televangelists should all be round up and shot

[Meatplow]

after a short stint trying to sleep on my couch at 4:48 am after work and watching Peter Popoff doing his thing I came to the conclusion I want to punch him in the face.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_2DmyD3hXGk

I am absolutely disgusted and appaled by this, it is probably a really poor representation of religion but hey if this guy and others like him are a spawn of it's existence i'm all for its bloody dismemberment.

[Akira]

Teehee. Televangelists make me lol.

Not as funny as the guy who went on the rant about Clinton sucking the other day. That's about as hilarious as "preachers" get.

[Iskandar]

They provide cheap entertainment.

[EinzingerIsGod]

Typical religious higher-up preying on the weak and their insecurities to make money.

[free_thinkers_are_dangerous]

these guys are absolute masters of the placebo effect. i think they could put their skills to better use.

[rasputin]

That is ridiculous, especially the end. Of course she got shocked, you punched her in the ****ing head.

[Volumnius Flush]

Hey Fascist, this is a free country and idiots can pretend like their shocking people if they want to.

[sLarkin20]

The man has a point.


GO AMERICA!

[Volumnius Flush]

The man has a point.


GO AMERICA!

Darn right I have a point. See I can shock you right now zzzzzzzzinngggggg!

Haha I shocked you!

[BridgeToSolace]

Hey Fascist, this is a free country and idiots can pretend like their shocking people if they want to.

Regardless of the right this man has to do what he does (besides the fraud and stuff that this particular preacher takes part in), this level of dishonesty and deceit is not healthy.

It's really not a good thing.

[Volumnius Flush]

Regardless of the right this man has to do what he does (besides the fraud and stuff that this particular preacher takes part in), this level of dishonesty and deceit is not healthy.

It's really not a good thing.

Oh yes Fraud and Stuff Sec 41.04 of the Florida State Penal Code...

Yeah right! :rolleyes:

Who judges whether it is healthy or not? These people pretending they're getting shocked and falling down (slain in the Spirit) are all in it together with the preachers. If anyone actually believes it they are deceiving themselves and perhaps need a good dose of self-deception... so maybe they won't do it again.

[free_thinkers_are_dangerous]

Who judges whether it is healthy or not? These people pretending they're getting shocked and falling down (slain in the Spirit) are all in it together with the preachers. If anyone actually believes it they are deceiving themselves and perhaps need a good dose of self-deception... so maybe they won't do it again.

My biggest worry is that people will go to televangelists and pray instead of going and seeing a doctor for treatment. That lady with emphezyma doesn't need the lord, she needs a nicotine patch and however the hell you treat emphezyma.

[je suis un beau chapeau]

it would be funny if someone drowned him in a bucket filled with his miracle holy water

[Volumnius Flush]

My biggest worry is that people will go to televangelists and pray instead of going and seeing a doctor for treatment. That lady with emphezyma doesn't need the lord, she needs a nicotine patch and however the hell you treat emphezyma.

So what if they refuse medical treatment and they think the Lord will heal them instead?

Apparently you need to read up on Abraham Cherrix... You do know people do have the right to refuse medical treatment on any grounds right?

[BridgeToSolace]

Oh yes Fraud and Stuff Sec 41.04 of the Florida State Penal Code...

Yeah right! :rolleyes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Popoff#cite_note-Randi-0

Dishonesty...

Popoff's shows also featured audience members who were brought on stage in wheelchairs and then rose dramatically to walk without support. These were some of Popoff's most incredible "healings," but what believing audience members and television viewers did not know was that wheelchairs were used by Popoff to seat people who were already able to walk.[3]

Deception...

And, he added, 'My wife occasionally gives me the name of a person who needs special prayers'."[1] However, Randi appeared on CNN previous to this claiming Popoff used a transmitter, but Popoff said this was false and he got the information from God.[1]

Fraud...

He was also known for collecting donations to be sent to the Soviet Union, which earned him a profit from a fraud scheme.[1]

gg

[je suis un beau chapeau]

volumnius flush do yourself a favor and look at where you live how you talk and what you look like

now realize that all signs point to you being wrong about every opinion you have

[Volumnius Flush]

volumnius flush do yourself a favor and look at where you live how you talk and what you look like

now realize that all signs point to you being wrong about every opinion you have

This post makes no sense. I probably shouldn't even dignify it with a response... but I will.

He may be guilty of fraud, and if that's the case he should be prosecuted, but the inherent act of deception which he committed should be legal.

[free_thinkers_are_dangerous]

So what if they refuse medical treatment and they think the Lord will heal them instead?

Apparently you need to read up on Abraham Cherrix... You do know people do have the right to refuse medical treatment on any grounds right?

So what? So they die in the name of television ratings? That means nothing to you?

Sure, they're allowed. I'm not contesting that. My beef is that they're being tricked into doing it.

[dei]

I think anyone who attends a megachurch should be executed.

[Volumnius Flush]

So what? So they die in the name of television ratings? That means nothing to you?

Sure, they're allowed. I'm not contesting that. My beef is that they're being tricked into doing it.

My belief is that it may be true, but in most cases it isn't. If they want to believe a lie, it is a free country and they can do that (believe lies).

[ringworm]

i saw hagee preaching last week, why i stopped the remote on him, i have no idea
something made me stop

but he spent more time preaching what voting habits he wished for his congregation to pursue in the holy war we are facing in the middle east than lessons of christianity

[BridgeToSolace]

My belief is that it may be true, but in most cases it isn't. If they want to believe a lie, it is a free country and they can do that (believe lies).

You really hate the FDA, don't you?

[rasputin]

I agree with Volumnius Flush in that if people are stupid enough to believe this rubbish, it's their own problem; they shouldn't have any legal protection.

[Volumnius Flush]

You really hate the FDA, don't you?

Why would that mean I hate the FDA? Maybe I'm missing something but I reallyyyy don't get your point.

I agree with Volumnius Flush in that if people are stupid enough to believe this rubbish, it's their own problem; they shouldn't have any legal protection.

Exactly.

[RunAmokRampant]

I can see VF's point tho, its the stupid people's fault for being fooled into such nonsense. Popoff is a convicted fraud right? I mean how can you even trust his credentials?

[BridgeToSolace]

Why would that mean I hate the FDA? Maybe I'm missing something but I reallyyyy don't get your point.

The FDA has been criticized for prohibiting dietary supplement manufacturers from making unsupported claims of effectiveness on the labels of their products. Manufacturers of supplements, which are considered foods for regulatory purposes, are allowed to make only limited "structure/function claims" and are prohibited from claiming that the supplement can prevent, cure, or mitigate a disease or condition unless the supplement undergoes actual testing of its safety and efficacy. Such unsupported claims of effectiveness are considered false advertising.

Essentially, they're the ones who tell you that you can't sell me **** that doesn't do what it's supposed to.

But you seem to be saying that false advertising is okay as long as the person receiving the fallacious care choses to do it.

Which is stupid. I agree he should be allowed to do some of what he does, but making unsupported medical claims is wrong.

[Steerpike]

Which is stupid. I agree he should be allowed to do some of what he does, but making unsupported medical claims is wrong.

Technically, that could fall under the label of practicing medicine without a license, which I recall hearing somewhere is a federal offense. Can someone confirm or deny that for me?

For that reason alone, I fully support seeing every faith healer and psychic offering medical diagnoses and advice thrown in jail to rot like the miserable parasites that they are.

[Dr Hooch]

My belief is that it may be true, but in most cases it isn't. If they want to believe a lie, it is a free country and they can do that (believe lies).

what on earth do you mean by "It's a free country"?

[interviewer02]

what on earth do you mean by "It's a free country"?

He means its a free country, people have a right to think and believe what they want. If someone wants to believe a whacko nutjob like this Popoff guy, they can.

Was that question really necessary.

[beso negro]

yea flush is right on this one

[BridgeToSolace]

He means its a free country, people have a right to think and believe what they want. If someone wants to believe a whacko nutjob like this Popoff guy, they can.

So people can sell me cancer-curing drugs that don't actually cure cancer?

No. We have regulations to stop that ****.

The guy can sell "Aura enhancing" water as much as he wants. That is not a medical claim. But when he pretends to heal people, that is false advertising and fraud.

[Dr Hooch]

He means its a free country, people have a right to think and believe what they want. If someone wants to believe a whacko nutjob like this Popoff guy, they can.

Was that question really necessary.

yes but what on earth makes him think he lives in a free country

[rasputin]

yes but what on earth makes him think he lives in a free country
Oh you know, freedom of expression, freedom of speech, freedom of association, all those other free things that he freely does.

[Jude]

They provide cheap entertainment.

They also heavily influence a lot of stupid people who unfortunately have the right to vote

[beso negro]

So people can sell me cancer-curing drugs that don't actually cure cancer?

No. We have regulations to stop that ****.

that is true but that is set forth by the FDA. The FOOD and DRUG Adminstration.

[Der Übermensch]

So people can sell me cancer-curing drugs that don't actually cure cancer?
Yes, they just have to say it hasn't been evaluated by the FDA and blah blah blah.

[Steerpike]

that is true but that is set forth by the FDA. The FOOD and DRUG Adminstration.

Which would have the jurisdiction to regulate any pill or remedy that these whack-jobs are promoting as a cure for cancer.

[Dr Hooch]

Oh you know, freedom of expression, freedom of speech, freedom of association, all those other free things that he freely does.

yes, but under which of those does "believing lies" come under?

there is no constitutional right to believe that doctors are all evil and the best cure for a broken leg is 250ml of televangelist spring water; because if you did that to your kid, the kid would get taken into care.

What i'm saying is that "free country" doesn't mean what he's implying it means. At all.

[Eliminator]

after a short stint trying to sleep on my couch at 4:48 am after work and watching Peter Popoff doing his thing I came to the conclusion I want to punch him in the face.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_2DmyD3hXGk

I am absolutely disgusted and appaled by this, it is probably a really poor representation of religion but hey if this guy and others like him are a spawn of it's existence i'm all for its bloody dismemberment.

i'm glad people like this are keeping true faith to our lord alive in these horrible times

[EinzingerIsGod]

it is a free country

Okay, I am going to divulge a bit here but I want to examine your claim of the United States of America as a free country.

Let's define a free country as a country in which all people are afforded the right to do as they please so long as they do not infringe on the rights of others. I think we can agree on that.

With that established let me give you some examples of how this country isn't free because the "it's a free country" argument is something you use on the playground in 1st grade and has no place in this sort of forum.

1) People should be free to love who they want and express their love for that person how they want. But, some want a constitutional ban on gay marriage.

2) Women should be free to make as much money as men in the same job position with the same credentials. But, they statistically make only 70% of men's salaries.

3) People should be free to vote for the candidate of their choice in order to express their political beliefs. But, poor, mostly black communities in battleground states in 2004 faced extremely inadequate polling services which prevented a good percentage of those who came out to vote from doing so.

I could continue but I think you see my point. This country affords rights and freedoms to some. Over time that group has expanded from white, property owning males to supposedly all people (although I would argue against that). The point of all of this though is to say that the "it's a free country" argument is a dismissive one.

The fact of the matter is that these megachurch pastors prey on the insecurities of their followers. Go read American Fascists. It is a great book about this whole right-wing Christian movement.

[Eliminator]

why do you hate freedom so much

[EinzingerIsGod]

me?

[Eliminator]

no, beetle bailey

[Meatplow]

i'm glad people like this are keeping true faith to our lord alive in these horrible times

oh yes one earpiece at a time

[DBoons Ghost]

If televangelists are fraudulent they really are no more fraudulent than any religion who takes your money.

A catholic mass will offer your name up for prayers during the "lord, hear our prayer" part but only if you make a donation.

There really is no difference.

[EinzingerIsGod]

I don't "hate freedom". I think I explained my definition of freedom very clearly. These pastors are exploiting their parishioners and using their insecurities to rob them.

And to your question of "why do I hate freedom"...

These kinds of questions are just like the "it's a free country" argument; they are 1st grade, entrapping questions. It's like the joke I used to hear kids say when I was younger:

"Do your parents know you're gay?"

No matter which way you answer the joke is...you're gay. It's a leading question with a presumption made on no evidence. When you ask why I hate freedom it assumes that I hate freedom and I am now expected to defend that position.

I enjoy the freedoms I have. I just think this country could use a lot more.

[Eliminator]

im not stupid i know what your saying

why dont you take your nazi idealoges elsewhere

[Steerpike]

If televangelists are fraudulent they really are no more fraudulent than any religion who takes your money.

A catholic mass will offer your name up for prayers during the "lord, hear our prayer" part but only if you make a donation.

There really is no difference.

I agree with this, but not in the way I think you intended.

[EinzingerIsGod]

Nazism is clearly not in line with my beliefs. Stop with the childish attacks.

[DBoons Ghost]

I agree with this, but not in the way I think you intended.

I don't know whether to question what you mean or just accept it and move on.

[beso negro]

there is no constitutional right to believe that doctors are all evil and the best cure for a broken leg is 250ml of televangelist spring water; because if you did that to your kid, the kid would get taken into care.

sure there is

1)People should be free to love who they want and express their love for that person how they want. But, some want a constitutional ban on gay marriage.

but those people are idiots :confused:

2) Women should be free to make as much money as men in the same job position with the same credentials. But, they statistically make only 70% of men's salaries.

companies are free to pay what ever salaries they want

3) People should be free to vote for the candidate of their choice in order to express their political beliefs. But, poor, mostly black communities in battleground states in 2004 faced extremely inadequate polling services which prevented a good percentage of those who came out to vote from doing so.

source?

[Ghoul Hustler]

Peter Popoff rules. I could seriously watch this man all day.

[Volumnius Flush]

Technically, that could fall under the label of practicing medicine without a license, which I recall hearing somewhere is a federal offense. Can someone confirm or deny that for me?

Faith healing does not constitute practicing medicine.

yes, but under which of those does "believing lies" come under?

There is arguably, and unequivocally accepted, a constitutionally protected right to freedom of religion. Therefore we then have the right to believe lies, (that is, it is constitutionally protected).

[Eliminator]

Nazism is clearly not in line with my beliefs. Stop with the childish attacks.

sounds like something a nazi would say

[Steerpike]

I don't know whether to question what you mean or just accept it and move on.

Religion bashing.

Faith healing does not constitute practicing medicine.

Why not?

[free_thinkers_are_dangerous]

There is arguably, and unequivocally accepted, a constitutionally protected right to freedom of religion. Therefore we then have the right to believe lies, (that is, it is constitutionally protected).

This is such a stupid attitude. By the same logic it's my constitutional right to set a landmine on my property because it's your constitutional choice not to see it and blow your leg off.

[Volumnius Flush]

Why not?

Go look up the definition of medicine if you want a physical reason. If you want a biblical reason, Luke was a physician and if he were to use his craft to say "fix (not heal) people" it would have been scientific, however the healing of the apostles was rooted in faith and spirituality which is not a constitution for medicine.

[1338 h4x0r]

Why is faith-healing so piss-poor?

[Volumnius Flush]

Why is faith-healing so piss-poor?

Because people are making a show/mockery of it. The true healing was in the times of the apostles, though there are apostles today.

[Iscariot]

televangelists are not real christians they make a show of the christian faith to line their own pockets

any sensible christian should be ashamed to associate with such a person

[1338 h4x0r]

Because people are making a show/mockery of it. The true healing was in the times of the apostles, though there are apostles today.

Such as...?

[Volumnius Flush]

televangelists are not real christians they make a show of the christian faith to line their own pockets

any sensible christian should be ashamed to associate with such a person

Especially Rod Parsley. He says, "You will be blessed in 2008. Blessings that didn't come in 2007 will come in 2008, just make your donation of $208 or $2008 to Rod Parsley Ministries!"

Such as...?

Who, apostles?

[McP3000]

oh dear god no

[Volumnius Flush]

oh dear god no

Dear God no what?

[Iscariot]

that was probably a response to the op

[Volumnius Flush]

that was probably a response to the op

Oh. My feelings exactly. But with a capital g.

[McP3000]

Both sides of this are extreme and violently passionate

i find this thread trivial and rather useless.

[1338 h4x0r]

Who, apostles?

What apostles are there today?

[Volumnius Flush]

What apostles are there today?

Apostle James, Apostle Pete, that's all I know. I'm not sure about Pete however.

[1338 h4x0r]

Who are Apostles James and Pete? What are their full names?

[Iscariot]

i have never heard of these alleged apostles

[Volumnius Flush]

Who are Apostles James and Pete? What are their full names?

I am not going to tell you. A whackjob liberal like you might try to kill them or send them hate mail.

[1338 h4x0r]

I am not going to tell you. A whackjob liberal like you might try to kill them or send them hate mail.

hahaha

They don't exist

[Volumnius Flush]

hahaha

They don't exist

Brother Pete is Hispanic-American. Brother James is white with gray hair.

[1338 h4x0r]

Yeah that really narrows it down ... especially the one who's white with grey hair, there aren't many televangelists fitting that profile

[Volumnius Flush]

Yeah that really narrows it down

Why would I tell you their names when I don't even know who you are? Same reason I wouldn't give you my name.

[Iscariot]

vf stop trolling and be serious for once

[Volumnius Flush]

vf stop trolling and be serious for once

I am being serious. I wouldn't give him my name because I don't know what he's capable of. He might be a mass murderer.

[1338 h4x0r]

You got me, I'm a mass murderer.

[Iscariot]

lol i don't think 1338 has ever even handled a gun vf don't be a lunatic

[Volumnius Flush]

lol i don't think 1338 has ever even handled a gun vf don't be a lunatic

I've been around guns since the age of 8. It's in ma' blood.

[Iscariot]

the first time i ever fired a gun was in the army and i scored as an expert marksman now shooting is one of my favorite hobbies

i was just born to shoot a gun

[1338 h4x0r]

lol i don't think 1338 has ever even handled a gun vf don't be a lunatic

Mauser K.98 tbh

[Iscariot]

lucky bastard

[1338 h4x0r]

Not really, they're still around

Hell the Israeli military still uses them ... very sturdy rifles

They have a manageable kick but they're incredibly loud

[Iscariot]

i am prejudiced against loud rifles

i'm a sharpshooter so i like something i can fire multiple times with little chance of my location being pinpointed

i'm a sucker for a good 7MM though

it may be loud as hell as but throw a nikon high powered scope on there and i bust dimes at 1000 yards

[1338 h4x0r]

That's strange because the Israelis use Mausers as sniper rifles on urban assignments. Maybe they have some silencing?

[Iscariot]

they probably do

or they put enough distance between themselves and the target that there's a few seconds delay in the sound to throw off the enemy's ability to locate the origin of the shot

[Futue te Ipsum]

They provide cheap entertainment.cheap for you.

They take a lot of money from vulnerable people.

[Jude]

cheap for you.

They take a lot of money from vulnerable people.

That hardly matters the worst thing is that they mind control a lot of idiots who unfortunately are allowed to vote for president and senators

[Futue te Ipsum]

how does that hardly matter are you nuts?

[Jude]

If idiots want to give them money its not any worse than idiots giving money to any other cause

I mean I guess the money helps them mind control more other idiots but tbh they'd do it anyway

[beso negro]

why should we care about vulnerable people?

if they are such idiots to give away all their money and then kill themselves that's actually cool because we don't need those type of people anyways.

[Futue te Ipsum]

why should we care about vulnerable people?

if they are such idiots to give away all their money and then kill themselves that's actually cool because we don't need those type of people anyways.without people influencing them they probably wouldn't become those kinds of people

i thought this would be obvious

[Jude]

No people are idiots by nature but they do various different types of idiotic things by influence but they wouldn't be influenced that way without being natural idiots

[beso negro]

ok

but popoff doesn't make them vulnerable. nice try.

[Futue te Ipsum]

No people are idiots by nature but they do various different types of idiotic things by influence but they wouldn't be influenced that way without being natural idiotsi take it you've got a good enough understanding of psychology and genetics to put weight behind your statement

[Jude]

i take it you've got a good enough understanding of psychology and genetics to put weight behind your statement

Decent enough but not really necessary for this

It's pretty simple that you aren't influenced by **** like that unless you're dumb in the first place

So you're already dumb, then a televangelist influences you do to a dumb thing, but it wouldn't have happened unless you were already dumb

Besides, people can give money to whoever they want, it's no worse than buying stupid products for the sake of fashion

[Steerpike]

Go look up the definition of medicine if you want a physical reason. If you want a biblical reason, Luke was a physician and if he were to use his craft to say "fix (not heal) people" it would have been scientific, however the healing of the apostles was rooted in faith and spirituality which is not a constitution for medicine.

But if you're offering a diagnosis and treatment, that's considered practicing medicine.

Apostle James, Apostle Pete, that's all I know. I'm not sure about Pete however.

You totally made that up.

[beso negro]

except he's not giving them pills, he's just touching them.

lots of people do alternative treatments. instead of taking pills for arthritis, they do acupuncture. should the person doing the acupuncture be locked up too?

[interviewer02]

So people can sell me cancer-curing drugs that don't actually cure cancer?

No. We have regulations to stop that ****.

The guy can sell "Aura enhancing" water as much as he wants. That is not a medical claim. But when he pretends to heal people, that is false advertising and fraud.
well yeah, of course there are regulations, and I never said there wasn't. All I was responding to is that someone was questioning about the "free country" idea.

[interviewer02]

yes, but under which of those does "believing lies" come under?

there is no constitutional right to believe that doctors are all evil and the best cure for a broken leg is 250ml of televangelist spring water; because if you did that to your kid, the kid would get taken into care.

What i'm saying is that "free country" doesn't mean what he's implying it means. At all.
yeah, well I wouldn't want to live in a truly free country, because then someone would be free to come into my house and kill me. There are regulations for a reason, I don't know if you're implying that the U.S. isn't a free country or not, but I live in the United States, and trust me, its a free country. There are certain things about my country that I dislike, but for the most part, I'm damn lucky to be living here.

[sLarkin20]

I lurv Amerrica~

[free_thinkers_are_dangerous]

yeah, well I wouldn't want to live in a truly free country, because then someone would be free to come into my house and kill me.

I don't think anybody except anarchists thinks that a free country means one devoid of laws or social order. They're referring more to freedom of speech, equal access to everything, etc.

There are regulations for a reason, I don't know if you're implying that the U.S. isn't a free country or not, but I live in the United States, and trust me, its a free country. There are certain things about my country that I dislike, but for the most part, I'm damn lucky to be living here.

There are things that could and should be worked on. Just because your country is pretty good doesn't mean it can't be better. You wouldn't think the US was so free and just if you were arrested under the Patriot Act and held in Guantanamo Bay without trial, or for sending money to your starving relatives in Cuba, or however many other things aren't perfect.

[Jude]

Pretending to faith heal people isn't like selling fake medicine because you're not technically selling anything, they're just giving you money cause they believe in you

[sLarkin20]

But what if the people buying the fake medicine believe it will actually cure them, just like believing the retarded faith healers will D:

[Jude]

The faith healers aren't selling anything

[free_thinkers_are_dangerous]

they're making money based on their supposed abilities.


i'm not on the side of people who think it should be illegal because that'd be retarded, but it's also retarded to think it's perfectly ok for supposed christians to make money fraudulently helping people and probably making them worse off than they would've been if they'd just gone to a hospital or stayed home and read a book.

[Steerpike]

except he's not giving them pills, he's just touching them.

lots of people do alternative treatments. instead of taking pills for arthritis, they do acupuncture. should the person doing the acupuncture be locked up too?

If they have no license to practice medicine, conventional or alternative, then yes.

Pretending to faith heal people isn't like selling fake medicine because you're not technically selling anything, they're just giving you money cause they believe in you

They're still turning a profit. Unless you have tax exempt status and can actively prove you're a non-profit organization, I fail to see how that's anything but trouble.

[Jude]

i'm not on the side of people who think it should be illegal because that'd be retarded, but it's also retarded to think it's perfectly ok for supposed christians to make money fraudulently helping people and probably making them worse off than they would've been if they'd just gone to a hospital or stayed home and read a book.
OK it's ethically wrong for sure but I'm talking legally
They're still turning a profit. Unless you have tax exempt status and can actively prove you're a non-profit organization, I fail to see how that's anything but trouble.
Wait that means that if I'm playing guitar on the street and people give me a lot of money because I'm good, that's trouble

[sLarkin20]

The faith healers aren't selling anything

You mean besides themselves? That's exactly what they are doing on all those stupid late night shows. They are salespeople.

[free_thinkers_are_dangerous]

Wait that means that if I'm playing guitar on the street and people give me a lot of money because I'm good, that's trouble
Are you trying to be funny, or do you really believe the crap you post?

[interviewer02]

There are things that could and should be worked on. Just because your country is pretty good doesn't mean it can't be better. You wouldn't think the US was so free and just if you were arrested under the Patriot Act and held in Guantanamo Bay without trial, or for sending money to your starving relatives in Cuba, or however many other things aren't perfect.

Thats exactly what I'm saying. I don't think we should be worrying about sending men to Mars, we should be worried about lowing the unemployment rate, and raising average salaries of American workers.

Thats why I'm frustrated about Iraq. The loss of life and time wasted are more important, but think about the money. It's crazy, and it pisses me off. I saw a billboard near my house that read something like 800 million dollars a day is what the Iraq war costs. Wow...think about where we'd be with all that extra money.

[Volumnius Flush]

But if you're offering a diagnosis and treatment, that's considered practicing medicine.



You totally made that up.

Spiritual medicine. You know the song, "I'll start going your way. You start going mine. We meet in the middle..."

I did not make that up. Apostle James preaches at a church in East Texas, and he has approximately 120 members. I have known him for most of my life actually.

[1338 h4x0r]

lol wut a fgt

[Volumnius Flush]

lol wut a fgt

Thanks for your substantial contribution to the forums!

[1338 h4x0r]

The fact that people refer to modern men as "apostles" (extremely narcissist) makes me wish the Tenth Legion were back together to strike fear into them old-school.

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The fact that people refer to modern men as "apostles" (extremely narcissist) makes me wish the Tenth Legion were back together to strike fear into them old-school.

There are a growing number of Christians that you really don't want to mess with. I'll leave it at that.

[1338 h4x0r]

There are a growing number of Christians that you really don't want to mess with. I'll leave it at that.

Thanks for lifting the facade of "turn the other cheek" and "love thy neighbor". You've revealed what fundamentalist Amurr'kin Protestant movements are really about: drinking a lot of beer, crude views towards women and being really nasty towards others

In the mean time, you should keep an eye out for the ranks of Legio X Fretensis closing on your inbred hick church

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Thanks for lifting the facade of "turn the other cheek" and "love thy neighbor". You've revealed what fundamentalist Amurr'kin Protestant movements are really about: drinking a lot of beer, crude views towards women and being really nasty towards others

In the mean time, you should keep an eye out for the ranks of Legio X Fretensis closing on your inbred hick church

There is a minority of Christians who are very dangerous.

[1338 h4x0r]

There is a minority of Christians who are very dangerous.

Yes, and I laugh at them every time The 700 Club comes on. I hope you have a point. If so, please get to it.

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Yes, and I laugh at them every time The 700 Club comes on. I hope you have a point. If so, please get to it.

That was exactly my point. Christians are starting to become militant in the vein of Islamic terrorism, though they are not terrorists. They are just preparing for when the Satanists rise up to overthrow the church.

[Iscariot]

the concept of satanists overthrowing the church is a militant ideal spawned in the time of the crusades to encourage action against the muslims

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the concept of satanists overthrowing the church is a militant ideal spawned in the time of the crusades to encourage action against the muslims

The Satanists are planning an uprising. One source claims that they will be having sex in the sanctuary, making sacrifices on the altar, they have already penetrated the churches, and they will also be pissing in the aisles. And then they will get very crazy.

[1338 h4x0r]

Chick tracts + laced weed = VF

[Volumnius Flush]

Chick tracts + laced weed = VF

Who said I ever dealt with chick tracts, or any tracts for that matter?

[1338 h4x0r]

It seems reasonable

[Volumnius Flush]

It seems reasonable

I don't use tracts. But you can believe it if you want...

[1338 h4x0r]

No thx

[Volumnius Flush]

No thx

So who is this Legio X Fretensis?

[1338 h4x0r]

http://www.livius.org/le-lh/legio/x_fretensis.html

[Volumnius Flush]

http://www.livius.org/le-lh/legio/x_fretensis.html

So how is it descending on my church? I assume you have no clue where it's at and plus this was 2000 years ago.

[1338 h4x0r]

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/facetious

[Volumnius Flush]

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/facetious

Well you know you really shouldn't make threats over the internet.

[1338 h4x0r]

I didn't threaten anyone. What I said was no worse than your "There are some Christians you really shouldn't mess with *hyuck hyuck hyuck*", especially since Legio X Fretensis last served in the 2nd century CE.

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I didn't threaten anyone. What I said was no worse than your "There are some Christians you really shouldn't mess with *hyuck hyuck hyuck*", especially since Legio X Fretensis last served in the 2nd century CE.

I wasn't talking about myself. I was just saying in general there are some very bad Christians who will tear your world apart.

[1338 h4x0r]

I wasn't talking about myself. I was just saying in general there are some very bad Christians who will tear your world apart.

I intend to move to a civilized country, so that isn't much of an issue for me.

And, btw, I was never a member of the Tenth Legion, so I wasn't really talking about myself either