone who can't sing?
uh no. There is a lot more hip hop than what you see on TV.
and wow naut just owned you
Raayl
08-26-2008, 07:15 AM
lolocausting right now. ty naut.
now review my song
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