Essential, Definitive R&M Albums: Discussion & Rough Drafts

[Jom]

Greetings R&Mers -- as outlined in the previous discussion thread (located here: http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=557006), a few regulars wanted to put together a list of R&M albums that are essential, genre-defining records.

Purpose: by compiling a list of primary genres, veterans and newcomers alike can reference this thread. For instance, say a user wants to get into Folk/Viking Metal - this thread will answer two things: 1) What is Folk/Viking Metal, and 2) What are some definitive records within the genre? This way, musical curiosity can be explored.

Guidelines

I. You are NOT expected to fill out every genre or fill up all five slots. If you are not "fluent" in a genre or multiple genres, please do not fill out those genres. The final project will have ten albums per genre, however.

II. The categories were compiled based on consensus from the aforementioned thread. You are more than welcome to add genres for consideration; however, the form below has proven to be relatively concrete.

III. Users will select up to five albums for each genre they wish to nominate. This forces users to legitimately consider which albums they truly believe are essential, definitive albums.

IV. The rankings are based on stratified strength: each #1-ranked album earns 15 points, #2 earns 12, #3 earns 8, #4 earns 5, and #5 earns 3. Rationale for stratification: this stems from a compromise; however, the premise is the same - the stratification enables users to really ponder which album best defines a particular genre. The break-up in points also will prevent ties.

V. Only one album per band per genre, and a band cannot appear in two or more genres! In this thread, it will be up to R&M participants to duke it out in pinpointing which genre best describes a certain band. For example, Opeth is considered progressive and death metal, but cannot appear in both lists. If the consensus is they should be considered progressive, Opeth will only be considered under the progressive genre.

VI. When totaling up the points, if multiple albums by the same artist appear in the list (for example, Dark Side of the Moon and The Wall appear at #2 and #10), they will together take the highest slot in the list (#2), and the #11 album will slide up to #10.

VII. This thread will serve as the discussion thread and will remain open throughout this project's existence. Use this thread to discuss, debate, post "rough draft" lists, "rough draft" genre descriptions, pick your collaborating partners for the genre descriptions, and the like. The "official" submission thread will appear in 2-3 days - once you formally submit your list, you will not have much time to edit your posts!

VIII. As a part of this project, I will need SHORT descriptions of the genres. GOAL: clear, concise description of the genre that unquestionably answers "What is [this genre] like?" Credit will be given to the user(s) who create/collaborate original descriptions. Copypasta Wikipedia is unacceptable! It can be anything - the tempo, the structure, the history, etc. - just make it good! I want to include these descriptions in the final list.

IX. Some basic rules that I insist that people help me out with:

- No multiple votes from multiple accounts (please narc on somebody if this happens)
- All are welcome, but unfamiliar posters will be eyed suspiciously
- Ask questions/debate/etc. in this thread if you need to!

X. This project is supposed to be fun, but I feel that I have to emphasize that mature disagreement with one's opinion is not personal. However, the R&M mods will be watching for unnecessary inflammatory posting.

If I am unclear/missing something, please tell me and I will fix this ASAP!

[Jom]

Reminders:

- You are not obligated to fill out all five spots or all the genres. If you can only think of three albums in a genre, just list those three.
- If you are unfamiliar with a genre(s), please abstain. For example, don't expect Jom submissions for doom, black, grind, drone/sludge, etc.
- Copy/paste this form into your post and work as a rough draft.
- Take your time! There is no deadline currently.

METAL

A. Traditional Heavy Metal
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

B. Death Metal
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

C. Thrash Metal
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

D. Black Metal
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

E. Doom Metal
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

F. Power Metal
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

G. Progressive Metal
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

H. Folk/Viking Metal
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

I. Grind
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

J. Metalcore
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

K. Nu/Mainstream Metal
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

L. Industrial
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

M. Drone/Traditional & Stoner Sludge Metal
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

ROCK

A. Classic Rock
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

B. Mainstream Rock
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

C. Hard Rock/Hair Metal/Sleaze
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

D. Pop Rock/Powerpop/Glam Rock
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

E. Alternative
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

F. Post-Rock/Post-Metal/"Atmospheric Sludge Metal"
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

G. Progressive Rock
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

H. Psychedelic Rock
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

I. Jam Rock
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

J. Fusion
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

K. Folk Rock
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

L. Krautrock
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

M. Noise Rock
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

N. Stoner Rock
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

[MBS]

oh, goodness. reserved, and will begin thinking.

in no particular order thus far:

A. Classic Rock
beatles - revolver
led zeppelin - IV
the who - live at leeds
pink floyd - wish you were here


B. Mainstream Rock
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

C. Hard Rock/Hair Metal/Sleaze
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

D. Pop Rock/Powerpop/Glam Rock
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

E. Alternative
radiohead - ok computer
manic street preachers - the holy bible
jeff buckley - grace
dredg - el cielo

G. Progressive Rock
rush
king crimson
pink floyd


H. Psychedelic Rock


I. Jam Rock
allman brothers band - live at fillmore east
phish - a live one

J. Fusion (jazz fusion, yeah?)
jeff beck - blow by blow
al dimeola - elegant gypsy

K. Folk Rock
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

[Iluvatar]

I am currently determining which genres I feel qualified to evaluate!

Obviously this will end up being all of them but internal deliberation is required to assure objectivity of the official results.

[Skyler]

a work in progress

Metal

A. Traditional Heavy Metal
1. Black Sabbath - Master of Reality
2.
3. Iron Maiden
4.
5.


C. Thrash Metal
1. Slayer - Reign In Blood
2. Metallica - Master of Puppets
3. Megadeth
4.
5.


E. Doom Metal
1.
2. Electric Wizard - Dopethrone
3. Sleep - Dopesmoker
4.
5.

G. Progressive Metal
1. Opeth - Blackwater Park
2. Orphaned Land
3.
4.
5.


Rock

A. Classic Rock
1. The Beatles - Abbey Road
2. The Rolling Stones - Sticky Fingers
3. The Doors - L.A. Woman
4. Led Zeppelin - Physical Graffiti
5.


C. Hard Rock/Hair Metal/Sleaze
1. Guns N Roses
2. Van Halen
3. Motley Crue
4.
5.

D. Pop Rock/Powerpop/Glam Rock
1. The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
2. David Bowie - Ziggy Stardust
3.
4.
5.

E. Alternative
1.
2. Smashing Pumpkins - Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness
3. Faith No More - Angel Dust
4. Radiohead - OK Computer
5. Primus - Frizzle Fry

F. Post-Rock/Post-Metal/"Atmospheric Sludge Metal"
1.
2. Isis
3. Sigur Ros
4. Neurosis
5. Mogwai

G. Progressive Rock
1. Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon
2. Yes - Fragile
3. King Crimson - In the Court Of The Crimson King
4.
5.


I. Jam Rock
1. The Allman Brothers Band
2. Grateful Dead
3.
4.
5.

J. Fusion
1. Mahavishnu Orchestra
2.
3.
4.
5.

K. Folk Rock
1. Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited
2. Crosby, Stills & Nash - Crosby, Stills & Nash
3. Neil Young - Harvest
4.
5.



N. Stoner Rock
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

a tentative one

also I've got a question for the Thrash and Death metal people. Which category are you putting Possessed in?

A. Traditional Heavy Metal
1. Judas Priest - Sad Wings of Destiny
2. Iron Maiden - The Number of the Beast
3. Mercyful Fate - Melissa
4. Venom - Black Metal
5. Motorhead - Ace of Spades

B. Death Metal
1. Death - Scream Bloody Gore
2. Suffocation - Effigy of the Forgotten
3. Atheist - Unquestionable Presence
4. Possessed - Seven Churches
5. Cryptopsy - None So Vile

C. Thrash Metal
1. Slayer - Reign In Blood
2. Megadeth - Peace Sells... But Who's Buying?
3. Exodus - Bonded By Blood
4. Kreator - Pleasure to Kill
5. Metallica - Master of Puppets

D. Black Metal
1. Burzum - Hvis Lyset Tar Oss
2. Darkthrone - A Blaze in the Northern Sky
3. Emperor - In the Nightside Eclipse
4. Bathory - Bathory
5. Mayhem - De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas

E. Doom Metal
1. Candlemass - Epicus Doomicus Metallicus
2. Thergothon - Stream From the Heavens
3. Saint Vitus - V
4. Pentagram - Day of Reckoning
5. Reverend Bizarre - In the Rectory of the Bizarre Reverend

I. Grind
1. Repulsion - Horrified
2. Carcass - Reek of Putrefaction
3. Napalm Death - Scum
4. Brutal Truth - Extreme Conditions Demand Extreme Responses
5. Terrorizer - World Downfall

F. Post-Rock/Post-Metal/"Atmospheric Sludge Metal"
1. Slint - Spiderland
2. Isis - Oceanic
3. Tortoise - TNT
4. Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven
5. Explosions in the Sky - The Earth Is Not A Cold Dead Place

L. Krautrock
1. Can - Tago Mago
2. Faust - Faust IV
3. Neu! - Neu!
4.
5.

[Silenius]

Will be filled in more and more over time.

A. Traditional Heavy Metal
1. Iron Maiden - Number of the Beast
2. Running Wild - Black Hand Inn
3. Motorhead - Ace of Spades
4. Judas Priest - British Steel
5. Venom - Black Metal

B. Death Metal
1. Possessed - Seven Churches
2. Deicide - Deicide
3. Necrophagist - Onset of Putrefaction
4. Psycroptic - Scepter of the Ancients
5. Lykathea Aflame - Elvenris

C. Thrash Metal
1. Sodom - In the Sign of Evil
2. Vio-lence - Eternal Nightmare
3. Celtic Frost - Mobid Tales
4. Coroner - R.I.P.
5. Hellhammer - Apocalyptic Raids

D. Black Metal
1. Burzum - Hvit Lyset Tar Oss
2. Darkthrone - Panzerfaust
3. Emperor - In The Nightside Eclipse
4. Darkspace - Dark Space II
5. Ulver - Nattens Madrigal

E. Doom Metal
1. Isole - Forevermore
2. Solstice - New Dark Age
3. Doomsword - Let Battle Commence
4. Black Forest - Sadness
5. Forest Stream - Tears of Mortal Solitude

F. Power Metal
1. Skyfire - Timeless Departure
2. Stratovarius - Elements Pt. 1
3. Children of Bodom - Hatebreeder
4. Blind Gaurdian - Tales From Middle Earth
5. Sonata Arctica - Silence

G. Progressive Metal
1. Wintersun - Wintersun (right genre?)
2. Hollenthon - Domus Mundi
3. Arcturus - The Sham Mirrors (Avant Garde goes here I guess)
4. Opeth - Blackwater Park
5. Edge of Sanity - Crimson

H. Folk/Viking Metal
1. Bathory - Blood Fire Death
2. Ensiferum - Ensiferum
3. Equilibrium - Turis Fratyr
4. Falkenbach - Ok Nefna Tysvar Ty
5. Amon Amarth - Fate of Norns

I. Grind
1. T.O.O.H. - Rad a Trest
2. Rotten Sound - Exit
3. Carcass - Reek of Putrefaction
4. Cephalic Carnage - Anomalies
5. Napalm Death - Scum

[G_Mac07]

G. Progressive Metal
1.
2.
3. Arcturus - The Sham Mirrors (Avant Garde goes here I guess)
4.
5.

I've got Arcturus under prog in my list as well. Seems the appropriate place really.

[Stevie II]

Well done Jom, you've done a good job :). I'm going to take a look at some genres now.

A. Traditional Heavy Metal
1. Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath
2. Iron Maiden - The Number of the Beast
3. Judas Priest - Sad Wings of Destiny
4. Motorhead - Overkill
5. Mercyful Fate - Melissa

B. Death Metal
1. Morbid Angel - Blessed are the Sick
2. Deicide - Legion
3. Suffocation - Effigy of the Forgotten
4. Possessed - Seven Churches
5. Dismember - Like an Everflowing Stream

C. Thrash Metal
1. Metallica - Ride the Lightning
2. Slayer - Reign in Blood
3. Megadeth - Peace Sells...But Who's Buying?
4. Kreator - Pleasure to Kill
5. Exodus - Bonded by Blood

D. Black Metal
1. Burzum - Hvis Lyset Tar Oss
2. Mayhem - De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas
3. Darkthrone - Transilvanian Hunger
4. Emperor - In the Nightside Eclipse
5. Immortal - Pure Holocaust

E. Doom Metal
1.
2. Candlemass - Epicus Doomicus Metallicus
3.
4.
5. Cathedral - Forest of Equilibrium

F. Power Metal
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

G. Progressive Metal
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

H. Folk/Viking Metal
1. Bathory - Blood Fire Death
2. Enslaved - Vikinglir Veldi
3.
4.
5.

I. Grind
1. Napalm Death - Scum
2. Carcass - Symphonies of Sickness
3. Repulsion - Horrified
4.
5.

J. Metalcore
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

K. Nu/Mainstream Metal
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

L. Industrial
1.
2.
3. Godflesh - Streetcleaner
4.
5.

M. Drone/Traditional & Stoner Sludge Metal
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

Reading Silenius's good list, a couple of questions; should we consider the first 3 Bathory albums black metal and the following 3 viking metal then? also, do you consider panzerfaust more important than transilvanian hunger or under a funeral moon?

[Silenius]

Yes I consider the first three Bathory albums black metal, and the following ones viking. I feel personally that Darkthrone's sound and style is perfect on Panzerfaust which has always been my personal favorite and a great example of their basic style and blackened thrash roots. :)

What happens if a band like Darkthrone (who should obviously be under black metals top 5) gets a bunch of votes for different albums and is edged out, can we all agree that band should be in the top albums and just consent on an album?

[Stevie II]

no, i think a lot of bands will have that problem - burzum, iron maiden, metallica, bathory, slayer, judas priest etc etc....so it's best to just go with whatever album we think. i suppose that's also what this thread is partly about - discussion...

about possessed - i'd put it under death metal as certainly that is where it is important and influential. i think possessed would make my top 10 death metal but i don't know about top 5.

Heh, mine and Apocalyptic raids' agree quite well.

[Obsequies]

A. Traditional Heavy Metal
1. Mercyful Fate - Melissa
2. Iron Maiden - Killers
3. Manilla Road - Open the Gates
4. Judas Priest - Sad Wings of Destiny
5. Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath

B. Death Metal
1. Deicide - Legion
2. Morbid Angel - Blessed are the Sick
3. Autopsy - Severed Survival
4. Suffocation - Effigy of the Forgotten
5. Pestilence - Consuming Impulse

C. Thrash Metal
1. Slayer - Hell Awaits
2. Dark Angel - Darkness Descends
3. Vio-lence - Eternal Nightmare
4. Morbid Saint - Spectrum of Death
5. Exodus - Bonded by Blood

D. Black Metal
1. Burzum - Hvis Lyset Tar Oss
2.
3.
4.
5.

E. Doom Metal
1. Candlemass - Epicus Doomicus Metallicus
2. Saint Vitus - Saint Vitus
3. Decomposed - Hope Finally Died...
4. Winter - Into Darkness
5. Thergothon - Stream From the Heavens


F. Power Metal
1. Fates Warning - The Sceptre Within
2.
3.
4.
5.

...

I. Grind
1. Terrorizer - World Downfall
2. Repulsion - Horrified
3. Carcass - Symphonies of Sickness
4. Napalm Death - Scum
5. Assück - Anticapital

[2muchket!]

I'll fill some more after I've had a think

A. Traditional Heavy Metal
1. Iron Maiden - Piece Of Mind
2. Black Sabbath - Paranoid
3. Judas Priest - Screaming For Vengeance


B. Death Metal
1. Suffocation - Pierced From Within
2. Death - Human
3. At The Gates - Slaughter Of The Soul (list needs some melo-death)
4. Necrophagist - Epitaph
5. Decapitated - Winds Of Creation

C. Thrash Metal
1. Megadeth - Rust In Peace
2. Metallica - Master Of Puppets
3. Slayer - Reign In Blood
4. Testament - The Gathering
5. Send More Paramedics - Feast For The Fallen

D. Black Metal
1. Emperor - In The Nightside Eclipse
2. Mayhem - Deathcrush
3. Burzum - Det Som Engang Var


G. Progressive Metal
1. Protest The Hero - Fortress
2. Opeth - Still Life
3. Queensryche - Operation Mindcrime

J. Metalcore
1. Poison The Well - Opposite Of December
2. Botch - We Are The Romans
3. Converge - Jane Doe
4. Architects - Ruin
5. Buried Inside - Chronoclast

ROCK

A. Classic Rock
1. Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin II
2. AC/DC - Back in Black
3. The Who - Tommy
4. Deep Purple - Machine Head
5. Jimi Hendrix - Are You Experienced ?

E. Alternative
1. Muse - Origin Of Symmetry
2. Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation
3. Blur - Parklife
4. Oasis - Definitely Maybe
5. R.E.M - Automatic For The People

N. Stoner Rock
1. Kyuss - Welcome to Sky Valley
2. Clutch - Clutch
3. QOTSA - Songs for The Deaf

[Txus]

B. Death Metal
1. Autopsy - Severed Survival
2. Dismember - Like an Everflowing Stream
3. Death - Scream Bloody Gore
4. Possessed - Seven Churches
5. Entombed - Left Hand Path

D. Black Metal
1. Darkthrone - A Blaze in the Northern Sky
2. Burzum - Hvis Lyset Tar Oss
3. Mayhem - De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas
4. Ulver - Nattens Madrigal
5. Gorgoroth - Under the Sign of Hell

E. Doom Metal
1. Candlemass - Epicus Doomicus Metallicus
2. Solitude Aeturnus - Beyond the Crimson Horizon
3. Burning Witch - Crippled Lucifer
4. Saint Vitus - V
5. Reverend Bizarre - In The Rectory Of The Bizarre Reverend

G. Progressive Metal
1. Opeth - Still Life
2.
3.
4.
5.

H. Folk/Viking Metal
1. Bathory - Blood Fire Death
2. Falkenbach - ...En Their Medh Riki Fara...
3. Enslaved - Eld
4. Amon Amarth - Fate of Norns
5. Einherjer - Norwegian Native Art

I. Grind
1. Terrorizer - World Downfall
2. Napalm Death - Scum
3. Brutal Truth - Extreme Conditions Demand Extreme Responses
4. Carcass - Reek of Putrefaction
5. Repulsion - Horrified

J. Metalcore
1. Converge - Jane Doe
2. Buried Inside - Chronoclast
3. Skycamefalling - 10.21
4. Rorschach - Autopsy
5. Botch - We Are the Romans

L. Industrial
1. Godflesh - Streetcleaner
2. Coil - Horse Rotorvator
3. Non - Children of the Black Sun
4. Swans - The Great Annihilator
5. Nurse with Wound - Homotopy To Marie

M. Drone/Traditional & Stoner Sludge Metal
1. Kyuss - Blues for the Red Sun
2. Sleep - Sleep's Holy Mountain
3. Electric Wizard - Dopethrone
4. Sunn O))) - Black One
5. Boris - Amplifier Worship

F. Post-Rock/Post-Metal/"Atmospheric Sludge Metal"
1. Neurosis - A Sun That Never Sets
2. Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven
3. Jesu - Silver
4. Crippled Black Phoenix - A Love Of Shared Disasters
5. Isis - Oceanic

M. Noise Rock
1.
2. Melt Banana - Scratch or Stitch
3. Lightning Bolt - Hypermagic Mountain
4. Arab on Radar - Yahweh Or The Highway
5. The Jesus Lizard - Goat

[Stevie II]

what about some rush in the prog section?

[Collis]

Apologies but I am not to up to date with metal so I'll focus on the rock side. Will add to it when my memory is in gear. Also, which genre would motW fit into?

METAL

G. Progressive Metal
1. maudlin of the Well - Bath
2. Opeth - Still Life
3. Queensryche - Operation Mindcrime
4. Dream Theater - Scenes From A Memory
5.

ROCK

A. Classic Rock
1. Led Zeppelin - IV
2. Jimi Hendrix - Are You Experienced?
3. Cream - Disraeli Gears
4. The Who - Quadrophenia
5. The Allman Brothers Band - Eat A Peach

C. Hard Rock/Hair Metal/Sleaze
1. The Cult - Sonic Temple
2. Guns N Roses - Appetite for Destruction
3.
4.
5.

E. Alternative
1. Jeff Buckley - Grace
2. dredg - El Cielo
3. Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation
4. Arcade Fire - Funeral
5.

F. Post-Rock/Post-Metal/"Atmospheric Sludge Metal"
1. Isis - Panopticon
2. Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven
3. Sigur Ros - Agaetis Bryjun
4.
5.

G. Progressive Rock
1. Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here
2. Camel - Moonmadness
3. Genesis - Foxtrot
4. King Crimson - Red
5. The Mars Volta - Deloused in the Comatorium

[masscows]

A. Traditional Heavy Metal
1. Black Sabbath-Paranoid
2. Iron Maiden-Number of the Beast
3. Judas Priest-Sad Wings of Destiny
4. Venom-Black Metal
5. Mercyful Fate-Melissa

B. Death Metal
1. Death-Leprosy
2. Possessed-Seven Churches
3. Entombed-Left Hand Path
4. Suffocation-Effigy of the Forgotten
5. Morbid Angel-Altars of Madness

C. Thrash Metal
1. Metallica-Kill 'Em All
2. Slayer-Reign in Blood
3. Exodus-Bonded By Blood
4. Sepultura-Beneath the Remains
5. Megadeth-Rust in Peace

D. Black Metal
1. Bathory-Bathory
2. Burzum-Hvis Lyset Tar Oss
3. Emperor-In the Nightside Eclipse
4. Darkthrone-A Blaze in the Northern Sky
5. Mayhem-De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas

E. Doom Metal
1. Candlemass-Epicus Doomicus Metallicus
2.
3.
4.
5.

F. Power Metal
1. Blind Guardian-Somewhere Far Beyond
2.
3.
4.
5.

G. Progressive Metal
1. Opeth-Still Life
2. Cynic-Focus
3.
4.
5.

I. Grind
1. Napalm Death-Scum
2. Carcass-Symphonies of Sickness
3. Brutal Truth-Extreme Conditions Demand Extreme Responses
4. Terrorizer-World Downfall
5. Assuck-Misery Index

J. Metalcore
1. Converge-Jane Doe
2. Botch-We Are the Romans
3. 7 Angels 7 Plagues-Jhazmyne's Lullaby
4. Poison the Well-The Opposite of December
5. Unearth-Stings of Conscience

subject to change and mmmmkay

[Jom]

I'm elated to see discussion and rough drafts already; that's real cool.

However, a quick reminder: bands can only show up for one genre only. This is an unfortunate trade-off in this project, as I realize that bands change genres over the course of their discography. Stevie is right - this thread can be used to help clarify where a band best falls because we're trying to get the best of the best for these genres.

[masscows]

ok then :[

[big80smullet]

F. Post-Rock/Post-Metal/"Atmospheric Sludge Metal"
1. Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas To Heaven
2. Sigur Ros - ( )
3. Explosions In The Sky - The Earth Is Not A Cold Dead Place
4. Isis - Oceanic
5. Russian Circles - Enter

[MetalOz]

A. Traditional Metal
1. Saxon - Denim & Leather
2. Judas Priest - Screaming for Vengeance
3. Iron Maiden - Number of the Beast
4. Dio - The Last in Line
5. Ozzy Osbourne - Blizzard of Ozz

C. Thrash Metal
1. Anthrax - Among the Living
2. Testament - The New Order
3. Slayer - Regin in Blood
4. Metallica - Master of Puppets
5. Megadeth - Peace Sells

F. Power Metal
1. Helloween - Keeper of the Seven Keys 1 or 2
2. Blind Guardian - Nightfall in Middle Earth
3. Kamelot - Epica
4. Rhapsody - Symphony of Enchanted Lands
5. DragonForce - Valley of the Damned

G. Prog Metal
1. Fates Warning - Awaken the Guardian
2. Queensryche - Operation Mindcrime
3. Dream Theater - Images and Words
4. Symphony X - The Divine Wings of Tragedy
5. Spiral Architect - A Sceptic's Universe

[Angmar]

A. Traditional Heavy Metal
1. Iron Maiden - Somewhere In Time
2. Running Wild - Black Hand Inn
3. Mercyful Fate - Melissa
4. Judas Priest - Painkiller
5. King Diamond - Abigail

B. Death Metal
1. Death - Human
2. Atheist - Unquestionable Presence
3. Obituary - Cause of Death
4. Immolation - Close to a World Below
5. Dismember - Like an Ever Flowing Stream

D. Black Metal
1. Drudkh - Autumn Aurora
2. Burzum - Det Som Engang Var
3. Ulver - Nattens Madrigal
4. Darkthrone - Transilvanian Hunger
5. Inquisition - Into the Infernal Regions of the Ancient Cult

E. Doom Metal
1. Candlemass - Nightfall
2. Katatonia - Dance of December Souls
3. Pagan Altar - Mythical and Magical
4. Witchfinder General - Death Penalty
5. Trouble - Psalm 9

F. Power Metal
1. Iced Earth - Burnt Offerings
2. Blind Guardian - Nightfall on Middle Earth
3. Lost Horizon - A Flame to the Ground Beneath
4. Kamelot - The Black Halo
5. Gamma Ray - Land of the Free

G. Progressive Metal
1. Orphaned Land - Mabool: The Story of the Three Sons of Seven
2. Arcturus - The Sham Mirrors
3. Opeth - Blackwater Park
4. Cynic - Focus
5. Edge of Sanity - Crimson

H. Folk/Viking Metal
1. Ulver - Bergtatt
2. Agalloch - The Mantle
3. Falkenbach - Magni Blandinn Ok Megintiri
4. Summoning - Let Mortal Heroes Sing Your Fame
5. Windir - Arntor

I. Grind
1. Terrorizer - World Downfall
2. Repulsion - Horrified
3. Insect Warfare - World Extermination
4. Nasum - Shift
5. Carcass - Symphonies of Sickness

M. Drone/Traditional & Stoner Sludge Metal
1. Sleep - Sleep's Holy Mountain
2. Electric Wizard - Witchcult Today
3. Om - Conference of Birds
4. Boris - Amplifier Worship
5. Sunn O))) - Flight of the Behemoth

F. Post-Rock/Post-Metal/"Atmospheric Sludge Metal"
1. Isis - Panopticon
2. Jesu - Silver
3. Sigur Ros - Ágætis Byrjun
4. Neurosis - Through Silver In Blood
5. Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Slow Riot for New Zero Kanada

I only did the ones I could fill out but I'm pretty happy with this list.

[masscows]

so wait, is this a like, 'most important to the genre list' or a 'favorite/best albums in the genre in ones' own opinion' list?

I filled out as the former x_x

[Collis]

Where do maudlin of the Well fit into?

[Stevie II]

the former

[Angmar]

Yeah, it's all about personal taste.

Where do maudlin of the Well fit into?

I'd say progressive metal.

[Iluvatar]

Industrial.

[UmphreysHead]

A. Traditional Heavy Metal
1. Iron Maiden - Number Of The Beast
2. Black Sabbath - Paranoid
3. Dio - Holy Diver
4. Motorhead - Ace Of Spades
5.

A. Classic Rock'
1. The Who - Quadrophenia
2. Led Zeppelin - IV
3. Creedence Clearwater Revival - Mardi Gras
4.
5.

I. Jam Rock
1. Grateful Dead - Europe '72
2. Phish - New Year's Eve 1995
3. The Allman Brothers Band - Live At The Fillmore East
4. String Cheese Incident - A String Cheese Incident Live
5.

H. Psychedelic Rock
1. Jimi Hendrix Experience - Axis: Bold As Love
2. The Beatles - Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
3. Pink Floyd - Piper At The Gates Of Dawn
4. Cream - Disraeli Gears
5.

K. Folk Rock
1. Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited
2. Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young - Deja Vu
3. Neil Young - Harvest
4.
5.

[Jom]

so wait, is this a like, 'most important to the genre list' or a 'favorite/best albums in the genre in ones' own opinion' list?

I filled out as the former x_x

You're right - these are essential, genre-defining albums, not your favorite albums... why would we do that if we've already done that already?

[masscows]

IDK, I just saw CTAWB and TGTNW on Angmar's list and I don't really consider them historically important despite the fact that they're awesome. Doesn't matter but whatever.

[Stevie II]

Angmar seems to think it is personal taste! :o

[Jom]

Well, some personal bias is going to understandably percolate in some votes, but the aim of course is to compile a list of albums that best define the genres people are filling out. In some ways, it is based on personal taste (you are only picking the genre(s) you are most competent in), but it is indeed an exercise at attempting objectivity, haha.

The reason why it is not based solely on personal taste and more on "What albums best constitute [this genre]?" is because we have already done all-time favorite albums in R&M. Why re-invent the wheel? This is going to be something much more thorough because it's going to have genre descriptions, ten albums per genre, and so forth. The final product is going to look awesome, I can promise you guys that.

[Eliminator]

A. Traditional Heavy Metal
1. Black Sabbath - Master of Reality
2. Venom - Black Metal
3. Motorhead - Ace of Spades
4. Manilla Road - Crystal Logic
5. Dio - Holy Diver

B. Death Metal
1. Death - Human
2. Terrorizer - World Downfall
3. Autopsy - Severed Survival
4. Suffocation - Pierced From Within
5. Cryptopsy - None So Vile

C. Thrash Metal
1. Slayer - Reign in Blood
2. Nuclear Assault - Survive
3. Cryptic Slaughter - Convicted
4. Metallica - Master of Puppets
5. Sodom - Persecution Mania

D. Black Metal
1. Burzum - Hvis Lyset Tar Oss
2. Darkthrone - Transylvanian Hunger
3. Beherit - Drawing Down the Moon
4. Root - Hell Symphony
5. Von - Satanic Blood

H. Doom Metal
1. Reverend Bizarre - In the Rectory of the Bizarre Reverend
2. Saint Vitus - Saint Vitus
3. Pagan Altar - Mythical & Magical
4. Candlemass - Nightfall
5. Winter - Into Darkness

G. Progressive Metal
1. Opeth - Blackwater Park
2. Cynic - Focus
3. maudlin of the Well - Bath
4. Edge of Sanity - Crimson
5. Atheist - Unquestionable Presence

I. Grind
1. Assuck - Misery Index
2. Infest - Slave
3. Repulsion - Horrified
4. Discordance Axis - Jouhou
5. Brutal Truth - Extreme Conditions Demand Extreme Responses

M. Drone/Traditional & Stoner Sludge Metal
1. Sleep - Dopesmoker
2. Nadja - Thaumogenesis
3. Grief - Come to Grief
4. Sunn O))) - Flight of the Behemoth
5. Electric Wizard - Dopethrone

A. Classic Rock
1. The Beatles - Revolver
2. The Velvet Underground - White Light/White Heat
3. Bruce Springsteen - Born to Run
4. Creedence Clearwater Revival - Cosmo's Factory
5. The Who - Live at Leeds

E. Alternative
1. The Flaming Lips - Transmissions from the Satellite Heart
2. Pixies - Surfer Rosa
3. My Bloody Valentine - Loveless
4. Guided By Voices - Bee Thousand
5. Daniel Johnston - Songs of Pain

F. Post-Rock/Post-Metal/"Atmospheric Sludge Metal"
1. Slint - Spiderland
2. Talk Talk - Laughing Stock
3. Tortoise - Millions Now Living Will Never Die
4. Isis - Panopticon
5. Mogwai - Young Team

G. Progressive Rock
1. King Crimson - Larks Tongue in Aspic
2. Camel - The Snow Goose
3. Gong - You
4. Yes - Fragile
5. Magma - Mekanïk Destruktïw Kommandöh

H. Psychedelic Rock
1. Flower Travellin' Band - Satori
2. White Heaven - Out
3. Kousokuya - 1st
4. Acid Mothers Temple & the Melting Paraiso UFO - Electric Heavyland
5. Spacemen 3 - The Perfect Prescription

K. Folk Rock
1. The Byrds - Sweetheart of the Rodeo
2. Neil Young - Harvest
3. Fairport Convention - Unhalfbricking
4. Bob Dylan - Blood on the Tracks
5. Uncle Tupelo - Anodyne

L. Krautrock
1. Can - Future Days
2. Neu! - Neu!
3. Ash Ra Tempel - Ash Ra Tempel
4. Popol Vuh - In den Gärten Pharaos
5. La Düsseldorf - La Düsseldorf

M. Noise Rock
1. Sonic Youth - Confusion is Sex
2. Les Rallizes Denudes - Live '77
3. The Jesus Lizard - Goat
4. Lightning Bolt - Wonderful Rainbow
5. Big Black - Atomizer

[masscows]

I'd put Terrorizer under grind and Atheist under death metal x/

[Eliminator]

terrorizer have a lot more death metal to their sound than grind

and if cynic is going to be put in prog. metal, why not atheist?

[Pete]

A. Traditional Heavy Metal
1. Motörhead - Ace of Spades
2. Iron Maiden - Number of the Beast
3. Judas Priest - Painkiller
4. Deep Purple - In Rock
5. Black Sabbath - Paranoid

B. Death Metal
1. Death - Symbolic
2. At the Gates - Slaughter of the Soul
3. Dismember - Like an Ever Flowing Stream
4. Deicide - Legion
5. Cryptopsy - None so Vile

C. Thrash Metal
1. Slayer - Reign in Blood
2. Dark Angel - Darkness Descends
3. Kreator - Extreme Aggression
4. Megadeth - Rust in Piece
5.

D. Black Metal
1. Emperor - In the Nightside Eclipse
2. Dissection - Storm of the Light's Bane
3. Mayhem - De Mysteriis dom Satanas
4. Immortal - Blizzard Beasts
5. Dark Funeral - Vobiscum Satanas

F. Power Metal
1. Dragonforce - Inhuman Rampage
2. Running Wild - Under Jolly Roger
3. Rhapsody - Symphony of Enchanted Lands
4. Hammerfall - Glory to the Brave
5.

H. Folk/Viking Metal
1. Amon Amarth - Once Sent from the Golden Hall
2. Finntroll - Jakten Tid
3. Windir - 1184
4.
5.

I. Grind
1. Napalm Death - Scum
2. Nasum - Human 2.0
3. Circle of Dead Children - Human Harvest
4. Agoraphobic Nosebleed - Altered States of America
5. Cattle Decapitation - Humanure

J. Metalcore
1. Converge - Jane Doe
2. Shai Hulud - Hearts Once Nourished with Hope and Compassion
3. Despised Icon - The Healing Process
4. Dillinger Escape Plan - Calculating Infinity
5. Indecision - Most Precious Blood

K. Nu/Mainstream Metal
1. Metallica - S/T
2. System of a Down - Toxicity
3.
4.
5.

[masscows]

I. Grind
1. Napalm Death - Scum
2. Nasum - Human 2.0
3. Circle of Dead Children - Human Harvest
4. Agoraphobic Nosebleed - Altered States of America
5. Cannibal Corpse - Butchered at Birth



what the hellterrorizer have a lot more death metal to their sound than grind

and if cynic is going to be put in prog. metal, why not atheist?I've always thought of Terrorizer as being way more important to grind than death metal but mmmk

Cynic has alot more different elements in their music than Atheist, whereas methinks Atheist is much, much more death metal oriented.

[encmetalhead]

A. Traditional Heavy Metal
1. Ozzy - (haven't decided yet)
2.
3.
4.
5.

B. Death Metal
1.
2. At The Gates - Slaughter of the soul
3.
4.
5.

C. Thrash Metal
1. Megadeth - Peace Sells...But who's Buying
2. Slayer - Reign in Blood
3.
4.
5.

J. Metalcore
1. 7 Angels 7 Plagues - Jhazmyne's Lullaby
2. Converge-Jane Doe
3. Skycamefalling - 10.21
4. Architects - Ruin
5. Botch - We Are The Romans

K. Nu/Mainstream Metal
1. Linkin Park - Hybrid Theory
2. System of a Down - Toxicity
3.
4.
5.


A. Classic Rock
1. Jimi Hendrix - Are You Exprienced?
2.
3.
4.
5. Led Zep. - IV

H. Psychedelic Rock
1. Pink Flyod - Dark Side of The Moon
2.
3.
4.
5.

I. Jam Rock
1. Grateful Dead - Workingman's Dead
2.
3.
4.
5.

[Eliminator]

I've always thought of Terrorizer as being way more important to grind than death metal but mmmk yeah probably but the album is still basically death metal so ...

[Stevie II]

cannibal corpse = death metal

[Pete]

i couldn't fit it in death though. maybe thats not a good reason, idk

edit: fine, are you happier now that i've edited

[Txus]

I feel like some of the stuff in some lists are written there because of pure personal taste and not because they're important to the genre. In my case, I ****ing hate a couple of albums in there but I understand that they are cornerstones to the genre.

yeah, whatever.

Nick: Terrorizer might fall in death metal, but they were more relevant to the grindcore scene.

[Eliminator]

"Definitive 'Relevant to Other Genre' R&M Albums"

[masscows]

meh, I still think it's just as grind as it is death metal but it's more historically important to grind

[dinosaurxbrocore]

J. Metalcore
1. Converge - Jane Doe
2. Botch - We Are The Romans
3. Misery Signals - Of Malice And The Magnum Heart
4. 7 Angels 7 Plagues - Jhazmyne's Lullaby
5. Rifles At Recess - To Whisper In Tongues

B. Death Metal (in the modern sense)
1. Cryptopsy - None So Vile
2. Suffocation - Pierced From Within
3. Immolation - Dawn Of Posession
4. Animosity - Empires
5. Despised Icon - The Healing Process

[encmetalhead]

I feel like some of the stuff in some lists are written there because of pure personal taste and not because they're important to the genre. In my case, I ****ing hate a couple of albums in there but I understand that they are cornerstones to the genre.

yeah, whatever.

Nick: Terrorizer might fall in death metal, but they were more relevant to the grindcore scene.

me with Grateful Dead and maybe Jimi

[2muchket!]

goood to see others contrubuting to metalcore

[UmphreysHead]

me with Grateful Dead and maybe Jimi

Then don't include it.

[encmetalhead]

no they deserve to be in top 5 but i like that album over the others and i went with acutal studio albums as far as GD is concerned

[Collis]

Jeffy B surely has to be top in whatever poll he falls under...

Surely!?

[Crimson]

Death Metal

1. Cryptopsy - None So Vile
2. Entombed - Left Hand Path
3. Death - Scream Bloody Gore

Progressive Metal

1. Orphaned Land - Mabool
2. Edge Of Sanity - Crimson
3. Opeth - My Arms, Your Hearse
4. Cynic - Focus

Doom Metal

1. Candlemass - Epicus Doomicus Mettalicus
2. Reverend Bizzare - In The Rectory of the Bizzare Reverend

Metalcore

1. Converge - Jane Doe
2. Botch - We Are The Romans

These are really only albums that I feel are pretty important, so yeah, not as many as I'd like, but I struggle to think of many real genre-defining / perfect representations of genres.

[Eliminator]

good effort

[UmphreysHead]

no they deserve to be in top 5 but i like that album over the others and i went with acutal studio albums as far as GD is concerned

Just as long as you think it defines the respective genres it's fine.

[Obsequies]

B. Death Metal (in the modern sense)
1. Cryptopsy - None So Vile
2. Suffocation - Pierced From Within
3. Immolation - Dawn Of Posession
4. Animosity - Empires
5. Despised Icon - The Healing Process

How the **** do lame, unimportant metalcore albums constitute definitive death metal albums? Are you a retard?

[Jom]

It's presumably a compromise because people vetoed the inclusion of "deathcore."

[Silenius]

I feel like some of the stuff in some lists are written there because of pure personal taste and not because they're important to the genre. In my case, I ****ing hate a couple of albums in there but I understand that they are cornerstones to the genre.

Yeah adding Opeth to Progressive Metal definitely hurt. :(

[Eliminator]

mny dick in yo *** defintiely hurt

[ThrashMaster27]

Ok, lets give it a shot.

A. Traditional Heavy Metal
1. Black Sabbath - Paranoid
2. Judas Priest - Sad Wings of Destiny
3. Motorhead - Ace of Spades
4. Iron Maiden - Number of the Beast
5. Saxon - Power and the Glory

B. Death Metal
1. Possessed - Seven Churches
2. Death - Scream Bloody Gore
3. Obituary - Cause of Death
4. Deicide - Deicide
5. Suffocation - Effigy of the Forgotten

C. Thrash Metal
1. Exodus - Bonded By Blood
2. Kreator - Pleasure to Kill
3. Metallica - Kill 'Em All
4. Megadeth - Peace Sells... But Who's Buying?
5. Sepultura - Beneath The Remains

F. Power Metal
1. Jag Panzer - Ample Destruction
2. Helloween - Keeper of the Seven Keys I
3. Iced Earth - Burnt Offerings
4. Blind Guardian - Nightfall on Middle Earth
5. Gamma Ray - Heading for Tomorrow

I. Grind
1. Terrorizer - World Downfall
2. Napalm Death - Scum
3. Carcass - Reek of Putrefaction
4. Repulsion - Horrified
5. Bolt Thrower - In Battle There is No Law

K. Nu/Mainstream Metal
1. System of a down - System of a Down
2. Korn - Korn
3. Slipknot - Slipknot
4.
5.

That's all I'm going to attempt.

[FatalEnergy]

A. Traditional Heavy Metal
1. Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath
2. Judas Priest - Sad Wings of Destiny
3. W.A.S.P. - Self titled
4. Iron Maiden - Killers
5. Mercyful Fate - Melissa

B. Death Metal
1. Atheist - Piece of Time
2. Possessed - Seven Churches
3. Massacre - From Beyond
4. Pestilence - Consuming Impulse
5. Death - Scream Bloody Gore

C. Thrash Metal
1. Morbid Saint - Spectrum of Death
2. Slayer - Hell Awaits
3. Sadus - Illusions/Chemical Exposure
4. Kreator - Pleasure to Kill
5. Destruction - Release From Agony

D. Black Metal
1. Bathory - The Return
2. Celtic Frost - To Mega Therion
3. Venom - Black Metal
4. Mayhem - Deathcrush
5. Burzum - Seltitled

E. Doom Metal
1. Candlemass - Epicus Doomicus Metallicus
2. Reverend Bizarre - In the Rectory of the Bizarre Reverend
3. Solitude Aeturnus - Beyond the Crimson Horizon
4. Pagan Altar - Volume I
5. Witchfinder General - Death Penalty

F. Power Metal
1. Blind Guardian - Imaginations From the Otherside
2. Riot - Thundersteel
3. Helloween - Walls of Jericho
4. Savatage - Hall of the Mountain King
5. Grave Digger - Rheingold

G. Progressive Metal
1. Fates Warning - No Exit
2. Spastic Ink - Ink Complete
3. Cynic - Focus
4. Opeth - Morningrise
5. Arcturus - The Sham Mirrors

H. Folk/Viking Metal
1. Skyclad - The Wayward Sons of Mother Earth
2. Finntroll - Jaktens Tid
3. Falkenbach - Ok Nefna Tysvar Ty
4. Primordial - A Journey's End
5. Agalloch - Pale Folklore

I. Grind
1. Carcass - Reek of Putrefaction
2. Terrorizer - World Downfall
3. Repulsion - Horrified
4. Napalm Death - Scum
5.

L. Industrial
1. Ministry - Psalm 69
2. Godflesh - Streetcleaner
3.
4.
5.

M. Drone/Traditional & Stoner Sludge Metal
1. Boris - Amplifier Worship
2. Sunn O))) - Black One
3.
4.
5.


ROCK

C. Hard Rock/Hair Metal/Sleaze
1. Motley Crue - Shout at the Devil
2. Skid Row - Slave to the Grind
3. Dokken - Tooth and Nail
4. Twisted Sister - Stay Hungry
5.

E. Alternative
1. Primus - Sailing the Seas of Cheese
2.
3.
4.
5.

G. Progressive Rock
1. Rush - 2112
2. Frank Zappa - Hot Rats
3. Genesis - Selling England By the Pound
4. Emerson, Lake, and Palmer - Tarkus
5. Orne - The Conjuration By the Fire

H. Psychedelic Rock
1. Pink Floyd - Atom Heart Mother
2. Captain Beefheart - Trout Mask Replica
3. Hawkwind - Hall Of The Mountain Grill
4.
5.

K. Folk Rock
1. Sol Invictus - Against the Modern World
2. Current 93 - All The Pretty Little Horses (The Inmost Light)
3. Comus - First Utterance
4. Faun Fables - Transit Rider
5. Forest - Full Circle

N. Stoner Rock
1. Blue Cheer - Vincebus Eruptum
2. Spiritual Beggars -Self Titled
3.
4.
5.

[Stevie II]

W.a.s.p.?

[Riva]

METAL

A. Traditional Heavy Metal
1. Judas Priest - Stained Class
2. Black Sabbath - Master Of Reality
3. Manowar - Hail To England
4. Iron Maiden - Number Of The Beast
5. Metallica - ...And Justice For All

B. Death Metal
1. Morbid Angel - Blessed Are The Sick
2. Death - Scream Bloody Gore
3. Obituary - Cause Of Death
4. Possessed - Seven Churches
5. Therion - Of Darkness

C. Thrash Metal
1. Slayer - Reign In Blood
2. Testament - The Legacy
3. Kreator - Pleasure To Kill
4. Sodom - Agent Orange
5. Agent Steel - Unstoppable Force

F. Power Metal

The offshoot of '80s speed metal, power metal came into its own as a mix of traditional heavy metal aesthetics with highly melodic guitar leads and ball-bursting falsettos. Whilst many would describe it as "swords and sorcerers" metal, this is an unfair summary of modern day power metal. From the balls-to-the-wall sound of genre heavyweights Manowar to the epic high fantasy content of Rhapsody of Fire's music, power metal contains something to please any metal fan; be it Sabaton's gritty presentation of modern history, Blind Guardian's tribute to Tolkien, Lost Horizon's belief in the power of oneself or Running Wild's rum-and-roll antics. Indeed, there seem to be only two rules in power metal: 1) Make it loud and make it powerful and 2) You will be huge in Japan.

1. Helloween - Keeper Of The Seven Keys Pt. I
2. Gamma Ray - Somewhere Out In Space
3. Dungeon - A Rise To Power
4. Lost Horizon - Awakening The World
5. Rhapsody - Symphony Of Enchanted Lands

This was a tough choice; I only dropped Therion's Theli at the last minute, since I felt Symphony Of Enchanted Lands is more definitive of epic/symphonic power metal, despite Theli being chronologically older.

H. Folk/Viking Metal
1. Skyclad - Folkemon
2. Mithotyn - In The Sign Of The Ravens
3. Einherjer - Dragons Of The North
4. Pagan Reign - Tverd
5. Falkenbach - Heralding The Fireblade

L. Industrial
1. Samael - Reign Of Light
2.
3.
4.
5.

ROCK

A. Classic Rock
1. Deep Purple - In Rock
2. The Beach Boys - Endless Summer
3. Creedence Clearwater Revival - Willy And The Poor Boys
4. The Kinks - Lola versus Powerman and the Money-Go-Round
5. The Who - Who's Next

B. Mainstream Rock
1. Jeff Buckley - Grace
2. Pink Floyd - The Wall*
3. INXS - Kick
4. Midnight Oil - Diesel And Dust
5. Split Enz - Frenzy

C. Hard Rock/Hair Metal/Sleaze
1. Motley Crue - Shout At The Devil
2. Extreme - Pornograffiti
3. Alice Cooper - Trash
4. Twisted Sister - Stay Hungry
5. Guns N Roses - Appetite For Destruction

D. Pop Rock/Powerpop/Glam Rock
1. Marvelous 3 - ReadySexGo
2. Barenaked Ladies - Stunt
3. Kiss - Destroyer
4. Spin Doctors - Pocket Full Of Kryptonite
5. The Angels - Face To Face

E. Alternative
1. Dredg - Catch Without Arms
2. Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation
3.
4.
5.

F. Post-Rock/Post-Metal/"Atmospheric Sludge Metal"
1. Ef - Give Me Beauty Or Give Me Death!
2. Isis - Panopticon
3. A Silver Mt. Zion - He Has Alone But Shafts Of Light Sometimes Grace The Corners Of Our Room
4. Explosions In The Sky - The Earth Is Not A Cold Dead Place
5. Red Sparrowes - At The Soundless Dawn

G. Progressive Rock
1. Pink Floyd - Animals**
2. King Crimson - Three Of A Perfect Pair
3. Dream Theater - Images And Words
4. Riverside - Out Of Myself
5. Genesis - Selling England By The Pound

H. Psychedelic Rock
1. The Beatles - Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
2. Pink Floyd - Piper At The Gates Of Dawn***
3. Syd Barrett - The Madcap Laughs
4. The Chocolate Watchband - No Way Out
5.

J. Fusion
1. Al Di Meola - Flesh On Flesh
2. Mahavishnu Orchestra - Birds Of Fire
3. Bill Bruford - One Of A Kind
4. Jean-Luc Ponty - Enigmatic Ocean
5. Frank Gambale - Thunder From Down Under

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* - If the current rule about one band is upheld (despite the band going through major changes in sound), then please disregard this album and slide the lower albums up a place.

** - As per the above rule, please keep this album.

*** - As per the above rule, please remove this album, slide everything up and then put The Doors - The Doors at the bottom.

[MetalOz]

Power Metal

1. Helloween - Keeper Of The Seven Keys Pt. I
2. Gamma Ray - Somewhere Out In Space
3. Manowar - Hail To England
4. Lost Horizon - Awakening The World
5. Rhapsody - Symphony Of Enchanted Lands



This is a good list but Manowar is too far in the traditional corner to make my list... Blind Guardian should be in there :thumb:

[Stormrider]

F. Power Metal
1. Jag Panzer - Ample Destruction

I think he is the only person to have put this album in his list. HUGE lack of Ample Destruction here!

[Riva]

I think he is the only person to have put this album in his list. HUGE lack of Ample Destruction here!

It's a great album, but I don't really see what it did for power metal that hadn't been done before.

This is a good list but Manowar is too far in the traditional corner to make my list... Blind Guardian should be in there :thumb:

Good point, when I finalise my Traditional list I will swap out Manowar for another band/album.

[Tyr]

I wonder if I'm too lazy to compile a list? I'm thinking "yes".

[the2stranger]

A. Traditional Heavy Metal
1.
2. Iron Maiden - Number Of The Beast
3. Black Sabbath - Paranoid
4.
5.

B. Death Metal
1. Death - Scream Bloody Gore
2. Necrophagist - Epitaph
3. Immolation - Unholy Cult
4. Cannibal Corpse - Tomb Of The Mutilated
5. Entombed - Left Hand Path

C. Thrash Metal
1. Metallica - Kill 'Em All
2. Slayer - Reign In Blood
3. Megadeth - Rust In Peace
4.
5.

D. Black Metal
1. Burzum - Filosofem
2. Mayhem - De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas
3. Bathory - Blood Fire Death
4. Darkthrone - Transilvanian Hunger
5. Ulver - Nattens Madrigal

E. Doom Metal
1. Candlemass - Nightfall
2. Solitude Aeturnus - Beyond the Crimson Horizon
3. Reverend Bizarre - In The Rectory Of The Bizarre Reverend
4. Sahg - I
5. Lamented Souls - The Origins Of Misery

F. Power Metal
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

G. Progressive Metal
1. Opeth - Still Life
2. Dream Theater- Images & Words
3. Arcturus - The Sham Mirrors
4. Unexpect - In A Flesh Aquarium
5.

H. Folk/Viking Metal
1. Windir - 1184
2. Ulver - Bergtatt
3. Enslaved - Eld
4. Borknagar - The Olden Domain
5. Amon Amarth - Vs. The World

I. Grind
1. Napalm Death - Scum
2. Carcass - Reek of Putrefaction
3. Cephalic Carnage - Anomalies
4.
5.

J. Metalcore
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

K. Nu/Mainstream Metal
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

L. Industrial
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

M. Drone/Traditional & Stoner Sludge Metal
1. Nadja - Bodycage
2. The Angelic Process - Weighing Souls With Sand
3. Jesu - s/t
4. Bongzilla - Amerijuanican
5. Corrupted - El Mundo Frio

Meh, not too sure about this list.
But good enough for now.

[Stevie II]

You have Metallica in two lists which is disallowed. we have it under thrash

[the2stranger]

Oopsie.
/Edits.

[Eliminator]

K. Folk Rock
1. Sol Invictus - Against the Modern World
2. Current 93 - All The Pretty Little Horses (The Inmost Light)
3. Comus - First Utterance
4. Faun Fables - Transit Rider
5. Forest - Full Circle lol none of those are really folk rock

[Angmar]

I. Grind
1. Napalm Death - Scum
2. Carcass - Symphonies of Sickness
3. Repulsion - Horrified
4. Godflesh - Streetcleaner

wut?

[Stevie II]

you consider them industrial?

[Angmar]

Yes, indeed I do.

[Stevie II]

yeah, ill put it under industrial

[hornpout]

C. Thrash Metal

1. Slayer - Reign in Blood
2. Sepultura - Beneath the Remains
3. Anthrax - Spreading the Disease
4. Metallica - Master of Puppets
5. Testament - The Legacy

[FatalEnergy]

W.a.s.p.?

Yes, ****ing WASP.

That is one of the ultimate heavy metal albums. People tend to overlook them just because they were from the LA scene.

[Silenius]

Folk/Viking Metal

A blend of traditional melodies and metal, this folk and viking metal are heavily inspired by Northern European mythology and culture. Bathory was the first band to use this inspiration for their lyrics, aesthetics, and music on their album Blood Fire Death which was the birth of Viking Metal. Bands like Falkenbach have expanded on Bathory's original vision by changing up instrumentation to include flutes and acoustic guitars. These sections of traditional folk music are commonly used to contrast the black/heavy metal basis of most bands in the genre. Other bands like Amon Amarth purely rely on lyrics to convey their Viking themes, otherwise playing a solid Melodic Death Metal style. The use of clean vocals and large choir vocals is also common, such as Ensiferum's "Battle Song" chorus. The genre is wide musically, but it is unified by themes of bravery, paganism, battle, and nature.

1. Bathory - Blood Fire Death
2. Ensiferum - Ensiferum
3. Equilibrium - Turis Fratyr
4. Falkenbach - Ok Nefna Tysvar Ty
5. Amon Amarth - Fate of Norns

[2muchket!]

What would define Sonic Youth as ?

I've got 'em down as Alt Rock

[Eliminator]

depends on the period

[Jom]

Daydream Nation is under Alternative so far, but Confusion is Sex is under noise rock. Sonic Youth won't be showing up in more than one genre; however, they could show up in the genre descriptions more than once.

[Eliminator]

confusion is sex UGH

[Riva]

Yeah, Eliminator's right. Noise Is Sex should be under confusion rock.

[UmphreysHead]

What is going to happen if a band shows up in two separate genres as having an album in the top ten? Like for example PF might have DSOTM for Prog. Rock, but may have PATGOD in Psychedelic. I've noticed throughout the thread they've been put under both genres, but which is the "correct" one since they were at one point Psychedelic and moved into progressive later?

[Jom]

That's for the masses to debate, but I have an alternative in case things go awry. If people have suggestions, I would be more than happy to consider/implement them.

[Riva]

I'd like to continue using Pink Floyd as an example;

You could pretty much highlight three broad stages in their sound; from psychadelic rock to progressive/space rock to a sort of quasi-classic mainstream rock. I may be a fairly large fanboy, but I would still objectively suggest that Piper At The Gates Of Dawn, Animals and The Wall were definitive or essential to their respective genres.

But I'll happily abide by the decision of my peers (except for Spat Out Homosexual, I hate that guy).

[Jom]

I don't have a problem with that if it's the consensus, I just don't want Blackwater Park showing up under four genres or Metallica showing up in all fourteen.

[Riva]

True. Only abnormal, sub-human, semi-evolved, dissected simians like Opeth and/or Metallica.

EDIT: Quasi-lobotomised also.

[dinosaurxbrocore]

How the **** do lame, unimportant metalcore albums constitute definitive death metal albums? Are you a retard?

deathcore you stupid ****, they're definitive of that specific style

[Obsequies]

That's not death metal. Please **** off and kill yourself you raging large bundle of sticks.

[rasputin]

So is your face.

[Stevie II]

That's not death metal. Please **** off and kill yourself you raging large bundle of sticks.

they shouldnt make the final cut so it won't really matter

[Interviewer/surveyer]

Traditional

1. Black Sabbath-Paranoid
2. The Number of the Beast-Maiden
3. Judas Priest-Screaming for Vengeance

Death Metal

1. Necrophagist-Epitaph
2. Death-Symbolic
3. At The Gates-Slaughter of the Soul


Progressive Metal

1. Opeth-Ghost Reveries
2. Death-The Sound of Perseverence
3. Opeth-Still Life
4. Meshuggah- Destroy Erase Improve

Thrash Metal

1. Megadeth-Rust In Peace
2. Slayer-Reign in Blood
3. Pantera-Vulgar Display of Power
4. Lamb of God-Ashes in the Wake
5. Slayer-Seasons in the Abyss

Metalcore

1. Unearth-In the Eyes of Fire
2. Killswitch Engage-The Heart of Everything

Progressive Rock

1. Rush-Fly By Night

Hard Rock/Sleaze

1. Motley Crue-Shout at the Devil

Nu/Mainstream Metal

1. System of a Down-Self Titled
2. Korn-Self Titled
3. System of a Down-Hypnotize

Traditional Rock/Hard Rock

1. Sevendust-Self Titled

[Stevie II]

pantera not thrash

[repcak]

B. Death Metal
1. Death - Scream Bloody Gore
2. Morbid Angel - Altars of Madness
3. At the Gates - Slaughter of Soul
4. Necrophagist - Epitaph
5. In Flames - Colony

C. Thrash Metal
1. Slayer - Reign In Blood
2. Metallica - Master of Puppets
3. Machine Head - The Blackening
4.
5.

G. Progressive Metal
1.
2. Arcturus - La Masquerade Infernale
3. Opeth - Orchid
4. Symphony X - The Divine Wings of Tragedy
5.

I. Grind
1.
2. Cephalic Carnage - Anomalies
3.
4.
5.

L. Industrial
1.
2. Ministry - Psalm 69
3. Nine Inch Nails - The Downward Spiral
4.
5.

M. Drone/Traditional & Stoner Sludge Metal
1. My Dying Bride - Turn Loose The Swans
2. Anathema - Serenades
3. Novembre - Dream D'Azures
4. Shape of Despair - Angel of Distress
5.

[Interviewer/surveyer]

pantera not thrash
V.D.O.P has just as much thrash as Master of Puppets does. So yeah, they are thrash.

[Eliminator]

no they aren't.


i guess you aren't capable of reading the guidelines either

[masscows]

yeah interviewer dude needs to read the rules

and WHY THE **** IS NECROPHAGIST GETTING SO MANY VOTES ****ING **** **** BALLS ****

[dinosaurxbrocore]

That's not death metal. Please **** off and kill yourself you raging large bundle of sticks.

you're a retard, good day sir

[Stevie II]

V.D.O.P has just as much thrash as Master of Puppets does. So yeah, they are thrash.

hah! you don't know your thrash!

and you can't have more than one band twice in a list

[dinosaurxbrocore]

they shouldnt make the final cut so it won't really matter

they should though, you can't just ignore the fact that death metal now is pretty different than how death metal used to be, and those albums pretty much define that sound

this is why i said in the first place that deathcore should be allowed, because it's really barely metalcore and though it is pretty much death metal, little girls will get their panties in a bunch

[Eliminator]

um im pretty sure he meant that they wont make the final cut

[Stevie II]

you're justifying including them because deathcore isn't there? just because deathcore isn't there that doesn't mean that essential death metal should include some hybrid genre stuff in there.

[masscows]

little girls will get their panties in a bunch

irony

and they shouldn't make the list because both of those albums just came out like 2-3 years ago and deathcore will fade away in another 2-3 years so they're pretty inconsequential.

[dinosaurxbrocore]

my package is in a bunch, not my panties
you're justifying including them because deathcore isn't there? just because deathcore isn't there that doesn't mean that essential death metal should include some hybrid genre stuff in there.

but saying that it's not definitive of the modern death metal sound is absolutely retarded

[Stevie II]

but saying that it's not definitive of the modern death metal sound is absolutely retarded

no, it's absolutely true. that stuff isn't death metal and just because it's popular today that doesn't make it death metal regardless of where death metal has evolved. by that logic morbid angel is as much thrash metal as slayer because it evolved from thrash metal.

[dinosaurxbrocore]

but just because you keep saying isn't death metal, doesn't make it true

it's like saying cryptopsy isn't death metal because they don't sound exactly like oldschool entombed

[Stevie II]

heh, ditto.

[masscows]

I wouldn't put any deathcore album anywhere near a death metal essentials list

[Stevie II]

deathcore isn't included in the list and that doesn't mean you should try to fit it into the other genres.

[dinosaurxbrocore]

what's the main difference between deathcore and death metal? more breakdowns than normal and maybe one tuffguy hardcore part every couple of songs

how the hell does this make it a completely different genre?

[masscows]

It doesn't, I just don't see how that sort of thing is 'essential and definitive'. Most of it's just made to be played live anyway. It's so...inane...

[dinosaurxbrocore]

because those albums absolutely define the "deathcore" sound, also you specifically haven't proven anything, just saying

[2muchket!]

yeah interviewer dude needs to read the rules

and WHY THE **** IS NECROPHAGIST GETTING SO MANY VOTES ****ING **** **** BALLS ****

becuase they own

deathcore as sub genre belongs on the death metal list as much as melo-death also belongs on there.

[masscows]

They're unimportant in the wide scope of things. Deathcore is a trend.

Yeah Necrophagist is unimportant too, regardless of how 'good' you think they are.

[Stevie II]

as i have said before it is a hybrid genre of death metal and metalcore, hence it serves as a terrible example of what death metal is anyway.

deathcore has its roots in metalcore adding death metal elements. that doesnt make it death metal.

[dinosaurxbrocore]

death metal in the first place was a hybrid genre!

deathcore is really just death metal + hardcore parts, it's pretty different from your standard metalcore, and deathcore bands tend to be much much much more influenced by death metal than any hardcore or metalcore.

[Stevie II]

death metal in the first place was a hybrid genre!

think before you post....that actually says nothing to say that deathcore is death metal, and it actually says that a hybrid genre is a separate genre...unless you're saying that death metal is thrash metal and....that other genre you think is hybrid of death metal which is????

[masscows]

mappy, stop being a queer, we've all heard it a billion times and don't care. It's death metal made by metalcore kids for metalcore kids.

[dinosaurxbrocore]

think before you post....that actually says nothing to say that deathcore is death metal, and it actually says that a hybrid genre is a separate genre...unless you're saying that death metal is thrash metal and....that other genre you think is hybrid of death metal which is????
death metal is a hybrid of ska and hip hop
mappy, stop being a queer, we've all heard it a billion times and don't care. It's death metal made by metalcore kids for metalcore kids.

you try too hard

[Stevie II]

deathcore is really just death metal + hardcore parts, it's pretty different from your standard metalcore, and deathcore bands tend to be much much much more influenced by death metal than any hardcore or metalcore.

so now you're saying it's not death metal...

explain to me please why a top 10 death metal list should include non death metal? or should we include slayer under traditional heavy metal because it's influenced by iron maiden?

[Stevie II]

death metal is a hybrid of ska and hip hop

you wanna answer properly lest expose yourself as being clueless about death metal?

[masscows]

you try too hard

apparently not hard enough to get you to stop having a ****ing hissyfit about something this stupid

[2muchket!]

They're unimportant in the wide scope of things. Deathcore is a trend.

Yeah Necrophagist is unimportant too, regardless of how 'good' you think they are.

Deathcore should be included and well as far as modern DM I consider Necrophagist as do many others an essential band

[dinosaurxbrocore]

:facepalm:

[Stevie II]

lol

jom - should we have a deadline for submissions? they're starting to dry up imo

[Jom]

No deadline just yet, but I'll make an announcement tomorrow to try to induce more participation. That's when the final thread will go up.

[Silenius]

Regarding Necrophagist, I put them on the list as a definitive band in the technical death metal genre.

[Riva]

Jom: I think maybe you add Deathcore to the list. I understand where both Mappy and Stevie are coming from, but I don't know how to resolve it fairly for both parties. If you have a better solution to the problem, by all means do so, but I think maybe just separating the "old school death sound" from the "newer death/hardcore sound" would make the list more robust as well as halving the amount of bitching so far.

[Dave de Sylvia]

But I'll happily abide by the decision of my peers (except for Spat Out Homosexual, I hate that guy).
True enough. Hey! I'm drinking Foster's.


C. Thrash Metal

1. Metallica - Master Of Puppets
2. Slayer - Seasons In The Abyss
3. Death Angel - The Ultra-Violence
4. Megadeth - Countdown To Extinction
5. Annihilator - Alice In Hell

K. Nu/Mainstream Metal
1. System Of A Down - Toxicity
2. Linkin Park - Iowa
3. Disturbed - The Sickness
4. Slipknot - Iowa
5. Korn - Follow The Leader

ROCK

A. Classic Rock
1. Thin Lizzy - Jailbreak
2. Neil Young - After The Goldrush
3. Lynyrd Skynyrd - Pronounced...
4. The Eagles - The Eagles
5. The Doors - The Doors

B. Mainstream Rock
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

C. Hard Rock/Hair Metal/Sleaze
1. Guns N' Roses - Appetite For Destruction
2. Motley Crue - Shout At The Devil
3. Skid Row - Slave To The Grind
4. Van Halen - Van Halen
5. Bon Jovi - Slippery When Wet

D. Pop Rock/Powerpop/Glam Rock
1. T. Rex - Electric Warrior
2. Hanoi Rocks - Two Steps From The Move
3. David Bowie - The Rise & Fall of Ziggy Stardust...
4. Duran Duran - Rio
5. Elvis Costello - My Aim Is True

E. Alternative
1. Jeff Buckley - Grace
2. Manic Street Preachers - The Holy Bible
3. The Smiths - Hatful Of Hollow
4. Sinéad O'Connor - The Lion And The Cobra
5. Muse - Origin Of Symmetry

or something

[Jom]

Jom: I think maybe you add Deathcore to the list. I understand where both Mappy and Stevie are coming from, but I don't know how to resolve it fairly for both parties. If you have a better solution to the problem, by all means do so, but I think maybe just separating the "old school death sound" from the "newer death/hardcore sound" would make the list more robust as well as halving the amount of bitching so far.

You're an official R&M mod, so what you say goes. I'll add it to the final/official thread, which is gonna go up tonight.

2. Linkin Park - Iowa

lol wut

Hybrid Theory?

[Jom]

The 'rule' has been modified to accommodate band evolution(s) in sound - there'll just be endnotes to the list to account for them. One example I was thinking of was something like:

Progressive Rock
1. Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon, The Wall*, Piper at the Gates of Dawn**


* - Mainstream Rock record
** - Psychedelic Rock record

In this example, DSOTM took the #1 spot across all votes, but I'll pull the other two records up along with DSOTM in the final list, although I'll have a note saying that they're not progressive rock.

The other alternative is simply ignoring that rule and letting bands show up in multiple genres. Again, I would have resented seeing a final project that has Metallica/Opeth/Tool/Mastodon/etc. in every ****ing genre.

[Riva]

We could just piss on the people who did that from a great height.

[ninjuice]

A. Traditional Heavy Metal
1. Iron Maiden - Number of the Beast

B. Death Metal
1. Dark Tranquillity - The Gallery
2. In Flames - The Jester Race
3. At the Gates - Slaughter of the Soul
4. Arch Enemy - Wages of Sin

F. Power Metal
1. Kamelot - The Black Halo

G. Progressive Metal
1. Opeth - Blackwater Park
2. Edge of Sanity - Crimson
3. Dream Theater - Scenes from a Memory

J. Metalcore
1. Killswitch Engage - Alive or Just Breathing
2. Unearth - III: In the Eyes of Fire
3. Heaven Shall Burn - Antigone

L. Industrial
1. Nine Inch Nails - The Downward Spiral
2. Rammstein - Mutter

ROCK

A. Classic Rock
1. The Beatles - Abbey Road
2. Queen - A Night at the Opera

E. Alternative
1. Radiohead - OK Computer
2. Faith No More - Angel Dust
3. Weezer - Blue Album
4. Third Eye Blind - Third Eye Blind

[Riva]

I'm in favour of closing this so people don't keep putting their lists here, Jom. What do you think?

[Jom]

I would rather not. I'm perfectly fine with the unsticky but I need this one to operate for discussion, debate, genre write-ups, and rough drafts. I'll give people plenty of warning to transfer their lists over if they have not already at the time of the announcement. If it's too much of an inconvenience, do what you want. This just makes things easier for me.

Thanks.

[Riva]

No worries. I just didn't want to increase the busy work for you.

[Obsequies]

Deathcore is watered down pop-rock and has no business in this forum.

[lanethetrain]

A. Traditional Heavy Metal
1.black sabbath - paranoid



C. Thrash Metal
1.metallica - master of puppets
2.pantera - vulgar display of power
3.
4.
5.



G. Progressive Metal
1.tool - lateralus
2.opeth - black water park
3.mastodon - blood mountain
4.
5.



J. Metalcore
1.avenged sevenfold - waking the fallen
2.killswitch engage - the end of the heartache
3.
4.
5.every time i die - the big dirty

K. Nu/Mainstream Metal
1.deftones - around the fur
2.system of a down - toxicity
3.korn - korn
4.slipknot - s/t
5.mudvayne - ld 50

L. Industrial
1.nine inch nails - downward spiral
2.
3.marilyn manson - mechanical animals
4.
5.

M. Drone/Traditional & Stoner Sludge Metal
1.acid bath - when the kite strings pop
2.
3.
4.
5.


ROCK

A. Classic Rock
1.led zeppelin - II
2.pink floyd - animals
3.jimi hendrix experience - are you experienced?
4.the doors - strange days
5.the beatles - revolver

B. Mainstream Rock
1.red hot chili peppers - stadium arcadium
2.alice in chains - dirt
3.foo fighters - the colour and the shape
4.
5.



E. Alternative
1.radiohead - kid A
2.a perfect circle - 13th step
3.nirvana - unplugged
4.primus - frizzle fry
5.rage against the machine - s/t



N. Stoner Rock
1.clutch - robot/hive exodus
2.
3.
4.
5.

[ATC]

A. Traditional Heavy Metal
1.Mercyful Fate-Melissa
2.Iron Maiden-Number of the beast
3.Black Sabbath-Volume 4
4.Rainbow-Rainbow rising
5.Judas Priest-Sad wings of destiny

B. Death Metal
1.Death-Symbolic
2.Morbid Angel-Blessed are the sick
3.Entombed-Left hand path
4.Suffocation-Pierced from within
5.Gorguts-Erosion of sanity

C. Thrash Metal
1.Celtic Frost-To Mega Therion
2.Slayer-South of heaven
4.Megadeth-Peace sells
4.Kreator-Pleasure to kill
5.Testament-The Gathering

D. Black Metal
1.Mayhem-De Mysteriis dom sathanas
2.Darkthrone-A blaze in the northern sky
3.Blasphemy-Fallen angel of doom
4.Drudkh-Forgotten Legends
5.Peste Noire-Panegyrique

E. Doom Metal
1.Witchfinder General-Death Penalty
2.Candlemass-Nightfall
3.Cathedral-Forests of equilibrium
4.Paradise Lost-Gothic
5.Ahab-Call of the Wretched Sea

F. Power Metal
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

G. Progressive Metal
1.Opeth-Still Life
2.Cynic-Focus
3.Atheist-Unquestionable presence
4.Pain of Salvation-Remedy Lane
5.Between the buried and me-Colors

H. Folk/Viking Metal
1.Bathory-Blood Fire Death
2.Enslaved-Eld
3.Agalloch-The Mantle
4.Moonsorrow-Verisakeet
5.Thyrfing-Urkraft

I. Grind
1.Napalm Death-Harmony Corruption
2.Bolt Thrower-In Battle
3.Terrorizer-World Downfall
4.Leng Tch'e-Process of Elimination
5.Sayyadina-Fear gave us wings

J. Metalcore
1.Sikth-Death of a dead day
2.Converge-Jane Doe
3.
4.
5.

M. Drone/Traditional & Stoner Sludge Metal
1.Sleep-Dopesmoker
2.Corrosion of Conformity-In the arms of god
3.The Angelic Process-Weighing souls with sand
4.Warhorse-As heaven turns to ash
5.Thergothon-Stream from the heavens

ROCK

A. Classic Rock
1.Rolling Stones-Sticky Fingers
2.The Doors-The Doors
3.Allman Brothers Band-At Fillmore East
4.Deep Purple-Stormbringer
5.Neil Young-Harvest

B. Mainstream Rock
1.Alice in Chains-Dirt
2.Soundgarden-Badmotorfinger
3.Live-Throwing Copper
4.Cold-13 Ways to bleed
5.Shinedown-Leave a whisper

C. Hard Rock/Hair Metal/Sleaze
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

D. Pop Rock/Powerpop/Glam Rock
1.U2-Joshua Tree
2.
3.
4.
5.

E. Alternative
1.Radiohead-OK Computer
2.Tool-Lateralus
3.Sigur Ros-Agaetis Byrjunn
4.Muse-Origin of Symmetry
5.Massive Attack-Mezzanine

F. Post-Rock/Post-Metal/"Atmospheric Sludge Metal"
1.Godspeed you black emperor-F#A#
2.The ocean-Precambrian
3.Neurosis-Through silver in blood
4.Crippled black phoenix-Love of shared disasters
5.Nadja-Bodycage

G. Progressive Rock
1.King Crimson-Islands
2.Pink Floyd-Dark side of the moon
3.Camel-Rajaz
4.Marillion-Misplaced Childhood
5.Mike Oldfield-Ommadawn

H. Psychedelic Rock
1.Jefferson Airplane-Surrealistic Pillow
2.Jimi Hendrix-Electric Ladyland
3.Beatles-Sergeant Pepper
4.Porcupine Tree-Signify
5.My Bloody Valentine-Loveless

K. Folk Rock
1.Joan Baez-Diamonds and rust
2.Nick Drake-Pink Moon
3.The Decemberists-Picaresque
4.Flaming Lips-Yoshimi battles the Pink Robots
5.Neutral Milk Hotel-In the airplane over the sea


N. Stoner Rock
1.Clutch-Robot Hive
2.Kyuss-Blues for the red sun
3.Spiritual Beggars-Ad Astra
4.Hermano-Only a suggestion
5.Orange Goblin-Healing through fire

[Altmer]

A. Traditional Heavy Metal
1. Judas Priest - Screaming for Vengeance
2. Iron Maiden - Number of the Beast
3. Motorhead - No Sleep 'til Hammersmith
4. Accept - Balls to the Wall
5. Black Sabbath - Paranoid

B. Death Metal
1. Morbid Angel - Altars of Madness
2. Cryptopsy - None so Vile
3. Death - The Sound of Perseverance
4. Cynic - Focus
5. Vital Remains - Icons of Evil


C. Thrash Metal
1. Slayer - Reign in Blood
2. Anthrax - Among the Living
3. Machine Head - Burn My Eyes
4. Megadeth - Rust In Peace
5. Kreator - Pleasure to Kill

D. Black Metal
1. Emperor - Into the Nightside Eclipse
2. Burzum - Filosofem
3. Mayhem - De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas
4. Wolves in the Throne Room - Diadem of 12 Stars
5. Ulver - Bergtatt (I know Ulver spans a lot of genres, but this album is definitely BM along with Nattens Madrigal)

E. Doom Metal
1. Agalloch - Pale Folklore (This could be BM as well, as well as folk. But its atmosphere leads me to put it here.)
2. Katatonia - Last Fair Deal Gone Down
3. Candlemass - Epicus Doomicus Metallicus
4. My Dying Bride - Turn Loose The Swans
5. Tiamat - Wildhoney

F. Power Metal
1. Blind Guardian - Imaginations From The Other Side
2. Kamelot - The Black Halo
3. Helloween - The Keeper of the Seven Keys Part 2
4. Sonata Arctica - Reckoning Night
5. Iced Earth - Burnt Offerings

G. Progressive Metal
1. Dream Theater - Images and Words
2. Opeth - Still Life
3. Pain of Salvation - Remedy Lane
4. Meshuggah - Chaosphere
5. Symphony X - The Divine Wings of Tragedy

H. Folk/Viking Metal
1. Ensiferum - s/t
2. Amon Amarth - With Oden On Our Side
3. Bathory - Nordland I
4.
5.

I. Grind
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

J. Metalcore
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

K. Nu/Mainstream Metal
1. Linkin Park - Hybrid Theory
2. Mudvayne - L.D. 50
3. Deftones - White Pony
4.
5.

L. Industrial
1. Rammstein - Mutter
2. Nine Inch Nails - Downward Spiral
3.
4.
5.

M. Drone/Traditional & Stoner Sludge Metal
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.


ROCK

A. Classic Rock
1. Led Zeppelin - IV
2. Deep Purple - Machine Head
3. Queen - A Night at the Opera
4. Beatles - Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band
5. Steely Dan - Countdown to Ecstasy

B. Mainstream Rock
1. Evanescence - Fallen
2. Coldplay - A Rush of Blood to the Head
3.
4.
5.

C. Hard Rock/Hair Metal/Sleaze
1. AC/DC - Highway to Hell
2.
3.
4.
5.

D. Pop Rock/Powerpop/Glam Rock
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

E. Alternative
1. Radiohead - OK Computer
2. dredg - El Cielo
3. Death Cab for Cutie - Transatlanticism
4. Dismemberment Plan - Emergency & I
5. Cranberries - No Need to Argue

F. Post-Rock/Post-Metal/"Atmospheric Sludge Metal"
1. Sigur Ros - Takk
2. Explosions in the Sky - The Earth is Not a Cold Dead Place
3. Pelican - The Fire In Our Throats Will Beckon the Thaw
4. Isis - Oceanic
5. A Silver Mt. Zion - He Has Left Us Alone [etc]

G. Progressive Rock
1. Rush - Moving Pictures
2. Yes - Close to the Edge
3. Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here
4. Porcupine Tree - In Absentia
5. King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King

H. Psychedelic Rock
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

I. Jam Rock
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

J. Fusion
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

K. Folk Rock
1. Mostly Autumn - For All We Shared
2.
3.
4.
5.

L. Krautrock
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

M. Noise Rock
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

N. Stoner Rock
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

[DBlitz]

B. Death Metal
1. Insomnium - Since the Day it All Came Down
2. Death - The Sound of Perseverance
3. Cryptopsy - None So Vile
4. Decapitated - Winds of Creation
5. Dark Tranquility - The Gallery

C. Thrash Metal
1. Megadeth - Rust In Peace

F. Power Metal
1. Children Of Bodom - Follow the Reaper

G. Progressive Metal
1. Opeth - Still Life
2. Edge of Sanity - Crimson
3. Disillusion - Back to Times of Splendor
4. Between the Buried and Me - Alaska
5. Dream Theater - Scenes from a Memory

I. Grind
1. Pig Destroyer - Terrifyer
2. Repulsion - Horrified
3. Dillinger Escape Plan - Calculating Infinity (if it counts)

J. Metalcore
1. Converge - Jane Doe
2. Skycamefalling - 10.21
3. 7 Angels 7 Plagues - Jhazmyne's Lullaby
4. Buried Inside - Chronoclaust
5. Architects - Nightmare

[lak89]

B. Death Metal
1. Vital Remains - Icons Of Evil
2. Necrophagist - Epitaph
3. Origin - Echoes Of Decimation
4. Cryptopsy - None So Vile
5. Nile - Annihilation Of The Wicked

C. Thrash Metal
1. Metallica - Master Of Puppets
2. Slayer - Reign In Blood
3. Megadeth - Killing Is My Business...And Business Is Good
4.
5.

G. Progressive Metal
1. Dream Theater - Scenes From A Memory
2. Symphony X - The Divine Wings Of Tragedy
3. Liquid Tension Experiment - Liquid Tension Experiment
4. Andromeda - Extension Of The Wish
5. Pagan's Mind - Enigmatic Calling

A. Traditional Heavy Metal
1. Motorhead - Inferno
2. Iron Maiden - Number Of The Beast
3.
4.
5.

C. Hard Rock/Hair Metal/Sleaze
1. Alter Bridge - Blackbird
2.
3.
4.
5.

J. Metalcore
1. Trivium - The Crusade
2. Still Remains - Of Love & Lunacy
3.
4.
5.

that's all for now

[Iai]

I'll post this here first, just so anybody can call me on things that have been discussed already or whatever. I know quite a few of these albums are debatable as far as categories go.

Although I will point out pre-emptively, saying that Frank Zappa solo and Frank Zappa with the Mothers is the same band is like saying Tool and Puscifer are the same band. Just sayin'.

A. Traditional Heavy Metal
1. Black Sabbath - Paranoid
2. Iron Maiden - Number of the Beast
3. Judas Priest - Sad Wings of Destiny
4. Dio - Holy Diver
5. Mercyful Fate - Don't Break The Oath

B. Death Metal
1. Death - Symbolic
2. Cryptopsy - None so Vile
3. Nile - In Their Darkened Shrines
4. Autopsy - Severed Survival
5. Necrophagist - Onset of Putrefaction

C. Thrash Metal
1. Metallica - Master of Puppets
2. Nevermore - Dreaming Neon Black
3. Slayer - Reign in Blood
4. Megadeth - Rust in Peace
5. Sepultura - Beneath the Remains

D. Black Metal
1. Burzum - Hvis lyset tar oss
2. Dissection - Storm of the Light's Bane
3. Ulver - Bergtatt
4. Emperor - In The Nightside Eclipse
5. Darkthrone - A Blaze in the Northern Sky

F. Power Metal
1. Manilla Road - Crystal Logic
2. Helloween - Keeper of the Seven Keys Part II
3. Iced Earth - Something Wicked This Way Comes
4. Rage - Unity
5. Blind Guardian - Nightfall in Middle Earth

G. Progressive Metal
1. X-Japan - Art of Life
2. Cynic - Focus
3. Opeth - Still Life
4. Queensryche - Operation:Mindcrime
5. Disillusion - Back to Times of Splendor

J. Metalcore
1. Converge - Jane Doe
2. Botch - We Are The Romans
3. Poison The Well - The Opposite of December
4. Roschach - Autopsy
5. SikTh - The Trees Are Dead And Dried Out, Wait For Something Wild

L. Nu/Mainstream Metal
1. Deftones - White Pony
2. Rage Against The Machine - Rage Against The Machine
3. Korn - Korn
4. System of a Down - Mesmerize
5. Linkin Park - Hybrid Theory



A. Classic Rock
1. Led Zeppelin - Physical Graffiti
2. The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground & Nico
3. Jimi Hendrix - Electric Ladyland
4. Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here
5. The Stooges - Fun House

B. Mainstream Rock
1. Counting Crows - August & Everything After
2. Hole - Celebrity Skin
3. Incubus - Morning View
4. Pearl Jam - Ten
5. Red Hot Chili Peppers - Californication

C. Hard Rock/Hair Metal/Sleaze
1. Van Halen - Van Halen
2. Alice in Chains - Dirt
3. Thin Lizzy - Live and Dangerous
4. Soundgarden - Superunknown
5. Queen - A Night At The Opera

D. Pop Rock/Powerpop/Glam Rock
1. Fleetwood Mac - Rumours
2. Weezer - Pinkerton
3. Teenage Fanclub - Grand Prix
4. Belle & Sebastian - Dear Catastrophe Waitress
5. Prince - Sign O' The Times

E. Alternative
1. Radiohead - OK Computer
2. Jeff Buckley - Grace
3. Manic Street Preachers - The Holy Bible
4. Tom Waits - Rain Dogs
5. The Afghan Whigs - Gentlemen

F. Post-Rock/Post-Metal/"Atmospheric Sludge Metal"
1. Yndi Halda - Enjoy Eternal Bliss
2. Explosion in the Sky - The Earth is Not a Cold Dead Place
3. Mogwai - Happy Songs For Happy People
4. Agalloch - Ashes Against The Grain
5. Mum - Finally We Are No One

G. Progressive Rock
1. King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King
2. Rush - Moving Pictures
3. Mansun - Six
4. Camel - Moonmadness
5. Gospel - The Moon is a Dead World

H. Psychedelic Rock
1. The Zombies - Odessey & Oracle
2. Love - Forever Changes
3. The Beatles - Revolver
4. Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention - We're Only in it For the Money
5. Jefferson Airplane - Surrealistic Pillow

J. Fusion
1. John Zorn - Naked City
2. Jaco Pastorius - Jaco Pastorius
3. Miles Davis - In A Silent Way
4. Frank Zappa - Hot Rats
5. Weather Report - Heavy Weather

K. Folk Rock
1. Bob Dylan - Blood on the Tracks
2. Comus - First Utterance
3. Leonard Cohen - Songs of Love & Hate
4. Van Morrison - Astral Weeks
5. Neutral Milk Hotel - In The Aeroplane Over The Sea

L. Krautrock
1. Amon Duul II - Yeti
2. Can - Tago Mago
3. Kraftwerk - Kraftwerk
4. Faust - Fasut IV
5. Neu! - Neu! '75

M. Noise Rock
1. Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation
2. Swans - White Light From The Mouth of Infinity
3. ....And You Will Know Us By The Trail of Full Stops - Source Tags & Codes
4. Ex-Models - Zoo Psychology
5. The Jesus Lizard - Goat

N. Stoner Rock
1. Kyuss - Blues For The Red Sun
2. Comets On Fire - Avatar
3. Queens of the Stone Age - Songs For The Deaf
4. High on Fire - Blessed Black Wings
5. Clutch - Clutch

[Liberi Fatali]

L. Krautrock:
1. NEU! - NEU! (1972)
2. Can - Tago Mago
3. Klaus Schulze - Moondawn
4. Amon Düül II - Yeti
5. La Düsseldorf - La Düsseldorf

Argh so hard. Tempting to just put TD on there even though I know I shouldn't.

also disapointing no soft rock category lol :(

[Iai]

Argh so hard. Tempting to just put TD on there even though I know I shouldn't.

yeah same for me with anything Kraftwerk made post-Autobahn.

[Eliminator]

people please refrain from putting paranoid on anything

[Dave de Sylvia]

I had Thin Lizzy in classic rock and I would've put Queen there. Dunno why exactly.

[Stevie II]

submit lists to the new stickyd threads plz kk

[Jom]

3. ....And You Will Know Us By The Trail of Full Stops - Source Tags & Codes

Hahaha. Nice, Iai.

submit lists to the new stickyd threads plz kk

Well, Iai's in particular was a rough draft and he said so himself... I'm hoping for final lists only in that final copy thread. This one's still open for debate, discussion, genre write-ups, etc.

[Iai]

@ Spat: for me that's as much of a time-frame issue as anything. There's a buttload of crossover between the two anyway.

I'll totally do some of those genre write-ups tomorrow. What's done so far, if anything?

[the2stranger]

Power metal and Folk/Viking.

[dub sean]

Is there going to be a definitive albums list for all the rest of the genres?

[2muchket!]

I'd do metalcore but I'm sure there are others who can do the job also

[Stevie II]

if other forums want to do their own list then fine but i doubt there will be any more on this one

[dub sean]

That's what I meant...like Jazz, Blues, Punk, Electronica, Hip-Hop.....

[Iai]

Nu-Metal

After the rampant mainstream success of Metallica, Vulgar Display of Power, and Superunknown (among others), America's music industry saw itself approaching the turn of the century with heavy metal as a serious commodity - its fanbase was no longer limited to outcasts now that a significant 'jock' contingent had begun attending Faith No More gigs. Nu-metal was the logical result; not for nothing was it once known as 'sports metal'. By scaling back metal's preoccupation with darkness and fantasy, and fusing it with hip-hop, electronica, funk, alternative rock, and a few of pop's more worldly quirks, bands like Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit, and Korn found a legion of fans who'd never normally go near a metal album ready to embrace them. It's become easy to scorn nu-metal with hindsight, but from 1999 to 2002, this music ruled the industry.


....like this?

[Jom]

Absolutely perfect. The aim was to be concise, but if you feel too restrained by "concise," go absolutely nuts (just no dissertation-length write-ups, please :p).

dub sean: possibly? this idea originated in R&M, so depending on how successful (or how much of a flop) this is, it may percolate into the other genres as well. I know Hardcore/Emo has a list in their rules thread (I think... or maybe it has/had its own thread).

[HighandDriving]

Iai, you sure about listing DFA as noise rock, pretty sure it's dance punk.
It's far too structured to fall under noise rock, also sorry for nit picking, just that really stood out to me.

[Jom]

Uh, if we were going to include dance punk in an R&M forum, we would have to incorporate billions of other Wikipedia genres, and nobody would be arsed to read that. The immediate concession we made at the time is that some of the genre placements are going to be incredibly oil-and-water-mixing-esque, but for all intents and purposes (and intensive purposes!) Iai's placement (and knowledge base, considering what he's studied for years and has a job in) is absolutely cool with me.

EDIT: of course, if Iai wants to substantiate his claim that's more than awesome as well

[Iai]

It's very tenuous, admittedly. I suppose I put it there for a similar reason that some people earlier in this thread included deathcore albums under death metal - it shows an evolution of the genre into more structured, rhythmically strict territory, as does Ex-Models. Other (alt/indie) genres fit it better, sure, but I don't think any of the ones on the list in this thread do. The Swans album is also debatable, since a lot of people reckon they weren't truly 'noise rock' by that point because they'd evolved too far into other areas. Then again, same's true of Daydream Nation, and there's no way that's not going to be included in a public vote.

The problem, also, is that there's a real lack of true noise rock albums that are actually any good.

Edit: Given how that deathcore/death metal argument I'll just replace it with a better fit. A better representation of what's important to the genre too.

[jarhead12343]

A. Traditional Heavy Metal
1.black sabbath-paranoid
2.judas priest-Sad Wings of Destiny
3.scorpions-Virgin Killer
4.
5.

C. Thrash Metal
1.Metallica-master of puppets
2.Megadeth-rust in peace
3.slayer-Reign in Blood
4.Anthrax-Among the Living
5.testament-The Legacy

F. Power Metal
1.Iron Maiden-powerslave
2.Gamma ray-land of the free
3.Dio-Holy Diver
4.Blind Guardian-Nightfall in Middle-Earth
5.Sonata Arctica-Silence

G. Progressive Metal
1.Dream Theater-Images and Words
2.queensryche-Operation: Mindcrime
3.symphony x-V: The New Mythology Suite
4.Opeth-Still life
5.LIQUID TENSION EXPERIMENT-LIQUID TENSION EXPERIMENT 2

A. Classic Rock
1.Led Zeppelin-Led Zeppelin 4
2.Deep Purple-Machine Head
3.Aerosmith-Rocks
4.ac/dc-Back in Black
5.supertramp-Breakfast in America

C. Hard Rock/Hair Metal/Sleaze
1.Motley Crue-shout at the devil
2.Van Halen-Van Halen
3.Guns N Roses-Appetite for Destruction
4.Def Leppard-hysteria
5.Whitesnake-Whitesnake

G. Progressive Rock
1.Yes-Close To The Edge
2.Genesis-Selling England By The Pound
3.Jethro Tull-Thick as a brick
4.Pink Floyd-wish you were here
5.King Crimson-In the court of the crimson king

J. Fusion
1.Mahavishnu Orchestra- Birds Of Fire
2.dixie dregs-What If
3.return to forever-Return to forever
4.santana-Caravanserai
5.Brand X-Unorthodox Behaviour

K. Folk Rock
1.Bob Dylan-Highway 61 Revisited
2.Crosby, Stills & Nash - Crosby, Stills & Nash
3.Blackmore's Night-Fires at Midnight
4.Jethro Tull-Songs From The Wood
5.

[jpj]

Are The Allman Brothers gonna be considered Classic or Jam Rock? I saw them as both in the final copy thread.

A. Classic Rock
1. The Allman Brothers Band - Eat a Peach
2. Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin II
3. Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon
4. The Rolling Stones - Sticky Fingers
5. The Who - Who's Next

I. Progressive Rock
1. Yes - Fragile
2. Rush - Moving Pictures
3. Jethro Tull - Aqualung
4. Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Brain Salad Surgery
5. King Crimson - Red

H. Psychedelic Rock
1. Jimi Hendrix - Electric Ladyland
2. Jefferson Airplane - Surrealistic Pillow
3. Love - Forever Changes
4. Spirit - Twelve Dreams of Dr. Sardonicus
5. The Soft Machine - Volume Two

I. Jam Rock
1. The Grateful Dead - Live/Dead
2. Phish - Lawn Boy
3. moe. - No Doy
4. The String Cheese Incident - Born on the Wrong Planet
5. Widespread Panic - Space Wrangler

J. Fusion
1. Jeff Beck - Blow by Blow
2. Miles Davis - Bitches Brew
3. Stanley Clarke - School Days
4. Frank Zappa - Hot Rats
5. Mahavishnu Orchestra - Inner Mounting Flame

K. Folk Rock
1. Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited
2. Neil Young - Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere
3. Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young - Deja Vu
4. Nick Drake - Pink Moon
5. Van Morrison - Moondance

[Eliminator]

it shows an evolution of the genre into more structured, rhythmically strict territory, hhahahaha NO IT DOESN'T

The Swans album is also debatable, since a lot of people reckon they weren't truly 'noise rock' by that point because they'd evolved too far into other areas. Then again, same's true of Daydream Nation, and there's no way that's not going to be included in a public vote. wow

you may as well just off yourself

[Kage]

Elim relax, man.

[Jom]

Eliminator: going big or going home on someone who knows his stuff.

[masscows]

I. You are NOT expected to fill out every genre or fill up all five slots. If you are not "fluent" in a genre or multiple genres, please do not fill out those genres. The final project will have ten albums per genre, however.is there going to some sort of filter for people who post lists despite their lack of knowledge or are we just going on some sort of honor system and under the assumption that they actually read the rules?

[Jom]

The people are supposed to be the filter. This is forum-driven, not individually-driven.

[IsItLuck?]

Jom this is why I'm scared of letting people pick this stuff... because they are doing genres that they have no idea about.
http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showpost.php?p=16332710&postcount=20
He has Battles under post-rock and CKY under alternative (#2!!!). Granted the votes will be overshadowed by a lot of other bands, but Jesus.

I guess it's hard getting people to read the guidelines.

[Kage]

What's the big problem with that?

[bringonthebreakdown]

B. Death Metal
1. Vital Remains - Dechristianize
2. Living Sacrifice - The Hammering Process
3. All Shall Perish - The Price of Existence
4. The Faceless - Akeldama
5. Necrophagist - Epitaph

E. Doom Metal
1. Swallow The Sun - Hope
2. Candlemass - Epicus Doomicus Metallicus
3.
4.
5.

F. Power Metal
1. Kamelot - The Black Halo
2. Lost Horizon - A Flame To The Ground Beneath
3. Angra - Temple of Shadows
4. Children of Bodom - Follow The Reaper
5. Wintersun - Wintersun

G. Progressive Metal
1. Dream Theater - Scenes From a Memory
2. Opeth - Blackwater Park
3. The Dillinger Escape Plan - Miss Machine
4. Devin Townsend - Terria
5. Between The Buried And Me - Colors

H. Folk/Viking Metal
1. Amon Amarth - With Oden On Our Side


I. Grind
1. Napalm Death


J. Metalcore
1. August Burns Red - Messengers
2. Killswitch Engage - The End of Heartache
3. Parkway Drive - Killing With A Smile
4. Unearth - III: In The Eyes of Fire
5. Underoath - Define The Great Line

K. Nu/Mainstream Metal
1. Deftones - White Pony
2. Tool - Lateralus
3. Breaking Benjamin - Polyamorous

ROCK

E. Alternative (basically where I put everything that didn't have a category)
1. Weezer - Weezer (The Blue Album)
2. Brand New - Deja Entendu
3. Cursive - Domestica
4. The Fall Of Troy - Doppleganger
5.

G. Progressive Rock
1. Porcupine Tree - In Absentia
2. The Mars Volta - De-Loused In The Comatorium
3. Thrice - The Alchemy Index I-IV
4. The Dillinger Escape Plan - Miss Machine
5. Oceansize - Frames





K. Folk Rock
1. Sufjan Stevens - Come On, Feel The Illinoise!


rough draft, subject to change.

[IsItLuck?]

What's the big problem with that?
I don't see Battles or CKY defining the genres listed whatsoever. I'm not saying they don't have hints of either genres, but I wouldn't even consider that either of each owns main genre or defining either genre.

E. Alternative (basically where I put everything that didn't have a category)
1. Weezer - Weezer (The Blue Album)
2. Brand New - Deja Entendu
3. Cursive - Domestica
4. The Fall Of Troy - Doppleganger
5.
This isn't a like a list on the main page, this is something that unless you are certain it is filed under a certain genre, that you should categorize it under it. I don't mean to come off harsh but that's the way it is and the guidelines that were set. If they don't fit, that means it's for a different discussion a different day.

[Kage]

Yeah but that isn't anything to get in a huff about. If what you're saying is really true, then no one else will vote for those albums and they won't get through anyway. That's the whole point. Ultimately we're trying to come to a consensus.

[guitrguy]

Metal

B. Death Metal
1. The Chasm - Deathcult For Eternity: The Triumph
2. Therion - Of Darkness
3. Arghoslent - Hornets of Progrom
4. Bloodbath - Nightmares Made Flesh
5. Dark Tranquility - The Gallery

C. Thrash Metal
1. Desaster - Hellfire's Dominion
2. Municipal Waste - The Art of Partying
3.
4.
5.

D. Black Metal
1. Burzum - Burzum
2. Mayhem - De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas
3. Darkthrone - Panzerfaust
4. Bathory - Bathory
5. Drudkh - Autumn Aurora

E. Doom Metal
1. Candlemass - Epicus Doomicus Metallicus
2. Saint Vitus - V
3. Solitude Aeturnus - Into the Depths of Sorrow
4. Reverend Bizarre - II: Crush the Insects
5. Trouble - Psalm 9


G. Progressive Metal
1. Opeth - Still Life
2.
3.
4.
5.



I. Grind
1. Pig Destroyer Phantom Limb
2.
3.
4.
5.

N. Drone/Traditional & Stoner Sludge Metal
1. Sleep - Sleep's Holy Mountain
2. Om - Conference of the Birds
3. Melvins - Houdini
4. Bongzilla - Amerijuanican
5. Nadja - Thaumogenesis

ROCK

A. Classic Rock
1. Black Sabbath - Masters of Reality
2. The Beatles - Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
3. Pink Floyd - Darkside of the Moon
4.
5.

F. Post-Rock/Post-Metal/"Atmospheric Sludge Metal"
1. Godspeed You! Black Emperor - F# A# ∞
2. Red Sparowes - At the Soundless Dawn
3. Russian Circles - Enter
4. Rosetta - Galilean Satellites
5. Tusk - Resisting the Dreamer

N. Stoner Rock
1. Queens of the Stone Age - Songs for the Deaf
2. Spiritual Beggars - Ad Astra
3. Dead Meadow - Dead Meadow
4. Atomic Bitchwax - III
5. Monster Magnet - Dopes to Infinity

[IsItLuck?]

Yeah but that isn't anything to get in a huff about. If what you're saying is really true, then no one else will vote for those albums and they won't get through anyway. That's the whole point. Ultimately we're trying to come to a consensus.
yeah, true, forgot about the voting portion, but it's just the principles I guess. moving on

[Kage]

:D
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[IsItLuck?]

hahah awesome

[Jom]

I understand what you're saying, but as soon as the voting is over, that's not going to be the final list. There is going to be a tentative final list, and people will appeal that tentative list. Once another round of discussion goes through, we will have the final list. No question, that appeal thread is going to have some good discussion (I hope)... and a few ELIMINATORs for good measure.

[2muchket!]

Despite the odd few duff nominations, the consensus of the forum will produce a good list.

[itachi1452]

A. Traditional Heavy Metal
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

B. Death Metal
1. In Flames-The Jester Race
2.
3.
4.
5.

C. Thrash Metal
1. Slayer-Reign In Blood
2.
3.
4.
5.

D. Black Metal
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

E. Doom Metal
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

F. Power Metal
1. Blind Guardian-Nightfall in Middle Earth
2.
3.
4.
5.

G. Progressive Metal
1. Tool-Aenema
2.
3.
4.
5.

H. Folk/Viking Metal
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

I. Grind
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

J. Metalcore
1. All That Remains-The Fall of Ideals
2. Between the Buried and Me-Colors
3.
4.
5.

K. Nu/Mainstream Metal
1. Slipknot-Slipknot
2. Korn-Korn
3. Disturbed-10,000 Fists
4. Deftones-Around the Fur
5.

L. Industrial
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

M. Drone/Traditional & Stoner Sludge Metal
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

ROCK

A. Classic Rock
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

B. Mainstream Rock
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

C. Hard Rock/Hair Metal/Sleaze
1. Twisted Sister-Stay Hungry
2.
3.
4.
5.

D. Pop Rock/Powerpop/Glam Rock
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

E. Alternative
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

F. Post-Rock/Post-Metal/"Atmospheric Sludge Metal"
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

G. Progressive Rock
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

H. Psychedelic Rock
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

I. Jam Rock
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

J. Fusion
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

K. Folk Rock
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

L. Krautrock
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

M. Noise Rock
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

N. Stoner Rock
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

i listen to alot more albums which fit those genres, but i'm not gonna put in any albums just because i absolutely love them. most of the albums i listen to weren't that influential, so yeah.

btw, i don't see grunge on the rock list, what gives?

[Jacaranda]

whats the difference between 'hair metal' and glam rock....

i opted out of doing it because its too genre-y but it'll be cool.

[Pebster49]

Death Metal was hard, because I had to put Melodic Death metal with the Tech Death...hard to choose.

[pate]

METAL

A. Traditional Heavy Metal
1. Dio – Holy Diver
2. Mercyful Fate – Don’t Break The Oath
3. Savatage – Hall of the Mountain King
4. Angel Witch – Angel Witch
5. Judas Priest – Sad Wings of Destiny


B. Death Metal
1. Death – Individual Thought Patterns
2. Cryptopsy – None So Vile
3. Morbid Angel – Altars of Madness
4. Dismember – The God That Never Was
5. Decapitated – Winds of Creation


C. Thrash Metal
1. Testament – The New Order
2. Exodus – Bonded By Blood
3. Overkill - Taking Over
4. Dark Angel – Darkness Descends
5. Sodom – Agent Orange


D. Black Metal
1. Emperor – Anthems to the Welkin at Dusk
2. Dissection – Storm of the Light’s Bane
3. Ulver – Nattens Madrigal
4. Immortal – At The Heart of Winter
5. Thurisaz – Circadian Rhythm


E. Doom Metal
1. Candlemass - Nightfall
2. Solitude Aeturnus – Through The Darkest Hour
3. Saturnus – Veronika Decides To Die
4. Saint Vitus – Born Too Late
5. Iommi - Fused


F. Power Metal
1. Dungeon – The Final Chapter
2. Winters Bane – Heart of a Killer
3. Iced Earth – Night of the Stormrider
4. HammerFall - Legacy of Kings
5. Falconer - Chapters From A Vale Forlorn


G. Progressive Metal
1. Arcturus – The Sham Mirrors
2. Opeth – Blackwater Park
3. Queensryche – Operation: Mindcrime
4. Into Eternity – The Scattering of Ashes
5. Amorphis – Silent Waters


H. Folk/Viking Metal
1. Suidakra – Emprise To Avalon
2. Bathory – Blood Fire Death
3. Agalloch – Pale Folklore
4. Vintersorg – Solens Rotter
5. Tyr - Ragnarok

I. Grind
1. Repulsion - Horrified
2. Brutal Truth - Extreme Conditions Demand Extreme Responses
3. Terrorizer – World Downfall
4. Napalm Death - Scum
5. Carcass - Reek of Putrefaction



ROCK

A. Classic Rock
1. Deep Purple – Machine Head
2. Boston - Boston
3.
4.
5.



G. Progressive Rock
1. Rush - 2112
2. Porcupine Tree - Deadwing
3. Pink Floyd – Wish You Were Here
4. Yes - Fragile
5.


N. Stoner Rock
1. Kyuss – Blues for the Red Sun
2. Witchcraft – The Alchemist
3. Blue Cheer – Vincebus Eruptum
4.
5.

[Jom]

btw, i don't see grunge on the rock list, what gives?

see: alternative

[the_patient]

ok, i'm pretty happy with this....


B. Death Metal
1. All Shall Perish - The Price of Existence
2.
3.
4.
5.

C. Thrash Metal
1. Metallica - Master of Puppets
2. Slayer - Reign in Blood
3.
4.
5.

G. Progressive Metal
1. Between the Buried and Me - Colors
2. Opeth - Blackwater Park
3. Dream Theater - Images and Words
4. maudlin of the Well - Bath
5. Cynic - Focus

J. Metalcore
1. Converge - Jane Doe
2. Protest the Hero - Kezia
3. Dillinger Escape Plan - Calculating Infinity
4. August Burns Red - Thrill Seeker
5. Underoath - Define the Great Line

K. Nu/Mainstream Metal
1. Mudvayne - LD50
2. Deftones - White Pony
3. System of a Down - Toxicity
4. Linkin Park - Hybrid Theory
5. Slipknot - Iowa

M. Drone/Traditional & Stoner Sludge Metal
1. Boris - Amplifier Worship
2. Sunn O))) - Black One
3.
4.
5.

ROCK

A. Classic Rock
1. Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin IV
2. Beatles - Abbey Road
3. The Doors - Self-Titled
4. The Who - Who's Next
5.

B. Mainstream Rock
1. Rage Against the Machine - Self-Titled
2. Foo Fighters - The Colour and the Shape
3. Guns 'N' Roses - Appetite For Destruction
4. Red Hot Chili Peppers - Blood Sex Suger Magik
5.

E. Alternative
1. Radiohead - OK Computer
2. Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream
3. Nirvana - Nevermind
4. Arcade Fire - Funeral
5. dredg - El Cielo

F. Post-Rock/Post-Metal/"Atmospheric Sludge Metal"
1. Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Lift Your Skinny Fists...
2. Sigur Ros - Ágætis Byrjun
3. Isis - Oceanic
4. Explosions in the Sky - The Earth Is Not A Cold Dead Place
5. Slint - Spiderland

G. Progressive Rock
1. King Crimson - In The Court Of The Crimson King
2. The Mars Volta - Frances the Mute
3. Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here
4. Yes - Fragile
5. Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Brain Salad Surgery

J. Fusion
1. Miles Davis - Bitches' Brew
2. Herbie Hancock - Headhunters
3. Jaco Pastorius - Self-Titled
4. Mahavishnu Orchestra - Visions of the Emerald Beyond
5. Weather Report - Self-Titled

K. Folk Rock
1. Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited
2. Nick Drake - Pink Moon
3. Sufjan Stevens - Come On, Feel The Illinoise!
4.
5.

M. Noise Rock
1. Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation
2.
3.
4.
5.

[Iai]

Eliminator: going big or going home on someone who knows his stuff.
lol. Nah, truth is anything I do know about noise rock is stuff I've learnt from academic textbooks. Don't like the stuff. I just posted that list because it's Fat Nick's little darling genre and I knew he'd take the bait. That argument about DFA1979 comes from a argument I had with the singer of a local noise band, who also claimed that The Killers had a Krautrock influence.

[rasputin]

Would Amorphis - Silent Waters and any Agalloch album be considered Progressive metal?
Also, The Red Paintings - Walls, The Pogues - Rum Sodomy and Lash and The Smiths - The Queen is Dead all just come under Alt. rock?

[Iai]

I'd say none of those last three albums qualify to be honest. If anything The Pogues should go under folk rock, but people will likely argue that just because it's Celtic rather than Appalachian folk, and when they hear the term 'folk rock' that's what they imagine.

[Electric City]

Post Rock/metal:

Kayo Dot- Choirs of the Eye
maudlin of the Well- Bath
Godspeed You! Black Emperor- F#A# (Infinity)
Sigur Ros- ( )
Talk Talk- Laughing Stock

[the2stranger]

Guys, I just made a genre write-up on two genres.
Please comment/help me out, since english is not my first language and all.

It hard to specify everyhing, since it's a big melting pot and some bands fit into multiple genres or developed over the years. But hey, I tried. :)

Doom Metal
Doom metal was born in the eighties and like almost any metal genre hugely inspired by Black Sabbath. The debate about Black Sabbath actually being doom metal or not still rages on to this day, but no matter your opinion, their influence on the doom genre has been enormous.
While doom metal has some of it's roots in blues music, the blues sound is dropped, but the blue note not.
The slow, pessimistic and heavy sound played by mostly downtuned guitars is a trademark. In the eighties the typical Black Sabbath sound was developed further by bands like Candlemass, Saint Vitus, Trouble and Pentagram, in the form of traditional doom.
In the nineties doom metal developed even further and combined it's sound with influences from almost any other metal genre and even took influences from outside the metal genre. This experimentation caused a huge diversity in bands within the doom metal genre. With doom subgenres as depressive black, doom/death, funeral doom, sludge, gothic doom, (ambient) drone doom and so on.

Drone, Classical and Stoner, Sludge metal
A big potpouri of genres thrown on a pile, it might seem.
But on closer inspection they're related.
The genres named in this category are influenced by or developed out of the already broad genre of doom metal.
Drone took the slow and heavy riffing of doom metal even further. With downtuned guitars and riffs hardly decipherable, this is a very extreme genre that is mainly the terrain of bands like EARTH, Boris and Sunn O))).
The stoner metal genre, also hugely influenced by Black Sabbath, took the blues aspect more into account. But not only the blues sound, also the psychedelic sound of Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin and others were taken in. All in all this created a gerne of mellowed, laid back music, with a profound love for psychedelic and mariuhana induced excursions.
Main bands: Sleep, Bongzilla and Weedeater.
Sludge metal came to be as doom metal musicians starting adding agressive and abrasive hardcore influenced sounds to their compositions. Starting out with bands as Crowbar and Eyehategod, the genre developed over the years with bands as ISIS and Neurosis who added a more atmosperical and layered sound.

[Dimmu Burger]

Guys, I just made a genre write-up on two genres.
Please comment/help me out, since english is not my first language and all.

Doom Metal
Doom metal was born in the eighties and like almost any metal genre hugely inspired by Black Sabbath. The debate about Black Sabbath actually being doom metal or not still rages on to this day, but no matter your opinion, their influence on the doom genre has been enormous.
While doom metal has some of it's roots in blues music, the blues sound is dropped, but the blue note not.
The slow, pessimistic and heavy sound played by mostly downtuned guitars is a trademark. In the eighties the typical Black Sabbath sound was developed further by bands like Candlemass, Saint Vitus, Trouble and Pentagram, in the form of traditional doom.
In the nineties doom metal developed even further and combined it's sound with influences from almost any other metal genre and even took influences from outside the metal genre. This experimentation caused a huge diversity in bands within the doom metal genre. With doom subgenres as depressive black, doom/death, funeral doom, sludge, gothic doom, (ambient) drone doom and so on.

Drone, Classical and Stoner, Sludge metal
A big potpouri of genres thrown on a pile, it might seem.
But on closer inspection closely they're related.
The genres named in this category are influenced by or developed out of the already broad genre of doom metal.
Drone took the slow and heavy riffing of doom metal even further. With downtuned guitars and riffs hardly decipherable, this is a very extreme genre that is mainly the terrain of bands like EARTH, Boris and Sunn O))).
The stoner metal genre, also hugely influenced by Black Sabbath, took the blues aspect more into account. But not only the blues sound, also the psychedelic sound of Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin and others were taken in. All in all this created a gerne of mellowed, laid back music, with a profound love for psychedelic and mariuhana induced excursions.
Main bands: Sleep, Bongzilla and Weedeater.
Sludge metal came to be as doom metal musicians starting adding agressive and abrasive hardcore influenced sounds to their compositions. Starting out with bands as Crowbar and Eyehategod, the genre developed over the years with bands as ISIS and Neurosis who added a more atmosperical and layered sound.

It hard to specify everyhing, since it's a big melting pot and some bands fit into multiple genres or developed over the years. But hey, I tried. :)

That is better that most people who's first language is english. And it is correct contentwise as well.

Ok you edited in some bad english, lol. Just the bold word is not needed at the begining of the second genre. But good job!

[the2stranger]

Thanks a ton!
:)

[Stevie II]

Doom Metal
Doom metal was born in the eighties and like almost any metal genre was hugely inspired by Black Sabbath. The debate about whether Black Sabbath is actually doom metal or not still rages on to this day, but no matter what you believe, their influence on the doom genre has been enormous.
While doom metal has some of it's roots in blues music, the blues sound is dropped, but the blue note not.
The slow, pessimistic and heavy sound played by mostly downtuned guitars is a trademark of the genre. In the eighties the typical Black Sabbath sound was developed further by bands like Candlemass, Saint Vitus, Trouble and Pentagram in the form of traditional doom.
In the nineties doom metal developed even further and combined it's sound with influences from almost any other metal genre and even took influences from outside the metal genre. This experimentation caused a huge diversity in bands within the doom metal genre. Subgenres of doom metal include depressive black, doom/death, funeral doom, sludge, gothic doom, (ambient) drone doom and so on.

Drone, Classical and Stoner, Sludge metal
A big potpouri of genres thrown on a pile, it might seem, but on closer inspection they're related.
The genres named in this category are influenced by or developed out of the already broad genre of doom metal.
Drone took the slow and heavy riffing of doom metal even further. With downtuned guitars and riffs hardly decipherable, this is a very extreme genre that is mainly the terrain of bands like EARTH, Boris and Sunn O))).
The stoner metal genre, also greatly influenced by Black Sabbath, took the blues aspect more into account. Not only the blues sound, but also the psychedelic sound of Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin and others were incorporated. All in all this created a genre of mellowed, laid back music, with a profound love for psychedelic and marijuana induced excursions.
Main bands: Sleep, Bongzilla and Weedeater.
Sludge metal came to be as doom metal musicians started adding agressive and abrasive hardcore influenced sounds to their compositions. Starting out with bands like Crowbar and Eyehategod, the genre developed over the years with bands such as Isis and Neurosis who added a more atmospherical and layered sound.

I've edited quite a bit here

[the2stranger]

Thanketh thee.

[Stevie II]

I've said it before and I'll say it again - this is certainly not my strong point, describing genres. So please if you want to criticize, completely rewrite or ridicule this then do so, and I will only hold bitter resentment towards you and nothing more.

Black metal

Black metal has its roots in thrash and heavy metal bands such as Venom, Bathory and Mercyful Fate in the 1980s who combined their respective genres with dark aesthetics and satanic imagery that drew inspiration for artists that would later define black metal as a separate genre.

Black metal grew within the early 1990s particularly in Scandinavia where bands created fast, sweeping, melodic and dark music accompanied by often blastbeat drumming and shrieking vocals (although this is not definitive of the genre) with a nihilistic, satanic or pagan pretext. Black metal aims to create a cold, harsh atmosphere reminiscent of winter, death and hatred. The philosophy is largely a revolt against the established Christian society, and embraces individualism, satanism, nature and in many cases national socialism. The stylings of black metal are wide ranging, from simple, raw black metal like Beherit and Darkthrone influenced by acts like Bathory and Sarcofago, to blasting, chaotic black metal like Dissection and Marduk, influenced by death metal and traditional heavy metal.

Whilst black metal is diverse in style it is all bound by the same basis, atmosphere and philosophy that defines black metal. Many have embraced the idea that black metal is about satanism exclusively, though differing views within black metal are present. A national socialist sentiment in black metal was part of black metal since bands like Burzum and Graveland started, though it was not until recently that bands emerged that were overtly national socialistic creating a sort of subgenre of black metal.

[the2stranger]

Pretty good man, you could add some stuff about NS BM since were talking about strong philosophical statements within the genre.
Maybe a tad bit more info on the aesthetics of the genre?

Also the harsh shrieked vocals which form a distinctive trademark could be mentioned and maybe the production values. Although that has become less relevant over the years.

/Awaits bitter resentment.
:p

[Stevie II]

Death Metal

In the constant quest amongst metal in the 1980s to create the most extreme music known to man death metal was born from a variety of bands in the late 1980s such as Possessed, Morbid Angel and Sepultura who progressed from thrash metal, and created death metal, which abandoned melody and instead embraced dissonant, seemingly disjoint music with distorted vocals. Death metal is as the name would suggest morbid and in doing so embraces and finds meaning of death in life and communicates this morbidity through symbolic lyrics and imagery, whether it be through lyrics devoted to gore or war.

[I feel there's more to add here but I've hit "writer's block" so to speak]

[Stevie II]

Pretty good man, you could add some stuff about NS BM since were talking about strong philosophical statements within the genre.
Maybe a tad bit more info on the aesthetics of the genre?

Also the harsh shrieked vocals which form a distinctive trademark could be mentioned and maybe the production values. Although that has become less relevant over the years.

/Awaits bitter resentment.
:p

>:-[ you receive bitter resentment!

good points, ill edit them in

[Riva]

Stevie, just to let you know you can't "drew inspiration to". The act of drawing (in this case) implies bring something from a remote place towards yourself, so you would have to say that other bands "drew inspiration from them".

[UmphreysHead]

Jam Band
The Jam Band genre is incredibly vast and diverse. There is no criteria for what the music has to sound like. It is based extensively around improvisation. Often at these kinds of concerts there will be "jams" that can last anywhere from 5 minutes, to over an hour. Four of arguably the most popular Jam bands all have different musical stylings, ranging from Bluegrass to Alternative rock.

Since the cornerstone of Jam Bands is improv., tapes live performances are how most bands gain popularity. Fans will often travel around the country with a single group for years on end. The idea behind this being if you go to an Umphrey's McGee concert on Saturday, what you see on Sunday night will most likely be completely different. Live taping is also very prominent, most bands will allow (encourage to a point) fans to bring in their own microphones and equipment to tape the audio of shows and distribute freely amongst each other. Such website as www.archive.org and bt.etree.org are hosts to these many recordings.

One last thing that is worth mentioning is the recreational drug use present in the Jam Band Community. It is not uncommon (almost likely) to see fans ingest very small tabs of paper or have marijuana cigarettes pressed between their lips. Just by standing in line to get into a venue you will get bombarded by waves of people walking around with an index finger above their head and a big baggies in their jeans. As a friend of mine once said, you know you're into jam bands when you recognize "doseshroomsbud" as both a statement, and a question.

I don't really know what else to add/take of this, any suggestions are welcome.

[Stevie II]

Stevie, just to let you know you can't "drew inspiration to". The act of drawing (in this case) implies bring something from a remote place towards yourself, so you would have to say that other bands "drew inspiration from them".

yeah, you're right. i wrote that stuff after 5 beers so i'll revise it later

[Stevie II]

Black metal

Black metal has its roots in thrash and heavy metal bands such as Venom, Bathory and Celtic Frost in the early 1980s who combined their respective genres with dark aesthetics and satanic imagery that would be inspiration for artists that would later define black metal as a separate genre. Many fans refer to these bands as part of the 'first wave' of black metal.

The 'second wave' of black metal grew within the early 1990s particularly in Scandinavia where bands created fast, sweeping, melodic and dark music accompanied by often blastbeat drumming and shrieking vocals (although this is not definitive of the genre) with a nihilistic, satanic or pagan pretext. Black metal aims to create a cold, harsh atmosphere reminiscent of winter, death and hatred. The philosophy is largely a revolt against the established Christian society, and embraces individualism, satanism, misanthropy, nature and in many cases national socialism. Black metal has a wide range of styles, from simple, raw black metal such as Beherit and Darkthrone, who drew influence from acts like Bathory and Sarcofago, to blasting, chaotic black metal like Dissection and Marduk, influenced also by death metal and traditional heavy metal.

The diverse styles of black metal are bound by the same basis, atmosphere and philosophy that defines black metal. Many have embraced the idea that black metal is about satanism exclusively, though differing views within black metal are present. A national socialist sentiment in black metal was part of black metal amongst some of the 'second wave' of black metal with bands like Burzum and Graveland, though it was not until recently that bands emerged that were overtly national socialistic.

howzatden?

[Iai]

Pop Rock/Powerpop/Glam Rock

As the 1970s dawned, popular music had exploded into adulthood following the rapid growth spurt of psychedelia, and sales were at an all-time high thanks to the ever-increasing presence of pop on the radio and television, and a rapidly expanding adult audience. The more cynical out there might claim that glam rock, power pop, and New Wave were no more than the attempts of major record labels to cash in on the rock trend by repackaging it for kids and girls, but culturally and musically, the importance of several of the artists involved cannot be understated. David Bowie struck a major blow for artists everywhere by claiming to be gay and reinventing himself as an androgynous alien; Marc Bolan's transition from hippie strum to glam stomp made him one of the first real cult heroes in rock; Elvis Costello's nerdy glasses and pop nous were instrumental in helping punk and all its less antisocial offshoots survive throughout the '80s. At its best, pop rock offers the listener unforgettable hooks served with just enough subversion to avoid being vacuous, as the murder ballad "Alison", the ode to heroin "Another Girl, Another Planet", and the deliriously gay "Jey Boy Jet Girl" - classics one and all - will attest.

[Jom]

ooohhh Iai stealing Dave's category ooohhh

[2muchket!]

I swear if Glass Casket aint top of the deathcore list, then it has no real credibility

[Eliminator]

Jam Band
The Jam Band genre is incredibly vast and diverse. There is no criteria for what the music has to sound like. It is based extensively around improvisation. Often at these kinds of concerts there will be "jams" that can last anywhere from 5 minutes, to over an hour. Four of arguably the most popular Jam bands all have different musical stylings, ranging from Bluegrass to Alternative rock.

Since the cornerstone of Jam Bands is improv., tapes live performances are how most bands gain popularity. Fans will often travel around the country with a single group for years on end. The idea behind this being if you go to an Umphrey's McGee concert on Saturday, what you see on Sunday night will most likely be completely different. Live taping is also very prominent, most bands will allow (encourage to a point) fans to bring in their own microphones and equipment to tape the audio of shows and distribute freely amongst each other. Such website as www.archive.org and bt.etree.org are hosts to these many recordings.

One last thing that is worth mentioning is the recreational drug use present in the Jam Band Community. It is not uncommon (almost likely) to see fans ingest very small tabs of paper or have marijuana cigarettes pressed between their lips. Just by standing in line to get into a venue you will get bombarded by waves of people walking around with an index finger above their head and a big baggies in their jeans. As a friend of mine once said, you know you're into jam bands when you recognize "doseshroomsbud" as both a statement, and a question.

I don't really know what else to add/take of this, any suggestions are welcome.

yeah good job talking about the music

faggot

[Dave de Sylvia]

It is not uncommon (almost likely) to see fans ingest very small tabs of paper
hahaha

[Jom]

I'm hoping for a more objective write-up but it'll do, I suppose. I thought the first paragraph was great, but I pretty much got turned off by the rest of it, especially at the "a friend of mine once said" part.

[dinosaurxbrocore]

jom, is it cool that i editted thrash and grind into my final list or will those not be counted?

[Dave de Sylvia]

Vast and diverse, there is no criteria for what jam rock has to sound like. It is based extensively around improvisation and live performances, where "jams" can last anywhere from 5 minutes to over an hour. Fans will often travel around the country with a single group for years on end. Live taping is also very prominent, and most bands will allow (encourage to a point) fans to bring in their own microphones and equipment to tape the audio of shows and distribute freely on websites such as www.archive.org and bt.etree.org as well as via tapes and CDs. As a friend of mine once said, "something about drugs."

[Jom]

jom, is it cool that i editted thrash and grind into my final list or will those not be counted?

Of course they'll be counted, dude -- they're in before the deadline, so it's legit. I was wondering what everyone's thoughts were on a deadline. I'm disappointed in the turn-out so far :(

[Stevie II]

Of course they'll be counted, dude -- they're in before the deadline, so it's legit. I was wondering what everyone's thoughts were on a deadline. I'm disappointed in the turn-out so far :(

trouble is people have posted their lists here and not checked back on it since. maybe we could copy lists that wern't submitted to the final list?

[Arucard]

make sure these guys get a mention as the best black metal band of all time

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=J0n5bwdoPzY

[dinosaurxbrocore]

um wat about dimmu borgir?

[2muchket!]

Maybe a few announcements across the forums would be worthwhile ?

idk setting a deadline might help to encourage people to post

[Jom]

trouble is people have posted their lists here and not checked back on it since. maybe we could copy lists that wern't submitted to the final list?

How is that troubling? It's not my problem if people can't read, and I said that there'd be an announcement to get lists carried over and/or in... can't make an announcement without people giving me a deadline.

[the2stranger]

I don't know about a deadline.
Maybe sunday midnight, Jom time?
Or do we want to stretch it a bit further and say a week, to make sure everyone (hopefully) revisited MX.

Those two are my suggestions, lemme know.

[Kage]

Keep it up for another week, I say. No need to rush things.

[Jom]

Yeah, let's shoot for the 23rd or 24th, maybe into the 25th.

[the2stranger]

That sounds ok. :)

[UmphreysHead]

The Jam Band genre is incredibly vast and diverse. There is no criteria for what the music has to sound like. It is based extensively around improvisation. At these kinds of concerts there are multiple "jams" that can last anywhere from 5 minutes, to over an hour. Jam bands have all kinds of different musical stylings, ranging from Bluegrass to Alternative rock, to Progressive. The cornerstone of Jam Bands are live performances; fans will often travel around the country with a single group for years on end. Live taping is also very prominent, most bands encourage fans to bring in their own microphones and equipment to tape the audio of shows and distribute freely amongst each other on such websites as www.archive.org.

This might look a bit better.

[ekajsk8er]

METAL

A. Traditional Heavy Metal
1. Iron Maiden - Number of the Beast
2. Black Sabbath - Paranoid
3. Motorhead - Ace of Spades
4. Iron Maiden - Piece of Mind
5. Judas Priest - British Steel

B. Death Metal
1. Death - Symbolic
2. At the Gates - Slaughter of the Soul
3. Cryptopsy - None So Vile
4.
5.

C. Thrash Metal
1. Slayer - Reign in Blood
2. Kreator - Terrible Certainty
3. Municipal Waste - Hazardous Mutation
4. Anthrax - Among the Living
5. Megadeth - Peace Sells...but Who's Buying?

G. Progressive Metal
1. Opeth - Blackwater Park
2.
3.
4.
5.

I. Grind
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

J. Metalcore
1. Botch - We Are the Romans
2. Converge - Jane Doe
3. Every Time I Die - Hot Damn!
4.
5.

M. Drone/Traditional & Stoner Sludge Metal
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

ROCK

A. Classic Rock
1. Led Zeppelin - IV
2. Deep Purple - Machine Head
3. The Rolling Stones - Exile on Main Street
4. Dark Side of the Moon - Pink Floyd
5.

B. Mainstream Rock
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

C. Hard Rock/Hair Metal/Sleaze
1. Guns N' Roses - Appetite for Destruction
2. Motley Crue - Shout at the Devil
3.
4.
5.

D. Pop Rock/Powerpop/Glam Rock
1. Green Day - Dookie
2. Weezer - The Blue Album
3.
4.
5.

E. Alternative
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

F. Post-Rock/Post-Metal/"Atmospheric Sludge Metal"
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

G. Progressive Rock
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

M. Noise Rock
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

N. Stoner Rock
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

in the works...

[Jom]

Dudes and ladies,

What happened? Did this seriously collapse out of lack of interest?

[Angmar]

Sadly I think some people didn't really pay attention to the fact that this thread was for rough drafts and haven't bothered to post their final copy.

:-/

[Jom]

I'll make sure to have a stronger announcement/thread tomorrow. I'll see what everybody says. Personally, I thought all the critical genres were covered and I thought it would be a little more successful than what has been showed so far :\

[pate]

I'm planning on posting my final lists today.

[Stevie II]

not much more to say ?

i'm going to rewrite my death metal part today or tomorrow when i get time

[the2stranger]

I'll make sure to have a stronger announcement/thread tomorrow. I'll see what everybody says. Personally, I thought all the critical genres were covered and I thought it would be a little more successful than what has been showed so far :\
Same. :-\

I think most people would really love to see this stuff up, but not too many people are jumpy to write genre descriptions.
But I think as far as lists go, we have covered the most important part. Although some rough drafts could use a finalization.

[Stevie II]

40 odd participants isn't bad

[the2stranger]

I didn't actually count, but that's more then I thought actually. :eek:

Is that for final lists?

[Stevie II]

well 41 replies to final list thread....

[the2stranger]

Cool.

Well, then I take my statement back, still it's a shame only four final genre descriptions have been made.

[2muchket!]

Metalcore

Fusing together the raw intensity of Hardcore with the technical prowess and aggression of metal, Metalcore bore rise to many underground bands throughout the 1990's. Key characteristics to the genre being a mix of melodic passages, at times complex musicianship and the most recognisable feature: the breakdown.

Bands like Botch, Converge, Poison The Well and 7 Angels 7 Plagues helped pioneer and popularize the genre each releasing acclaimed albums such as We Are The Romans, Jane Doe, The Opposite of December and Jhazmyne's Lullaby.

These artists along with other external influences such as Melodic Death Metal helped influence a more commercially popular 2nd wave of bands in the 21st Century, such as Killswitch Engage, As I Lay Dying and Parkway Drive.

EDIT : Meh criticise if you like but I'm shattered and a bit drunk

[Shadius]

Meh, these lists are gay. Artists who fit cleanly into genres will automatically be over-represented.

I mean, "Traditional Heavy Metal" is set up for bands like Maiden and Sabbath while classic rock automatically recalls Zeppelin and AC/DC, you know what I mean?

To pick a examples everyone will know, where does Green Day fit? Pop punk? Mainstream Rock? Both, equally really, depending upon the album maybe. Pink Floyd, classic? progressive?

ISIS? If they end up in the post-metal rather than the sludge metal they end up with bands like Sigur Ros and Godspeed, and even Talk Talk. Who they share almost no simularities.

What about melodic death metal bands? Then those albums that sort of defy genres or fit loads simulataniously. Without mentioning bands like Radiohead.

Also, singer-songwriters? I was wondering where to fit Bowie, or Buckley, or whatever, who argueably belong in rock music.. somewhere, though might not represent genre x to the fullest degree.

Maybe a list of iconic albums should be constructed, and they could be put in genres by a team of experts who can tag them in various genres rather than all the confusion with putting them in a single genre.

[Jom]

Artists who fit cleanly into genres will automatically be over-represented.

... that was the point?

[Dimmu Burger]

I think he means that bands that don't cleanly fit into a genre will be under represented.

[pate]

That's fine.

This isn't about representing bands, it's about representing genres. Bands that "fit cleanly" should be the ones that are there.

[Stevie II]

Exactly - this is a startingpoint for genres so 'cross genres' bands are not very relevant. Also this list doesn't account for influential bands - eg I haven't seen Celtic Frost there despite their importance, but really Celtic Frost's material isn't amongst the top 5 for any genre, really.

[Shadius]

Sticking to these genres means the list misses out on most of my favourite music. Or, means people arn't sure which genre to put music into because theres so many crossovers. Few bands fit into just one of these genres.

And influentiality would be better represented by a decade by decade (or less) scale, too. The first bands to start a genre, how movement progressed and moved to other areas, thats more important than pigeon-hole'ing.

[2muchket!]

Sadly I think some people didn't really pay attention to the fact that this thread was for rough drafts and haven't bothered to post their final copy.

:-/

well they're imbeciles

[Stevie II]

Sticking to these genres means the list misses out on most of my favourite music. Or, means people arn't sure which genre to put music into because theres so many crossovers. Few bands fit into just one of these genres.

And influentiality would be better represented by a decade by decade (or less) scale, too. The first bands to start a genre, how movement progressed and moved to other areas, thats more important than pigeon-hole'ing.

there's a limit to where this list can go or else it's just going to get bigger and bigger. this is not a favorites list. if i want to get into doom metal this list shows me where to start and it's up to me whether i go deeper into it and this list is not a matter of spoon feeding you exactly where to go.

[UmphreysHead]

Exactly, the entire point is that this thread is not about favorites.

[Jom]

Just moving this for Frankie:

Metalcore

Fusing together the raw intensity of Hardcore with the technical prowess and aggression of metal, Metalcore bore rise to many underground bands throughout the 1990's. Key characteristics to the genre being a mix of melodic passages, at times complex musicianship and the most recognisable feature: the breakdown.

Bands like Botch, Converge, Poison The Well and 7 Angels 7 Plagues helped pioneer and popularize the genre each releasing acclaimed albums such as We Are The Romans, Jane Doe, The Opposite of December and Jhazmyne's Lullaby.

These artists along with other external influences such as Melodic Death Metal helped influence a more commercially popular 2nd wave of bands in the 21st Century, such as Killswitch Engage, As I Lay Dying and I Killed The Prom Queen.

[2muchket!]

I thought if anyone could do better than I'd gladly seem them try as I didnt include some aspects which some would of liked

[dinosaurxbrocore]

I'd like to add:

Within the metalcore is a large Christian movement with a distinct, dissonant and airy sound pioneered by bands such as Zao, Eso-Charis, This Runs Through, and Underoath.

>_>
<_<

[2muchket!]

Well if you seriously want to Jom can add that in

[Stevie II]

ill rewrite that death metal description i did on tuesday unless someone else is willing to do it.

[2muchket!]

assuming mappy wasnt being a large bundle of sticks I've re-editted my description

Metalcore

Fusing together the raw intensity of Hardcore with the technical prowess and aggression of metal, Metalcore bore rise to many underground bands throughout the 1990's. Key characteristics to the genre being a mix of melodic passages, at times complex musicianship and the most recognisable feature: the breakdown.

Bands like Botch, Converge, Poison The Well and 7 Angels 7 Plagues helped pioneer and popularize the genre each releasing acclaimed albums such as We Are The Romans, Jane Doe, The Opposite of December and Jhazmyne's Lullaby.

These artists along with other external influences such as Melodic Death Metal helped influence a more commercially popular 2nd wave of bands in the 21st Century, such as Killswitch Engage, As I Lay Dying and I Killed The Prom Queen.

Another thing to note is that within metalcore is a large Christian movement with a distinct, dissonant and airy sound pioneered by bands such as Zao, Eso-Charis, This Runs Through, and Underoath.

[Jom]

Bump for a question.

Let's say, for the sake of example, tr00gr1imblackmetulz has two albums: Frozen in Shadows (voted ten times, but at #4 or #5 usually) and Slain Archangel (voted five times, but always #1). Which album should be placed on the official list? The 'losing' album would, of course, be in the endnotes for the genre in the final list.

My inclination at first was to say that the album with more votes should get the nod over the fewer-voted album, but now I'm not real sure. What would you all suggest?

By the way, in case any of you are wondering about the status of the list, I am still shooting for a midweek publication (the appeal thread). Official publication will go up after the appeals :)

I think this is going to look pretty good. Hopefully the appeal thread will garner more interest, too.

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New question:

Say, again, for the sake of example, there's a band called rock+roll=life and they have two albums, A and B. A received 27 votes and B received 14. Should I factor in "B-points" somehow to accommodate those voters who voted for the same band, just a different album, or should I strictly go black-and-white with the votes, and just put B in the genre endnotes?

[UmphreysHead]

Maybe we could do a separate thread for just ties or like you stated in the first one. Unless you think this is just going to wind up being to much unnecessary work.

[Jom]

The work isn't an issue at all - I want this to look good, this is something people can look at and be like, "Yeah, I was a part of this, the final product looks cool."

Let me give a more specific example, for you doom people:

For Candlemass, I received six first place votes for Epicus Doomicus Metallicus.

For Nightfall, I received ten votes, scattered from 1-4.

Which album should take precedence, a six-strong consensus #1, or the scattered ten?

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Fun Fact/Spoiler for Progressive Metal:



Still Life beat out Blackwater Park 12-10 in voting, with a score of 144-117. I was surprised to see this.

[pate]

I think total points should be more important than number of votes, so Epicus would beat Nightfall because of the six #1s.

Say, again, for the sake of example, there's a band called rock+roll=life and they have two albums, A and B. A received 27 votes and B received 14. Should I factor in "B-points" somehow to accommodate those voters who voted for the same band, just a different album, or should I strictly go black-and-white with the votes, and just put B in the genre endnotes?

I think The 'B-Points' should be added to the A-Points, and then album A would be the one on the final list.