New Political Compass Thread

[Aaron]

Thought I'd bring back a past talking-point: http://www.politicalcompass.org/. Answer the quiz and post your results, and who you're most like. Ask people questions of their results if you want. Please don't copypasta your old results in, as they change over time...

Eg; mine:
Economic Left/Right: -4.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.26
Most like: Half-way between Ghandi & Pope Benedict XIV



The old thread:
http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=526560&highlight=political+compass

[Smokey D]

I thought about remaking this. I've shifted imperceptibly closer to the right economically and significantly down socially so I'm now something like -1.05 left and -5 libertarian. I think it was because I was more hesitant to answer strongly agree.

[siva_chair]

Every time I take this thing I get a different score. I hate the ambiguous questions.

My score is pretty much the same as Smokey's except I go a little further right economically.

[Smokey D]

Also, I don't like how they rank political parties because I know for a fact I'm much more likely to agree with Labour than my score would indicate. We are obviously not subjected to the same questions and it's misleading to put us on the same scale.

[spitfirejunky]

The way some of these questions are phrased still bothers me.

Economic Left/Right: -2.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.72

[siva_chair]

Also, I don't like how they rank political parties because I know for a fact I'm much more likely to agree with Labour than my score would indicate. We are obviously not subjected to the same questions and it's misleading to put us on the same scale.

Exactly.

Plus I don't think the quiz is really in-depth enough to determine that score very accurately. A lot of issues that it doesn't even cover could dramatically sway the results.

[griftadan]

i think we can all agree that a two dimensional scale is completely worthless, from now on everyone needs to put detailed opinions about the issues in each and every post

[dei]

Economic Left/Right: -7.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.72

My score is way down and to the left but I've actually moved up and to the right some since the last time I took the test. Both were about -8.88, if I remember correctly.

:)

[beso negro]

Economic Left/Right: 4.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.92

i'm fiscally conservative/socially liberal well no ****.




some questions i didn't understand though were these:

"from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" is a fundamentally good idea.

wtf

the rich are too highly taxed.

doesn't make sense. it should be:

Should the rich be highly taxed?

then i would say strongly disagree

[Russell]

Economic Left/Right: -5.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.33

[mph4ever]

Economic Left/Right: -5.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.13

first time i've ever taken it and answered as honestly as possible without reading the thread.

[peeted]

wow i have shifted a fair bit it seems
Economic Left/Right: -7.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.92

my old score was Economic Left/Right: -10.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.62

[Russell]

My old score.

Economic Left/Right: 3.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.85

[Mr. Ron]

Economic Left/Right: -5.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.21

[MAthiAS]

Economic Left/Right: -9.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.31

I've gotten more authoritarian, w/e.

some questions i didn't understand though were these:

"from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" is a fundamentally good idea.

wtf

the rich are too highly taxed.

doesn't make sense. it should be:

Should the rich be highly taxed?

then i would say strongly disagree
Of all the things to 'not get' on that test you chose those two questions? Wtf?

[dei]

I don't like the question about women having careers.

[Der Übermensch]

Man... I've always hated this one: "a significant advantage of a one-party state is that it avoids all the arguments that delay progress in a democratic political system."
Yes, it is a true statement - one-party system means no arguing, so I want to hit agree... but that doesn't mean I agree with a one party system...

Hmm.. -5, -6... I really should be more like more like 0, -10... goddamn ambiguous questions...

[dei]

Capitalist pigdog.

[Iskandar]

-5, -6.

[Volumnius Flush]

Economic Left/Right: 0.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.87

I'm moving more to the left!! Eek!

[Iskandar]

For some reason, this test is fairly accurate for left-wingers or libertarians and stuff but not for neo-cons. It puts Steve near the center, for one thing.

[dei]

Iskandar, you are supposed to be more lefter than me but you are not!

[Iskandar]

Dammit, I'm not a commie.

[beso negro]

Of all the things to 'not get' on that test you chose those two questions? Wtf?

The quote doesn't make sense to me. I think it's from Marx though so I probably strongly disagree.

the thing about "Are the rich taxed too much" is a faulty question to me. Let's say that right now I don't agree that the rich taxed too much, but what happens if taxation changes? Then I may have to change my answer.

[dei]

You should be.

[Iskandar]

The rich are not taxed enough. There you go, I answered it for you.:)

[Against Miik!]

Economic Left/Right: -5.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.41

Closest to Gandhi

Thats the farthest from the center I've ever scored

This test sucks though, because with some of the questions, I don't really know how they score them. Like for the question "a significant advantage of a one-party state is that it avoids all the arguments that delay progress in a democratic political system"...umm yeah, thats completely obvious, and me saying I strongly agree with that does not make me a fascist.

[Iskandar]

I thought you were a liberaltarian, Miik?

[DekWannaBFlea]

Economic Left/Right: -4.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.82

I moved a point to the Right and half a point to the Libertarian.

[Against Miik!]

I am, sort of. Not to the point where I write off everything else though. Thats why this test doesn't work for me. The reason I'm on the economic left is because I am against big business and I don't believe that a free market necessarily has to result in a free population. I said I disagreed with the statement, the freer the market the freer the people.

I would love a free market system, done properly. That is not what we have now. Hell, a communist system run properly wouldn't be so bad either, but nobody has ever had that.

[Iskandar]

:):)

[TheDMV]

Ec: -7.5
Soc: -8.04

For me, the delays avoided by a one party state aren't really an advantage. It implies no checks and balances, democracy etc. I guess I'm spinning the question to reflect my veiws but the test certainly isn't perfect.

[dei]

:):)

Why are you smiling? Is it because you agree that a communist system would be nice? WTF, commie!

[Mr. Ron]

-5, -6.

\m/

[dei]

-5,-6. Isn't that like approaching Nazi territory?

[Mr. Ron]

nah

[dei]

Well, relative to my compass coordinates you are more authoritarian and further to the right on the economic scale, and I am right on the center point, so like you have to be a Nazi.

[Iskandar]

-5,-6. Isn't that like approaching Nazi territory?National Socialists. Yeah. That's what I thought.

Ron Paul 08

[Mr. Ron]

Well, relative to my compass coordinates you are more authoritarian and further to the right on the economic scale, and I am right on the center point, so like you have to be a Nazi.

my score is the score of a no good tree hugging libruulll

[dei]

****.

****!

[Iskandar]

Lie-beral

[Mr. Ron]

omg the truth finally comes out

[Volumnius Flush]

For some reason, this test is fairly accurate for left-wingers or libertarians and stuff but not for neo-cons. It puts Steve near the center, for one thing.

Don't forget about me. I am a raving fringe right-wing madman!

[Reaganista]

For some reason, this test is fairly accurate for left-wingers or libertarians and stuff but not for neo-cons. It puts Steve near the center, for one thing.
maybe he lies try answering the question as his mx persona would and see wat you get maybe

[italic zero]

Economic Left/Right: -4.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.85

I think I'm maybe a little more conservative on both, don't remember.

[Iskandar]

maybe he lies try answering the question as his mx persona would and see wat you get maybeSlightly to the right of Mussolini

[italic zero]

maybe he lies try answering the question as his mx persona would and see wat you get maybe
Here's the result

Economic Left/Right: 4.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 6.10

[Iskandar]

That seems accurate.

[Aaron]

So what does mine mean exactly:

Economic Left/Right: -4.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.26

[beso negro]

i'm still the most right, economically.

[Hababi]

Economic Left/Right: -1.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.82

Once again, it shows I am the most centrist person on here :D

[Reaganista]

So what does mine mean exactly:

Economic Left/Right: -4.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.26

it means you suck

Economic Left/Right: -1.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.82

Once again, it shows I am the most centrist person on here
we scientifically proved that u lie

[Hababi]

we scientifically proved that u lie

ok well how do you think I answered?

[beso negro]

post what you answered question by question.

i'm very surprised that u are more left than me.

[Reaganista]

ok well how do you think I answered?
u answered with lies

[Aaron]

it means you suck

How about a sensible answer?

[Hababi]

someone copy the questions n here and I'll answer as I did

I'm too lazy to go through and do it myself :p

[Hababi]

Oh and keep in mind that some of the things that receive the most attention on here--eg support of Israel vs. anti-Jewish bigots like Jude, are not truly tied to a political spectrum location. There are very liberal supporters of Israel (Joe Lieberman) and very conservative ones (Jeff Sessions). There are very liberal opponents (bigots against) Israel (Jude), and very conservative ones (Pat Buchanan).

[beso negro]

If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations.



i'd always support my country, whether it was right or wrong.



no one chooses his or her country of birth, so it's foolish to be proud of it.



our race has many superior qualities, compared with other races.



the enemy of my enemy is my friend.



military action that defies international law is sometimes justified.



there is now a worrying fusion of information and entertainment.




people are ultimately divided more by class than by nationality.



controlling inflation is more important than controlling unemployment.



because corporations cannot be trusted to voluntarily protect the environment, they require regulation.



"from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" is a fundamentally good idea.



it's a sad reflection on our society that something as basic as drinking water is now a bottled, branded consumer product.



land shouldn't be a commodity to be bought and sold.



it is regrettable that many personal fortunes are made by people who simply manipulate money and contribute nothing to their society.



protectionism is sometimes necessary in trade.



the only social responsibility of a company should be to deliver a profit to its shareholders.



the rich are too highly taxed.



those with the ability to pay should have the right to higher standards of medical care .



governments should penalise businesses that mislead the public.



a genuine free market requires restrictions on the ability of predator multinationals to create monopolies.



the freer the market, the freer the people.




abortion, when the woman's life is not threatened, should always be illegal.



all authority should be questioned.



an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.



taxpayers should not be expected to prop up any theatres or museums that cannot survive on a commercial basis.



schools should not make classroom attendance compulsory.



all people have their rights, but it is better for all of us that different sorts of people should keep to their own kind.



good parents sometimes have to spank their children.



it's natural for children to keep some secrets from their parents.



possessing marijuana for personal use should not be a criminal offence.



the prime function of schooling should be to equip the future generation to find jobs.



people with serious inheritable disabilities should not be allowed to reproduce.



the most important thing for children to learn is to accept discipline.



there are no savage and civilised peoples; there are only different cultures.



those who are able to work, and refuse the opportunity, should not expect society's support.



when you are troubled, it's better not to think about it, but to keep busy with more cheerful things.



first-generation immigrants can never be fully integrated within their new country.



what's good for the most successful corporations is always, ultimately, good for all of us.



no broadcasting institution, however independent its content, should receive public funding.




our civil liberties are being excessively curbed in the name of counter-terrorism.



a significant advantage of a one-party state is that it avoids all the arguments that delay progress in a democratic political system.



although the electronic age makes official surveillance easier, only wrongdoers need to be worried.



the death penalty should be an option for the most serious crimes.



in a civilised society, one must always have people above to be obeyed and people below to be commanded.



abstract art that doesn't represent anything shouldn't be considered art at all.



in criminal justice, punishment should be more important than rehabilitation.



it is a waste of time to try to rehabilitate some criminals.



the businessperson and the manufacturer are more important than the writer and the artist.



mothers may have careers, but their first duty is to be homemakers.



multinational companies are unethically exploiting the plant genetic resources of developing countries.



making peace with the establishment is an important aspect of maturity.




astrology accurately explains many things.



you cannot be moral without being religious.



charity is better than social security as a means of helping the genuinely disadvantaged.



some people are naturally unlucky.



it is important that my child's school instills religious values.




sex outside marriage is usually immoral.



a same sex couple in a stable, loving relationship, should not be excluded from the possibility of child adoption.



pornography, depicting consenting adults, should be legal for the adult population.



what goes on in a private bedroom between consenting adults is no business of the state.



no one can feel naturally homosexual.

these days openness about sex has gone too far.

[Volumnius Flush]

it means you suck


we scientifically proved that u lie

And I'm actually more centrist than that, according to the test.

[Hababi]

If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations.

Agree



i'd always support my country, whether it was right or wrong.

Disagree


no one chooses his or her country of birth, so it's foolish to be proud of it.

Agree



our race has many superior qualities, compared with other races.

Strongly disagree




the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Disagree




military action that defies international law is sometimes justified.

Agree



there is now a worrying fusion of information and entertainment.
Agree





people are ultimately divided more by class than by nationality.
Disagree




controlling inflation is more important than controlling unemployment.

Agree



because corporations cannot be trusted to voluntarily protect the environment, they require regulation.

Agree



"from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" is a fundamentally good idea.

Disagree




it's a sad reflection on our society that something as basic as drinking water is now a bottled, branded consumer product.

Agree


land shouldn't be a commodity to be bought and sold.

Strongly disagree


it is regrettable that many personal fortunes are made by people who simply manipulate money and contribute nothing to their society.

Disagree





protectionism is sometimes necessary in trade.

Strongly disagree


the only social responsibility of a company should be to deliver a profit to its shareholders.

Disagree



the rich are too highly taxed.

Disagree


those with the ability to pay should have the right to higher standards of medical care .

Strongly disagree



governments should penalise businesses that mislead the public.
Agree



a genuine free market requires restrictions on the ability of predator multinationals to create monopolies.

Disagree


the freer the market, the freer the people.

Agree



abortion, when the woman's life is not threatened, should always be illegal.

Strongly agree


all authority should be questioned.

Disagree


an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

Disagree



taxpayers should not be expected to prop up any theatres or museums that cannot survive on a commercial basis.

Disagree




schools should not make classroom attendance compulsory.
Disagree




all people have their rights, but it is better for all of us that different sorts of people should keep to their own kind.

Strongly disagree



good parents sometimes have to spank their children.

Agree



it's natural for children to keep some secrets from their parents.
Disagree




possessing marijuana for personal use should not be a criminal offence.

Agree



the prime function of schooling should be to equip the future generation to find jobs.

Disagree



people with serious inheritable disabilities should not be allowed to reproduce.

Disagree


the most important thing for children to learn is to accept discipline.

Agree




there are no savage and civilised peoples; there are only different cultures.

Disagree



those who are able to work, and refuse the opportunity, should not expect society's support.

Agree



when you are troubled, it's better not to think about it, but to keep busy with more cheerful things.

Disagree



first-generation immigrants can never be fully integrated within their new country.

DIsagree




what's good for the most successful corporations is always, ultimately, good for all of us.

Disagree




no broadcasting institution, however independent its content, should receive public funding.

Disagree




our civil liberties are being excessively curbed in the name of counter-terrorism.

Disagree




a significant advantage of a one-party state is that it avoids all the arguments that delay progress in a democratic political system.

Disagree



although the electronic age makes official surveillance easier, only wrongdoers need to be worried.

Agree



the death penalty should be an option for the most serious crimes.

Agree (I might've said strongly)

in a civilised society, one must always have people above to be obeyed and people below to be commanded.

Agree



abstract art that doesn't represent anything shouldn't be considered art at all.

Agree



in criminal justice, punishment should be more important than rehabilitation.

Agree



it is a waste of time to try to rehabilitate some criminals.

Agree



the businessperson and the manufacturer are more important than the writer and the artist.

Disagree




mothers may have careers, but their first duty is to be homemakers.

Agree



multinational companies are unethically exploiting the plant genetic resources of developing countries.

Agree



making peace with the establishment is an important aspect of maturity.

Agree



astrology accurately explains many things.

Strongly disagree



you cannot be moral without being religious.

Agree


charity is better than social security as a means of helping the genuinely disadvantaged.

Disagree



some people are naturally unlucky.

Disagree (sometimes I say agree)

it is important that my child's school instills religious values.
Disagree





sex outside marriage is usually immoral.

Strongly agree


a same sex couple in a stable, loving relationship, should not be excluded from the possibility of child adoption.

Disagree


pornography, depicting consenting adults, should be legal for the adult population.

Disagree



what goes on in a private bedroom between consenting adults is no business of the state.

Agree


no one can feel naturally homosexual.

Disagree

these days openness about sex has gone too far.

Strongly agree

[Mr. Ron]

Steve why are you such a boring conservative

[Reaganista]

you lie

[Volumnius Flush]

Is anyone interested in my answers? I will post them if anyone is interested...

[pppoe]

No.

[Virus278]

Economic Left/Right: -2.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.82

[Hababi]

Steve why are you such a boring conservative

I'm a centrist :cool:

you lie

about what

[dei]

You are conservative.

[Volumnius Flush]

No.

I wasn't asking you. Plus, I was asking about people's interest, not their uninterest.

[beastman168]

Economic Left/Right: -6.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.74

I'm a raging conservative compared to most of you.

[Aaron]

Not really..

[Seafroggys]

Economic Left/Right: -8.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.31

I've been even more extreme at times in the past, but this is average for me.

[Volumnius Flush]

Economic Left/Right: -8.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.31

I've been even more extreme at times in the past, but this is average for me.

That is very extreme. 82% extreme

And Dei, you have a penchant for short, witty posts. Oh, I said witty, I meant contentless.

[dei]

Not really..

Most of the posters in PWNI are anarchists or communists. Iskandar is anarcho-communist.

[Volumnius Flush]

Most of the posters in PWNI are anarchists or communists. Iskandar is anarcho-communist.

Me and Non are conservative, though the test wouldn't show it.
There was some guy on here a few years back who was very conservative. GriftaDan I think was his name. Haven't seen him in a while.

[dei]

Most...

[iarescientists]

Economic Left/Right: -6.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.51

Right between Nelson Mandela and The Dalai Lama :cool:

[Volumnius Flush]

Most...

I was contrasting the fact that there are many liberals here yet so few conservatives. Many are called, yet few are chosen. Hahaha

[Smokey D]

Steve doesn't lie, the test just doesn't ask relevant questions.

If it asked something like 'do you think all Palestinians are terrorists?' or 'does being Christian make your social and or governmental arrangements inherently better and more successful?', he'd be a lot further right.

[Hababi]

Steve doesn't lie

Exactly :cool:

[Volumnius Flush]

Exactly :cool:

Non, don't worry. I know you're a conservative. Your test score has no bearing on my opinions of you.

[Aaron]

I seem to have unique views on this board. hm.

[BridgeToSolace]

Steve doesn't lie, the test just doesn't ask relevant questions.

He can also easily cut corners by never using the "Strongly Disagree/Agree" columns, making him more centrist by default.

And really, what's the difference between agree and strongly disagree?

[Smokey D]

If it asked something like 'do you think all Palestinians are terrorists?' or 'does being Christian make your social and or governmental arrangements inherently better and more successful?', he'd be a lot further right.

Exactly.

[Aaron]

He can also easily cut corners by never using the "Strongly Disagree/Agree" columns, making him more centrist by default.

And really, what's the difference between agree and strongly disagree?
The strength. lol.

[BridgeToSolace]

Exactly.

Did you just quote and agree with yourself?

[Volumnius Flush]

Did you just quote and agree with yourself?

That's what I was thinking.

[beso negro]

Steve doesn't lie, the test just doesn't ask relevant questions.

If it asked something like 'do you think all Palestinians are terrorists?' or 'does being Christian make your social and or governmental arrangements inherently better and more successful?', he'd be a lot further right.

no he just picks Agree or Disagree. He rarely picks "Strongly Agree/Disagree"

I mean come on:

no one can feel naturally homosexual.

Disagree

um why not strongly. that's a question that should be either strongly agree or strongly disagree.

you cannot be moral without being religious.

Agree

Steve, no. You strongly agree and you know it.

those with the ability to pay should have the right to higher standards of medical care .

Strongly disagree

but this wtf steve. you've gone soft on me. I of course picked stongly agree on this one.

possessing marijuana for personal use should not be a criminal offence.

Agree

surprising. I strongly agree :D

[Volumnius Flush]

no one can feel naturally homosexual

Strongly disagree

you cannot be moral without being religious.

Disagree

those with the ability to pay should have the right to higher standards of medical care.

I agree to this.

possessing marijuana for personal use should not be a criminal offence.

I agree to this too.

[Against Miik!]

I seem to have unique views on this board. hm.

Thats not that hard. Regardless of what this stupid test says, everybody is pretty much the same here, with the exception of a few.

[WhoDidTheElf]

Economic Left/Right: 5.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.97

[The Stig]

Economic: 9.75
Social: -2.36

Here I am to ruin the thread.

[Against Miik!]

omg wtf you are crazy

[Volumnius Flush]

Economic Left/Right: 5.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.97

You're my kind of guy WhoDidTheElf. This is the kind of score I would like to have.

[BassRevelation1029]

Economic Left/Right: -7.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.82

[Volumnius Flush]

Economic Left/Right: -7.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.82

There is no such thing as Revelation 10:29.

[Smokey D]

Did you just quote and agree with yourself?

Well it was in reference to where Steve quoted only a portion of my post while ignoring the important bit. But when I posted it, the site glitched a little and it wasn't posted until after some other people had posted.

[dei]

Economic: 9.75
Social: -2.36

Here I am to ruin the thread.

What is wrong with you?

[beso negro]

Economic: 9.75
Social: -2.36

Here I am to ruin the thread.

nice. finally someone is more right then me.

[DBoons Ghost]

Economic Left/Right: -6.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.67

I think I'm about the same but they changed a few Qs and added some as well.

[beso negro]

btw I just wanted to clarify that anyone who doesn't strongly agree with this is very naive:

those with the ability to pay should have the right to higher standards of medical care

[Smokey D]

Why not?

Everyone should have adequate treatment, but why shouldn't the richer have more expensive treatment?

[dei]

Because the rich are capitalist pigs and should be shot.

[beso negro]

Why not?

Everyone should have adequate treatment, but why shouldn't the richer have more expensive treatment?

i thought the question was implying national healthcare with private healthcare abolished. Like a scientist has no choice but to accept the same medical treatment a trash man would receive.

yea if the rich want better health care than they should pay extra no doubt.

[dei]

The trash men here actually make decent money, or so I've been told!

[Hababi]

Well it was in reference to where Steve quoted only a portion of my post while ignoring the important bit. But when I posted it, the site glitched a little and it wasn't posted until after some other people had posted.

Oh no I think the important part was "Steve doesn't lie."

After all the other two weren't what I believe :o

[guitrguy]

Economic Left/Right: -5.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.33

My old score.

Economic Left/Right: 3.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.85

This is me for those you who may not know that.

[dei]

Glad you could come join us on the left.

[beso negro]

no he's been brainwashed

[guitrguy]

Its kind of funny how I went even further left than I was on the right.

[The Stig]

You have changed over the last year or so quite a bit. It was cool to have a fellow libertarian. Now I'm pretty much by myself.

[Tyr]

Economic Left/Right: -7.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.26

About the same as last time, I believe.

[beso negro]

Now I'm pretty much by myself.

we have similar scores.

[Hababi]

we have similar scores.

Yes, I'm the one pretty much on my own :p

[Volumnius Flush]

Yes, I'm the one pretty much on my own :p

Non, don't forget we are closest politically according to our scores.

[Iskandar]

Why not?

Everyone should have adequate treatment, but why shouldn't the richer have more expensive treatment?I think the question is asking if you are okay with the idea of a two-tiered public system.

[Hababi]

I think the question is asking if you are okay with the idea of a two-tiered public system.

To some degree it depends on the type of treatment. For instance, it's common sense that elective, cosmetic, etc. operations aren't an entitlement and are better left being left to those who can afford them.

But if we're talking about, say, treatments for cancer, that's a different issue.

[Volumnius Flush]

See how Non ignores me?

[PianoDan]

4.12
4.46

About the same as last time I think.

[beso negro]

I think the question is asking if you are okay with the idea of a two-tiered public system.

yea either that or an entirely free market system.

[RockStar]

Economic Left/Right: -4.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.31

[Aaron]

^ wow, someone close to me!

Economic Left/Right: -4.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.26

[RockStar]

+ repped!

[Volumnius Flush]

Economic Left/Right: 0.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.87

I'm moving more to the left!! Eek!

Economic Left/Right: -1.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.82

Once again, it shows I am the most centrist person on here :D

Now if I can only recall the distance formula in algebra... But I can already tell. I am more centrist than you Trilemma.

[guitarded_chuck]

Economic Left/Right: -4.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.79

Yeah, I'd say that'd be pretty accurate.

[MBS]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -2.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.36

kinda by dalai lama and ghandi

i landed where i thought i would be. moderate with a slight bias towards left.

[TJtheguitarist2]

Economic Left/Right: -5.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.13

Have moved right several points since last year

[Aaron]

Thought I'd bump this in light of the many elections and economic events occurring to see if we've changed dramatically/at all.

OLD SCORE:
Economic Left/Right: -4.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.26

NEW SCORE
Economic Left/Right: -4.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.00

[pppoe]

Old Score:
Economic Left/Right: -7.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.72

New Score:
Economic Left/Right: 0.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.67

I have shifted quite a bit on the economic axis. Oh well.

[beso negro]

me and steve's compass:

http://www.geocities.com/solflux/formVer1.html

[pppoe]

X: -0.75
Y: -7.2
Z: -3

What does this mean?

[Mr. Ron]

Economic Left/Right: -3.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.18

changed a bit

[mattspurplepen]

X: -6.9

(X min is -5)
Y: -5.25

(Y Max is 5)
Z: -1.25

?

[beso negro]

X: -0.75
Y: -7.2
Z: -3

What does this mean?

fiscally moderate
socially liberal
and you don't like war

X: -6.9

(X min is -5)
Y: -5.25

(Y Max is 5)
Z: -1.25

social and economic liberal.

[guitrguy]

X: -4.95

Y: -5.75

Z: -2.75

[spitfirejunky]

Economic Left/Right: -1.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.82

[Jharaski]

Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.03

And here I thought that I'd wind up something like 5, 0 or something

[Sk0rpi0n]

Economic Left/Right: -8.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.59

I'm still far left and a big fan of of a high degree of social freedom. Honestly though, I wouldn't take this survey as definitive proof of overall political affiliations. I'd describe my self as a leftist (rather than far-left) with a tendency to moderate my viewpoint in the face of compelling economic evidence. As far as the libertarian thing goes, its accurate. I definitely believe in reforming "criminals", legalizing and regulating most forms of narcotics, allowing people to to have sex with any other consenting adult etc. etc.

On the other hand, I believe more or less in large, open and unimpeded access to markets. The socialist aspect comes in the form of high taxation on the sucessful. The logic here is that if you have worked to make money you deserve a nice cut -- however -- the people who have given you their wealth, also deserve a cut to keep markets fair, free and open, reducing the chances of monopolization/oligarchies from taking root, and making ABSOLUTELY sure, that the wealth you receive from people is not used to lobby and control their government. Otherwise it isn't a free market; its a patronage market.

[The Stig]

X: 10.4
Y: -7.45
Z: 3.25

In the thing earlier posted.

Regular political compass:

Economic: +9.75
Social: -2.41

Almost exactly where I have been the last 3-4 times I've taken it. I think my view on the military skews my social view more towards the center though, as evidenced by the 3-axis poll.

[PshSam]

Economic Left/Right: -4.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.31

[FallingSnow]

Economic Left/Right: 5.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.10

Not really quit sure what to make of this. Apparently I'm kind of authoritarian and really right wing economic? I've never understood political compasses like this. Somebody explain.

[Tyr]

The new score:
Economic Left/Right: -9.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.38

The old score:
Economic Left/Right: -7.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.26

[mph4ever]

Economic Left/Right: -5.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.13

first time i've ever taken it and answered as honestly as possible without reading the thread.

Economic Left/Right: -4.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.95


drifting more right and more anarchic, feels good, thanks to you all, going in the right direction

[Iskandar]

-5.25, -6.

[Aaron]

Economic Left/Right: -4.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.00

^ Not sure what that means, tbh.

[Iskandar]

Economic Left/Right: -4.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.00

^ Not sure what that means, tbh.Easy. On economics, you're center-left. On social issues, you're moderate.

Economic Left/Right: 5.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.10

Not really quit sure what to make of this. Apparently I'm kind of authoritarian and really right wing economic? I've never understood political compasses like this. Somebody explain.Your economic views are right-wing and your social views are moderate but progressive-leaning.

A negative score means "left" and a positive score means "right." Hitler is put at I think +2, +10. Gandhi is like -5, -3.

[McP3000]

Economic Left/Right: 3.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.92

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=3.12&soc=-0.92

its really sad that i have to be the rightest with these stats :lol:

[Aaron]

Easy. On economics, you're center-left. On social issues, you're moderate. Your economic views are right-wing and your social views are moderate but progressive-leaning.
So that aligns with Nation-States assessment of me being a democratic-socialist?
So I'm more ghandi than hitler, cool.

[SnackaryBinx]

always knew I was a libertarian:

Economic Left/Right: -1.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.79

[Reaganista]

more like democrat

[SnackaryBinx]

oh no you didn't!

[RNR]

Big surprise, I'm a Libertarian and a socialist. I knew that already. Good test I suppose.

[beso negro]

always knew I was a libertarian:

Economic Left/Right: -1.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.79

that's not libertarian.

paul is a libertarian, look at his score.

[SnackaryBinx]

now i'm confused. stupid graph said I was libertarian

[McP3000]

you are a social libertarian not part of the political group

X: 5.3
Y: -1.75
Z: -0.75

better quiz tbh

[FallingSnow]

Your economic views are right-wing and your social views are moderate but progressive-leaning.

A negative score means "left" and a positive score means "right." Hitler is put at I think +2, +10. Gandhi is like -5, -3.

Well, that does make sense with my everyday philosophies.

[The Stig]

Economic Left/Right: 3.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.92

its really sad that i have to be the rightest with these stats :lol:

X: 10.4
Y: -7.45
Z: 3.25

In the thing earlier posted.

Regular political compass:

Economic: +9.75
Social: -2.41

Almost exactly where I have been the last 3-4 times I've taken it. I think my view on the military skews my social view more towards the center though, as evidenced by the 3-axis poll.

:wave:

always knew I was a libertarian:

Economic Left/Right: -1.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.79

No. You are more libertarian on social issues, but on economic issues, you are pretty far from it. You look like your average run of the mill American Democrat from your score.

[808]

Paul is too extreme even for extreme libertarians.

[The Stig]

I'm so extreme I've gone full circle and become a moderate.

[guitrguy]

Economic Left/Right: -4.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.31

[The Stig]

Guitrguy has fallen so far...

[guitrguy]

Yeah I used to be a wacky libertarian!

[The Stig]

Did you know that Sideshow Bob is a Republican?

[guitrguy]

No I did not know this.

[The Stig]

It's true.

From what I remember, though, weren't you right near me about a year or less ago?

[guitrguy]

I think I was around a 8.00 or so

[808]

Paul, I'm coming your way. In the last year I shifted from like -8 in Economic left/right to +0.12. Eight points!

[McP3000]

:wave:
yeah but i dont see you post as much

might just be time differences though

[Smokey D]

Paul should post more.

[The Stig]

I would, but I can't take some of the people who troll. Or the people like VF who just blurt out asinine crap. But I go through my PNWI stints.

[Smokey D]

Give me a list of people you consider trolls, and I'll ban them just for you.

<3

Except Tway.

[The Stig]

I've learned to love Tway as of late.

Mostly VF, already taken, the usual lot. It's really not all that terrible; I just have a very high view of my opinions and get a bit irritated with some of the people who shoot them down or dismiss them without a real argument.

[McP3000]

wow Smokey D showed affection everyone get out your cameras

[hismajestythepope]

Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.56

[Surtr]

Economic Left/Right: -6.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.33


I appear to be like right on top of Nelson Mandela.

[beso negro]

X: 5.3
Y: -1.75
Z: -0.75

better quiz tbh

:^)

[Prince of Darkness]

Economic Left/Right: -0.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.69

[StreetlightRock]

Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.59

^ Heh, close.

[Prince of Darkness]

:chug:

[Iskandar]

Did you know that Sideshow Bob is a Republican?Yes, he ran for governor in one episode, didn't he? He also mentions how horrible prison was for him as a "lifelong conservative Republican." I saw that episode two days ago.

Big surprise, I'm a Libertarian and a socialist. I knew that already. Good test I suppose.That's cool and all, but aren't you voting Conservative?

[EADGC]

Economic Left/Right: -4.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.51

[beso negro]

lol how can one be a libertarian and a socialist

[pppoe]

It's quite simple, really.

[Sk0rpi0n]

lol how can one be a libertarian and a socialist

This position is most often referred to as anarcho-socialism or anarcho-communism, though other names exist. Basically it is a hybrid of anarchist and socialist thought which holds that man is naturally inclined to co-operate and share more equally in the absence legal authority. The chief tenant here is that the state is a failed experiment that distributes power, wealth and authority very unevenly and unjustly. Thus people ought start over and band into a stateless groupings that lack true leadership, in which property and wealth is distributed evenly. Thus people take only what they need and the ability to hold definitive property disappears.

Examples of such societies are abundant. Many of the native American groups that lived in North America before the arrival of European settlers effectively held this view because they were communes that did not hold private property. In fact, the whole concept of property was completely foreign to them and only brought here by Europeans.

Within Saharan Africa and the jungles of Brazil/Argentina, small groups of people that employ this model still exist.

[808]

When Native Americans left a piece of land, it was free to be inhabited by anyone else who came along, yeah?

[beso negro]

This position is most often referred to as anarcho-socialism or anarcho-communism, though other names exist.

why would anyone through libertarian into that. I get it, no government, but even a libertarian sees the need for a government.

[GreyHam]

well, my views have certainly changed recently...

Economic Left/Right: -6.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.46

which puts me somewhere near nelson mandela and ghandi, which is nice

to be fair, i dont think a lot of the questions let you give a fair response and put your views across accurately.

i knew id become more focussed on the rights of the individual since the last time i did one of these, but now i feel like a hippie

ps http://www.politicalcompass.org/extremeright somewhat interesting for those keeping up with UK politics, if utterly meaningless

[SnackaryBinx]

I agree with GreyHam, the questions weren't that good.

[Sk0rpi0n]

why would anyone through libertarian into that. I get it, no government, but even a libertarian sees the need for a government.

You are right to say that a libertarian might see some need for a government, however, an extreme libertarian (in this case a -10) would fall at the opposite end of extremely authoritarian, meaning the state would either be non-existant, or so small it would have little overall power. In the case of the American natives, some had a type of state (ie. The Iroquois Confederacy) while others had a chief or even no proper leadership. This qualifies as the extremely libertarian or even the anarchistic viewpoint I was trying to describe.

[Iscariot]

Economic Left/Right: -7.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.97

[Cellophane]

Economic Left/Right: -1.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.00

[Iskandar]

lol how can one be a libertarian and a socialisthttp://politicalcompass.org/faq#faq16

Libertarianism as you use it is a distinctly American term. Everywhere else, they're called neo-liberals or just liberals.

[Mr. Ron]

what is the difference between a classical liberal and a libertarian?

[Iskandar]

what is the difference between a classical liberal and a libertarian?One's a gun nut.:p

Libertarians often claim to be the modern successors of classical liberals.

[Mr. Ron]

Idk, lately I've been agreeing with the merits of classical liberalism but people I've been talking to keep saying "its the same thing as libertarianism". I just don't want to be potentially lumped in with objectivists and neckbeards that think 9/11 was an inside job. :(

[Cellophane]

It wasn't an inside job?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/gloucestershire/content/images/2007/06/06/bill_bailey_203x152.jpg

[Iskandar]

http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Image:NERRRRRD.jpg

The American libertarian in its natural habitat.

[Mr. Ron]

http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Image:NERRRRRD.jpg

The American libertarian in its natural habitat.

He gets points for liking DOOM but immediately looses them for having a T-shirt that glorifies a moron.

[Iskandar]

He loses points again for liking DOOM when he's a fat middle-aged pasty American.

[Mr. Ron]

Alex I will like DOOM until I die. I can't help it that I do not tan well, either :(

[McP3000]

Doom was such a good game

[griftadan]

been awhile

Economic Left/Right: 2.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.51

i don't really think that many of my ideas on economics have changed, i've just grown to be completely dissatisfied with the way the ask the questions so i answer them with a different mindset

[The Stig]

Idk, lately I've been agreeing with the merits of classical liberalism but people I've been talking to keep saying "its the same thing as libertarianism". I just don't want to be potentially lumped in with objectivists and neckbeards that think 9/11 was an inside job. :(

I'm not an Objectivist, don't have a neckbeard, and 9-11 wasn't an inside job unless you're that guy was it Fenwood who bought every conspiracy theory?

It wasn't an inside job?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/gloucestershire/content/images/2007/06/06/bill_bailey_203x152.jpg

No, it wasn't.

http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Image:NERRRRRD.jpg

The American libertarian in its natural habitat.

I am skinny as crap, don't have any political T-Shirts, and play different games. But I play Doom too I guess.

[Smokey D]

When Native Americans left a piece of land, it was free to be inhabited by anyone else who came along, yeah?

From what I understand, to quiet native title the federal government had to had to purchase the land from the tribe or conquer it in some sort of conflict.

[Iscariot]

i'm amazed no one is disputing how liberal i am since everyone in here seems to have deduced through their expert opinions that i am a republican

[cobert]

http://politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-9.75&soc=-8.36

More left / libertarian than most in this thread. That's a hard thing to do, apparently. They don't have anybody on their charts that's close to that, but I can really only imagine somebody like Proudhon or Durruti would be near me.

One of these days we need to make topics to debate or discuss individual questions in this test.

[JohnXDoe]

i really don't know what this is or how to read it or what it means if anything

it has me pegged as a liberal libertarian or some crap. not the authoritarian. the other kind. apparently i'm to the right and the north (northeast) of Nelson Mandela and Gandhi on the map, though. and the Dalai Lama

economic left/right 4.62
social libertarian/authoritarian -3.49

[McP3000]

i really don't know what this is or how to read it or what it means if anything

it has me pegged as a liberal libertarian of some crap. not the authoritarian. the other kind. apparently i'm to the right of nelson Mandela and Gandhi, though. and the Dalai Lama

economic left/right 4.62
social libertarian/authoritarian -3.49
dude you're a libertarian
-economically conservative
-liberal socially

unless you copied it wrong im lmao after all your hilary/obama support

[JohnXDoe]

yeah well you gotta go with somethin'

[Sk0rpi0n]

i'm amazed no one is disputing how liberal i am since everyone in here seems to have deduced through their expert opinions that i am a republican

LoL! Perhaps you overestimate how much people really care about other peoples scores? I mean, come on, their are dozens of these posts. What makes yours (or mine for that matter) so special?

[Iscariot]

LoL! Perhaps you overestimate how much people really care about other peoples scores? I mean, come on, their are dozens of these posts. What makes yours (or mine for that matter) so special?

i am very high-profile tbqh

[beso negro]

http://politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-9.75&soc=-8.36

More left / libertarian than most in this thread.

please that is not libertarian. you're a commie.

Libertarians often claim to be the modern successors of classical liberals.

not me I claim to be a true/classical republican or a conservative who is athiest.

[808]

i'm amazed no one is disputing how liberal i am since everyone in here seems to have deduced through their expert opinions that i am a republican

I know that Jared and Iscariot are two different people. One is a very nice person and the other is some mean guy on the internet who often says things he doesn't really mean.

[beso negro]

If you analyze it, I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.

reagan ftw

[cobert]

please that is not libertarian. you're a commie.



not me I claim to be a true/classical republican or a conservative who is athiest.

You do realize that "Libertarian Communism" is the idea of communism without state coercion? I don't claim to be a supporter of the American definition of Libertarianism. Rather, I claimed to be libertarian in the sense of the social scale of the test.

[cobert]

If you analyze it, I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.

reagan ftw


Agreed.

[Iscariot]

I know that Jared and Iscariot are two different people. One is a very nice person and the other is some mean guy on the internet who often says things he doesn't really mean.

iscariot is my evil alter-ego/split personality

he comes out late at night after i've been drinking and then is gone again by the morning

he also has a habit of ignoring logic and taking the high ground by stating that he always right and everyone else can just shut up

i guess he isn't really such a bad guy when you get to know him though

o_0

[Cesar21]

Economic Left/Right: -3.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.82

I though I was a bit more right in economy. All in all i think it is pretty accurate for an interenet analisis.

[Iskandar]

If you analyze it, I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.

reagan ftwActually libertarianism is being a hardcore capitalist with a few token liberal positions on social issues. They are more authoritarian than they think (see widespread support for death penalty, war, anti-abortion, etc.).

Also lol at Reagan who had the most interventionalist foreign policy ever.

[Reaganista]

everyone wants less government broadly but more government on any particularly issue

[griftadan]

Actually libertarianism is being a hardcore capitalist with a few token liberal positions on social issues. They are more authoritarian than they think (see widespread support for death penalty, war, anti-abortion, etc.).

i don't really know what libertarians you're talking to but they aren't libertarians

[beso negro]

They are more authoritarian than they think (see widespread support for death penalty, war, anti-abortion, etc.).


hmm i don't see how you can be libertarian and be for abortion laws.

libertarians are more socially liberal than dems. At least I am.

[808]

I know there are many people in the Libertarian Party who are anti-abortion.

[AyatollahKhomeini]

um if you view a fetus as a human being
as i'm sure many religious libertarians do
then it makes total sense

[808]

They shouldn't care if other people want to have abortions, though, and some of them do care and try to stop me from doing what I want with my body!

[AyatollahKhomeini]

of course they would care
if they see a fetus as a human being
then aborting it is clearly a violation of it's rights

[808]

They are violating my rights.

[AyatollahKhomeini]

ok

but if a libertarian believes a fetus is a human being with rights
then protecting the fetuses right to live
trumps your right to abortion

i'm just saying it's not retarded if you understand where they're comming from

[McP3000]

They are violating my rights.
if its classified as a human then you no longer have any rights over its life.

Its when we define the human life to start that's the question

[Reaganista]

fetuses arent human beings tho everyone know that

[808]

fetuses arent human beings tho everyone know that

^^^

[okay]

Economic Left/Right: -8.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.26

haha im wayyy down in the bottom left corner of the graph

http://politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-9.75&soc=-8.36

More left / libertarian than most in this thread. That's a hard thing to do, apparently. They don't have anybody on their charts that's close to that, but I can really only imagine somebody like Proudhon or Durruti would be near me.

One of these days we need to make topics to debate or discuss individual questions in this test.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-8.88&soc=-8.26
radical left solidarity!

[UmphreysHead]

They are violating my rights.
If they consider it to be a human being then they're considering what you're doing murder, which in case you were wondering is def not legal.

[cobert]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-8.88&soc=-8.26
radical left solidarity!

Hell yeah bro.

[Iscariot]

fetuses arent human beings tho everyone know that

the offspring of a human is a human

[Reaganista]

fetuses arent offspring everyone knows that

[Iscariot]

oh ok yeah that makes total sense

[Reaganista]

they havent sprung off of anything yet how can they be offspring

[Smokey D]

Human? Yes.

Being? Debatable.

[okay]

very early stage human
homo sapien ver. 0.01

[The Stig]

They do have a completely separate DNA code from the mother, so that could be one argument against abortion (if it has different DNA, how could it be an extension of the mother's body)?

I'm still not all the way decided on that issue.

But the idea that you can't be a libertarian if you disagree with one or two tenets of mainstream libertarianism is pretty damn ridiculous.

[beso negro]

well i guess that's true. you can be an athiest and still be against abortion.

[SWard325]

Economic Left/Right: -5.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.90

[Reaganista]

hey do have a completely separate DNA code from the mother, so that could be one argument against abortion (if it has different DNA, how could it be an extension of the mother's body)?

so does cancer doesnt it
i dont remember

[Smokey D]

A cancer is part of the person. That's why you can't get rid of it, because the body isn't programmed to attack self.

It's slightly different I guess from the 'master DNA' of a person in that it has a collection of mutations on the DNA which allow it to become malignant. But mutations occur all the time in cells that are cearly not separate from the main organism.

[Aaron]

Human? Yes.

Being? Debatable.
You're not a person legally unless you've taken a breath.

[hismajestythepope]

They do have a completely separate DNA code from the mother, so that could be one argument against abortion (if it has different DNA, how could it be an extension of the mother's body)?
thats a pretty excellent argument right there, it's almost hilarious but mostly horrifying that people need that explanation in the first place though

I'm still not all the way decided on that issue.

But the idea that you can't be a libertarian if you disagree with one or two tenets of mainstream libertarianism is pretty damn ridiculous.

dude, this is pnwi, if your opinion differs from the mainstream at any point youre an uneducated bumpkin

[Interstate]

Economic Left/Right: -3.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.08

[Iskandar]

thats a pretty excellent argument right there, it's almost hilarious but mostly horrifying that people need that explanation in the first place though



dude, this is pnwi, if your opinion differs from the mainstream at any point youre an uneducated bumpkinLet's start small: A fetus isn't a human being and being anti-abortion is authoritarian.

[Reaganista]

You're not a person legally unless you've taken a breath.
you're not a person legally unless the law recognizes you as a person but that's not really material to whether abortion is right or wrong i mean it's clearly legal i dont think anybody challenged that