Tips And Questions

[RoboGeek]

Me to. Just struggling with actually putting bits together.

[voodoo_child86]

Cheers daniel7540 i think :s, it is just practice. Toodles

[Danish]

Ok, I've just recently gotten into writing whole songs with an acoustic guitar. I've never tried to write lyrics and put them to music before. I have no problem coming up with stuff on the guitar, and lyrics, though somewhat troublesome, do come eventually. I can play guitar and sing at the same time. My main problem is vocal melody. How can I effectively work on vocal melody?

[A_Gowans]

my personal biggest problem when i first stasrted.
just starti singing along

[warningpunk]

What do you guys think? I've written many songs both lyrically and musically. Check it out.

Desensitized

Losing all feeling in my brain
Immune to temptation and pain
Sensations swirling throughout my head
Unclear if I’m as good as dead
Heavily sedated by technology
Got my fix from the television screen

(Chorus)
Like a never ending dream
I can’t seem to wake up myself from
Cold sweat is what the nightmares bring
All I can do is pull the plug

Brain dead and running out of time
I find my body walking in a single file line
Excuse me while I repeat myself
All my senses have been shot and killed
Falling face first into the great expanse
Couldn't think of anything if I had a chance

We’ve become zombies without a cause
Searching for something we never lost
Followers of the almighty irrelevance
Our words and actions lacking a conscience
We’d like to push ourselves away
Too accustomed to allow things to change

Like a never ending riot
We do our best to keep quiet
We claim that we are human beings
But our voice keeps getting silenced

Can we see above the static?

[loserkiduk182]

melody is what i need help on. when i (try to) write songs, there is never any good melody, it just gets repetitive. If i could get melodies, then i'd probably be able to write some good lyrics. can anyone help on this?? thanks.

[Kow49]

Never Never Never limit ur self to a genre just play wut u think of and right like u right the only thing that makes u a unique sounding band is by righting stuff for ur heart(or brain)

This is by far the most important thing u can go by


other tips

for making lyrics for music

1) sit down with ur mic and try to find a lyric pattren that will fit ur song well then write the rest of lyrics to this rythem

once u get good at this then u will be able to make multible rythems and combine them in a verse or chorus

Writing lyrics before song

1) again Sit down with ur mic and instrument and play some pattrens try many different ones

2) when writing the lyrics u might have a figured out a cool pattren to say them. this pattren probally will be very hard to fit in with music. So try changing speed, flow and Pattren of ur lyrics to fit the music


opinonly wise I usually right lyrics 2 songs but sometimes I dont because i think of some good lyrics or I might i want to change to a different pattren for a song

but ether can work out great in the end

heres my tips

AND HAVE FUN WRITING SONGS!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D

[Kow49]

Originally posted by Danish
Ok, I've just recently gotten into writing whole songs with an acoustic guitar. I've never tried to write lyrics and put them to music before. I have no problem coming up with stuff on the guitar, and lyrics, though somewhat troublesome, do come eventually. I can play guitar and sing at the same time. My main problem is vocal melody. How can I effectively work on vocal melody?


my main problem with this was that I didnt have the vocal range yet to sing melodys


just keep singing and making songs


Dont Scrap any of ur work or songs just keep them maybe record them onto comp or play them

but dont be worried to try to improve them

I find myself going back to old songs and making them better alot

[telekinetic_guitar]

wow, lots of info here, thanks a bunch guys, i think i'll have better
writing now!

thanx again

[theoryx]

PERSONALY A GREAT TIPS IS TO KEEP A PAD ON YOU ALL THE TIME AND TRY TO WRITE POETRY AND RANDOM LINES THAT SOUND GOOD IN YOUR HEAD WHEN DECIDING TO WRITE A SONG LOOK BACK ON YOUR RANDOM SONG LINES AND POETRY TRY WALKING WITH OUT AND DESTARCTIONS IE CD PLAYER TRY TO GO PLACES WHICH MIGHT BE INSPETIONAL TO U AND THINK OF PEOPLE THAT AFFECTED YOUR LIFE AND THROW IN METAPHORES. SEND ME A MESSAGE IF THIS HELPS OR MAKES SENSE

[schiggy]

how the hell did i end up on here when i didnt post anything?

[Darkdan]

hey i can write fairly good lyrics but cant do much at all when it comes to writing music to go with it can anybody here help me on that?

[schiggy]

try listening to music and writing at the same time

[Darkdan]

thanks for the advice!!!!!!!!

[schiggy]

np

[Sonar]

dont rhyme to rhyme.

[schiggy]

^ unless you want to do rap

[blackend_shadow]

i cant make of guitar rifts while listening to music or i just rip the song im listening to off

[mullet_monster]

how do i make up an idea of the what the song is going to be about i can never think uh anything except for one song i made about a guy with a mullet, but its really short. And how do i make a song thats not pop punk because i hate pop punk?

[8daysguitarist]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by OobieJ00bie
How would I start out making a song? I can sit and think for a long time and end up with nothing. I might be able to come up with a few words or sentances sometimes but thats all, Any help on starting out? Thanks

Great tips by the way keep them coming! [/QUOTE

Try this .. one way i make beginnings are like this... ok say you write a song its very good instead of sitting there thinking about a beginning to it.. just take the first to lines of the first verse and do something creative with it.... another way to help is to ask someone that writes lyrics to.. to help you come up with a beginning... thats what i usually do if im stuck on something.. well thats all i have to say see you later.

[blackend_shadow]

when i write songs i just write down loads of lyrics then scrap the bits i dont like or use them to make another song

[XtremeLesPaul]

I can hear words to songs just fall together in my head, but i don't have any vocal talent and my the time i get to home to my Les Paul and drumset and i can't remember how the lyrics sound. I go back to the words and all I see is words, the song is gone. What can I do about this?

[theearlynovember]

Carry a notepad and a tape recorerer on you at all times. If you have this problem a lot then this will definantly help you out. Just sing and record it. No matter how well you sing. It will remind you of what you wanted it to sound like when you get home so you can work on it again.

[painglasshell206]

Does anyone know of a program you can get off of kazaa that will let me play with songs? Like let me isolate the guitar of it and let me blend the sound with another song or something like that. Because I'm not exactly creative so I'm gonna take parts of songs I like and just blend them together and try and wing it from there if thats possible at all, and another qustion. Is creativity something you are born with or is it something you can develop? :(

[blackend_shadow]

so are you saying that when your walking down the strret you should always carry a tape recorder and note ped with you
so you can stop in the middle of the road and write down the lyrics?

some people are born with creativity and some people need to develop it

i dont know about downloading off kazaa but if you go on ebay you can get ****ty little recording things that let you do that

[shguitar]

wtf should i do. im in a band in derby called Sound Habit and we have been little bits of every genre but havent managed to stick to 1.

we have finally got a cross between punk and emo.
im the guitarist and i write the songs. my lyrics always end up being about dying, pain, osing out and negative stuuf.


please help me :confused: :confused: :eek: :eek: :confused:

[blackend_shadow]

at least you seem to be writing songs my band does bugger all

i demand you get me a new one

[54cr3d_5i13nc3]

Write just after something pisses you off. Angst=Lyrics...angsty ones, that is. A lot of my stuff is angsty. Angsty is fun to say.
Carry a notebook around for when you get bored in social studies. Some of my best stuff gets written in social studies or algebra.
Write everything that comes out of your head, and fix it later. It's good to get your ideas down so you don't forget them.
Don't limit yourself.
Don't get discouraged if what you write is ****. Keep going, ask a friend to make suggestions, and you may eventually mold it into something beautiful.
Mmmyep...

[theearlynovember2]

shguitar. What is wrong with jumping around genre's? I personally like it when a band does that. It keeps me interested in what they are doing more because you never really know what there next song is going to be like. You can say that about a 1 genre band too but the not knowing is so much greater in a multigenre band. I think you should stay as a multigenre band.

[gaslight]

Yeah... keep your sound varied and fresh, but always make sure people can identify it as your own unique sound.

[loxman]

try writing in a different perspective like I am reading the queen of the ****ed and I am in the process of writing a song in a vampires point of view its alot fun and has improved my writing skills a whole lot!

[gaslight]

Yeah, you can use writing to like, explore different situations and experiences.

[blackend_shadow]

do i have to tell moderators to **** off before i get kicked out

[shguitar]

go to the thread 'a quick thanks' to carry on this convo
cheers again

[Rolemodel123]

I have good lyrics in my opinion, but i can't ever seem to get a good melody out of them, they all sound the same. Does anyone have any tips for developing good melodies?

[darkfaze]

usually takes me weeks to write a song. sometimes people send me something they want lyrics for and I listen to it until something feels right. If it has a title, I use that for direction. (im not a signed pro or anything, this is all as fun and for friends). Other times, i get in a mood to write and think about recent or past emotions or situations. Sooner or later, something rises that has some sort of "meaning power" and I start to massage it, the idea, a linguist would call it a kernal - the germ of a thought or concept. At some point, if it works, the lyrics take off on their own or seem to. Later, I need to refine and fine tune things for meter and rhyme etc. Anyway, thats my writing style. Oh, general pain and suffering help quite abit. Not alot of songs about a dirty mercedes or bad caviar.

[shguitar]

how you all doin. will someone email me woth some tips on writin happier songs
oddball_88@hotmail.com
cheers in advance

[shguitar]

hey this isnt really the thread to be postin this on but oh well
i am an avid maiden fan and i own all albums and i own 6 of the 10 1st ten years cd collections
if you have any of the single cd's in the collection with the code: IRN7 IRN8 IRN9 or IRN10 please speak to me on msn messenger my email addy is oddball_88@hotmail.com

[gaslight]

Try posting that one in the pit, or the jam session, you'd definetly reach more people that way.

[gaslight]

*Bangs head on table.*

Serious writer's block going on here.

[blackend_shadow]

ive come up with a cure for writers block!!!

[gaslight]

I'll buy three... how much?

[blackend_shadow]

just £50 a dozen

[gaslight]

Hmm... what are they?

[joeyjojojnrshabadoa]

this is prbbly going off the subject a bit but can ne1 help me with writing music, i try to make it sound a bit different by using modes and different harmonies and stuff, but i cant seem to get a reely melodic thing going. this is especially with solos please help!!!

[gaslight]

First off, I love your name :D. It's hilarious when the guy next to them goes "Oh God!" and runs out crying. Class.

:lol:

Secondly, you might get better help in the Jam Session, or the forum for the instrument you play. I would help you, but I have the same problem :upset:.

[cruiservmi]

Heres a relatively helpful songwriting tip: Get your heart broken... :upset:

Its a pain, but it works.

[syurix]

^^^
True dat, emotional pain is always a good source. But you've gotta make sure you don't just write in skulls and candles territory.

[blackend_shadow]

everyone writes about getting their heart broken its gets to boring

[DrummerDan]

Is it better to write the song lyrics with your other band members or does this screw things up.? (too many cooks spoil the broth?)

[gaslight]

It depends really... on the band members and whatever.

If they want to throw in some input then let them, it's going to have to be something that the whole band likes, if you're going to be playing it a lot.

Just don't let them turn it into **** ;).

[DreadBoy]

i dont know if u guys are looking for this info but i wrote a five minute acoustic song months ago and i just recently joined a band. at a practice i started playing the song and my friend picked up this notebook with lyrics he wrote and it went 100% with the music i wrote. so i guess im saying that sometimes you cant even write lyrics for your own songs and working with others on originals is a HUGE plus.

[blackend_shadow]

the band im in doesnt like the style of lyrics that i write the guitrist prefers making bon jovi style lyrics!

i hate songs like bon jovi coming up with drumbeats is so boring

would it work if i beat him over the head with a metal pole until he was convinced he wanted to play sabbath and metallica style songs?

[penguinburn]

write it down as it comes up in your head. most of my songs start from just a word or a sentence in my head, and if i dont write it down then it doesnt continue on to be a song. plus youll forget.

[gaslight]

Yeah, penguinburn is damn right.

I lose lots of ideas like that :upset:.

[blackend_shadow]

can we have a thread where we can just talk to each other

because people might get into conversations but they arent allowed to keep going bacause its off topic

if this world was perfect would i be able to write love songs?

[philosoful]

thanks for all these tips theyre great but at the end of the day there arent any rules be original...

[bassist/guitaristorwhateva]

Hey i am a bassist and guiatrist and i really struggle to write songs both lyrically and musically

All my lyrics end up being about girls adn stuff i dotn see how bands like coldplay (v.good) mak eup random soundign songs

also i write little riffs etc. but i cant get them to fit them together although i know they are in the same key (usally b minor pentatonic)

cann anyone help me

[BlacklightGuitarist]

I'm no Chris Marten, but I've spent the last 3 years writing decidedly average-but-improving songs, and I'm hopefully beginning to know a little bit of what I'm talking about.

Coldplay is a type of music (obviously) and you won't learn to write like that by listening to Blink 182 and stuff that is all about girls.

I suggest listening to Coldplay heaps, and that sort of music, like Radiohead. I find most of Coldplay/Radiohead songs are actually more about an idea, and not about particular events, so think about things that correlate to or develop that idea, and tie it together to complete that thought.

[bassist/guitaristorwhateva]

Cheers mate i shall take that to mind and i shall have a go adn write and songs tonite

(got to get an idea??? no thats about a girl!!!)

[blackend_shadow]

coldplay suck!!!

listen to maiden and sabbth then make proper music!

[blackend_shadow]

can we have a word asociation thread

sorry about the spelling

[shrink]

i think, if your gonna write controversial lyrics, theres a fine difference between lyrics which are designed to shock and lyrics which are just plain stupid. It's kind of hard to explain what im getting at, but ach for example-

sum 41, some song i cant remember the name of- <i> 'Detectives said my mom should of had an abortion'

You shouldnt write controversial lyrics about yourself or similar because i think generally it just annoys people.

[drumm3rboy89]

how come under my name it says mx newbie??
how do i change that?

[blackend_shadow]

you go onto edit profile and it should be there but im not sure

[fire-at-will]

............

feeling creative but havnt got any ideas floating around in my poor achy head, or in the notebook i carry round

bah

[Kif]

Here's a question? Why are there so many IMPORTANT posts? It is a bit of a nuisense.

[blackend_shadow]

i often wonder that since some of them dont seem that important

[Lei]

Is there anyone out there who would be able to help me? I can write the lyrics but can't seem to get any ideas for the music. When i try it just sounds boring and repetitive of the same notes over and over again. Do you have any bright ideas? Please

[poisonhearted]

i dont know if you will get much help here. try another forum more directed towards musicianship. i think you have the wrong place.

[eyeda]

when i'm (trying) to write a song i just remember that it doesnt have to be the typical rhyming scheme (take propaghandi for example)

[theunnamedfeeling]

I'm a drummer who would like to contribute more to my band song whise, I know a little on guitar and I can use that on the bass, I have the equipment to write a song, but I don't know how, I get stuck on writing the lyrics, chords I'm fine on, but riffs not so good, I leave that up to my guitarist, can anyone help me?

[bassdoodle dude]

I can write lyrics pretty well i'm decent on that. The only problem is writing a song when all I have is my bass, can anyone help to figure out how to write music with bass? Email me at ElHooligan88@aol.com

[sublime4624]

hey...i am just starting out as a writer...and i have no trouble writing riffs and rhythms(most of the time) but alot of them are separate from each other, so i have alot of little pieces, but not many complete songs. anyone have a suggestion for me? also, in my lyric writing, i just started, and am having trouble finding a rhythm for some of my writing(which isnt very good in the first place) but also find it nearly impossible to write a hook. does anyone have any tips for me?
thanks alot

[blackend_shadow]

no tips for the lyrics but when you have lots of seperate guitar rifts pick 3 of them
pick one to be the verse
then change the one that would be a pre chrous/bridge (try and get it to sound a bit like a cross between them so the verse and chorus arent to different)
and finally use the rift that is left to be the chorus

if that helps great but if it doesnt ****!
(im not very good at advice)

[Kirk_Hammet]

hey rockers!!
i want to write a solo!! the song is written in e-dur!!
i don´t have experience with solowriting!! í have played
a lot of difficullt solos like One-Metallica etc. but now i am in my second band and i want to write an own solo can someone here tell me how i best write a solo??

[blackend_shadow]

i think the best way is to mess about until something sounds good then remember that bit mess around some more until you have something else that sounds good and finally between them bits add a bit with finger tapping (you should be able to do that if you can play one by metallica)

if you want 2 solos in a song then use the bit just before the finger tapping as a small solo then later do the whole thing


ps i have never tried to write a solo but thats how i got told to do it

[Kirk_Hammet]

thanks man!!
i think that the tapping isn´t a problem for me!!
when i have written that i can show you if you want!!

[blackend_shadow]

cool!

im trying to write a solo myself its for my fu,cking music coursework i hate it so much!!!

[Kirk_Hammet]

how long are you playing??
what equipment do you have??

[blackend_shadow]

ive got a squire guitar, a fender bass, and a drumkit that i have made from different brands

i think it should last about 4-5 miniutes

i need to get my band to play some of it cause the stupid teacher wont let me use the ****ing 8 track

how has your attempt at solo gone so far or have you not started it?

[Kirk_Hammet]

no i didn´t have started it!! maybe i will start in the next days!! now i´m learning santana-samba pa ti!! a great song!

[1thrice1]

i completely agree with lowridden.i love the dictionary and thesaurus,they are the greatest things ever.don't be ashamed 2 use them

[Sean700]

When you first write your songs do they look like a poem? That sounds a bit retarded but seriously ... do they have structure like a poem. Also is rhyme good and what is it good for, stylewise?

Sean

[Sean700]

Oh Yeah and im a bassist do you think i could use my bass to write the music cos i aint got no guitar

Sean

[stevethepunk87]

yeah its the same with me as it is for phetheant, i can write the lyrics but the music to it is a completely different problem, ghow do i get round this?

[THE DARKNESS ROCK]

i can write great bassline and build decent guitar parts to them (drummers can do their own stuff cause ive not got a clue how to play drums) for both my bands and solos but i cant put any lyrics to them, i can write lyrics fine i just cant get any topics, i tried a song about wiskey and that was fine but it wasnt what i wanted to write about but i cant think what i want to write about.

[Gastreet]

maybe this tips can be stupid... but nevetheless they work for me.

1 - first of all, carry a small pan always with you. If something rather interesting comes to your mind, you will write it anywhere and anyway even on your arm.

2 - not for all, but I can easyly write and very strange and unique lyrics when you are smoking some good things ;) when you are envelop with some plants and you write lyrics will be very interesting.

[blackend_shadow]

how would carrying a small pan help to remember lyrics?

[Rejekt]

hello my freinds are u inersed in geting payed to play drums if so just post an reply to this and hope i reply

[Jofus_the_Canadian]

I'm thinking that Gastreet was a little under the affluence of a lil somethin somethin when he wrote...small pan? Plus try to make sense of his last sentence after the smiley...Whatthe? Oh well...good on ya. Cheers.

[enydrummerboy]

JAM baby JAM

[gaslight]

Is Gastreet any relation to Gaslight?

It keeps confusing me :confused:.

[millerroyer]

someone give me topic(s) to write about. help!

[yardbird99]

ok i'm tryin to make a tune but like i need some help cuz there's only me the guitarist, but i need some bass and some drums but there's none to be found.......know wut i mean?

[yardbird99]

wait nevermind

[Broken Thoughts]

I've been writing lyrics since I was 6 years old. I have so many lyrics/poems, but I've never shared them with anyone till a week ago. I wrote a poem about my girlfriend, cause she was on my mind, and then later shared it with her. She thought it was amazing (she even cried) and pestered me to put it to music. So I told her I would try, but I never knew how hard that would be... until now. I'm only a novice guitar player. I've been playin off and on for 8 months. I've read the entire thread and have gotten a lot of cool ideas, but I still feel lost when I attempt to put the lyrics to music. I know some people say that you should write the music first, then the lyrics, but it's a little late for that. I need help, I really wanna play this song for her, help a guy out pleeeease!

PS- My two cents on writing, don't ever try forcing anything. Just write whatever comes out of your head, then try to make sense out of it afterwards. Even if it sounds like crap, just write it down so you can get to the next part, don't get hung up on something. Maybe later you will find a better way to express yourself and you can change it.

[mooseyfate]

Don't force yourself to write a song just because you want to. Inspiration will strike at the right moment. Forced songs can end up bad, not from the heart or with less 'personal touch'.

[mooseyfate]

^^ Woops I didn't know someone already mentioned what I wrote...sorry :)

[shaunyG]

g'day, this probably isnt the best convention to wrightin lyrics, but i try to start with a topic that comes to my head. then i elaberate on thet, i wright down everything i can think of about it and the filter out all the crap i dont want, and keep what i like. then i try to accually wright something, usually a poem, not a song, cuz with songs i sometimes think of the music aswell instead of the words.
then i try keep the flow, and try keep a pattern going and try developing a particular idea.
one of the main thing i make onte of is what kind of song i wanna wright, do i want a senario type song or a personal type song or even a rhymimg song.
anther thing i can say is dont sit down and try to think of something to wright about, because youll wright a mediocor song, and end up with a 'you beaute' job ( you beaute = half asses but good enought for now)
cheers

[kno_about_politricks]

The best way to write a song is just go through something that made you mad like a fight, cops, argument, break up or whatever but what works best for me is look at something horrible. I'm the singer and gutarist in a punk rock band and i write political lyrics so i just watch something from anti-sheep.com or i listen to Jello Biafra tracks or something like that and it gets me all emotional and i think i write pretty **** good for a punk song. The best way to put music to your song is get you band together and just mess around with your guitar, you'll think of something. If you don't have a band, and i know how hard that is, then just get someone temporary. I know that finding a bass player or drummer is no easy job. It's almost impossible since most people play the guitar. But that's only a small set-back. As long as you're well rounded in the bass, drums, and guitar then you should be good enough to teach friends how to play. My friend Bob and Nate can't play bass or drums for ****, but i taught them the little bit i knew and now they don't sound bad. It also helps to have a lot of practices. My band practices 3 times a week and we don't sound bad if you consider that we've only been together with the current members about a month. As long as you find a groove then you should be in good shape, just try not to get stuck always talking about the band, believe me they don't wanna hear it all the time, power chord hell, you've got a beautiful instrument in your hand, have fun with it, and don't be too bossy, no one's gonna listen to you or do what you tell them if you write everything and tell them what to do let them have freedom too. Other than that i think it's been covered by previous posters, so good luck and hopefully your band won't only sing about girls and death.

[\m/<(X_x)>\m/]

hey all, i bet this has been asked about 1 million times but i've been writing since i was 10 (im 13 now) and i've writting some pretty good songs (all Punk and Metal, not nu-metal or pop-punk though) i always write what comes from the heart like with girls or authority and Anti-War etc.. but the 1 thing i've always struggled on is metaphors i cant get my head around them and always end up with simple songs, could someone please explain what a metaphor is and maybe include some examples?

[\m/<(X_x)>\m/]

hey all, i bet this has been asked about 1 million times but i've been writing heaps for the last 7 or so months and i've writting some pretty good songs (all Punk and Metal, not nu-metal or pop-punk though) i always write what comes from the heart like with girls or authority and Anti-War etc.. but the 1 thing i've always struggled on is metaphors i cant get my head around them and always end up with simple songs, could someone please explain what a metaphor is and maybe include some examples?

[Leaves]

How do you find a vocal melody for music that's already written? Some of my favorite songs have vocal melodies that go in a completely different direction than the music (i.e. Radiohead). I always have trouble finding a good vocal melody...any tips? Thanks.

[poisonhearted]

Originally posted by \m/<(X_x)>\m/
hey all, i bet this has been asked about 1 million times but i've been writing heaps for the last 7 or so months and i've writting some pretty good songs (all Punk and Metal, not nu-metal or pop-punk though) i always write what comes from the heart like with girls or authority and Anti-War etc.. but the 1 thing i've always struggled on is metaphors i cant get my head around them and always end up with simple songs, could someone please explain what a metaphor is and maybe include some examples?

well basically a metaphor is a comparision between two unlike things saying that one thing is another. it is used to describes things in creative ways without it having its literal meaning. an example would be "the man is a beast". well we know that the man isnt literally a beast but it implys that he could be mean or he could big a strong guy. metaphors are just used to describe things in a non-literal way. to get better at metaphors it would be best to just try them out for yourself. the more you do it the more you will get better at it and be able to make more impactful lyrics/poetry. i hope that helped you out a bit.


andrew

[jln2xtreme]

I have a suggestion for everybody in the lyrics section. I think everybody should have to write what kind of song that they are posting is. People might get a better idea of what it sounds like. I know i do. People then would know if it is fast, slow, light, heavy etc. Its just a suggestion.

[catch_22]

i was wondering about the business side of writing. if youre an indie writer but have a lot of musical experience and background in the industry, about how much would a song sell for? and how much would just lyrics sell for? just looking for an estimate because i have no idea and ive always wondered

[gaslight]

I... don't know. :confused:

Good question.

[booforpoppunkexceptmxpx]

I've been writing songs for a long time, but I can't seem to come with any lyrics. Any advice?

[ozzy-super-fan]

i've just began songwriting, and i find the best way to get a good song is to find something that you feel real strongly about and start at that. its not something thats optional most times i find it hard to just write a song off the top of my head, i usually think of one when i'm out and about and try amd remember it until i get home and type up my ideas and thensome time when i'm in a good writing mood i'll take a look and have a go at finishing it.
well i more than likely just bored your senseless
dave

[ozzy-super-fan]

just make it up as your going along thats wot do just jam and think of the song until it starts to sound good, you need to be patient, thats wot i do anyway it works sometimes, i play guitar dunno wot you if it aint guiat then i dont have a slightest idea
sorry

[The Reflecting God]

Im a bassist and i play heavy metal and death metal mostly but i find it hard to write this style any tips????

[sven eigenhoffen]

i have no problem writing lyrics, or even writing riffs, but just liking the two sucks.

[sven eigenhoffen]

by liking i ment linking

[chunkeepoizun]

sven, when you write riffs, you need to look for even a half-second part of it that you want to put words in, then lengthen it, fill it up with lyrics
thatz wut i do

[bobarino]

Ok. Anybody have any good ideas for a wanna-be-decent acoustic player? I wanna write, but I don't know how to start. I just sit there and strum, but nothing goes good. If someone could just gimme a list from previous posts (I dont have the time to look them up myself) that would be great! Thx!

[Personal Safety: I Am Mine]

If I re-write lyrics to an artist's song and post it here, is that against the rules? I read the rules, but not quite sure...

[ColdFire]

Define "re-write"

[Personal Safety: I Am Mine]

Re-write as in totally (or half) re-write most lines in a song

[ColdFire]

If all the lines are different but the music is still the same you can post it here because msuci is not heard in text.

If you only rewrite half you have to quote what you stole or as I prefer to call it "borrowed."

[Personal Safety: I Am Mine]

Alright, thanks for that

[RiotMusicProductions]

i used to have the same problem; having good lyrics but not bein able to match them with good music, and vice versa. but if you sit down with your instrument, and just ''feel'' the lyrics and music.
after loads of practise, youll get it right. just practice!

[LaserSk8]

Being on acid always helps you come up with interesting lyrics, just listen the some of the beatles' old trippy shot on your moms old vinyl

[Michelle]

Here´s the best tip of them all:

Do only write when you have something to say...

[shadow_stalker]

WHAT THE **** IS GOING ON AROUND HERE?!?!?!

when i used this site last time i knew almost everyone now there is just a small bunch of wankers that i remember

i dont even remember the moderators for ****s sake!

[packerboarding21]

I was wondering how a drum part should fit with the guitar, bass, and vocal parts of a song. I can write decent parts for all of these instruments, but my main problem is getting the drums to fit with everything else.

[shadow_stalker]

start with a basic pattern like

hh/xxxxxxxxxxx
s/-o-o-o-o-o-o
bd/o-o-o-o-o-o-

(sorry its not very well typed)

then you add cymbals and move the drums around a bit

c/X------------------xxx
hh/---x-xxxx------------
s/---o----o------oo----
bd/oo--o---o-oo---ooo

ok that is really bad typing but you might get the idea so just get a basic beat and expand it

sorry if that doesn't help

[packerboarding21]

um........ ok, but is there a specific way a drum part should fit with the guitar, bass, and vocal parts of a song? I have no trouble making up drum beats, and I do usually use the method of expanding on a simple beat, but I've just had trouble making my drum/percussion parts to "mix in" with the rest of a song. Thanx for the help though.

[Syplo]

What i do is just take all the rhythms you know and play them to the song. Then after a while you'll see which ones accent the guitar parts the best. Sometimes you just have to screw around and hope you find something that flows. Kinda vague i know but try playing different stuff that you already know to the song and then modify it if need be.

[Fatal-Division]

if no one is critiquing a piece of work we post what can we do to get someone to crit it? perhaps in our crits plug it? no..that will make it so people crit horrible just to plug their own stuff...bump? I dunno..suggestions

[packerboarding21]

ok thanx Syplo:D

[JAZ]

Ok a fun game that can sometimes help your vocabulary. Is called psychobable at popcap.com.

[nimrodbassist]

The best way, I feel, to write songs...is to just get your own notebook just for your songs...dont just write them down on little bits of paper and leave the around. This way you can look through everything you've ever writen...good or bad and sometimes you can develop great idea's from ****ty songs you wrote years ago. And when you write...dont try and write like someone else because you like their music or whatever...just write what comes naturally

Another thing I'd like to say...if your out, in school, round your mates or wherever and you suddenly have a great line come into your head...then write it down there and then...keep it and it could turn out as something brilliant...dont be afraid of any ideas you have...they might sound bad at first but try and explore those ideas further

That's all the advice I can give anyone!

[werrrdo]

hey, you have to wait until something crazy happens, like someone broke up with you, or you started being suicidal, or you feel you have phsycic abilities, or, well just anything. You sometimes have to wait for more lyrics, and sometimes its an hour, or a day, or a week. Yeah, so you just have to wait, and still be crazy with it, but make it flow. and if you have problems with putting music to your lyrics, do it word for word, and make it flow. well thats all i have to say

[packerboarding21]

Does anyone know some good chord progressions to use in rock music? I know the standard I, IV, V, but that's more for pop, country, and stuff like that.

[blackend_shadow]

the only chord i use is the power chord he rest of the time it's just a case of play on any fret and string until something sounds good

[BlackStratMatt]

be aware of the meaning of your song...in otherwords, always be ready to explain your song...whether it has meaning or not

(John lennon insisted Lucy in th sky with diamonds, was not about LSD, but a picture his son Julian drew that showed his school pal, lucy, flying in the sky with diamonds....Was this the real meaning? or a clever way to avoid bad publicity?)

That is really a good point, in the 60's people like Bob Dylan and John Lennon used to write tracks in metaphors like this to avoid persecution. Well picked up!

[Autumn In April]

Hello :).

Try to write in styles you may not be accustomed to, and read/listen to styles of that nature. You can pick little things up that you can bring into your style.

Don't limit yourself to song lyrics for this either, seeing as lyrics on their own are essentially poetry, look at poetry from various sources and see if you can take anything from it that would be beneficial to your songwriting.

Anyway...

Bye.

:wave:

[iniertiatic jpc]

if anyone needs any inspiration to writing lyrics, i suggest reading (probably work best while also listening) to The mars volta, particularly de-loused in the comatorium.

[bigf'nbird]

To the guy wonderin about letting band mates help write songs....if you are in a band and everybody is wanting in on the songwriting, the best direction to go is to let everybody use anything they want, as long as it is meaningful. Like...a song about ****ting your pants isn't going to fly if I am the lead singer and the drummer wrote it, wanting me to sing it. But the band I am sort of starting has 2 really good song writers in it at the moment, and if my lazy friend gets around to drumming, we will have 3 songwriters, all with different styles of writing...I am usually mellow, I am metaphorical and my songs meanings usually lie a little deeper than most...while the other writes heavy, hard rock lyrics, and the meanings blow the door open. It isn't bad to use everybodies style...it can only help your listening base, more people will be interested if you appeal to more people. Just try and find creative ways to blend your lyrics with their music, and their lyrics with your singing/music, and so on...it will work just fine :)

[Fatal-Division]

How can I entice people to read a piece of work I made without breaking the rules of the forums (here is an attempt) its called btw, Strenght of One ....its long but please I beg of you crit it..it needs critique because I like it...I want it to be better( De-Loused is amazing...)

[ChordlessInCanada]

ok i dont have any problems writting lyrics or good guitar riffs and picking. my big problem is coming up with chords to use in my songs, i think im just trying to over complicate my songs but i dunno. anyone who can help me out?

[I have a Dagger]

Well, establish the basics. Is it a more upbeat song? use regular open chords, but if its more moody, dark, emo, Minor chords are the way to go. Over-complicating stuff isn't good, And with rhythm and decent chord knowledge, and a good knowledge of how to get the tone you want, you can create a simple song that sound great. Things like hammer-ons, pull offs, and string bends, add to it a great deal.

[LyricBuster]

i really dont think anyone should sit down and think "Im only going to write about my feeling" or "Im only going to write about History" etc etc, I think its important that you sit down and decide what mood your in on that day, for instance the first song i wrote was a bout a week ago, id just had some trouble of the female side (*COUGH*) and i was talking to my frined on the Internet and he asked me if i was ok and was trying to make me laugh so i just typed in the Line "Im Laughing through the Tears" and that line just hit me like a Hammer to the head, i thought "Thats how im feeling at the moment thats what ill write about" because id had major wroters block every other time id tried to write now im putting out about 2 a night, I find it easier to write about Fantasy and History cause im a Major Iron Maiden fan and its the type of Music im used to but i dont limit myself to that type, Ive wrote songs about Politicians, Love, The Illuminati, War, Prophecys from God,Men dying on the Battlefield, Soldiers returning home to find loved ones dead, Just expand your writing

[Insert]

I'm not sure if I placed it the right place, but I have question:
I play in a melodic melancholy band with our own songs. And we need some rock songs since all of our song are quite stoned. Since our singer only makes stoner song he has asked me to make rockier songs. I'm quite good at making small intros, but my greatest problem is to follow up with some chord structures, i suck at that. I wondered if anyone has some strutures that would be good to use for vers or chorus. In D or A Major or anything. Lyric and melodic wise there's no problem, nor solo.

[Edit] By the way I have played guitar for lots of years but only blues, so it's kinda new for me making this form for music, so give me all your help

[blackend_shadow]

I'm not sure if I placed it the right place, but I have question:
I play in a melodic melancholy band with our own songs. And we need some rock songs since all of our song are quite stoned. Since our singer only makes stoner song he has asked me to make rockier songs. I'm quite good at making small intros, but my greatest problem is to follow up with some chord structures, i suck at that. I wondered if anyone has some strutures that would be good to use for vers or chorus. In D or A Major or anything. Lyric and melodic wise there's no problem, nor solo.

[Edit] By the way I have played guitar for lots of years but only blues, so it's kinda new for me making this form for music, so give me all your help


listen to other rock songs and get ideas of what kind of chords you should use or failing that don't use any chord but the power chord and the rest of the time play any string on any fret until something sounds good...i'm sure i just said that before!

[fatginadrummer]

dont get caught up in writing dark twisted imagery (unless thats truly who you are) write what comes from the heart and soul....

also, dont use words you dont know the meaning to...
shut up you dumb**** EVERYONE IGNORE THIS RETARD WRITE ABOUT THE END OF THE WORLD OR SOME EVIL **** LIKE THAT

[blackend_shadow]

why not just write about the end of the world and that sort of stuff if you want to and if you don't want to then don't! no one has the right to tell others what they write about

so why don't you just shut the **** up fatginadrummer!

[strangled truth]

First of all This thread was kinda long so I didn't read it all...
(so if I say stuff that's already been said, then I'm sorry...)

But I think reading of books and stuff helps to get a bigger vocabulary and those are great for methaphores and stuff...
Also the use of paradoxes help me writng too..
And a big help is also to listen to lots of different kinds of music...

Oh yeah the biggest tip I read on here, was don't limit yourself by wanting to write a song!!!

(cause i had once i wanted to do so with a few words stuck in my head, but that was in the end more a sort of story/legend instead of a song..)





ps. Hi to everyone.. :wave:

[i_kill_mods]

HI... I really need some help. Like most of the other people inhere, I seem to have problem with writing songs. The worst part is that i used to be OK at it, but now I just can't anymore. For example this was one of the last things I wrote before I gave up:I don’t wanna write a lovesong, don’t wanna sing about girls, or do I?? I dunno
I dunno why I’m writing this, should I just stop?? Naaahhh don’t really wanna Maybe I should throw in a couple of Oi!’s OI! OI! OI! Maybe just one more.. Or maybe even some heps hephephep
Come-on sing-a-long, sing-a-long to this stupid song. It’s not deep, doesn’t have a theme, This song is never gonna be main-stream. I can yell some words like: ****, SUCK ****!!! My god this song is a waste of paper, it’s a waste of time.

SERIOUSLY THIS SUCKS... somebody please tell me how to get inspiration..

[blackend_shadow]

HI... I really need some help. Like most of the other people inhere, I seem to have problem with writing songs. The worst part is that i used to be OK at it, but now I just can't anymore. For example this was one of the last things I wrote before I gave up:I don’t wanna write a lovesong, don’t wanna sing about girls, or do I?? I dunno
I dunno why I’m writing this, should I just stop?? Naaahhh don’t really wanna Maybe I should throw in a couple of Oi!’s OI! OI! OI! Maybe just one more.. Or maybe even some heps hephephep
Come-on sing-a-long, sing-a-long to this stupid song. It’s not deep, doesn’t have a theme, This song is never gonna be main-stream. I can yell some words like: ****, SUCK ****!!! My god this song is a waste of paper, it’s a waste of time.

SERIOUSLY THIS SUCKS... somebody please tell me how to get inspiration..

well you have just scared me out of writing another song for as long as i live

you are right that does suck but i will try to help in my infinite wisdom and knowledge, just listen to other peoples music until you get inspired or read hrough you're old lyrics to try and get a idea of what used to inspire you

failing that post another one of these until someone helps and says something useful instead of this crap i'm saying...i'm confused!

[DeadRinger]

ive a question , is it important that your lyrics have the same feeling than your music: for example can you write a metal song with the text of britney spears that goes about love? i know its a stupid idea but i couldnt find something better

[DeadRinger]

well i think thx to al these messages in here that ive finally made my first (good) lyric, i asked to some guys to read it and they found it was really good. sow thx to the people who put some tips in here!

[xRUNINGxEYELESSx]

sorry if this has already been mentioned (i really didn't want to look through 21 pages of this post) but anyway. After you finish writing something, don't go back and change it. The only things you should change are mispelled words, etc. Never change the material, b/c what you wrote is what you were feeling at the time.

[epifreak2002]

This kind of goes back to the "all depression all the time gets boring" thing, but here goes. My humble guide on writing dumped songs:

Getting dumped can be traumatic, and it can result in a great deal of bitterness. Above all, show very little of this! You don't have to make it completely stotic, but avoid bitterness like the plauge. Bitterness just makes you sound immature and whiny. How many times have you heard a bitter, angry dumped song on the radio and wanted to slap the singer and tell him to shut up? This is what you want to avoid.

Some good examples of these song types are as follows:
KISS- I Still Love You
You tell me that you're leaving, and I try to understand. I had myself believing, I could take it like a man, but if you gotta go, then you gotta know, that it's killing me. It hurts so much that you're telling me goodbye; I gotta make you see..... I still love you (repeat)
This song starts out with what seems like a brave attempt to take the pain "like a man." It expresses pain but avoids the trap of anger.

Green Day: Good Riddance/ Time of Your Life
I shouldn't need to post lyrics to this. You all know how it goes. The only bitter element in this song is the title, and when you read the lyrics, they express acceptance, which seems to emphasize the pain that must have been felt. From this, you can conclude that the persona (Is this song from personal experience?) must have felt intense pain but is willing to put that behind him and wish his ex the best.

I hope this helps.

[blackend_shadow]

ive a question , is it important that your lyrics have the same feeling than your music: for example can you write a metal song with the text of britney spears that goes about love? i know its a stupid idea but i couldnt find something better

i would think that it's quite important for them to have the same feeling pop and metal don't mix very well, if you make music then put pop lyrics to it, it probably becomes a punk rock song and lets face it punk rock is just a mix of **** rock/metal riffs and pop lyrics

[blackend_shadow]

sorry if this has already been mentioned (i really didn't want to look through 21 pages of this post) but anyway. After you finish writing something, don't go back and change it. The only things you should change are mispelled words, etc. Never change the material, b/c what you wrote is what you were feeling at the time.

unless there is definatly something wrong with your songs i wouldn't change it if you do it could get very messed up and not sound right but it is just common sense to go through and change spelling mistakes

[$t0n3r]

I've got a problem with writing lyrics, i just dont know what to write, most of the stuff i try and do ends up being about how much i hate people at school or something like that, and I cant really make meaningful lyrics. Any hints would be great.

[craigmac]

*is knew here*

i dont know if someone's already said this, but dont just stick to one genre of writing. write everything from poems that would suit theater musicals such as the sound of music, to something that would go well in a tool song or in a eminem song.

i personally think that eminem is a great lyricist, and ive learnt small things from him, but still, they've been important.

i however, am not smart enough to interperate them into words to teach you. :p sorry.

[blackend_shadow]

i hate eminem but he is a great lyricist he's one of the only rap artists who write decent lyrics

[Photophobic]

Does anybody have any tips on writing heavy metal lyrics, like Maiden or some of metallica, which are often based around Fantasy, superstitiuon, religion and belief? Also, any tips on basing a song on a book/film/poem?

[joshmilliken2001]

Here's my tip, nevr force the lyrics, let inspiration come to you. When you see bad lyrics from someone it's normally because they were trying too hard. Bands that you mention write that way from inspiration, like they read a book on something and it just happened to inspire a song they wrote, or watched a movie and some line in the movie triggered them to write something.

[Photophobic]

good point, thank you

[KurtCobain2902]

I have an acoustic guitar, can I still write punk songs on it?

[joshmilliken2001]

Yeah, why couldn't you, a guitar is a guitar. Write what you wanna write how you want to write it. Hell I play hard rock on my acoustic.

[SonorKen]

I'll give you one of the best tips you will probably ever hear for writing lyrics and songs. Buy a small pocket sized leather blank binder. I stress leather due to the wear and tear you will put on it and the paper backed ones I have had in the past has tore beyond use. Carry this with you at all times. Anytime something happens that impacts you, good or bad write it down. Think of a topic of a song you would like to write, write the topin at the top of the page and as thoughts, emotions and ideas come to you write them under that topic. Remember to leave several empty pages behind each topic.

I don't know if this has been posted before, Im sure it has. This has helped me so many times its amazing. The only thing I can add is keep it current, try to write about things that are emotional or has an impact on you right now. I find it boring to read lyrics that people wrote 5 years ago and don't mean the same thing to them now as it did then. Anyway, this is a little something I do that helps me. Later SFK.

[joshmilliken2001]

Yeah, I never go anywere without paper and a pen to write stuff down. I used to but I always had good ideas and would forget then by the time I would get home.

[SonorKen]

Whats funny is some of my friends who write are always complaining about having great ideas and always forgetting them. I have told them time and time again to keep a journal and they never do! SFK.

[blackrabbit]

when i try to write stuff, i come up with something that i think is great, just to realize later that it is "stolen" from a song...

[joshmilliken2001]

That happens on occasion, but when you do that keep playing with that idea that got it started and keep going with it until it's not a part that's stolen from another song.

[FBI-Drummer]

i always get great i deas for song, get a chorus and then write a verse that completely misses the point, but its like the best verse ever. what should i do???

[joshmilliken2001]

Use it for the start of another song.

[FBI-Drummer]

you answered that well, but how about this:

I get a song started, and i get everything good, tune and everything, but i cant seem to remeber for more than a few hours. I cant afford a recorder, so what should i do?


Also, we have a band all together, and our name is Black Hole 13. So far we have 2 guitars, a bass, and me, the drummer. We all live a while away from each other, and we cant practice a lot. Any suggestions to practicing together?


1 more thing:

i get good ideas for songs and not all of them are angst, but the ones that are rock, and the ones that arent i cant get completed. Should i combine angst and non-angst, or should i combine non and non?

Thanks!!! <(^_^)> <(^_^<) (>^_^)> <( )( )> :lol: :lol: :D

[joshmilliken2001]

you answered that well, but how about this:

I get a song started, and i get everything good, tune and everything, but i cant seem to remeber for more than a few hours. I cant afford a recorder, so what should i do?


Also, we have a band all together, and our name is Black Hole 13. So far we have 2 guitars, a bass, and me, the drummer. We all live a while away from each other, and we cant practice a lot. Any suggestions to practicing together?


1 more thing:

i get good ideas for songs and not all of them are angst, but the ones that are rock, and the ones that arent i cant get completed. Should i combine angst and non-angst, or should i combine non and non?


Ok, you need to tab it out as you write it, and a simple recorder is only like $30.00 max, or since you have a computer you could download any number of recording programs and can record onto your computer.

Ok, on the practice thing, you don't have to have everyone at every practice, practice with who you have on the given night it can never hurt to practice more. And have everyone practice by themselves as much as they can.

If it makes sense if you try them together then go for it, the worst that can happen is it sounds bad and you put it back the way it was before.

[FBI-Drummer]

You ARE good at this! thanks, and one thing:

are there any sites you can recommend that have free recorder downloads?

[joshmilliken2001]

I don't know of any sites, but I got Cool Edit Pro and it works pretty good.

[FBI-Drummer]

since you're really good, could you crit my song called Rewind? its the thread called New Song~Please crit.


and, what kind of mic. do u need for your comp to record?

[joshmilliken2001]

Actually you can get an adaptor to plug right into the microphone input on your computer with your guitar or microphone that you would use normally.

[ron19]

Hey, ne one withne ideas out there, would they like to hepl me out. Im a punk guitar player and i need some tips on writing music

just sit with your guitar and play around... usually works for me!

[ron19]

ive a question , is it important that your lyrics have the same feeling than your music: for example can you write a metal song with the text of britney spears that goes about love? i know its a stupid idea but i couldnt find something better

music should go with the lyrics to paint the correct piture in the listener's mind....

[ron19]

I've got a problem with writing lyrics, i just dont know what to write, most of the stuff i try and do ends up being about how much i hate people at school or something like that, and I cant really make meaningful lyrics. Any hints would be great.


I'm no great writer but I'd advise you to write what you know and if that happens to be assholes in school... write about it...

[blackend_shadow]

I'm no great writer but I'd advise you to write what you know and if that happens to be assholes in school... write about it...

you sound like your saying write about it or i'll beat the **** out of you! :angry:

[hands_down21]

I need help on 2 things...i need help on writing lyrics for songs...and singing...if anyone has any suggestions..feel free to help....it would be greatly appreciated...u can even email me if u want....krazy_dude21@hotmail.com..thanx..

[joshmilliken2001]

Well, I can't give you any tips on singing since I'm not any good at it myself, but just write what you're feeling a few times and put it into a format and you'll teach yourself how to write lyrics.

[hands_down21]

Ok..thanx...ill give that a try..i got another question....or what ever....i need sum advice or help on starting....i can sit for HRS and think and come up w/ nothin....i need sum tips on how to get started...any suggestions??

[joshmilliken2001]

It's a lot easier if you're angry about something, just write down what you're angry about and how it's making you angry and what you wanna do about it or what you think about it. Easy way to get angry, have someone smack you real hard in the face, then don't say anything just go sit in a room with no distarctions and write, focus your anger on the words you're putting onto the paper.

[hands_down21]

dude...thats awesome....UR awesome...thanx...

[domheath]

same here. i can easily write words and have lots of inspiration but im not sure how to apply lyrics to songs and how to fit things round each other...

[domheath]

...oh and me and my band did some jamming and now we've ended up with a disco style thingy. does anyone have any tips on how to write disco lyrics?...the funkier the better.. ;-)

[hands_down21]

What if i dont want 2 write all of our songs about anger...what if i wanna write bout other things...like..i dunno right now...but...could someon give me some advice on how to write those lyrics and how to get started??...

[FBI-Drummer]

well, from what i've heard and experienced, the best thigs to do are as follow:


1. keep a notepad and pen/pencil with you at all times, andwhenever you have an idea, right it down.

2. whenever you feel something, right it down. after all, not everyhting you feel is angriness.

3. sit in your room, and think of personal experiences you've had, and write about them. something'll come up.

4. if you play guitar, sit on a couch and play for a while and hum along with it, but dont sing exactly what you're playing, try to go higher and lower, and you'll find a tune or 2 and some lyrics with it.

5.keep a notepad under your pillow, and whenever you're laying in bed and you think of something, write it down.

6. usually you want to finish a song before going on to another, that way, you dont forget or get off track. a LOT of my best songs have gone to waste by gorgetting about what i was writing about.

7.not many people wanna hear swearing in the songs here, and they just skip them, so stay away from swearwords.



it's a lot, but there is 22 pages of advice, so if i missed something, go ahead and correct me.


peace out! :cool:

[hands_down21]

awesome advice....i think that will help me alot....at least i hope so..thanx..

[packerboarding21]

what time signatures are good to use in rock music? im getting really sick of writing in common time only.

[dxl]

i have a question: why do you all suck?

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[packerboarding21]

what the hell? ok, so can anyone help me out here?

[joshmilliken2001]

Use any time signature you want to use, that's the whole idea behind rock and roll is doing what you wanna do.

[R$$]

The best advice any one can give you is inspiration. Love, hate a tragic break up with the love of your life or the happestest day of your life. there are many diffrent things that can give inspiration, the skills knowing what to look for.

Hail satan....

[packerboarding21]

but common time is used a lot more often in rock music than any other time signature, is that just because its easier to use or because its actually better to use in rock than other time signatures?

[joshmilliken2001]

It's because most people aren't bold enough to give a it a try. When someone tries something new they are usually worried about how people will react to it and may decide not to try it. And some bands do try it and are very successful, I hear that Soundgarden uses some odd time signtures, and I'm pretty sure Boy Hits Car does too. It's in how you write and how you wanna do it.

[packerboarding21]

ok, thats all i was wondering about, thanx a lot dude

[ron19]

I need help on 2 things...i need help on writing lyrics for songs...and singing...if anyone has any suggestions..feel free to help....it would be greatly appreciated...u can even email me if u want....krazy_dude21@hotmail.com..thanx..


well im no great writer but write about what you know, get a thesaurus and study lyrics by some of the bands you like.keep it simple at first... singing, check out this site, its got great free lessons and softwre etc. vocalist.org.uk :thumb:

[ron19]

you sound like your saying write about it or i'll beat the **** out of you! :angry:


no man hahaha... im just sayin write what you know about... maybe you could read lyrics by some of your fav bands for inspiration... works for me... :thumb:

[quikguitarist88]

look.. im just starting out as a guitarist.. and i dont get like all thoes chord progression things... wanna gimme some advice?

[hands_down21]

Hey i was readin this tab..and im kinda confused on this one part..it has...2.7^...what the heck does that mean??...help...

[blackend_shadow]

is it a guitar tab?

[hands_down21]

yup...its a guitar tab for Creed actually...it confused me big time...

[blackend_shadow]

i know what it means i just cant think of it

[hands_down21]

really..dang..well i hope u think if it..bc its confusin me and its botherin bc its like the coolest part in tha song....

[Squire]

this is a great site for rhyming
http://www.rhymer.com/

[MEAGS]

i need some advice on lyrics for a nice song i have wrote. I have no problem commin up with riffs, and i have made this really nice song, but dont know where to start lyrics wise. Its really soft song, like nothing else matters by metallica(if uve heard that). Once i get a topic for the lyrics im away, but i cant seem to get anything down, can u please help, thanks, andy

Hi well firstly whatever your interested in (for me girls and music) pretty broad so i knwo what you mean when you say it's hard to write songs. however you do not need to experience something in order to write about it. whatever makes you pissed off or feel good write it down. anything you think about write it down. nothing you write down will suck it will just need to be in a different structure. hope i could help a little bit. CHEERS :chug:

[blackend_shadow]

is it possible to have sub-threads so we can just make like a thread each and have sub-threads in there with songs and crap in

just wondering

[LupineMitch69]

The best way of writing lyrics is to first find out what kind of songs you're good at writing.

I've wrote quite a lot of songs about many different things,like personal experiences,made up things,and some humorous songs too.

for example I've wrote a song about my dead brother(personal experience),
a song about getting dumped and then killing myself(obviously made up)and
ones about a necrophile and a prostitute(humorous if ur sick like me)!

My best song was one that I wrote about a girl I liked and I gave it to her and now she's my beautiful girlfriend.ahh the power of music is truly great!

So my advice is to write lotsa songs about different things and see which ones suit you the most :chug: cheers people

[drummer_182_41]

Im not sure if this is the right place for this question but ill try anyway, well my band is playing a gig in less then a month and thats no problem for our music, its just the lyrics we havent really had the chance to practise much at all, is this going to be a problem? were going to practise everyday and im just wondering if you think we will be alright? Thanks anyway.

[quikguitarist88]

who let the dogs out? i always wanted to know......

[quikguitarist88]

seriously... who let the dogs out?? who?

[hitchface2001]

I did.

[Phiw]

can ne 1 help me im really stuck wit tryin 2 cum up with ideas 4 songs and how to put that in2 a song

[Phiw]

can sum 1 also giv me ideas of how 2 cum up wit a kick *** tune

[joshmilliken2001]

Just play around with a few chords, that's what I do all the time.

[Farbio]

Work work work HARD!!!!!!!

[IPlayItAll]

Has any one got any tips for writing lyrics. I have done quite a few but they just dont sound right

[jjmu20]

any help plz

[MetalMilitiaMan]

all this info helps alot . .. its very interesting :)

[blackend_shadow]

Im not sure if this is the right place for this question but ill try anyway, well my band is playing a gig in less then a month and thats no problem for our music, its just the lyrics we havent really had the chance to practise much at all, is this going to be a problem? were going to practise everyday and im just wondering if you think we will be alright? Thanks anyway.


you should be ok as long as you practice enough

[blackend_shadow]

really..dang..well i hope u think if it..bc its confusin me and its botherin bc its like the coolest part in tha song....


i cant think of it!!!

god **** it im getting really annoyed :angry:

[mattydaman29]

Im not sure if this is the right place for this question but ill try anyway, well my band is playing a gig in less then a month and thats no problem for our music, its just the lyrics we havent really had the chance to practise much at all, is this going to be a problem? were going to practise everyday and im just wondering if you think we will be alright? Thanks anyway.

I'm sure you'll be fine. If you play good enough music then people wont be bothered by the lyrics. If you're practising everyday you can't go wrong really. I wouldn't worry too much about it if I were you. :thumb:

[gaslight]

is it possible to have sub-threads so we can just make like a thread each and have sub-threads in there with songs and crap in

just wondering

You mean like say, a personal thread were you post all your songs? And then people crit them in there?

[jjmu20]

When writing have a picture in ur head about what u want 2 write about and this makes it easier
put the picture into words

as they say a picture says a thousand words and putting a picture 2 lyrics is much easier

[blackend_shadow]

You mean like say, a personal thread were you post all your songs? And then people crit them in there?


yeah basically

[Phoenix_2003]

Hey. I have writen a beastly intro and think i have got a decent main verse riff and just about to start writing lyrics. Thanks for the tips ^^^ and will tell you how it goes.

[gaslight]

yeah basically

I think that is a very cool idea actually. Maybe a main thread of yours, where you write a bit about yourself and sht like that, what kind of lyrics you write and stuff, and it can have links in it to your song threads? Kind of like a homepage thread.

[blackend_shadow]

I think that is a very cool idea actually. Maybe a main thread of yours, where you write a bit about yourself and sht like that, what kind of lyrics you write and stuff, and it can have links in it to your song threads? Kind of like a homepage thread.


it would be very good but the newbies would still post about 50 personal threads a day each


hey gaslight i havent seen you on the songwriting forum for a while

[gaslight]

Yeah I have not had anything to contribute for ages, like in any capacity. So I took a break for a while.

[shadow_stalker]

Yeah I have not had anything to contribute for ages, like in any capacity. So I took a break for a while.


ok fair enough

[hands_down21]

did ANYone ever figure out what 2.7^ or 2.5 means?? on a guitar tab??...this may not be the place for that..but i still wanna know what it means......

[RockerGav]

Okay, I assume this would be the right place to post my question:

I write the music for most of my bands songs, and no-one is coming up with lyrics for my songs, so I'm trying to come up with words for them myself.

The problem is, I can't seem to come up with any topics for writing about.

I'm in a top English class, so embellishing on ideas shouldn't be incredibly hard, but I need something to write aobut.

I know this question is really n00b-ish and you guys must get sick of idiots like me, but if you could try and help I would be very grateful.

Thanks in advance :)

EDIT: We are a hard rock / punkish rock/ metal band.

[label_kills305]

i need some help, i can usually write the lyrics but i need some topics to write about. any ideas?

[label_kills305]

just asking but is sad down songs the only thing anyone on here write about? come on gemmy somthin to write about. can anyone help me?

[shadow_stalker]

Okay, I assume this would be the right place to post my question:

I write the music for most of my bands songs, and no-one is coming up with lyrics for my songs, so I'm trying to come up with words for them myself.

The problem is, I can't seem to come up with any topics for writing about.

I'm in a top English class, so embellishing on ideas shouldn't be incredibly hard, but I need something to write aobut.

I know this question is really n00b-ish and you guys must get sick of idiots like me, but if you could try and help I would be very grateful.

Thanks in advance :)

EDIT: We are a hard rock / punkish rock/ metal band.


you could write about things like pain, despair, hate, love (nooooooo), death and more stuff like that

[shadow_stalker]

i need some help, i can usually write the lyrics but i need some topics to write about. any ideas?


same advice as i gave the other person hate pain love (again noooooooooo) heartbrake and other crap like that

[shadow_stalker]

just asking but is sad down songs the only thing anyone on here write about? come on gemmy somthin to write about. can anyone help me?

people on here can write about other things its just sad songs are alot eaier and meaningful

[noleafedclover]

good songs take practice. ive been writing for well over a year now and its only recently that ive been able to write songs that i am completely happy with

[creepycaper07]

ive just started writing lyrics/poetry and what i think is bad other people think is good. i guess im happy with that but i hope i will be able to write stuff i like in a while.

and for all those people who dont know what to write about just write about stuff you do like you could even write a song about writing lyrics but it would probably sound stupid

[mattarthur]

the only key to writing is to not try. as soon as you try you're ****ed.

[quikguitarist88]

thats good advice... and its true, cuz writing is mostly stuff that u come up with while things happen to u or when ur thinking about stuff thats happened to u, u cant just make up some lyrics cuz then its not meaningful.. good lyrics come from the heart, not from the head

[Johnny Barger]

anyone got any advice for learning to sing while playing coz thats my only problem(i play bass if that matters)

[packerboarding21]

^practice? :naughty:

[MrMagic9345]

When I go to write songs, i have no trouble with lyrics. but i cant make up music for them, it sucks. I need help/ tips/ anything!

[MrMagic9345]

:upset: :smash:

[kickflipskaterguitarist]

usually i write the music first, then write lyrics that fit the music. I find it alot harder the other way around. If you have already got the lyrics,then find first of all the beat of the lyrics, and right the key and style acording to wether the song is happy, or sad(use minor key for sad)