Laws of Attraction

[Against Miik!]

Does anybody believe in them, to any extent?

[griftadan]

electro magnetic, gravity, strong and weak nuclear......

[Against Miik!]

No no, those ones are pretty widely accepted. I'm talking about among people and thoughts, the idea that thoughts have frequencies that attract certain things.

[1338 h4x0r]

No no, those ones are pretty widely accepted. I'm talking about among people and thoughts, the idea that thoughts have frequencies that attract certain things.

wait

what

[PerpetualBurn]

Everybody download "The Secret".

And then delete it without watching it.

Or don't download it at all because it's completely ****ing retarded.

[Against Miik!]

Yes, most of it is. Like the parts about being able to heal sickness or bring material with positive thoughts.

But in a less specific sense, I just want to know if there is anything to it. Is it kind of a self fulfilling prophecy, that positive thinkers think that way because they have things? Or do they have things because they are positive thinkers?

[Russell]

I'm an existentialist, so I disagree.

[PerpetualBurn]

Yes, most of it is. Like the parts about being able to heal sickness or bring material with positive thoughts.

But in a less specific sense, I just want to know if there is anything to it. Is it kind of a self fulfilling prophecy, that positive thinkers think that way because they have things? Or do they have things because they are positive thinkers?

It's self-fulfilling in that if you think every crappy event is a beautiful wonderful thing then I'm sure you'll be more satisfied with life. I'd just hate to be such a tit like that.

[Against Miik!]

Ok, so that brings up another issue. Would you rather be happy? Or realistic?

[Meatplow]

For a while there everyone was reading The Secret, and carrying on about this.

I'd rather put my faith in the power of positive thinking working for the individual, not some mystical veneer wrapped around it which gets explained by universal laws.

Also it puts victimisation on people who don't think positive, which is something I find strongly offensive because sometimes circumstances and their personal impact are outside peoples control.

[samariah]

people, in general though, allow circumstances to control their happiness too much

[1338 h4x0r]

Ok, so that brings up another issue. Would you rather be happy? Or realistic?

"The fact that the believer is happier than the skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one."

G.B. Shaw

people, in general though, allow circumstances to control their happiness too much

Happy people are more easily caught off guard, so there is some advantage in being a wretch

[samariah]

what do you mean specifically by being caught off guard? i don't know how to explain myself. i feel realistic yet im pretty much always content regardless of my situation.

[Russell]

Happy people are more easily caught off guard, so there is some advantage in being a wretch

not necessarily. See your quote above.

[1338 h4x0r]

what do you mean specifically by being caught off guard? i don't know how to explain myself. i feel realistic yet im pretty much always content regardless of my situation.

I am always mentally prepared for the worst outcome (which happens frequently) and I usually view other humans with dark suspicion. It's very hard to connive me.

not necessarily. See your quote above.

eh?

[samariah]

you don't have to be religous or intoxicated to be deeply content either

[Russell]

eh?

Happiness does not have specific character traits.

[PerpetualBurn]

Ok, so that brings up another issue. Would you rather be happy? Or realistic?

False dichotomy.

[1338 h4x0r]

Happiness does not have specific character traits.

Some of them are closely related, and not without reason.

[Russell]

Some of them are closely related, and not without reason.

How? Just because somebody behaves in a certain way there is no guarantee of happiness or a lack thereof.

[1338 h4x0r]

Alright true, but I personally find that people who are happy all the time usually are kind of gullible. Skeptics are often pretty miserable.

[Against Miik!]

False dichotomy.

Not for a sane person. It is impossible to happy all, or hell, even most of the time, for the majority of the public. To remain a happy person, you almost have to live in some sort of willfull ignorance.

There are, as always though, exceptions. It's not a false dichotomy, but maybe a bit extreme.

[Russell]

Alright true, but I personally find that people who are happy all the time usually are kind of gullible. Skeptics are often pretty miserable.

That may be true, but I would see that as coincidence.

Not for a sane person. It is impossible to happy all, or hell, even most of the time, for the majority of the public. To remain a happy person, you almost have to live in some sort of willfull ignorance.

There are, as always though, exceptions. It's not a false dichotomy, but maybe a bit extreme.

its a false dichotomy because happiness and realism are both subjective.

[samariah]

maybe for the majority of the public, but its possible and you don't have to be insane, just have a different perspective. my happiness doesn't come through ignorance but non attachment to ideas of how things are "supposed" to be.

[1338 h4x0r]

That may be true, but I would see that as coincidence.

idk

If you are a skeptic you usually have a deeper understanding of many things, including how people behave, and see hypocrisy and deceit in a lot of places. Clearly, that tends to be a downer.

[Against Miik!]

its a false dichotomy because happiness and realism are both subjective.

Only to a certain extent, I'd say.

[Russell]

idk

If you are a skeptic you usually have a deeper understanding of many things, including how people behave, and see hypocrisy and deceit in a lot of places. Clearly, that tends to be a downer.

For some people, yes. For all, no.

Only to a certain extent, I'd say.

what do you mean?

[Ando!]

I believe in laws of attraction
I am always right about things I believe in
Therefore laws of attraction are real and work

damn I'm good

[samariah]

idk

If you are a skeptic you usually have a deeper understanding of many things, including how people behave, and see hypocrisy and deceit in a lot of places. Clearly, that tends to be a downer.

for many, yes. however, i take comfort in the fact that i can control myself and choose how i react to things, shape my attitude and what i support/fight against, etc.

[Ando!]

I get sort of a hollow sardonic laughter out of skepticism so idk if that's happy or what

[je suis un beau chapeau]

idk

If you are a skeptic you usually have a deeper understanding of many things, including how people behave, and see hypocrisy and deceit in a lot of places. Clearly, that tends to be a downer.

you cant control other people so theres no point worrying about it and you shouldnt attach your emotional state to external things like that

[samariah]

hat knows whats up

[PerpetualBurn]

Only to a certain extent, I'd say.

Things are either objective or subjective. They can't be a little bit objective.

[Ando!]

Things are either objective or subjective. They can't be a little bit objective.

there are some things that have objective measures of evaluation that at their essence are subjective, take qualifying music

maybe the statement stands with laws of attraction but I don't really know anything about this so idk

[1338 h4x0r]

I get sort of a hollow sardonic laughter out of skepticism so idk if that's happy or what

Cold comfort