Women: Home with the kids is where they belong

[Dr Hooch]

I would like to marry my third cousin but she is 5 years older and has a degree and is far too, what's the word, fortunate, or blessed, or educated, or proper to marry her cousin.

is cousin marriage the reserve of those who have had misfortune?

Educated is probably a good start, along with "NOT A COUSIN MARRIER" too.

[Iskandar]

My state borders Quebec... do I have the right to correct your French as well?Nah, Quebec French is wacky.

[free_thinkers_are_dangerous]

Nah, Quebec French is wacky.

mange de la marde

:)

[Volumnius Flush]

mange de la marde

:)

eat the marde? what?

is cousin marriage the reserve of those who have had misfortune?

Educated is probably a good start, along with "NOT A COUSIN MARRIER" too.

And she's dating someone right now. I already proposed some time ago.

Um...maybe...?

You don't get it do you? Pooper-scooper! ftw!

[1338 h4x0r]

eat the marde? what?

'Marde' sounds like 'merde', so I believe this means "eat ****"

You don't get it do you? Pooper-scooper! ftw!

Um...no...

[Volumnius Flush]

Um...no...

Let me explain this to you very simply. Girls have a pooper, and in the front they have a scooper. Boys have a pooper, and in the front have goobers.

[1338 h4x0r]

Let me explain this to you very simply. Girls have a pooper, and in the front they have a scooper. Boys have a pooper, and in the front have goobers.

Well, OK, but that wasn't funny.

[Volumnius Flush]

Well, OK, but that wasn't funny.

Well your joke wasn't any funnier than my joke. And if anything yours was less funny because you were trying to be funny and miserably failed whereas I was just making a pun and not even attempting to be funny. Therefore, you failed at funny, I succeeded at pun.

[free_thinkers_are_dangerous]

'Marde' sounds like 'merde', so I believe this means "eat ****"


yeah, that's the gist of it. the meaning of "marde" is best described as a fictional substance more offensive than ****.

[1338 h4x0r]

Well your joke wasn't any funnier than my joke. And if anything yours was less funny because you were trying to be funny and miserably failed whereas I was just making a pun and not even attempting to be funny. Therefore, you failed at funny, I succeeded at pun.

Intelligent people find my jokes funny and witty. They find yours unfunny and hokey. Ergo, my jokes are funnier than your jokes. Capiche?

yeah, that's the gist of it. the meaning of "marde" is best described as a fictional substance more offensive than ****.

What would 'marde' look like? That supernatural slime in Ghostbusters 2?

[Volumnius Flush]

Intelligent people find my jokes funny and witty. They find yours unfunny and hokey. Ergo, my jokes are funnier than your jokes. Capiche?

Oh yes because telling people to stick it in the pooper is a sure sign of great intelligence and wit. :rolleyes:

[free_thinkers_are_dangerous]

What would 'marde' look like? That supernatural slime in Ghostbusters 2?

yeah, but smellier.

[1338 h4x0r]

Oh yes because telling people to stick it in the pooper is a sure sign of great intelligence and wit. :rolleyes:

Well, no, but that doesn't imply I'm not funny.

[Volumnius Flush]

Well, no, but that doesn't imply I'm not funny.

It doesn't imply you're not funny and neither does it imply you have a shred of originality or any higher understanding of how comedy works.

[free_thinkers_are_dangerous]

hey VF regardless of whether or not anybody else is funny, you really arent.

[Volumnius Flush]

hey VF regardless of whether or not anybody else is funny, you really arent.

I'm just saying his pooper joke was unoriginal and childish. Oh haha he said pooper, I'm going to laugh like a 6 year old now!

[1338 h4x0r]

It doesn't imply you're not funny and neither does it imply you have a shred of originality or any higher understanding of how comedy works.

Consider that Mike Judge, creator of Beavis and Butt-head, has a degree in physics.

In fact, a lot of people in the he-man engineering sciences have pretty puerile humor.

Not that you would understand that.

[free_thinkers_are_dangerous]

Consider that Mike Judge, creator of Beavis and Butt-head, has a degree in physics.

In fact, a lot of people in the he-man engineering sciences have pretty puerile humor.

Not that you would understand that.

fyi engineering humour is retarded

/is an engineering student

[1338 h4x0r]

Well yes, this is true.

/is a CS student

[gregulus]

I find most humor math or science related to be hilarious.

[1338 h4x0r]

Q: What's the difference between the set of integers and the set of guys yo momma slept with?
A: The set of integers is countable!! OHHHHHHHH

Q: Why do you have to use a breadth-first search to find anything in yo momma's rolls of fat?
A: Because a DFS would never terminate!! OHHHHHHHH

[Volumnius Flush]

Consider that Mike Judge, creator of Beavis and Butt-head, has a degree in physics.

In fact, a lot of people in the he-man engineering sciences have pretty puerile humor.

Not that you would understand that.

Beavis and Butthead wasn't a bad show. But still your pooper joke was rather puerile itself.

[Iscariot]

when super smart people try to be funny they usually fail

[1338 h4x0r]

Beavis and Butthead wasn't a bad show. But still your pooper joke was rather puerile itself.

So? I didn't say it wasn't.

when super smart people try to be funny they usually fail

You didn't get it, move on and stop whining.

[Chu]

when super smart people try to be funny they usually fail
Well, fail is pretty subjective here.

People could just be too dumb to understand it, hence the fail.

[Iscariot]

nah it's not about not understanding it because when high intelligence individuals try to be funny they make an attempt at dumbing down their humor so everyone can get it

tbh i would rather they make smart jokes that are actually hilarious than try to be funny on the same level as the rest of us

basically - just be yourself <3

[1338 h4x0r]

The idea of countability vs. uncountability is inherently unfunny until yo momma enters the picture.

[Volumnius Flush]

when super smart people try to be funny they usually fail

Maybe that's my problem...

[Iscariot]

Maybe that's my problem...

no i said super smart people you aren't included in that demographic

[Volumnius Flush]

no i said super smart people you aren't included in that demographic

Oh super smart I see. So if you were to say simply smart then I would fall into that one.

[1338 h4x0r]

Maybe. Maybe even more if you dropped the 'sal-VAY-shun in JAY-zus' and 'Obama is a secret Muslim' shtick.

[Volumnius Flush]

Maybe. Maybe even more if you dropped the 'sal-VAY-shun in JAY-zus' and 'Obama is a secret Muslim' shtick.

Who said it was a shtick? I truly believe those things.

[Iscariot]

and that's why you aren't considered intelligent

[Volumnius Flush]

and that's why you aren't considered intelligent

I'll let my math iq speak for itself.

[Iscariot]

:lol:

[Volumnius Flush]

:lol:

If my verbal IQ was 30 points higher my IQ would be over 140.

[Iscariot]

if iq was a fair estimate of common sense and social skills that might actually be worth something

[Against Miik!]

Well thats a pretty common response on the internet. You NEVER hear someone say that they have an average IQ, or god forbid only slight genius

It would be like hearing a man announce that he has no penis. You just don't hear it

[Volumnius Flush]

if iq was a fair estimate of common sense and social skills that might actually be worth something

Social skills =/= intelligence, neither does common sense. It is like a cup: IQ doesn't say how much is in the cup, but simply what it can hold.

[Chu]

I don't understand how IQ is a [definitive] measurement of intelligence.

[Iscariot]

I don't understand how IQ is a [definitive] measurement of intelligence.

it isn't

it measures your capacity to learn not your cumulative knowledge and your ability to apply that knowledge to a situation that isn't printed on paper

[Volumnius Flush]

I don't understand how IQ is a [definitive] measurement of intelligence.

That's what I said. It's not how much is in the cup, but only what it can hold.

[Against Miik!]

Its not definitive. It really only measures reasoning skills, not facts or knowledge. Reason is a very important tool to being a knowledgeable person though.

So it does not directly measure intelligence, but you would very rarely see a complete moron do well, or a seemingly intelligent person do horrible.

[Chu]

I don't think it's a very good measurement, at all.

Edit: I don't know VF, I am like The man when it comes to useless facts, and God knows how I remember them all... I don't have a particularly high IQ, in fact, I'm a complete moron, who has earnt intelligence.

[Volumnius Flush]

Its not definitive. It really only measures reasoning skills, not facts or knowledge. Reason is a very important tool to being a knowledgeable person though.


Well I, by all accounts, have some of the lowest reasoning skills on the forum but my math IQ is in the top 3% of everyone in the nation (approximately).

[1338 h4x0r]

Who said it was a shtick? I truly believe those things.

You believe in shtick. And it's sad.

I'll let my math iq speak for itself.

Do you understand any of this article

http://planetmath.org/encyclopedia/DijkstrasAlgorithm.html

Because I wrote it

if iq was a fair estimate of common sense and social skills that might actually be worth something

Well, VF is right in that common sense and social skills do not necessarily correspond to intelligence. In particular, people with a philosophical and/or mathematical bent often seem to be limited there.

I don't understand how IQ is a [definitive] measurement of intelligence.

It's a shaky correspondence. It doesn't mean nothing, but it's not completely accurate either. For instance, it would imply that Kalahari tribesmen and Australian Aboriginals are generally retarded, which is not true.

Its not definitive. It really only measures reasoning skills, not facts or knowledge. Reason is a very important tool to being a knowledgeable person though.

So it does not directly measure intelligence, but you would very rarely see a complete moron do well, or a seemingly intelligent person do horrible.

I almost agree. There are too many cultural assumptions in all of these standardized tests though.

[Volumnius Flush]

You believe in shtick. And it's sad.



Do you understand any of this article

http://planetmath.org/encyclopedia/DijkstrasAlgorithm.html

Because I wrote it

How is believing in shtick sad?

And no I don't understand it. But it's only because I haven't learned it yet. My capacity to learn is probably as high as yours, btw.

[1338 h4x0r]

How is believing in shtick sad?

Because believing that Obama is a secret Muslim despite all the evidence to the contrary is incredibly stupid

And no I don't understand it. But it's only because I haven't learned it yet. My capacity to learn is probably as high as yours, btw.

And yet you say that statistics scare you...?

[Chu]

Then VF, you are in the wrong field.

[Volumnius Flush]

Because believing that Obama is a secret Muslim despite all the evidence to the contrary is incredibly stupid



And yet you say that statistics scare you...?

I don't know if I said they scare me, but they definitely bother me. I prefer calculus!

Then VF, you are in the wrong field.

What field am I in?

[1338 h4x0r]

I don't know if I said they scare me, but they definitely bother me. I prefer calculus!

How can you be good at calculus and yet show no ability to use logic whatever? Like claiming that Obama wants to include the US in the OIC because he goofed up and said 57 states.

[Against Miik!]

I just assumed he was joking whenever he said that

[1338 h4x0r]

Yeah he actually means it

[Against Miik!]

Coming from the resident conspiracy theorist:

wtf is wrong with you vf

[1338 h4x0r]

Blinding faith is what's wrong with him tbh

[Volumnius Flush]

How can you be good at calculus and yet show no ability to use logic whatever? Like claiming that Obama wants to include the US in the OIC because he goofed up and said 57 states.

I don't know. It's a gift I guess.

Coming from the resident conspiracy theorist:

wtf is wrong with you vf

Nothing is wrong with me. Or maybe it's one of my 7 disorders showing!

[1338 h4x0r]

I don't know. It's a gift I guess.

How good are you at calculus? I want to know, seriously.

[Volumnius Flush]

How good are you at calculus? I want to know, seriously.

I suck at it. I never got past first semester Cal 1. But it's not because I dropped out. i was such a bad student they kicked me out of school. But of the basic fundamental principles of calculus I did learn I enjoyed it. But I'll let you know how it turns out if you're still here in 2 years. By then I should be up to Cal 4.

[1338 h4x0r]

So how can you be good at math if you aren't good at any area of math

Hell, even I'm not that good at calculus and yet Cal I was pretty easy

[Volumnius Flush]

So how can you be good at math if you aren't good at any area of math

Math IQ does not determine your advanced placement, it only determines things like reciting fifteen digits forward and backward.

[1338 h4x0r]

Errr, OK, that's pretty much useless bullshit though

[Chu]

Pattern matching though, it's stupid, I have a pseudo-IQ because I have devised extremely efficient ways of memorising ridiculously long numbers...

And VF, I have an issue with religion, especially Christianity, and to find an intelligent person, basically being a sheep, voids their intelligence...

I do love Calculus though, maybe I have some intelligence after all?

[Volumnius Flush]

Errr, OK, that's pretty much useless bullshit though

It's apart of nonverbal IQ. It indicates how good you are with numbers, not how advanced you are.

[Volumnius Flush]

Pattern matching though, it's stupid, I have a pseudo-IQ because I have devised extremely efficient ways of memorising ridiculously long numbers...

And VF, I have an issue with religion, especially Christianity, and to find an intelligent person, basically being a sheep, voids their intelligence...

I do love Calculus though, maybe I have some intelligence after all?

I am not a sheep. How am I a sheep? And can you prove it? Probably not. So don't make blanket assertions you can't prove.

[Iscariot]

not necessarily on topic but math can be a tough subject

i was a very bad student in school but since i've been out of school and i've been helping my brother and sister with their algebra and pre cal it's actually surprisingly easy i think my brain just wasn't in the right place for it before

[Chu]

Well, the whole basis of Christianity is sheep herding, so technically, being a Christian, you are a sheep. Point proven...

[Volumnius Flush]

Well, the whole basis of Christianity is sheep herding, so technically, being a Christian, you are a sheep. Point proven...

One down one to go. If you use it in that since I am a sheep. But that's not what you meant.

[1338 h4x0r]

It's apart of nonverbal IQ. It indicates how good you are with numbers, not how advanced you are.

Yeah, but Pal Erdos was a famous and prolific mathematician who frequently phayled at arithmetic. Repeating a sequence of numbers backwards accurately only makes one a savant, not a mathematician.

i was a very bad student in school but since i've been out of school and i've been helping my brother and sister with their algebra and pre cal it's actually surprisingly easy i think my brain just wasn't in the right place for it before

More or less the same here. I learn better on my own.

One down one to go. If you use it in that since I am a sheep. But that's not what you meant.

There's a reason there's a hymn called Den store, hvide flok (The great wide flock)

Being a part of an organized religion, especially when you believe fervently, tends to make one a sheople.

[Volumnius Flush]

Yeah, but Pal Erdos was a famous and prolific mathematician who frequently phayled at arithmetic. Repeating a sequence of numbers backwards accurately only makes one a savant, not a mathematician.


Not even a savant. Plus, savants are exclusively children so I may have been a savant growing up. But I wasn't that good... Savant entails a very extensive understanding of numbers.

Being a part of an organized religion, especially when you believe fervently, tends to make one a sheople.

You don't know me personally so you can't say I am a sheeple. I could be a great father to the Christian faith and not even know it. Would you say Calvin or Luther were sheeple?

[Chu]

Nah, I'm not going to explain any more, as I said, I have issues with religion, in particular Christianity.

I just would have thought, being a person of intelligence, you'd much more likely go "Why would I even care if there is a God", there's so much more important, and interesting things to concern yourself over.

[1338 h4x0r]

Not even a savant. Plus, savants are exclusively children so I may have been a savant growing up. But I wasn't that good... Savant entails a very extensive understanding of numbers.

What? Adults can be savants as well. And you might as well take my word for it because I can demonstrate it.

Anyway repeating numbers backwards =/= good @ math


You don't know me personally so you can't say I am a sheeple. I could be a great father to the Christian faith and not even know it. Would you say Calvin or Luther were sheeple?

Luther was an anti-Semitic bigot and Calvin was just plain nuts. They are not men I hold in high esteem.

[Iscariot]

More or less the same here. I learn better on my own.

yeah i've always had a hard time absorbing a lecture whereas if i just sit down with a textbook and do the exercises i'll learn something very easily

i think it's mostly the poor teaching methods used by educators in the public education system they're in such a hurry to get their lessons across and they have so many students in every class that one-on-one time and actual teaching go out the window

[1338 h4x0r]

Agreed, plus they have to have a generic method that sort of works for everyone.

[Volumnius Flush]

Nah, I'm not going to explain any more, as I said, I have issues with religion, in particular Christianity.

I just would have thought, being a person of intelligence, you'd much more likely go "Why would I even care if there is a God", there's so much more important, and interesting things to concern yourself over.

At least answer my point. Were Calvin and Luther sheeple? I think they were rather original and contributed something new and great to Christian theology whereas you are right most people are sheeple today. I however am more like a Luther for the 21st century.

yeah i've always had a hard time absorbing a lecture whereas if i just sit down with a textbook and do the exercises i'll learn something very easily

i think it's mostly the poor teaching methods used by educators in the public education system they're in such a hurry to get their lessons across and they have so many students in every class that one-on-one time and actual teaching go out the window

I actually have to have things explained to me. I can't teach myself because I learn completely differently than most people and it usually takes several tries but afterwards I become very efficient.

[1338 h4x0r]

At least answer my point. Were Calvin and Luther sheeple?

Yes ... for believing ardently in something for which there was no evidence.

I however am more like a Luther for the 21st century.

:lol:


I actually have to have things explained to me. I can't teach myself because I learn completely differently than most people and it usually takes several tries but afterwards I become very efficient.

You mean you can't figure them out by reading on your own?

[Iscariot]

Yes ... for believing ardently in something for which there was no evidence.

not really the most logical comparison i'll admit but blind faith is what allowed science to progress to the point it has

it used to be punishable by death to believe that there were any celestial bodies other than the planet earth

[1338 h4x0r]

I don't follow

[Iscariot]

I don't follow

hooke believed that tissue was comprised of something smaller than could be seen by the human eye even though at the time there was nothing to prove that this was a fact

he ended up discovering cells

i'm not necessarily saying that christians are going to prove the existence of god, but blind faith has never actually hurt anything

[Volumnius Flush]

Yes ... for believing ardently in something for which there was no evidence.

Calvin and Luther were most certainly not sheeple although it's a matter of personal opinions...


:lol:

No seriously.


You mean you can't figure them out by reading on your own?

What did you not understand about my post? I have to have it explained to me but it has to be explained in the right language otherwise I don't understand it. AS is related to SPD btw.

[1338 h4x0r]

hooke believed that tissue was comprised of something smaller than could be seen by the human eye even though at the time there was nothing to prove that this was a fact

he ended up discovering cells

Ok, van Leeuwenhoek? Well that's intuition, not faith. The two are very different. And intuition has to be backed up with evidence (in science) or proof (in math).

I was writing a proof today and I thought "maybe proof by contradiction will work here". I was right, but that's not blind faith because I proved the statement.

[Chu]

I never did religious studies.

I have no idea who Calvin or Luther were. (I'll be back in a moment after reading up some wiki articles though).

But honestly, I find intelligent people who actively follow religion are doing it just so they can dumb down their own intelligence, and appear 'normal' to the foreign world.

Which is completely the wrong way of going about things, exactly like the "Punish Bad Drivers" scheme, why not reward good drivers? Applies in pretty much any context I think.

Complete backwards society is ****ed up.

I have to say, Calvin doesn't count, Christianity 5 centuries ago is not what Christianity represents today...

The addition to the 7 deadly sins, completely materialised Christianity in my mind. Such a bad choice.

No offence to you, VF, you are obviously a smart guy with a solid head, I just find your trust in Christianity so painful.

Edit: i'm not necessarily saying that christians are going to prove the existence of god, but blind faith has never actually hurt anything
It's hurt EVERYTHING, in the sense it has delayed, and slowed our progress, in almost every field, without a doubt.

Even today, we are still being held back by Christians who honestly think some piece of **** book written too long ago about a fictional dude named Jesus should be taken as if it was your own mother's words.

Argh, it annoys, and frustrates me, and I care not about the subject to involve more than 5% of my thoughts, so I just randomly hurl insults at Christians.

I just fail to see how so many people can still believe in this ****, despite the MANY conflicting facts.

[Iscariot]

Ok, van Leeuwenhoek? Well that's intuition, not faith. The two are very different. And intuition has to be backed up with evidence (in science) or proof (in math).

intuition and faith are separated by nothing until empirical evidence comes into the picture

all ideas start out as nothing more than that - ideas

it takes faith in an idea to put in the work needed to gather evidence to support it as a fact

[1338 h4x0r]

Calvin and Luther were most certainly not sheeple although it's a matter of personal opinions...

In my opinion, they are sheople.

No seriously.

:smash:

What did you not understand about my post? I have to have it explained to me but it has to be explained in the right language otherwise I don't understand it. AS is related to SPD btw.

Semantic Pragmatic Disorder? Ok, maybe that's the case but I don't see how that would limit your ability to learn math because the language associated with math and CS is sharp and unambiguous. Computer programs written in an ALGOL-based language in particular are very easy to understand.

intuition and faith are separated by nothing until empirical evidence comes into the picture

all ideas start out as nothing more than that - ideas

it takes faith in an idea to put in the work needed to gather evidence to support it as a fact

Well, ok, but we're quibbling over meaning now. Suffice it to say that no one can prove the existence of a supernatural.

I have no idea who Calvin or Luther were. (I'll be back in a moment after reading up some wiki articles though).

Luther - started Protestant movement in Christianity
Calvin - introduced extra-fervent branch of Christianity that among other things believes people are predestined for Heaven or Hell


But honestly, I find intelligent people who actively follow religion are doing it just so they can dumb down their own intelligence, and appear 'normal' to the foreign world.

I used to pretend to like soccer for this reason. It didn't work.

[Volumnius Flush]

I have to say, Calvin doesn't count, Christianity 5 centuries ago is not what Christianity represents today...

Calvin was a father of the modern church. Along with St. Augustine of Hippo and St. Jerome. There are still fathers today and I will tell you, their views do not match up with 99% of what is passing for Christianity today.

No offence to you, VF, you are obviously a smart guy with a solid head, I just find your trust in Christianity so painful.

I have been enlightened I guess you can say. But to receive insight into the truth first you have to take a step into the water so to speak.

[Volumnius Flush]

In my opinion, they are sheople.



:smash:



Semantic Pragmatic Disorder? Ok, maybe that's the case but I don't see how that would limit your ability to learn math because the language associated with math and CS is sharp and unambiguous. Computer programs written in an ALGOL-based language in particular are very easy to understand.



Well, ok, but we're quibbling over meaning now. Suffice it to say that no one can prove the existence of a supernatural.

Sensory Processing Disorder.

[Iscariot]

Well, ok, but we're quibbling over meaning now.

yeah agreed this is getting a little silly

Suffice it to say that no one can prove the existence of a supernatural.

not yet anyway

i wouldn't rule it out completely

science's capacity for progress is limitless

[1338 h4x0r]

Sensory Processing Disorder.

That's not a learning disability. Not directly anyway. But hey, it sucks. I have this repro Viking wool tunic that looks awesome, but I can only wear it with a long-sleeved undershirt.

Calvin was a father of the modern church. Along with St. Augustine of Hippo and St. Jerome. There are still fathers today and I will tell you, their views do not match up with 99% of what is passing for Christianity today.

And these are...?

I have been enlightened I guess you can say. But to receive insight into the truth first you have to take a step into the water so to speak.

:lol:


not yet anyway

i wouldn't rule it out completely

science's capacity for progress is limitless

That will only happen if the supernatural is somehow observable or measurable. Since 'supernatural' means 'above nature', I don't see that happening.

[Iscariot]

the supernatural is only above nature in terms of our current understanding of nature

i mean not to sound like a broken record but plenty of things that are common sense to us today used to be considered supernatural, like the earth orbiting the sun for example

no matter how advanced we believe ourselves to be there is always more to achieve

[1338 h4x0r]

Hm, OK ... although I have a feeling we won't observe God anytime soon.

[Volumnius Flush]

That's not a learning disability.

And these are...?

I didn't say it was a learning disability or that I have it. I do have AS which is a pervasive developmental disorder, or PDD.

And what are what?

[Iscariot]

Hm, OK ... although I have a feeling we won't observe God anytime soon.

well even though i am catholic and i do believe in the teachings of the bible i am skeptical as to the existence of a creator i can't be completely ignorant to the arguments against it

i think the important thing though is maintaining my faith that it's still not impossible

who knows if it will ever be proven or not but i don't think faith is going anywhere anytime soon is all

[1338 h4x0r]

I didn't say it was a learning disability or that I have it. I do have AS which is a pervasive developmental disorder, or PDD.

Ok, so why'd you bring it up?

And having AS doesn't mean you suck at learning.

And what are what?

Who are the modern-day "fathers of Christianity"? And, btw, are there "mothers of Christianity" as well?

[Volumnius Flush]

Ok, so why'd you bring it up?

And having AS doesn't mean you suck at learning.



Who are the modern-day "fathers of Christianity"? And, btw, are there "mothers of Christianity" as well?

I didn't say having AS does mean I suck at learning. You obviously don't understand AS very well. It is related to SPD in that when learning, things have to be explained in a very precise manner for us to understand what is being said. Especially in math. There are also many verbal deficiencies while many AS patients have a rather exceptional vocabulary. It comes down to the processing of information.

There are mothers of the church. But in general there are no mothers of the Christian faith. Mostly just fathers.

[Iscariot]

the virgin mary is considered the mother of the church

[1338 h4x0r]

I didn't say having AS does mean I suck at learning. You obviously don't understand AS very well.

I've only lived with it for 20 years.

It is related to SPD in that when learning, things have to be explained in a very precise manner for us to understand what is being said.

That's not sensory processing disorder. That's semantic pragmatic disorder.


Especially in math.


Mathematical language is precise to begin with, so that's a moot point.

http://i26.tinypic.com/2nkt9u9.png

See? Clear as day


There are also many verbal deficiencies while many AS patients have a rather exceptional vocabulary. It comes down to the processing of information.

Yeah, like I didn't know this.


There are mothers of the church. But in general there are no mothers of the Christian faith. Mostly just fathers.

I figured as much. This is perhaps one reason I'm not a Xian.

[Chu]

But maths is such an unambiguous subject!
It's like, correct or wrong, there is really no personal interpretation involved.

It's definately the easiest subject for me...

[Volumnius Flush]

I've only lived with it for 20 years.

Oh. Didn't realize their were others out there... On MX...

That's not sensory processing disorder. That's sensory pragmatic disorder.

You must mean semantic pragmatic disorder. And no, I definitely know what I'm talking about here.

Mathematical language is precise to begin with, so that's a moot point.

Then you have a mild form of the disorder.


I figured as much. This is perhaps one reason I'm not a Xian.

But we are equal opportunity, it's just no women have came forth with groundbreaking concepts for Christian theology yet.

the virgin mary is considered the mother of the church

In Catholicism. Catholicism =/= Christianity. Completely different religion.

[1338 h4x0r]

But maths is such an unambiguous subject!
It's like, correct or wrong, there is really no personal interpretation involved.

It's definately the easiest subject for me...

There is some personal interpretation. For example, to prove that the complete graph K sub n has [n(n-1)]/2 edges, you can simply use n choose 2, for number of ways to choose two vertices from n, or you can use an argument which leaves out combinatorics altogether, concerning number of edge-ends. There are different perspectives on the more complex things in mathematics for sure, and even disagreement on a few.

[Iscariot]

In Catholicism. Catholicism =/= Christianity. Completely different religion.

catholicism is the true form of christianity

it is the oldest representation of the church and tbh i look down on denominations who consider themselves better representatives of the faith when their origins are so much younger

[Volumnius Flush]

catholicism is the true form of christianity

it is the oldest representation of the church and tbh i look down on denominations who consider themselves better representatives of the faith when their origins are so much younger

Catholicism is a false movement. Do I need to go into detail on the matter or do you just want to leave it at that?

It's like, correct or wrong, there is really no personal interpretation involved.


Try telling that to people who have been seeing new ways to solve problems for the past hundreds of years now.

[1338 h4x0r]

You must mean semantic pragmatic disorder. And no, I definitely know what I'm talking about here.

Yes, edited.

And no, you are wrong. Unless you can find medical literature that supports your assertion.


Then you have a mild form of the disorder.


No, it simply means that I don't suck at math.


But we are equal opportunity, it's just no women have came forth with groundbreaking concepts for Christian theology yet.


It could be that they've been disallowed.


In Catholicism. Catholicism =/= Christianity. Completely different religion.

:lol:

Extreme Protestant nutter ITT

Catholicism is a false movement. Do I need to go into detail on the matter or do you just want to leave it at that?

It's also the earliest form of Christianity. HAY OHHH

[Iscariot]

Catholicism is a false movement. Do I need to go into detail on the matter or do you just want to leave it at that?

i would love to hear you babble on like an idiot about how catholicism is somehow not the oldest representative of the christian faith i won't even have to prove you wrong you'll be doing it all on your own

[Chu]

Try telling that to people who have been seeing new ways to solve problems for the past hundreds of years now.
I don't think you quite understand what I'm saying.

Yes there are various ways you can come to the same results, I wasn't aligning that with personal interpretation though.

I meant in the sense of ambiguity, in English, there are multiple definitions of the verbal word "there\their\they're" for example, in maths, 2x2 has ONE precise definition. Understand what I'm getting at?

Yes there is personal interpretation involved on how to solve a problem, but at the same time, there is always going to be 1 real answer, or at least there is always definite proof on how you achieved your answer, and thus you can get more answers by means of relationship.

[1338 h4x0r]

I meant in the sense of ambiguity, in English, there are multiple definitions of the verbal word "there\their\they're" for example, in maths, 2x2 has ONE precise definition. Understand what I'm getting at?

Well, that's only homophones. A lot of other languages don't have that problem.

The ambiguity in language is that it's largely arbitrary. Why should the sounds that make 'hao', 'bon' or 'good' have the underlying meaning of, well, 'good'? Why do some languages have certain grammar rules and others don't? It's arbitrary, and makes words and rules hard to remember. Generally speaking, you can't derive additional rules from a basic rule in languages.

[Volumnius Flush]

Yes, edited.

And no, you are wrong. Unless you can find medical literature that supports your assertion.

There are some similarities in AS and Sensory Processing Disorder. I don't have to be any more specific then that. If you want to see how I am right, go look it up yourself. I am just the messenger.


It could be that they've been disallowed.


Not in a mainline Protestant church.

It's also the earliest form of Christianity. HAY OHHH

That is disputable.

I don't think you quite understand what I'm saying.

Yes there are various ways you can come to the same results, I wasn't aligning that with personal interpretation though.

I meant in the sense of ambiguity, in English, there are multiple definitions of the verbal word "there\their\they're" for example, in maths, 2x2 has ONE precise definition. Understand what I'm getting at?

Yes there is personal interpretation involved on how to solve a problem, but at the same time, there is always going to be 1 real answer, or at least there is always definite proof on how you achieved your answer, and thus you can get more answers by means of relationship.

What I'm saying is that there may be 10 ways to demonstrate how to solve a problem. People with AS have to hear it a specific way.

[1338 h4x0r]

There are some similarities in AS and Sensory Processing Disorder. I don't have to be any more specific then that. If you want to see how I am right, go look it up yourself. I am just the messenger.

Burden of proof is on you.

You were describing Semantic Pragmatic Disorder. The other SPD in question has NOTHING to do with learning disabilities.



Not in a mainline Protestant church.


Alright, it's not my area of expertise but overall it's a male-dominated religion.



That is disputable.

Again, burden of proof is on you.

What I'm saying is that there may be 10 ways to demonstrate how to solve a problem. People with AS have to hear it a specific way.

Not necessarily. For any mathematical problem, I'll usually have my own way of doing it (I tend to use proof by contradiction a lot), but I can look at different proofs for the same theorem and understand more than one of them. Granted, I often prefer one proof over the others, but so does everyone else AFAIK.

[Volumnius Flush]

Burden of proof is on you.

You were describing Semantic Pragmatic Disorder. The other SPD in question has NOTHING to do with learning disabilities.

Relation to other disorders:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensory_Processing_Disorder#Relation_to_other_diso rders


Alright, it's not my area of expertise but overall it's a male-dominated religion.

Women are to remain silent in the church. But outside of the church they are free to disseminate whatever theology they like.




Again, burden of proof is on you.

The early Christian church was pentecostal.

[Iscariot]

vf did you not actually intend to step up and disprove catholicism as the oldest representative of christianity because you seem to have backed down

also i would like to take a break in the action to say that warm beer is disgusting i am literally gagging over here

[1338 h4x0r]

Relation to other disorders:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensory_Processing_Disorder#Relation_to_other_diso rders


From the article:


Unusual responses to sensory stimuli are more common and prominent in autistic children, though there is no good evidence that sensory symptoms differentiate autism from other developmental disorders.[1] Differences are greater for under-responsivity (for example, walking into things) than for over-responsivity (for example, distress from loud noises) or for seeking (for example, rhythmic movements).[2] The responses may be more common in children: a pair of studies found that autistic children had impaired tactile perception while autistic adults did not.[3]

Says absolutely nothing about learning disabilities.

Now, consider the article on

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_Pragmatic_Disorder


Individuals with SPD have particular trouble understanding the meaning of what others are saying, and they are challenged to use language appropriately to get their needs met and interact with others.

Now that sounds more like the learning disability you were talking about.


Women are to remain silent in the church. But outside of the church they are free to disseminate whatever theology they like.

That's discriminatory, and an obvious hindrance. You're so misogynistic you don't even realize it.

And I don't consider myself a feminist by any stretch of the imagination, btw.

The early Christian church was pentecostal.

And your evidence for this claim is...?

[Volumnius Flush]

vf did you not actually intend to step up and disprove catholicism as the oldest representative of christianity because you seem to have backed down

I'll make a thread about it :)

[Volumnius Flush]

That's discriminatory, and an obvious hindrance. You're so misogynistic you don't even realize it.

Women speaking in the church is a disgrace according to the Scripture.

And your evidence for this claim is...?

It was founded at Pentecost. You have to understand Pentecostal tradition to see why the original Christian church was Pentecostal.

[Iscariot]

vf i don't know where you get your information from but pentecostalism is representative of the experience of god through baptism and baptism is traditionally a catholic experience as are the rights of pentacost which were originally performed by a priest

there are no priests outside of the catholic faith as the rights of anointing a priest are also a catholic tradition and representatives of the church in christian denominations are ministers because they are incapable of meeting the requirements for priesthood

[1338 h4x0r]

Women speaking in the church is a disgrace according to the Scripture.

Perhaps ... but it's also misogynistic no matter what Jay-zus says.


It was founded at Pentecost. You have to understand Pentecostal tradition to see why the original Christian church was Pentecostal.

Go on...

[Volumnius Flush]

vf i don't know where you get your information from but pentecostalism is representative of the experience of god through baptism and baptism is traditionally a catholic experience as are the rights of pentacost which were originally performed by a priest

there are no priests outside of the catholic faith as the rights of anointing a priest are also a catholic tradition and representatives of the church in christian denominations are ministers because they are incapable of meeting the requirements for priesthood

Priests are not even referred to in the Bible in the sense you are talking about. The proper term is "pastor".

Baptism was around years before the Catholic church. The first church was Pentecostal.

And how can you say that "representatives of the church in christian denominations are ministers because they are incapable of meeting the requirements for priesthood"? Priests are Catholic only and like I said, Catholicism is a false movement. Why would a Protestant want to be a priest anyway?

[1338 h4x0r]

Priests are not even referred to in the Bible in the sense you are talking about. The proper term is "pastor".

Baptism was around years before the Catholic church. The first church was Pentecostal.

And how can you say that "representatives of the church in christian denominations are ministers because they are incapable of meeting the requirements for priesthood"? Priests are Catholic only and like I said, Catholicism is a false movement. Why would a Protestant want to be a priest anyway?

I'm still waiting for evidence besides your say-so.

[Volumnius Flush]

I'm still waiting for evidence besides your say-so.

Evidence of what? Please be specific, I have AS.

[1338 h4x0r]

Mainly, that the first church was Pentecostal.

And remember: burden of proof is on you.

[Iscariot]

Priests are not even referred to in the Bible in the sense you are talking about. The proper term is "pastor".

the apostles of christ were the first ordained priests

Baptism was around years before the Catholic church. The first church was Pentecostal.

baptism is a foundation and cornerstone of the catholic church

And how can you say that "representatives of the church in christian denominations are ministers because they are incapable of meeting the requirements for priesthood"? Priests are Catholic only and like I said, Catholicism is a false movement. Why would a Protestant want to be a priest anyway?

because priests and the rights of priesthood are directly representative of the will of christ

[Volumnius Flush]

Mainly, that the first church was Pentecostal.

And remember: burden of proof is on you.

I will go into it in more detail tomorrow. I am having fun just posting tonight. But if you have any specific questions I would love to answer them but a full explanation I feel is inappropriate at this time as my attention is not completely focused on the issue at hand here.
the apostles of christ were the first ordained priests

They were apostles, not priests. There is a big difference. It would be like calling the VP of a company the Regional Director for the Eastern District of Texas. Big difference.



baptism is a foundation and cornerstone of the catholic church

Yeah and just about every other church... I don't see your point.

because priests and the rights of priesthood are directly representative of the will of christ

This is not a biblically sound doctrine.
And the burden is on you.

[Iscariot]

They were apostles, not priests. There is a big difference. It would be like calling the VP of a company the Regional Director for the Eastern District of Texas. Big difference.

they were ordained by christ at the last supper with his presentation of the eucharist

Yeah and just about every other church... I don't see your point.

christian denominations are not predecessors to the catholic faith which is not a denomination but the christian faith

This is not a biblically sound doctrine.
And the burden is on you.

actually the burden is on you to disprove me

"this is not a biblically sound doctrine" yeah that's nice prove it

[Volumnius Flush]

they were ordained by christ at the last supper with his presentation of the eucharist They were ordained as apostles. Again, show me this is the Bible. It's not there.



christian denominations are not predecessors to the catholic faith which is not a denomination but the christian faith


The Catholic church is the earliest organized religious institution. Not the earliest church.

"this is not a biblically sound doctrine" yeah that's nice prove it

You basically said that priesthood is representative of the Lord's will. Show me that in scripture...

[Reaganista]

this thread is about catholicism now?

wtf how does this happen

[Iscariot]

They were ordained as apostles. Again, show me this is the Bible. It's not there.

“Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it”

matthew 16:18

The Catholic church is the earliest organized religious institution. Not the earliest church.

and it was organized by christ

You basically said that priesthood is representative of the Lord's will. Show me that in scripture...

"Because he continues forever, has an everlasting priesthood."

hebrews 7:24

[Volumnius Flush]

“Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it”

This does not support your thesis. What it is actually trying to say is that Peter is the chief apostle and that he will be a forerunner to the early Christian church.


and it was organized by christ

The Pentecostal church was organized by Christ.

"Because he continues forever, has an everlasting priesthood."

hebrews 7:24

That was Paul and plus that was a term used synonymously with pastor. It in no way substantiates your claim.

[Iscariot]

This does not support your thesis. What it is actually trying to say is that Peter is the chief apostle and that he will be a forerunner to the early Christian church.

christ appointed peter as a leader of his church

the leaders of the church are priests as they embody the commandments of the lord and the word of christ


The Pentecostal church was organized by Christ.

prove it

That was Paul and plus that was a term used synonymously with pastor. It in no way substantiates your claim.

it's hardly synonymous with pastor

a priest lives the values commanded by god and preached by jesus, whereas a pastor shares the teachings of the bible while not accepting the burden of demonstration of faith commanded of priests of the church

[1338 h4x0r]

The Pentecostal church was organized by Christ.

Evidence plz

[Volumnius Flush]

christ appointed peter as a leader of his church

the leaders of the church are priests as they embody the commandments of the lord and the word of christ

The leader of the church is the chief apostle.


prove it

Why don't you prove your assertion that Christ founded the Catholic church?


it's hardly synonymous with pastor


Eph 4:11
And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

No mention of priests at all here. So we know Paul was not Catholic.

Evidence plz

I don;t have to give you evidence. Go look at the traditions of Pentecostals and Catholics and see which one more closely identifies with Christ's church.

[1338 h4x0r]

An English translation of a word in the Bible sure proves a lot

[Volumnius Flush]

An English translation of a word in the Bible sure proves a lot

Once again, I have AS and you have to be very specific with me or I won't get your point.

I think I get your point, although it is rather misinformed.

[1338 h4x0r]

Once again, I have AS and you have to be very specific with me or I won't get your point.

I think I get your point, although it is rather misinformed.

How can you conclude that use of the word 'priest' or 'pastor' in a modern English translation of the Bible reflects on what form of Christianity existed in the beginning

[Jude]

Women speaking in the church is a disgrace according to the Scripture.


That line was aimed at stamping out remnants of Dionysus worship which I don't think is much of a problem anymore.

Well, not OVERT Dionysus worship. And probably not in churches, that's the one sin Christians actually do seem to avoid

[1338 h4x0r]

What about the filthy pagan fertility goddess Ostara

[Volumnius Flush]

How can you conclude that use of the word 'priest' or 'pastor' in a modern English translation of the Bible reflects on what form of Christianity existed in the beginning

As Iscariot said earlier, priest reflects Catholicism, whereas pastor reflects non-Catholicism. The more proper biblical term is "pastor". So the Bible specifically refers to pastors and not priests as elements within the church. The "priesthood" refers to all pastors, not necessarily priests. So if the Catholic church from the time of its founding used the term priest, then that is one proof as to why Catholicism =/= Christianity. And also I believe from the beginning of their history they have practiced necromancing which is explicitly forbidden in the Torah. So I would speculate that perhaps the Catholic church did not base their doctrine on the Torah, but what they would have I really don't know since the New Testament was virtually unwritten at the time.

[1338 h4x0r]

What are the etymologies of 'priest' and 'pastor'? Which Greek or Aramaic words are they related to? By removing these words from their historical context, you've made a very weak case.

And how do Catholics practice necromancy? I would become a practicing Catholic if I really believed that.

[Iscariot]

wait necromancy what

now you're just making things up

not that you weren't already but this is just absolutely ridiculous

i don't think i can take you at all seriously anymore

[Volumnius Flush]

What are the etymologies of 'priest' and 'pastor'? Which Greek or Aramaic words are they related to? By removing these words from their historical context, you've made a very weak case.

And how do Catholics practice necromancy? I would become a practicing Catholic if I really believed that.

The key to necromancy is it includes "communication with the dead" and at times is a form of divination. The only requirement for necromancy is communication with the dead, not divination.

So then if you know what beatification is...

And I am not familiar with the Greek language which is what it was written in.

[Iscariot]

um no we don't communicate with the dead who the hell told you that

[Volumnius Flush]

um no we don't communicate with the dead who the hell told you that

Go read the Rosary.

[Iscariot]

Go read the Rosary.

wait you have completely lost me now how is praying the rosary communicating with the dead

do you not pray is that not part of the pentacostal "faith"

[1338 h4x0r]

And I am not familiar with the Greek language which is what it was written in.

The whole 'priest'/'pastor' argument falls apart then.

I found out that 'priest' in particular is from an Old English word

[Volumnius Flush]

wait you have completely lost me now how is praying the rosary communicating with the dead

do you not pray is that not part of the pentacostal "faith"

HAIL MARY, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.

[1338 h4x0r]

So?

[Iscariot]

HAIL MARY, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.

explain in complete detail with supporting information how this is communicating with the dead because you are just grabbing at straws now as far as i can tell

the hail mary is respectful of the mother of christ, the mother of our god on earth

we aren't "communicating with the dead" i mean holy **** where do you even draw these ideas from except the depths of your hellbent ***

mary gave us god on earth, she deserves to be included in our daily prayers

do you pray for the sanctity and salvation of dead relatives?

i guess that would mean you are communicating with the dead too i mean what the hell are you even talking about anymore

[Volumnius Flush]

do you pray for the sanctity and salvation of dead relatives?

If you pray to Mary, or any saint, you are a necromancer.

And I do not believe in intercessory prayer for the departed.

[Iscariot]

rofl this is too funny

[Volumnius Flush]

rofl this is too funny

You apparently do not know the meaning of beatification, otherwise you wouldn't argue with me on this. :)

[Iscariot]

you obviously don't know what a true christian is otherwise you wouldn't be a pentacostal :)

[Volumnius Flush]

you obviously don't know what a true christian is otherwise you wouldn't be a pentacostal :)

Then tell me what a true Christian is. A psychotic person who couldn't even hold a job in the military who makes death threats against fellow human beings?

[Iscariot]

have you ever left your parents' basement?

[Volumnius Flush]

have you ever left your parents' basement?

We don't have basements in Texas, fyi. And yes, I have had two places of my own. I currently live alone.

[dinosaurxbrocore]

The bible was written about 2000 thousand years ago

[Volumnius Flush]

The bible was written about 2000 thousand years ago

Well a little less than half was, but the rest was written 2400-3500+ years ago.

[dinosaurxbrocore]

a million

[JohnXDoesn't]

Women: In The White House Where They Belong


/vice prez plz :)

[Danish]

The concept that women are natural subordinate to men is, frankly, outrageous.

[JohnXDoesn't]

unless you're doing 'em in the butt, then yeah they are. and usually anytime in teh bed, yeah its a good thing they are

so fundamentally, sure. get under me bitch

[JohnXDoesn't]

danish why did you neg me for the piece of truth above? are not women "subordinate" in bed? yes they are

is this not a "natural" place to be? in a position of sexual intercourse with someone you may care about or otherwise? yes it is. it is the most natural way to be with the human race imaginable. and in the missionary position, the accepted most "natural" way for a man and woman to have intercourse (i like it myself) the woman is clearly naturally subordinate

you may not like the way i said it, but it wasn't "horrible" and its fundamentally true. and sometimes yeah, you can call a woman a "dirty bitch" and she'll scream for more. nothing wrong with it.

[Reaganista]

you're an idiot

[JohnXDoesn't]

no u

go have some sex...some real sex...then call me an idiot

dumbass

[Reaganista]

no i can tell that you're an idiot without further investigation

[gmoneyguy]

Feeding into ridiculous concepts does not make them true. Women are not subordinate to men in bed or otherwise.

[JohnXDoesn't]

sure they are guitrguy. in the classroom, politically, and socially we may think and learn otherwise. and yes lots of factors come into play.

however things of nature cannot be denied. i will not compare us directly with animal species, but yes, we have a natural order to things. in this order women are indeed...how should i say...not inferior to...but beneath the male sex in many fundamental ways.

and they tend to like it like that. some., more or less. but even the most powerful, stand up, intelligent woman wants HER man to be....capable, strong, secure, and yes...she wants to be protected.

its nature, can't be denied. no matter what we learn or how elevated we think we are.

no i can tell that you're an idiot without further investigation
k

[Reaganista]

of course it can be denied seeing as it's not at all true

and there isnt anything necessarily subordinate about being the receptive partner

[gmoneyguy]

sure they are guitrguy. in the classroom, politically, and socially we may think and learn otherwise. and yes lots of factors come into play.
like?
however things of nature cannot be denied. i will not compare us directly with animal species, but yes, we have a natural order to things. in this order women or indeed...how should i say...not inferior to...but beneath the male sex in many fundamental ways.
How are they beneath? The can do everything a male can within the scope of every day life. Sure they can't be huge like some bodybuilders, but that still doesn't make them beneath a male. Them being different jsut means they are different, not worse not better.
and they tend to like it like that. some., more or less. but even the most powerful, stand up, intelligent woman wants HER man to be....capable, strong, secure, and yes...she wants to be protected.
I'm sure women love being held to an inferior status to men.

its nature, can't be denied. no matter what we learn or how elevated we think we are.
its not nature, you are taking a concept which is interpreted after the fact. values such as gender roles do not exist without a mind to think it up.

[JohnXDoesn't]

of course it can be denied seeing as it's not at all true

and there isnt anything necessarily subordinate about being the receptive partner
dude, of course its true. i'm talking about funamentals here.

women are by nature physically weaker then men. will you deny this? in bed MEN take the lead and women like that. its natural. are they aggressive, too? sure? are men passive? yes? but those are roles, not nature. men are dominant...women by and large like dominant men. because its something they can't be themselves over a man. so they choose a dominant male to protect them.

or what they consider dominant. because we are human. we think, so variables come into play

but we are not equal. and its my way of thinking the species show their true colors in nature (because my initial response itt was to danish saying women are not "naturally subordinate') while engaged in sexual intercourse and relationships with one another. it is as "natural" as we can be.

so imo (and the opinion of others i imagine) women are "naturally subordinate" to men, yes. nothing wrong with it. anything else is simply of the intellect. fine, but i don't know many women who want a wimpy a$$ girly man next to her in bed. thats nature.

and the reason Steve hasn't gotten laid yet :'( :p

[Danish]

Gender isn't natural; it's socially constructed.

Your arguments are based on gross, flawed generalizations.

[Reaganista]

dude, of course its true. i'm talking about funamentals here.

women are by nature physically weaker then men. will you deny this?

some women are weaker than some men

some men are weaker than some men

in bed MEN take the lead and women like that. its natural. are they aggressive, too? sure? are men passive? yes? but those are roles, not nature.
that's a bullshit arbitrary distinction everything we do is a learned role


men are dominant...women by and large like dominant men. because its something they can't be themselves over a man. so they choose a dominant male to protect them.

every woman does not **** only bodybuilders


or what they consider dominant. because we are human. we think, so variables come into play

like cases where they want to be dominant you mean
o ok

but we are not equal. and its my way of thinking the species show their true colors in nature (because my initial response itt was to danish saying women are not "naturally subordinate') while engaged in sexual intercourse and relationships with one another. it is as "natural" as we can be.

no there's not really anything natural about our modern mating and recreational sex rituals and roles they are all highly constructed


so imo (and the opinion of others i imagine) women are "naturally subordinate" to men, yes. nothing wrong with it. anything else is simply of the intellect. fine, but i don't know many women who want a wimpy *** girly man next to her in bed. thats nature.

and the reason Steve hasn't gotten laid yet :'( :p
no it's not nature you retard in nature they would just get ****ing raped wtf

[JohnXDoesn't]

like?

How are they beneath? The can do everything a male can within the scope of every day life. Sure they can't be huge like some bodybuilders, but that still doesn't make them beneath a male. Them being different jsut means they are different, not worse not better.

I'm sure women love being held to an inferior status to men.


its not nature, you are taking a concept which is interpreted after the fact. values such as gender roles do not exist without a mind to think it up.
well, don't let my "beneath" choice of words throw you. i did not mean to suggest "inferior" in a fundamental "we are all human and equal" way. although clearly we are not. to believe so serves no one, either. because its really not true. just take a good look around if you think it is

i value women and their role, whatever that is, as much as anyone. and yes i agree, it makes them different...no better or worse. i just don't think being "subordinate" is any worse or less. just the way things are and how they work in nature for the better. it brings order imo.

and again, i don't think being "beneath" or "under" or "subordinate" or "dutiful" somehow to a man in natural relationships and order is "inferior" or somehow putting women down. i'm just saying it exisits and i believe it exists in nature, if not in intellect. which is what we THINK as opposed to what actually is by nature and instinct.

and you are right, gender ROLES do not exist without a mind to think them up. but what gender makes us to one another and ourselves in nature outside of thought up roles is pretty obvious. and that is man is shall we say...not equal to woman....all things being equal. one is and has to be dominant. and clearly in nature, it is obvious which sex is and which sex isn't.

dominant, that is. and thats ok imo.


Gender isn't natural; it's socially constructed.
how is the sex you are born as "socially constructed?"

[Reaganista]

this is like me training 10 dogs to bark on command finding that 8 pick up the training and then declaring it natural that dogs bark when you tell them to

[gmoneyguy]

well, don't let my "beneath" choice of words throw you. i did not mean to suggest "inferior" in a fundamental "we are all human and equal" way. although clearly we are not. to believe so serves no one, either. because its really not true. just take a good look around if you think it isbeneath means inferior.

i value women and their role, whatever that is, as much as anyone. and yes i agree, it makes them different...no better or worse. i just don't think being "subordinate" is any worde or less. just the way things are and how they work in nature for the better. it brings order imo. what? what order?

and again, i don't think being "beneath" or "under" or "subordinate" or "dutiful" somehow to a man in natural relationships and order is "inferior" or somehow putting women down. i'm just saying it exisits and i believe it exists in nature, if not in intellect. which is what we THINK as opposed to what actually is by nature and instinct. um a woman does not have to be dutiful to man, there are cultures that have had gender roles reverse. That in itself destroys your natural assertion.

and you are right, gender ROLES do not exist without a mind to think them up. but what gender makes us to one another and ourselves in nature outside of thought up roles is pretty obvious. and that is man is shall we say...not equal to woman....all things being equal. one is and has to be dominant. and clearly in nature, it is obvious which sex is and which sex isn't.

dominant, that is. and thats ok imo.
dominance is though up too. There is no valid reason for men to dominate women.


how is the sex you are born as "socially constructed?"

the roles they play are

[stevensonmat2]

madey i bet you are great in bed

my gf is a very intelligent and independent, but in bed she loves to be tied up and spanked and basically dominated.

[Reaganista]

lol that's hilarious

[JohnXDoesn't]

beneath means inferior.

what? what order?
um a woman does not have to be dutiful to man, there are cultures that have had gender roles reverse. That in itself destroys your natural assertion.


dominance is though up too. There is no valid reason for men to dominate women.




the roles they play are
so basically what you are suggesting is sex...what you were born as, the fact you are probably physically stronger and better equipped to survive in a natural world where women give birth to children and these children and physically weaker women need protection...what you are saying is...they can do it themselves? men, as we are...are no longer needed?

that men do not have to take the lead in society...or more importantly, in relationships.

to be more crude about it we should just chop off our dicks and declare a woman somehow completely equal in nature to us? maybe she can pump her own sperm into her womb, too.

this is basically what i should believe and think?

i don't think even most women would agree.

why must we be equal? we clearly aren't and yeah, one sex has to be over the other. it...just...is

reality. biology. common sense

it has nothing to do with traditional "roles." but traditional roles have a lot to do with it...because there are good reasons in nature for those roles.

[JohnXDoesn't]

madey i bet you are great in bed

my gf is a very intelligent and independent, but in bed she loves to be tied up and spanked and basically dominated.
of course she does :smoke:

[gmoneyguy]

so basically what you are suggesting is sex...what you were born as, the fact you are probably physically stronger and better equipped to survive in a natural world where women give birth to children and these children and physically weaker women need protection...what you are saying is...they can do it themselves? men, as we are...are no longer needed? Men are need to carry sperm and that's it.

that men do not have to take the lead in society...or more importantly, in relationships.

to be more crude about it we should just chop off our dicks and declare a woman somehow completely equal in nature to us? maybe she can pump her own sperm into her womb, too.

this is basically what i should believe and think?
You can believe think what you want, but it doesn't make them realistic or true beliefs.
i don't think even most women would agree.

why must we be equal? we clearly aren't and yeah, one sex has to be over the other. it...just...isYou know that's not proof or support of anything. That statement, if anything says you don't know what you are talking about.

reality. biology. common sense

it has nothing to do with traditional "roles." but traditional roles have a lot to do with it...because there are good reasons in nature for those roles.
what are these reasons?

[JohnXDoesn't]

well, its been nice and i want to continue but work calls soon

i just want to be clear that my statements were simply based on Danish's simple comment that women are not "naturally subordinate" to men.

i understand their is opinion and argument in science and otherwise which goes both ways about this. and i'm prolly out of my depth here. but my understanding of "nature" between man and woman is sex....both the kind that is fun and what you were born as. and in that sense (nature) however subtle it might seem sometimes, i clearly view the male as dominant.

my view has NOTHING to do with TS's initial post (which i just read) about doing dishes, staying home, and being all slave like to the male. i am not with that, i like a strong, independent woman, too

as long as she knows i like being on top and doesn't come to bed with a strap on :(

later dudes...its been nice....

[Danish]

my gf is a very intelligent and independent, but in bed she loves to be tied up and spanked and basically dominated.

She sounds like me!

[gmoneyguy]

She sounds like me!

There is a reason why I chose you as my life partner.

[Danish]

There is a reason why I chose you as my life partner.

Sorry, I have standards :smoke:

[gmoneyguy]

That's cold man, that's real cold.

[Dr Hooch]

rofl this is too funny

The hilarious thing is you've little more basis for what you say than he does


he simply doesn't understand the meaning of words


Anyway you're a catholic tell me this

what's the deal with the whole "doing everything in latin"

did jesus speak latin?

Or does your church just refuse to change ever

[BridgeToSolace]

If you pray to Mary, or any saint, you are a necromancer.

Is communication necessary for necromancy, or is it just talking to the dead?

Because I talk to my cat all the time. I'm not communicating with it, however.

Am I committing felinancy?

-

JohnXDoe, gender and sex are two different things.

Sex is your physical make-up. Gender is the social role you play.

Although gender is commonly used interchangeably with sex, within the social sciences it often refers to specifically social differences, known as gender roles in the biological sciences.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender

So technically someone who is physically male can have a female gender, because gender is a social construct.

Really, does no one look this **** up?

[Jude]

How is missionary the natural position

Are you aware that lots of cultures favor the squatting or doggy style or other positions and find missionary weird and laughable which is how it got the name

[Dr Hooch]

In fact the clue is in the name missionary was a thing the christians spread and they're sexist

so...

[Jude]

In fact the clue is in the name missionary was a thing the christians spread and they're sexist

so...

Actually I was making the point that missionary is far from being the universal sex position but whereever you want to go with that

Edit: And probably not more sexist than any other culture at the time, pretty much everybody treated women like ****

[Danish]

JohnXDoe, gender and sex are two different things.

Sex is your physical make-up. Gender is the social role you play.

Although gender is commonly used interchangeably with sex, within the social sciences it often refers to specifically social differences, known as gender roles in the biological sciences.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender

So technically someone who is physically male can have a female gender, because gender is a social construct.

Really, does no one look this **** up?

I doubted his ability to understand...

[Iscariot]

The hilarious thing is you've little more basis for what you say than he does


he simply doesn't understand the meaning of words


Anyway you're a catholic tell me this

what's the deal with the whole "doing everything in latin"

did jesus speak latin?

Or does your church just refuse to change ever

because western catholic churches are part of the latin rite and at the time of the latin rites inception latin was the primary language of communication and education in north africa and europe

eastern catholic churches perform their ceremonies in the languages of their locale

[gmoneyguy]

Catholic churches perform sermons in local languages because of Vatican II.

[Iscariot]

Vatican II.

cruise control

sorry it had to be said

[JohnXDoesn't]

I doubted his ability to understand...
i already said i was prolly out of my depth here

low, low blow

i get to have an opinion as well as you. you can show me all the "facts" you want.

[Shell]

Hi John!

[JohnXDoesn't]

hey Shell. you would be subordinate for me, right?

<3 :D


gotta go to work, sry. bb in a few

[Shell]

insubordinate? of course!

[Dave de Sylvia]

John, I mean this in the nicest way possible, but women are intellectually dominant over you. Seriously, like, all of them.

[JohnXDoesn't]

thats fine

but i still wear the pants in the family...no matter IQ's
insubordinate? of course!
no get it right plz i'm on the ropes here

[Iskandar]

Anyway you're a catholic tell me this

what's the deal with the whole "doing everything in latin"

did jesus speak latin?

Or does your church just refuse to change everDing ding ding.

[JohnXDoesn't]

itt

men who are JUST LIKE women

and women who are JUST LIKE men :(

[Shell]

thats fine

but i still wear the pants in the family...no matter IQ's

no get it right plz i'm on the ropes here

nice edit :p
you never talk to me anymore :(

[beso negro]

Is communication necessary for necromancy, or is it just talking to the dead?

Because I talk to my cat all the time. I'm not communicating with it, however.

Am I committing felinancy?

-

JohnXDoe, gender and sex are two different things.

Sex is your physical make-up. Gender is the social role you play.

Although gender is commonly used interchangeably with sex, within the social sciences it often refers to specifically social differences, known as gender roles in the biological sciences.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender

So technically someone who is physically male can have a female gender, because gender is a social construct.

Really, does no one look this **** up?

as if anyone really cares what the difference is

[JohnXDoesn't]

nice edit :p
you never talk to me anymore :(
i'm always so busy lately i know its been bad but summer is here and things might change soon so hopefully i'll have more time in the evenings

if you don't mind talking to a dominant male such as myself :(

[Iskandar]

as if anyone really cares what the difference isTranssexuals.

[JohnXDoesn't]

oh yeah i forgot about them

i think Danish and SOP should call the surgeons soon

sounds like a perfect set up for them

to name just a couple

[Volumnius Flush]

oh yeah i forgot about them

i think Danish and SOP should call the surgeons soon

sounds like a perfect set up for them

to name just a couple

Who is SOP?

[BridgeToSolace]

as if anyone really cares what the difference is

It's an important distinction in the context of the discussion.

[dinosaurxbrocore]

when will people realize theres a difference between sex and genetic sex?

[1338 h4x0r]

<33

[JohnXDoesn't]

ok i am forced no to use my NEG rep!

goddamn a holes abusing their internet powerz the wrath of the ALPHA MALE will now DOMINATE :smash:
Who is SOP?
oh haha Spat Out Plath / Dave / Spat Out Sexy Men

he's a cool dude in spandex and a feather boa ala Hanoi Rocks, etc...prolly raids his girlfriends closet. which is fine...just sayin his opinion on the matter may be a bit...skewered

[1338 h4x0r]

don't taze me bro

[JohnXDoesn't]

apparently two posters do not agree males are sexually dominant. apparently to have that opinion is WRONG, worthy of messages such as "holy shi.t stfu!" (from someone who considers themselves a "free thinker" apparently lol) and a "horrible" from Danish. who might in fact be a girl idk

it hurts my sensitive male ego :(

[Volumnius Flush]

ok i am forced no to use my NEG rep!

goddamn a holes abusing their internet powerz the wrath of the ALPHA MALE will now DOMINATE :smash:

oh haha Spat Out Plath / Dave / Spat Out Sexy Men

he's a cool dude in spandex and a feather boa ala Hanoi Rocks, etc...prolly raids his girlfriends closet. which is fine...just sayin his opinion the matter may be a bit...skewered

I notice you are MX Girly Man. Not to change the subject but what percentage of MX is female? like 0.7%? :lol:

[1338 h4x0r]

apparently two posters do not agree males are sexually dominant. apparently to have that opinion is WRONG, worthy of messages such as "holy shi.t stfu!" (from someone who considers themselves a "free thinker" apparently lol) and a "horrible" from Danish. who might in fact be a girl idk

it hurts my sensitive male ego :(

If Danish is in fact both a) Danish and b) female, I need to find out as soon as possible.

[Volumnius Flush]

If Danish is in fact both a) Danish and b) female, I need to find out as soon as possible.

I think he's Canadian and a guy.

[1338 h4x0r]

Sådant vil jeg ikke ha

Sådant står mig ikke bra!

[JohnXDoesn't]

I notice you are MX Girly Man. Not to change the subject but what percentage of MX is female? like 0.7%? :lol:
idk in the past few weeks i have seen boob and butt photos of supposed MX girls but i think they may have just been some pics of some dudes itt now :(

so 0.7% might be a little high

[Volumnius Flush]

Sådant vil jeg ikke ha

Sådant står mig ikke bra!

I can't read a word of that.

[1338 h4x0r]

I can't read a word of that.

"I don't want that! That doesn't suit me!"

[Iscariot]

yo no soy marinero!

[1338 h4x0r]

you're not a marine?