Re: To the gay marriage thread, A Letter to the People of these Great United States

[Volumnius Flush]

"In a monumental victory for the gay rights movement, the California Supreme Court overturned a voter-approved ban on gay marriage Thursday in a ruling that would allow same-sex couples in the nation's biggest state to tie the knot."

This is big government run amok! This is outrageous! This is preposterous! This is disgusting! This is indecent, inappropriate, vile, and it completely undermines the sanctity of holy matrimony, but will also destroy this country and family life as we know it!

The voters have spoken! We don't want gay marriage in our state! We don't want it around our kids and we don't want it jet-propelled into our living rooms on the tv screen. We want to be free and rid of this abomination against humanity.

When the electorate speaks, who listens? Nobody, because they don't care what the people have to say. Of the people, by the people, and for the people, in the infamous words of Abraham Lincoln, this government SHALL NOT perish.

The state Supreme Court of California has completely bypassed the people and made room for what can only be described as an overriding, undermining, and deteriorating of the democratic process, where individual citizens have the right to some direct voice in the legislative process, and in one of the few instances where we exercised that right, granted us in democracy, the government thought they knew better.

Well they don't know better, that big momma government that wants to nurture us and take care of us, Big Momma has slipped something in our milk, Big Brother saw, and now will not even come to our defense.

The voters have spoken, k, amirite? They have spoken yet on the other end of the line, no one was there to listen. It was all static... "Did you say what I think you said? Oh, you do want gay marriage? Oh, okay, well let's just reverse this little proposition and everything will be okay..."

But no! It's not okay. The people don't even have a voice anymore. The government has their processes and directives they have to follow, but little Joe Blow just gets to say who is elected and who isn't. Well it's wrong! It's injustice, high crimes, treachery in the highest level of government.

It is ludicrous and it has to stop. We as a people must ban together and let our voice be HEARD! We will go to the city, we will go to the state! We will go to the High Court and Capitol Hill and voice our dissent on the highest mountain, in the lowest valleys, on the biggest rooftop, from California to the New York Island, from the Redwood Forest to the Gulf Stream waters, and our voices will be HEARD!

No more will big government take the people, WE THE PEOPLE, so lightly, no more anymore! We will be heard, and they will walk on eggshells and think twice before deceiving the American electorate again!

Thank you.

[Moon Flavor]

lol

[dei]

No.

[Iscariot]

who cares

it's not like two men getting married is going to turn your children gay it's basically been proven to be a genetic disposition

i'm starting to wonder if volumnius flush is a steve gimmick

[The Stig]

Actually, it's the government for once doing something within its bounds -- marking a wrong law as unconstitutional. Unless they overturned an amendment to their state constitution that was voted on in the proper way, they did the proper thing.

[guitrguy]

I like how he rails against big government, then acts like overturning a law violating a person's right is big gov't stepping on the people.

[The Stig]

Yeah...The original law was more of big government in personal life than anything else.

[Volumnius Flush]

i'm starting to wonder if volumnius flush is a steve gimmick

I love Steve and would never harm him in any way.

I like how he rails against big government, then acts like overturning a law violating a person's right is big gov't stepping on the people.

Yes it is so precious isn't it...:rolleyes:

Yeah...The original law was more of big government in personal life than anything else.

Thanks for the 7k Sideshow Bob!

[guitrguy]

Why do you even care? It doesn't affect you.

[Iscariot]

I love Steve and would never harm him in any way.

just saying if steve were to have a gimmick you would be it you are the embodiment of extreme conservative values

[The Stig]

I like how technically I'm more extremely right-wing than anyone else here and still think he's dead wrong.

[BridgeToSolace]

It is not the people's place to decide who does and does not get rights.

It is, however, the people's place to decide what rights everyone receives.

[Volumnius Flush]

just saying if steve were to have a gimmick you would be it you are the embodiment of extreme conservative values

Well I would never do that to Steve. And I'll leave it at that.

Why do you even care? It doesn't affect you.

It affects my country. It is hurting our good name and the good people of this land. It is contributing to the moral decline of this nation and soon we will be so far in the gutter there will be no coming back out. A country addicted to heresy there is no rehabilitation for. God will destroy us!

It is not the people's place to decide who does and does not get rights.

It is, however, the people's place to decide what rights everyone receives.

Well if you knew what was happening in my town right now you would know why I'm so upset. But you will find out soon enough.

[Iscariot]

It affects my country. It is hurting our good name and the good people of this land. It is contributing to the moral decline of this nation and soon we will be so far in the gutter there will be no coming back out. A country addicted to heresy there is no rehabilitation for. God will destroy us!

this is hilarious

[Dave de Sylvia]

It is not the people's place to decide who does and does not get rights.
True enough. It's Steve's place.

[The Stig]

Wait is he serious or does he just have a dry sense of humor?

EDIT: The Flush post Jared quoted not Plath.

[Volumnius Flush]

Wait is he serious or does he just have a dry sense of humor?

EDIT: The Flush post Jared quoted not Plath.

Straight from the horse's mouth: EEEEhahhhhh!!!!

No really though, I'm dead serious. The internet is for serious business. Not a place to crack jokes.

this is hilarious

I'm glad you liked it but I meant it to be serious...:rolleyes:

[guitrguy]

Well I would never do that to Steve. And I'll leave it at that.



It affects my country. It is hurting our good name and the good people of this land. It is contributing to the moral decline of this nation and soon we will be so far in the gutter there will be no coming back out. A country addicted to heresy there is no rehabilitation for. God will destroy us!



Well if you knew what was happening in my town right now you would know why I'm so upset. But you will find out soon enough.

god you are funny

[Volumnius Flush]

god you are funny

You know I hate condescension.

[dei]

God you're stupid.

[guitrguy]

You know I hate condescension.

well you're not making an argument, how do expect us to take you seriously.

[Volumnius Flush]

God you're stupid.

Dank you kum again

/Pakistani accent/

well you're not making an argument, how do expect us to take you seriously.

Oh you missed my argument? Well here let me lay it out for you and hold your hand too...

The American electorate has spoken and the government doesn't care!!!!

[guitrguy]

I think you missed the part about the law being unconstitutional. You know the electorate is one facet to multi faceted government. Checks and balances maybe? Where you asleep in government class?

[Iscariot]

what you're missing is that democratically we are choosing to let gays get married

majority rules ever heard that one

[The Stig]

Well it's a good thing we aren't called a democracy, then!

[Volumnius Flush]

what you're missing is that democratically we are choosing to let gays get married

majority rules ever heard that one

A majority rule is not constituted by the vote of 7 people!

[Iscariot]

yeah except these decisions aren't made by 7 people they're made by several million

i grow tired of this gimmick i'm going to cook dinner

[Volumnius Flush]

yeah except these decisions aren't made by 7 people they're made by several million

i grow tired of this gimmick i'm going to cook dinner

I'm not a gimmick. And the fact is the decision was given to all of 7 people to decide. It is not custom in a democratic government such as ours to allow 7 people to decide on behalf of 30 some-odd million.

[The Stig]

You do realize that the Supreme Court at the state and federal level overturns laws all the time on the basis of constitutionality, right? Regardless of whether or not the law was passed with a majority, if it was deemed unconstitutional, that is the court doing the job they were originally intended to do.

[Volumnius Flush]

You do realize that the Supreme Court at the state and federal level overturns laws all the time on the basis of constitutionality, right? Regardless of whether or not the law was passed with a majority, if it was deemed unconstitutional, that is the court doing the job they were originally intended to do.

But the majority ruled... and it was overturned...:(

[peeted]

Im starting to wonder if volumnius flush's account is actuay a joke account. This is stupid, they were just sticking to the consititution.

[Iscariot]

no the majority didn't rule

[Volumnius Flush]

Im starting to wonder if volumnius flush's account is actuay a joke account. This it stupid, they were just sticking to the consititution.

Oh yes, this IT stupid.

no the majority didn't rule

That's what they voted on!

[guitrguy]

Democracy is a system where the power rests in the hands of the people and obviously some tasks are far too drawn out processes (legislation, the courts) for the people to have a say-so in the matter but where the people can make a difference I believe we should have that right or we have no right to call ourselves a democracy.

Well those people are idiots. We are a Republic.

[Volumnius Flush]

We'll those people are idiots. We are a Republic.

Your post reads:

We will those people are idiots.

Take a look in the mirror, buddy!

[peeted]

Oh yes, this IT stupid.


You spoted a typo... Thumbs up! :thumb:

[guitrguy]

How about you address the point.

[Reaganista]

I'm not a gimmick. And the fact is the decision was given to all of 7 people to decide. It is not custom in a democratic government such as ours to allow 7 people to decide on behalf of 30 some-odd million.
yes it is

[Volumnius Flush]

How about you address the point.

Tell that to the presidential candidates from the current and last two races... They don't even know what you and I both know but if you ask most elected representatives, they will say we are a democracy.

[dei]

But the majority ruled... and it was overturned...:(

Quit being a dumb mother****er.

[guitrguy]

Tell that to the presidential candidates from the current and last two races... They don't even know what you and I both know but if you ask most elected representatives, they will say we are a democracy.

They can call us pink unicorns, but that doesn't change what type of government we have had since 1788.

[Reaganista]

in a liberal democracy you have first what the electorate wants but you also have some people who arent elected who can correct the electorate when they do something retarded that's wat happened here
They can see we are pink unicorns. That doesn't change what type of government we have had since 1788.
the republic vs democracy thing is a retarded distinction to try to draw there's been tons of republics throughout history our was unique because it was a democratic one

[BassRevelation1029]

This is big government run amok! This is outrageous! This is preposterous! This is disgusting! This is indecent, inappropriate, vile,
these are all personal issues

and it completely undermines the sanctity of holy matrimony, but will also destroy this country and family life as we know it!
.
and marriage to cover a pregnancy, to secure citizenship for one spouse, and divorce won't?

I understand your claim but its rather short-sighted. Social conservatives as yourself need to stop trying to shift the entire blame on one issue.



i'm starting to wonder if volumnius flush is a steve gimmick

wouldn't that make it a gimmick of a gimmick, or a gimmick within a gimmick?

I dunno.

[guitrguy]

the republic vs democracy thing is a retarded distinction to try to draw there's been tons of republics throughout history our was unique because it was a democratic one

There are democratic means within the republic, there was democracy to some extent in ancient Rome. Ultimately the gov't is run by representatives.

[Reaganista]

zerokewl has been 100% gimmick ever since that thread about getting AIDS from food workers before that i think he was partially legit

There are democratic means within the republic, there was democracy to some extent in ancient Rome. Ultimately the gov't is run by representatives.
except in rome power derived from title and in america it derives from the people

[Volumnius Flush]

in a liberal democracy you have first what the electorate wants but you also have some people who arent elected who can correct the electorate when they do something retarded that's wat happened here

the republic vs democracy thing is a retarded distinction to try to draw there's been tons of republics throughout history our was unique because it was a democratic one

Yes, we are democratic as Tway says.

But how democratic are we? Are we going to allow the government to make our decisions for us, ultimately spoon-feeding us?

[The Stig]

You really need to pay attention in civics class.

[BridgeToSolace]

Well if you knew what was happening in my town right now you would know why I'm so upset. But you will find out soon enough.

I live in Massachusetts, the first state to make gay marriage legal.

And really, there's no difference :)

[The Stig]

No BtS...If gays marry next I'll be able to marry vegetables.

But god forbid we let people start marrying minerals THATS JUST TOO GODDAMN FAR

[Volumnius Flush]

I live in Massachusetts, the first state to make gay marriage legal.

And really, there's no difference :)

I'm talking about smoking. The smoking ban is coming into effect June 1.

[BridgeToSolace]

I'm talking about smoking. The smoking ban is coming into effect June 1.

I think we already banned that, too.

Too bad we didn't do it before my dad got lung cancer >_>

[Volumnius Flush]

I think we already banned that, too.

Too bad we didn't do it before my dad got lung cancer >_>

I'm sorry to hear that, but violating my rights doesn't make anyone else any safer...

[BridgeToSolace]

I'm sorry to hear that, but violating my rights doesn't make anyone else any safer...

Nor does violating the gay right to marriage make you any safer.

:thumb:

[Volumnius Flush]

Nor does violating the gay right to marriage make you any safer.

:thumb:

But it's what the people want. The people did not want this smoking ban to my knowledge. What it came down to was in the public hearings, those against the ban were considered poor, insignificant, while those in favor were doctors with adequate research and the equivalent of local dignitaries.

[The Stig]

I think that businesses should be allowed to make their own smoking policies themselves. But that isn't this thread.

[Volumnius Flush]

I think that businesses should be allowed to make their own smoking policies themselves. But that isn't this thread.

I'll just make a thread about it later.

[BridgeToSolace]

But it's what the people want. The people did not want this smoking ban to my knowledge. What it came down to was in the public hearings, those against the ban were considered poor, insignificant, while those in favor were doctors with adequate research and the equivalent of local dignitaries.

Doctors with adequate research? wtf do they know!?!?!?

Do you support the continuation of Jim Crow laws in the south? You insulted Jude for being a racist in the other thread, and now you seem to be saying that de jure segregation was justified due to majority support.

Seriously, do you just hate the supreme court?

[The Stig]

No BtS the courts are not allowed to strike down bad laws don't you gwt it yet?

[guitrguy]

No BtS...If gays marry next I'll be able to marry vegetables.

But god forbid we let people start marrying minerals THATS JUST TOO GODDAMN FAR

Idk how I will deal with my son with he tries to sex up water.

[The Stig]

Hmmm...We'll need to courts to interpret that one because water is definitely not a vegetable but it's not a mineral either except maybe for Ice but that would be overstepping their bounds oh crap what do we do

[Volumnius Flush]

Noobs, we only need gay marriage legalized in one state. We can ban it, ignore it whatever in the rest. The full faith and credit clause of the Constitution basically provides for a gay couple married in one state, for their marriage to be valid in all 50 states.

So just leave it at Massachusetts. If they want to get married, go to Gay Haven and get married, your marriage will still be valid in Texas even though we don't allow it here.

Very simple. It isn't that hard.

Seriously, do you just hate the supreme court?

If you really want to know what I think about the Supreme Court I'll make a thread about it later.

[dei]

Why should people have to travel to another state to be married?

[The Stig]

If it gets legal in Texas due to that clause then why are you so bothered by it being legalized elsewhere?

[guitrguy]

Noobs, we only need gay marriage legalized in one state. We can ban it, ignore it whatever in the rest. The full faith and credit clause of the Constitution basically provides for a gay couple married in one state, for their marriage to be valid in all 50 states.

So just leave it at Massachusetts. If they want to get married, go to Gay Haven and get married, your marriage will still be valid in Texas even though we don't allow it here.

Very simple. It isn't that hard.

That also means the gov't takes special interest, which is also unconstitutional.

[The Stig]

Oh, snapkins!

[Dave de Sylvia]

Why should people have to travel to another state to be married?
To give them time to think about how evil they're being.

[Volumnius Flush]

If it gets legal in Texas due to that clause then why are you so bothered by it being legalized elsewhere?

The point is from a social conservative perspective, it is best for only one state to allow gay marriage. Constitutionally, it's all that is needed though morally, it shouldn't be allowed at all. But it is.

If it is legal in one state, all gays can marry IN that state. There will inevitably be those who can't make it to Massachusetts and thus won't get married. Pure politics is all :wave:

Why should people have to travel to another state to be married?

If they want to bad enough, they should prove their love and go across the nation to make their vows.

[The Stig]

To give them time to think about how evil they're being.

Isn't that what eternal hellfire is for?

[dei]

The point is from a social conservative perspective, it is best for only one state to allow gay marriage. Constitutionally, it's all that is needed though morally, it shouldn't be allowed at all. But it is.

If they want to bad enough, they should prove their love and go across the nation to make their vows.

:lol:

Ignored.

[Volumnius Flush]

Why do we have to turn this into a discussion on religion?

I was just simply saying from an evolutionary standpoint, it is remarkably inappropriate.

[guitrguy]

The point is from a social conservative perspective, it is best for only one state to allow gay marriage. Constitutionally, it's all that is needed though morally, it shouldn't be allowed at all. But it is.
Then don't marry a man.
If it is legal in one state, all gays can marry IN that state. There will inevitably be those who can't make it to Massachusetts and thus won't get married. Pure politics is all :wave:
Then straights should only marry in one state.


If they want to bad enough, they should prove their love and go across the nation to make their vows.

special interest

Why do we have to turn this into a discussion on religion?

I was just simply saying from an evolutionary standpoint, it is remarkably inappropriate.
learn evolution please.

[BridgeToSolace]

So just leave it at Massachusetts. If they want to get married, go to Gay Haven and get married, your marriage will still be valid in Texas even though we don't allow it here.

Very simple. It isn't that hard.

Very simple. And very untrue.

The Defense of Marriage Act, or DOMA, is the commonly-used name of a federal law of the United States that is officially known as Pub. L. No. 104-199, 110 Stat. 2419 (Sept. 21, 1996) and codified at 1 U.S.C. § 7 and 28 U.S.C. § 1738C. The law has two effects.

1. No state (or other political subdivision within the United States) need treat a relationship between persons of the same sex as a marriage, even if the relationship is considered a marriage in another state.

Including the results of the 2006 midterm elections, two states (Massachusetts and California) allows same-sex marriage, five states recognize some alternative form of same-sex union, twelve states ban any recognition of any form of same-sex unions including civil union, twenty-five states have adopted amendments to their state constitution prohibiting same sex marriage, and another twenty states have enacted statutory DOMAs.

Really...there's a reason why people don't like you here.


If you really want to know what I think about the Supreme Court I'll make a thread about it later.

I don't, really.

[Dave de Sylvia]

If they want to bad enough, they should prove their love and go across the nation to make their vows.
Surely this would be a requirement for any marriage.

[Volumnius Flush]

Very simple. And very untrue.

The Defense of Marriage Act, or DOMA, is the commonly-used name of a federal law of the United States that is officially known as Pub. L. No. 104-199, 110 Stat. 2419 (Sept. 21, 1996) and codified at 1 U.S.C. § 7 and 28 U.S.C. § 1738C. The law has two effects.

1. No state (or other political subdivision within the United States) need treat a relationship between persons of the same sex as a marriage, even if the relationship is considered a marriage in another state.

Including the results of the 2006 midterm elections, two states (Massachusetts and California) allows same-sex marriage, five states recognize some alternative form of same-sex union, twelve states ban any recognition of any form of same-sex unions including civil union, twenty-five states have adopted amendments to their state constitution prohibiting same sex marriage, and another twenty states have enacted statutory DOMAs.

Really...there's a reason why people don't like you here.




I don't, really.

Wasn't aware of that law, but it seems your point is a moot one considering it's only in effect in 20 states?

And you asked me the question, so what do you expect me to do? Not answer a question you asked?

[BridgeToSolace]

Wasn't aware of that law, but it seems your point is a moot one considering it's only in effect in 20 states?

For one, I don't see how a bit less than half the states is "moot"

But you seemed to miss the rest of the article.

Including the results of the 2006 Midterm Elections, twenty-six states have enacted constitutional amendments have defined marriage as between a man and a woman, and another twenty states have enacted statutory DOMAs.

26 + 20 = 46.

So, MA is the only state that you get married in, and only 3 other states will recognize that marriage.

So you're full of ****, basically.

And you asked me the question, so what do you expect me to do? Not answer a question you asked?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical_question

Although the question really is at the crux of your argument.

[Volumnius Flush]

So basically you're telling me that I'm tripping over nothing and the sky isn't falling in? Oh great so things aren't as bad as I thought!

[RockStar]

Give them an inch, they take a mile...

[BridgeToSolace]

So basically you're telling me that I'm tripping over nothing and the sky isn't falling in? Oh great so things aren't as bad as I thought!

Again, you need a way to indicate that you're being facetious.

But it does mean that things are just as bad as you thought :)

[Volumnius Flush]

Again, you need a way to indicate that you're being facetious.

But it does mean that things are just as bad as you thought :)

I told you, the internet is for serious business. It isn't a place to crack jokes.

[BridgeToSolace]

I told you, the internet is for serious business. It isn't a place to crack jokes.

Again, I have no idea when you're joking or not.

[guitrguy]

Give them an inch, they take a mile...

slippery slope fallacy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope_fallacy

[Reaganista]

Give them an inch, they take a mile...

that's not a bad thing considering america needs to get about 5 miles of sexual uptightness out of its system

[Volumnius Flush]

Again, I have no idea when you're joking or not.

Or you could read my lips. I AM SERIOUS, I AM NOT A JOKER

[BridgeToSolace]

Or you could read my lips. I AM SERIOUS, I AM NOT A JOKER

I still can't tell :(

If I could read your lips, it would be a lot easier, though.

Maybe because when I want to express seriousness I show it rather than state it.

Anyone else get what I'm talking about?

[guitrguy]

I thinks he is bit off the deep end, so he could be serious.

[Volumnius Flush]

I still can't tell :(

If I could read your lips, it would be a lot easier, though.

Maybe because when I want to express seriousness I show it rather than state it.

Anyone else get what I'm talking about?

Why would I come here just to post nonsense? In my finite mind, I can not see for the life of me why someone would come to this place just to wreak havoc and start crap with people. That's not what I'm here for. I'm here to fit in, to have a sense of belonging, to feel wanted and accepted. That is the only reason I am here and I am just doing what I do best: Sharing my beliefs with other human beings.

How come when you or anyone else does it they're warmly received and their beliefs are welcomed but I am just persecuted and shunned?

How is what I'm doing any different from what anyone else is doing, whether it's Serenity or BassRevelation?

I thinks he is bit off the deep end, so he could be serious.

Oh, did I forget to mention I'm legally insane :wave::smoke:

Now that is facetious. I can crack a joke every now and then.

[BridgeToSolace]

How come when you or anyone else does it they're warmly received and their beliefs are welcomed but I am just persecuted and shunned?

I afraid if I take you seriously, you're gunna be like "Okay, that we clearly sarcastic"

You're shunned when you do maladaptive things like yell "This is an affront to god!" when you know clearly that it will not be well received by the users of this forum.

When you say things like "The internet is serious business" when, as everyone knows, the intranetz iz nut 4 seryus buznis.

When your basis for an argument is "they overturned a decision by the minority!" and we make clear that this is irrelevant and prudent, you continue to fallaciously make the same point without introducing anything new to back you up, we treat you poorly.

When you vehemently try to devalue someone's argument and character by baselessly calling them a racist, we question whether or not you are a genuine free-thinking human being or a caricature of everything that we hate about human beings.

If you're trying to fit in, you have a horrible way of doing it. Lurk, learn, climb the social ladder. That is how you fit in on the internet.

How is what I'm doing any different from what anyone else is doing, whether it's Serenity or BassRevelation?

We give Serenity a ton of ****. I don't remember BassRevelations saying anything egregiously offensive or odd, so we don't pounce on him.

I'm uncomfortable saying "we" here. I don't speak for this forum and I still consider myself a third wheel here, so keep that in mind.

[Volumnius Flush]

When you vehemently try to devalue someone's argument and character by baselessly calling them a racist, we question whether or not you are a genuine free-thinking human being or a caricature of everything that we hate about human beings.

We give Serenity a ton of ****. I don't remember BassRevelations saying anything egregiously offensive or odd, so we don't pounce on him.

I'm uncomfortable saying "we" here. I don't speak for this forum and I still consider myself a third wheel here, so keep that in mind.

Well Jude is a racist and he was banned for it.

And why do you give Non such a hard time? What has he done to you?

[guitrguy]

making a racial slur comment doesn't mean you are racist.

[BridgeToSolace]

Well Jude is a racist and he was banned for it.

I'd say that supporting the continuation of Jim Crow laws as you do is a far better basis for a claim of racism than using a racial slur.

Michael Richards, for example, is probably not racist. He just isn't funny either.

And why do you give Non such a hard time? What has he done to you?

He is either Steve or Serenity, or Sugar Daddy. Non is retarded.

But I have nothing against him. I like him and I think he adds something valuable and irreplaceable to this forum and it would be worse without him.

He says some craaaaazy **** sometimes, though. But he's still an accepted member of this forum.

[Volumnius Flush]

I'd say that supporting the continuation of Jim Crow laws as you do is a far better basis for a claim of racism than using a racial slur.

Michael Richards, for example, is probably not racist. He just isn't funny either.



He is either Steve or Serenity, or Sugar Daddy. Non is retarded.

But I have nothing against him. I like him and I think he adds something valuable and irreplaceable to this forum and it would be worse without him.

He says some craaaaazy **** sometimes, though. But he's still an accepted member of this forum.

I call him Non because his old name was Non Sequitur. So I call him Non. What's wrong with that? And who said I support the Jim Crow laws? I never said that. You are putting words in my mouth.

And I am an accepted forum member to. Some of the mods actually like me.

[BridgeToSolace]

I call him Non because his old name was Non Sequitur. So I call him Non. What's wrong with that?

He had several previous named. "Non" is the stupidest nickname you could call him, and there is no reason for it. Call him by the name he currently has or the name he is currently recognize him by.

Foolishly clinging to whatever constructed nostalgia you have of Steve and this forum =/= phail

And who said I support the Jim Crow laws? I never said that. You are putting words in my mouth.

You think that what the majority thinks should be law and should not be overturned by courts.

Jim Crow laws were supported by the majority in the south, but this was decided unconstitutional by the courts.

If the courts did not have the power to overturn majority decision, which you support, then Jim Crow laws would have continued for much longer.

Thus, you de facto support Jim Crow laws.

I'm kind of Strawmaning that a little, I know.

And I am an accepted forum member to. Some of the mods actually like me.

You clearly are not, since people are calling for you to be banned.

[Volumnius Flush]

He had several previous named. "Non" is the stupidest nickname you could call him, and there is no reason for it. Call him by the name he currently has or the name he is currently recognize him by.

Well when I came around to PNWI, he was going by Non, and I just caught the end of his stint as Zero. I just like calling him Non, it is the old Steve, the one I liked and wish I could go back and get to know more about.

You clearly are not, since people are calling for you to be banned.

Who? Dei? I already know that, but who else?

[dei]

Please respond to the bit about majorities and Jim Crow laws.

[Volumnius Flush]

Please respond to the bit about majorities and Jim Crow laws.

I agree in an instance where there are established rights such as citizenship, voting, or educational rights that are being infringed that is when the courts are needed to strike down those laws abridging that pre-granted right, but in an instance where it is not a clear distinction whether that right is granted, it should be left up to the American electorate to decide.

[Smokey D]

Marriage is an established right.

[Volumnius Flush]

Marriage is an established right.

Between a man and a woman, yes. That is why I said, "a clear distinction".

[Smokey D]

There's no reason it should be between a man and a woman.

[Volumnius Flush]

There's no reason it should be between a man and a woman.

Then I guess I can marry a cow next right? And finally a grape vine.


Hold on one second, I want to show you something Smokey...

[dei]

Cows and grape vines cannot give consent.

[Amit]

No.

123

sorry steve gimmick

[Volumnius Flush]

Cows and grape vines cannot give consent.

No, one moo means yes, two mean no.

No just kidding, but really, I thought the whole point of species surviving and propagating life, and I thought this is what we learn from science, that the whole point of it all is to propagate life, and to do it to the best of our ability and with greater frequency.

How is a gay couple doing this?

[Iscariot]

If they want to bad enough, they should prove their love and go across the nation to make their vows.

k when you want to get married you can drive 2,000 miles to a church in bum**** who-knows-where to do it then your proposal will be fair

[dei]

So should a man and a woman who don't want or can't have children be barred from marriage?

And there are still plenty of heterosexual couples out there who will have children and continue the species. It's not like people are going to suddenly become gay because we've legalised same-sex marriage.

[Smokey D]

There is no purpose in life. At least not one we know.

[Volumnius Flush]

So should a man and a woman who don't want or can't have children be barred from marriage?

And there are still plenty of heterosexual couples out there who will have children and continue the species. It's not like people are going to suddenly become gay because we've legalised same-sex marriage.

I believe gays should be entitled to all the benefits of marriage, but not legally be considered married.

For this cause a man shall leave father and mother and cling to his wife and the twain shall become one flesh...

There is no purpose in life. At least not one we know.

But the biggest single issue in this life is propagation of the species. If we started having babies with no balls and uteruses we'd be in big trouble. We need to think ahead.

[dei]

Separate but equal. It doesn't work.

[Amit]

No just kidding, but really, I thought the whole point of species surviving and propagating life, and I thought this is what we learn from science, that the whole point of it all is to propagate life, and to do it to the best of our ability and with greater frequency.

How is a gay couple doing this?

There's no purpose in life and what you're talking about (propagating life to the best of our ability and with greater frequency) is automatically rendered pointless with the advent of human society and civilization.

And stop quoting verses for no reason other than to annoy people who aren't interested in fairy tales. Especially if you're going to talk about science in the next post.

[Volumnius Flush]

There's no purpose in life and what you're talking about (propagating life to the best of our ability and with greater frequency) is automatically rendered pointless with the advent of human society and civilization.

And stop quoting verses for no reason other than to annoy people who aren't interested in fairy tales.

How is it rendered pointless? Go tell that to Futue te Ipsum. See what he says...

Separate but equal. It doesn't work.

Actually it's not equal and is separate.

[Amit]

How is it rendered pointless? Go tell that to Futue te Ipsum. See what he says...

Evolutionary psychology (what you were talking about) stops being useful when social psychology takes over. That's why we tend to not kill or leave for dead (actively anyway) our weak, infertile, or mentally/physically disabled. That's why there is no goal or purpose in life when a species evolves beyond evolutionary psychology.

[Volumnius Flush]

Evolutionary psychology (what you were talking about) stops being useful when social psychology takes over. That's why we tend to not kill or leave for dead (actively anyway) our weak, infertile, or mentally/physically disabled. That's why there is no goal or purpose in life when a species evolves beyond evolutionary psychology.

Thanks for the advice.

So you're saying Hitler's experiment was one in which he was shifting the focus off of social psychology and aiming more towards evolutionary psychology?

[Amit]

Thanks for the advice.

So you're saying Hitler's experiment was one in which he was shifting the focus off of social psychology and aiming more towards evolutionary psychology?

Yes, except, like with pretty much all things related to Nazi ideology, it was a complete convolution and misinterpretation of evolutionary processes.

[Volumnius Flush]

You seem very knowledgeable Eggo.

[Iscariot]

so what you're saying is you don't want to prove your love by driving 2,000 miles to get married

[Amit]

hahahah

[Volumnius Flush]

so what you're saying is you don't want to prove your love by driving 2,000 miles to get married

I would rather fly.

[Amit]

roadtrips rock tbh

[Iscariot]

I would rather fly.

yeah that's not an option

[Volumnius Flush]

yeah that's not an option

Luckily if I want to get married I can do that in the privacy of my own home. If the homosexuals want to get married, they will have to move to Massachusetts. And that's just the way it has to be.

[Iscariot]

Luckily if I want to get married I can do that in the privacy of my own home.

maybe i'm just confused maybe you could outline the consitutional text that states that you have more marriage rights than a homosexual i think i missed that one in my studies

If the homosexuals want to get married, they will have to move to Massachusetts. And that's just the way it has to be.

why

[BridgeToSolace]

That would actually be great. We need more people in this state paying taxes.

[Volumnius Flush]

maybe i'm just confused maybe you could outline the consitutional text that states that you have more marriage rights than a homosexual i think i missed that one in my studies



why

The Constitution speaks nothing of males marrying males or females marrying females. You know this.

Why? The only state they can marry in is Massachusetts, what better reason than that?

Hey guys, I'm done with this thread for tonight. I am going to post on some other parts of the site, and then get to bed so I'll catch you all later.

[Iscariot]

The Constitution speaks nothing of males marrying males or females marrying females. You know this.

the constitution also does not explicitly state that marriage is the sole privilege of one man and one woman

Why? The only state they can marry in is Massachusetts, what better reason than that?

probably a real reason

one that comes with an intelligent explanation on why homosexual marriages should be restricted to one state and not recognized nationwide when there is no real law outside of state jurisdiction prohibiting such an action

[Volumnius Flush]

the constitution also does not explicitly state that marriage is the sole privilege of one man and one woman



probably a real reason

one that comes with an intelligent explanation on why homosexual marriages should be restricted to one state and not recognized nationwide when there is no real law outside of state jurisdiction prohibiting such an action

Well I guess it is just one of those things the Supreme Court will have to decide because it is one of those issues that isn't explicitly stated in the Constitution, although I'm sure the Framers never intended for there to be gay marriage, though I'm not a scholar and neither am I a legal expert.

But I'll have to catch you later I need to go to bed because it's 230 am here.

[Iscariot]

sweet i win

where's amit when i need a h5

[Amit]

:h5:

[Iscariot]

omg yes

:h5:

[Volumnius Flush]

No really, though, we can talk more tomorrow, but it will have to wait, I am getting tired and am probably not making a lot of sense right now. I really need my rest.

[Iscariot]

No really, though, we can talk more tomorrow, but it will have to wait, I am getting tired and am probably not making a lot of sense right now. I really need my rest.

you must have been tired for the past few years

[Volumnius Flush]

you must have been tired for the past few years

Oh yeah real funny Iscariot, I could die laughing right now.

But really goodnight and I'll see you tomorrow ok?

[Iscariot]

but if you died who would i have to make fun of :(

[siva_chair]

You hear that man, he said he could die.

How does it feel to be a murderer?

[Iscariot]

it feels pretty good jim

[siva_chair]

but if you died who would i have to make fun of :(

You could make fun of your cellmate after they charge you with murder for killing the poor guy. :smash:

[siva_chair]

it feels pretty good jim

Wait, jim? Does this mean I have another name? I'll add it to the list of my spy aliases.

[Iscariot]

You could make fun of your cellmate after they charge you with murder for killing the poor guy. :smash:

but he might be bigger than me :(

Wait, jim? Does this mean I have another name? I'll add it to the list of my spy aliases.

yes and sweet

[siva_chair]

but he might be bigger than me :(

There comes a time in every young man's life where he has to face his fears. Even if those fears are 250 pounds of pure prison sex panther that have the words "LOVE" and "HATE" tattood on their knuckles and get violent when when you talk while they are trying to watch the Golden Girls.


yes and sweet

Ok then. jim it is.

[Iscariot]

There comes a time in every young man's life where he has to face his fears. Even if those fears are 250 pounds of pure prison sex panther that have the words "LOVE" and "HATE" tattood on their knuckles and get violent when when you talk while they are trying to watch the Golden Girls.

but i already joined the army, touched a dead animal, and let a snake sit on my shoulders, i don't want to face anymore fears!

Ok then. jim it is.

for the rest of our time on mx together i will refer to you by this name

[siva_chair]

but i already joined the army, touched a dead animal, and let a snake sit on my shoulders, i don't want to face anymore fears!

Then you better get a good lawyer if he dies!

What did you do in the army?

for the rest of our time on mx together i will refer to you by this name

Fair enough.

Can I call you Tim?

[Iscariot]

Then you better get a good lawyer if he dies!

oh dear

What did you do in the army?

i was a 63M or a bradley mechanic in case you don't know

that all ended when i broke my ankle and got shafted harder than a french whore



Fair enough.

Can I call you Tim?

yes, yes you can

[siva_chair]

oh dear

Too bad Johnny Cochran isn't around anymore. That guy could get people off of murder charges. Plus he was like a rapper too.

i was a 63M or a bradley mechanic in case you don't know

Cool. I have a friend who is a Bradley mechanic. Well I think he works on Bradley's anyway. It would be fitting anyway, seeing how his name is Brad.

that all ended when i broke my ankle and got shafted harder than a french whore

So does anyone know, are French whores as dirty as France's bathrooms?

yes, yes you can

Sweet.

So how is life Tim?

[Iscariot]

Too bad Johnny Cochran isn't around anymore. That guy could get people off of murder charges. Plus he was like a rapper too.

the catholic church has him hidden in the catacombs for a rainy day



Cool. I have a friend who is a Bradley mechanic. Well I think he works on Bradley's anyway. It would be fitting anyway, seeing how his name is Brad.

bradleys are fun to work on



So does anyone know, are French whores as dirty as France's bathrooms?

dirtier tbh



Sweet.

So how is life Tim?

it's pretty alright how about you jim how is life treating you

[siva_chair]

the catholic church has him hidden in the catacombs for a rainy day

Perhaps.

bradleys are fun to work on

I'm not 100% sure that is what he works on. He might be a driver these days, I'm not too sure. I know he has had IEDs tear his vehichles up in the past. I believe he is on his 3rd tour of duty in Iraq.


dirtier tbh Oh shi gross.


it's pretty alright how about you jim how is life treating you

Good I suppose.

[GreyHam]

you bore me

but if we're taking it seriously, then voters are stupid and shouldnt get a say in such things