NFL 08 season

[Hababi]

starting a thread now ahead of the preseason. Michael Vick declared bankruptcy :D Hopefully he will be left penniless...

[Illmatic]

way to start the NFL thread with nothing related to actual football

[gmoneyguy]

rofl

Rams are going to be a bust... like every year since '03

[malaise]

rofl

Rams are going to be a bust... like every year since '03

Don't you say that. I have faith things are gonna turn around this year.

In all honesty though, they're probably gonna suck.

[Mute Requiem]

If the Steelers get their offensive line together they will be absolutely rolling bitches this year. Just sucks they have to play every playoff team from last year except the Packers and Seahawks.

Vikings also look pretty terrifying, but I feel like the QB situation will screw them over.

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

My Chiefs are rebuilding, got Dorsey and Flowers in the draft which is good because they need Defense really badly. I'm hoping to god Croyle is a good QB because that's the only problem on offense. Their OL is a little shaky but they have Bowe as a wideout, TG at TE, LJ in the backfield (even if he sucks their backup can do some damage)

We'll see!

Raiders are looking scary imo, Russell and McFadden on O, they haven't proven themselves yet but still, 2 young playmakers on offense together, not to mention the best CB tandem in the league, yikes.

Vikings are look good to for obvious reasons

Pats will go far again, same potent offense and a weak D, we'll see though.

Colts can go **** themselves

[ikikdababy]

My Chiefs are rebuilding, got Dorsey and Flowers in the draft which is good because they need Defense really badly. I'm hoping to god Croyle is a good QB because that's the only problem on offense. Their OL is a little shaky but they have Bowe as a wideout, TG at TE, LJ in the backfield (even if he sucks their backup can do some damage)

We'll see!

Raiders are looking scary imo, Russell and McFadden on O, they haven't proven themselves yet but still, 2 young playmakers on offense together, not to mention the best CB tandem in the league, yikes.

Vikings are look good to for obvious reasons

Pats will go far again, same potent offense and a weak D, we'll see though.

Colts can go **** themselves

The Raiders are still a joke... and that's not just the Chiefs fan in me talking.

Javon Walker is going to have to delay his flop-job a few weeks thanks to him getting his *** beat. Seriously though, between Walker, Kelly (who's good but not $55 mil-good), and Russell, I don't think there's ever been an NFL spending spree that will net so little actual production.

The Raiders suck.

The Chiefs are probably looking at another top-7 pick unfortunately, but honestly, we're so far away it wouldn't kill us to have another bad season. If we're not winning ten games, I'd rather see us lose 10. I'm tired of the 8-8, 7-9, 9-7 nonsense.

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

good points but still, I've been a Chiefs fan for my whole life and we've sucked since Derrick Thomas died in the 90's

We had that one good season where Priest Holmes utterly dominated the league but since then...nothing

I think the Browns are going to go far this season, they're gonna beat Pittsburgh for the division

[ikikdababy]

good points but still, I've been a Chiefs fan for my whole life and we've sucked since Derrick Thomas died in the 90's

We had that one good season where Priest Holmes utterly dominated the league but since then...nothing

I think the Browns are going to go far this season, they're gonna beat Pittsburgh for the division

I'm excited to see Glenn Dorsey in a Chiefs uniform. We may not win a lot of games this year, but I think we'll be fun to watch on defense.

[Hababi]

way to start the NFL thread with nothing related to actual football

I know, but I hate Vick and I was just too glad to see his new misfortune to let it go.

The Chiefs will probably be terrible this year. They have very few good players. Bowe is a great talent at WR, but they don't have a QB.

The Raiders will probably be worse though. Russell will be a bust.

[griftadan]

yay marion barber starting, i hope felix jones is better than julius jones

[MattSharpIsCool]

Raiders are looking scary imo, Russell and McFadden on O, they haven't proven themselves yet but still, 2 young playmakers on offense together, not to mention the best CB tandem in the league, yikes.

If Michael Huff can play better after switching to free safety, I think the Raiders can make a claim to best defensive backfield in the league.

The offense will have trouble, but it's improving. And the defense looks good enough to win some games for them.

I'm pretty confident they'll finish ahead of KC, and I don't see any reason they can't give Denver a run for 2nd in the AFC West.

Granted, that still doesn't equal a playoff spot, or even a .500 record, but they're taking steps.

[ikikdababy]

If Michael Huff can play better after switching to free safety, I think the Raiders can make a claim to best defensive backfield in the league.

The offense will have trouble, but it's improving. And the defense looks good enough to win some games for them.

I'm pretty confident they'll finish ahead of KC, and I don't see any reason they can't give Denver a run for 2nd in the AFC West.

Granted, that still doesn't equal a playoff spot, or even a .500 record, but they're taking steps.

The only thing DeAngelo Hall is good at is running his mouth. Seriously, he's the most over-rated player in the NFL. Huff has been pretty bad thus far. Gibril Wilson was a good player in NY and I've heard that he played really well during mini-camps and Asomugha is one of the best.

Those four have a ways to go to catch McAlister, Reed, Rolle, and Landry in Baltimore.

In fact, they might not even have the best secondary in the AFC West. Jammer, McCree, Weddle, and Cromartie could be better. That depends largely on the latter two continuing to progress, but I think continued progression is a safer bet than Huff taking a huge step forward after years of treading and Hall learning how to avoid getting burned 2-3 times a game (in spite of his self-proclaimed sub-4.2 speed) after an entire career of doing exactly that.

[Zmev]

Michael Vick declared bankruptcy Hopefully he will be left penniless...

You know declaring bankruptcy doesn't mean someone is necessarily out of cash right?

Either way I am hopeful this year will be better for the 49ers but it'd be hard for it to be worse. This year will determine if Alex Smith can be worth a damn or if we have to base our offense on Frank Gore and a third string QB who can only throw for 5 yards at a time. The receivers are still trash minus Arnez Battle who has had potential but never seems to be as good as he could be. We brought in Issac Bruce and Mike Martz to breathe life into this piece of **** offense so I'm hoping he doesn't abandon the run game and helps put more points on the board.

On the defensive side of the ball its good to see we drafted a DT who can play the nose and signed Justin Smith. Bryant Young retired which means no one on this team was on their last Super Bowl team so that era is officially over. Patrick Willis is still a beast and Clements/Harris give us a good backfield, still concerned about the D line play though.

Prediction: 7-9

[Illmatic]

You know declaring bankruptcy doesn't mean someone is necessarily out of cash right?

sshhhh...don't bother him with facts.

Either way I am hopeful this year will be better for the 49ers but it'd be hard for it to be worse. This year will determine if Alex Smith can be worth a damn or if we have to base our offense on Frank Gore and a third string QB who can only throw for 5 yards at a time. The receivers are still trash minus Arnez Battle who has had potential but never seems to be as good as he could be. We brought in Issac Bruce and Mike Martz to breathe life into this piece of **** offense so I'm hoping he doesn't abandon the run game and helps put more points on the board.

I hope you guys have a good offensive line, because Martz's offense depends on it or the quarterback will probably end up getting killed (look at what happened in Detroit, or the tail end of his time in St. Louis)

my quick pre-preseason division predictions:
AFC East: New England, Buffalo, Miami, NY Jets
NFC East: Dallas, Philly, NY Giants, Washington (note: the Giants could either win the NFC again or they could go 7-9, I never have any idea what to expect from them)
AFC North: Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Cincy, Baltimore
NFC North: Chicago, Minnesota, Green Bay, Detroit
AFC South: Indy, Jacksonville, Houston, Tennessee
NFC South: New Orleans, Tampa, Carolina, Atlanta
AFC West: San Diego, Denver, KC, Oakland
NFC West: Seattle, St. Louis, San Fran, Arizona

[gmoneyguy]

Don't you say that. I have faith things are gonna turn around this year.

In all honesty though, they're probably gonna suck.

I'd like to keep that faith.

[Hababi]

You know declaring bankruptcy doesn't mean someone is necessarily out of cash right?


That's why I said hopefully. He's a worthless human being.

[Illmatic]

That's why I said hopefully. He's a worthless human being.

I wouldn't go that far.

but again, Michael Vick has nothing to do with NFL football for the next year or so at the very least. let's avoid talking about him.

[apple pie]

Does anyone know if the browns are actually going to start Quinn over Anderson?

[Hababi]

not a chance. The only way Quinn starts this year is if Anderson fails or is injured. Anderson might well be another Kelly Holcolmb, as he has some of the same issues--despite a great arm, his mechanics aren't solid, and he will lock on receivers (Holcolmb did it with EVERY throw).

[MattSharpIsCool]

Anderson's production dropped towards the end of last season, so I'm not entirely sure he'll do so well this time around. He's a big guy with a big arm, which is why he was drafted. Those 19 picks last season show why he was drafted so late.

[Hababi]

It was essentially his rookie season, though (I think he had two starts in his prior two years). It could be that teams were figuring him out last year, or that he was tiring out since it was his first full season. I'm a bit inclined to believe the latter. Anderson has one of the best 5 arms in the league.

[MattSharpIsCool]

He does. He just wasn't necessarily drafted for his ability to read the field and make the smartest play.

I hope he can play well because he went to Oregon State, and that's close to where I live.

He has the ability, he just needs to not rely on that arm of his quite so much.

[apple pie]

He spread the ball around to Jurvancis, Winslow and Endwards, and now with the addition of Stallworth that he can dump the ball to he should be fine.

[beso negro]

i'm very dissapointed in Matt Jones. I really liked the guy but i expect the jaguars to cut him now.

[interviewer02]

So, Favre coming back or what?

[Hababi]

i'm very dissapointed in Matt Jones. I really liked the guy but i expect the jaguars to cut him now.

He needs a fresh start. The talent is there but he hasn't been able to put it together. Dallas would be a great fit for him.

EDIT: oh snap I just noticed the coke charges. Nm he's screwed what a bum

[Russell]

So, Favre coming back or what?

Probably, but the bigger question is, is it going to be with Green Bay?

[Hababi]

They should trade him to Baltimore.

[Russell]

ew why?

[Hababi]

Because the Packers need to turn to Aaron Rogers. If you don't do it now then you need to trade him, and then where will you be left when Favre retires again after this season? Trade him someplace where you won't have to face him. The Ravens would jump at the chance.

[Russell]

I was saying ew about the Ravens. I agree about trying to get Aaron Rodgers started.

[Hababi]

oh well the ravens are always desperate to win now.

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

farve to the chiefs

[Against Miik!]

Favre would be the biggest joke if he played one season for another team next year. Nothing good would come out of it. He's not gonna end up on any Super Bowl caliber teams, besides the Packers, and the Packers need to get Aaron Rodgers going. Best case scenario is he just stays retired.

[Zmev]

Dallas would be a great fit for him.

EDIT: oh snap I just noticed the coke charges. Nm he's screwed what a bum

Why do you think he said Dallas would be a good fit for him?

Only good thing that can come out of Farve coming back to the NFL is if he signs with a NFC North team and hilarity ensues. Other than that it's just another month of WILL HE COME BACK/WHAT TEAM WILL HE PLAY FOR/WHY WON'T HE STAY RETIRED

[descendents1]

madden curse

[Mute Requiem]

Every year I feel more and more inclined to believe that Favre is just a huge attention whore.

[Black Ink]

There's no way the Packers are going to manage a trade for Farve now that he's asked to be released. 1.) No team is willing to re-structure his contract and 2.) Brett Farve will probably stop any trade. The best thing for the Packers is release him as late as they possibly could so other teams have to invest time into other QB's and then may feel less inclined to bring Farve in.

I am super excited about my Cowboys this year. We're loaded in almost every aspect except for our Special teams play. Especially our coverage units. But if Adam Jones gets reinstated then our secondary, which was a concern last year, may become a strength this year. Roy Williams is in a put up or shut up position so I expect better play from him or be sure he wont be a Cowboy in 2009.

Romo, Barber, Witten, Ware, Newman and T.O should all have spectacular years.

[Zmev]

Adam Jones is a question mark since he hasn't played for a year and Roy Williams is only good at horse collaring people.

[Pariah]

lol pacman

[Black Ink]

I'll lol when he's a flop. But taking a 6th pick for a 4th round pick with a deal with no incentives but rather pay as you play and insurance against him being suspended within the current off season and season yet to be played I will take.

Just his punt return skills are worth it, let alone the fact that he can make it to be our 3rd and eventually 2nd starting cornerback.

Mind you we did draft Mike Jenkins (CB) in the first round as well, so he now has time to develop to learn if need be or be our 4th (or 3rd) CB, which means our depth at that position is deeper then it has been since the days of Deion Sanders and Larry Brown.

[Hababi]

Adam Jones will probably stick to being a punt returner and nickelback for a while.

[Pariah]

Or get arrested again and tossed from the league.

[Hababi]

Pacman's totally turning it around

I totally believe that

totally

[Pariah]

lol yeah

[Illmatic]

Pacman's totally turning it around

I totally believe that

totally

I genuinely believe it. I think he realizes this is pretty much his last good shot to turn things around.

I love how you hate giving people second chances.

[Hababi]

This isn't Pacman's second chance. This is like his fourth chance.

The Cowboys should get Matt Jones. He'll bring the coke, Pacman the guns and strippers and they'll have a mad party.

[Pariah]

Bring back Irvin.

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

they are the cowboys

[apple pie]

Matt Jones as in the ex Jag wide receiver?

[Hababi]

Matt Jones as in the coke snorting moron

actually same guy :o

[Black Ink]

Adam Jones will probably stick to being a punt returner and nickelback for a while.

He'll start out that way. Dallas is working on a new formation that has 4 CB's on the field. Jenkins and Jones on the outside, Newman at slot, and Henry moving to inside linebacker to cover the TE and then having Watkins and Hamlin in at safety.

Hopefully a good way to cover those 4 Wide out formations a lot of teams have been using.

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

by teams you basically mean the patriots

[Zmev]

thread needs more talk about farve

ok ill start

**** brett farve

[MattSharpIsCool]

It's too bad it's come to this for him. To go from one of the most liked players in the league to having people say "**** brett favre"

Debating retirement for the last 4 or 5 seasons should give him a hint that he's ready for it. There's nothing left for him to accomplish. He's got a Super Bowl, a couple MVP's, and a bunch of records. What else is there?

It's nice that a player loves the game enough that it's this hard for him to walk away, but how much is he going to love it when he's playing for Baltimore or Atlanta and his team wins 4 games?

[Zmev]

To be fair I've always hated him, but this recent stuff doesn't help.

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

yea, farve is kinda screwing over the Packers because they're ready to move on.

god dammit

[YDload]

Steelers are in trouble this year. They've got the hardest schedule in the league, and even if all the teams they play aren't as good as they were last year, they're still gonna be good enough to beat the Steelers if they decide to stop playing (like last year with the Jets and Broncos, the year before with the Raiders and Falcons, etc). And the one team they used to count on for an easy win is now threatening to take the whole division! This sucks.

But the thing about Derek Anderson is, I'm glad he's the QB for Cleveland. He's the only thing preventing them from winning more consistently because he doesn't realize how good his O-line is! As soon as the pocket starts to close, he panics and throws it at the receiver's feet. But does he actually get sacked? No way, because he's also got a quick release.

If Brady or Manning were on the Browns, they would have been undefeated last year. Yeah I know their defense still isn't good, but QBs like those two could easily put up enough points to make up the difference.

That's why, as a Steelers fan, I want to see Anderson be the QB forever. Not as good (bad) as Frye, but I'll still take it :evil:

[apple pie]

Anderson has more help with the addition of Stallworth who is traditionaly a threw the middle WR.

[beso negro]

Skins get Taylor.

Mistake I think. They aren't going to compete this year and Taylor has said he may play only 1 more year. A second round pick for that? I would understand if he was going to put them over the top but they are about to fall a mile short. Horrible team they will be putting on the field this year. I hate Dan Snyder.

[Mute Requiem]

Shockey's now a Saint

That should be interesting

[YDload]

i've always hated shockey solely because of his stupid face. looks like a retarded jeff daniels. i think it was the one thing keeping me from enjoying the otherwise exciting Giants, and i was so glad that they won the Super Bowl without him.

[MattSharpIsCool]

Skins get Taylor.

Mistake I think. They aren't going to compete this year and Taylor has said he may play only 1 more year. A second round pick for that? I would understand if he was going to put them over the top but they are about to fall a mile short. Horrible team they will be putting on the field this year. I hate Dan Snyder.

I think they'll be good enough to make the playoffs, and it's cliche, but once you get that far, anything really is possible. Especially in the NFC.

Not that I'm saying I think they're going to make a Super Bowl run, or that I even really think it was a good trade, but they should be a playoff team.

[apple pie]

lol i know a guy named Dan Synder, he was the Julius Campbell version of my high school football team

[YDload]

did he trade away up-and-coming junior-high kids to other school districts for established seniors?

[Mute Requiem]

I don't understand how Snyder hasn't figured out throwing around mad cash doesn't really work in the NFL.

But then again the Redskins are the most profitable team in the NFL (I think) so I guess he doesn't really care.

[Yozzy]

From the looks of it the Saints did so much I think they are gonna be Superbowl contenders this year. I mean Jermey Shockey, John Vilma, Randal Gay, Sedrick Ellis, Grammatica, Dan Morgan, Jerametrius Butler, Aaron Glenn, + Colston gets better every year and McAlister in back from injury. They will be unstoppable this year

[MattSharpIsCool]

Gramatica is not a very good kicker, Dan Morgan will be lucky to play 4 games this season, and Aaron Glenn is like 70 years old.

They could make a super bowl push, but they might just repeat last season, also.

Their offense will be scary, though. Especially if Deuce can come back at full-strength. Reggie Bush apparently can't carry the load himself, but put a 20 carry back in the backfield, and Reggie can be good at his own thing.

[beso negro]

I think they'll be good enough to make the playoffs, and it's cliche, but once you get that far, anything really is possible. Especially in the NFC.

Not that I'm saying I think they're going to make a Super Bowl run, or that I even really think it was a good trade, but they should be a playoff team.

You're insane. The Cowboys will win the division everyone knows that. The Giants will finish 2nd at worst. The Skins don't have a chance unless Campbell turns the corner. He looks like a bust to me.

[MattSharpIsCool]

Eh, I don't follow the NFC East much. Maybe I'm wrong, but they'll at least be better this season.

And I don't care what anyone says, I'm still not sold on Eli Manning, and I'm still not sold on the Giants. They won the Super Bowl because Eli finally had a few good games in a row, instead of throwing for 300 and 4 touchdowns one week, followed by 70 yards and 3 picks the next.

If he can put together a full season, then ok, I'll buy it. But until then, I don't think they have any chance of repeating. Plus, losing Strahan is going to hurt that pass rush, which is the other reason they won. They'll still get to the QB, but they just lost a 10-15 sack guy.

Also, losing Shockey sucks. Kevin Boss has nice hands, but he's not a blocker, and he's not a gamechanger. Shockey was both.

[Black Ink]

Also, losing Shockey sucks. Kevin Boss has nice hands, but he's not a blocker, and he's not a gamechanger. Shockey was both.

Actually he was a better blocker than Shockey. Their yards per run went up with him blocking over Shockey.

[MattSharpIsCool]

That could also be due to the fact they had Ahmad Bradshaw and Brandon Jacobs in the backfield while Boss was playing. They had Derrick Ward and Reuben Droughns back there before Shockey got hurt.

Just watch Boss play. He's a decent enough receiver, and he at least tries to jump in there and block, but he's just not very good at it. Shockey wasn't the best blocker either, but he was at least average.

[Black Ink]

Maybe true, but it was still Boss' first year playing and he's got plenty of potential. Shockey has also shown that the one thing he is consistent with other than running his mouth is that he gets hurt every year. I don't know any Giants fans that are overly sad to see him go(some are even glad), and I know plenty of them living around here.

[apple pie]

im sacred for the browns, they sched is hard.

[MattSharpIsCool]

Maybe true, but it was still Boss' first year playing and he's got plenty of potential. Shockey has also shown that the one thing he is consistent with other than running his mouth is that he gets hurt every year. I don't know any Giants fans that are overly sad to see him go(some are even glad), and I know plenty of them living around here.

Ya, I hope Boss can keep improving. He played at Western Oregon, which is a tiny little university about 45 minutes from here that plays like Division Nothing. I'm pretty sure he's the first player from the school to play in the NFL. So I'd like to see him succeed.

[Black Ink]

I hope he flops, but only cause I'm a Cowboys fan.

[MattSharpIsCool]

Haha well of course you do.

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

I'm not sold on Eli either

he still looks like a little bitch to me

[YDload]

then i guess the Patriots got bitch-slapped

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

yessir

[YDload]

but anyway, i think it's neat that of the first three QBs selected in the 04 draft, it's possible that none of them will be busts. compare that with the 99 draft and its 1-2-3 selection of Tim Couch/McNabb/Akili Smith.

[Illmatic]

everybody knows that Cade McNown was the true gem of the class of '99

[hXcPLISIT]

Brodie Croyle for MVP.

[Mute Requiem]

but anyway, i think it's neat that of the first three QBs selected in the 04 draft, it's possible that none of them will be busts. compare that with the 99 draft and its 1-2-3 selection of Tim Couch/McNabb/Akili Smith.

Two of them have already won a Super Bowl, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Chargers won one in the next couple of years as well. Ben will probably come away with at least another one before it's all said and done. And if the Eli of the playoffs decides to stick around, this class could be seen as similar to the Class of '83.

Or Ben could die in a motorcycle accident, Eli reverts back to retardation, and Rivers gets shot for being a dick. Either one's possible.

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

Croyle better get the mvp

[apple pie]

Boldin wont be playing this year.

[UserNamesSuck]

This is going to be an exciting year. I cant wait. I'll make my playoff predictions.

NFC East
1. z- Washington
2.y-Dallas
3. New York
4. Philly

NFC North
1.*- Minnesota
2.y- Green Bay
3. Detroit
4. Chicago

NFC South
1.z- New Orleans
2. Tampa Bay
3. Carolina
4. Atlanta

NFC West
1.z- Arizona
2. Seattle
3. San Francisco
4. St. Louis



AFC East
1.z New England
2.y Buffalo
3. NY Jets
4. Miami

AFC North
1.* Cleveland
2. Pittsburgh
3. Baltimore
4. Cincy

AFC South
1.z Indianapolis
2.y- Tennessee
3. Jacksonville
4. Houston

AFC West
1.z San Diego
2. Oakland
3. Denver
4. Kansas City


y - Clinched Wild Card, z - Clinched Division
* - Clinched Division and Homefield Advantage


Super Bowl
Cleveland 24 vs Minnesota 13

Titans are going to be a force to be reconed with as well. Keep an eye out. Arizona has a surprisingly strong year. This is the Redskins year to take the NFC East (the strongest division in football) and make a run to the NFC championship. Pats lose steam in the playoffs.

Cowboys choke again.

[YDload]

lmao homefield advantage for Cleveland. they have to play the AFC South and NFC East

[Mute Requiem]

That, the fact Derek Anderson sucked the last half of the year, and that they probably have the worst secondary in the league. I doubt the Browns will win the division, let alone win the entire AFC.

The rest of your picks are reasonable though, except switch Dallas and Washington.

[apple pie]

Arizona wont make it, they lost Boldin who is almost as good as Larry.

[Erratic]

Lamont Jordan got picked up by the Patriots. Also, Brett Favre better not ****ing come back.

[YDload]

lol Lamont Jordan. i guess we'll see just how much of a miracle worker Belichick is. i mean, Randy Moss was also an underachieving Raider, but he had talent too.

[beso negro]

That, the fact Derek Anderson sucked the last half of the year, and that they probably have the worst secondary in the league. I doubt the Browns will win the division, let alone win the entire AFC.

lol who else could win the division? Baltimore? rofl. Cincy? It would take a miracle. Pittsburgh? Too tough of a schedule and the Browns are a better team anyways so not likely.

[Mute Requiem]

The Browns play the same schedule minus two games, so both of their schedules are pretty shitty. The Steelers offense is just as loaded as the Browns, and the Steelers defense is better because they actually have a secondary.

I see the Browns getting into a lot of shootouts this year, and you don't win Super Bowls getting into shootouts.

[beso negro]

the browns won't even make it to the superbowl. but their offense is much better than the steelers come on. yea Roethlisberger >>>> Anderson but Anderson has better weapons and a far superior OL.

[Hababi]

The Browns' secondary sucks, who knows if the RB will hold up, and Anderson could either play really well (first half of the season) or poorly (second half).

[UserNamesSuck]

Saying a team has no chance of making it to the superbowl before the season has even started is arrogant. Every team has a chance.

Nobody gave the Giants a chance after they went 0-2 the first 2 games of the season. What did they do? Beat the all mighty undefeated Patriots in the super bowl.

[Mute Requiem]

The Giants won that Super Bowl with defense, which is my point. You won't win it all unless your defense plays well. The Colts the year before won their Super Bowl with defense, not with Peyton Manning. Stranger things have happened, but I really don't see the Browns defense being capable of stopping the best offenses in the NFL at all.

[Illmatic]

but I really don't see the Browns defense being capable of stopping the best offenses in the NFL at all.

which is what people said about the Colts before they won in the Super Bowl

edit - so the Bears finally paid Devin Hester. part of the contract gives him a $10 million bonus if he performs at a high level at WR. considering how cheap the Bears owners are, I guess now we know why they're going with Grossman and Orton at QB for another year.

[Mute Requiem]

Good point

But **** the Browns anyway

[Illmatic]

if the Giants proved anything all you need to do is get there and string together 3 or 4 good games in a row. maybe the Browns defense won't be that great, but who's to say they can't put together enough stops in the playoffs to win it?

then again in July anyone can win the Super Bowl.

[YDload]

the Browns might be able to beat SOME teams in offensive shootouts *coughbengalscough* but for teams like the Pats or Colts you also need a good pass rush.

if the Browns win the Super Bowl (and they didnt beat the Steelers in the playoffs to get there) then i will be patronizingly happy for them. like "aww, good for you :):)"

but also i will hate them.

[Illmatic]

the Browns might be able to beat SOME teams in offensive shootouts *coughbengalscough* but for teams like the Pats or Colts you also need a good pass rush.

if the Browns win the Super Bowl (and they didnt beat the Steelers in the playoffs to get there) then i will be patronizingly happy for them. like "aww, good for you :):)"

but also i will hate them.

that's how I feel about the Lions. when they started out hot last year I figured I'd let them have the division/playoff berth because they haven't had anything to cheer about in like 10 years.

then of course they self destructed like they always do.

[Black Ink]

AFC South
1.z Indianapolis
2.y- Tennessee
3. Jacksonville
4. Houston


I'll be surprised if Tennessee is above .500 this season. I predict Houston will be a big surprise this year.

[Illmatic]

I think everyone in that division will be over .500 this year.

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

I think the Jags will be able to beat the colts both times this year

just going on a limb here

[YDload]

they cant even sweep the Texans! the only team they beat consistently is... the Steelers :angry:

[Mute Requiem]

If the Jags were in any other division I could see them being a 2 seed this year. Just sucks that division is absolutely loaded, they'll all beat up on each other. It'll probably be the same old as the other years, Colts win the division, Jags grab the WC.

The Texans are kind of an enigma though, will they finally break through or will they toil around .500 again?

[YDload]

Well they've finally gotten a defense, so they're halfway to being a solid team. Actually, I'd say more than halfway cause defense wins championships :cool:

They might even have a running game if Steve Slaton fares well at the next level. Defense + running game is good for a "smash-mouth" team if that's what they're aiming for.

[hXcPLISIT]

..well it's not like they can air it out.

[MattSharpIsCool]

They might even have a running game if Steve Slaton fares well at the next level. Defense + running game is good for a "smash-mouth" team if that's what they're aiming for.

Slaton hardly fits the mold of "smash-mouth" runner, though. The guys weighs like 140 pounds.

I think the Texans might surprise. If Schaub can stay healthy and show some more improvement, I think they have enough offense, mixed with their above-average defense, to win 9 or 10 games.

I don't see a playoff berth, though.

[apple pie]

do you think Delhomme will stay healthy, because Delhomme to Smith is a amazing combo.

[MattSharpIsCool]

Ya I think he'll be fine. Tommy John Surgery must suck, but I think it's easier for a NFL quarterback to come back from it than a MLB pitcher. As long as Delhomme doesn't start throwing sliders he should be fine.

[Against Miik!]

As for the Browns thing, Anderson started to suck last year for a few reasons. First, defenses began to figure him out. Second, it was essentially his rookie season. He didn't put up half bad numbers for a technical rookie. It being his first full season, the fatigue may have gotten to him. Also, he had to play a handful of games in the cold cold Cleveland weather. One of his last games last season was in a legitimate blizzard, and he did all he needed to do to get the win.

Not saying he won't face those same challenges this year, but with a year under his belt, those things won't be as big a shock.

The raw talent it there, and he has the weapons, so I see no reason why he can't be a capable starting NFL quarterback.

I don't think the Browns will get to the Super Bowl this year, but they will most certainly make the playoffs. You think Anderson's performance declined at the end of last season? Look at the entire Steelers team. The schedule is tough, but as was mentioned, the whole division plays a similar schedule, and Cinci and Baltimore are jokes. They can only get better this year, as they are a young team, and of Stalworth as a underneath possession type guy, along with a healthy Jurevicious should mean no problems for Anderson.

As for the secondary issue, the secondary is only as good as the guys up front. If they don't bring the pressure, the secondary will be sitting ducks. The Browns were 30th in total defense last year, and 27th in sacks. The defensive line upgrades mean that the secondary can only, and will, get better, and guys like Kameron Wimbley can really shine again.

Not trying to sound like a homer, I think that was a pretty impartial analysis.

[MattSharpIsCool]

The defensive line is improved, and that will help the secondary. But no matter how you look at it, the secondary has some issues. The Browns should make the playoffs, maybe even win their division, but a deep playoff run most likely won't happen this season.

That offense, though. If they can keep everyone together, they should be a pretty good team for awhile.

[YDload]

You think Anderson's performance declined at the end of last season? Look at the entire Steelers team.

because Aaron Smith went out for the season after the Patriots game. he really is that big of a deal.

[Mute Requiem]

That's one thing I'm really worried about for the year, the D-line depth. Eason and Kirschke both suck, and all 3 starters are 30 or older. Not to mention that Casey has decided to become fat beyond the point of use. Unless McBean turns into a gem or they pick up Booger McFarland, I could see some defensive issues similar to what the Steelers saw the end of last year.

[Poet]

Ya I think he'll be fine. Tommy John Surgery must suck, but I think it's easier for a NFL quarterback to come back from it than a MLB pitcher. As long as Delhomme doesn't start throwing sliders he should be fine.

lol. Delhomme was tearing it up the first two games last year before he got hurt. I predict Carolina will surprise people like they did in 03. The defense is good enough, and a revamped o-line plus the additions of DJ Hackett, the return of Moose, and the arrival a healthy Johnathan Stewart, makes the Panthers a contender once again. Hopefully the move to RE will help Peppers game out and he will be the beast he once was.

Oh Jon Beason is 100% beast.

[apple pie]

^^ that sounded like TSN. Anyways Delhomme is an underrated QB when he is healthy he is pretty good.

[hXcPLISIT]

^^ that sounded like TSN. Anyways Delhomme is an underrated QB when he is healthy he is pretty good.

nice avatar

[ikikdababy]

and of Stalworth as a underneath possession type guy

You think Stallworth is an "underneath possession type guy"? Really?


with a healthy Jurevicious should mean no problems for Anderson.

Jurevicious is still recovering from yet another cleanup surgery on that knee. Last I heard, he might be retiring.

[Poet]

I am quite :( that no one has mentioned the TE Cleveland drafted in Martin Rucker.

[Against Miik!]

Stallworth will play that roll because Braylon Edwards is a great big play deep threat receiver. It's good that Stallworth has some versatility though.

As for Jurevicious, he will not be back by training camp, but even after the surgery, he has claimed that he will do everything he can to play one more season.

I'm surprised Rucker dropped to the fourth round. He could be a starting TE on a lot of teams. I see him being a big threat in the red zone. Putting Winslow, Edwards, Rucker, and possibly Jurevicious in the back of the endzone would be absurd, given that the shortest guy is Edwards at 6'3" (plays even taller than that).

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

Edwards is a ****ing monster, he's bascially the next Randy Moss. Catch anything

[Thor]

Do we have any other Browns fans in the house?

[Poet]

Nope, I am a Panther fan :). Only reason I mentioned Cleveland was because they have Rucker and Mizzou is my favorite college team.

[Thor]

Yeah I'm not really surprised by that. I live in NC but I just can't get with the Panthers, what with Vinny Testaverde being a million years old and all. :lol:

The only player I really like on that team is Peppers, mainly because he used to go to UNC.

[apple pie]

Even without Joe, the browns offense is scary.

[apple pie]

who is Ravens QB, now that MCnair is gone, Kyle Boler?

[Zmev]

Either him,Flacco, or Troy Smith.

[Against Miik!]

Flacco is a joke. I hate the guy, but the job is Smith's if he wants to step up. None of them are a long term answer though.

[Thor]

Even without Joe, the browns offense is scary.
Damn straight. Too bad our defense is kind of shaky.

According to the injury report, Joe should maybe be able to practice by tomorrow. I hope so

[Hababi]

Flacco is a joke. I hate the guy, but the job is Smith's if he wants to step up. None of them are a long term answer though.

We have no clue about Flacco, though he seems a lot like Kyle Boller to me. I think Boller will come out on top to start the season, but they'll be playing musical chairs with the spot.

[apple pie]

Damn straight. Too bad our defense is kind of shaky.

According to the injury report, Joe should maybe be able to practice by tomorrow. I hope so

the 17-1 Pats won primarly with there Offense tho. well arugably, like there defense didnt really have to even show up.

[Rams]

Just to give you guys a reason to hate the Pats this year

Hold on for this one: I heard from someone who is close to the case that there is a sex tape of Bill Belichick banging the married woman he had an affair with. I **** you not. The husband who is suing that woman for being unfaithful to him has a tape of his wife and Belichick screwing while the two of them were still married. Belichick is a very powerful man so I imagine he's doing everything in his power to squash this from getting out but it could only be a matter of time. A part of me doesn't want to see it but another part of me can't help but be intrigued.

-Tom Casale

[YDload]

nice try, but i hate the Pats every year! besides, since when does belichick NOT videotape things? less of a scandal and more of an obvious fact

[Mute Requiem]

I wouldn't mind if the Patriots were hit by a plague of Ebola

[YDload]

ebola won't affect belichick because he has no blood (heart of ice)

[Mute Requiem]

Then maybe a severe shortage of sweatshirts or something

[Black Ink]

I'd rather it be Brady then Manning with the knee infection or whatever he's got.


T. Newman has a sprained groin and now Ware sat out a few practices cause he got dinged in the head in a helmet to helmet. We need to stop hurting our own players.

[Thor]

ebola won't affect belichick because he has no blood (heart of ice)
this tiimes a million

[Poet]

:lol:@Steve Smith punching Ken Lucas yesterday morning at Panthers camp. From what I have read, I don't think much will happen to Smith. If the Panthers were to suspend him, they'd be stupid getting rid of their best player for the first four games.

[Thor]

Sucks for the Panthers, but Smith deserves it. Guy seriously needs to chill the **** out.

[apple pie]

well when you are a top 3 WR in the league, playing for a average team youd get pissed to. And didnt Boldin who got ingerued today, say he will never play for the Cards again?

[YDload]

i wouldnt call steve smith one of the top three WR in the league. maybe for his height though HAHAHA

also there are no good receivers left on the Panthers besides him, so hope he enjoys getting double-teamed all year

[Poet]

well when you are a top 3 WR in the league, playing for a average team youd get pissed to.
If everyone stays healthy, this isn't an average team


also there are no good receivers left on the Panthers besides him, so hope he enjoys getting double-teamed all year

Moose can still catch and they brought in DJ Hackett. Also Jason Carter has been a big stand out in camp. WR is a position like RB where ANYONE can have a big year. Hell, Will Franklin is going to be the Chiefs 1 or 2 WR when he was like the fourth best option at Mizzou.

[apple pie]

Bowe or Bowie the KC wide receiver was stellar last year.

[Against Miik!]

Yeah the Chiefs are gonna be bad for a while. Like, some of the individual talent is there, but they don't have enough to put it all together. Even though the division kind of sucks, besides San Diego, they probably don't even have what it takes to get a Wild Card spot, given the strength of the AFC south, the Browns and Steelers in the North, and the Pats and Bills in the east.

[YDload]

are you saying this before or after you learned that Glenn Dorsey sprained his knee and could miss the rest of camp?

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

chiefs are ****ed

[Against Miik!]

are you saying this before or after you learned that Glenn Dorsey sprained his knee and could miss the rest of camp?

Before, actually. But now I'm convinced. No way does Dorsey stay injury free during the regular season, especially if he is already having issues.

[YDload]

i will always hate the Chiefs for taking the best guard in the draft when the Steelers really could have used one, and then turning him into a tackle when there were still half a dozen good tackles left on the board. **** YOU HERM

[Against Miik!]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/powerranking?season=2008&week=0

Don't know if this has been posted yet.

Honestly, I can't believe the Lions are so low. I mean, I know they aren't gonna be great for a while, but 29th?

[Erratic]

The Patriots have the NFL's easiest schedule? Oh god.

[illpressureurhinges1]

All I gots to say is... GO VIKINGS!!!

[Hababi]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/powerranking?season=2008&week=0

Don't know if this has been posted yet.

Honestly, I can't believe the Lions are so low. I mean, I know they aren't gonna be great for a while, but 29th?

yeah, how does Oakland get ranked above SF and Detroit? :p

[Pariah]

Chargers #3, not bad...

[Black Ink]

:lol:@Steve Smith punching Ken Lucas yesterday morning at Panthers camp. From what I have read, I don't think much will happen to Smith. If the Panthers were to suspend him, they'd be stupid getting rid of their best player for the first four games.

2 game suspension handed out.

The Patriots have the NFL's easiest schedule? Oh god.

Yay being in the AFC East and playing the NFC West!

[Jaymz Hetfield]

Tampa Bay is going all the way this year. And if you don't believe me...then I got 2 words for ya: Jeff Garthia.

[MattSharpIsCool]

yeah, how does Oakland get ranked above SF and Detroit? :p

Because they at least have a defense and what should be a good running game. Jamarcus hasn't played yet, but you have to assume the potential for big plays will at least be there, which you can't say about San Fran, with Alex Smith.

[illpressureurhinges1]

Vikings should be higher... They would be a Superbowl team if they had a good quarterback. Maybe Tavaris can step it up this year.

[YDload]

maybe the packers will trade favre there lol

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

i hope so

or the bears :cool:

speaking of bears, another terrible season is in store for us

[Black Ink]

Jeff Garthia.

lol

[Jaymz Hetfield]

I think the Bears are underrated....that defense is potentially Top 5 if they can stay healthy. Forte is probably a good bit better than Benson....and yeah the QB situation is scary. But if that D plays well and they can run the ball, they'll be able to connect on a few bombs to Hester(along with his special teams play), maybe enough to win a bunch of games. That division, I'm not sold on the Vikings...or the Packers either if Favre isn't starting. And the Lions, lol. But yeah they could end up sucking it up too. Crazy stuff happens and teams come out of nowhere every single year, so who knows. What is for certain is Tampa representing the NFC in the Superbowl.

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

tampa?

im going with cowboys

oh and the bears will find a way to crash and burn, it's the chicago luck with sports teams

[Jaymz Hetfield]

The Cowboys are so loaded that it's hard NOT to pick them....but Romo hasn't proven that he can do it in the playoffs. And all those personalities, it could all finally be too much for Wade Phillips this year. Also, that division is brutal. I wouldn't be ALL that surprised if they missed the playoffs completely. But yeah obviously on paper, they're ridiculous.

[illpressureurhinges1]

maybe the packers will trade favre there lol

Maybe. But I doubt it. That could be the missing piece for their Superbowl run though.

[Rams]

A guy who throws a lot of interceptions? People need to realize that last year was Favre's best season since 96 and probably won't duplicate it again. He's old and takes a lot of chances which he used to be able to get away with.

[illpressureurhinges1]

That can't be any worse than Tavaris Jackson...

[Erratic]

You could be Vinny Testaverte

[illpressureurhinges1]

Yah... Anyways...

[Zmev]

I want Farve on the Vikings just to make chaos in GB

[illpressureurhinges1]

That would definitely be interesting. When I first heard that they were supposedly talking to him, I was suprised. I don't think the Packers would let it happen though just because it would be interdivision.

[Jaymz Hetfield]

Favre to the Vikes wouldn't be as great a move as people seem to think....Brett is historically a crappy dome player. He'd almost certainly be better than T Jackson, but he wouldn't take that team to the Superbowl. We all saw how Brett has done for most of the past decade with crappy receivers(until last year, when Jennings caught on and Driver continued to do what he does). He needs to just come to Tampa, but nobody is gonna trade a 1st round pick to GB for him.

[UserNamesSuck]

The Redskins looked really good last night against the Colts. Campbell looked pretty good, and Colt Brennan looked amazing in his debut.


Go skins!

[Erratic]

Jim Sorgi lol

[Poet]

You could be Vinny Testaverte

shut up. He did ok for Carolina lol.

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

erratic where in Indy do you live?

oh and you guys guess what, im going to the Colts vs. Patriots game, my dad got tickets for the Sunday night game

helllll yea

[descendents1]

Because they at least have a defense and what should be a good running game. Jamarcus hasn't played yet, but you have to assume the potential for big plays will at least be there, which you can't say about San Fran, with Alex Smith.

yeah i guess

oakland is going to suck ***, jamarcus has potential for big plays based on speculation. their offensive line is a joke and their running game will suffer because of it. their defense hasn't been the same since 2005.

san francisco at least has mike martz to head the offense and it makes sense that vernon davis and frank gore will be able to make a bigger difference in the long run than a young qb like russell. alex smith will play a much different role in that offense. the raiders have sucked and it'll be 2 years until they get decent.

i say san fran goes 8-8 this year while oakland finishes 6-10

[Thor]

I wouldn't even give Oakland that good of a record tbh

[descendents1]

their schedule isn't looking too hot, especially on the road. that shouldnt make too big of a difference though since apparently they can't win at home (2-6 last year home and away)

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

god i hate watching espn because everything is about favre and it just got worse :(

[Poet]

Favre has his own section on the ticker at the bottom.

[Squirrel]

alright guys im an englishman and im kinda trying to get into NFL, i know the rules, some teams, a few players etc but yeah, i kinda want to make this one of my big sports [second to boxing]

ive seen a few games and shi and they were a good watch so i think all i can do is like it more once i know whats going on, more players etc

so yeah basically i just picked a random team to follow seeing as i have no affiliations with the states, and i ended up picking the st louis rams, so can anyone give me a heads up about them, how good they are, the pros/cons, players etc.

yeah kinda dumb post but hopefully ill be posting a lot here so yeah, any input?

[YDload]

you might want to pick a team that's gonna be nationally televised a lot. the rams are in a rebuilding mode after a terrible injury-plagued 2007 season, so i wouldnt go with them just yet. just ask fellow foreign football fan Liberi how much he enjoys following the Rams!

easiest teams to follow:
Cowboys
Bears
Patriots
Colts
Steelers
Giants
Packers

Also this year's Wembley game is Chargers vs. Saints so you could also pick one of those.

[Pariah]

Also this year's Wembley game is Chargers vs. Saints so you could also pick one of those.

Pick them.

[Squirrel]

Ok, i was about ask out of those two who to pick but Chargers it is :)

I didnt pick the Patriots initially cause i'd heard they were fantstic and I didnt want people to think I picked them just to follow a successful team.

So, the Chargers are from San Diego right? Any particular stand-out players?

[Jaymz Hetfield]

Get ready for the Bucs to make the Favre trade. Homefield Superbowl, it'll be nice.

[YDload]

you could say the Chargers have the best player

http://sportswrap.berecruited.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/ladainian%20tomlinson%20ap%20dennis%20poroy.jpg

[Squirrel]

Haha, America in a nutshell :p

How good is Steven Jackson from the Rams?

[sorry for all these retarded questions btw, my knowledge is poor at best]

[Jaymz Hetfield]

Stephen Jackson is a Top 5 running back in the league. Torry Holt is still one of the best WR's, and Marc Bulger is probably still a Top 15 QB. The Rams also have a young, athletic defensive line with huge upside. Other than that, the D stinks(as usual) and they probably won't make the playoffs, even in the weak NFC West.

[YDload]

Stephen Jackson has POTENTIAL to be one of the best RBs in the league, but the Rams' O-line is starting to fall apart. I like watching giant running backs plow through people (like Brandon Jacobs and MBIII) but Jackson isn't gonna get it done as consistently with that team.

[Squirrel]

Pretty cool dreads tho amirite.

Whos your team YDload? [sorry, i dont know your name]

[YDload]

my team is the Steelers. they won the Super Bowl a few years back, so that was neat to experience. but they've got a tough schedule and O-line problems that might prevent them from even making the playoffs this year :(

[Squirrel]

Steelers werent half bad on madden 05, thats all i know :p

And that theyre from pittburgh

man my knowledge of this sport blows

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

its all good, just keep posting and reading this thread

my team(s) are the Kansas City Chiefs - they're really bad right now, really young and rebuilding so meh

New England Patriots - Really amazing, went undefeated last year but lost the Super bowl, their offense is amazing, if you want to watch a team crush a defense, this is the team. defense is mediocre

Chicago Bears - I live in Chicago so yea, their defense has the potential to be top 5, but their offense is terrible


The Chargers are really good, some of the most talented players in the league on that team and will be looking to make a super bowl run this year

[MattSharpIsCool]

yeah i guess

oakland is going to suck ***, jamarcus has potential for big plays based on speculation. their offensive line is a joke and their running game will suffer because of it. their defense hasn't been the same since 2005.

san francisco at least has mike martz to head the offense and it makes sense that vernon davis and frank gore will be able to make a bigger difference in the long run than a young qb like russell. alex smith will play a much different role in that offense. the raiders have sucked and it'll be 2 years until they get decent.

i say san fran goes 8-8 this year while oakland finishes 6-10

Oakland's offensive line sucked last year too, and yet they were still one of the top rushing teams in the league. And that was with Lamont Jordan and Dominic Rhodes backing up. Darren McFadden is a much more explosive player than either of them.

And their defense is easily their strong point. The run defense isn't great, but hopefully having Tommy Kelly back healthy lining up next to Terdell Sands will help. And getting Gibril Wilson at safety will make a difference.

6-10 is probably a decent prediction for them. But I think the potential is there for an 8-8 season, really.

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

and they have the best cornerback tandem in the league

[YDload]

DeAngelo Hall sucks.

[MattSharpIsCool]

He's overrated but I wouldn't say he sucks. Still a starting caliber corner. He's gonna get a chance to show his skills this year though, because Namdi's side of the field is in lockdown.

[YDload]

yeah and everyone would throw to Hall's side of the field anyway, because he always goes for the pick and whiffs on it, leaving the receiver to catch the ball and run all the way down the field.

[MattSharpIsCool]

Kinda reminds me of Philip Buchanon who used to play in Oakland. It was all or nothing, either he'd take the pick back for a touchdown, or he'd get beat and the 6 would go the other way.

Can't be any worse than Charles "oops a 55 yard pass interference penalty" Woodson.

[YDload]

Woodson rules.

[MattSharpIsCool]

Ya he's great if you like 55 yard pass interference penalties that set the other team up on your 2 yard line. He's a pro at that.

I would have liked to see the Raiders move him to safety, because I think he'd play a lot better at that position.

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

i lol'd at your description of woodson

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

So latest rumours are Favre going to Bucs?

How much better do you think the Bucs will be if they do get Favre

[Jaymz Hetfield]

So latest rumours are Favre going to Bucs?

How much better do you think the Bucs will be if they do get Favre

The Bucs will be better no doubt if we get him, but it'll be overhyped all to hell. Garcia is a really good QB for Gruden's offense, but he can't make the tough throws that Favre can. Favre and Gruden could be a good combination if Brett chills out on throwing INT's....we have a good enough defense and running game that he won't HAVE to make all that many big plays.

[apple pie]

who cares about Brett Farve, he will do this all again next year.

[Poet]

I've heard enough about Favre this summer to last three lifetimes.

[apple pie]

I've heard enough about Favre this summer to last three lifetimes.

he's like cher, he just wont leave us alone.

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

idk

i can see where the packers and favre are coming from

i would be doing the same if i was in either position tbh...

[UserNamesSuck]

I'm sure Rodgers told Green Bay that if Favre was going to be the starting QB he was going to demand a trade or be a holdout. I dont blame him. He wants to move on with his career and he has set on the bench his entire career behind Favre.

So Green Bay looked in their best interest to keep the younger "decent" QB, and get rid of the older great QB and get something in return in terms of trades.

I'd much rather see him go to the Jets. But I can see why Favre would want to go to the Bucs, since they are a playoff contender.

[YDload]

Too bad it's an even-numbered year for the Bucs:

2004: 5-11
2005: 11-5
2006: 4-12
2007: 9-7

Looks like it's gonna be another disappointing season!

[UserNamesSuck]

9-7 isnt exactly good. Barely over .500

I see them finishing at least 8-8. In the NFC thats playoff contention.

[YDload]

going from 4-12 to 9-7 is pretty good. its only one game less than the Browns' improvement, but the Bucs still won their division.

[hXcPLISIT]

im just pumped for madden 09.
unfortunately it's exicitng me more than the upcoming season for KC.
at least right now anyways..
it'll be different once we kickoff.

[Mute Requiem]

There's always a couple of surprise teams in the NFL, so there's always the chance that the Chiefs end up being really good, even if there is no logic behind it.*

*This goes against everything I said about the Browns, but don't worry about that.

Also, I'm excited to see what kind of debilitating injury Favre gets now that he's playing and on the Madden cover.

[Against Miik!]

I'm sure Rodgers told Green Bay that if Favre was going to be the starting QB he was going to demand a trade or be a holdout. I dont blame him. He wants to move on with his career and he has set on the bench his entire career behind Favre.

So Green Bay looked in their best interest to keep the younger "decent" QB, and get rid of the older great QB and get something in return in terms of trades.

I'd much rather see him go to the Jets. But I can see why Favre would want to go to the Bucs, since they are a playoff contender.

I don't blame him either, and I'm glad the Packers didn't just fall at Brett's knees again. Rodgers was planning on being the starting QB a year after he was drafted, and he's had to sit for a pretty long time now. It would be ok if it was expected, but he's had to play this maybe/maybe not game for a few seasons now. It's starts to wear on you at some point. He's a talented player, and there is no point in ruining the guy just to get one more mediocre season out of Brett.

[YDload]

im glad Brett realizes how much of a dick move it would have been to take the starting job from Rodgers after he was SOOOO close to finally starting this year. ESPN tried to make me hate Favre with all my heart, but he still has a bit of selflessness left in him.

[Zmev]

I've heard enough about Favre this summer* to last three lifetimes.

*last 2-3 weeks

he's like cher, he just wont leave us alone.

Way to steal that from Rick Reilly

[Mute Requiem]

Favre's going to the Jets

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

sucks

Jets are ****

[YDload]

not anymore! i dont mean that because of Favre, they've just made a lot of good offseason moves.

edit: you know how I just posted the Bucs' trend of alternating good/crappy seasons? the Jets have done this too, in the last few years. except their even-numbered years are GOOD and the odd ones are bad:

2002: 9-7
2003: 6-10
2004: 10-6
2005: 4-12
2006: 10-6
2007: 4-12

[UnderFlames]

The Buccaneers are my favorite team, but I'm not sure what I should think. I'm kinda disappointed, but I'm still glad Garcia is our QB. He led us to playoffs.

[Rams]

It'll be nice to see our defenders pad their INT stats by playing the Jets twice a year.

[JonG]

i loved t-bay with alstott and dunn

they were good.

jets with favre? meh, he shouldve stayed retired

[apple pie]

so farve to coles is gonna be sick, although the bills fron 4 will crush him

[YDload]

you dont play in the same division as the Bears and Vikings for 16 years and not miss a start without having some survival skills

[descendents1]

you dont play in the same division as the Bears and Vikings for 16 years and not miss a start without having some survival skills

yeah dude and he's dealt with some tough defenses

the bills aren't that special

[Mute Requiem]

Not to mention the Jets have a pretty solid offensive line themselves

[apple pie]

you dont play in the same division as the Bears and Vikings for 16 years and not miss a start without having some survival skills

hes also what 37?

like I know he has been through alot of sacks, but playing agsint Bills and Pats twice a year, and then the Colts, assuming their defense can stay healthy all year, will also be a nice chalnege.

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

yea, playing in the AFC is gonna be fun for brett

[apple pie]

Coles is gonna get alot of yards as being the only decent Offensive players on the Jets,becasue Cocketry or whatever, not that good.

[YDload]

Cotchery had over 1100 yards receiving last year, plus he's good for the occasional circus catch.

[niobium]

it's going to be interesting to see brett n the jets. i'm very glad that gb and nyj don't play each other this year though.

i would be surprised hearing brett return for a 2nd year as jets starting qb. even more surprised than when i heard he came out of retirement this year.

[Understanding In a Crash]

Not many organizations would of kept to their word of keeping a HOF'er out of their team but at the same time I wish the Jets would of played GB to see how bad he could've returned the favor.

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

nice drive by my chiefs on that bear defense (both teams are playing their first offense/defense right now)

[Poet]

thank you for not talking about that one guy^

I don't even watch preseason football lol.

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

yea it sucks but i can't go out because i can't walk because my ankle/foot is ****ed up so this is all i got on tv :(

[YDload]

i like preseason football because its the last chance to see certain great college players before they disappear forever and have to get real jobs

[MattSharpIsCool]

Coles is gonna get alot of yards as being the only decent Offensive players on the Jets,becasue Cocketry or whatever, not that good.

Cotchery is a better receiver than Coles at this point. Coles had his time but he's old, slow, and fragile now. He has the name recognition but that doesn't make him a better receiver.

Both of those receivers have good hands, which is always helpful. Add in Dustin Keller at tight end, and Thomas Jones running and catching the ball out of the backfield, and the Jets offense actually doesn't look all that bad.

[YDload]

dont forget that the Jets also acquired Bubba Franks, one of Favre's faves

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

i wish the pats first offense played today going up against like the Ravens third defense

i could actually watch some highlights tonight

[MattSharpIsCool]

dont forget that the Jets also acquired Bubba Franks, one of Favre's faves

The 1 yard TD pass special.

[Erratic]

erratic where in Indy do you live?


The east side of Indianapolis.

[apple pie]

Cotchery is a better receiver than Coles at this point. Coles had his time but he's old, slow, and fragile now. He has the name recognition but that doesn't make him a better receiver.

Both of those receivers have good hands, which is always helpful. Add in Dustin Keller at tight end, and Thomas Jones running and catching the ball out of the backfield, and the Jets offense actually doesn't look all that bad.


I am just a Coles-whore, he has been my favorite receiver since he plead guilty for "stealing" those clothes when he went to FSU

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

The east side of Indianapolis.

i used to live in carmel

lol don't hate me

[Erratic]

Carmel, where the streets are paved with gold.

I think it's annoying how Favre is taking up at least half of sports center right now.