Can Meshuggah be beat?

[Interviewer/surveyer]

I've been listening to these guys for about a year now, and I'm pretty sure now that they are the best at using polyrhythms and utilizing dual time signatures.

However, I do know that this music community as a whole knows pretty much every band that has existed, and I was wondering if there are any bands that use the same musical ideas Meshuggah does, and if so, are they anywhere near their talent level?

[DBlitz]

Textures I guess

I only have their latest though

[StreetlightRock]

The Dillinger Escape Plan probably. Maybe guys like Spiral Architect and Spastic Ink, though sound wise they aren't the same they got those crazy complicated things going on which you might be after.

[rid]

I'd say there are quite some bands better than them. Meshuggah are somewhat overrated, at least when it comes to musicianship / skill, though still an awesome band.

[lak89]

I'd say Spiral Architect is right up there with them

[StreetlightRock]

And if you like Spiral Architect, look out for Watchtower, if you don't mind ear bleeding vocals.

[pate]

I've been listening to these guys for about a year now,

Stand back, expert coming through.

[Eliminator]

they can be off-beat

man this 500 string guitar is so heavy oh **** i added an extra two beats now it sounds like the drummer is lost but really he'll be back in a little bit oh **** there it is now wait again **** my head just exploded

[masterchaos]

Tool! Im kidding.

I really liked ObZen a lot, Nothing was ok, and I haven't heard too much from Chaosphere or DEI so I guess Im only familiar with "newer" Meshuggah. I don't really know many bands that sound like Meshuggah so I'm not much help.

Behold the Arctopus is pretty random, but I don't think thats what you're looking for.

[naboo]

Honestly I thought they kind of sucked until this year. Obzen absolutely obliterates though. What an great, great, heavy-as-**** album. I think they just really hit the spot with it.

[dinosaurxbrocore]

veil of maya

[Skyler]

http://www.myspace.com/textures
http://www.myspace.com/cilicemusic
http://www.myspace.com/sikth

[static]

meshuggah ****ing blows, anything can beat them

[Hate Crew Deathroll]

Anything with Ron Jarzombek is a pain in the *** to trascribe so I'll agree with Spastic Ink, for sure.

Btw, Bleed r00lez.

[dinosaurxbrocore]

veil of maya doesnt remind me of meshuggah at all, but they really arent that bad. i kinda liked what i heard

their breakdowns are like, exactly like meshuggah, just they have actual songs to put those breakdowns into, rather than just being chugga chugga chugga constantly like meshuggah

[Dimmu Burger]

http://www.myspace.com/textures
http://www.myspace.com/cilicemusic
http://www.myspace.com/sikth

Dude Cilice is amazing! I can't find an album though, you got one?

[static]

cilice sounds like mushroomhead

[dinosaurxbrocore]

in the nervous light of sunday

[Dimmu Burger]

cilice sounds like mushroomhead

without all the nu metalness and with lots of bad@$$ery.

[static]

cilice is like chug chug in 15/16 and mushroomhead is like chug chug in 16/16


yeah

[EightMilesHigh]

I'm pretty sure now that they are the best at using polyrhythms and utilizing dual time signatures.


too bad it doesn't stop their music from being ****ing awful

[static]

liam


i love you

[static]

nevermind my rep message liam i broke my 24 hour limit by trying to spread my loving all over the place

[Det_Nosnip]

I haven't heard anything that even remotely compares to what Meshuggah does. There are plenty of rip-offs like Textures but none of 'em have interested me in the slightest. Spiral, etc always just sound like wankery and "omg let me see how technical I can be," whereas Meshuggah have always struck me as being much more musical.

[Ventriloquist]

Martyr I think, sounds a bit like Meshuggah but has a bit more technical-dm elements.

[static]

I haven't heard anything that even remotely compares to what Meshuggah does. There are plenty of rip-offs like Textures but none of 'em have interested me in the slightest. Spiral, etc always just sound like wankery and "omg let me see how technical I can be," whereas Meshuggah have always struck me as being much more musical.

textures destroys meshuggah, what pole are you smoking?

[Dimmu Burger]

I haven't heard anything that even remotely compares to what Meshuggah does. There are plenty of rip-offs like Textures but none of 'em have interested me in the slightest. Spiral, etc always just sound like wankery and "omg let me see how technical I can be," whereas Meshuggah have always struck me as being much more musical.

Lol @ musical. I haven't heard the rip off bands yet, but its still funny.

[Det_Nosnip]

textures destroys meshuggah, what pole are you smoking?

Textures is quite possibly one of the worst bands I've ever heard. I couldn't stop myself from laughing when I heard them...their singer is godawful and their music is directionless. The only thing that they do remotely well is rip off Meshuggah.

[Dimmu Burger]

Textures is quite possibly one of the worst bands I've ever heard. I couldn't stop myself from laughing when I heard them...their singer is godawful and their music is directionless. The only thing that they do remotely well is rip off Meshuggah.

I downloaded some Textures today and this makes me very eager to hear it, lol.

[Interviewer/surveyer]

I downloaded some Textures today and this makes me very eager to hear it, lol.

Dimmu, I have to get this off my back. Where the hell is the girl in your avatar from?

[Dimmu Burger]

Lol that is Starbuck from the new Battlestar Galactica series. The actress' name is Katee Sackhoff.

[Det_Nosnip]

She's a badass.

[Dimmu Burger]

Hellz yeah she is.

[Dark_Hero]

Blood Has Been Shed use a lot of polyrythms.

[Txus]

Meshuggah are like one of the worst pieces of crap with talent I've ever heard. Their music is ****ing horrible, they have the talent because I've heard other projects they are involved with, but Meshuggah sucks.

[Dimmu Burger]

Blood Has Been Shed use a lot of polyrythms.

It's funny how bad Howard's vocals are in that band and how much better they are in KsE.

[Ventriloquist]

Meshuggah are like one of the worst pieces of crap with talent I've ever heard. Their music is ****ing horrible, they have the talent because I've heard other projects they are involved with, but Meshuggah sucks.

Any clue what those projects are?

[Interviewer/surveyer]

Any clue what those projects are?

probably Sol Niger Within/Thordenal.

Hey, I'm not gonna knock him for his opinion. But you should be able to tell by listening to Meshuggah that all four guys, Thomas, Fredrick, Jens and Marten, are all really talented. Meshuggah have created a unique product, not to mention it takes a ton of discipline to play the songs they play. I understand if you hate the band, most people probably do, but you should be able to tell by listening to them that they're quite talented.

[pate]

Special Defects

[Dimmu Burger]

Yeah Special Defects is a fun listen.

[bringonthebreakdown]

I've been listening to these guys for about a year now, and I'm pretty sure now that they are the best at using polyrhythms and utilizing dual time signatures.

However, I do know that this music community as a whole knows pretty much every band that has existed, and I was wondering if there are any bands that use the same musical ideas Meshuggah does, and if so, are they anywhere near their talent level?

Porcupine Tree is amazing at polyrhythms as well because of Gavin Harrison.

[Txus]

probably Sol Niger Within/Thordenal.

Hey, I'm not gonna knock him for his opinion. But you should be able to tell by listening to Meshuggah that all four guys, Thomas, Fredrick, Jens and Marten, are all really talented. Meshuggah have created a unique product, not to mention it takes a ton of discipline to play the songs they play. I understand if you hate the band, most people probably do, but you should be able to tell by listening to them that they're quite talented.
If that's to me, read my post again, I said they have the talent, i simply hate the band's sound.

[Ventriloquist]

probably Sol Niger Within/Thordenal.

Hey, I'm not gonna knock him for his opinion. But you should be able to tell by listening to Meshuggah that all four guys, Thomas, Fredrick, Jens and Marten, are all really talented. Meshuggah have created a unique product, not to mention it takes a ton of discipline to play the songs they play. I understand if you hate the band, most people probably do, but you should be able to tell by listening to them that they're quite talented.

Yea I think it is. Only Thordendal tho. There's a video on youtube where they play a medley from an album. It's quite cool.

[Moon Flavor]

Venetian Snares
Cephalic Carnage
Boredoms
37500 Yens
Don Cab


Meshuggah riffs sound like retards ****ing: duh duhDUH duhduhduh DUH DUh duhduhduhduhduh

[RetiredAt21]

Cephalic Carnage is good. Meshuggah sucks balls.

[interviewer02]

If that's to me, read my post again, I said they have the talent, i simply hate the band's sound.
Exactly. You said you know they have talent because you've heard other projects they've done, which would imply that you couldn't tell they had talent by just listening to Meshuggah.

So yeah, I read your post.

[interviewer02]

Porcupine Tree is amazing at polyrhythms as well because of Gavin Harrison.

porcupine tree? Really? I have two of their albums, and I didn't hear any polyrhythms...hmmm.

[Det_Nosnip]

Listen to "Halo" off of Deadwing. There's one section where the band is playing in 17/16 (5/5/7) and Gavin lays down a solid 4/4 backbeat (sorta what Haake does). Not a strict polyrhythm per se, but the same sort of thing that Meshuggah does.

[niobium]

no one can convince me that new millennium cyanide christ isn't great

[LostChild]

I listened to Destroy. Erase. Improve. once, a long time ago. I was fully repulsed. Then I listened to "I" just to see if I could handle it and I recall feeling very wretched afterward.

Every once in a long while I consider giving them another shot. But then there's the risk that I'd end up enjoying it and therefore have to give up my title as the only person in the world that doesn't listen to metal. And I take lots of foolish pride in that title.

[Ventriloquist]

no one can convince me that new millennium cyanide christ isn't great

Love that song. My fav. meshuggah track.

[Dimmu Burger]

no one can convince me that new millennium cyanide christ isn't great

Hellz yeah!

[Rounder]

Meshuggah doesn't do it for me. When I saw them live I was bored when the 5th song sounded like the 3rd song which pretty much sounded like the 1st song, etc. There were a few interesting things going on, but I felt like an entire set of music was one long boring song or broken record. The singer just screamed the entire ****ing set. Which is boring.

I mean sure, rough sex poonagrahy is fun, but you gotta balance it out with the showtime stuff too. It's called dynamics. Meshuggah has none of that. I mean Opeth gets that heavy, but they know how to balance it out. It makes the heavier parts stand out even more.

[Dimmu Burger]

Meshuggah doesn't do it for me. When I saw them live I was bored when the 5th song sounded like the 3rd song which pretty much sounded like the 1st song, etc. There were a few interesting things going on, but I felt like an entire set of music was one long boring song or broken record. The singer just screamed the entire ****ing set. Which is boring.

I mean sure, rough sex poonagrahy is fun, but you gotta balance it out with the showtime stuff too. It's called dynamics. Meshuggah has none of that. I mean Opeth gets that heavy, but they know how to balance it out. It makes the heavier parts stand out even more.

Maybe they were playing Catch 33? Lol or maybe not.

If you listen to a Meshuggah album it has a bit more dynamics, they just don't play any slower quieter stuff live.

[McP3000]

I've only heard Catch 33, and it was pretty nice. I need to listen to Obzen and Chaosphere

[Phalanx]

Meshuggah are my favourite metal band most likely but even I'll admit that Ion Dissonance have crazier time signature **** going on.

Mesh probably use them more effectively though.

Oh, and Spastic Ink are awesome, Spiral Architect are a mess, Textures are a nice tidy band, iwrestledabearonce do some cool things, Unexpect kinda suck, Sikth are amazing, as are Tesseract and Fell Silent, Protest the Hero are insane, Pain of Salvation do some neat things, Psyopus are almost as messy as Spiral Architect, DEP are great, Misery Signals are kinda neato, Horse the Band have some rad ****, Sol Niger Within is also awesome and that's all the math metal bands i usually listen to who aren't Ion Dissonance or Meshuggah but are somewhat related.

[Dimmu Burger]

Meshuggah are my favourite metal band most likely but even I'll admit that Ion Dissonance have crazier time signature **** going on.

Mesh probably use them more effectively though.

Oh, and Spastic Ink are awesome, Spiral Architect are a mess, Textures are a nice tidy band, iwrestledabearonce do some cool things, Unexpect kinda suck, Sikth are amazing, as are Tesseract and Fell Silent, Protest the Hero are insane, Pain of Salvation do some neat things, Psyopus are almost as messy as Spiral Architect, DEP are great, Misery Signals are kinda neato, Horse the Band have some rad ****, Sol Niger Within is also awesome and that's all the math metal bands i usually listen to who aren't Ion Dissonance or Meshuggah but are somewhat related.

Ion Dissonance, iwrestledabearonce, Protest The Hero, Psyopus, DEP, Misery Signals, and Sol Niger Within are awesome.

I've only heard Catch 33, and it was pretty nice. I need to listen to Obzen and Chaosphere

I enjoy Nothing a good bit too, I recommend it.

[The Feeding]

not a fan...might i even say overrated?

[Dimmu Burger]

Maybe overhyped, but I certainly enjoy them.

[interviewer02]

Ion Dissonance, iwrestledabearonce, Protest The Hero, Psyopus, DEP, Misery Signals, and Sol Niger Within are awesome.



I enjoy Nothing a good bit too, I recommend it.

Protest the Hero, while a great band, isn't in the same arena as Meshuggah as far as time signatures go. (Or Sol Niger, but that is Thordenal too)

Never heard of the other bands you mentioned though. Which one should I try first?

[beans]

i really like meshuggah
but i thought catch 33 was a bit off the mark and very boring to listen to
thier new album is better but by the end of it im sick of them

[Eliminator]

absolutely gay

[interviewer02]

yeah and just to clarify on the psyopus comment, absolutely insane doesnt mean good haha. i like a couple of songs but usually like to put them on when someone i dont like is in the room and i want them to leave

true. Everytime I listen to Meshuggah I'm in awe of how tight they are, but a lot of their material is just boring. It's really tiresome to listen to a song, and if you get lost in it, you're pretty much lost for good.

I listen to bands like Meshuggah differently, and I think most people do. I try to follow the rhythm of the guitar and/or drums, and I really don't listen for much else. Thats what Meshuggah does, and they do it really well. I just grow tired of it after about 25 minutes. Probably why they'll never be my favorite band.

[Det_Nosnip]

Well, it gets easier to listen to when you understand what is going on. *shrug* They're one of the only really aggressive bands that I enjoy all that much and they're great to listen to when I'm working out. :p

[beans]

i've seen ion dissonance live twice and both times i wasnt very impressed. protest the hero is great and psyopus is just absolutely insane

the one time i saw them live thier **** was ****ing up on stage and thier bassist shoved his foot through the stage while playing he was going insane that thier **** wasnt working.

altogether i thought they did an ok job when i saw them.

[RunAmokRampant]

www.myspace.com/fivestarprisoncell

They supported DEP a few weeks back.

[Mekkalayakay]

Textures is super boring =/

[interviewer02]

Well, it gets easier to listen to when you understand what is going on. *shrug* They're one of the only really aggressive bands that I enjoy all that much and they're great to listen to when I'm working out. :p

Oh, I understand whats going on alright, and for me, they're definitely not one of those bands I put on in the background while I'm doing something else to create an atmosphere.

I'd much rather be listening to Ozzy-Bark at the Moon than Meshuggah while weightlifting. But hey, thats just me.

[Det_Nosnip]

Heh.

[masterchaos]

I listen to bands like Meshuggah differently, and I think most people do. I try to follow the rhythm of the guitar and/or drums, and I really don't listen for much else. Thats what Meshuggah does, and they do it really well. I just grow tired of it after about 25 minutes. Probably why they'll never be my favorite band.

Thats how I was with Nothing. It was mostly a "skip-every-other-song" album for me. The guitar riffs just seemed to blend together into the same sticcato thump and I think that's what they improved on ObZen...not to mention the extra solos provide a good break.

[Det_Nosnip]

I thought Nothing was one of their best.

[Luc214]

I've been listening to these guys for about a year now, and I'm pretty sure now that they are the best at using polyrhythms and utilizing dual time signatures.

However, I do know that this music community as a whole knows pretty much every band that has existed, and I was wondering if there are any bands that use the same musical ideas Meshuggah does, and if so, are they anywhere near their talent level?

I think Coprofago, who pretty much Meshuggah clones, are better.

[Correction]

lol at thread

[Dimmu Burger]

I listened to Textures over the weekend and I like them. Kinda Meshuggahesque but a lot more melodic and their guitars aren't downtuned or more than 6 strings so it sounds different.

Never heard of the other bands you mentioned though. Which one should I try first?

Ion Dissonance, iwrestledabearonce, Psyopus, and DEP all do some interesting things, so it's hard to say which one to listen to first. They are all very different. Ion Dissonance is like oddly timed juns for like 45 minutes on their new album. iwrestledabearonce is really good scenster grind with jazzy interludes. Psyopus and old DEP are just chaos. Check em all out.

[Det_Nosnip]

scenster grind? :confused:

[Dimmu Burger]

Like See You Next Tuesday is grind, but not like credible grind, it's Scenester Grind played by scenesters in a scenester way, lol. I know it's hard to explain.

[Ventriloquist]

Got some Ion Dissonance. After listening to both of their albums well I didn't like them very much to be honest. They are a lot more melodic than Meshuggah but sometimes it kinda gets too noisy. I still prefer Meshuggahs duh duh chug chugs.

[interviewer02]

Like See You Next Tuesday is grind, but not like credible grind, it's Scenester Grind played by scenesters in a scenester way, lol. I know it's hard to explain.

kind of like Atreyu is a metal band, but not a credible one?

Ill try Ion dissonance, going to Pandora right now.

[Dimmu Burger]

kind of like Atreyu is a metal band, but not a credible one?

Exactly.

[interviewer02]

Exactly.

or like Meijer brand orange juice isn't real fresh-squeezed orange juice, but it tastes similar.

Okay, I'll shut up now.

[British Beef]

Gojira, Mnemic, Textures, Threat Signal, Tesseract, Fell Silent, Envision, DEP, Figure ground, Sleepytime Gorilla museum.

[masterchaos]

God I can't wait for a new Gojira album.

[Shattered_Future]

I can. They're totally a poor man's Meshuggah.

[Eliminator]

lol

[masterchaos]

I can. They're totally a poor man's Meshuggah.

They aren't even close to one another...two different worlds of metal. Can you give me an example of what Gojira does that is similar to Meshuggah?

[pate]

Chug chug chug

[interviewer02]

Chug chug chug

Once again, Pate fails to contribute to a thread.

Gohira is somewhat similar to Meshuggah, but they each have their own unique sound and approach, and that alone is probably their biggest similarity.

[Mr. Ron]

I've been listening to these guys for about a year now, and I'm pretty sure now that they are the best at using polyrhythms and utilizing dual time signatures.

However, I do know that this music community as a whole knows pretty much every band that has existed, and I was wondering if there are any bands that use the same musical ideas Meshuggah does, and if so, are they anywhere near their talent level?

Does not compute.

[masterchaos]

So far my fav track off ObZen is Lethargic.

[interviewer02]

So far my fav track off ObZen is Lethargic.

thats probably mine too, the intro is so badass, and the verse is pretty epic. Although the second half of Bleed is very tight.

[Dimmu Burger]

I can. They're totally a poor man's Meshuggah.

I thought they were similar when I first heard them, but once I listened more I realized I was a complete retard, like you are being right now.


j/k you're not a retard.

[pate]

Once again, Pate fails to contribute to a thread.



I was answering his question you ****ing dolt.

[interviewer02]

I was answering his question you ****ing dolt.

exactly, you were answering his question, therefore once again you failed to contribute to a thread, because you're a dipshiit.

[pate]

Epic fail.

[interviewer02]

Epic fail.

Pate, you can't have two word comebacks and expect to win an argument and/or look cool. You have to try harder than that.

[pate]

Where's the argument?

[Dimmu Burger]

Lol oh you two!

Anyways I just heard A Life Once Lost's A Great Artist the other day and holy crap. They bring the Meshuggah Juns!

[interviewer02]

Lol oh you two!

Anyways I just heard A Life Once Lost's A Great Artist the other day and holy crap. They bring the Meshuggah Juns!

what is this "Juns" you speak of.

[Dimmu Burger]

like guitar riffs. Jun Jun! Jun jun jun jun jun! jun jun jun!

[interviewer02]

like guitar riffs. Jun Jun! Jun jun jun jun jun! jun jun jun!

oh......Ohhhh. Okay.

Do you like Unearth at all?

[Dimmu Burger]

Yeah I like their two newest albums a good bit.

[interviewer02]

Yeah I like their two newest albums a good bit.

Yeah, in the eyes of Fire is their best, and yes, they serve up the juns. Not quite my favorite band, but great metalcore anyways.

[Dimmu Burger]

Yeah it's good juncore.

[Det_Nosnip]

They were pretty good live but I can't stand that kind of music TBH. :(

[Dimmu Burger]

Lol I listened to A Life Once Lost's A Great Artist again last night and forgot that I wasn't listening to Meshuggah, it is that similar. The solos and the one eerie slow song too!

[Shattered_Future]

They aren't even close to one another...two different worlds of metal. Can you give me an example of what Gojira does that is similar to Meshuggah?

Mad chugs and hardcore vocals.

Maybe they're a bit different, but I can't tell because I turn their music off whenever I hear it.

[interviewer02]

Mad chugs and hardcore vocals.

Maybe they're a bit different, but I can't tell because I turn their music off whenever I hear it.

yeah, they have distinct differences, but you have to listen to them for more than two seconds. Usually when someone says two bands sound alike that really don't, it means they don't really like that kind of music too much.

[pate]

A Life Once Lost is the worst band I've ever heard or seen live.

[dinosaurxbrocore]

they used to be so ****ing good when they played deathcore (before it was trendy too!), then they went all norma jean style, sell-outs, etc.

[McP3000]

they used to be so ****ing good when they played deathcore (before it was trendy too!), then they went all norma jean style, sell-outs, etc.
wait, i thought you liked norma jean

[interviewer02]

A Life Once Lost is the worst band I've ever heard or seen live.

You obviously haven't seen Lordi or Avenged Sevenfold, have you Pate?

[pate]

No, ALOL is worse.

[interviewer02]

No, ALOL is worse.

actually, my math wizard friend Dan computed it out, and it is actually mathematically impossible to be worse than Lordi live. So at best, its a tie.

[pate]

Fair enough.

[Dimmu Burger]

A Life Once Lost is the worst band I've ever heard or seen live.

They were good at the first Sounds Of The Underground a few years ago.