Liebeck v. McDonald's Restaurants

[Virus278]

I know this is old news but I've been thinking about this case a lot lately. Personally, I agree with the decision of the jury. What do you guys think about this?

[1338 h4x0r]

I agree with anything that damages those **** vendors

[pooble]

is he suing them because he got fat from eating their food or something like that?

[1338 h4x0r]

Well that's irresponsible

tbh

[RNR]

In a sense, the outcome is complete bullshit. Mcdonalds was in no way responsible or at fault. However, I support the jury's decision. Rich, immoral corporations like Mcdonalds should be pillaged by any means possible.

[BassRevelation1029]

I know this is old news
somewhat of an understatement
Personally, I agree with the decision of the jury. What do you guys think about this?
Actually she got ripped off. McDonalds made their coffee scolding-hot so customers would be discouraged to get the advertised free refills.

[Volumnius Flush]

I think what it really comes down to is the temperature of the coffee. I believe McDonald's was "grossly negligent" in serving the coffee as hot as it was, when it could have been significantly cooler.

But whose fault was it that it was spilled? The woman's of course. But still the coffee should not have been that hot. McDonald's should have anticipated such action.

I normally would support McDonald's but I just can't get over how hot that coffee really was.

[RNR]

I found this while reading the wikipedia article on this case:

Similar lawsuits against McDonald's in the United Kingdom failed. In Bogle v. McDonald’s Restaurants Ltd. Field J rejected the claim that McDonald's could have avoided injury by serving not-so-hot coffee.

"If this submission be right, McDonald’s should not have served drinks at any temperature which would have caused a bad scalding injury. The evidence is that tea or coffee served at a temperature of 65 C will cause a deep thickness burn if it is in contact with the skin for just two seconds. Thus, if McDonald’s were going to avoid the risk of injury by a deep thickness burn they would have had to have served tea and coffee at between 55 C and 60 C. But tea ought to be brewed with boiling water if it is to give its best flavour and coffee ought to be brewed at between 85 C and 95 C. Further, people generally like to allow a hot drink to cool to the temperature they prefer. Accordingly, I have no doubt that tea and coffee served at between 55 C and 60 C would not have been acceptable to McDonald’s customers. Indeed, on the evidence, I find that the public want to be able to buy tea and coffee served hot, that is to say at a temperature of at least 65 C, even though they know (as I think they must be taken to do for the purposes of answering issues (1) and (2)) that there is a risk of a scalding injury if the drink is spilled."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald%27s_Restaurants

...And the Brits know their tea.

[Volumnius Flush]

Come to think of it, I believe that in any case of self-negligence, you can never hold anyone personally responsible other than yourself.

[Danish]

If McDs was smart, they'd develop spill-proof cups...

[Apollyon]

i thought this lawsuit was just hilarious

i love how in america we can sue someone when we do something stupid, ie - spill our coffee

serving colder coffee or pre-cooling it would be a stupid idea because then you're sacrificing flavor and not everyone likes their coffee at the same temperature

anyone who owns a pot of their own knows that when you brew it, it's ****ing hot

let it sit for five minutes or however long your personal preference demands, and then try to drink it

giving people a bunch of money for being stupid and/or clumsy is an equally stupid and clumsy act for the legal system to take

[Dave de Sylvia]

Come to think of it, I believe that in any case of self-negligence, you can never hold anyone personally responsible other than yourself.
Both parties were negligent.

[Bordello]

serving colder coffee or pre-cooling it would be a stupid idea because then you're sacrificing flavor what flavor this is mcdonalds

[Virus278]

I found this while reading the wikipedia article on this case:

Similar lawsuits against McDonald's in the United Kingdom failed. In Bogle v. McDonald’s Restaurants Ltd. Field J rejected the claim that McDonald's could have avoided injury by serving not-so-hot coffee.

"If this submission be right, McDonald’s should not have served drinks at any temperature which would have caused a bad scalding injury. The evidence is that tea or coffee served at a temperature of 65 C will cause a deep thickness burn if it is in contact with the skin for just two seconds. Thus, if McDonald’s were going to avoid the risk of injury by a deep thickness burn they would have had to have served tea and coffee at between 55 C and 60 C. But tea ought to be brewed with boiling water if it is to give its best flavour and coffee ought to be brewed at between 85 C and 95 C. Further, people generally like to allow a hot drink to cool to the temperature they prefer. Accordingly, I have no doubt that tea and coffee served at between 55 C and 60 C would not have been acceptable to McDonald’s customers. Indeed, on the evidence, I find that the public want to be able to buy tea and coffee served hot, that is to say at a temperature of at least 65 C, even though they know (as I think they must be taken to do for the purposes of answering issues (1) and (2)) that there is a risk of a scalding injury if the drink is spilled."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald%27s_Restaurants

...And the Brits know their tea.

IMO that's McDonalds' problem. It doesn't matter if tea or coffee is hard to serve at the correct temperature. It's part of the responsibility McDonalds took up when they decided to sell that product.

[stevensonmat2]

Everyone saying they are glad McDonalds got screwed needs to grow up. Sure, McDonalds sucks, but any precedent of injustice (such as the one set in this case) is a blow to us all.

[Akira]

The coffee was too hot, but the award was ridiculous.

Whether or not you believe that McDonalds served the coffee irresponsibly hot, it is hard to argue that giving someone over half a million dollars because they were burned by a drink that is inherently hot is anything but a loss for America's legal system.

[WhoDidTheElf]

Cup holders anyone?

[JohnXDoe]

meh...depends on how bad he was burned. i know this whole thing got started (maybe its the same case idk) because several years ago an old woman burned her thighs from spilling coffee on them. old people have sensitive skin sometimes...but thats part of life. scalding hot coffee isn't

i believe it was shown mcdonalds coffee was quite hotter then coffee served by others. apparently their is a standard, and mcdonalds crossed it...practically serving coffee boiling in the cup.

a bit reckless i would say

so far as people suing mcdonalds for obesity....well, mcdonalds may not have made them eat so much...but the food is marketed and sold to encourage you to eat more (super size, two double cheesburger meals, etc). if obesity is a medical condition (it is) and Mcdonalds sells a product that can cause obesity even when eaten "responsibly" (IOW as sold) they may be liable in some way

i'm sure some here have seen the documentary "Super Size Me." guy is in perfect health, weight, etc. regualr guy, fit, eats decently, goes to the gym.

so he decides to eat mcdonalds for a month to see what might happen. he cuts exercise (after all he's not required to do that in life) and decides to eat three meals a day from mcdonalds. after all they serve a nutritious breakfast, lunch, and dinner, right? he even chooses the "healthy things" as he rotates through the menu evenly, as to take in everything they have to offer. nothing special, and he only "super sizes" if asked. they almost always ask. he is presented 3 mcdonalds meals a day to eat...with desert. just regularly offered menu items

within 6 weeks he had gained so much weight, blood pressure so high, and nutrition so bad his doctor told him if he didn't stop immediately he had a good chance of dying

food shouldn't do that imo. not like that.

[stevensonmat2]

Not to mention their food is addictive. I was hoooked for a month or so when I worked right next to one. I would ****ing crave that **** at night.

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[JohnXDoe]

its all the salt and sugar and they know it. studies show sugar and salt trigger cravings...mcdonalds puts sugar in everything, fries included. you can't taste it, but its there.

ketchup, sweet onions and pickles.

i saw in the movie they even call their best customers "heavy users" at the corporate level, as if they're junkies or somethin'

[Akira]

John, Super Size Me is trash. Anyone who eats three meals a day at McDonalds deserves whatever he or she gets.

The idea of suing McDonalds after you get fat is absolutely pathetic. Everything wrong with America in one lawsuit.

[wartomods]

I think what it really comes down to is the temperature of the coffee. I believe McDonald's was "grossly negligent" in serving the coffee as hot as it was, when it could have been significantly cooler.

But whose fault was it that it was spilled? The woman's of course. But still the coffee should not have been that hot. McDonald's should have anticipated such action.

I normally would support McDonald's but I just can't get over how hot that coffee really was.

you people in america are pussys, here you almost evaluate a coffee for how hot it is, a good strong coffee must be realy hot too when served

[je suis un beau chapeau]

didnt it fuse her labia shut

[stevensonmat2]

god i hope so

unless she already spat children from her cunt

[je suis un beau chapeau]

why would it be good that her labia melted

[JohnXDoe]

John, Super Size Me is trash. Anyone who eats three meals a day at McDonalds deserves whatever he or she gets.

The idea of suing McDonalds after you get fat is absolutely pathetic. Everything wrong with America in one lawsuit.
but shouldn't a place that sells "breakfast, lunch, and dinner" be able to serve it as such without such consequences as severe obesity. its not like the supermarket or a restaurant with a huge expansive menu or choice of items. most of it is very high fat, high calorie crap.

so we know that. however thats what they sell as three meals a day. three square meals. you see all the smiling healthy people on the commercials eating it.

so if i decided to eat three meals a day from there what should i expect? its food, right? prepared for me. i see no disclaimers, i see no warnings, i see nothing which says "do not eat here three times a day our breakfast, lunch and dinner will cause a dangerous medical condition when eaten normally"

this is prepared food, mind you. not like i bought it at the market and prepared it myself. mcdonalds does it for me and says "come eat it".

its not cigarettes. should i not be able to eat it in a reasonable manner three times a day without killing myself?

[je suis un beau chapeau]

no thats crazy

[Apollyon]

but shouldn't a place that sells "breakfast, lunch, and dinner" be able to serve it as such without such consequences as severe obesity. its not like the supermarket or a restaurant with a huge expansive menu or choice of items. most of it is very high fat, high calorie crap.

so we know that. however thats what they sell as three meals a day. three square meals. you see all the smiling healthy people on the commercials eating it.

so if i decided to eat three meals a day from there what should i expect? its food, right? prepared for me. i see no disclaimers, i see no warnings, i see nothing which says "do not eat here three times a day our breakfast, lunch and dinner will cause a dangerous medical condition when eaten normally"

this is prepared food, mind you. not like i bought it at the market and prepared it myself. mcdonalds does it for me and says "come eat it".

its not cigarettes. should i not be able to eat it in a reasonable manner three times a day without killing myself?

there is plenty of information about the poor nutrition that accompanies mcdonald's food blindly assuming that you can eat whatever you want in a "reasonable" fashion is the reason obesity is a problem in half the western world

[je suis un beau chapeau]

and honestly if you gain five pounds eating at these places and then instead of not going to them anymore, you continue eating there and gain another 250 pounds you're not a victim of anything

[Apollyon]

except stupidity

[JohnXDoe]

not a victim...but the advertising is misleading, the food really isn't safe to eat in a consistent manner, and if you go to Macdonald's little other choice is given. and they just continue churning out the junk

and all the other fast food places

i just wonder is this really what we want? or is it being knowingly sold to us because its cheap, somewhat addicting, and they know it'll keep people coming back?

i hate this country sometimes. i'm so confused :(


/almost never eats mcdonalds but if i did i wouldn't want to get fat from eating it "normally"

breakfast, lunch, dinner....

[je suis un beau chapeau]

thats like saying if you want sex and go to a whore house you have little choice but to have sex with a whore

but you also have the option of not going to the whore house at all for sex

[JohnXDoe]

yeah but even a whore won't fuk you if you're a fat pig so yeah i won't be going to the whorehouse if i'm eating mcdonalds :(

[Apollyon]

not a victim...but the advertising is misleading, the food really isn't safe to eat in a consistent manner, and if you go to Macdonald's little other choice is given. and they just continue churning out the junk

of course it's misleading

if their campaign was, "eat at mcd's three times a day and gain 500 lbs" no one would want to eat there or they would at least eat there less often

fast food franchises discourage moderation and limitation because if they encouraged it they wouldn't make any money

and all the other fast food places

that's why it's called fast food

it's prepared in the quickest, cheapest way possible so they can maximize their profit

i just wonder is this really what we want? or is it being knowingly sold to us because its cheap, somewhat addicting, and they know it'll keep people coming back?

is this rhetorical because it can't really be a question

i hate this country sometimes. i'm so confused :(

/almost never eats mcdonalds but if i did i wouldn't want to get fat from eating it "normally"

breakfast, lunch, dinner....

you want too much

if you want to eat three squares a day and not get fat then prepare your own food or eat a healthier fast food alternative like subway and exercise regularly

humans have transcended a lot of things with the advancement of technology but if you want to be healthy you still have to live healthy there is no easy way to maintain a good level of health

[JohnXDoe]

o damn :(

[beso negro]

yea that was a sad day for the legal system. The reason her injuries were so bad were because she was wearing a sweatsuit that absorbed the hot liquid and held it close to her skin for a period of time. So why didn't the clothing manufacturer get sued then? The sweatpants should have been made of Gore-Tex. :rolleyes:

there is plenty of information about the poor nutrition that accompanies mcdonald's food blindly assuming that you can eat whatever you want in a "reasonable" fashion is the reason obesity is a problem in half the western world

this

[JohnXDoe]

ima go get a couple big macs :)

[beso negro]

that's 1080 calories, 58 grams of fat, 3 grams of trans fat, and 90 grams of carbs. not to mention 100% of your daily total of sodium just fyi

[JohnXDoe]

yeah but it comes with fries and a coke. and i won't forget the apple pies which come two for a dollar on teh "value menu"

sounds well rounded to me

now i gotta add all that up :(

brb with totals

[Akira]

but shouldn't a place that sells "breakfast, lunch, and dinner" be able to serve it as such without such consequences as severe obesity. its not like the supermarket or a restaurant with a huge expansive menu or choice of items. most of it is very high fat, high calorie crap.

That's ridiculous. Just because a restaurant sells food all day, the food should be healthy? I'd come up with some analogy to that, but your logic is so mind-numbingly twisted that I'm not even going to bother.

so we know that. however thats what they sell as three meals a day. three square meals. you see all the smiling healthy people on the commercials eating it.

You know what, you're right. It would make much more sense to show disgusting whales in their ads.
Of all the examples of false advertising in the world, that is a weak one. McDonald's doesn't say "Eat Whoppers eight times a day and look like these people." You can have the occasional meal from McDonald's and be perfectly healthy.

so if i decided to eat three meals a day from there what should i expect? its food, right? prepared for me. i see no disclaimers, i see no warnings, i see nothing which says "do not eat here three times a day our breakfast, lunch and dinner will cause a dangerous medical condition when eaten normally"

Take 10 seconds and look at the nutritional information and it is clear the food is bad for you. Just take an iota of personal responsibility.
But you don't even have to. It is common sense at this point that eating fast good regularly is unhealthy.

this is prepared food, mind you. not like i bought it at the market and prepared it myself. mcdonalds does it for me and says "come eat it".

Yeah, they tell you to eat. It's a business. They advertise. They don't hold a gun to your head and force feed you. I mean come on, you have a choice about eating there!

its not cigarettes. should i not be able to eat it in a reasonable manner three times a day without killing myself?

Again, stupid logic. Eating cake three times a day would kill you too. Unhealthy food exists. It's often tasty. It's not hard to eat it responsibly.

This all comes down to personal responsibility. McDonald's does not force anyone to eat at their restaurants. Make healthy decisions.

[JohnXDoe]

large fries 500 Cal....25 grams fat

going for teh gusto with a double quarter pounder /w cheese - 740 Cal....42 fat grams

large classic coke....210 Cal

one of two baked apple pies 270 Cal....12 fat grams


grand total (i didn't think two big macs was appropriate for a single serving) for one lunch....

1720 Cal....80 grams of fat :amaze:

guys...c'mon

[JohnXDoe]

oh and compare the above to their "suggested meals"

http://www.mcdonalds.com/app_controller.nutrition.categories.mealSuggestion s.index.html

just click on "meal suggestions" to the left

tell me if they can't "suggest" the above posted (previous post), why sell it? who the hell wants the "suggested" stuff

it all sucks look at it its pathetic :(

[Akira]

They only have the suggestions because people like you bitch and moan about how unhealthy the food is.

[JohnXDoe]

i'm not bitching or moaning. i'll let that fine single serving lunch speak for itself

[Dave de Sylvia]

John what are you trying to say?

[JohnXDoe]

John what are you trying to say?
i'm saying...studies have shown certain foods trigger addiction cravings. i mean this is why we have all the "healthy" foods and knowledge of it we have today. studies over the years, advancements, etc.

however, people are not always quick or able to change their habits so readily, and more education and information is needed. in schools, the workplace, at the government level. a whole new nutritional program for the nation

now, when McDonalds started selling this food (many years ago) we didn't have as much information or knowledge about these things and the effects. now that we do, obviously the meal i posted above should not be packaged and sold to the "ignorant" american consumer as something, shall we say, satisfying and life giving. its hardly food, and given our knowledge about these things now, maybe Macdonald's can be a little responsible and shave some fat and calories off that nearly 1800 calorie meal with enough fat for TWO DAYS worth of food.

thats all i'm saying

i don't want a kiddie burger and a yogurt. i want the good stuff :(

[Dave de Sylvia]

Well McDonalds probably should be a little more transparent, but they do provide detailed and easily accessible nutritional information on their website. At the very least, a consumer should be required to do this part themselves.

[stevensonmat2]

McDonalds makes cheap, cheap food. If people dont realize that the are eating crap, then they are supposed to suffer from it and hopefully die.

If we were cavemen they would be the jerk offs who eat bad shrooms and die and no one would even shed a caveman-tear.

[JohnXDoe]

Well McDonalds probably should be a little more transparent, but they do provide detailed and easily accessible nutritional information on their website. At the very least, a consumer should be required to do this part themselves.
yeah but you know SOP, its easy to say about checking nutrition, etc...

america is a grand place, we consume a lot of things. food included. now we can chalk it ALL up to personal responsibility......or we can also ask corporate america to pitch in a little.

mcDonalds, after looking at the nutritional chart.....sells a dangerous, unhealthy product

all individuals are different. we eat differently, and it shouldn't be up to us to need to check on every single thing we eat from a nutritional chart to make sure its fit for human consumption.

take the average working guy. we've all done and do a hard days work. where i used to work their was a Macdonald's down the street (they are everywhere) and after work....my guys were hungry. my guys were MEN. like in thier 30's, big, hard working guys. should they have to go to mcdonalds and choose a "suggested" kiddie burger, diet coke, and small fries over a quarter pounder and large fries, and a pie? when you look at the food it doesn't look like an unreasonable amount to eat.... its not. its just enough. why should it have enough fat and calories for a whole days worth of food?

they can do better, as Barack Obama would say. and they should by the american consumer. because they can

[Apollyon]

to produce healthier food they would have to spend more money and to cope with the increased spending they would have to raise their prices and then your MEN would be paying $10 for a quarter pounder with cheese instead of a buck and a half

the fact is it is the consumers responsibility to monitor what they're putting in their body

fast food is bad for you because bad food is cheaper and easier to prepare

you get convenience and low prices at the cost of poor nutrition it's not mcdonald's fault that rather than own up to your responsibility as a consumer and maybe drive an extra block to eat something healthier you choose to go to mcdonalds and buy the biggest meal on the menu

[Dave de Sylvia]

all individuals are different. we eat differently, and it shouldn't be up to us to need to check on every single thing we eat from a nutritional chart to make sure its fit for human consumption
YES IT SHOULD

McDonalds food is fit for consumption. If some idiot decides 20 McDonalds a week qualifies as a balanced diet, they're just wrong. And it's not the restaurant's fault.

[Volumnius Flush]

Both parties were negligent.

But who was more negligent? I believe it was the woman, so I don't see how she had a case against McDonald's. There is a reason this is regarded as excessive and frivolous by the media.

[beso negro]

lol how was McDonalds negligent

[EinzingerIsGod]

I work in a cafe and we are required to make sure that the coffee stays at the temperature that this woman reported in her claim against McDonald's. This isn't to say that I don't think Mickey D's is a disgusting place and their business methods are repulsive, but the temperature they had their coffee (180-190) is fairly standard. We have to keep all drinks above 160 unless a customer asks for a lower temperature.

[Dave de Sylvia]

To clarify, I was working on the assumption that the court's decision was correct. I'm no expert on coffee so I can't really comment on whether that's a reasonable temperature to serve it at. Personally, I think anybody who drinks coffee deserves all the scalding they can get, but that's just because I hate coffee.

[EinzingerIsGod]

This is why I prefer my coffee iced.

[Dave de Sylvia]

I like iced coffee. I wouldn't put that between my legs either.

[Knifeboy]

We have to keep all drinks above 160 unless a customer asks for a lower temperature.

That's the thing, he/she (can't remember) repeatedly complained before the incident that they served the coffee too hot

[EinzingerIsGod]

Once the coffee is brewed its hot so the only thing to do is put a few ice cubes in the cup before you pour the coffee in. She can't expect that they would recognize that she was the person who complains about the coffee being too hot if shes in the drive through. She should have asked for a bit of ice in the coffee to cool it off.


...I can't believe I am siding with McDonald's

[JohnXDoe]

wow i thought this forum was more liberal then this

surprised to see so many towing the company line itt

i'm too tired to discuss all this atm i need a chezboiger :(

[stevensonmat2]

I think most people are just siding with reason.

[JohnXDoe]

oic...so all the fatties out there getting served prepared junk...these people have no reason?

or they choose not to side with it?

ok i get your point

i'm hungry :(

[stevensonmat2]

if they are eating the crappy food continuously then no they have no reasoning or sense.

[:amaze:]

That's the thing, he/she (can't remember) repeatedly complained before the incident that they served the coffee too hot

if i went to an establishment and repeatedly complained about their product, i'd probably just stop going there. there are plenty of coffee places, everywhere.




:amaze:

[Aaron]

^ exactly.

Negligence turns on the point of whether the respondent has taken all steps to reduce risks and avoid future injury . The respondent in this case did not completely remove the risk as they served a potentially dangerous substance in an inappropriate manner [ie a sh[I]itty papercup]. Contributory negligence is present in the fact that the applicant was aware of potential for injury, in the fact they'd previously complained, however continued to request the service.

[JohnXDoe]

if they are eating the crappy food continuously then no they have no reasoning or sense.
well thats not true...i know plenty of fat people, obese even, with lots of reason and intelligence.

maybe what a person eats has nothing to do with reason? maybe we just...eat. and we trust what we eat is ok to eat. not continuously....but regularly

my whole point here is this: McDonalds is the largest "restaurant" chain in the world...by far. they serve PREPARED food as a "meal." they have a menu that says come in for breakfast, lunch, dinner....we'll take care of you.

now, in the past i coulld forgive them. cheap, fast, cheap, like jared pointed out. make them do it any other way they go out of business. but thats not true anymore.

it goes back to just doing things different. for instance the oil they use in the fries. its bad trans fattie stuff. now the change is coming by law, i believe (or threat of regulation) that fast food places start using a "healthier" oil. Mcdonalds resited, and are still resiting, because it changes the "taste" of their fries. what is this taste? its fat, thats what. pure and simple

the same goes for the burgers, cheese, pies, ice cream, and almost everything else on the menu. if this were food being sold in the market and you took it home and prepared it...its solely on you how you do it, the ingredients you buy, etc...

but when going to a fast food place....its done for you. and the fact of the matter is when you order a big mac you are not getting a burger as much as you are getting fat on a bun

now i'm not going to look up the research and what not...but food definitely has addictive properties biologically, etc. nutritionist will tell you this. those cravings people get? they are real and brought on by certain foods. if they know this yes...they can stop eating those foods. but if their habits are deeply rooted and then encouraged by a society that seems to say "hey, your problem eat more more more," its an uphill battle.

it just seems companies like the golden arches, being in the food business and with their wholesome image could take a good look and say "how can we do this healthier for our customers"

however...they know the fat and sugar is what hooks people. if they sold you something healthy they could make it good (half the cheese, wheat bun, half the meat, no more "double burgers: etc) and people would still like it. BUT...they wouldn't keep coming back for more. so thats bad for a bad business, i guess?

plus....many of these fast food places are located in low income / minority areas where they know people have less money, sometimes less time, and the social structure is a bit lacking. its easy for the poor when they are hungry to grab a quick burger and not think about it. do you really think these people are going to read "nutritional" information or make solid informed choices about diet? no, they are not. and they shouldn't be expected to when eating fast food. and nor should they receive a sandwich PREPARED for them with upwards of 800 calories and 50 grams of fat as just the starting portion of a meal.

its a bad, unhealthy product and the company knows it. yet they sell it as is.

i'd like some changes. idk exactly what...but we seem to be about "change" these days. we're either gonna do it for america or not

down with corporate manipulation....up with people :smoke:

[Volumnius Flush]

I like iced coffee. I wouldn't put that between my legs either.

What would you put between your legs?

[Dave de Sylvia]

Matt Damon's lips

[Volumnius Flush]

Matt Damon's lips

That is slap-on-the-knee funny! That isn't just regular funny, it's slap-on-the-knee funny! I literally just slapped my knee!

For when regular funny just isn't good enough.

[Akira]

John, we're not siding with corporations. There is no rationale reason to try to control McDonald's. Doing so creates an awful precedent for the government to regulate anything remotely "dangerous."

No one (if I may speak for the group) believes that it is good that Micky D's serves garbage food. But if they want to, that's their right.

[beso negro]

Negligence turns on the point of whether the respondent has taken all steps to reduce risks and avoid future injury [incl. the actioning of reports of risks]. The respondent in this case did not completely remove the risk as they served a potentially dangerous substance in an inappropriate manner [ie a poopty papercup].

ok but millions of people had no problem with the cup. just becuase one idiot spills it doesn't mean it's a bad cup.

its a bad, unhealthy product and the company knows it. yet they sell it as is.

restaurants don't exist to make sure that everyone eats healthy. they are there to make money.

and it's cheaper to buy groceries anyways.

John, we're not siding with corporations.

I am

[Aaron]

Well McDonalds needed to investigate the reported risk, and they didn't. That's the point of contention, not the cup's design.

[Akira]

ok but millions of people had no problem with the cup. just becuase one idiot spills it doesn't mean it's a bad cup.



restaurants don't exist to make sure that everyone eats healthy. they are there to make money.

and it's cheaper to buy groceries anyways.



I am

This.

[Sunshine]

Much as I hate McDonalds and all, I really don't think she should've won that case.

It's called "Hot Coffee" for a reason, and it's not like they dumped it on her.

[Volumnius Flush]

It's called "Hot Coffee" for a reason, and it's not like they dumped it on her.

Yeah. And I read somewhere she was wearing cotton pants and they absorbed the coffee and forced it against her skin for over 90 seconds. It is tantamount to holding McDonald's accountable for even getting dressed that day.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Much as I hate McDonalds and all, I really don't think she should've won that case.

It's called "Hot Coffee" for a reason, and it's not like they dumped it on her.
I think it's just called coffee. Or McCoffee or something.

[Volumnius Flush]

I think it's just called coffee. Or McCoffee or something.

I have to disagree. Hot chocolate is called hot chocolate so why isn't coffee called hot coffee?

[Dave de Sylvia]

Because chocolate is something completely different, whereas coffee is pretty much hot unless stated otherwise.

[Akira]

Someone mentioned she had complained multiple times. Fool me once, right? Why would she keep going back?

[pooble]

lol. who cares if its not called hot coffee. its hot when you touch it, theres steam coming off it, it says its hot on it, every competent person knows what "coffee" is, why would you order it if you didnt know what it is anyway?

lol. people are so ****ing stupid

[:amaze:]

Yeah. And I read somewhere she was wearing cotton pants and they absorbed the coffee and forced it against her skin for over 90 seconds. It is tantamount to holding McDonald's accountable for even getting dressed that day.

i'm pretty sure if she had half a brain, she would have removed the pants before serious injury.




:amaze:

[UmphreysHead]

omg omg omg omg this is really burning me! I think I'm just gonna leave these pants soaked in scalding hot coffee on my leg and see if that helps.