Venting On Emo

[AkeJay02]

Alright, so I’ve got to vent, and I don’t have my webcam hooked up for YouTube, so this is it. If you feel like talkin’ ****, go for it. It’s not like that is unexpected or anything.

I was cruising YouTube the other day, and I came across all of these videos about emo kids. I went ahead and skipped through the joke ones, as I’ve already watched them. Don’t get me wrong, I laugh every time. I can’t help but laugh whenever I see someone following all of the scene stereotypes. Not my fault, either. Instead, I watched a couple of videos of both people bitching about "emo kids" and "scene kids." And I guess that kind of **** pisses me off. I don’t know how to get this in writing, but I’ll try. If it’s out of order, forgive me.

None of those mother ****ers were emo. Because of them, in fact, I hate even saying the word. Emo in itself now sounds like a scene term. But I’m going to use it, because I don’t feel like spelling it out completely this late at night. Anyway, emo is not what I saw in any of those videos. Underoath, for Christ’s sake, is metalcore. As for Fallout Boy, My Chemical Romance, and Panic at the Disco, I don’t quite know what to call it but some new form of pop-punk or dance-rock that hasn’t been listed yet, since everyone is so busy calling it emo.

This thread is mainly for me to explain what emo is, to me, and see if someone agrees with me. You probably won’t but I’ll get to that later. I’m also wanting to explain what I think is the problem with the music these days.

I saw a video about this same thing, defining what emo is, and I felt that it couldn’t be more off topic, really. In the video, the guy didn’t list a single band that he thought was emo. Instead, he showed a bunch of characteristics of emo bands. For instance, he showed what an emo show is, compared to what an emo show is not. I agree that if you watch emo shows live or on video, the guy does have a good point. In an emo show, there is rarely a stage. It’s sort of wierd, actually, but everyone is just standing around the band on the floor. They are really close, too. I don’t think that I would enjoy playing at one of those shows, it’s so close. But that doesn’t make it emo. Saying that kind of stuff makes it exactly what the guy was talking **** about, and that is a scene. Talking about the look of anything when defining music is what makes a scene a scene. Emo is nothing more than what metal, punk rock, and rock and roll is, and that is music. Emo is music. It isn’t a look. It is a sound, and a feeling.

What’s funny is that most of the people that talk **** about emo don’t realize that they’re talking **** about a type of music. Another thing is that the guy talking **** about emo scene kids is doing so while having some big-*** mohawk or liberty-spike hair style. They talk **** about exactly what they are becoming, and that is a scene. It is just music. Music isn’t about being underground or popular. It is just music. So anyone that talks **** about bands that are popular has already lost any hope of winning the argument.

So what is emo, then? Am I about to criticize everyone else without even so much as correcting the problem? Not exactly. Unfortunately, you can’t just define emo. However, you can wrongly define it, which is what I feel is happening. Emo is, in itself, pretty amazing, in that it has evolved so much, yet you can always tell what it is when you put it on. It is emotional. It is, for the most part, all about, in my opinion, letting your feelings out, and not giving a **** about how beautiful it sounds. But in the process, it sounds so beautiful. It’s like poetry, really. Check out Saetia, Hot Cross, Drive Like Jehu, and Rites of Spring, among others. To me, those are probably the best bands to use when talking about this type of pe of music, and how it has evolved from the barely-not-punk, like Rites of Spring and Grey Matter, to the ugly, like Saetia, to the technical and beautiful, like Hot Cross, to music like Sunny Day Real Estate, which is, to me, the furthest it got. But if you get to Dashboard Confessional, you’ve gone too far. I think that when I listen to Dashboard, I hear the end of emo. I think that is the point where emo disappears.

But it isn’t gone completely. There are plenty of bands out there that stick to the good stuff. Bands like City of Caterpillar still do it. It’s amazing, really, how they can hold on. For more stuff like that, I recommend checking out Level Plane Records. That’s probably the greatest label I’ve ever listened to, as well.

I don’t think it is the fans’ fault that so many bands are wrongfully labeled, though. I think that the only thing that we can blame is the evolution of music having gotten so far that there are too many types of music out there. They overlap each other now, and this causes confusion. Ask someone how they classify a particular band, and they could give you one answer, and someone else could give you another one. What one person calls emo, another calls post-hardcore. It just sucks that we’ve chosen now, as bands like Hawthorne Heights are coming out, to stop coming up with new genres, as I said before. We just call them emo, and go with it.

To finish off this rant, I figured I’d make just one last point. With the exception of Senses Fail, when you check out these new bands’ inspirations, they are not inspired by bands that are even emo. When you look at real emo bands’ inspirations, the proof is there. They are inspired by bands like Saetia and Sunny Day.

In conclusion, as I said before, you cannot totally define emo. I can tell you that I know it when I hear it, but I cannot tell you what it is. However, you can wrongly define it, and I think that most people I hear on the Internet have done so.

If you do decide to check out some emo, really take some time to listen to it. It is an aquired taste. With me, I hated it at first. I hated the first songs I heard. But after a little while, it just sucked me in, and I am stuck with it now. I am always craving a little bit more of it. It’s hard to explain it, though. You just have to check it out for yourself, and give it a chance. But like every other kind of music, it isn’t for everyone.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Do you seriously expect anyone to read that useless wall of text?

[whiteminority]

Not reading.

I ceased giving a **** a couple of years ago. It doesn't matter.

Emo is a crappy term anyways, it's all hardcore.

[i am the robots]

yeah bro, major tl;dr

[santi3hg]

Honestly man, we all stopped caring to defend a genre that got hijacked to the mainstream. If anything they live pretty miserable lives than what we live.

[okay]

pls no not another one of these threads nooo noooo NOOOOOOOOOOO!

[Concubine]

just lol

[Interstate]

What?

[Ganondorf]

i like fake emo

[Interstate]

Fake emo is always good.

[flesh]

write a book bro

[cobert]

To finish off this rant, I figured I’d make just one last point. With the exception of Senses Fail, when you check out these new bands’ inspirations, they are not inspired by bands that are even emo. When you look at real emo bands’ inspirations, the proof is there. They are inspired by bands like Saetia and Sunny Day.

More like with the exception of Thursday.

I didnt really read any of this I just kind of skimmed over and this caught my eye. Do you have a question to ask or are you just rambling?

[lynch_me]

Reiner is dating this girl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t0y2BjXZS8&eurl=http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Princess_Punk

[Tyr]

I can't believe I actually read all of that.

[Interstate]

Reiner is dating this girl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t0y2BjXZS8&eurl=http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Princess_Punk

I love the most recent comment to that:

"I have an idea, use your mouth to suck **** or shut the **** up."

[mullets suk]

Reiner is dating this girl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t0y2BjXZS8&eurl=http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Princess_Punk

lol, 5:30 she starts crying.

[Tyr]

You watched the whole clip? I gave up after one minute.

[Interstate]

lol, 5:30 she starts crying.

Made me want to get the nearest blunt instrument and smash myself in the face with it after watching that crap.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

If that was my girlfriend, I'd probably be in jail. Also I'd probably have stabbed out my ear drums and cut my dick off.

[lynch_me]

This is AFTER 4chan got to her and pranked phone called her house, etc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaEjlejWv44&eurl=http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Princess_Punk

haha. you can listen to the calls on this..

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Princess_Punk

[santi3hg]

I can't call myself a full emo kid cause im not sad all the time...

Holy **** I thought I would never see this video ever again. I love how she is a preacher for "emos". YOU HAVE THE POWER, AND IM GOING TO BOX YOU THE **** OUT.

[doki]

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/9/9c/Emochinover9000.png

gold

[FreeSmells]

Reiner is dating this girl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t0y2BjXZS8&eurl=http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Princess_Punk

HAHAHA that **** is funny.

The prank calls however were not so funny.

[Sammy_L_D]

You know...wow.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b226/zarinrules/SadBraveheart.jpg

[okay]

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/d/dc/Emochinheyguise.jpg

[santi3hg]

That chin kills me.

[whiteminority]

I'd like to make the important point that just because you have listened to Sunny Day Real Estate and draw influence from them doesn't make you an emo band, it most likely makes you an indie hipster band.

[mullets suk]

You watched the whole clip? I gave up after one minute.

nah skipped ahead, to see if she started crying...she did.

[i am the robots]

That chin kills me.

yeah dude, total boner kill

[Tyr]

nah skipped ahead, to see if she started crying...she did.

Gotcha. It made my day.

[Fort23]

This is AFTER 4chan got to her and pranked phone called her house, etc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaEjlejWv44&eurl=http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Princess_Punk

haha. you can listen to the calls on this..

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Princess_Punk

She had a cell phone in grade 7? hm how long have cell phones been around amirite or amigay?

[Iluvatar]

She is only like 16 or 17. So its only been 4 or 5 years.

this was a funny thread at first. then i posted.

[SGlove]

I'd hit that.
Just for fun though..

And who the hell says grade 7 anyway?
It's 7th grade

[GoodbyeMidnight]

**As for Fallout Boy, My Chemical Romance, and Panic at the Disco, I don’t quite know what to call it but some new form of pop-punk or dance-rock that hasn’t been listed yet, since everyone is so busy calling it emo**
I totally agree there... but what I hate most is when people use the term *emo* negitavely when concerning music. I always (when I can be bothered) say to them, Dude, its another genre of music, get over yourself...

-xoxox-

[AkeJay02]

Thank you for the post. I'm glad someone paid attention. As for the people bitching about how useless the thread is, I think I made it clear enough that it is a rant when I used the term "rant" somewhere around the first paragraph. I didn't hold a gun to your head.

[Jawaharal]

"For one day of my life, I want to see an emo kid and a gangster shake hands."

:'(

[2muchket!]

surely you have a blog to post your ramblings ?

But srsly all the stuff you've said is common knowledge round these parts

[cobert]

Yeah it's not like we weren't pissed at one time, we're all pretty much over it now. I dont use the term seriously anymore, I just use it for all pussy music, whether related to hardcore or not.

[RetiredAt21]

This thread is funny.

[i am the robots]

guys i like emo

[Hep Kat]

I love the most recent comment to that:

"I have an idea, use your mouth to suck **** or shut the **** up."

ahahaha that was me

[Interstate]

That chin kills me.

You could poke someone's eye out with that chin. I mean I dunno about anywhere else but if you walked round the streets in the UK with that chin, you'd get arrested for carrying a deadly weapon.

[doki]

you could chin f'uck with that chin.. well a little

[AFragileHope]

lol

the thing is, its a trend. It comes and hopefully it will go - I just can't stand so called emo's who just whine about how everything in their lives is bad or wrong, even when they have pretty cushy lives and get on just fine. The whole fashion and image associations are so lame too - but thats thanks to the rising trend of bands like Bring Me the Horizon who convey a sense of "cool" by wearing jeans so tight they could make some infertile and weaken erectile function...so sad.

[flesh]

NATIONAL EMOCIDE DAY - 6/6/6


\mm/

[SugarCoatedSour]

Alright, so I’ve got to vent, and I don’t have my webcam hooked up for YouTube, so this is it. If you feel like talkin’ ****, go for it. It’s not like that is unexpected or anything.

I was cruising YouTube the other day, and I came across all of these videos about emo kids. I went ahead and skipped through the joke ones, as I’ve already watched them. Don’t get me wrong, I laugh every time. I can’t help but laugh whenever I see someone following all of the scene stereotypes. Not my fault, either. Instead, I watched a couple of videos of both people bitching about "emo kids" and "scene kids." And I guess that kind of **** pisses me off. I don’t know how to get this in writing, but I’ll try. If it’s out of order, forgive me.

None of those mother ****ers were emo. Because of them, in fact, I hate even saying the word. Emo in itself now sounds like a scene term. But I’m going to use it, because I don’t feel like spelling it out completely this late at night. Anyway, emo is not what I saw in any of those videos. Underoath, for Christ’s sake, is metalcore. As for Fallout Boy, My Chemical Romance, and Panic at the Disco, I don’t quite know what to call it but some new form of pop-punk or dance-rock that hasn’t been listed yet, since everyone is so busy calling it emo.

This thread is mainly for me to explain what emo is, to me, and see if someone agrees with me. You probably won’t but I’ll get to that later. I’m also wanting to explain what I think is the problem with the music these days.

I saw a video about this same thing, defining what emo is, and I felt that it couldn’t be more off topic, really. In the video, the guy didn’t list a single band that he thought was emo. Instead, he showed a bunch of characteristics of emo bands. For instance, he showed what an emo show is, compared to what an emo show is not. I agree that if you watch emo shows live or on video, the guy does have a good point. In an emo show, there is rarely a stage. It’s sort of wierd, actually, but everyone is just standing around the band on the floor. They are really close, too. I don’t think that I would enjoy playing at one of those shows, it’s so close. But that doesn’t make it emo. Saying that kind of stuff makes it exactly what the guy was talking **** about, and that is a scene. Talking about the look of anything when defining music is what makes a scene a scene. Emo is nothing more than what metal, punk rock, and rock and roll is, and that is music. Emo is music. It isn’t a look. It is a sound, and a feeling.

What’s funny is that most of the people that talk **** about emo don’t realize that they’re talking **** about a type of music. Another thing is that the guy talking **** about emo scene kids is doing so while having some big-*** mohawk or liberty-spike hair style. They talk **** about exactly what they are becoming, and that is a scene. It is just music. Music isn’t about being underground or popular. It is just music. So anyone that talks **** about bands that are popular has already lost any hope of winning the argument.

So what is emo, then? Am I about to criticize everyone else without even so much as correcting the problem? Not exactly. Unfortunately, you can’t just define emo. However, you can wrongly define it, which is what I feel is happening. Emo is, in itself, pretty amazing, in that it has evolved so much, yet you can always tell what it is when you put it on. It is emotional. It is, for the most part, all about, in my opinion, letting your feelings out, and not giving a **** about how beautiful it sounds. But in the process, it sounds so beautiful. It’s like poetry, really. Check out Saetia, Hot Cross, Drive Like Jehu, and Rites of Spring, among others. To me, those are probably the best bands to use when talking about this type of pe of music, and how it has evolved from the barely-not-punk, like Rites of Spring and Grey Matter, to the ugly, like Saetia, to the technical and beautiful, like Hot Cross, to music like Sunny Day Real Estate, which is, to me, the furthest it got. But if you get to Dashboard Confessional, you’ve gone too far. I think that when I listen to Dashboard, I hear the end of emo. I think that is the point where emo disappears.

But it isn’t gone completely. There are plenty of bands out there that stick to the good stuff. Bands like City of Caterpillar still do it. It’s amazing, really, how they can hold on. For more stuff like that, I recommend checking out Level Plane Records. That’s probably the greatest label I’ve ever listened to, as well.

I don’t think it is the fans’ fault that so many bands are wrongfully labeled, though. I think that the only thing that we can blame is the evolution of music having gotten so far that there are too many types of music out there. They overlap each other now, and this causes confusion. Ask someone how they classify a particular band, and they could give you one answer, and someone else could give you another one. What one person calls emo, another calls post-hardcore. It just sucks that we’ve chosen now, as bands like Hawthorne Heights are coming out, to stop coming up with new genres, as I said before. We just call them emo, and go with it.

To finish off this rant, I figured I’d make just one last point. With the exception of Senses Fail, when you check out these new bands’ inspirations, they are not inspired by bands that are even emo. When you look at real emo bands’ inspirations, the proof is there. They are inspired by bands like Saetia and Sunny Day.

In conclusion, as I said before, you cannot totally define emo. I can tell you that I know it when I hear it, but I cannot tell you what it is. However, you can wrongly define it, and I think that most people I hear on the Internet have done so.

If you do decide to check out some emo, really take some time to listen to it. It is an aquired taste. With me, I hated it at first. I hated the first songs I heard. But after a little while, it just sucked me in, and I am stuck with it now. I am always craving a little bit more of it. It’s hard to explain it, though. You just have to check it out for yourself, and give it a chance. But like every other kind of music, it isn’t for everyone.

Coo, too bad people don't like to be bothered to think. So don't expect any worthwhile responses.

[1338 h4x0r]

lol

the thing is, its a trend. It comes and hopefully it will go - I just can't stand so called emo's who just whine about how everything in their lives is bad or wrong, even when they have pretty cushy lives and get on just fine.

Have you considered that there are ways for one's life to suck besides material privation

[SugarCoatedSour]

Leet, it's true there are things to piss and moan about other than feelings as well. Like stupid people partaking in inter-relationships who don't give a crap about anything but their little ego-bubble and in turn go around saying "i hate those people who whine about nonsense, hmm what's their problem??"

[cobert]

8===D~~~ (this thread)

[illpressureurhinges1]

Just read Everybody Hurts: An Essential Guide To Emo Culture by Leslie Simon and Trevor Kelley. That's everything you'll need to know and more than you'll need to know as well about emo.

[Iluvatar]

Thats one of the most retarded books ever.

But it was really funny.

[illpressureurhinges1]

Yah. I pretty much just got it because it seemed so funny. It was funny, but kind of a waste of money.

[Concubine]

Just read Everybody Hurts: An Essential Guide To Emo Culture by Leslie Simon and Trevor Kelley. That's everything you'll need to know and more than you'll need to know as well about emo.

I read a review for the book years ago. A soon as it mentioned that Jimmy Eat World and Dashboard are emo, i knew it was crap

[iamrockzorz]

You're actually really gay.

[Concubine]

sure

[iamrockzorz]

not you,
thread starter.

[TBrown87]

People call Fall Out Boy, MCR and all that stuff "emo" because that's what s'hit magazines like Rolling Stone call it. I can't stand most emo myself 'cept for the older stuff but I hate it when stuff that's not emo is described as such. And I hate the word "emo. It's so overused its just not funny.

[Fort23]

sup rockzorz.

[illpressureurhinges1]

I read a review for the book years ago. A soon as it mentioned that Jimmy Eat World and Dashboard are emo, i knew it was crap

Yah. It called a lot of bands emo that aren't emo. I just enjoyed reading all the stereotypical crap in there.

[me likes punk]

Coo, too bad people don't like to be bothered to think. So don't expect any worthwhile responses.


That, or the fact that nobody cares enough to read something that long about something so pointless when we could make fun of that video.

Did anyone catch the "labelism" part? I can't believe that video is serious.

[Scuba_Steve]

ATTN: AkeJay02




THANK YOU FOR SAVING THE SCENE

[illpressureurhinges1]

Anyone who takes emo seriously needs to get a life.

[RetiredAt21]

**** you, emo is awesome.

[Ganondorf]

yeah emo is for faggots

[Flagjacket]

People call Fall Out Boy, MCR and all that stuff "emo" because that's what s'hit magazines like Rolling Stone call it. I can't stand most emo myself 'cept for the older stuff but I hate it when stuff that's not emo is described as such. And I hate the word "emo. It's so overused its just not funny.

As proof of such overuse you used emo once for every sentence in your post

[Chips]

"violence against "emos" sweeps across mexico"

http://www.punknews.org/article/28269

haha.

[illpressureurhinges1]

**** you, emo is awesome.

Please tell me you're just being an *** and you're not serious...

[Iluvatar]

I honestly dont know when your being serious.

[doki]

"violence against "emos" sweeps across mexico"

http://www.punknews.org/article/28269

haha.


ye I just read that
its pretty dumb..

[illpressureurhinges1]

Me? Or Retired?

[Iluvatar]

You.

[illpressureurhinges1]

You.

Why do you say that? I was being serious right there.

[Iluvatar]

I have no clue what you are talking about when you say emo.

are you talking about weezer.

[illpressureurhinges1]

No... I'm talking about emo culture and all the the scene kids, the music's lyrics, and the lifestyle that all these little emo kids follow.

[Iluvatar]

Oh so you mean scene kids

[iamrockzorz]

so when you say emo you don't mean emo?

like when i say flamingo i really mean donkey.

[illpressureurhinges1]

Well I'm pretty sure emo refers to emo kids...

[Iluvatar]

Not really.

[iamrockzorz]

Awe how cute, he doesn't understand. :smash:

You're a silly.... you're a big silly.

[illpressureurhinges1]

Ok whatever... It refers to the music, the lifestyle, the fashion, and the mindset.

[Iluvatar]

Yes but your thinking of the fake emo scene which is generally just called "scene"

[illpressureurhinges1]

But there are also "emo" kids that have the mindset and listen the music because they actually feel the emotions that emo lyrics express.

[Iluvatar]

emo kids dont exist kill yourself

[iamrockzorz]

naivety isn't bliss,
you're just stupid.
wiki it dumb ***.
emo kids don't exist kill yourself

[illpressureurhinges1]

Damn... It's a good thing I'm not EMO or maybe I would kill myself.

[Ill Reality]

Just read Everybody Hurts: An Essential Guide To Emo Culture by Leslie Simon and Trevor Kelley. That's everything you'll need to know and more than you'll need to know as well about emo.

Is that found in the same series as Everybody Poops and Nobody Actually Gives a Rusty F'uck?

[illpressureurhinges1]

Is that found in the same series as Everybody Poops and Nobody Actually Gives a Rusty F'uck?

Possibly. That would be a good place to start your search. :thumb:

[Ill Reality]

sw33t, cause I already got Everybody Farts.

[illpressureurhinges1]

That's sick. I have Everyone ****s and Everyone Blows. I really need to get my hands on Everyone Farts.

[Ill Reality]

...it's actually pretty overrated.


Pick up Everyone Huffs Household Chemicals instead.

[jebus FX]

"violence against "emos" sweeps across mexico"

http://www.punknews.org/article/28269

haha.

yeah man, that's a huge pile of horse ****

[illpressureurhinges1]

...it's actually pretty overrated.


Pick up Everyone Huffs Household Chemicals instead.

Will do. Thanks for the tip. :thumb:

[Scuba_Steve]

EDIT: Wow, I need to read the whole thread from now on :(

[illpressureurhinges1]

I'm guessing so... Except the "Scene Bands" are just posers!

[Ill Reality]

Well, this thread was funny.

[illpressureurhinges1]

Kind of hard to take it seriously anymore.

[santi3hg]

Wow, Reiner close this **** now.

[Ill Reality]

^ Backing that 100 percent.

[cobert]

Please make it end.

[AFragileHope]

I call for closure too.

[BuddyBigsby]

hahaha, Everything Hurts is an awful book. He basically name drops Rites of Spring and SDRE and then it turns into a Dashboard Confessional tour diary.

[AFragileHope]

lol dashboard confessional is Tom from myspazz' fave band

[i am the robots]

emo kids dont exist kill yourself

um?

[flesh]

So whats up with those Jazz Kids, f'uck br0

[i am the robots]

yeh wtf pretentious dicks

[team_racket]

bitchess bru

[Imdrunksowhat]

I read Everything Hurts years ago. Ya, didn't enjoy it at all..

FOR A GOOD READ CHECK OUT: Our Band Could Be Your Life
Awesome book about the DIY movement

[RetiredAt21]

I never read Everything Hurts but from what you guys have said about it I'll be sure to steer clear.

[BuddyBigsby]

Location: Hawaii

Please tell me this is who I hope it is...