New clip by Justice (Stress) banned from television in France & other countries.

[Give me Beer]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zOP0IECS2FY

This clip was banned from just about every music channel on television. In fact, I don't know any that plays it. While I can see the reasoning behind banning it, they keep doing it with so many movies & clips lately. Like Ma 6-T va crack-er, for the same reasons.

& Yeah, some of the scenes in the clip are a daily reality in France.

Jusqu'ici tout va mal.

[beso negro]

one of the coolest vids i've seen in a while

Jusqu'ici tout va bien

[Give me Beer]

I did lol at the guy getting spraypainted together with the wall, such an asshole move but it did crack me up.

It's just so typical of music stations to not wanting to play that. What are they afraid of ...

[peeted]

& Yeah, some of the scenes in the clip are a daily reality in France.



Rapes probibly a daily scene in france, doesnt mean it should be the contents of a music video. Personaly i thought this video was alright, liked the song, but of course most comercial music chanels will ban it because most comercial music chanals are aimed at kids.

[Give me Beer]

Aimed at kids? How many music videos have you seen lately? I don't know, but if they're supposed to be old enough to watch those, I can't imagine why they wouldn't be able to watch this one.

[peeted]

Well most of them are glossy, and kids wont get the sexual content etc untill they hit their teens. This video is gritty and violent, violence is violence however old you are. Plus its obviousley more likley to cause controversy, and if you own a music chanal your gona wanna avoid contraversy, you can aford to not air videos like this, so why air them?

[Mr. Ron]

one of the coolest vids i've seen in a while

Jusqu'ici tout va bien

whats cool about sexual harassment and gang beatings? They're just a bunch of assholes creating trouble.

[guitrguy]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zOP0IECS2FY

This clip was banned from just about every music channel on television. In fact, I don't know any that plays it. While I can see the reasoning behind banning it, they keep doing it with so many movies & clips lately. Like Ma 6-T va crack-er, for the same reasons.

& Yeah, some of the scenes in the clip are a daily reality in France.

Jusqu'ici tout va mal.
To me it seems the video is trying to make a point of highlighting the problems France has. A call to change. Downright banning the politically uncomfortable is not a way to change.

[dei]

whats cool about sexual harassment and gang beatings? They're just a bunch of assholes creating trouble.

Sexual harassment and gang beatings are good things in French culture.

[Untitled]

Justice had to pull out of a festival over here this weekend because of all the trouble this video has got them into in france.

Huge contrast between this and the D.A.N.C.E and DVNO videos.

I think its set out to make a point about the violence and crap that happens in france, rather then making the video for the sake of it.

[PerpetualBurn]

I enjoyed it. I don't know many details about the band and why they chose to make such a video, nor am I particularly well versed in the social problems in the country it originates.

Still, I see no reason to ban it.

[dei]

But France is only a stone's throw from where you are. You should know more about it, PB!

[flabbergast]

I think its set out to make a point about the violence and crap that happens in france, rather then making the video for the sake of it.

I wonder... If that's the case, then it does so very poorly.

What's the use in pointing out that violence exists in the hood, if you don't take the effort to explain where it comes from and even more importantly, where it leads to? Because in order to solve such problems, you really need to take a good look at that.

It´s a very complex issue where both sides are to blame, it certainly can´t be fixed by a video of a few minutes, but i don´t feel as if they´re really trying either.

The only thing that faintly suggests a cause is the title, but it´s not going to make Achmed and Pierre understand/like eachother any better.

Not saying it should have had a Cosby Show Moral, and it does suit the music, but all i really see in it is a confirmation of stereotypes that fuel these problems in the first place.

[Mr. Ron]

Yeah, if you were to just view the video with no knowledge of the title and such, you'd just think they're causing trouble for no reason.

[mph4ever]

its a pity they choose to ban this type of content, its not like the kids don't see this sh'it is going on all the time. maybe if more people were exposed to this stuff it might wake them up a little, they might actually take social issues seriously instead of living and dying in the blissful peace of suburbia

i like this stuff, the french leading the way again

[peeted]

or kids may think "that looks like fun" and try to emulate it.

[PerpetualBurn]

But France is only a stone's throw from where you are. You should know more about it, PB!

I know they chomp onions, ride bicycles, eat frogs, and tweak their little moustaches and say "eehaw eehaw eehaw" all day long.

And that's all I need to know.

[pppoe]

its a pity they choose to ban this type of content, its not like the kids don't see this sh'it is going on all the time. maybe if more people were exposed to this stuff it might wake them up a little, they might actually take social issues seriously instead of living and dying in the blissful peace of suburbia

i like this stuff, the french leading the way again

I think if you want people to take social issues more seriously, you have to look at the cause and this video does not do that.

[free_thinkers_are_dangerous]

I agree with banning it in France anyway. They have enough crap like this as it is, and this video essentially looks like it's glorifying it until the last 20 seconds when they all turn on the cameraman.

If the song had words about violence or something I would get it, but this video appears to glorify it for almost the entire song. And believe me, in most cases I think almost anything should be fair game. I agree with the ban in places that already have problems with this type of violence.

[mph4ever]

you can also provoke similar consideration by looking at the effects of social issues. this video takes some very serious music and combines it with more and more situations that allow you to empathise with both the perpetrators of the violence, as in, why are they doing this, and with the victims, as in, why are they doing that to those innocents. brings social issues to the fore for me.

france has had some rough times lately with social unrest, riots and such, i can see where the anger can come from

[guitrguy]

I think if you want people to take social issues more seriously, you have to look at the cause and this video does not do that.

You kind of need to recognize what the problem is before you look at the cause. The video pointed out what the problem is.

[peeted]

If the aim of this video is to make a point about social issues then its no suprise its not being played on music chanels any way, they are for enternatinment not education.

[PerpetualBurn]

How people interpret it is completely irrelevant.

It doesn't matter what point it's making.

[DekWannaBFlea]

If the video is trying to make a point then it isn't providing a very good context for the viewer.

[Smokey D]

If the aim of this video is to make a point about social issues then its no suprise its not being played on music chanels any way, they are for enternatinment not education.

wait what?

Just because you don't want to see it doesn't mean other people wouldn't.

[peeted]

Thats not what im saying, the point im trying to make is that most comercial music chanels are there for entertainment of kids and teenagers. As a result they are unlikley to want to play violent videos that make deep social statements. Kids arnt going to enjoy that, and if they are it will probibly be for the wrong reasons.

I dont mind the video myself, and i enjoy the song. Id far rather wach this than alot of the other benine crap thats put on music chanels, however i dont think that I, or many of the other pnwi forum members, realy fit into the target audience of most of these music chanals.

[Lufnoops]

interesting video but damn that song sucks

[Light Fantastic]

As a result they are unlikley to want to play violent videos that make deep social statements. Kids arnt going to enjoy that,um you know most music channels operate using viewer requests, so if they dont want to see it being the only reason for not playing it then why ban it


and if they are it will probibly be for the wrong reasons.
ok decider of whats best for other peoples children

[siva_chair]

interesting video but damn that song sucks

Well duh it's French. :smoke:

[peeted]

um you know most music channels operate using viewer requests, so if they dont want to see it being the only reason for not playing it then why ban it


ok decider of whats best for other peoples children
Your first point is a good one, however music chanels will still want to avoid the controvasy they would cause by airing videos like that.

And with regard to your second point im obviosley not trying to say whats best for other peoples kids. Im saying that not many kids are going to be waching that video for the social comentery, maybe some, but not many. And if the video was intended to provide a social comentery then the kids reasons for waching the video would be the oposite of that intended, and therefore the wrong reasons.

[fingers mccoy]

from what i've heard this video was banned because it's supposed to imply racism

violence is not something the media is loath to portray and there is no racism in this video. There is no reason to ban it.

Really the only thing i can see that might make it considered bannable is its realism. The violence is indiscriminate, poorly organised and over in a few seconds. Perhaps there is a fear that if someone sees this video they will realise how very easy it is to maim and rob someone, to torch a car or to trash a bar - far from the hyperbolic, protracted violence that is for some reason deemed appropriate by the censorship boards, despite being misleading, perverse and glorifying.

[Light Fantastic]

And with regard to your second point im obviosley not trying to say whats best for other peoples kids. Im saying that not many kids are going to be waching that video for the social comentery, maybe some, but not many. And if the video was intended to provide a social comentery then the kids reasons for waching the video would be the oposite of that intended, and therefore the wrong reasons.
who cares if people are watching it because they find random violence/vandalism/whatever amusing, theres no 'wrong' reason to watch or enjoy it

[Reaganista]

wow france must be rough i mean some of those guys had sticks and they slapped people in the face

[peeted]

who cares if people are watching it because they find random violence/vandalism/whatever amusing, theres no 'wrong' reason to watch or enjoy it

Well besides any moral objections if a video is created with a certain purpose in mind then there is a certain specific reason why people are intended to enjoy it. If they enjoy it for reasons other than that reason (and especialy if the reasons contradict the intended purpose of the video) then they are enjoying if for the wrong reasons. Its like reading a book and getting the meaning completley confused.

[Give me Beer]

wow france must be rough i mean some of those guys had sticks and they slapped people in the face

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBH30IGYyzM

Last 10 minutes of Ma 6-T va crack-er, also banned in France for fear of it inciting riots. :0

;)

[mph4ever]

thats so wrong, police brutality is an everyday occurence

police can riot all that they please

[Give me Beer]

I don't think it's the police they were afraid would riot. Remember 2005? (That movie was made years earlier, it's almost prescient, one of the lines in the song is "The day that the cités will explode is coming", oh and the riots start becasue the cops kill a guy on a scooter.)

[mph4ever]

I don't think it's the police they were afraid would riot. Remember 2005? (That movie was made years earlier, it's almost prescient, one of the lines in the song is "The day that the cités will explode is coming", oh and the riots start becasue the cops kill a guy on a scooter.)

i know exactly what your talking about but i always notice in these situations that the police show no restraint, once they start they feel they have a right to kick fu'ck out of everyone, police can riot all that they please

[Light Fantastic]

Well besides any moral objections if a video is created with a certain purpose in mind then there is a certain specific reason why people are intended to enjoy it. If they enjoy it for reasons other than that reason (and especialy if the reasons contradict the intended purpose of the video) then they are enjoying if for the wrong reasons. Its like reading a book and getting the meaning completley confused.

yeah i mean i guess you are right lets ban songs and books and movies that are even slightly ambiguous because people interpret them differently and if you dont agree with the creator you are obviously wrong and shouldnt like them at all

[peeted]

Im merley pointing out that its completley understandable that music chanels dont air this video because their target audiences are the ones likley to misinterprit the content. And the music chanels would be the ones to bare the brunt of the controvasy caused by its airing. I am not suggesting it should be "banned", nor do i have any personal objection to the content, but i think that given the circumstances the music chanels are perfectley within their rights to choose not to air a video such as this.

[mph4ever]

yeah i mean i guess you are right lets ban songs and books and movies that are even slightly ambiguous because people interpret them differently and if you dont agree with the creator you are obviously wrong and shouldnt like them at all


love live censorship! its just what we need right now to calm things down

[jenyus]

I liked the video and the music went well with it. These gangs are in the United States too! Just a bunch of punk *** kids, tho it is a political commentary I suppose, about poor black negroes from the hood. I'm not surprised companies don't want to associate themselves with this flick. It could be deemed racist, ultra violent, maybe too real (so what right?).

If it were barred from being published and produced I would have a problem but as it is, the internet exists and almost anyone can watch it.

Thanks youtube.

[Oriah]

This video kicked ***.

[Reaganista]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBH30IGYyzM

Last 10 minutes of Ma 6-T va crack-er, also banned in France for fear of it inciting riots. :0

;)

wow french censors are really uptight