pre-twentieth century music discussion

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Medieval-Romanticism


a few links to break the ice...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=V8wL1AR7iqo
http://youtube.com/watch?v=81KZka-UZ88

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somehow i'm not surprised its vivaldi and, well, eh. i'm not really wild about the way they did the allegro, but it might be the group itself that sort of doesn't click for me.

to add to the fray, http://youtube.com/watch?v=XnSdLGd4jsQ&feature=related it's kind of got this cheesy piano slideshow vibe but i couldn't find any performed versions that i thought sounded good.

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somehow i'm not surprised its vivaldi and, well, eh. i'm not really wild about the way they did the allegro, but it might be the group itself that sort of doesn't click for me.



They are playing authentic Baroque. Their mission is to be as accurate in their playing as possible. What's wrong with most musicians and listeners today is that they listen to everything from a Romantic standpoint.

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What's wrong with most musicians and listeners today is that they listen to everything from a Romantic standpoint.

Yeah. For people that listen to "classical music", the way this group plays seems radical, but it's probably how Vivaldi sounded..

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They are playing authentic Baroque. Their mission is to be as accurate in their playing as possible. What's wrong with most musicians and listeners today is that they listen to everything from a Romantic standpoint.

... no i mean like they're irritating to watch. i didn't wanna just right out and say that but that's what i meant.

edit: though i will admittedly say that i do in fact enjoy romantic music much more than i do baroque.

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chopin

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... no i mean like they're irritating to watch. i didn't wanna just right out and say that but that's what i meant.

edit: though i will admittedly say that i do in fact enjoy romantic music much more than i do baroque.

I'm quite the opposite; I only started opening up to late Classical/Romantic in the last year or so. I guess it was when my chamber orchestra undertook Dvorak's New World Symphony that I started to open up to it.

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Authentic peformances of music are a load of crap. Each generation plays music from the past in it's own way... and XIX century Bach is different from XX century, and this one is different from XXI.

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Authentic performances are better for a few reasons, the main being this:

Baroque/Classical music sounds like **** on a piano.

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music didn't exist before the twentieth century

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Authentic performances are better for a few reasons, the main being this:

Baroque/Classical music sounds like **** on a piano.

:lol:

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The modern musician is caught up way too much in the world of Equal Temperament.

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~bpl/larips/informal.html

^^^Bach's temperament is the way to go.^^^

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Authentic performances are better for a few reasons, the main being this:

Baroque/Classical music sounds like **** on a piano.

Yeah, right. Mozart, Haydn, Beethoven wrote all those pathetic piano sonatas that they really shouldn't have written.


... and the modern Musiacian is far from being caught up with equal temperament. Probably half or more of modern music is written out of the equal temperament...

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Yeah, right. Mozart, Haydn, Beethoven wrote all those pathetic piano sonatas that they really shouldn't have written.

I'm talking about temperament, but allow me to correct myself: baroque/any classical music that was written for harpsichord. Also, small note: Beethoven was only a Classical composer until he was 30.

... and the modern Musiacian is far from being caught up with equal temperament. Probably half or more of modern music is written out of the equal temperament...

but this is a conversation about the piano, which is very much so in equal temperament.

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Well it doesn't exactly sound like ****. It sounds different and more bland than harprischord, but nevertheless quite good. Since it's still great music.

...and it is impossible to mark where exactly romantiscism begins. Beethoven was Beethoven before and after 30. You can't just say that he was classical before 30 and romantic after. The borders of the periods and the periods themselves are so relative that it's even quite funny to state such things.

"pre-twnentieth century music discussion". I don't see piano mentioned anywhere.


This is Claudio Monteverdi, XVI-XVII century composer, pretty much the creator of the opera, and the who is considered to make the transition between the Rennaisance and Baroque (maybe like Beethoven between Classical and Romantic, surely Monteverdi is as revolutional as Beethoven, maybe not in the spirit of his music (or yes?) but definentely in the music itself.

http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=WdUL1ITZQVM

http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=U8CZUXv0B4Y&feature=related

These are two of his madrigals (one of the most popular genres for secular vocal music during the Renaissance and Baroque eras).

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Oh I know all about Monteverdi. I'm an early music fanatic.

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Authentic peformances of music are a load of crap. Each generation plays music from the past in it's own way... and XIX century Bach is different from XX century, and this one is different from XXI.

i would agree that every generation interprets music of the past differently, but i wouldnt say that "authentic performances" are crap. the HIP movement has led to some miraculous ****...and if youre all about people playing music from the past in their "own way" then you shouldnt say that authentic performances are crap because they are more interesting and fresh than what everyone else is doing on piano and modern violins and stuff.