I wanan talk about Straight edge

[|~Iceb0x~|]

Tell me all about Straight edge and if you are straight edge..this is my last night drunk so I wanna know if I should like go straight edge afterwards.


Tell me ALL you know about being straight edge..I wanna become the lennin of straight edge in my area

[El_Shiznit]

I actually can't tell if this is serious or not......

[|~Iceb0x~|]

I actually can't tell if this is serious or not......
THIS IS SERIOUS!!!

[t-rex]

i think straight edge is a pretty cool guy, eh stays sober and doesnt afraid of anything

but seriously, straight edge is one of the stupider things to enter into existence. a bunch of kids that cant do anything with out giving themselves some kind of title for it. i dont do drink, do drugs or smoke. do i need to call myself straight edge and draw X's on my hand? no. i can do something with out seeking attention for it. i can do something with out calling my self soemthing. with out associating myself with a group. and i think thats where straight edge has its appeal. the appeal of association. being part of something.

also, i find extremely lame how a lot of sXe kids arent even healthy. sure they dont do drugs or drink or whatever, but they are still skinny *** kids. thats not healthy.

TS, if you dont want to drink, then dont. you dont need to become anything to not drink

[cbmartinez]

beat up kids that are smoking or drinking and you will be legit

[EightMilesHigh]

I always suck at these.

I drink alcohol only at social occasions (I suck at spelling) and maybe three times a year I'll smoke some weed with some friends if they've got some. I never drink just to get drunk, and I never drink alone. I never smoke weed just to get high, and I never smoke alone. I've learned I'm a lightweight, for lack of a better word, and through that I've learned how to moderate.

I've never touched a cigarette in my life and never will, and will never touch a drug beyond marijuana because on my way to work every day I see a colorful assortment of characters offering me and/or high on cocaine, meth, speed, whatever.

Basically, I think if you choose to be sxe, or choose to be a partier, do what you do but don't act like you're cooler for doing it, and don't shove your lifestyle in someone else's face.

I'm tired.

[Jessizzle]

hey baby, how are youu love?

[me likes punk]

I wanna talk about sex, baby.

[IgniteYourAvail]

i think straight edge is a pretty cool guy, eh stays sober and doesnt afraid of anything
Fail

But I agree with you. Most straightedge kids are faggots. I could easily wear straight edge shirts and X up every day, but I don't because I'm not a douchebag.

[Flagjacket]

I GOT AN ICE BOOOOX WHERE MY HEART UUUUUUSED TO BE

I'm so cold im so cold im so cold

[RetiredAt21]

I didn't think people still actually call themselves sXe.

[DrGolovaCroxby]

Oh they do. And the hardline kids still come out to spill your beer and pull cigs out of your mouth. I got no problem with people who abstain from drugs/alcohol/whatever, but don't persecute me because I don't.

[Scuba_Steve]

they dont wanna do it, their choice.


I do want to do it, the choice is mine.

[RetiredAt21]

Oh they do. And the hardline kids still come out to spill your beer and pull cigs out of your mouth. I got no problem with people who abstain from drugs/alcohol/whatever, but don't persecute me because I don't.

Man, **** those kids. Those kids need to be shot.

[AIRIC]

Sometimes I drive drunk.

[lynch_me]

Sometimes I drive drunk.

Good.

[Interstate]

I got no problem with people who abstain from drugs/alcohol/whatever, but don't persecute me because I don't.

This.

[Danger Bird]

I don't do drugs/alcohol but mostly because I'm too lazy to go out and buy weed anymore and I'm not popular enough to be around alcohol that much.

[El_Shiznit]

I'm straight edge and I'm persecuting all you bitches!

[Jessizzle]

im pretty sure i will grow up to be an alcoholic, i got pretty close at one point.

i love my alcohol, but i wont lie, my body feels better the less drugs i do.

ps: dustin, why are you awake?

[El_Shiznit]

I got two papers to write. So I came to mx.

[Eliminator]

xLET THE TRIAL BEGINx

[Iluvatar]

http://www.vimeo.com/207866/

[IgniteYourAvail]

Oh God I remember this video. So old.

[Liebensaft]

Damnit, I missed out on an awesome thread.

[Iluvatar]

Oh God I remember this video. So old.

its like 6 weeks old sorry

i was also the person who posted it herei n the first place lol

[IgniteYourAvail]

No, this is an old video. I remember watching it last year.

[Iluvatar]

I think you are remembering the pain olympics yo

[IgniteYourAvail]

no way dudi

[Iluvatar]

I mean they're almost exactly the same just edge break is hard to watch

[IgniteYourAvail]

xLET THE TRIAL BEGINx

I don't know why but I laughed hard.

[DWittisarockstar]

I'm edge. I just don't X up and tell everyone about it.

[Flagjacket]

can we make this a shout thread

STREET BY STREET

[Liebensaft]

My vegan friend has an ex-girlfriend who was a vegan for awhile but recently started eating meat again. He has an ex-vegan ex.

[Flagjacket]

Good Clean Fun

[cobert]

can we make this a shout thread

STREET BY STREET

BLOCK BY BLOCK

Nothing but lyrics from hear on out CALLED IT

[lynch_me]

Oh God I remember this video. So old.

Obviously it's not a year old. They mention MLIW breaking up and that was recent.

[Feel The Darkness]

BLOCK BY BLOCK

Nothing but lyrics from hear on out CALLED IT

TAKING IT ALL BACK!


this thread is ****ing stupid.

I'm edge. I rule.

That's all that matters.

[BuddyBigsby]

TWO WORDS

STRAIGHT ****ING EDGE

[TBrown87]

I'm straight edge and I'm persecuting all you bitches!

PLEASE!! NO!!!

[Mr. Ron]

Um, moderation is good?

[Liebensaft]

TWO WORDS

STRAIGHT ****ING EDGE

cool dude alert, sound the alarms.

[Ghostfire3]

I don't do drugs/alcohol but mostly because I'm too lazy to go out and buy weed anymore and I'm not popular enough to be around alcohol that much.

Those reasons were pathetic. Too lazy to buy weed and not popular enough to be around alcohol?

1. Weed is seriously one of the easiest things to get.

2. You definitely don't need to be popular to be around alcohol. Alcohol is like the most universal drug/substance there is.


I'm definitely not straight edge, but I have respect for kids who are and are not dicks about it. I only do drugs that open my mind and expand my consciousness, but I don't try and make others do them. :)

I really don't do any drugs that are basically meant for the sole purpose to just **** you up (coke, meth, heroin, etc.) and I don't do drugs just to get ****ed up.

[Feel The Darkness]

TWO WORDS

STRAIGHT ****ING EDGE

[cobert]

TWO WORDS

STRAIGHT ****ING EDGE

[IgniteYourAvail]

**** YOU, I'M EDGE

[Mr. Ron]

Hi I am edge and been so for 6 years now I am a vegan I only drink green tea I only have band shirts for clothing and have a palm pilot and I enjoy getting some seriouz asian themed sleeve tattoozzz

[IgniteYourAvail]

Not really funny.

Obviously it's not a year old. They mention MLIW breaking up and that was recent.

Then why does it say June 8, 2007?

[Mr. Ron]

it wasn't meant to be funny

[wartomods]

i drink ocasionaly in the weekends , but jusst to the happy state, no further, i've tried hookah a couple of times... I am not into that... but believe me the first time i play a gig I will have a couple of beers beside me

[Liebensaft]

drinking + playing music = difficult

First time I tried playing a show like that, I messed up bad. The couple times after that though...well, they went a lot better.

[Flagjacket]

This is MX not drug counseling

[wartomods]

drinking + playing music = difficult

First time I tried playing a show like that, I messed up bad. The couple times after that though...well, they went a lot better.

yeah drunk is not good, but a pint before, and one during, just does good to loosen up

[Liebensaft]

This is MX not drug counseling

thankfully

[BuddyBigsby]

cool dude alert, sound the alarms.

Huh? You're out of your element, Donnie.

[Liebensaft]

Huh? You're out of your element, Donnie.

the name Donnie means nothing to me, except reminds me of a kid I used to work with who could barely speak. He slurred and was quiet and I usually just said "yeah" because I couldn't understand what he was saying.

[lynch_me]

the name Donnie means nothing to me, except reminds me of a kid I used to work with who could barely speak. He slurred and was quiet and I usually just said "yeah" because I couldn't understand what he was saying.

It's from the big lebowski, you fool.

[cobert]

the name Donnie means nothing to me, except reminds me of a kid I used to work with who could barely speak. He slurred and was quiet and I usually just said "yeah" because I couldn't understand what he was saying.

Failure caused by lack of Big Lebowski recognition.

[Liebensaft]

Damnit, I'm embarrassed now. I only saw the Big Lebowski once, which is about 13 times fewer than the average person has seen it.

I'm definitely a failure.

[Flagjacket]

I've never seen that movie and I recognize the reference.

Joe from a totally unbiased standpoint you have yet to make a funny joke in this thread step up your humor game plz.

[Ghostfire3]

I actually just saw that movie for the first time a week ago.

[Liebensaft]

Kevin, I haven't made any posts in this thread with the deliberate intention of getting other people to laugh at them.

[Flagjacket]

So you've purposely made like four dumb, awkward posts for no reason.

[Liebensaft]

They were pretty poignant. And this is the internet, not everything has to be relevant, dumbass.

[Flagjacket]

POIGNANT MEANS SURPRISINGLY DEEP WHICH YOUR POSTS ARE NOT!

gosh joe tell a knock knock joke or something

[Liebensaft]

Knock knock

who's there?

Kevin

ughhhhhhhhhhh, tell him I'm not home

[IgniteYourAvail]

Kevin your good posts to bad posts ratio is the worst of any person here

you're batting like .115

[Ill Reality]

My vegan friend has an ex-girlfriend who was a vegan for awhile but recently started eating meat again. He has an ex-vegan ex.

This had me weak.


This however:

i think straight edge is a pretty cool guy, eh stays sober and doesnt afraid of anything

but seriously, straight edge is one of the stupider things to enter into existence. a bunch of kids that cant do anything with out giving themselves some kind of title for it. i dont do drink, do drugs or smoke. do i need to call myself straight edge and draw X's on my hand? no. i can do something with out seeking attention for it. i can do something with out calling my self soemthing. with out associating myself with a group. and i think thats where straight edge has its appeal. the appeal of association. being part of something.

also, i find extremely lame how a lot of sXe kids arent even healthy. sure they dont do drugs or drink or whatever, but they are still skinny *** kids. thats not healthy.

TS, if you dont want to drink, then dont. you dont need to become anything to not drink


S my D plz.

[BuddyBigsby]

the name Donnie means nothing to me, except reminds me of a kid I used to work with who could barely speak. He slurred and was quiet and I usually just said "yeah" because I couldn't understand what he was saying.

Everything's a ****ing travesty with you, man.

[Liebensaft]

Everything's a ****ing travesty with you, man.

intellectual checkmate, you got me

[Badmoon]

I thought you guys were punk

i got $20 on a fun-bag

[Flagjacket]

Kevin your good posts to bad posts ratio is the worst of any person here

you're batting like .115

Your system of judgment includes multiple punk equivalents of "Moneyball stats.

[Special Brew]

Straight edge works for some people, but not for me. Some of those dudes are good people, but the younger ones are generally idiots. Some of my band mates are straight edge, and they're just fine with me being a drunkard on stage with them. I claimed it too, when I was younger and thought it was cool, but it wasn't really me

[me likes punk]

I thought you guys were punk

i got $20 on a fun-bag

Please don't ever refer to drugs as a "fun-bag" again.

[Spenser]

Most of the folks I know who call themselves "straight edge" are either:

A. Trying to be trendy
B. Not old enough to buy alcohol or cigs
C. Not cool enough to hook up with drugs
D. Church goers
F. Like to ask these kind of dumbass questions on internet forums.

**** straight edge, and **** you.

:chug:

[Sammy_L_D]

Most of the folks I know who call themselves "straight edge" are either:

A. Trying to be trendy
B. Not old enough to buy alcohol or cigs
C. Not cool enough to hook up with drugs
D. Church goers
F. Like to ask these kind of dumbass questions on internet forums.

**** straight edge, and **** you.

:chug:

Failure.

Neg'd.

[Feel The Darkness]

Most of the folks I know who call themselves "straight edge" are either:

A. Trying to be trendy
B. Not old enough to buy alcohol or cigs
C. Not cool enough to hook up with drugs
D. Church goers
F. Like to ask these kind of dumbass questions on internet forums.

**** straight edge, and **** you.

:chug:

A. **** you. As if people don't drink or smoke to be trendy. Get you head outta your ***.
B. Age is not an issue because kids can still get alcohol and tobacco. I used to.
C. I used to sell drugs.
D. Hail Satan.
F. Well you're just as much of a dumbass for replying. fgt.

Straight Edge makes me more punk than most. Iller than most.

**** you.

[dub sean]

oh my oh my oh my i had no idea straight edge was even this big a deal.

I enjoy the daily joint, the occasional snowball, and all the lsd ans shroom trips in between, but really, straight edge is a waste of time.

Explore kids, stop sitting at a computer all day and ****ing EXPLORE.

[Feel The Darkness]

I enjoy the daily joint, the occasional snowball, and all the lsd ans shroom trips in between, but really, straight edge is a waste of time.

The same could be said about enjoying the daily joint, the occasional snowball, and all the lsd ans shroom trips in between.

It seems non-edge kids have a bigger problem with Straight Edge than edge kids do with them.

I mean, I used to smoke weed, drink and sell drugs, but now I just hang out w/ people who smoke weed, drink and sell drugs. I just happen to not partake in it anymore.

[Spenser]

A. **** you. As if people don't drink or smoke to be trendy. Get you head outta your ***.
B. Age is not an issue because kids can still get alcohol and tobacco. I used to.
C. I used to sell drugs.
D. Hail Satan.
F. Well you're just as much of a dumbass for replying. fgt.

Straight Edge makes me more punk than most. Iller than most.

**** you.

a. I can't speak for others, but no, I don't.
b. Read my post. I was referring to most of the straight edge people I know.
c. So?
D. heh. ok then.
e. you forgot e.
f. wow. thanks for "putting me in my place."

[Feel The Darkness]

a. I can't speak for others, but no, I don't.
b. Read my post. I was referring to most of the straight edge people I know.
c. So?
D. heh. ok then.
e. you forgot e.
f. wow. thanks for "putting me in my place."
A. Well most do. Just as some people will be edge to be trendy. We live in a bullshit society of superficiality and everyone just wants to be cool. Edge or not.

B. I'm still not old enough to buy alcohol, but if I tried, I could.

C. I said that because apparently I'm "cool enough" to hook up with drugs, being that I used to sell them.

D. Word. Satanas te cuida.

E. Correction. YOU forgot "E".

F. You're welcome.

[lynch_me]

Yo, we told these new guys J's always been crazy.

[dub sean]

The same could be said about enjoying the daily joint, the occasional snowball, and all the lsd ans shroom trips in between.

It seems non-edge kids have a bigger problem with Straight Edge than edge kids do with them.

I mean, I used to smoke weed, drink and sell drugs, but now I just hang out w/ people who smoke weed, drink and sell drugs. I just happen to not partake in it anymore.


I don't have a problem with them unless they try to tell me they are better than me.

[Liebensaft]

I can't believe this thread hasn't gotten Nick to crawl out from under his bridge and grace us with his presence. Yet.

[Feel The Darkness]

I don't have a problem with them unless they try to tell me they are better than me.
I didn't have to claim edge to know I'm better than you.

[RetiredAt21]

Hail Satan.

[Ghostfire3]

It seems non-edge kids have a bigger problem with Straight Edge than edge kids do with them.

I don't know about that....

I would say it's about equal on both sides. I have had many experiences where straight edge kids looked down upon me for doing drugs. I don't look down on others for living the lifestyles that they choose so I expect the same attitude from others.

Maybe I've just happened to have negative experiences with straight edge kids, but all the ones I've met gave me the impression that they thought they were better than me for not doing drugs.

Furthermore, all of the straight edge kids I've met have been extremely ignorant about drugs. Not everyone does drugs for the sole purpose of getting ****ed up. Also, straight edge kids seem to have the common conception that any illegal drug at all is bad, no matter what kind it is or what it does. There are such large distinctions between different types of drugs that they cannot really be generalized in such a way.


Comments, thoughts, opinions anyone?

[Jessizzle]

im kinda in the middle on all of this.

i mean respecting your body is cool, obviously i feel much better not smoking and lack of drinking helps my poor liver out...

but then again i know i can have fun without drugs or alcohol.... but man is it fun to just get stupid drunk!

the key ladies and gentlemen is to find middle ground.. everything comes in variation.. find the way of the buddha.

[RetiredAt21]

Moderation is key, at least with the heavy drugs. Weed is pretty much cool to smoke whenever.

[Flagjacket]

No in my experience people who do drugs tend to have more of a problem with kids who don't edge or not. It's always been "Why don't you blaze on 420?" "Why don't you want to do this 8 ball?" "Why don't you want to sip on this Olde English?"

[Ghostfire3]

Well, those are the morons of the drug subculture but there's morons on both sides.

[El_Shiznit]

I never did drugs or smoked cigarettes. Never had promiscuous sex. Always had that PMA. I did used to drink heavily like almost every day back in high school.

Then I realized I was an idiot for doing so.

[Flagjacket]

Well, those are the morons of the drug subculture but there's morons on both sides.

No those are average people who use drugs/drink. I live in an area where that **** is prevalent everywhere.

[Spenser]

E. Correction. YOU forgot "E".


heh. yeah I did. my bad.

My point is... being "straight edge" is a personal decision and really shouldn't have anything to do with the opinions of people who frequent an internet forum. Also, why do you have to classify yourself as "edge" just because you don't drink, smoke, etc.? most if not all of the people I know who take the time to call themselves straight edge are assholes who think they're superior to people who do choose to drink, smoke, and so forth.

[dub sean]

I didn't have to claim edge to know I'm better than you.

haha alright.

[BuddyBigsby]

Anyone in interested in fighting me in the name of the straight edge give me your address.

[Flagjacket]

123 Go Ave
Posi Grove, New York

this joke sucks

[El_Shiznit]

Also, why do you have to classify yourself as "edge" just because you don't drink, smoke, etc.?

Because when people offer me drugs, it's easier for me to say "I'm straight edge" than to say "You're a retard." And they usually appreciate it more too.

[DWittisarockstar]

I live in an area where that **** is prevalent everywhere.

So, you live in America?
most if not all of the people I know who take the time to call themselves straight edge are spatulas who think they're superior to people who do choose to drink, smoke, and so forth.
What the hell is a spatula? And maybe you shouldn't categorize a movement based on a few people you met once.

[Flagjacket]

i no longer strongly identify with straight edge but I do think I'm better than those who choose to drink and do drugs because it takes a real man like me to resist the pressures of society to do such things to gain acceptance.

For the most part this is a conversation where everything is being said again and again but everyone seems new so I will give this thread another page before I make a desicion.

[RetiredAt21]

i no longer strongly identify with straight edge but I do think I'm better than those who choose to drink and do drugs because it takes a real man like me to resist the pressures of society to do such things to gain acceptance.

For the most part this is a conversation where everything is being said again and again but everyone seems new so I will give this thread another page before I make a desicion.

What kind of retard does drugs to gain acceptance? I and most people I know do drugs because they make you feel good and stuff.

[dub sean]

and stuff?

[Ghostfire3]

i no longer strongly identify with straight edge but I do think I'm better than those who choose to drink and do drugs because it takes a real man like me to resist the pressures of society to do such things to gain acceptance.

This is exactly the type of ignorance I'm talking about on the part of anti-drug people. You're assuming that everyone who does drugs does it in order to gain acceptance from others. Now I'm not doubting that there are plenty of people who do do drugs to be cool, but not everyone does.

Some people do it to gain a new perspective on life. Drugs, namely psychedelics, make you think about things in ways you never thought before. They really do, in a way, open your mind to interesting thoughts and realizations.

[RetiredAt21]

and stuff?

That's what I said.

[El_Shiznit]

This is exactly the type of ignorance I'm talking about on the part of anti-drug people.

Pot, meet kettle.

[Liebensaft]

What the hell is a spatula?

lol

[Flagjacket]

This is exactly the type of ignorance I'm talking about on the part of anti-drug people. You're assuming that everyone who does drugs does it in order to gain acceptance from others. Now I'm not doubting that there are plenty of people who do do drugs to be cool, but not everyone does.

Some people do it to gain a new perspective on life. Drugs, namely psychedelics, make you think about things in ways you never thought before. They really do, in a way, open your mind to interesting thoughts and realizations.

I agree with your first paragraph I jumped a line in my statements but that's what I observe in most people around me.

As for your second paragraph, bullshit. True epiphany comes from exchange of ideas with other individuals, not your brain's dopamine receptors.

[DWittisarockstar]

What kind of retard does drugs to gain acceptance? American youth.

[me likes punk]

As for your second paragraph, bullpoop. True epiphany comes from exchange of ideas with other individuals, not your brain's dopamine receptors.

You've never done drugs before have you?

[Iluvatar]

you've never been a sociable person outside of drug use have you?

[RetiredAt21]

People that don't do drugs are cranky it seems.

[Iluvatar]

no but I dislike people who think doing drugs make you more intellectually sound or some **** like that

you never realize anything of substance on drugs. sure i "realized" a few stupid philosophical things but nothing that came close to changing my life, and anyone who does leads a sad life.

[Mr. Ron]

i no longer strongly identify with straight edge but I do think I'm better than those who choose to drink and do drugs because it takes a real man like me to resist the pressures of society to do such things to gain acceptance.

For the most part this is a conversation where everything is being said again and again but everyone seems new so I will give this thread another page before I make a desicion.

Funny, I drink and I choose to, not because of society.

I agree with your first paragraph I jumped a line in my statements but that's what I observe in most people around me.

As for your second paragraph, bullshit. True epiphany comes from exchange of ideas with other individuals, not your brain's dopamine receptors.

Why does it matter where epiphany comes from? What matters is that you have epiphany.







All in all straight edge is just another movement most people phase out of. I don't have a problem with people who are, their choice.

[Flagjacket]

Funny, I drink and I choose to, not because of society.

Why does it matter where epiphany comes from? What matters is that you have epiphany.

All in all straight edge is just another movement most people phase out of. I don't have a problem with people who are, their choice.

Ok.

I've never seen anyone do anything of use while on drugs and I've never heard of it either. It matters to me because it feels like people using drugs is perpetuating the cycle of "sit around do nothing" and "i hate my life but I refuse to do anything about it" not to mention the crime and violence that it brings into my neighborhood.

[DBoons Ghost]

Ok.

I've never seen anyone do anything of use while on drugs and I've never heard of it either. It matters to me because it feels like people using drugs is perpetuating the cycle of "sit around do nothing" and "i hate my life but I refuse to do anything about it" not to mention the crime and violence that it brings into my neighborhood.

You're generalizing a great deal here ya know. It's not fair to generalize. You've never seen anyone do anything of use? Are you the great eye in the sky?

Also, the drug war isn't why there is crime. If drugs were decriminalized and taxed, there would still be poverty and poverty is what causes crime and violence. Drugs are simply another means to an end within poverty.

[Mr. Ron]

Ok.

I've never seen anyone do anything of use while on drugs and I've never heard of it either. It matters to me because it feels like people using drugs is perpetuating the cycle of "sit around do nothing" and "i hate my life but I refuse to do anything about it" not to mention the crime and violence that it brings into my neighborhood.


I suggest you get out more.

[Flagjacket]

You're generalizing a great deal here ya know. It's not fair to generalize. You've never seen anyone do anything of use? Are you the great eye in the sky?

Also, the drug war isn't why there is crime. If drugs were decriminalized and taxed, there would still be poverty and poverty is what causes crime and violence. Drugs are simply another means to an end within poverty.

Yeah because of all the people who have put and end to their poverty because they started dealing drugs. Wait did I confuse "poverty" with "freedom" or "life"?

I mean to speak from only what I have experienced, and I have experienced a great deal of drug use/drug related crime in my life.

[DBoons Ghost]

Yeah because of all the people who have put and end to their poverty because they started dealing drugs. Wait did I confuse "poverty" with "freedom" or "life"?

I mean to speak from only what I have experienced, and I have experienced a great deal of drug use/drug related crime in my life.

You're bitter and terribly biased. You're confusing a lot of things but I suppose it's your right based on your personal experience. I can understand that myself. However, it's not all cut and dry as there are plenty of mitigating circumstances. Being a libertarian myself I don't think extended debate will solve anything. You have your beliefs and they should be respected.

Just to note, dealing drugs doesn't put an end to poverty. It's a cash business and most of those nickel dime corner kids don't get themselves out of poverty by dealing drugs. It's cash business. Sure you can buy a big screen TV, a car, maybe some new threads.. but money is very difficult to launder these days. Most people who deal drugs still live under the guise of poverty and are protected by social programs which keep them in poverty.

If drugs were finally decriminlized, would you be less likely to blame drugs for all the ills in the area in which you live or can you not see past your bias?

[me likes punk]

you've never been a sociable person outside of drug use have you?

I'm a sociable person on drugs or off drugs. I'm a little more outgoing when drunk, but I don't think anyone believes they've had some form of epiphany while intoxicated.

Drugs just open up a different perspective and way of thinking that you usually don't have while sober. I'm from Iowa and there isn't much to do besides sit around and have deep thinking conversations with friends and those conversations are always different when we're on drugs than they are when we aren't. Noboy said drugs are the only road to epiphany, but Kevin said that said that conversation is. Which isn't neccesarily true.

Take five or six grams of mushrooms and you will see God. It's truly a life changing experience. The month or two afterward will be some of the happiest times in your life.

[dub sean]

Take five or six grams of mushrooms and you will see God. It's truly a life changing experience. The month or two afterward will be some of the happiest times in your life.


Yes, take any form of hallucinogen, and you will see the best things. That's why I chose to partake in the consumption of different hallucinogens, because they do not mess with your central nervous system, just your perception. So, I think it's wrong to collect all drug users in one group, as junkies who shoot up heroin share virtually no characteristics with the casual pothead. So, all you straight edge people, don't just assume we're all dope addicts.

[guitarded_chuck]

My group of friends get together once in awhile and smoke some pot. Does that make me a bad person?

I agree, the people who do drugs (including alcohol, its dumb to say drugs/alcohol because alcohol is a drug ffs) to be social, and furthermore [I]need[I] them to social, are sad people. But this doesn't include all people. The curious, educated-on-the-matter people who use drugs moderately are just as well off as the straight-edgers. Life is all about balance.

And I agree, if you take hallucinogens you will have a mind-opening experience. I took mushrooms once and they were great experiences and I felt great for having the experience afterwards.

I don't have a problem with straight-edgers, but don't have an judgmental attitude. You're no cooler than anyone else.

[dub sean]

Drugs don't make you cool. Neither does drinking.
If you need to drink or get smoke or whatever to feel good, then that's really a shame. Drugs should be used to expand your mind, in my opinion.

[me likes punk]

So, it's a bad thing to require a drink or two to be able to open up to someone you aren't too familiar with?

[Brewing Up With]

Alcohol is a great social lubricant. I've met people at the bar that I'm good friends with now because the alcohol made me feel less shy to just open up to people. What's wrong with that?

[El_Shiznit]

The fact that you're killing your organs doing it. There's nothing alcohol can make me do that I can't do sober. Vice versa does not apply.


I never go around preaching my edge to people and tell them how they should live, so don't get the wrong impression. But when it's brought up, I gotta speak my mind.

[DrGolovaCroxby]

but I do think I'm better than those who choose to drink and do drugs

You're no better than anybody else. I don't care if you don't do drugs. In fact, more power to you. But when you get all high and mighty because you don't drink or do drugs, you just make yourself look like an ***. I do drugs and I drink, and bet I've contributed just as much to society as you have.

[BuddyBigsby]

The fact that you're killing your organs doing it.


Its funny because most kids that use this defense say this while at the same time they get balls deep in McDonalds a couple times a week. Moderation is the key.

[DrGolovaCroxby]

Its funny because most kids that use this defense say this while at the same time they get balls deep in McDonalds a couple times a week. Moderation is the key.

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[Liebensaft]

Ok.

I've never seen anyone do anything of use while on drugs and I've never heard of it either.

I'd spout band names, most notably The Beatles, but you only listen to the top 40 of the week on the local hip-hop station.

Not to mention writers, artists, and regular people.

Just because you know idiots who use drugs, you can't make the generalization that everyone who uses or has used drugs is or will become an idiot.

I hate these threads. At least Nicky poo poo closed them.

[cobert]

Its funny because most kids that use this defense say this while at the same time they get balls deep in McDonalds a couple times a week. Moderation is the key.

Hahaha, probably true, most people kill fast food like crazy.

I only eat it when I'm very short on change and I'm dying of starvation, so only once every 2 or 3 months, and even then, only Burger King or Wendy's.

[Flagjacket]

You're no better than anybody else. I don't care if you don't do drugs. In fact, more power to you. But when you get all high and mighty because you don't drink or do drugs, you just make yourself look like an ***. I do drugs and I drink, and bet I've contributed just as much to society as you have.

I'd sya that the fact that I don't contribute to the steady criminalization of my peer group and community makes me a better person than say, those kids who stuck someone up on Grand River Ave. for heroin money.

[guitarded_chuck]

I'd sya that the fact that I don't contribute to the steady criminalization of my peer group and community makes me a better person than say, those kids who stuck someone up on Grand River Ave. for heroin money.

You clearly don't see the difference between heroin/crack/hard drug users/dealers and recreational marijuana/alcohol users. You can't talk so generally about people. Your comparing ordinary people (most people drink, smoke dope, or both) to heroin dealers sticking people up.

And a lot of people need to look at the bigger picture. Many times the reason why people get into drug dealing at a community level is due to living in poverty. Most people aren't born evil and decide "Okay I'm going to contribute to peoples drug using addiction that may eventually kill them meanwhile hold guns to peoples heads who owe me money etc. cliche cliche."

edit: This thread is starting to make me believe that either straight edge really is trendy, or that the propaganda of the "War on Drugs" has people so against anything of this sort that they become completely ignorant when speaking of the issue.

[Flagjacket]

I had the same choice and opportunity to get into the game and I chose not to because I'd rather do something one day to help the neighborhood instead of letting it go on.

I don't differentiate because though the effects and risk involved with alcohol/marijuana and something like crack/heroin is very different, indulging in either end of the spectrum gives the message that "this is okay." I'm not saying that someone is going to see a few guys smoking a blunt in the park and then go down the block and buy a pack of H, but the presence of drug use period, "recreational" or hard is an enabling factor.

And tbh Joe, the whole "take a look at your record shelf" defense has never been valid because A) As enjoyable as music is, do you really think in the end "Sgt. Peppers Marching Band" or "Burnin'" really did anything to help society? B) I listen to Earth Crisis and Youth Of Today

[guitarded_chuck]

I don't differentiate because though the effects and risk involved with alcohol/marijuana and something like crack/heroin is very different, indulging in either end of the spectrum gives the message that "this is okay." I'm not saying that someone is going to see a few guys smoking a blunt in the park and then go down the block and buy a pack of H, but the presence of drug use period, "recreational" or hard is an enabling factor.

So, using your logic, a couple guys drinking beer at a football game or wherever is saying using heroin is okay?

I agree that marijuana use may be associated with the similar, negative, often violent underground as other drugs, but is not always, and let me tell you man, many people who sometimes smoke marijuana are by no means supportive of heroin users.

Using your stance you should support decriminalization, then. Government controlled and priced, out of the hands of violent dealers, off the street. Though you did said alcohol use makes it seem okay... :/

[Brad Norris Fan 777]

Ok.

I've never seen anyone do anything of use while on drugs and I've never heard of it either. It matters to me because it feels like people using drugs is perpetuating the cycle of "sit around do nothing" and "i hate my life but I refuse to do anything about it" not to mention the crime and violence that it brings into my neighborhood.
my sister's an ex-cokehead and she's a doctor, she quit coke AFTER she graduated from med school

[me likes punk]

The fact that you're killing your organs doing it. There's nothing alcohol can make me do that I can't do sober. Vice versa does not apply.


I never go around preaching my edge to people and tell them how they should live, so don't get the wrong impression. But when it's brought up, I gotta speak my mind.

If I have a drink or two my mind is more focused and I can: skateboard, play guitar, write, and speak(I tend to mumble and stutter sometimes when sober) better than I do without the drug.

I'm also a pretty shy person, but after 2+ drinks I'm not afraid to talk to people I hardly know. I have made many friends because I am more open to sharing my ideas with people.

[Scuba_Steve]

If I have a drink or two my mind is more focused and I can: skateboard, play guitar, write, and speak(I tend to mumble and stutter sometimes when sober) better than I do without the drug.

I'm also a pretty shy person, but after 2+ drinks I'm not afraid to talk to people I hardly know. I have made many friends because I am more open to sharing my ideas with people.

you have no idea how completely dependent on substances that made you sound.

[guitarded_chuck]

you have no idea how completely dependent on substances that made you sound.

Not really.

If he has a couple drinks whilst doing other things once in awhile he is as normal as a majority of the population.

If he does it for everything though, he would be dependent.

[Flagjacket]

So, using your logic, a couple guys drinking beer at a football game or wherever is saying using heroin is okay?

I agree that marijuana use may be associated with the similar, negative, often violent underground as other drugs, but is not always, and let me tell you man, many people who sometimes smoke marijuana are by no means supportive of heroin users.

Using your stance you should support decriminalization, then. Government controlled and priced, out of the hands of violent dealers, off the street. Though you did said alcohol use makes it seem okay... :/

I guess in my context, which would be underage youth, its different and I was speaking more on my own demographic, the image in my mind when I wrote that was more "Ted sees the homies in the staircase sipping a 40 and passing a blunt" and not "Chad and Roger gettin smashed at a Redskins game"

I don't mean that every drug user forms a network of support, or that marijuana is a "gateway" drug 100% of the time, I meant the act of drug use is an enabling factor, like the way if a kid grows up in a home where he gets beat and his mom gets beat, he'll think that that type of thing becomes okay to do.

I don't only support taking drugs out of the hands of drug dealers, I support taking drugs out the hands of ALL people.

[Jessizzle]

no one saw this before so i'll say it again.. its all about finding middle ground and variation. knowing your limits and using common sense. of course to know your limits you may need to cross them so i guess keeping away all together is in your best intrest. but if you decide to use drugs then my point stands.

[guitarded_chuck]

I guess in my context, which would be underage youth, its different and I was speaking more on my own demographic, the image in my mind when I wrote that was more "Ted sees the homies in the staircase sipping a 40 and passing a blunt" and not "Chad and Roger gettin smashed at a Redskins game"

I somewhat understand what you mean, but there is more people in the world then just your own demographic.

I don't mean that every drug user forms a network of support, or that marijuana is a "gateway" drug 100% of the time, I meant the act of drug use is an enabling factor, like the way if a kid grows up in a home where he gets beat and his mom gets beat, he'll think that that type of thing becomes okay to do.

Well, out of my own personal experience with the many people I know, this is a false conception. You simply cannot compare marijuana use with other, hard-drug use. They have little to no similarities, other than they are classified as drugs (but then again so is things like acetaminophen, ibuprofen, mouthwash even) and the people that use one or the other are 9 times out of 10 totally different people.

I don't only support taking drugs out of the hands of drug dealers, I support taking drugs out the hands of ALL people.

First of all, why? Second, realistically what you support will never happen as the Government does all it can now to take drugs out of everyones hands, so decriminalization is the best means possible.

[Flagjacket]

I somewhat understand what you mean, but there is more people in the world then just your own demographic.

Well, out of my own personal experience with the many people I know, this is a false conception. You simply cannot compare marijuana use with other, hard-drug use. They have little to no similarities, other than they are classified as drugs (but then again so is things like acetaminophen, ibuprofen, mouthwash even) and the people that use one or the other are 9 times out of 10 totally different people.

First of all, why? Second, realistically what you support will never happen as the Government does all it can now to take drugs out of everyones hands, so decriminalization is the best means possible.

In your second paragraph you obviously have not totally understood what I mean when I say all drug use begets other drug use because you haven't addressed anything I've said. I haven't compared the use of marijuana and the use of heroin to be equally damaging to an individual, but I beleive both acts are equally damaging to a community, and I don't mean because users of both do the same things but I do beleive users of both are similar types of people more often that you believe. Like I said, its the act. "Rivers, ponds, lakes and streams — they all have different names, but they all contain water." Likewise, all drugs do different things to your body and mind but in a youth demographic they all have the same effect, look back at the analogy I made to child beating.

And the government does all it can to wait until drugs get across the border, into the country, sold to kingpins, distributed, and then sold again and then taking it out of peoples hands. See what I'm getting at here?

[Ghostfire3]

In the words of 2Pac: "Instead of a war on poverty they got a war on drugs so the police can bother me"

[RetiredAt21]

In the words of 2Pac: "Instead of a war on poverty they got a war on drugs so the police can bother me"

Word.

[guitarded_chuck]

In your second paragraph you obviously have not totally understood what I mean when I say all drug use begets other drug use because you haven't addressed anything I've said. I haven't compared the use of marijuana and the use of heroin to be equally damaging to an individual, but I beleive both acts are equally damaging to a community, and I don't mean because users of both do the same things but I do beleive users of both are similar types of people more often that you believe. Like I said, its the act. "Rivers, ponds, lakes and streams — they all have different names, but they all contain water." Likewise, all drugs do different things to your body and mind but in a youth demographic they all have the same effect, look back at the analogy I made to child beating.

And the government does all it can to wait until drugs get across the border, into the country, sold to kingpins, distributed, and then sold again and then taking it out of peoples hands. See what I'm getting at here?
Now you`re stating it as a youth demographic. I agree 100% drugs need to be kept away from youth. But to say they need to be removed from society completely is a radical statement in that it would never happen and, for a drug like marijuana, really shouldn`t need to happen assuming it`s controlled by the government and not by gang`s and such on the streets.

And no, I don`t really understand your 2nd point.

[Flagjacket]

What I mean is that the government doesn't do all it can to stop drugs, because during the supposed "War on Drugs" the government focused on individual users and not the foreign sources of drugs. There was no border control, and a lot of rips and possession charges etc. That hasn't really changed.

[guitarded_chuck]

I agree. The government is too stubborn (under such conservative leadership anyway) to learn from it`s mistakes.

[me likes punk]

you have no idea how completely dependent on substances that made you sound.

I don't see why. Alcohol is like a performance inhancer. I didn't say I rely on it for anything. It just makes me better at those things. I hardly ever drink.

[Twin Human Highway Flares]

Maybe there's a reason you naturally can't do shi't.

[Scuba_Steve]

I don't see why. Alcohol is like a performance inhancer. I didn't say I rely on it for anything. It just makes me better at those things. I hardly ever drink.

must have been the way it was phrased then, because basically you said alcohol makes you a better person.

I hope it was just your wording and not how you actually live.




BTW, I'm not even edge.

[Mr. Ron]

Hard drug users, alcoholics, and edge kids: People who never heard of responsible moderation.

[me likes punk]

Maybe there's a reason you naturally can't do shi't.

I didn't say I can't do ****. I'm naturally better at alot of **** than most people. Alcohol just makes me that much better.

I'll school you at anything dawwwg.

[Jessizzle]

my friends and i did a study once, we won more rugby games drunk than sober, TRUE STORY.

but also, i think i dance better when im drunk, i think im more sexy when im drunk and i think i can beat anyone up when im drunk..

common factor: i think.

but then again, confidence goes a long way.

[Mr. Ron]

Either way, people will do what they want, and that doesn't make them bad people. You want to choose to abstain? More power to you. Want to smoke dutches and drink? Whatever as long as you don't hurt anyone.

Me personally, I hardly ever drink. When it do its imported beer and some wine. I feel it enhances my pretentiousness. oh yeah.

[cobert]

I'm edge, but I really don't give a **** if somebody smokes pot and get hammered every weekend (like most of my friends). My one friend said he wanted to do coke though so I flipped my **** on him.

[Ghostfire3]

What I mean is that the government doesn't do all it can to stop drugs, because during the supposed "War on Drugs" the government focused on individual users and not the foreign sources of drugs. There was no border control, and a lot of rips and possession charges etc. That hasn't really changed.

That's because the government brought crack to the ghettos.

[BuddyBigsby]

Now for the fun part, who here is still in high school?

[me likes punk]

What does high school have to do with anything?

[lynch_me]

Now for the fun part, who here is still in high school?

Do you want me to sign your yearbook?

[Mr. Ron]

Straight edge is something high schoolers usually grow out of.

[RetiredAt21]

I'm 21.

[Mr. Ron]

Not all people grow out of it.

[Brad Norris Fan 777]

justin is xedgex

[Mr. Ron]

I actually used to be straight edge for like, 2 years in high school lol

[me likes punk]

If you're straight edge in high school, then I give mad props to you. It's 1000x easier to get drugs in school than out of it. And I know alot of people who will sell stolen alcohol to kids for dirt cheap. After high school it wouldn't be much of a challenge.

[Flagjacket]

Straight edge is something high schoolers usually grow out of.

I suppose that eventually not calling yourself straight edge anymore is a lot better than never growing out of your drug habit.

And Aaron no the government didn't bring crack to the hood, crack was invented by Rick Ross so he could flip a huge profit on his keys.

[guitarded_chuck]

It's probably best for high school kids to take up the straight edge stance/trend.

Keyword: kids

No one at that age can make responsible, informed decisions about drug use.

[BuddyBigsby]

What does high school have to do with anything?

Being able to not talk out of your *** about drugs and alcohol abuse like 95% of this thread has been doing.

[me likes punk]

High school is where you get 95% of your drug education. Some people just don't learn. I don't think graduating changes anything.

[IgniteYourAvail]

It's probably best for high school kids to take up the straight edge stance/trend.

Keyword: kids

No one at that age can make responsible, informed decisions about drug use.

I'm sorry, I had to some back for one more post.

This is the dumbest thing I have ever read on this forum ever. Congratulations.

Now I'm dead.

[MENTAL YO]

not the dumbest thing I've read on here but still very ignorant. I mean, yeah it is true for some high schoolers but definitely not for all.


I was "straight edge" for about 4 years and gave it up last summer. I very rarely get drunk and smoke weed even less, and I refuse to do anything past that. I feel like I use both very moderately and make smart decisions about when I do it/who I do it with, and I haven't done anything stupid or anything I regret.


unless its spring break. in which case, no rules apply. SB08!



But yeah, SXE is cool for people who want to do it and I fully support it. It's just not for me.

[guitarded_chuck]

Now I'm dead.

I'm sorry, I had to some back for one more post.

This is the dumbest thing I have ever read on this forum ever. Congratulations.


Go die plzkthnx

[Flagjacket]

ok i think this thread has run its course come back in September for some other new user's edge thread.