Help with Excerpts

[tomtom]

okay, so i have to do this viva voce tomorrow. i'm doing "Expressive Techniques Available for Solo Bass Guitar" so pretty much i'm gonna crap on about slapping, tapping, double thumbing and so on for 10 minutes.

what i need though, is excerpts demonstrating the techniques, because i can do them, jut not well. likie, i know them enough to give a basic demonstartion, but that's it. so anyway, i've found some Slapping and Double Thumbing, but i have no idea where to find some tapping.

just a name of a song will be plenty.

cheers :thumb:

[chronopops]

Maybe you shouldn't be teaching things that you don't have a firm grasp on. If you learn techniques, but ignore how to apply them, or how they have been applied then you're sort of missing the point.

[Joelbassman]

Overjoyed - Victor Wooten

Kind of easy. I can't really play it, and I'm okayish at tapping, so depending on your ability it might be okay.

Slapping/Double Thumbing: Power - Marcus Miller.

[tomtom]

Maybe you shouldn't be teaching things that you don't have a firm grasp on. If you learn techniques, but ignore how to apply them, or how they have been applied then you're sort of missing the point.

i don't have to TEACH them, it's an examination of my understanding of them, not my ability to play them. perhaps you shouldn't preach about subjects you don't have a firm grasp on? do you know what a viva voce is?

[tomtom]

Overjoyed - Victor Wooten

Kind of easy. I can't really play it, and I'm okayish at tapping, so depending on your ability it might be okay.

Slapping/Double Thumbing: Power - Marcus Miller.

cheers, i'll look it up

[Akira]

The only thing DTing really "expresses" is "I'm insecure and have to play a ton of notes to sound cool."

[Left Shoe]

same with fingerstyle, a true bassist doesnt even need to play notes to be secure

[:amaze:]

The only thing DTing really "expresses" is "I'm insecure and have to play a ton of notes to sound cool."

yeah ok.




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[EADGC]

If you have 10 minutes why'd you pick something so specific?

Also why did you pick something you weren't comfortable with?

fail

[Raayl]

lol guys lets be real. double thumbing is gay.

[EADGC]

lol guys lets be real. slap is gay.


fix'd

[BenJammin]

lol guys lets be real. bass is gay.
fix'd

Get it right. God.

[Akira]

lol guys lets be real. music is gay.
fix'd
Get it right. God.

Fix'd. Stop being stupid Ben.

[EADGC]

Bass is just fine when you don't slap it.

[BenJammin]

Bass is just fine when you play it with your left hand on a keyboard.

Fix'd.

You're getting careless.

[Phalanx]

what i need though, is excerpts demonstrating the techniques, because i can do them, jut not well. likie, i know them enough to give a basic demonstartion, but that's it. so anyway, i've found some Slapping and Double Thumbing, but i have no idea where to find some tapping.

just a name of a song will be plenty.

cheers :thumb:

I think there's a lot more to "solo" bass then slapping, double thumbing and tapping. Heck, I'd consider slapping to be purely rhythmic and almost impossible to apply to solo situations well (unless you're Marcus Miller).

Double thumbing is really gay as others have mentioned.

If you want tapping, you can check out Stuart Hamm's bass solo on youtube, that's a pretty obvious one.

[Raayl]

keyboards are lame

if you don't play guitar for dragonforce you're just wasting your time

[BenJammin]

I'm not Asian, so I don't qualify.

[Raayl]

I'm not Asian, so I don't qualify.

you don't have to be asian you just have to be awesome

[tomtom]

If you have 10 minutes why'd you pick something so specific?

Also why did you pick something you weren't comfortable with?

fail

cause i hate my music teacher, i hate the course and i wanted something easy i could talk about. i've done this viva before, and with a basic demonstration to show the technique, an example to show it played well, and some background information, all the things i'm going to talk about can take up 10 minutes.

just so you know, i'm going into more than just Slapping, Tapping and DT. there's Fretless bass as well, and all there effects and stuff that are out there, as well as all the usual stuff like bends, slides, and hammer-ons and pull-off.

i don't have to be comfortable with it, i just need to demonstrate the basic technique, which i can do. theoritically, i CAN slap, and Double Thumb, AND Tap. i just never put them into practice. which is why i want excerpts.

[Joelbassman]

Why couldn't you guys just name some songs rather than get into a debate about whether or not you like the mentioned techniques?

*waits for flame*

[Akira]

It's not my fault this forum can't take a joke.

[BenJammin]

Why couldn't you guys just name some songs rather than get into a debate about whether or not you like the mentioned techniques?

*waits for flame*

Because that would be far less fun.

[Raayl]

Why couldn't you guys just name some songs rather than get into a debate about whether or not you like the mentioned techniques?

*waits for flame*

lol dumb post is dumb

[EADGC]

i hate my music teacher, i hate the course

i don't have to be comfortable with it, i just need to demonstrate the basic technique, which i can do. theoritically, i CAN slap, and Double Thumb, AND Tap. i just never put them into practice. which is why i want excerpts.

Um if you can't put them into practice, then no you can't use the techniques.


i hate my music teacher, i hate the course

But at least you maintain a positive attitude :_?

[:amaze:]

Um if you can't put them into practice, then no you can't use the techniques.



are you stupid? he just said that he is capable of demonstrating the basic techniques, which is all that is required in the assignment.




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[Jimbobntnr]

keyboards are lame

if you don't play keytar you're just wasting your time
fixed.

are you stupid? he just said that he is capable of demonstrating the basic techniques, which is all that is required in the assignment.




:amaze:
he didn't say he could, he said "theoritically"(sic)

[:amaze:]

if you read it again, he said

i just need to demonstrate the basic technique, which i can do




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[BenJammin]

if you read it again, he said






:amaze:

Actually, right after that he said he could do it theoretically, which basically means "based on or calculated through theory rather than experience or practice."

[:amaze:]

ok but you don't need to be a tapping/slapping/dt master to be able to demonstrate how the technique works. you don't even need to be able to play passages. one can show how the thumb hits the string in slow motion to show how the technique works as a demonstration.

he claims that he can do this ... so i guess i believe him and you don't.




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[EADGC]

are you stupid? he just said that he is capable of demonstrating the basic techniques, which is all that is required in the assignment.




:amaze:

Being able to sloppily play one note or strike isn't going to interest anyone, and has little to no real world application. No one is going to know or care about the technique until they see how it's used to make listenable music.




:amaze:

[Az_Holl]

who gives a **** about real world application? Its high school man, its just a giant circle jerk

[:amaze:]

Being able to sloppily play one note or strike isn't going to interest anyone, and has little to no real world application. No one is going to know or care about the technique until they see how it's used to make listenable music.




:amaze:


...which is why he needs excerpts.


:rolleyes:




:amaze:

[EADGC]

...which is why he needs excerpts.


:rolleyes:




:amaze:

I think you're missing the point. It's not enough to just show the movement or play a few notes, you've got to actually play something musical with it to demonstrate use of the techniques in context. Technique is the mean to an end.

:rolleyes:



TS why don't you just improvise something?

[Joelbassman]

who gives a **** about real world application? Its high school man, its just a giant circle jerk

Thank god for Az Holl and Luke.:chug:

I think you're missing the point. It's not enough to just show the movement or play a few notes, you've got to actually play something musical with it to demonstrate use of the techniques in context. Technique is the mean to an end.

I think you're missing the point. He said he was going to play videos of people who can 'demonstrate use of techniques in context'. And he can't improvise because he's not good enough. Maybe as you guys pointed out, he doesn't want to learn 'insecure' techniques? But theoretically could if he wants. Stop being a dick and just help the guy. Jesus.

:smoke: That's better.

[EADGC]

I thought giving him tips on how to prevent his presentation from sucking was helping.

[Left Shoe]

yeah but since i assume he doesnt have enough time to write his own pieces using all of the techniques in time for a HIGH SCHOOL project, why dont you get off the high horse?

[:amaze:]

I think you're missing the point. It's not enough to just show the movement or play a few notes, you've got to actually play something musical with it to demonstrate use of the techniques in context. Technique is the mean to an end.

:rolleyes:



TS why don't you just improvise something?

no, you are clearly missing the point. HE IS GOING TO USE THE EXCERPTS TO DEMONSTRATE THE TECHNIQUES IN CONTEXT.

jesus ****ing christ, you are dense.




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[EADGC]

no, you are clearly missing the point. HE IS GOING TO USE THE EXCERPTS TO DEMONSTRATE THE TECHNIQUES IN CONTEXT.

jesus ****ing christ, you are dense.




:amaze:

I understand what he wants to do just fine, I just don't agree with it. I think he could make things a lot easier on himself.

The point I was making is that he's doing a 10 minute demonstration on a subject that he doesn't seem to know that much about (considering he has to ask for examples), and apparently doesn't have the ability to demonstrate by himself

on top of that it's very specific, especially for a style of music that is not very uncommon.

I don't think TS needs examples, I think he needs to rethink his topic. But if he's really set on doing this, I can provide tons of examples.

[EADGC]

yeah but since i assume he doesnt have enough time to write his own pieces using all of the techniques in time for a HIGH SCHOOL project, why dont you get off the high horse?

I suggested that he improvise, which wouldn't necessarily involve writing anything at all.

[:amaze:]

I understand what he wants to do just fine, I just don't agree with it. I think he could make things a lot easier on himself.

The point I was making is that he's doing a 10 minute demonstration on a subject that he doesn't seem to know that much about (considering he has to ask for examples), and apparently doesn't have the ability to demonstrate by himself

on top of that it's very specific, especially for a style of music that is not very uncommon.

I don't think TS needs examples, I think he needs to rethink his topic. But if he's really set on doing this, I can provide tons of examples.

he didn't make the thread to consider what topic he's doing. he came in here because he knows his topic and wants examples.




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[BenJammin]

Apparently he doesn't know it that well if he needed to ask us. :p

[EADGC]

Apparently he doesn't know it that well if he needed to ask us. :p

hi five

flip side

[BenJammin]

hi five

flip side

Down low

Too slow

[Left Shoe]

I suggested that he improvise, which wouldn't necessarily involve writing anything at all.

again, instead of critiquing the moral ethics of this insignificant presentation and turning this into a big deal, why dont you get off the high horse and provide those tons of examples you said you could provide.

[EADGC]

again, instead of critiquing the moral ethics of this insignificant presentation and turning this into a big deal, why dont you get off the high horse and provide those tons of examples you said you could provide.

ohmy****inggodforgetit

[EADGC]

Slap:

Victor Wooten - A Show Of Hands
Classical Thump
U Can't Hold No Groove
Me And My Bass Guitar

Jean Baudin - Be Like Water

Michael Manring - Helios
Excuse Me, Mr. Manring
Monkey Businessmen


Double Thumbing:

Victor Wooten - Classical Thump
U Can't Hold No Groove


Tapping:

Victor Wooten - More Love
Overjoyed
Justice
Ari's Eyes

Jean Baudin - Frosty Acres
Vanishing
Transcend
Albatross

George Smed - Chocolate Milk
Irish Spring
Rabbit Dew
Yesterday

Stu Hamm -
Moonlight Sonata
The Star Spangled Banner



um yah I was an active solo player for several years.

[:amaze:]

lol




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[EADGC]

Am I posting right yet

[:amaze:]

no you're cool i was laughing at something else.

hi five?




:amaze:

[EADGC]

no you're cool i was laughing at something else.

hi five?




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[Joelbassman]

Slap:

Victor Wooten - A Show Of Hands
Classical Thump
U Can't Hold No Groove
Me And My Bass Guitar

Jean Baudin - Be Like Water

Michael Manring - Helios
Excuse Me, Mr. Manring
Monkey Businessmen


Double Thumbing:

Victor Wooten - Classical Thump
U Can't Hold No Groove


Tapping:

Victor Wooten - More Love
Overjoyed
Justice
Ari's Eyes

Jean Baudin - Frosty Acres
Vanishing
Transcend
Albatross

George Smed - Chocolate Milk
Irish Spring
Rabbit Dew
Yesterday

Stu Hamm -
Moonlight Sonata
The Star Spangled Banner



um yah I was an active solo player for several years.

Now was that so hard? :thumb:

[Jody LeCompte]

The only thing DTing really "expresses" is "I'm insecure and have to play a ton of notes to sound cool."

Because you have to play fast double thumbing....

I use double thumbing because I nearly had my index finger torn off in the cardboard box bailer at work and the strain of popping the string back bothers me.

[EADGC]

9 times out of 10, double thumbing is used to do things that regular slap/thumb plucking can't do

amirite

[Left Shoe]

yes but there is no accounting for taste, i do it for timbre

[EADGC]

I have to say I've never felt the need for that particular sound, but I am a slap hater in general so

[Joelbassman]

Thumbing down past the string gives a completely different tone. I think Marcus Miller does it on Red Baron.

But yes you don't have to do it fast, just use it for fills or whatever.

'A good tradesman never blames his tools.' :P

[Left Shoe]

'A good tradesman never blames his tools.' :P

im kinda ****ed up right now, but what are you getting at here

[Joelbassman]

Well if we look at techniques as tools, if you don't like a technique it's maybe because you aren't doing it right or in an original creative way, at which someone might then hate the technique due to their inablity to use it. Get it now?

And I am in no way pointing fingers at all, but it could happen.