Oink User Arrests

[Meatplow]

http://torrentfreak.com/oink-investigation-police-make-arrests-080530/

so... fabricated nonsense? scare tactic? implications?

EDIT- further news

TorrentFreak has received information which suggests that British police have made good on their claim that they would go after ex-users of OiNK. Last week, several officers arrested at least one individual for the seeding of a single album. It is believed police are in the process of arresting and questioning others.

When the OiNK tracker was shutdown in 2007, a statement appeared on the site’s homepage. This time - and unusually for the UK - it would be the police investigating a file-sharing case, not some anti-piracy group flexing their muscles in civil action. But even now, months after OiNK was shutdown, no-one - including OiNK admin Alan Ellis - has been charged with anything.

Would OiNK users really become a target for the police, despite the presumed civil status of sharing music on P2P networks? If so, why?

Right from the start, there has been a concerted effort by various elements of the music industry to portray everyday citizens using OiNK - presumably including the likes of Trent Reznor - as hardened criminals out to ruin the industry. At the time, BPI Chief Executive Geoff Taylor called OiNK a “closed criminal network” and unfortunately this type of comment set the general tone for many follow up news articles.

In reality, OiNK offered no music of its own but was the venue of an unofficial virtual party, where a limited number of people listened to music without fees or charges, in a modern take on pirate radio - but with a twist. If people had some music to share with others then so much the better, they could bring it along, add it to the index (and that’s all OiNK was, an index) and everyone could listen, to see if they liked it too.

Of all things, it was certainly not about money and a large proportion of the members wouldn’t even have considered that sharing music would result in police knocking on the door, any more than as a result of them using YouTube. But knock they did.

Last week Cleveland Police arrested a user of OiNK in the Cheshire area, who was questioned and later released on police bail. It is alleged that the individual - a normal user of the site who has no previous involvement with the police and no criminal convictions - uploaded a solitary album in early 2007.

Furthermore, information suggests that the police will be arresting and interviewing more users in the course of this investigation but at this stage it is unclear exactly who they are targeting and why. A one-off album uploader seems an unlikely target, particularly as legally in the UK, the fact that the album was allegedly pre-released - as opposed to released after retail - means little.

Going on previous cases, uploading (sharing) would be a civilly actionable offense - lawyers Davenport Lyons in the UK are happy to send out bills to those it claims uploaded its client’s games and the police aren’t interested. But for reasons no-one seems to fully understand, the police are involved in this case and have sent a car full of officers to make an arrest at the individual’s place of work, all for sharing a few minutes of music.

Another issue up for debate is the big question mark sitting over the usefulness of site logs. Stats are manipulated all the time for one reason or another and trackers have to rely on a user’s torrent client reporting data correctly. To be anywhere close to proving infringement it is necessary to track the transfer of data from within the swarm by directly receiving data from the uploader. This is fairly trivial, does not require the site logs and importantly should’ve been done at the time the album was uploaded. Why there has been such a huge delay in taking further action is unknown.

Last year saw an unexplained shift in the way copyright actions are dealt with in the UK. Out of nowhere, both OiNK and the popular TV-Links sites were taken down by police action where one would usually expect a civil lawsuit, leaving prominent legal experts intrigued as to the legal basis.

Uploading one album is not the world’s most heinous crime, in fact, unless the UK legal system changed overnight, it’s not a crime at all since there would’ve been no commercial gain for the user. So what route is this investigation taking? What is the significance of arresting this individual and investigating others over a seemingly small civil issue, and why has it taken so long to do so?

As usual, there are more questions than answers. The arrests have started, but it is unknown how many people are involved. We contacted the Police department that was responsible for at least one arrest, however, they did not respond to our inquiries. If you have any information, please contact TorrentFreak here, as we will post an update of the arrests later this weekend.

Confirmation from another source

Cleveland police have today confirmed that six people have been arrested for allegedly sharing music files via the defunct BitTorrent tracker OiNK.cd.

Five men aged between 19 and 33, and a 28-year-old woman were detained "in relation to uploading pre-release music", the force said in a statement. Three of the arrests were made on Friday 23 May, and three on Wednesday 28 May.

All have been bailed without charge, pending further inquiries. A spokeswoman for Cleveland police was unable to provide details of which specific criminal law or laws the six are under suspicion of breaking.

The swoop comes more than seven months after OiNK.cd was shutdown by a widely-publicised raid at the Middlesbrough home of its adminstrator, 24-year old IT worker Alan Ellis. A coordinated move by Dutch police also seized the invitation-only website's servers, which were later returned wiped.

Ellis remains on police bail under suspicion of conspiracy to defraud and infringement of copyright law. His bail has been repeatedly extended, with the next deadline set for 1 July.

Reports of further arrests in the investigation emerged on Friday 30 May on the filesharing blog Torrentfreak. Today it cites sources saying that the majority of those arrested did not know Alan Ellis. It's claimed they have been asked to hand over details of their OiNK.cd accounts, including passwords.

Section 49 of the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act can be used by police to force suspects to disclose encryption keys and passwords. Failure to comply with with a section 49 order carries a prison sentence of up to five years.

At the time of the shutdown, investigators took over the OiNK.cd domain, posting a warning to the site's users. It said: "A criminal investigation continues into the identities and activities of the site's users." Many BitTorrent users had believed further arrests were unlikely, however.

Control of the domain has since returned to its owner.

OiNK.cd was reckoned by many filesharers to be the internet's most complete music source. It focused on high quality files and featured trackers for pre-release material, which drew it special attention from record industry anti-piracy investigators.

The BPI, which represents major record labels in the UK, sent us this statement in response to the news:

"The BPI and IFPI worked with the police in order to close down the OiNK tracker site last October. The illegal online distribution of music, particularly pre-release, is hugely damaging, and as OiNK was the biggest source for pre-releases at the time we moved to shut it down. We provided the information to assist this investigation, but this is now a police matter and we are unable to comment further at this stage."

[bradc1988]

They can't arrest us all!

[GreyHam]

eeesh

well the implications are potentially quite scary. i always seed what i download for a month (or until my ration balances, whichever comes first) and having a fine is not my idea of fun

theyre going to take this person to the cleaners and stick his head on the tower of london for all to see by the sounds of things. completely ineffective of course, because noone who uses P2P cares about the consequences in the slightest

ive lost count of the albums ive bought as a result of downloading a bands music. if i like them, they get my financial support.

deterrents dont work over the internet. plus my ISP is far too lazy to do such things. if they even considered billing me for torrents then a countersuit for misleading advertisment and not providing the service we pay for would be issued faster than you can say 'monopoly's make companies prices and services uncompetitive'

[1338 h4x0r]

http://blogsearch.google.com

That is all

[badtaste]

They can't arrest us all!

Not unless there's a mole amongst us...

>_>

[BassRevelation1029]

They can't arrest us all!
they can, and they will



so... fabricated nonsense? scare tactic? implications?
In this particular case it seems so.

A friend of mine recently had his internet disconnected by his ISP when they found him using a torrent. They threatened to turn his info over to the RIAA, which he may be hearing from any moment now.

[mph4ever]

media corporations taking back control of creative talent

bas'tards need to mordernise rapidly and embrace the new capabilities or die

[bradc1988]

they can, and they will


I can't tell if that's a serious response.

[BassRevelation1029]

media corporations taking back control of creative talent

Better yet, artists should realize they're nothing but products of the record label's they work for and seek creativity through independent efforts.

I can't tell if that's a serious response.
Take it however you want, and we'll go from there.

[Ando!]

this shi is mega gay

[Ando!]

besides isn't just using the cheapest most convenient way to obtain something a pillar of 'capitalism'

[dei]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viJ5W-E3EJc

[Aaron]

http://blogsearch.google.com

That is all
this man knows his ****

[Sunshine]

May 25 20:49:45  oink starts off rumours
May 25 20:49:54 <oink> apparently an uploader from oink was arrested.

May 25 20:53:55 <riomhaire> successful rumour has started
May 25 20:54:09 <azk> bumhair you ***
May 25 20:54:26 <riomhaire> let's see how far this goes
May 25 20:54:44  riomhaire emails torrentfreak

May 25 21:17:39 <riomhaire> http://pastebin.ca/1029182
May 25 21:17:40 <riomhaire>


Oops, my bad.

Non-issue.

[Ando!]

sunshine who invited you to waffles?

I always imagined it as being super elite

[jaredong]

i dont think they can catch everyone, theres tens of thousands, maybe hundreds if not millions.

what they *can* catch i suppose are those super high users who upload and download constantly with a zillion gigs up and down.

plus! i heard they are catching uploaders more so than downloaders (at least in canada)

[Sunshine]

sunshine who invited you to waffles?

I always imagined it as being super elite

I'm on What, not Waffles, but the same thread was posted and someone from Waffles took that and put it on What, so.

[dei]

i dont think they can catch everyone, theres tens of thousands, maybe hundreds if not millions.

what they *can* catch i suppose are those super high users who upload and download constantly with a zillion gigs up and down.

plus! i heard they are catching uploaders more so than downloaders (at least in canada)

I am one of those super high users who upload and download constantly with a zillion gigs up and down. Am I ****ed?

[Sunshine]

Well, no, because it's a rumor. A lie.
Didn't happen.

[Ando!]

I'm on What, not Waffles, but the same thread was posted and someone from Waffles took that and put it on What, so.

thats gay I'm not cool enough to get an invite to either fckin gay internet fags

[bradc1988]

i dont think they can catch everyone, theres tens of thousands, maybe hundreds if not millions.

what they *can* catch i suppose are those super high users who upload and download constantly with a zillion gigs up and down.

plus! i heard they are catching uploaders more so than downloaders (at least in canada)

10s of millions would be a better estimate.

So no they won't catch us all.

[Sunshine]

thats gay I'm not cool enough to get an invite to either fckin gay internet fags

Have you tried asking the BitTorrent thread?

[Ando!]

idk I thought "hey you homos invite me" was sorta frowned upon but I'll give it a go

[Sunshine]

Well it's more like, someone's like HAY I GOT 5 INVITES TO ____
And then the first 5 people get 'um.
Y'know?

[Meatplow]

more news, apparently this is not a result of the internet rumour mill

TorrentFreak has received information which suggests that British police have made good on their claim that they would go after ex-users of OiNK. Last week, several officers arrested at least one individual for the seeding of a single album. It is believed police are in the process of arresting and questioning others.

When the OiNK tracker was shutdown in 2007, a statement appeared on the site’s homepage. This time - and unusually for the UK - it would be the police investigating a file-sharing case, not some anti-piracy group flexing their muscles in civil action. But even now, months after OiNK was shutdown, no-one - including OiNK admin Alan Ellis - has been charged with anything.

Would OiNK users really become a target for the police, despite the presumed civil status of sharing music on P2P networks? If so, why?

Right from the start, there has been a concerted effort by various elements of the music industry to portray everyday citizens using OiNK - presumably including the likes of Trent Reznor - as hardened criminals out to ruin the industry. At the time, BPI Chief Executive Geoff Taylor called OiNK a “closed criminal network” and unfortunately this type of comment set the general tone for many follow up news articles.

In reality, OiNK offered no music of its own but was the venue of an unofficial virtual party, where a limited number of people listened to music without fees or charges, in a modern take on pirate radio - but with a twist. If people had some music to share with others then so much the better, they could bring it along, add it to the index (and that’s all OiNK was, an index) and everyone could listen, to see if they liked it too.

Of all things, it was certainly not about money and a large proportion of the members wouldn’t even have considered that sharing music would result in police knocking on the door, any more than as a result of them using YouTube. But knock they did.

Last week Cleveland Police arrested a user of OiNK in the Cheshire area, who was questioned and later released on police bail. It is alleged that the individual - a normal user of the site who has no previous involvement with the police and no criminal convictions - uploaded a solitary album in early 2007.

Furthermore, information suggests that the police will be arresting and interviewing more users in the course of this investigation but at this stage it is unclear exactly who they are targeting and why. A one-off album uploader seems an unlikely target, particularly as legally in the UK, the fact that the album was allegedly pre-released - as opposed to released after retail - means little.

Going on previous cases, uploading (sharing) would be a civilly actionable offense - lawyers Davenport Lyons in the UK are happy to send out bills to those it claims uploaded its client’s games and the police aren’t interested. But for reasons no-one seems to fully understand, the police are involved in this case and have sent a car full of officers to make an arrest at the individual’s place of work, all for sharing a few minutes of music.

Another issue up for debate is the big question mark sitting over the usefulness of site logs. Stats are manipulated all the time for one reason or another and trackers have to rely on a user’s torrent client reporting data correctly. To be anywhere close to proving infringement it is necessary to track the transfer of data from within the swarm by directly receiving data from the uploader. This is fairly trivial, does not require the site logs and importantly should’ve been done at the time the album was uploaded. Why there has been such a huge delay in taking further action is unknown.

Last year saw an unexplained shift in the way copyright actions are dealt with in the UK. Out of nowhere, both OiNK and the popular TV-Links sites were taken down by police action where one would usually expect a civil lawsuit, leaving prominent legal experts intrigued as to the legal basis.

Uploading one album is not the world’s most heinous crime, in fact, unless the UK legal system changed overnight, it’s not a crime at all since there would’ve been no commercial gain for the user. So what route is this investigation taking? What is the significance of arresting this individual and investigating others over a seemingly small civil issue, and why has it taken so long to do so?

As usual, there are more questions than answers. The arrests have started, but it is unknown how many people are involved. We contacted the Police department that was responsible for at least one arrest, however, they did not respond to our inquiries. If you have any information, please contact TorrentFreak here, as we will post an update of the arrests later this weekend.

Confirmation from another source

Cleveland police have today confirmed that six people have been arrested for allegedly sharing music files via the defunct BitTorrent tracker OiNK.cd.

Five men aged between 19 and 33, and a 28-year-old woman were detained "in relation to uploading pre-release music", the force said in a statement. Three of the arrests were made on Friday 23 May, and three on Wednesday 28 May.

All have been bailed without charge, pending further inquiries. A spokeswoman for Cleveland police was unable to provide details of which specific criminal law or laws the six are under suspicion of breaking.

The swoop comes more than seven months after OiNK.cd was shutdown by a widely-publicised raid at the Middlesbrough home of its adminstrator, 24-year old IT worker Alan Ellis. A coordinated move by Dutch police also seized the invitation-only website's servers, which were later returned wiped.

Ellis remains on police bail under suspicion of conspiracy to defraud and infringement of copyright law. His bail has been repeatedly extended, with the next deadline set for 1 July.

Reports of further arrests in the investigation emerged on Friday 30 May on the filesharing blog Torrentfreak. Today it cites sources saying that the majority of those arrested did not know Alan Ellis. It's claimed they have been asked to hand over details of their OiNK.cd accounts, including passwords.

Section 49 of the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act can be used by police to force suspects to disclose encryption keys and passwords. Failure to comply with with a section 49 order carries a prison sentence of up to five years.

At the time of the shutdown, investigators took over the OiNK.cd domain, posting a warning to the site's users. It said: "A criminal investigation continues into the identities and activities of the site's users." Many BitTorrent users had believed further arrests were unlikely, however.

Control of the domain has since returned to its owner.

OiNK.cd was reckoned by many filesharers to be the internet's most complete music source. It focused on high quality files and featured trackers for pre-release material, which drew it special attention from record industry anti-piracy investigators.

The BPI, which represents major record labels in the UK, sent us this statement in response to the news:

"The BPI and IFPI worked with the police in order to close down the OiNK tracker site last October. The illegal online distribution of music, particularly pre-release, is hugely damaging, and as OiNK was the biggest source for pre-releases at the time we moved to shut it down. We provided the information to assist this investigation, but this is now a police matter and we are unable to comment further at this stage."

So... it all seems centered around pre-releases.

[2muchket!]

Funny considering I used Oink and I'm in the process of applying to work for Cleveland police.

[Iscariot]

i hope i get arrested so i can finally have my 15 minutes of fame

i will lead a musical revolution!

f = 23/12 × 440 Hz ≈ 523.2511 Hz. 4 lyfe

[wartomods]

besides isn't just using the cheapest most convenient way to obtain something a pillar of 'capitalism'

caching

[wartomods]

i hope i get arrested so i can finally have my 15 minutes of fame

i will lead a musical revolution!

f = 23/12 × 440 Hz ≈ 523.2511 Hz. 4 lyfe

If you slow down the pace from the police car to the entrance maybe you can get more time

[BridgeToSolace]

American police are still cool with it, right?

[mph4ever]

cool with what? illegally distributing or receiving copyrighted property? they treat those crimes like robbing a bank. they have to ensure they make a constant example of offenders in order that it might deter the masses, which it does by the way. in these instances, the cost of bringing any one offender to justice is massively more than the cost of the crime they are commiting but they need to protect the corporations interests. afterall, that is what they are there for.

[Iscariot]

these arrests don't deter the masses from doing anything because we all know they can't arrest every person that's ever used a p2p program and those that they are arresting have all walked on bail with no further charges

it's basically just a tremendous waste of money and effort

[BridgeToSolace]

they treat those crimes like robbing a bank.

No they don't. What does the robbing a bank part have to do with anything?

They don't try to stop ALL bank robberies, just some of them? You know, to deter the bank robbers?

they have to ensure they make a constant example of offenders in order that it might deter the masses, which it does by the way.

Show me the statistics that say an increase in prosecutions causes a decrease in downloading, plz.

Oh, and while you're at it, why not the statistics that say music downloading causes significant harm to the industry?

[mph4ever]

these arrests don't deter the masses from doing anything because we all know they can't arrest every person that's ever used a p2p program and those that they are arresting have all walked on bail with no further charges

it's basically just a tremendous waste of money and effort

ok, all i am suggesting is that news annoucements relating to people being prosecuted for sharing music would cause lots of them to not do anything deemed illegal any longer. i am on a few sites and i know the real users run scared when there is word put about that perhaps they are being targeted by the police. people close up shop for a while until the dust settles. if the big users are acting like that then you will find the masses will be hesitant to go too far.


No they don't. What does the robbing a bank part have to do with anything?

They don't try to stop ALL bank robberies, just some of them? You know, to deter the bank robbers?

they don't try to stop any bank robberies but they do try and solve some high profile ones and publish loads of information about them so that it can act as a deterrent to others that might be considering a bank robbery

Show me the statistics that say an increase in prosecutions causes a decrease in downloading, plz.

Oh, and while you're at it, why not the statistics that say music downloading causes significant harm to the industry?


ok, i worked on a project to develop encryption technologies for the music industry. it was based on wrapper technology that would allow each song to exist in a fashion that would require encryptiion and decryption technology as the song was played or copied or moved from device to device. the project was halted due to the massive investment required by consumers to purchase compatible technology for playback. one of the blokes from a very large music publishing house which i can't name for obvious reasons said that they had decided to hold off on the copyright technology for now. they would use legal methods to deter people. they targeted sites and others and made sure that people were very aware of the copyright infringements they were committing. they are creating uncertainty with their propaganda whilst they play catch up with technology.

i can't give you statistics but i am sure they are available somewhere if you look. what i can tell you is that there is a whole new level of control coming that will stop this activity dead.

firstly, under web 3.0 there will be total control of content. you will be charged a rate for every type of data that you download. you will also be totally restricted to using only certain internet sites, probably ones that have strategic partnerships with your broadband/access provider. if bmg sony has a deal with verizon then your content will be limited to that provided by bmg sony, the same way that only certain tv channels show only certain studios movies.

secondly, you have heard of hdmi? well the next stage of development of this type of technology will provide on board(in your tv, in your pc, in your stereo) license managment for each of the things you watch on tv or listen to from streaming audio sites. they will remove the ownership of discs and base everything on encrypted images. its already happening with apple and ipods where you do not own a disc and if you lose your data then tough. you will no longer be able to watch and record episodes of your favorite shows and store them forever, they will have a lifetime and when it expires you will renew or lose it. the same with music. they will figure out a fee per month that will reward them for you using their content and apply it to you in same way they have done with pay per view or premium cable channels. their model is not based on huge fees per user but based on huge numbers of user conforming and adopting the new technology. the more people using it then the cehaper for everyone whilst the corporations maintain their profits. sure there will always be hackers out there that will find a way around things but with the new privacy laws being introduced everywhere then the law enforcements agencies will be able to ask your isp about your activity and if it shows that you have been doing the wrong then they might take action against you, or penalise you, or disconnect you!

by the way, this is coming and coming fast. they will not continue to accept the wholesale destruction of their business model and will quickly move to introduce technologies that will prevent any breach of copyright.

[mph4ever]

hammer to fall

http://ipower.ning.com/netneutrality

its coming and people are preparing to deal with it

[BridgeToSolace]

i can't give you statistics but i am sure they are available somewhere if you look. what i can tell you is that there is a whole new level of control coming that will stop this activity dead.

I have looked.

http://www.ic.gc.ca/epic/site/ippd-dppi.nsf/vwapj/IndustryCanadaPaperMay4_2007_en.pdf/$FILE/IndustryCanadaPaperMay4_2007_en.pdf

The primary objective of this paper is to determine the effects of P2P file-sharing on
purchases of CDs and electronically-delivered music tracks, using representative
survey data from the Canadian population.
In the aggregate, we are unable to discover any direct relationship between P2P filesharing
and CD purchases in Canada. The analysis of the entire Canadian population
does not uncover either a positive or negative relationship between the number of files
downloaded from P2P networks and CDs purchased. That is, we find no direct evidence
to suggest that the net effect of P2P file-sharing on CD purchasing is either positive or
negative for Canada as a whole. These inferences are based on the results obtained from
estimation of the negative binomial models (Table 4.1 and Appendix 4).
However, our analysis of the Canadian P2P file-sharing subpopulation suggests that
there is a strong positive relationship between P2P file-sharing and CD purchasing. That
is, among Canadians actually engaged in it, P2P file-sharing increases CD purchasing.
We estimate that the effect of one additional P2P download per month is to increase
music purchasing by 0.44 CDs per year (based on estimates obtained from the negative
binomial model in Table 4.3). Furthermore, we find indirect evidence of the ‘market
creation’ effect of P2P file-sharing in the positive coefficient on the variable ‘Not
available elsewhere’ (Table 4.3).

And then you started rambling about the apocalypse or something.

[Reaganista]

besides isn't just using the cheapest most convenient way to obtain something a pillar of 'capitalism'

no that's called stealing a pillar of capitalism is that you buy things not steal them duh

strong positive relationship between P2P file-sharing and CD purchasing. That
is, among Canadians actually engaged in it, P2P file-sharing increases CD purchasing.
We estimate that the effect of one additional P2P download per month is to increase
music purchasing by 0.44 CDs per year
they're assuming causality for no reason at all

[mph4ever]

I have looked.

http://www.ic.gc.ca/epic/site/ippd-dppi.nsf/vwapj/IndustryCanadaPaperMay4_2007_en.pdf/$FILE/IndustryCanadaPaperMay4_2007_en.pdf

The primary objective of this paper is to determine the effects of P2P file-sharing on
purchases of CDs and electronically-delivered music tracks, using representative
survey data from the Canadian population.
In the aggregate, we are unable to discover any direct relationship between P2P filesharing
and CD purchases in Canada. The analysis of the entire Canadian population
does not uncover either a positive or negative relationship between the number of files
downloaded from P2P networks and CDs purchased. That is, we find no direct evidence
to suggest that the net effect of P2P file-sharing on CD purchasing is either positive or
negative for Canada as a whole. These inferences are based on the results obtained from
estimation of the negative binomial models (Table 4.1 and Appendix 4).
However, our analysis of the Canadian P2P file-sharing subpopulation suggests that
there is a strong positive relationship between P2P file-sharing and CD purchasing. That
is, among Canadians actually engaged in it, P2P file-sharing increases CD purchasing.
We estimate that the effect of one additional P2P download per month is to increase
music purchasing by 0.44 CDs per year (based on estimates obtained from the negative
binomial model in Table 4.3). Furthermore, we find indirect evidence of the ‘market
creation’ effect of P2P file-sharing in the positive coefficient on the variable ‘Not
available elsewhere’ (Table 4.3).

And then you started rambling about the apocalypse or something.

yeah, i told you if you looked then you would find statistics.:thumb:

canadians are model citizens, they live the laws. also, its more than a year old, things are moving fast, people are downloading from torrents all the time, more and more, content is being published straight to the internet, like radiohead did. this p!sses off the corporations. they now want to control the access and content that you download via their pipes. but until they can do that they will use deterents, just like the irs do with tax cheats in america, publish to make the 90% stop or not indulge.

the corporations are preparing for the apocalypse.

apocalypse - any universal or widespread destruction

if you consider the destruction of freedom of speech, freedom of movement and the total destruction of your privacy to be an issue then the apocalypse is well on its way. it has started with the patriot act, in europe it will continue with the lisbon treaty and on the internet it will commence with the next version of isp managed and monitored access. if thats not apocalyptic for people like us then i really don't know what is.

[wartomods]

no that's called stealing a pillar of capitalism is that you buy things not steal them duh


they're assuming causality for no reason at all

reaginista, steal is fo ****ers, people need to realize things have changed, records have no more tangible value

[wartomods]

yeah, i told you if you looked then you would find statistics.:thumb:

canadians are model citizens, they live the laws. also, its more than a year old, things are moving fast, people are downloading from torrents all the time, more and more, content is being published straight to the internet, like radiohead did. this p!sses off the corporations. they now want to control the access and content that you download via their pipes. but until they can do that they will use deterents, just like the irs do with tax cheats in america, publish to make the 90% stop or not indulge.

the corporations are preparing for the apocalypse.

apocalypse - any universal or widespread destruction

if you consider the destruction of freedom of speech, freedom of movement and the total destruction of your privacy to be an issue then the apocalypse is well on its way. it has started with the patriot act, in europe it will continue with the lisbon treaty and on the internet it will commence with the next version of isp managed and monitored access. if thats not apocalyptic for people like us then i really don't know what is.


true right there, right now isp's are keeping enough impartial capitalist, they garuantee us some freedom, but if the ****ers get isp controls , they do whatever they want, people laugh at me , when i say that hypothethecly the corporation that controls the net will control the world
that rules

[Meatplow]

hammer to fall

http://ipower.ning.com/netneutrality

its coming and people are preparing to deal with it

i can't see this taking off

a consumer backlash will occur, watered down internet will just not appeal to a society that craves the kind of stimulation it currently offers

[Reaganista]

agree the net neutrality alarmists are completely retarded

reaginista, steal is fo ****ers, people need to realize things have changed, records have no more tangible value

ok in english please

[mph4ever]

i can't see this taking off

a consumer backlash will occur, watered down internet will just not appeal to a society that craves the kind of stimulation it currently offers

i agree with you and i hope it nevers happens, where would everybody be without youporn lol

don't know anyone who switched off their tv when that industry went from free to air and national stations to syndicated networks

but all this image right and copyright and licensing stuff is very real. the only way to make money on the internet is through content, even advertising revenue is based on the quality of content the advertisement sits alongside. people don't like the infomercial things coming along so the only way the bigs boys will amke money out of our activity on the internet is through charging. they will charge for content and partner with content providers to ensure they have the most sought after content, it will be just like the network television model, syndicated and costly

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agree the net neutrality alarmists are completely retarded



ok in english please

i refuse to write in english

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I have looked.

http://www.ic.gc.ca/epic/site/ippd-dppi.nsf/vwapj/IndustryCanadaPaperMay4_2007_en.pdf/$FILE/IndustryCanadaPaperMay4_2007_en.pdf

The primary objective of this paper is to determine the effects of P2P file-sharing on
purchases of CDs and electronically-delivered music tracks, using representative
survey data from the Canadian population.
In the aggregate, we are unable to discover any direct relationship between P2P filesharing
and CD purchases in Canada. The analysis of the entire Canadian population
does not uncover either a positive or negative relationship between the number of files
downloaded from P2P networks and CDs purchased. That is, we find no direct evidence
to suggest that the net effect of P2P file-sharing on CD purchasing is either positive or
negative for Canada as a whole. These inferences are based on the results obtained from
estimation of the negative binomial models (Table 4.1 and Appendix 4).
However, our analysis of the Canadian P2P file-sharing subpopulation suggests that
there is a strong positive relationship between P2P file-sharing and CD purchasing. That
is, among Canadians actually engaged in it, P2P file-sharing increases CD purchasing.
We estimate that the effect of one additional P2P download per month is to increase
music purchasing by 0.44 CDs per year (based on estimates obtained from the negative
binomial model in Table 4.3). Furthermore, we find indirect evidence of the ‘market
creation’ effect of P2P file-sharing in the positive coefficient on the variable ‘Not
available elsewhere’ (Table 4.3).

And then you started rambling about the apocalypse or something.

here, get this, this is where canada is heading


Canada is about to prove itself good friends with movie studios and record companies, trying to pass the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) we’ve been hearing about for the past few months. The idea behind this proposed international agreement is to search iPods, mp3 players and electronic devices for pirated videos and music at Canada’s borders, and get other countries in on the crazy ransacking of people’s rights, too. The agreement also aims to stop peer-to-peer applications such as BitTorrent

http://dvice.com/archives/2008/06/canada_may_sear.php