Tips And Questions

[Permanent Solution]

Hey dude, I can and will give you the short but mean answer to your question. If you play punk it takes very little to add music to your songs...you play one of a handful of progressions in punk...if you pay attention to punk songs while you play them you will note patterns, this is the progressions that most punk bands rely on. As to writing riffs, basically the problem there is that you are a punk player as well, there are two ways to write riffs...just fool around, or learn theory. In the first you fool around on your guitar until you find something cool sounding, and then try not to forget it. The other way involves learning scales and such which will improve riffs, soloing, and chord progressions. However, most punk players I am aware of have little or no theory knowledge, so I would suggest trying out the first one. Additionally, when you write a song, have a melody in your head, and then sing it and play along with your guitar, note by note...then find chords that match the notes you are singing (this is easier again with theory knowledge). Hope that helps :thumb:

[Los3rKid]

thanx dude it makes it easier, ill keep practising nd let ya know how it goes.

[A_Perfect_Sonnet]

well, id suggest that you listen to rise against and antiflag for some good ideas on guitar fills and such... paint it black is pretty good for it too

[shayne_122]

I have the opposite problem, dont seem to have a problem with writing the lyrics for my songs...up to a point...but as yet ive not been able to match a single song with any music ive tried to do for it. :(

yeah thanks for posting this, i have the same problem, my lyrics are hard to write guitar parts for, so im stuck using different patterns of Am, E, G, and D... can someone help?

[Permanent Solution]

yeah thanks for posting this, i have the same problem, my lyrics are hard to write guitar parts for, so im stuck using different patterns of Am, E, G, and D... can someone help?
I will give you the same advice I just gave the last guy...learn some theory, the smallest amount of theory will tremendously boost your songwriting skills because you will know an infinite number of good progressions and more complicated chords to use in your progression which in turn creates more interesting progressions. Other than that see my post to the other kid about 4 posts higher as it also pertains to this topic, and I don't feel like rewriting it all :thumb:

[testtubebaby]

yeah i hit up the bong before writing. not all the time but i must admitt it helps alot more. i think. hope that helps

[Jezen]

Meh I dont do drugs. When I wanna write songs I try and think of a topic before hand, then I just focus. Dont focus on the fact that you cant find anything to write, I just try lots of things then see what fits in the easiest without it being childish and boring.

[Nightvision]

Tip for those that are struggling to keep their songs on a single topic...

Before you start writing your song, write one sentence about the subject of your song. Now, keep that sentence in front of you, and every time you write a couple of lines, look at it - do those lines tie in with your sentence? If they don't they need to be re-written.

Hope that helps. :thumb:

[Jezen]

yeh i forgot to touch on that. I think for me it makes it really easy when you keep one sentence the same in every verse bu change one word each time i.e

blah blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah
nothing can stop us here
blah blah blah blah

blah blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah
nothing can stop us now
blah blah blah blah

blah blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah
nothing will ever stop us
blah blah blah blah

[Permanent Solution]

Except that it can either be awesome...or really annoying and repetitous, not to mention less creative...(to BB)...I like to avoid repetition as much as possible, but that can work in some situations, but not all...

[Jezen]

yeh i know what you mean. But like most of the time, if done properly, it sounds awesome.

[hotcod32]

i've found my playing hugly improved when i started to play bass in my punkband since i went out and lernd more about scales and prograshion since punk bass at basic is just follow the guitar and throw in a scale... then lernd more about guitar, still don't know all that much, but basicly it just helped along what i was allreayd lerning just by playing a lot and stuff you start to get a feel for what cords sound right with other cords and you start geting a feeling for the rules, but its always best to go lern a bit about them

[discodave]

I think if you play on an acoustic a lot, them your playing gets better when you go to electric.

[discodave]

Scales are good to practice on acuostics....

[hotcod32]

a tip i give any one wanting to start to play is LERN ON AN ACOUSTIC....... i did, my dads old one, just did a few tabs, and lernd how to play basic things ext, it was about half a year befor i got an eletric... and found out its so much eaiser to play on eletric, which means if you lern on it (espicly if your teaching your self) you get very slopy habbits that anit good when your trying to get better

[LiZZySkYnRd7^]

Question: Why can't I post a thread. ??

I am new here and realise perhaps it comes down to credibility...

But I have a good idea for a thread, that both pertains to music and writing.

So ummmm yeah. Anybody? Anybody?

[Jezen]

Yeh I remember when I first joined I couldnt post threads. Dw they only make it so you cant past threads until after the first 48 hours. I think the reason for this is spamming. I suggest you write down all your thread ideas. Do u have a song u wanna post? coz i can post it for you.

[LiZZySkYnRd7^]

I have a song yes.....

But I have an idea for a Riddle thread....I suppose it can wait until tomorrow the both. :rolleyes:

"Spam shows its tits to the email bouncers at the door" << my msn name lol

[Jezen]

can i have ur msn? ur a bloody awesome writer.

[LiZZySkYnRd7^]

I suppose so........but I dont want to list my msn on here ...so errm...

<somebody is thinking get ur coat youve pulled I just know it>

[Jezen]

ok add me mine is ***_****_******@*******.*** . add me quick so then i can blank out my msn addy. ok blanked out :D

[LiZZySkYnRd7^]

Technical difficulties............. treflip what huh? lol

[420]

ya man can tell me wat those things on the drum tabs like the X G and other stuff like wat they mean and how you do it thanks :thumb:

[420]

how you read the drum tabs its so confusing i know the countings like "1+a2+a3+a4"...
but i dont know wats this |-------x8-------|
HH |----------------|--------------O-|x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-|x-x-x-x-x-x-o---|
SD |----------------|----------------|@---@---@---@---|@---@---@---o--b|
BD |----------------|----------------|o-o-----o-o-----|o-o-----o-o-----|
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 +

THIS ONE >>>>>>>>>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^..WAT THE HELL THAT MEANS IM NEW IN THIS DRUMMING SATUFF AND I WANA SUCEED THANKS

[Permanent Solution]

Check the Tab talk or Drum forum...but g is a ghost note and x is closed hats....but there is a whole forum on this :thumb:

[SkaRabbit]

x8 means play it 8 times

[Permanent Solution]

Psst...don't encourage newbs to post in the wrong forums ;)

[SkaRabbit]

hehe. thats a good point why did he post here:S

dont post here!:P lol try posting in the relevant forum mate

[SkaRabbit]

hehe. thats a good point why did he post here:S

dont post here!:P lol try posting in the relevant forum mate

[Permanent Solution]

Try not double posting, mate :p

[axewarrior20]

I got a question about writing lyrics. Do you think it is wise to write raw emotion or do you think everything should be completely though out? Because whenever I write a song I don't know what I'm writing till I get done and then have to look over it to tell what emotion I was using.

[metaliq]

You can write from raw emotion... but it never seems to appeal artistically or poetically in any sense unless you have had some experience writing artistically.

I would suggest continue writing emotionally, but start writing with more of an artistic approach... then eventually your styles will combine and you will be able to weave emotion into more artistic pieces.

[Permanent Solution]

Metal is an idiot don't listen to him

[metaliq]

I would like for you to justify your views towards me being an idiot.

Unless... you were kidding...

[Permanent Solution]

*points to community board*

Ok...it was good advice, but you are still an idiot.

[A_Perfect_Sonnet]

<--- best emotionally artistic writer on the forums

[/ego mode off]

dont listen to either (meaning metaliq and zep) of them, they sux balls!

[Permanent Solution]

If they=I in the context, then yes...you do indeed, rather poorly too...

[A_Perfect_Sonnet]

edited to suit zeps poor reading comprehension

[Permanent Solution]

Good one :rolleyes:

[LiZZySkYnRd7^]

Can we post two pieces if we actively critique others work?

[Permanent Solution]

Can we post two pieces if we actively critique others work?
No...24 hour rule is so that one person's work doesn't clutter the first page so everyone has an equal chance to get something read...equal opportunity and such :thumb:

Subtle has been very strict on this rule fyi :)

[LiZZySkYnRd7^]

Well too late...........lol

I won't post anymore for awhile anyway.

Thanks for the info :thumb:

[xKONRADx]

metal, i compel you and nichelle to copy my avatar

[xKONRADx]

im pissed tho, it was sweet with over thirty frames. but mx wont allow avatars over 20kb
so i had to cut over half

[Permanent Solution]

Community thread?

[xKONRADx]

and zeppelin, how was having the pres at your school?
i assume you watched the debate?

[xKONRADx]

haha i was wondering why there were only 799 posts in here. wtf.

[beefstu]

prog. music(with out the normal verse chours verse structure) can be fun also harder but fun
thnks for the tips 2

[Splig]

QUESTION!!!

Is it easier to write lyrics and then make a tune to it, or write the tune while you're thinking, or just to make a tune and then add lyrics?

[Permanent Solution]

Whatever you are more comfortable with. I do either or...just write whatever (lyrics or music) and it will come around.

[metaliq]

I write lyrics... then add them to whatever the band makes up.

Or visa versa.

I find it easier to add music to words though.

[LiZZySkYnRd7^]

Tips of the day......Never play leapfrog with a unicorn and ermm......dont cook bacon naked.



I always write the words first, since I have no instrumental skills, but my guitar player does the opposite. Maybe it has something to do with that, I'm not sure.

[mshort813]

uhm, okay?

as for the question, in my opinion, i like to have my band write the music first, record the music onto a tape, and then go home and write lyrics to it. becasue i just think its hard to fit lyrics to music becaue you dont know if its going to fit and you know it will fit if you write the lyrics after becasue you can sing in with the recording. and also, if your bandmates write something really dark and depressing, you dont want to show up with lyrics about some great date that you had. or vice versa. hope this helped.

[A_Perfect_Sonnet]

well, what i do is write the lyrics, then when we start making up the music i change them around

[metalfoley]

I was inspired last night and wrote everything that came to mind. My problem now is I have alot of material and cant seem to put it into a lyrical form. Any advice?

[Permanent Solution]

Study the songwriting 101 thread. Look at some of the stuff on here that is more "artsy"...the first few I think of is xkonradx, metaliq, nichelle, aperfectsonnet and myself. Fool around with it to convey your message in an artful way, techniques of which are handeled in the 101 thread pretty well :)

[drumtracks]

Try out Tartar Drum Studios instead of messing with drum loops..you will be glad you did.

http://www.TartarDrumstudios.com

[sanitarium31]

Question,

im a drummer and I can think of all kinds of good guitar riffs but i dont know how to write them down. any suggestions

[Permanent Solution]

Question,

im a drummer and I can think of all kinds of good guitar riffs but i dont know how to write them down. any suggestions
How do you think of them? Like you play a guitar and get a good riff and don't know how to write it? Your question is too vague.

[drumtracks]

You can either learn tabliture or learn bar chords which is probably the easiest way to generically document a riff.

http://www.TartarDrumStudios.com

[gttvc]

ive got a question..
how do you write inspirational or optomistic lyrics...all the garbage i write turns out too angry..when i dont really have anything to be mad about..except i need new shoes. :thumb:
please help.

[Permanent Solution]

Write to your emotions...if everything you write comes out negative, then to get a positive song you will have to force it, and forced lyrics read like crap. If you are looking for some positive inspiration, find a gf and write about her, or write about winning something...think happy thoughts and write about them.

[lethaldj13]

but how bout if you have lots of lyrics and can't decide and think of a new music that would fit in it can anyone give a tip?

[lethaldj13]

wait! i also need a song about geometry and algebra thats two song separate.
its not from my heart and yet i have to force it out cuz its our dumb school project

[Idiot_Joe]

mm i dunt no wer to put this loll....but i was thinkin bout writing some songs but theres one thing i cant remember

wot are
versus
&
chorus

i remember gettin taught bout them but i forgot....the shame :(
help ?

[A_Perfect_Sonnet]

... listen to a song, lets take um... Blink 182 - Rock Show,

the verses would be where he's telling about the plot like, "hanging out behind the club on the weekends, acting stupid getting drunk with my best friends. i couldnt wait for the summer at the warped tour, i remember thats the first time that i saw her there."

the chorus would be the repeated part that sort of summarizes the point of the song, "i fell in love with the girl at the rock show, she said what and i told her that i didnt know, shes so cool when i sneak in through her window. everythings better when she's around, i cant wait till her parents go out of town, (line i dont remember)."

i really cant believe you didnt know that. :\

[Idiot_Joe]

ta much mate :)

[A_Perfect_Sonnet]

a question of my own,

WHOS MAYNARD?

[/yeah im stupid]

[Permanent Solution]

Tool's lyricist...I think. I don't think he is fantastic, but people here seem to idolize him. Meh.

[A_Perfect_Sonnet]

bah, tool is okay, im not a big fan though

[Permanent Solution]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/article.php?a=213

^^^read that before posting more questions here, it is a pretty good article for beginners.

[Bad_Gadjit]

I have a huge problem
i just can't write the right song!!
whenver i pen out lyrics of it's always so... so... pathetic!
My biggest three influences in song writing is Danko Jones, AC/DC and the gadjits
this is really confusing but the style i write in just isn't my style
so if anyone has any ideas contact me

[A_Perfect_Sonnet]

well, of course the style you write is your style, even though you dont think it is. id suggest just letting your mind go blank and start writing, whatever ends up on the page is your style. this style can be tweaked depending on the type of songs you want to write; say you write love lyrics mostly, you could decide to go mushy love lyrics, poetic love lyrics, hateful love lyrics, etc.

just keep what you write and post it on the forums, people will give you feedback and try and help you improve your definative style, just dont be an *** if they dont like it. good luck and keep writing.

[Syncope]

Write what happens in life.

[wiseguy]

i have a book. its called the big blue book because it is blue and big. i write everything that comes to my head. catchy words, good sentences and what not.

but to tell you the truth i can only write songs that are soft not anything else.

Q. whats different in the lyrics to a punk song then any other?

[A_Perfect_Sonnet]

punk lyrics usually talk about change or wanting change, rebelling against the standards set forth in normal society. so basically just write about how something bothers you that everyone else accepts and you'll be good to go, maybe... there are exceptions to the rule (ramones, misfits, etc)

[mshort813]

punk lyrics aren't deep. if you want to write punk lyrics write anything that makes sense that isn't deep or metaphorical. Politics is always a good choice but a little cliche by now. APS said everything I wanted to say.

[gttvc]

this is the right place to ask this, right?
Im a "n00b" or something.
what are some easy guitar songs with lyrics i can sing while playing?
i like punk and soft rock. like nofx or oasis.
please help.


party hard.

[A_Perfect_Sonnet]

blink 182 comes to mind, and anything where a rhythm guitar player sings

[AshesOfHate]

hey i just joind this site but i cant post threads i can only repley to old ones whats wrong? why cant i make my own threads?

[A_Perfect_Sonnet]

you need to wait 24 hours before you can post

[AshesOfHate]

first sonnet thank you

[AshesOfHate]

perfect*

[cyrus_05]

hey, ive been reading a couple of the threads. i was wondering if u could give us a few tips on getting started with songwriting. How can just sit down and start making songs?
do you have certain topics you think about and start from there? cause i play the guitar and all and yeh, i wanna start writing some songs. ok then, thanks alot, catcha

[cyrus_05]

can anyone give us a hand?

[A_Perfect_Sonnet]

well, the first step to writing a song is to come up with a topic... usually ill either have a topic and a few lines i think would work ready for it, and build off them. but if you are new to songwriting, id suggest starting just writing a lot of lines that make sense together, and eventually youll see that you have something you can work off of, it works for me at least and will probably get the ball rolling on your song writing.

also, dont think you have to be confined to lyrics by the type of music you play. just because you play heavy metal doesnt mean you have to write i hate you lyrics or i wish i was dead lyrics... just write lyrics about anything. also try and take a little bit of inspiration from some of your favorite bands (but dont copy them! i cant stress this enough) try and see what they write about, how they word things, song structure, etc.

do this and youll be on your way to being a good lyricist

[Zipper]

I've just recently started out in songwriting and I find that keeping a notepad helps a lot. I jot down ideas and then change them and mix other ideas together to see what works and what doesn't. It's unorganised which can lead to confusion. But it's a great way of keeping simple ideas alive rather than losing them.

The stumbling block I have is always the 2nd verse. I struggle to get on to that stage. Anyone have any advice for writing the 2nd verse/ overcoming writer's block?

[mshort813]

first sonnet thank you

wha?

[mshort813]

perfect*

ah.

[A_Perfect_Sonnet]

to write a second verse, try go more into depth about your first verse, or maybe present a new situation that still ties in the with main topic of your song, the chorus should work to help bring your verses together into a logical fashion

[jamiecb]

I think the best tip i can give to anyone writing songs is to forget that your writing a song. Thin k of anything that comes into your head that would make an intersesting topic to read about, or to hear a song about. Then start writing like a story, or even short words. It may seem rather meaningless at the start, but it will come together. Also, do not try to stick to a rigid "story line" when writing. Some of the best lyrics in the world are quite broken up, unclear etc. One time i dreamt lyrics but i'm a freak so forget that bit lol.

[morrissey]

welcome to the forums jamiecb :thumb:

[timbalesgirl]

Can I poste spanish songs? At first I thought you couldnt do it, but then someone posted a song in spanish, thats why I ask.
;)

[A_Perfect_Sonnet]

i had a question about raping little boys...

immoral? or perfectly okay?

[AngryDncngMonkey]

How do i start a thread? I have some really good stuff that i want to post...but it won't let me start a thread...GRRR!!!

[morrissey]

you have to wait 48 hours I think... so people don't just create accounts and spam like crazy

[AngryDncngMonkey]

argh...ok, thanx..i guess i can wait 48 hours...

[morrissey]

:lol: ... don't worry, I'll try to critique when you post it... that will make your day ;)

[AngryDncngMonkey]

yes it will

[clichealais]

Okay, lately I have been consistantly giving the same poetic advice to so many people, I'm sure you have probably gotten sick of reading the same thing( I know I've grown sick of writing it :P )

Anywho, I'll start off with my defenition of art... Art to me, is passion, being able to describe in paintings, sculptures, stories, music, poetry what we can't begin to describe blatantly... Art can change lives, art is revolutionary, art can make a little girl eating ice cream, or a young boy eating an apple seem interesting. Art leaves us wondering, what the hell just happened and why am I crying, smiling, or frowning.

Art comes from the soul, the passion you feel for the subject is a VERY important issue. It's not hard to tell if a piece is hollow or lacking true feelings. And on the contrary people often have a good concept, but just don't know how to describe it properly. I have a few tips which you may deem helpful..

1.Think about something you feel very passionate about, write down everything you have to say about this at the time, organize and prioritize these ideas. If there aren't very many ideas on the paper, this might signify that you aren't very passionate about the subject at all.

2.IMAGERY! Imagery gives us such a sense that what you say is true, and passionate. And if you can let us feel what you are feeling, let us see what you are seeing, let us breathe and smell exactly as you do. Suffocate yourself, (sacrifice the beauty of rhyme once and a while) and let us breathe your air, so we can know what it feels like.

3.Learn from your mistakes.. my final idea I will leave on is, to not be afraid if your work is not the greatest.. we've all been there. But it's important to learn from these mistakes and advance as writers. Suggestion? Critique your own work, make yourself feel like you just wrote the biggest piece of **** in the world.. and as you continue to do this.. you will write better and better poetry every time, learning from your prior mistakes.

But, remember, passion over anything. If your piece is read, heard whatever, and it touches someone through the passion you put into it.. you've done a good job.

[morrissey]

^-------rep ++ for you

EDIT: :upset:... I have given too much in the last 24 hours.. but later :thumb:

[Electric Riley]

Lets talk about rhyme. As you have probably noticed in the lyric game fing, I am a fan of rhyme. Rhyme adds another level, or element to a song. Rhyme is often used perfectly to make a song, a song.

However, rhyme is not always used. Some songs sound fantastic without rhyme. The lyrics fit together so neatly you wouldn't even notice. Sometimes, however, the lack of rhyme in a song can mess up the flow of a song. I should use examples, but I can't think of any.

Clichéd rhymes litter the popular music genre today more than ever. It is often difficult to come up with complicated and original rhymes, without taking meaning out of a song. Some words in english don't rhyme, for example "silver".

Good luck, keep rhyming,
Keep trying
Keep striving
Keep it up

[PTFROCKS]

okay...color me stupid....i am pretty new at the songwriting game and even newer at the critique, but it seems to me, by reading crits on my work as well as that of others , that there is no reason to have anything critiqued at all...it's like painting... if an art critic does not like landscapes, he will find a lot wrong with your painting, (i know this from personall experience), and if the guy reading your lyric does not like your style of music, you will recieve negative comments, based mostly on that.

i have noticed that in order to write a great song (according to the crits i've read here) it musn't rhyme, unless it needs a rhyme , or be too straight forward, or too obscure, or too emotional, it must have meaning for everyone who reads and/ or listens to it. god forbid if it's too depressing, or too happy or too dark...
to make a long story short(too late i know) all i see here is people saying good things about songs in their prefered genre, and bad things about the rest, no matter how well (or how bad) the songs are written.( though there are exceptions to this, and they probably know who thhey are)

Can you imagine how depressing listening to music would be if popular bands all wrote like a lot of you guys do?
my response to this is...can you imagine how boring music would be if all these guys wrote like the popular bands?

i don't write like everyone else...i don't play music like everyone else...we (my band) strive to be a little unique in putting our songs to our music.

honestly people...where do you think music would be today if Nirvana had big hair and wore make up? or where would it have gone if not for the beatles and elvis, for that matter.
there are some really good songs posted here that don't get the appreciation they deserve because they are not "just like the popular bands"

just my thoughts. bye

[mshort813]

Some words in english don't rhyme, for example "silver".

What about liver?

[morrissey]

S-I-L, not S-L-I...

Kill her almost rhymes with it though

[mshort813]

Oh, I read that wrong, I guess...or something.

Nice rhyme mozza...it's genious. Or "bill her" for that matter. Or "chill mur" if your name is Murry. Or "fill 'er" as in fill 'er up. or just filler. or killer. The possibilities are endless.

[morrissey]

Seriously.. WHY COULDN'T HE HAVE JUST SAID PURPLE??? WHY???

And my last name is Murray... that should be a new nickname for me... "Hey, chillmur!" works for me, though I like Mozza more ;)

[mshort813]

I could think of some for purple.





How does everyone get rid of their writers block?

[gttvc]

purple rhymes with nurple

[mshort813]

purple rhymes with nurple

Yeah, but only little ****s in 6th grade say that. if you want a real rhyme, go for "for full" or "church lull" or "per pull"

[morrissey]

I don't even know why I try.


Anyways, to get rid of writer's block... I come on to this site... highlight any one of APS's songs, copy/paste into word and TADA... new moz song.

I mean....uh....

[Electric Riley]

I don't even know why I try.


Anyways, to get rid of writer's block... I come on to this site... highlight any one of APS's songs, copy/paste into word and TADA... new moz song.

I mean....uh....
Touché

[Permanent Solution]

If you are zep = ok

anyone else, bordering on sketch...
:eek:

Stop spamming this thread nubs or ima get you all banned :thumb:

[morrissey]

:eek:

Stop spamming this thread nubs or ima get you all banned :thumb:


Dude.. that was from like 2 weeks ago. But I will leave this thread now :wave:

[Permanent Solution]

You still have 7 in here from today...

/moves to community thread

[Drum_Chum]

hey im just wondering when u guys write lyrics do u guys just write whatever comes to mind or about personal experiences or do u actually put alot of thought into what you write. like im just starting to wrtie and im now shure how to go about it and or wat to write about

[morrissey]

I write about personal experiences, and whatever comes to mind... AND I also put alot of thought into what I write. It isn't one or the other.. its a combination of everything.

Good luck with your writing :)

[severed_heaven]

I could think of some for purple.





How does everyone get rid of their writers block?

i sometimes trying to write poems/songs about writers block.

[severed_heaven]

hey im just wondering when u guys write lyrics do u guys just write whatever comes to mind or about personal experiences or do u actually put alot of thought into what you write. like im just starting to wrtie and im now shure how to go about it and or wat to write about

well iv'e only been writing about a year, mostly poetry untill i started playing guitar and naturally that evolved into songwriting...9/10 I would write about personal experiences, you can't really go wrong with that...considering i have only been writing seriously for a year i've had some of my poetry in art gallerys and had my work published in a book, so just stick to it...if you enjoy it and have a passion for it don't let anything stop you. :thumb:

[splashfreak]

Alright here's my question... How exactly should I write lyrics for really heavy, extremely staccato, palm muted riffs? It is much more difficult than one would imagine...

Any help would be appreciated.

[morrissey]

... There is no right or wrong way to do it. You can try playing the riff/have some one else play it, and improvize over it; you can write lyrics and try to fit them to the pre-composed riff; you can write lyrics and compose a riff around the melody in mind.

There are numerous other ways to go about it, but I can't say "line A" would sound really good here.. that's something you/your band have to figure out for yourselves.

[severed_heaven]

Well you could try a few things, first would be the way the song is sung e.g. for palm muted and shreded music theres more likely to be a heavy vocal style too, so screaming and growling would most likely fit well, alternatively you could write the lyrics so that they are short sharp bursts of vocals; I would say pieces with few sylables work well here, thats about all the advice I can offer...the best thing is to just experiment and try out different methods and find one that works best for you.

[splashfreak]

Yeah, I had one song in mind, but I think I have figured out lyrics for it. Thanks for the suggestions.

[Dilligent]

Hey,

The first thing to do is to come up with an idea. You need to have an idea how you want the result to sound, and an idea of what you want to sing over that. When you do it like that, the music would already fit into the lyrics from the start.
The important thing about having both, the musical and the lyrical subject in mind before starting to write, is that you will automatically write the lyrics in a rythm that will fit into the song.

I suggest you then start to write about the topic you have in mind.
Just write and let your imagination flow. You can correct weird spots later on.
The important thing is that you let it flow, and not try and write something that sounds positive to you. If you try and correct things that sound wierd at first, your lyrics will very likely be dull.

Another important aspect is rhyme. Rhyme is NOT nessacery, you can write wonderful lyrics that do not rhyme. On the other hand if you change too much of your song so that it rhymes your words may loose the meaning they were supposed to have, or turn out to sound bad. Structure, Rythm and flow is much more important than rhyme. Many good songs don't have rhyme so it is definately not nessacery.

The last thing i would advise is to write in your own words with your own feel to it. Don't try to copy other works, because it WILL be noticed. Feel confident about what you write, it is YOUR work, you will need to sing it. How would you go about singing a song that youre not confident about?

The last step to a good song is the musical "background". It is not a good idea, for example, to overkill the feeling of a sad song with 100% pure Minor chords all the time. A much better way to play the music is to sound as the lyrics go, but don't show it too openly. Make it noticeable, but don't overkill.
Hope that you can understand these guidelines, and i hope i helped a few people out here!

Dilligent

[Dilligent]

hey im just wondering when u guys write lyrics do u guys just write whatever comes to mind or about personal experiences or do u actually put alot of thought into what you write. like im just starting to wrtie and im now shure how to go about it and or wat to write about

When you just let it flow out of you you cant really go wrong with that.
I always manage to do it that way, and when i read over afterwards i can see that it seems to have quite some thought into it.
Try to let it flow, but at the same time think about what you're writing, it will come itself.

Dilligent

[severed_heaven]

Good tips Dilligent, welcome :thumb: :wave:

[DarkDark]

1.dont over do it with complexity
2. the patern is more important that the words

[severed_heaven]

1.dont over do it with complexity
2. the patern is more important that the words

I disagree, if everyone followed those rules there would be no good bands and artists.

[Monkey:Dust]

Complecity can be good sometimes. And the words are definately one of the most important things. If you get down what you want to say in your own words first then you can fit them into a pattern. You don't make a pattern then fit words to it.

[Dilligent]

Complecity can be good sometimes. And the words are definately one of the most important things. If you get down what you want to say in your own words first then you can fit them into a pattern. You don't make a pattern then fit words to it.


you need to have the pattern in mind before writing anythign down, of course, neither should be adjusted too much to fit to each other, but a general guideline is extremely important to get the right result.

[DarkDark]

i think people are more likely to go off and hum a decent singing pattern when hearing it for the first time rather than the words. becasue words arnt as easy to remember, thats why i think the pattern is more important :thumb:

[Dilligent]

oh, i was more referring to the time when you do write the song. People often also don't even listen that much to the lyrics, if they go well, unless there's something big in there (a good metaphor for example), and just listen to the melody. So i'd agree that the pattern is more important.

[Infinatedestiny]

r u allowed to ask people who they think the best songwriter is on the forums at the moment?

[shadowsfallon711]

i need some help with getting my songs replied to why does it take so long people

[morrissey]

r u allowed to ask people who they think the best songwriter is on the forums at the moment?

Some personal favourites: A Perfect Sonnet, Jason101, theredwonder, zeppelinfan2k3, metaliq, DoubtingVada, Sloth, sparkylp2002, mshort... there are plenty more, but all of those are excellent.

Sorry, Desolated Dreamers does not figure into that list.

[A_Perfect_Sonnet]

i need some help with getting my songs replied to why does it take so long people

you need to crit to be critted

[morrissey]

i need some help with getting my songs replied to why does it take so long people

I really cannot stand things like this. Go give in-depth, well thought-out responses to other people's pieces... and they will do the same for you. What goes around comes around. Critique songs by some of the well-known members, and they will be sure to return the favour.

Don't just expect people to drop everything they are doing and critique your song the instant it appears on the screen.

[severed_heaven]

I really cannot stand things like this. Go give in-depth, well thought-out responses to other people's pieces... and they will do the same for you. What goes around comes around. Critique songs by some of the well-known members, and they will be sure to return the favour.

Don't just expect people to drop everything they are doing and critique your song the instant it appears on the screen.

123...Ok I may not be the best example of this as i don't crit as many songs as i should but, critting can take a lot of time and effort so if you do get a crit be gratefull.

[Nightvision]

yeah, agreed, 123, amen, hallelujah, etc...

seriously, though - if I notice that someone has been critting really hard and well all night/day, I go right out of my way to make sure I not only crit them, but I give them a really decent and useful crit.
Believe it or not, the regulars here can tell whether you're critting because you want to help others, or whether you're only critting because you want your song critted. The first is always going to get more crits than the second.

[ultraspamboy]

be aware of the meaning of your song...in otherwords, always be ready to explain your song...whether it has meaning or not

(John lennon insisted Lucy in th sky with diamonds, was not about LSD, but a picture his son Julian drew that showed his school pal, lucy, flying in the sky with diamonds....Was this the real meaning? or a clever way to avoid bad publicity?)

I mentioned that to a friend of mine, and he said the lyrics of Lucy in the Sky are pretty much what using LSD is like.

[Cainey]

im completly new to song writing and wanted to start, but is there an order to sort of stick 2 when writing punk/rock ???
please give me some advice people

[Monkey:Dust]

There isn't a "plan of action". Everyone has their own ways of writing. There's a topic which has loads of people's ways of writing on the forum. It may be this one but I'm not about to look through 35 pages.

[Teri Jo]

When I write a song, sometimes it's with a guitar, just strummin' and hummin' and suddenly there's an idea and I go with it. Other times, I wake up at 3 am and write all the lyrics in one go, and the next day I just go around with those words in my head until some sort of melody tries to squeeze into the poem.

It's always different. As to inspiration, that's a different thing. Sometimes when the ole creativity seems dead, I look at billboards or just listen to what the people say around me. A lot of common phrases can be used to make a song.

and waiting - I have to agree. Evanescence has some wonderful lyrics - but by the end of the CD you are sure they are the most depressed people on the planet. I for one, can't listen to the whole CD straight.. I have to mix it up with some more upbeat songs!

Songs reflect life, a lot of the time. And hopefully, you're life isn't ALWAYS depressing!

Teri Jo

[A_Perfect_Sonnet]

Bright Eyes has some wonderful lyrics - and by the end of the CD you are sure he is the best songwriter on the planet. I for one, can't listen to just one song.. I have to keep listening until the cd melts, then i buy a new one!
Teri Jo

fixed, to make better

[theredwonder]

fixed, to make better

damn, i can't rep you. grrr :smoke:

/APS = prophet of The Truth

[Fraggy]

another tip:
write it like a poem, this gives your song a structure, if like me your songs always ends up in a rap! i like the Haiku structure:
5 syllables, 7 syllables, 5 syllables.
ie:
5 Wal-king-through-the-snow
7 On-a-one-horse-o-pen-slay
5 nA-Nah-nha-nah-nah!
that was a said attempt, i know!

[Fraggy]

btw, i continue the structure, like this:
5
7
5
7
5
etc!

[abstractremedy]

i'm the lead guitar in ma band (still thinking of a name) and my friend does vocals, is it ok if i wrote lyrics every now and again, or does it have to come from the songers heart?

:DDon't Worry Be Happy:D

[mshort813]

fixed, to make better

:lol: :lol: That was nice, APS!

Today, I was listening to Bright Eyes during class and then this kid listened to it and he said that they were "grandpa music" and told me I had the worst taste in music. Then I cried. I asked him for musical suggestions(just to see what he listened to) and he said Metallica and A7X. I hate him, so much.

[rebel32degrees]

can anyone tell me how to get an icon?

[mshort813]

You have to be cool to get oneados icon thingys.

[morrissey]

i'm the lead guitar in ma band (still thinking of a name) and my friend does vocals, is it ok if i wrote lyrics every now and again, or does it have to come from the songers heart?

:DDon't Worry Be Happy:D

No, you can write lyrics no problem. If your vocalist finds it uncomfortable, then you will have a problem. But plenty of bands have lyricists other than the singer (Rush, Taking Back Sunday(kind of), most pop singers...)

[UninvitedChaos]

What I always do is make sure i always have a piece of paper and a pen in my pocket incase i get a good riff in my head or a good verse so i can write it down.

[SarcasticVirtue]

I don't know if anyone posted this, but I'm not going through thirty-seven pages to find out.

Keep a Song Book!

Get a note book or something, if you're lucky you can get a leather soft back journal (just because those are so awesome, you don't really need it) and just write down ideas. Don't worry about forming them into songs right when you jot em down, just write 'em and then start to put things together. Draw in it, put magazine clippings, inspirational items, and use lots of different ink color. I use black ink for my first ideas and songs, then I use red ink to correct things like spelling, or cross crap out, then I use blue ink to revise the wording, then I use pink ink to note music rythms, write tab, jot down basslines, and write out which words to sticatto on and crap. I myself have a note book with a translucent cover, so I draw skulls and webs and other stuff on the front page, that makes a nice cover, then I doodle beside my songs and write band name ideas in a line at the top of the page. Song books are awesome to have, I'm going to start carrying mine around at school, but if your's is like mine, then you wouldn't want people getting into it unless you let 'em. I have cussing and **** in mine, so the parents wouldn't approve. I got my idea from Amy Lee of Evanescene, though I'm not a big fan, www.evanescence.com go to the band page, then click journal. Mine looks a lot like hers, except the drawings are better. ^_^

Edit: I plan to use my Song Book as a sanctuary. Probably put down book ideas and maybe some various notes about other stuff, but keepin' it small. I suggest not using dark markers, such as sharpies, they will bleed through your paper easily if you have a regular notebook. Parchment and heavy paper should be fine, same applies to wet glue.

[muel]

hey just wandering, i'm a new member of this forum and we're all just 16 year old high school lads really, but we're dead serious. I play the guitar and one of my friends plays the bass. We've both decided (seperatley though so we havn't worked together yet) to write songs really its just lyrics though. I was just wandering whether anyone had any useful tips? I sifted through the first 4 or 5 pages of the topic then notied how long it was and decided f**k this, and i went to this last page.
I mean should i do anything imparticular like carry a little note book with me, start reading more or what. The stuff i've attempted is quite light hearted and silly though. For example, I don't know if this is the same in america or wherever this forum's based.
But i always have a nice mug o' tea while i wake up in mornings in my cozy bed! and i've written a little ditty that i've called seasons 'n' its basically bout how i love mornings and how it varies thru the different seasons in the year. Good topic or just silly??? :thumb:
PLZ REPLY

[Nightvision]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=280338

see if that helps.

[SarcasticVirtue]

You love mornings?.. God, you're insane.


Anyway, seriously.
Take my songbook advice, just carry around a notebook and jot every idea that comes into your head. Both you and your bassist can write lyrics for the band, but someone is going to have to sing 'em all. ^_^

Reading more won't help, unless you're reading a dictionary to learn new words, or reading lyrics. Just sift though more pages of this thread, and carry around that notebook.

[sparkylp2002]

You love mornings?.. God, you're insane.


Anyway, seriously.
Take my songbook advice, just carry around a notebook and jot every idea that comes into your head. Both you and your bassist can write lyrics for the band, but someone is going to have to sing 'em all. ^_^

Reading more won't help, unless you're reading a dictionary to learn new words, or reading lyrics. Just sift though more pages of this thread, and carry around that notebook.

I must dissagree when you say reading more wont help. I cant really explain why it does, probaly some one on here probaly could. However it helps me. I think the more you read the more you become open to new ideas, something like that.

[SarcasticVirtue]

Reading could provide inspiration? But as far as improving how you write your lyrics, I really doubt it. Think of it as a game. Books increase your English/Reading stats, and Lyric Books increase your Songwriting stats. ^_^

[sparkylp2002]

Reading could provide inspiration? But as far as improving how you write your lyrics, I really doubt it. Think of it as a game. Books increase your English/Reading stats, and Lyric Books increase your Songwriting stats. ^_^

But, not trying to argue but getting my opinion across, if your good in english and reading then your songwritting will probaly get better. The reason is if you know the language and you read books you find new ways to manipulate the language to meet your needs for the piece. So techinicly everything is related in this sense.

[Nightvision]

Yeah, I have to side with sparky here...


Let's look at it in its most basic form:

You can manipulate the English language without being able to write songs.

You can't write songs without being able to manipulate the English language.

[SarcasticVirtue]

Tell me, if you read The Berenstein Bears go to Camp, would that help you manipulate the English language? Doubtful... the point is, that reading any given book probably won't help you know what sounds good in a song. A dictionary, or thesaurus on the other hand would teach you new words, and if you don't have an understanding of the English language, you probably shouldn't be writing songs. Now, let me rephrase. If you read a worthless book that doesn't further your reading, vocabulary, or mental ability, then no it won't help. I suppose I'll agree with you guys, the better you are are reading and writing, the more you will obviously be better at writing songs? Nice quote Jason. Heh...

[Nightvision]

Yep... and it's mine i tell you, all mine!!!

*copyrights quote*

[SarcasticVirtue]

Nuuu!

[LiveWire420]

My problem is that I can only write when I get inspired so I have dozens of random verses in my notebook but I can't actually finish a song. Any tips?

[pixiesfanyo]

^ Get inspired more?

[LiveWire420]

^ Of Course! It's so simple, if only someone had told me that before. Thank you pixiesfanyo, when my band makes it I'll be sure to give you a shoutout at the Grammy's.

[pixiesfanyo]

here.

Are you finding yourself in another “Writer’s Block?” Do you think your lyrics lack imagery? Do your songs lack details? These are common problems all songwriters face, but there is a method to get yourself out of a rut and improve your writing. This is called Object Writing.

Object Writing is an exercise in which you start writing about one object and lead to other objects and places using all senses to display imagery. Lyricist and Berklee College of Music professor, Pat Pattison popularized this method. For detail on the subject, check out his book “Writing Better Lyrics.” The first chapter is about Object Writing. In this article, I will go over the basics and give my own input on the subject.

You can start this exercise by picking any object you can think of. This could be anything in the room you are in: chair, desk, computer, plant, and painting. It could be something outside: back porch, mailbox, and swimming pond. It does not matter what the object is. The important thing is how you relate your senses to the object and the imagery you get out of it. You do not have to stay on the same object. For instance, suppose I’m going start with “Church Bell” as an object. Already I’m thinking about hearing the church bell ring to start Sunday service and that the church is having a luncheon afterwards where people will be eating chicken. Chickens were raised on a farm and now I’m seeing a man driving a tractor down a dirt road. It reminds me of the area I grew up where there were dirt roads leading to apple orchards that my kindergarten class used to take field trips to. Within a few sentences I have went from Church Bell to my kindergarten class.

You don’t have to make a story out of Object Writing. It doesn’t have to make any “sense” at all. Don’t even think about rhyming. Just try to include as many senses as possible that relate to what you are talking about. When I think of the word “Flower” I can smell it, touch it, see it, but I probably won’t taste it. Use your imagination and anything is possible. It helps to write the name of the senses at the top of your paper or document file before you start. They are but not limited to: Touch, Taste, Sight, Smell, Sound, and Kinetic (how your body relates to the object.)

Object Writing should be done in intervals of 10 minutes. When the timer goes off you stop writing no matter how much you have finished or if you are in the middle of writing a word. You can also do shorter versions in 5 minutes with the same rules applied. For serious writers, it is recommended that you do it every day for 10 minutes in the morning. Most people have 10 minutes to spare in the morning and if not, you could always get up 10 minutes early! Doing this in morning also gets your creative juices flowing so if you write lyrics later that day it will help you. If you write your lyrics on paper, get a composition notebook just for Object Writing. Leave the first few pages blank and then log your entries daily. If you read it back to yourself and find a line you like that you think you could put in a song, write it in the front of the book. If you write on your computer just make a file dedicated to ideas and lines that came from Object Writing.

There are many professional songwriters who still do Object Writing. John Mayer and Gillian Welch have used this method. There are also some groups of songwriters in Nashville I have heard of who will do Object Writing for 3 hours (in 10 minute intervals). Every Sunday, they will have a pot luck and read each other what they wrote. Object Writing in groups is a lot of fun and is educational. With a group of people you can start with the same object and no one will end the same. You can also see each other’s writing style and how they approach ideas. Without further ado, let’s try one:

I’m going to pick an object at random. As of writing this, I have not done this object before and will not edit what I write. Everything you will see here was written at the moment. Set your timer for 10 minutes. Share your writing here after you are finished. The object is “Poker Table” Go:

A group of friends gather around the poker table on Saturday night to play a few games and enjoy the sweet taste of beer. A few cherry-scented cigars are light which are from Cuba. Fidel Castro’s beard looks very dirty and he could probably use a trim. Old barbershops with the creamy warm shaving cream were popular in the early 20th century where gossip would fill the room. The barber probably heard all of the town gossip including who was sleeping with whom and who bought a new car. I’ve been stuck in bumper to bumper traffic and loud disgruntled drivers honk their horns and yell profanities at whoever caused the mess. The stop light turns green but no one goes. Someone probably is missing their kid’s talent show where you see musicians and puppeteers sharing the same stage. Fraggle Rock was a cool show. Each of the puppets were multi-colored like a box of crayons. I remember seeing kids eat crayons before. Probably wasn’t too healthy but that’s why they put “Non-toxic” on the box. I wonder what they tasted like? Probably wax like what they use to make candles. I would like to have a romantic dinner with a nice girl one night. They seem to all love candles and I am a wine lover. I’ve heard that fresh rose pedals are sold so you can put them over your bed. Waterbeds are fun to sleep on. It feels like you are swimming and can hear the waves while you sleep. I’ve seen adults use night-lights before. I wonder what the purpose that is. Maybe to find their way down the stairs enough to find the light switch for a midnight snack of cookies. I’ve always wanted to visit Pepperidge farm. Milanos are the best. There was a commercial before with some woman eating them in a bubbly bathtub. She looked relaxed. She ignored the yells of her kid’s demands all for the luxury of a cookie. I wonder what her husband did for a living? Maybe he was stuck in an office doing someone’s tax papers or he was a movie star? Movie theater popcorn sucks. It is always stale and the floors are sticky.

There you have it. I tried to include as many senses and images as possible. Whatever comes into your head just write down. I’m very interested in seeing what others wrote using the same object to start with. Don’t be shy and share! Happy writing.

[LiveWire420]

Thank you. Was that so hard? (:

[pixiesfanyo]

Shut your Mouth Faggotz.

...

And by shut your mouth I mean Review my song.

[muel]

Hey all, thanx for all the advice just like to set two things straight. I don't like mornings but i do enjoy lying in bed where its warm while havin a cup of tea and listening to a bot o' Iron maiden or maybe a bit of jimi hendrix somethin like that.
My thinking behind the whole reading more thing was that i used to write little stories in my english lessons and the main bit of advice my teacher gave me was to read more. But anyway is that song idea ok, u guys know wat ur on about! cheers

[Rob_fenderstrat04]

Lyrics aren't a problem because my band has a singer who is really deep in what he thinks, its coming up with the rhythem of guitaring to fit it that is my problem and what to play, because powerchords and barre chords always sound so boring yet open chords aren't heavy enough, any tips, cheerz peeps

[Jar-Of-Mice]

I always find it esier if i dont know what to write about, i put on a song, listen to it a few times and think about how it makes me feel. If after it's done, i say to myself "I feel like i have just been taken to a different land" as some really good songs can do to you, then what do i write about?

Being taken to a different land by something that moves me.
But this one topic, can turn into so much more. If you just think.
Metaphors are essential in this kind of writing, so much can be done through this. I have written probably 134 songs about the way 1 song made me feel.

Thats powerful.

JOM

[Mr_lewis]

Hi i cant post my own thread so im just going to post it in here i looking for some crit on my song that im writing its called breakthrough thanks.

so many things were left unsaid
things runnin back and forth through my head
could it have been different and not the same
they way things are its driving me insane

please dont leave, is this the only way
id love to be with you but you dont feel the same
why must it be like this,am i to blame
say anything, give me a sign i wish that we could

Breakthrough, you and me together we could
Breakthrough, together flying forever we could
Breakthrough,you and me together we could, Breakthrough

cheers

[Halal]

Breakthrough, you and me together we could
Breakthrough, together flying forever we could
Breakthrough,you and me together we could, Breakthrough

cheers
One thing I see, it isnt that big of an issue... but.... You and I not you and me

Other than that.....Id say your good!! :) :wave:

[walkthisway1]

Hi i cant post my own thread so im just going to post it in here i looking for some crit on my song that im writing its called breakthrough thanks.

so many things were left unsaid
things runnin back and forth through my head
could it have been different and not the same
they way things are its driving me insane

please dont leave, is this the only way
id love to be with you but you dont feel the same
why must it be like this,am i to blame
say anything, give me a sign i wish that we could

Breakthrough, you and me together we could
Breakthrough, together flying forever we could
Breakthrough,you and me together we could, Breakthrough

cheers

thats not very good, you sound like a teenage boy complaining about his girlfriend leaving him

[AForgottenElement]

just a little tip on how i personally write my lyrics, the best idea (IMO) is to first of all just get down any sentances that mean something to you, at this point it doesnt matter if they fit with ther sentances youve got, once youve got a few of these lines youll find it becomes easier to write around them, also dont be afraid to "Batter" a sentance to make it fit with other lines, when im writing i usually end up changing most of the original sentances that i come up with to make them fit, once you got a rough sketch of the finished lyric, give it a little bit more of a polish and never finish with it until YOU are 100% happy with what youve put into it

[A_Perfect_Sonnet]

nobody cares how you write your ****ty lyrics

[AForgottenElement]

nobody cares how you write your ****ty lyrics

Id like to know what justification you have for saying my lyrics are ****ty when i havent posted any on here so a resounding **** you and have a nice day

[A_Perfect_Sonnet]

you are a ****ing tard, thats how i know :rolleyes:

[afireinside86]

my trick is to keep a pen and a pad by my bedside cause sometimes stuff comes to people when their head is the clearest, which would usually be trying to fall asleep. just a thought

[afireinside86]

by the way, you two guys calm it down

[--Attaboy_Skip--]

here's a question, i dont know if its been asked before but how do you write a song and have it not be clichéd. thats my big problem, everything i come up with is always clichéd and it's frustrating for me. is there any way to avoid this? if so, how?

Cheers

[Believer]

I'm one of the primary lyrical providers for my band, and I've noticed that alot of my song titles are direct phrases from Philosophical texts, or painting titles, or literary works... I was wondering how much of this is too much?

Like I have a few songs named after Nietzsche works like "Human, All-Too Human", "Twilight of Idols" etc. and I'm working on one called "The Sleep of Reason", after de Goya's painting "The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters"...

And whenever I read a good phrase I may work it into a song that I'm writing, and maybe change the wording around slightly... is that okay? I wanted to ask now so I wouldnt be accused/criticized of just taking other peoples ideas. I usually write songs with my own words, just with titles/themes/odd phrases from works I mentioned above. Please tell me, my conscious is going to do me over if I dont get an answer, or change entirely! :S

[Electric Riley]

I think this is okay, if its not too obvious. No-one is going to sue you for copying them for that. Everyone percieves statements with their own ideology and reasoning, so the painter in question may have not even meant his words to be used suitably in the context you've created. I think this is actually a good idea.

[JimmyTheExploder]

What do you think the easiest way to write a song is- music and then lyrics or lyrics and then music?

[gardnerville gangsta]

my freind does song then music..

[mshort813]

What do you think the easiest way to write a song is- music and then lyrics or lyrics and then music?

I wrote a response to that. Then it went down...I'm not writing it again...

[A_Perfect_Sonnet]

the easiest way is to write them both as you go along, DURRR

[IAJP]

Can anyone suggest anywhere I could draw inspiration from, for non-sensical lyrics?

[Nightvision]

Gardnerville Gangsta would be a start...



Seriously though, it depends how nonsensical you're going for... Reel Big Fish nonsensical or Presidents of The USA nonsensical?

[KurtCobain2902]

When you have a song written, does the guitar riff need to completely match the vocal lines? Like how the solo to Teen Spirit matches the vocal dealy?

[Electric Riley]

When you have a song written, does the guitar riff need to completely match the vocal lines? Like how the solo to Teen Spirit matches the vocal dealy?
You'd have a pretty boring solo... or a very wide singing range...

[britton]

this is an original song by my band how do u like it

"Something Dwells Within Me"

-lyrics by Ben

A soul is born
the spirt dies
The grave cries tears of life
Freed from sin is the death that lingers
around my heart


something dwells within me
a evil spirit
it carries me 2 the grave
when the church bell strikes 5
a possessed razor will
dwell within me

The deamon told me
I’m not afraid of dieing
the angle of god
gave me life a new life
I had killed and
the deamon possessed me

something dwells within me
a evil spirit
it carries me 2 the grave
when the church bell strikes 6
a possessed razor will
dwell within me


born to new life
the deamon defeated
evil has one
possessed and born anew
this soul will prevail the nightmare will end
painless forever

[A_Perfect_Sonnet]

Wrong thread genious.

[KurtCobain2902]

Wrong thread genious.

What a moron. Irony.

[paganinio]

paganinio [QUOTE] of the day
try your best to WRITE DOWN every idea you come up with
sometimes you come up with 10 ideas within 1 minute, and surely you'll forget some, but do write down as many as you can
what? you are not good at staff? use a tape recorder or sth, SING your idea and record it down on a tape.

[A_Perfect_Sonnet]

What a moron. Irony.

Wow wait, would'nt irony be me posting a song in here? Yeah, that's what I thought too. Now why dont you go back to your room where all the walls are painted black and cry about how girls dont love you or something? Maybe you'll find a dictionary in there while you're at it, and can actually look up the meaning of the word "irony"?
Bye now ****wit.

[Electric Riley]

Wow wait, would'nt irony be me posting a song in here? Yeah, that's what I thought too. Now why dont you go back to your room where all the walls are painted black and cry about how girls dont love you or something? Maybe you'll find a dictionary in there while you're at it, and can actually look up the meaning of the word "irony"?
Bye now ****wit.
THATS what I call a good flame. Bravo.

[Wish I Could Play Like YNGWIE]

i have, what i think, is a decent structured song, complete with a melody and good rythm etc.
But i haven't got a clue how to go about putting some music to it.
help please...

[L{}UDER IS BETTER]

this might be thread material,but is it just me or do lyrics on the most part,not make sense anymore.Its seems that bands just throw words around and there is no conviction or theme to the music of 'today."

[A_Perfect_Sonnet]

this might be thread material,but is it just me or do lyrics on the most part,not make sense anymore.Its seems that bands just throw words around and there is no conviction or theme to the music of 'today."

Your listening comprehension skills just suck.

[Kosmik182]

i got a question. i know how to make some good music without any lyrics or what not, but when i put my mind to pad, it just doesn't come out right. seems like everytime i try and create lyrics for a song of mine, i always end up making things rhyme and i dont want to be forced to doing that all the **** time. im just curious as to how people put words together and make them fit and sound good. mine always suck and i kinda wonder from the subject to much.
thanks in advanced.

[Zoltar]

Not that Im personally agreat, or even decent songwriter, but I was searching the internet for tips, and found this ---> http://www.musesmuse.com/schind.html <--- Its a really good article on songwriting, not only does it give you alot of tips, but its written really well so its enjoyable to read.

[Electric Riley]

Not that Im personally agreat, or even decent songwriter, but I was searching the internet for tips, and found this ---> http://www.musesmuse.com/schind.html <--- Its a really good article on songwriting, not only does it give you alot of tips, but its written really well so its enjoyable to read.
Welcome to MX, and thanks for the great article. It was a pleasure to read.

[L{}UDER IS BETTER]

Yo sonnet,were you born an *******,or did that skill just take years of practice?You need to stop bashin on ppl when they happen to say something you dont agree with.Your bad attitude just shows your weakness and the problems you carry.So have a nice day...****WHIT! :wave:

[Zoltar]

people are so nice.....

[A_Perfect_Sonnet]

Yo sonnet,were you born an *******,or did that skill just take years of practice?You need to stop bashin on ppl when they happen to say something you dont agree with.Your bad attitude just shows your weakness and the problems you carry.So have a nice day...****WHIT! :wave:

:lol:

Obviously you dont understand that you are in fact an idiot. I like how you used "****wit", that was so original :rolleyes: (looks up to his response to that Kobain kid). Are you really so dumb that you think that you can get me to stop bashing people with (get this) MORE brain cells than you? I really doubt that will happen, ever. You can try and convince me some more, but I doubt it will work, seeing as how you couldn't even string together your thoughts into even a remotely good arguement, let alone flame. Then to top it all off you add the stupidest smiley I've ever seen, after stealing MY own word that I just used as an insult. I've got a new one you can steal though, it's called "You are a ****ing inbred son of a bitch, now learn to use a computer and stop trying to look like you are smart over the internet."

[A_Perfect_Sonnet]

Not that Im personally agreat, or even decent songwriter, but I was searching the internet for tips, and found this ---> http://www.musesmuse.com/schind.html <--- Its a really good article on songwriting, not only does it give you alot of tips, but its written really well so its enjoyable to read.

That link had some tips that I give out myself, it should be a lot of help to everyone :). Awesome find.

[jeremy_a]

If you can't write lyrics for **** does getting stoned help?

[Electric Riley]

Only if you share some with me.

[Fabrizzio]

Whenever i try to write a song it ends out sounding corny how can i fix this?

[L{}UDER IS BETTER]

Sonnet,you are god and you are awesome...your pretty **** lucky there is a comp. and prabably a few hundred miles seperating us.Cuz I would totally slam you,all you are is a wanna be musician(that sux at bass)and you prabably could'nt sing a note in tune if your own life depended on it,lol. I'm done talkin to you , you little prick
So keep ;iving a lie, cuz the only place your "music" and bad attitude will take you is workin at a fastfood joint,taking my freakin order. P.S.-I would like fries and a coke with that! ;)

[Zoltar]

I just signed up for this site, its great, I can honestly say its making me a better musician. Anyway, I jsut wanted to say that leaving threatening messages for people who probly live half way around the world really doesnt do much for you, or them, or any of the people that use this site. If your pissed off, then go get in a fight, get stoned, have sex, drink, or even get a life...do whatever the hell that thing is that you do that will make you feel better, just dont try to be cool by threating people you dont know on a message board. Also, if you really get that pissed that some little kid half way around the world that you dont know insaults you on a message board....well, that is really, really sad..... (no offense to those who have been writing all those messages, just please stop)

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[Zoltar]

Anyway....

If you can't write lyrics for **** does getting stoned help?


its different for everyone, peraonlly, when I get high (*on life*) and i have an electric guitar, a big amp, a distorion pedal, and plenty of chips, coke(a cola), and gummy bears, I can play, improvise, write, and count backwords from Z a lot better, but as said by wink_wink, only if you share some with me (and wink_wink)
DONT DO DRUGS!!!on a seperate note, naturally grown plants are just plants....not drugs

[reuben746]

i must admit, having a smoke does help with the old inspirado sometimes, but i wouldnt suggest it as a fool-proof plan. theres nothing i can say that hasnt already been said, all the people that yous ask for advide were probably in the same situation as you are now, just they persevered (spelling?) and kept at it, and found out whats right. i go through times of different inspiration, like periods of writing on guitar, and then ill go through a period of writing lyrics and itl keep going. what im trying to say is that you shouldnt force anything, otherwise itl end up sounding corny blah blah blah. just experiment with everything and dont be ashamed about anything that you write

i was going to say "thats about all i can say" but i forgot one last thing, probably the most important thing

if your trying to write lyrics for a tune and it always sounds pish/cheesy or it always rhymes etc, just try and look at it from a completly different angle, go away and have a wank or a cup of tea, and then come back to it and just blast the song out in your head, as if its your fav song. listen to what it should be like to you. i believe that is what they call the great inspirado...

dont rip off other bands either, its better to be bloody awful than to be a rip off act

[A_Perfect_Sonnet]

Sonnet,you are god and you are awesome...your pretty **** lucky there is a comp. and prabably a few hundred miles seperating us.Cuz I would totally slam you,all you are is a wanna be musician(that sux at bass)and you prabably could'nt sing a note in tune if your own life depended on it,lol. I'm done talkin to you , you little prick
So keep ;iving a lie, cuz the only place your "music" and bad attitude will take you is workin at a fastfood joint,taking my freakin order. P.S.-I would like fries and a coke with that! ;)

A few corrections and obvious holes in your logic:

¤I am a better singer than you'll ever be.
¤I was accepted to all 3 colleges I applied to (art student).
¤I don't much care about bass because I do acoustic guitar sets, nor do I call myself a prodigy.
¤You know for a fact that you wouldn't "do" anything even if we lived 2 blocks away from eachother.
¤I don't eat fast food, nor do I aspire to ever hold a job at a fast food restraunt.
¤You are only here because some fat *** drunk knocked up your whore of a mother, so I dont see where you think you come off as being "better" than me, especially on a forum website.
¤I don't think you've proved yourself of having any less of an attitude than me, let alone being less of a prick.

Now if you don't mind, go away. THANKS!

[gardnerville gangsta]

HEY MAN!...im gunna side with gardnerville on this one...whats wrong with you sonnet....you donteven know how to play with a toothbrush let alone a whole can of peas...how the hell would that work...i think sonnet should beat his ***....YA GO THE OTHER KID...i mean sonnet...no i mean the toothbrush and the can of peas that sonnet cant handle...what if the toothbrush and can of peas got in afight...that would be cool...AND sonnet couldnt jump in...unless he was blind folded in that case he is god!

[A_Perfect_Sonnet]

HEY MAN!...im gunna side with gardnerville on this one...whats wrong with you sonnet....you donteven know how to play with a toothbrush let alone a whole can of peas...how the hell would that work...i think sonnet should beat his ***....YA GO THE OTHER KID...i mean sonnet...no i mean the toothbrush and the can of peas that sonnet cant handle...what if the toothbrush and can of peas got in afight...that would be cool...AND sonnet couldnt jump in...unless he was blind folded in that case he is god!

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[Kosmik182]

why do you guys fight all the time. stop being a bunch of school girls and make this thread useful instead of slamming each other all the time.

and i still cant write any lyrics for ****, stoned or not. my friends say i can sing some funny **** when im drunk though will that work if i get like super depressed.

[Zero Peace]

i dont know about you but im getting tired of all the death depression and destruction songs out there but most of the songs that are positive seem to be extremely corny. any hints on being positive without singing about a girl and sounding corny?

[A_Perfect_Sonnet]

Look at some of Conor Oberst's (Bright Eyes) lyrics, he makes lots of upbeat type songs.

[sparkylp2002]

i dont know about you but im getting tired of all the death depression and destruction songs out there but most of the songs that are positive seem to be extremely corny. any hints on being positive without singing about a girl and sounding corny?

My only advice is keep writting on an upbeat topic, untill you get something that you find not to be corny.

[Zero Peace]

whats some good bright eyes songs or cds that i might get?

[gardnerville gangsta]

who agrees with me

[hendrixonpunk]

always use metaphors. always.

[Electric Riley]

Always use punctuation. Always.

[A_Perfect_Sonnet]

L.ike. Th?!is...!!!!!!

[BrokenSaint]

I can rip through writing my first verse and a chorus, but when it comes to writing a second verse I have trouble making it fit with the first one. Suggestions??

[benfan]

L.ike. Th?!is...!!!!!!

stfu

[Severed_Vayne]

Does anyone else have a problem of matching there lyrics to their songs?
My band makes good songs, and I write half-decent lyrics, but I'm having trouble trying to fit in the lyrics with the music. Is there any key points I should keep in mind when trying to sing the lyrics to the song? thanks for any replys.

[A_Perfect_Sonnet]

Judging by your avatar, I couldn't help you if I wanted to.

[Severed_Vayne]

Judging by your post count and name, I'd say your busy arguing gay rigths with some 12 year old kid.

[A_Perfect_Sonnet]

Judging by your post count and name, I'd say your busy arguing gay rigths with some 12 year old kid.

Wow, you know what's up. Not only a witty comment... but extremely intelligent and well thought out. I know if I came onto some forum website and started asking people how to put lyrics to music, I'd think I was brilliant too. Try listening to the song when you write them, dipshit.

[Severed_Vayne]

Its hard singing to a 11/8 time signture. But I'm sure you wouldn't know because your little prefect ***** sonnets probably all run in 4/4.

[A_Perfect_Sonnet]

Don't make up excuses as to why you can't do it.

[Severed_Vayne]

Don't deny the fact that your a queer...Oh wait, you aren't denying it.

[A_Perfect_Sonnet]

Don't deny the fact that your a queer...Oh wait, you aren't denying it.

Usually, people who accuse others of being gay with no provocation are trying to hide the fact they are gay themselves. Just because I'm not some faggy goth kid who writes shitty lyrics about bleeding myself to death, doesn't make me any less heterosexual. In fact, it probably makes me more of a man than you, seeing as how I don't go around trying to pick fights with people that are obviously smarter than me over stupid questions I brought up in the first place. I can see how you would lord your biting wit and genius IQ over me though, since it just shines through in that statement seen in the box above. Don't try and deny the fact that you are a moronic closet-case with a superiority complex either... oh wait, you aren't.

[Severed_Vayne]

Wow, that was quite the post. Wait one moment while I pull out my thesoraus and book of contradictory statements and get back to you.

[A_Perfect_Sonnet]

You'd probably want to pick up a dictionary while you're gone too, considering you didn't even spell thesaurus right.

[Severed_Vayne]

Congratulations, you know how to operate an online dictionary too. As we all know grammar, spelling and punctuation mean everything on an online music forum intended for teens. But I guess when people like you try to come off as intelligent, they use any stop they can get.

[A_Perfect_Sonnet]

/Looks back a few posts

Yeah, I can see what a genius you are.

[Severed_Vayne]

*Sumbles and panics for witty reply but gets nothing*
/looks back a few posts
Yeah, i can see what a genious you are.
*Looks at rising post count and smiles, glad that he's gonna b3 ub3r p0pular with sth0 m4ny p0ths's!!!*

[A_Perfect_Sonnet]

Funny, since you know you have no actual insults left that you've resorted to nonsensical rambling. Have fun with that.

[Severed_Vayne]

Nonsensical rambling to the moron who can't read.

[Severed_Vayne]

Please...if you were thinking about posting your speed reading score, dont. You'll only make yourself look worse.

[Severed_Vayne]

Well its good to know you can still get into a decent flamewar here. Thanks for that perfect sonnet. I've only got one thing left to say.....0WN3D

[A_Perfect_Sonnet]

You are actually celebrating the fact you proved yourself a complete moron? Go for it.

[benfan]

well to be fair this is a tips and QUESTIONS thread, it doesn't say tips and highly inteligent questions does it, and biengs how you always slag people's lyrics off APS i dont know how you expected to be asked a question which will really test your knowledge.

[RyMac59]

I, or my band, have no problem at all coming up with really sweet music but none of us can write lyrics, i dont know if theyre all afraid to or what but i try and i just cant find a topic, i try to look for topics in life but it ends up being stupid cause my life is boring, writing about being bored is also boring.