Chuck Shuldiner (oMG I just found out he died)

[interviewer02]

I'm getting increasingly frustrated and sad about this guy's untimely passing.

There have been a lot of terrible deaths in metal over the last 30 years, but I'm starting to think that Chuck's passing is the worst of them all. If you listen to The Sound of Perseverance, you hear a band that has reached a level of creativity that probably has not yet been surpassed and matched only by a few, and who knows how great they could have been even.

I mean, yeah, I loved Dimebag, but at the time of his death, his best material was 10 years behind him. I feel like Chuck hadn't even reached his peak yet.

[Stevie IV]

Man, even within a genre that rejects christianity in favour of life affirming reality people become typical life hating christians when it comes to someone dying. He's dead. Death is a part of life. Deal with it.

[McP3000]

I think Chuck's peak was going to be The Sound of Perseverance. It was to be the last Death album, and supposedly he was going to just play in a straight up progressive rock band afterwards. I would have loved to hear where the Prog rock would have gone, but I seriously doubt it would have been as good as his last four Death albums.

edit: stop being an idiot stevie

[interviewer02]

Man, even within a genre that rejects christianity in favour of life affirming reality people become typical life hating christians when it comes to someone dying. He's dead. Death is a part of life. Deal with it.

wow, you're an idiot.

Anyways, I didn't know that was going to be Death's last album. But still, it saddens me.

[dinosaurxbrocore]

schuldiner sucked at screaming and his guitarwork was really wanky for the most part

[interviewer02]

schuldiner sucked at screaming and his guitarwork was really wanky for the most part

are you kidding me? His vocals on TSOP are second to none in the death metal genre. As far as "wanky" goes, he wasn't soloing 4 times in every song, and he was a riff based guitar player...so there goes that.

[Stevie IV]

schuldiner is overrated

[Eliminator]

um i like schuldiner's voice but lol SECOND TO NONE SOME OF THE BEST EVER

[interviewer02]

um i like schuldiner's voice but lol SECOND TO NONE SOME OF THE BEST EVER

well, its just an opinion. And yes, I think Shuldiner on TSOP is my favorite Death Metal vocal I've yet heard. He sounds demonic yet you can almost understand everything he says, and you can't say that about most Death metal vocalists.

[lionelhutz88]

Individual Thought Patterns>TSOP.
I've always prefered his Human era deeper growls to the TSOP higher pitched stuff.

[guitrguy]

Man, even within a genre that rejects christianity in favour of life affirming reality people become typical life hating christians when it comes to someone dying. He's dead. Death is a part of life. Deal with it.

I suppose its not so bad that I don't care about his death.

[pate]

First post should be changed to "oMG I just found out he died"

[interviewer02]

Individual Thought Patterns>TSOP.
I've always prefered his Human era deeper growls to the TSOP higher pitched stuff.
not me. His voice is heavier around that era, but it lacks clarity and emotion.

I like Cristie over Hoglan though too. Although Hoglan was a superb drummer.

[Eliminator]

lol his growls weren't deep

ever

[omgwtfboogie]

"put to death like Chuck Schuldiner"

Get it?

Anyways, I don't get the point of this thread. Are we supposed to compare his contribution and death to those of others and see who wins an untimely passing contest?

Also, if you're going to make a thread for someone, make sure you know how to properly spell their name.

[halfdeadhippo]

I think Chuck's peak was going to be The Sound of Perseverance. It was to be the last Death album, and supposedly he was going to just play in a straight up progressive rock band afterwards. I would have loved to hear where the Prog rock would have gone, but I seriously doubt it would have been as good as his last four Death albums.

edit: stop being an idiot stevie
You must be thinking of Control Denied, which was basically a progression of The Sound of Perseverance, only with clean vocals. The only member who wasn't in Death at some point was the vocalist.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=549

[Det_Nosnip]

I like Cristie over Hoglan though too. Although Hoglan was a superb drummer.

Wow. First time I've seen that...hopefully the last. :eek:

[Ghoul Hustler]

The best thing about Chuck was that he didn't know anything about music theory or composing. This ended up making Death a whole lot better.

[Eliminator]

he should've just sang in his surfer dude accent

[Ghoul Hustler]

surfer fag accent*

[guitrguy]

k, I think we need to brainstorm chuck jokes.

[dinosaurxbrocore]

are you kidding me? His vocals on TSOP are second to none in the death metal genre.
:lol:

watch how much more varied and just powerful this guy's vocals are:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=H8i1QRRukwQ

As far as "wanky" goes, he wasn't soloing 4 times in every song, and he was a riff based guitar player...so there goes that.
his riffs are wanky and annoying

[badtaste]

First post should be changed to "oMG I just found out he died"

Dang, that's what I thought when I opened this thread, haha.

Okay, time to get myself some Death.

[Shattered_Future]

:lol:

watch how much more varied and just powerful this guy's vocals are:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=H8i1QRRukwQ

All in favor of Mappy not being allowed to post examples of screamz anymore?

Chuck's vocals suck. Decent composer and guitarist, but his vocals made the band nearly unlistenable for me.

[Eliminator]

nightwish

[dinosaurxbrocore]

you're an idiot if you think anthony gunnells' vocals are bad

also rlly good vocals:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mASaspyvUGs

[pate]

His vocals are better than Tarja's. Blow me.

[Ghoul Hustler]

Anthony Gunnells is great but Chuck is so much better. Talent/technique isn't the point.

and Tarja is fugly horrible mess of a vocalist

[dinosaurxbrocore]

jew powerz destroy nightwish slut

@josh: gunnells was too drunk to know what he was doing, his vocals are still 666% better than chuck's >:[

[Txus]

hahahahaha, nightwish, lol.

anyway, Chuck was a very good musician all around in my humble opinion.

[Eliminator]

death had their own sound tbh even if ppl don tliek it

[masterchaos]

All in favor of Mappy not being allowed to post examples of screamz anymore?

I am...especially his own, they're complete garbage.

Death was good stuff. It would be interesting if they had been around longer, but I would've sacrificed Death to have Acid Bath back.

[RiceMonster]

Hey guys kurt cobain is dead im sad face :(

[Txus]

lol, dimebag died

[Eliminator]

in my state!

[guitrguy]

point blank to da face (back of the head)

[interviewer02]

:lol:

watch how much more varied and just powerful this guy's vocals are:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=H8i1QRRukwQ


his riffs are wanky and annoying

lol, you're joking right?

I didn't even have to do anything to win that argument, you did all the work.

[rasputin]

Hey guys kurt cobain is dead im sad face
Cobain died??

[Eliminator]

that's a no bainer

[Ghoul Hustler]

lol, you're joking right?

I didn't even have to do anything to win that argument, you did all the work.

not very smart, are you?

[pate]

Guys Terri Schiavo died

[guitrguy]

I liked her unplugged album.

[RiceMonster]

lol

[omgwtfboogie]

lol

[jebus FX]

Chuck was an amazing guitarist but man... his growls were really bad IMO especially on the last album, though I can actually dig the Human and ITP era


300 post lawlz

[interviewer02]

not very smart, are you?

Please Ghost Hustler, start an argument with about this, I dare you. You probably don't even know what me and douchy-mgee were talking about.

On the other hand, it seems like more people like the early 90's Shuldiner vocal approach compared to TSOP.

[masterchaos]

Don't worry. Ghoul is Brocore's life partner and the only prenup agreement was that they both post like idiots and agree with each other no matter what.

I for one think his vocal range is pretty similar in no matter what album and all of it I like. There are plenty of vocalists much worse than Chuck (Lord Worm) and they get praised constantly.

[Mother]

I thought the vocals on TSOP were ace. It was more screeching than growling tbh.


That version of Painkiller is madness imo.


BTW he died like 10 years ago.

[Ghoul Hustler]

Don't worry. Ghoul is Brocore's life partner and the only prenup agreement was that they both post like idiots and agree with each other no matter what.

hey look i got owned by a little namedropping faggot

Please Ghost Hustler, start an argument with about this, I dare you. You probably don't even know what me and douchy-mgee were talking about.



what are you blabbing about son

p.s. I DARE U

[Angmar]

Chuck's vocals are best on Leprosy, and then Human at 2nd best.

TSOP is great and all but honestly aside from probably Spiritual Healing it's his weakest performance as far as power goes.

[masterchaos]

hey look i got owned by a little namedropping large bundle of sticks

hahaha. the only name I dropped was yours kid.

[Det_Nosnip]

The best thing about Chuck was that he didn't know anything about music theory or composing. This ended up making Death a whole lot better.

Chuck's knowledge or ignorance of music theory had absolutely nothing to do with Death being a good band. That being said, Chuck along with everyone else in the band was fairly well versed in theory, making your entire post complete bullshit.

[Eliminator]

why do you care so much

[Ghoul Hustler]

hahaha. the only name I dropped was yours kid.
rofl did you really type this
Chuck's knowledge or ignorance of music theory had absolutely nothing to do with Death being a good band. That being said, Chuck along with everyone else in the band was fairly well versed in theory, making your entire post complete bullshit.

I vividly remember an interview with him saying he barely knew anything about playing guitar.

edit: from wiki:

Contrary to what many assumed, Schuldiner was in fact not well schooled in musical theory. He found "playing by ear" to be a more effective and advisable method. Schuldiner did "make up" his own scales and modes (many of which ended up being real scales, such as harmonic minor and melodic minor) which Schuldiner frequently utilized in his solos, a testament to his excellent ear. This also led him to create his odd fingering positions which very much defined his style.

[dinosaurxbrocore]

lol, you're joking right?

I didn't even have to do anything to win that argument, you did all the work.

false

[interviewer02]

I feel like sometimes its better to know a little bit about theory, but take what you want and try to develop as much of your own style as possible, breaking as many rules as you can along the way.

[Mr. Ron]

I loved him, but all of this wanking over him is making me giggle. ^_^

[dinosaurxbrocore]

yeah some death is good, but saying death is terrible is more fun

[rasputin]

Dimebag died? When?????!?!?!?!

[McP3000]

Death is excellent and TSOP and Human absolutely wreck everyone here.

Yall can blow me.

[Mr. Ron]

McP3000 knows whats ^

[McP3000]

McP3000 knows whats ^
you got that right

[Mr. Ron]

INSIDE CRYSTAL MOUNTAIN


EVIL TAKES ITS FORM


INSIDE CRYSTAL MOUNTAIN


COMMANDMENTS ARE REBORN

[McP3000]

\m/

[The Feeding]

death was overrated, there i said it!

[rasputin]

death was overrated, there i said it!
oh definitely, they were totally overrated, I don't know why people can't see that it was amazing and groundbreaking bands liek Behemoth that shaped death metal as we know it.

[Ghoul Hustler]

hahahahaha, go to sean2332's profile asap and check out that picture.

[Stevie IV]

RIP ChUCK

:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(

http://www.anus.com/metal/about/metal/images/chuck_schuldiner_christian.jpg

[interviewer02]

oh definitely, they were totally overrated, I don't know why people can't see that it was amazing and groundbreaking bands liek Behemoth that shaped death metal as we know it.

Oh definitely they weren't. Not only were they one of the first if not the first death metal band, but they were one of the first really heavy bands to incorporate progressive styles in their music.

[rasputin]

Oh definitely they weren't. Not only were they one of the first if not the first death metal band, but they were one of the first really heavy bands to incorporate progressive styles in their music.
You're an idiot.

[interviewer02]

You're an idiot.

please elaborate as to why I'm an idiot. If not, shut the **** up.

[rasputin]

My original comment was sarcastic, in an attempt to poke fun at sean2332.

[interviewer02]

My original comment was sarcastic, in an attempt to poke fun at sean2332.

oh, okay. Nevermind then. I was thinking when I read your post, "Hasn't Behemoth only been around for a few years?"

[rasputin]

yeah, sorry for coming off a bit harsh. I personally think Death are an amazing band.

EDIT: were an amazing band.

[Mr. Ron]

Oh definitely they weren't. Not only were they one of the first if not the first death metal band, but they were one of the first really heavy bands to incorporate progressive styles in their music.

what

[VomitStainedCretin]

Hail to the Chuck; 'twas one of death metal's finest ambassadors

[guitrguy]

I loved him, but all of this wanking over him is making me giggle. ^_^

It's making me vomit

[Det_Nosnip]

rofl did you really type this


I vividly remember an interview with him saying he barely knew anything about playing guitar.
He was a humble guy. :p

edit: from wiki:

Contrary to what many assumed, Schuldiner was in fact not well schooled in musical theory. He found "playing by ear" to be a more effective and advisable method. Schuldiner did "make up" his own scales and modes (many of which ended up being real scales, such as harmonic minor and melodic minor) which Schuldiner frequently utilized in his solos, a testament to his excellent ear. This also led him to create his odd fingering positions which very much defined his style.

*shrug* It depends upon your definition. Did he spend hours pouring over music theory books? Obviously not...but there are other ways of picking up the information. The fact that he knew what scales and modes were suggests that he must have learned at least something.

In answer to your question, Eliminator...it is because this type of mentality annoys the crap out of me. There is no way that *not* knowing something is going to make you a better musician. Being aware of the "rules" does not mean that you have to follow them.

[interviewer02]

what
There's really no argument that they were one of the first death metal bands, and many believe say death metal was named after the band Death.

As far as adding progressive styles to their music, mixing the bass higher on I believe it was "Human" and incorporating the drums more into the song and having them stand out by being different.

I'm sorry, not everyone in the early-mid 90's were approaching drums in death metal the same as Gene Hoglan. He really did a superb job in taking the genre to a new level. Personally I like Cristie more, but Hoglan was great in Death before Cristie.

[interviewer02]

He was a humble guy. :p


*shrug* It depends upon your definition. Did he spend hours pouring over music theory books? Obviously not...but there are other ways of picking up the information. The fact that he knew what scales and modes were suggests that he must have learned at least something.

In answer to your question, Eliminator...it is because this type of mentality annoys the crap out of me. There is no way that *not* knowing something is going to make you a better musician. Being aware of the "rules" does not mean that you have to follow them.

Actually, there are ways. I think if you know too much theory, you might end up following the rules too rigidly, although you are %100 right that just because you know something doesn't mean you have to use it, so saying that knowing more is better actually is a true statement, so you are right, and I guess i am too.

Personally, I want to learn scales myself. I probably know about 15 different scales, and I've learned probably 10 of those on my own, and I'm proud of that. I didn't invent them, I basically made them through trial and error.

[Det_Nosnip]

I'm sorry, not everyone in the early-mid 90's were approaching drums in death metal the same as Gene Hoglan. He really did a superb job in taking the genre to a new level. Personally I like Cristie more, but Hoglan was great in Death before Cristie.

Heh. Hoglan all the way for me.

IMO people who "know too much theory" and are boring because of it were boring to begin with. Just the same, people who have a gift for music will create something interesting regardless of whether they do so through theory knowledge or by ear.

[interviewer02]

Heh. Hoglan all the way for me.

IMO people who "know too much theory" and are boring because of it were boring to begin with. Just the same, people who have a gift for music will create something interesting regardless of whether they do so through theory knowledge or by ear.

yeah, you're pretty much right. I personally just like the art of learning music on your own, I think its a more satisfying labour than having someone show you a scale.

[CymrychHugh]

Possessed > Death, score 1 for the underdog. Death, was a huge inspiration for me a few years back, but they are a sort of "gateway band". Death just led me into Obituary and nocturnus, and other heavier acts, etc. Nonetheless id imagine Death had a large impact on the metal scene.

[Angmar]

Maybe a gateway act for you but Death are still my favorite death metal band, their discography is also much, much more consistent than Obituary's and the like.

[dinosaurxbrocore]

death is really hit and miss, tbh

[Pebster49]

Death was just killer, everything after HUman I loved...espically The Sound of Perserverance and Human.

[Obsequies]

Man, even within a genre that rejects christianity in favour of life affirming reality people become typical life hating christians when it comes to someone dying. He's dead. Death is a part of life. Deal with it.

Uh oh, someone's been visiting ANUS too much.

[rasputin]

I didn't know you were open for service tonight Obsequies.

[masscows]

*shrug* It depends upon your definition. Did he spend hours pouring over music theory books? Obviously not...but there are other ways of picking up the information. The fact that he knew what scales and modes were suggests that he must have learned at least something.

You don't have to know anything at all about music theory to know what scales and modes are.

[Riva]

Just like people who know how the periodic table works have no knowledge about Chemistry, right?

[masscows]

Not really

You could tell someone how to play a scale on a guitar and they could play it and play on it without really understanding how it works. Like, I don't really know how triads work but I can play them fine because someone showed me what frets to press.

[Det_Nosnip]

Do you know what the difference is between a major and minor chord? :p

[Stevie IV]

Uh oh, someone's been visiting ANUS too much.

wayyyyy too much

[masscows]

Do you know what the difference is between a major and minor chord? :p

Some gay **** with intervals between the root and one of the other notes

[masterchaos]

leading note is the sixth instead of the seventh...or maybe im thinkin of something else.

[pate]

It's all about the third.

[masterchaos]

Yep you're right. I don't know what I was thinking of.

[Stevie IV]

It's all about the third.

and sixth